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PTBP (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183551)

Pulling The Butt Plug

First post?!?!? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183553)

In that case, I'd like to ask you a related question. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't want to fuck my mother but I do dearly want to hide my salami in my hot 16-year old sister. The problem is that I am a 24-year old virgin and, in spite of being quite a neighbourhood slut, she's probably not too keen on having an incestious relationship with her brother. We both still live with our parents, so that's another complication. How would you suggest I approach her and get her consent?

Thanks.

Re:First post?!?!? (-1, Offtopic)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183566)

Didn't you just post this same comment to the TTT thread?

I smell a bot, or a llama.

Re:First post?!?!? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183595)

YOU are not allowed to be FUNNY HERE. SO WILL RUSH IN THE CABAL OF COMMUNIST FUCKING MODERATORS TO SILENCE YOUR HUMOR.
This is just another example of spineless crap moderation here on /.

Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Pinochet, Mussolini, Marshall Joseph Tito, Slobodan Milosevic, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi, Juan Peron, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ferdinand Marcos, General Suharto, Pol Pot, Fransisco Franco, and certainly the worst of the bunch, SLASHDOT's editing/moderating [read: censoring] "community"(*) ALL AGREE on ONE THING:

CENSORSHIP WORKS!

(*)Note, the word community used often on Slashdot, this is referring to a proto communist commune.

So, you busy little plebian proletariats, get busy, you have some censoring to do! FUN!

Good job you little neo-commies. Don't want to hear the other side, shoot the fucker in the head as an ENEMY OF THE STATE [In this case anyone who seeks to improve the sad state of /.].

I have a Gun and the Constitution [Not the urinated-on pissed-on hacked fucked up one WashingTOON thinks exists, I mean the real one, with Jefferson and Madison at my side], please, give me an excuse to use them both.

A few haikus to commemorate the sucktitude:
Crack Pipe Moderators
Crack smoke wafts though air
Dumb shit moderator!
Try to suck less, please

The Humorless Moderator
Crack smoke wafts through air
Humorless moderator!
Why do you hate me?

The Proletariat
Slashdotting Commie
Moderator fears new idea!
Censor him quickly

The reason China blocked Slashdot is that when Jiang Xemin saw at how good "The Editors" at Slashdot are at suppressing the community, he knew that if more of his party members saw this degree of suppressive efficacy, he would be deposed, for the good of the people, of course, in favor of Rob Malda as the all new supreme dictator and premier of China.

SAYINGS, quips et al:

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. - Sir Winston Churchill (Especially when your democratic peers twist democracy into a reason commit cencorship, to squash dissenting or unpopular opinions, and refer to them as trolls, flaimbait overrated or offtopic when they aren't any of the said)

A monarchy is a merchantman which sails well, but will sometimes strike on a rock, and go to the bottom; a republic is a raft which will never sink, but then your feet are always in the water. - Fisher Ames

Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. - H. L. Mencken.

Democracy: The substitution of election by the incompetent many for appointment by the corrupt few. - George Bernard Shaw.

The reason there are two senators for each state is so that one can be the designated driver. - Jay Leno.

The Constitution poses no threat to our current form of governement. (Death to those who defile the root documents of a free nation to make economic freedom Supercede Freedom! Freedom First! Free market Second!)

Occam's Razor "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily." "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" "Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora" "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" Translation: " "Simple explanations are preferred to complex ones" Modern fucking translation "JUST DO IT."

Reading Slashdot at anything above -1 is like trying to put a shit filter on your ass.

Get busy moderating this down, you little pack of obedient prefects of the corrupt state! You are the vanguards of purity, and dissent is not allowed!

Re:First post?!?!? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183660)

pussy fucking moderator used underrated. what a pussy. nameless faceless heartless totalitarian fascist moderator, you legislate your opinion of what is good on others and that makes me sick

Re:First post?!?!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183829)

Using Underared or Overrated to avoid M2 hasn't worked for nearly a year. Besides, whats the little bitch whining about? I can still read his post, even when its at -1. That ain't censorship, the silly little fucktard.

Re:First post?!?!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183599)

Yes I did.

I'm desperate.

What's a llama?

Re:First post?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183584)

I would have to say GHB would be your best bet. If your sister's the town bike you say she is, you could probably score some ghb, some alcohol, and have a little party while your folks are out of town!

Re:First post?!?!? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183589)

That's obvious, you'll have to bash in her head with a brick first.

Re:First post?!?!? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184347)

Let's see... you're 24, she's 16.

Buy some hard liquor and weed. Invite her to help you use it up. have sex with her.

no wonder you're still a virgin.

geez. (1)

technix4beos (471838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183554)

It's about time the antique was laid to rest.

Besides, there are far more effective ways to share media, both online, and off.

60 million users (2, Insightful)

slashnot007 (576103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183789)

Antique? You must have an MTV sized attention span. 60 million users is how many napster claimed at its peak. Most companies would kill for that. I would be surprised if Lime wire could match that. And as for a distribution model, a bussiness model, having central index servers and distributed content servers lets the bussiness control the show. Gnutella does not have a bussiness capable model. Gnutella is mostly for the sector of slash dot populated by "free love free lunch" imbeciles who think is is "okay" to steal because they can.

my guess is that when something copy protected replaces mp3 that gnutella could become a viable bussiness model, the company would just sell or rent you an unlocking key. But napster would still be a better idea.

Re:60 million users (2)

drsoran (979) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183891)

How did they measure those 60 million users? The number of usernames in their database? If that was a valid way to measure users then Slashdot has over 600,000 users? More likely 30,000 and 570,000 troll accounts. I myself had 5 or 6 Napster accounts. I was always forgetting the damn password when I reinstalled it.

Re:60 million users (1)

junklight (183583) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183971)

Erm - but how many users does it have now?

Antique - last years news - dead and buried. Deceased. You do the rest...

Also it might have been a good business model for a few months but it didn't have the staying power. A good business model needs to *succeed*.

Re:60 million users (2, Interesting)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184364)

60 million users who don't want to pay for anything. The companies that would have killed for that all went bankrupt when the VC was spent.

Re:60 million users (1)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184528)

60 million users is how many napster claimed at its peak. Most companies would kill for that.

Yep, that's why none of us will let a company own something as important as file-sharing.

And as for a distribution model, a bussiness model, having central index servers and distributed content servers lets the bussiness control the show

See above.

Gnutella is mostly for the sector of slash dot populated by "free love free lunch" imbeciles who think is is "okay" to steal because they can.

Unfortunately 90% of the world population agrees with us. The other 9% agrees to pay someone for a CD/DVD they burned for them. The remaining 1% is you.

my guess is that when something copy protected replaces mp3 that gnutella could become a viable bussiness model

This will never happen, it is a physical impossibility. You cannot protect analog content, the only way to do this is to anti-design every general purpose computer/recorder on the face of the planet. And no that won't happen either.

Re:60 million users (2)

shepd (155729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4185066)

>Gnutella does not have a bussiness capable model

Gnutella certainly has a business capable model. That model, unfortunately, would require DRM.

Simply have all the files DRM encrypted and let them be shared around. You can play them based on wether your computer/player is authorized or not. If it is, it plays. If it isn't, it'll either go into barker mode, or it'll ask you to buy the song.

Of course, all the slashdot hating brainless CEOs think its okay to steal money from the workers because they can.

Or do you want to stop trying to redefine stealing to be something so watered down it means "having more than the next guy without his permission and without any personal loss to anyone". Because if that's what you want it to mean, than any company is stealing from its workers by paying them less than their work is worth (if they were to pay the full value, at _best_ the company would break even).

>my guess is that when something copy protected replaces mp3 that gnutella could become a viable bussiness model, the company would just sell or rent you an unlocking key.

Well, thanks for echoing what I just said. Why did you take the non-opportunity to insult the community you deal with and at the same time completely negate what you said earlier?

Oh, and BTW: .wma currently has the problem "locked up", so to speak. It takes more effort than your average non-slashdotter would put in to break it.

Napster gets pulled at last?... (3, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183557)

... How did anyone notice?

Seriously, though, this isn't news. Bertelsmann got its tentacles into Napster when it was the biggest thing on the net. Now it's a set of servers with no users.

Napster is, de facto, a stiff, bereft of life; it is no more. Bertelsmann have enough sense not to throw good money after bad.

Re:Napster gets pulled at last?... (1)

wa1rus (605203) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183582)

On the other hand, this does mean that they're not trying to stop people from using any of the useful peer2peer networks out there (you know, the ones people actually use).. so its all good.

recommend a good p2p (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183634)

I got tons of Dixie Jazz vinyl by the old black artists, almost all transcribed to MP3 at 256k+. No longer available, hasn't been heard in years. I play it at parties with my NexII, people go ape over it.

Where should I post it for quickest distribution?

Re:recommend a good p2p (1)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184369)

Just install windows 2k without any service packs and start up IIS. They'll distribute themselves automagically.

Re:Napster gets pulled at last?... (0)

Scrab (573004) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183585)

If we hadn't nailed it to the perch, would it be pushin' up the daisies?

I beg to differ (2, Flamebait)

tswinzig (210999) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183642)

Bertelsmann got its tentacles into Napster when it was the biggest thing on the net.

Bertelsmann bought Napster when it was already dead in the water. I know this because I remember thinking, WHY THE F*CK ARE THEY BUYING NAPSTER?

Re:I beg to differ (1)

dirkdidit (550955) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184611)

I know this because I remember thinking, WHY THE F*CK ARE THEY BUYING NAPSTER?


I highly doubt they bought Napster for anything other than the name. I mean the software wasn't all that great and it defintely wasn't set up to handle a subscription based service.

Bertelsmann figured that if they had the Napster name, people would flock to their new service. Boy were they wrong.

Re:Napster gets pulled at last?... (2)

uncoveror (570620) | more than 11 years ago | (#4185092)

Napster was dead the day they shut it down. We really knew it was never coming back, didn't we? I hope all consumers continue to punish the recording industry for killing Napster, Gouging kids for up to $20.00 a CD, and worst of all, making copy protected CDs that won't play in a computer, by shunning its products. Boycott the recording industry. Don't buy CDs. [dontbuycds.org]

Bored? (1)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183562)

I mean, wow. Napster offically dead. Yay.

Who noticed?

ADvertising (1)

yasth (203461) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183581)

Bertelsmann got a lot of free advertising out of this, so it is not like they lost all of thier investment.

Re:ADvertising (4, Insightful)

meringuoid (568297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183603)

Bertelsmann got a lot of free advertising out of this, so it is not like they lost all of thier investment.

Does that help, though?

As far as I know nobody goes to the CD store and says 'Ooh, a new EMI album! Must have!' The valuable brands are the various McPunk skater kiddies or bubblegum plastic-pop groups, rather than the name of the record label itself. Being a recognised brand could help when signing new artists, but I doubt it helps sales of CDs directly.

Re:ADvertising (1)

bottlerocket (605232) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184458)

Actually, when I'm browsing through CDs at my local music store, I'll often pick up a CD because it's released by a certain record label. Smaller labels, such as Saddle Creek, Jade Tree, or Shadow, tend to carry bands who share a similar style of music. If I like a couple of bands that have released albums through the label, I'll often buy a new CD from a band I've never heard of just because they're on the same label. I've discovered some great bands that way.

this is news? (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183586)

Did you also know Elvis is dead? and they've put a man on the moon? And I'm not sure abou this one, but I've also heard cigarettes cause cancer.

But seriously, napster died for me the day Metallica sued 300,000 former fans (including a good friend of mine).

Re:this is news? (0)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183689)

I think most Metallica fans became "former" the day the Load album was released. They haven't made a good album since the black album and even that was tame compared to their older stuff.

Re:this is news? (5, Interesting)

blixel (158224) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183791)

I think most Metallica fans became "former" the day the Load album was released. They haven't made a good album since the black album and even that was tame compared to their older stuff.

Agreed... The black album was still pretty good but just wasn't the same as the older stuff. Personally I liked "...and justice for all" the best, even more so than their albums when Cliff Burton was their bassist.

But I think most Metallica fans became "former" the day Lars decided to become the spokesperson against Napster. I mean come on dude... Go watch some of the old Metallica documentries where Lars himself was advocating how great it was in the old days when Metallica fans were ILLEGALLY swapping Metallica tapes amongst themselves. My, how we've changed our tune. (No pun intended.) It was OK then because no one knew who Metallica was and they were spreading the music, thus creating a larger fan base. But now that they are established and each band member has 60 million dollars each, it's not so great any more? What a hypocrit!

Re:this is news? (1)

drsoran (979) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183922)

Go watch some of the old Metallica documentries where Lars himself was advocating how great it was in the old days when Metallica fans were ILLEGALLY swapping Metallica tapes amongst themselves. My, how we've changed our tune. (No pun intended.) It was OK then because no one knew who Metallica was and they were spreading the music, thus creating a larger fan base.

I think I remember hearing one of them comment on that even recently. They said swapping tapes with friends is OK because it takes more effort to dub it and mail it (if out of state) than swapping it digitally. That justification seems kind of shallow to me. The medium shouldn't make any difference.

Re:this is news? (2)

URoRRuRRR (57117) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184360)

Please. Metallica did it for the publicity. They didn't give a real fuck about the file sharing, they just wanted more of the spotlight.

it's sad (1)

engine matrix (553187) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184690)

It's too bad that Metallica destroyed their reputation. Up until 1999, Metallica were known as the 80's metal band that were years ahead of their time. The 80's band that didn't wear makeup and end up washed-out on "Behind the Music". Now Metallica's legacy is that they are the band that killed Napster, the first P2P network. Great idea guys.

My 11 year old sister who wasn't even born when the Black album came out knows who Metallica is and that Lars killed Napster. However that is all she knows about them.

KIKES (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183592)

Who Rules America? [natvan.com]

Get a Napster shirt quick (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183601)

While stock lasts... here [napster.com] .

I wouldn't walk out in the streets with one, though.

Jeeze! (0, Redundant)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183602)

Why does the media keep beating this dead horse for.. what has it been? three years ?

I'd think they'd run out of foot to beat it with by now... =\

Re:Jeeze! (1)

khuber (5664) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183615)

Why does the media keep beating this dead horse for.. what has it been? three years ?

No kidding!

It will be nice to not have to hear about Napster anymore finally.

Re:Jeeze! (1)

archen (447353) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183770)

The program will go away, but as a concept of what Napster was; I think we'll have to deal with that for eternity. Every time a p2p program comes out and is described by the media, it's always described as being "like Napster but able to share other files". Aside from that, every time the media giants get their panties in a bind over "pirating music", Napster is ALWAYS mentioned.

... Am I the only person that never used Napster?

Right tool (-1, Troll)

Hemos (editor) (569506) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183636)

I know a bunch of people are pissed about MP3 and its licensing and so forth. I think it's a valid complaint. After all, I'm a long-time ex-Windows user, so I know what it's like to get frustrated with the people who make your software.

But when it comes right down to it, you have to choose the right tool for the right job. A lot of times, at client sites where I'd rather use Linux or BSD/OS, I have to go with Win2k, just because the required featureset (ASP, database connectivity, CGI) demands IIS. I think we need to recognize that MP3 is an established and important technology for digital music. Would it be nice if it were all public domain, or GPLed? Of course. But you can't always get what you want, and in this case we have to settle for MP3 with the knowledge that it is truly the appropriate tool for the job at hand.

Re:Right tool (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183896)

Can we get an OFFTOPIC on this post?

Re:Right tool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184846)

Lend him yours.

16 Year Old Sentenced 10 years for stealing 6-pack (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183639)

INVERNESS -- Earlier this year, 16-year-old Adam Bollenback swiped a six-pack of beer from a refrigerator in a woman's garage and got caught by Citrus County sheriff's deputies.

The situation went from bad to worse when Bollenback slithered out of a patrol car while the deputy wasn't watching, leaving behind only his shoes.

He was caught and accused of burglary, petty theft and escape. Prosecutors charged him in the adult system, a move that was within their discretion.

After Bollenback was tried and convicted of the crimes, the state Department of Corrections recommended the boy, now 17, wear an electronic monitoring ankle bracelet for two years. The Department of Juvenile Justice thought a stay in a high-level youth facility would be more appropriate.

On Tuesday, Circuit Judge Ric A. Howard discarded those suggestions and sentenced Bollenback to a 10-year prison term.

"You're well on your way to a lifetime of prison and I don't want to see that happen," Howard said before handing down the punishment. "This sentence is going to break your spirit right now."

Bollenback's mother, Cheryl, was stunned by the judge's decision.

"What? What did he say?" she asked, glancing around the courtroom in confusion. "Ten years? Is that right?"

Bollenback's lawyer, Jim Cummins, immediately asked the judge for permission to keep the youth at the Citrus County jail for 10 days so he could file motions protesting the sentence. Howard denied the request.

Then Cummins asked that his client, still technically a juvenile, be segregated from the adult inmate population. The motion also was rejected.

"He's an adult and he's going to be treated as an adult," Howard said.

Read More... [sptimes.com]

Re:16 Year Old Sentenced 10 years for stealing 6-p (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183661)

So?

The little punk got what he deserved.

If you do the crime, you've gotta do the time.

If he's an adult... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184443)

...then he should be free to drink the beer that he stole (ok, ok, not that beer, but you get my point).

He should also be able to vote.

We can't have the responsibilities of adulthood without the privileges now can we?

This is unfortunate... (1)

jwlidtnet (453355) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183676)

...and yes, I know that Napster has been--uh, how do I put this nicely--"out of action" for some time, but it's still sad to see the thing go. Napster wasn't just the first and most important P2P service; as people tend to forget, it was also the one that worked the best. The Fasttrack network has yet to really live up to its promise (it's fine for searches of things that are popular on the network, but anything else tends to be more trouble than it's worth), and Audiogalaxy--in my eyes the most promising of the new networks--is of course no more.

I can't help but view Napster's real death as something of an omen. The original is gone, but at this point, a quality replacement is still hard to find.

Re:This is unfortunate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184556)


>
Napster wasn't just the first and most important P2P service; as people tend to forget, it was also the one that worked the best.

Having used both Napster and WinMX extensively, I would have say that WinMX now works better than Napster did. Yes, Napster's reliability was excellent; but WinMX's multi-source and auto-retry features give it the edge.

(Of course, overall it makes no sense to compare them, because of WinMX's straightforward access to non-MP3 files, which Napster was unwilling to provide. For many people like me, music is only a small component of the file-sharing experience.)

Re:This is unfortunate... (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184778)

Seconded, WinMX is the one to own now. Grokster/Kazaa are not bad, but their network is not decentralised and their apps are full of spyware. I prefer it to Napster, which I was using before the servers became linked. I remember thinking "wow" when they hit around 4,000 people per server. Now everyman and his dog is using them.

Sure, searching can be a bit slow, but that's the side-effect of distributed technology. If anyone wanted to shut down WinMX, they would find it hard. It would probably have to come down to the ISPs, but if ISP's A, B and C existed and C did not block p2p, they get my money.

does it really matter? (3, Insightful)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183701)

alot of ppl got rich out of napster, and alot of other ppl got happy - the only groups that weren't happy was the music industry, doesn't mean they didn't get rich. I think everyone has an artist[s] they found through p2p that went out and bought there cd. Nevertheless a whole new breed of p2p systems are up and running, testing the legal system and giving alot of lawyers work. Basically business models that operate until the lawyers shut them down, then a new system that finds a legal loophole in the old.

Beer GOOD, Napster BAD! (3, Funny)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183721)

At least while napster was still in action (the good old days) these cartoons were still funny. Nevertheless if you hadn't seen them here the are -
Beer GOOD - Napster BAD! [campchaos.com]

The significance of this news... (1)

ites (600337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183732)

Is that what is happening to digital music
will have a great impact on our lives.
Napster started a revolution.
Bertelsmann bought Napster either to shut it down
or to try to profit from its reputation.
Either way, they were 6 months too late.
But their move was very important.
Old media trying to keep control...
Expect some bloodshed in violent revolutions.
More interestingly: how will music adapt to use the Net?
Simple file sharing/piracy is not viable.
Someone has to create the content people want.
People will pay for choice and quality.
My guess? Look at the porn industry.
See how they have adapted to using the Net.
There are differences...
but we have seen an entirely digital industry spring up in about 5 years.
It may take that long for a digital music industry to emerge.

Re:The significance of this news... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183753)

You're a weirdo. Grow up.

I still want Napster... (1)

Taylor_Durden (605279) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183742)

BMG, and the rest of RIAA, can sell something that no file-sharing app can get you. Legallity and legitimacy.

There is a price-point where people will pay to have a legal right to the song that's allready illegally on their computer. If BMG can figure out the right price point, they can make a profit selling nothing but legitimacy.

Personally, I'd give them my legal name, home address, and give them permission to track me until the day I die IF I can get a full legal title to the music I buy. I want to be able to get a "replacement media" discount on a new copy of my destroyed CD. I want to be able to download lossless song files to burn me a custom album, and have it be 100% legit.

I won't pay $50 a month to do this. I would pay $5 a year. Somewhere in between those two, I would have to reserve judgement until the offer's been made.

If BMG can provide what I want, I will buy from them.

Re:I still want Napster... (1)

mosschops (413617) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183904)

BMG, and the rest of RIAA can sell something that no file-sharing app can get you. Legallity and legitimacy.

Let's hope they remember to include portability and flexibility, by using the MP3 format instead of something that requires a special player.

I'd also expect quality too, which is certainly something that's lacking on the P2P networks. Still, Kazaa (et al) are still a handy way to preview tracks when considering a CD purchase...

Re:I still want Napster... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183906)

I won't pay $50 a month to do this. I would pay $5 a year. Somewhere in between those two, I would have to reserve judgement until the offer's been made.

That's only about $1.5 billion a year in revenue if everyone in the USA paid them $5/year. I think you'd need to tax everyone something like $20 a year at least for it to be worthwhile to them. Just take $50 a year per person from our income tax and redirect it to the RIAA and MPAA and then we can have free exclusive rights to do whatever we want with the movies and music available. :-)

Re:I still want Napster... (1)

RebelTycoon (584591) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183915)

and for $5 I'd rather prosecute you for the thief you are.. because $5 covers absolutely nothing.

$5 is not reasonable.. I would pay $100 for the year if it gave me unlimited downloading just like Audio Galaxy did, and with the same variety... Even if that means initially that they have to provide the content.

Its about convience... Make it convient, I'll use it...

Re:I still don't get it... (2)

symbolic (11752) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184056)


I still don't understand where this entitlement to digital media - to what is essentially someone else's property, comes from. I'm open to explanations, though (and please...it would be much appreciated if the the self-aggrandizing rationalization were kept to a minimum).

Re:I still don't get it... (2)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184152)

I still don't understand where this entitlement to digital media - to what is essentially someone else's property, comes from. I'm open to explanations, though (and please...it would be much appreciated if the the self-aggrandizing rationalization were kept to a minimum).

Let's say book publishers started shutting down libraries. Then you started complaining. Then someone came up to you and said, "I still don't understand where this entitlement to media - to what is essentially someone else's property, comes from." What would you tell them?

Re:I still don't get it... (2)

Stonehand (71085) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184547)

Let's say a Slashdot poster posts a bogus analogy as a strawman. How should one respond?

Libraries are /not/ P2P networks. Libraries maintain a strictly limited number of copies of works, /each/ purchased legitimately (and, in the case of journals, they often pay a much higher charge than an individual would). Libraries do /not/ create infringing duplicates, nor do they distribute them.

Contrast that with P2P businesses trying to make money of of mass copyright infringement.

So how is your post relevant?

Re:I still don't get it... (2)

Mike Schiraldi (18296) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184626)

I'd love a service that lets you share music without making infringing duplicates. I legitmately own thousands of songs. I've got stacks of CDs in my closet. I haven't touched them in months.

I think it would be terrific to have a system where i can share my music with the world. Even if only one person could listen to each of my songs at a time, there's still a lot of music.

In return, when someone else has an album they're not listening to at the moment, i'd like them to share it with me.

Re:I still don't get it... (2)

symbolic (11752) | more than 11 years ago | (#4185190)


That's all well and good...but what are you (or better, what are people) most likely going to do until one of these systems exist? Won't this entitlement mentality continue? And if it does, where does the right to this entitlement come from?

Re:I still don't get it... (1)

AtariKee (455870) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184396)

I find it funny how you so-called champions of intellectual rights always post your self-righteous, condescending crap. Like you're really that important, that I want to spend more than the minute it took for me to write this post to point out why people like you are idiots.

Think about it. Is anyone stealing from you? And don't lie.

Re:I still don't get it... (2)

Stonehand (71085) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184565)

I find it funny how many Slashdotters are so off that instead of refuting arguments, they post ad hominem attacks.

As for theft -- it is not theft in the traditional sense. However, it is certainly a violation of an implicit agreement -- to abide by all the laws and specified restrictions upon entering a transaction as a citizen and a consumer. Much as working in this country generally introduces a coincident requirement to file a tax return (save for those whose total earnings are very low indeed), purchasing a work includes an acceptance of the copyright restrictions as they are unless explicitly waived by the copyright holder.

If you don't accept them, you can either (1) not purchase the work and not procure it in any fashion, or (2) take the civil disobedience route, buy one, publicly infringe on it, and summon and surrender to the authorities to arrest and fine/imprison you, or (3) go write your politicians and do something constructive about it. Otherwise, you're no better than an oathbreaker.

Re:I still don't get it... (1)

BandwidthHog (257320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184439)

Okay, sure, I'll take a crack at it. First off, I think we can pretty much dismiss the legal arguments. I think most adults here would agree that less than 5% of all MP3 trading on the P2P networks falls under the protection of Fair Use. So that leaves the moral, ethical and psychological arguments, which in my mind all kinda blur together.

When I first dove into the Napster scene (the same day I got a cable modem and registered this slashdot account) Most of what I downloaded was music I had purchased over the years but no longer physically had, due to the shrinkage of a CD collection over time that we're all too familiar with. My justification was that if the record companies wanted to view their product as IP, then the physical medium was irrelevant, and having "licensed" vast amounts of music over the years, I was still entitled to those albums, both ethically and legally.

Now mind you, I don't steal. Anything. Ever. Not even candy as a little kid. I've handed back excess change to cashiers, coerced friends into returning things they'd shoplifted, etc. Yet as much as I tried, I just couldn't see it as stealing when I started downloadng albums I'd never purchased. Why not? Because, having gone about seven years without purchasing any new music, I knew with certainty that my downloading something wasn't going to result in any lost revenues. And as the shady contractual doings of the record companies became common knowledge, I had to admit that I felt absolutely no moral conflict in grabbing whatever music I felt like, knowing that I was expected to pay ~$15 to the record company and less than $1 to the artist (and about as much to the retailer). So does that make me a hypocrite? I'm sure some would say yes, but I truly don't think so. I don't listen to new music, so everything I download has either succeeded of flopped, and isn't gonna get any of my money whether I listen to it or not. So what exactly is the reason for me not to hear it?

Personally, I'd rather download only music for which I could pay a *reasonable* amount directly to the band, or free-as-in-beer music. But where do I find it? I don't donwload much anymore because I've already got all the music I've ever liked, and am burned out on most of it. My biggest problem is finding new music that fits my taste, but I didn't make use of AudioGalaxy while it was still around. There's got to be hundreds of bands playing music that I like, but unless they sign with the old boy network, individuals like me have almost no chance of fiding them. I'd gladly pay for some means of getting around that paradox.

Okay, so this isn't nearly as coherent, concise or persuasive as I'd hoped, and is undoubtedly redundant, but dammit, it's how I feel. I believe that if Zappa were still around, he'd be fine with my having almost his entire collected works even though I've only spent about $75 retail on his stuff over the years.

Re:I still don't get it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184620)

Back in 1995, long before mp3's, an RIAA executive said in a public speech the internet should be shut down. As you know, the RIAA is currently trying to get US Federal laws created that would allow them to dDOS and hack with near impunity. Given the choice between the survival of the internet and survival of the RIAA, and I believe the two cannot co-exist, I choose the internet, and thus the RIAA must die so the internet can live. Given this, an RIAA-label music CD, new or used, is absolutely the last thing I would ever spend money on.

When there's music from a non-RIAA label that I want, I buy the CD, if websearching doesn't show any association of the band or label with pro-RIAA anti-consumer legislation, ranting, or the like.

Dead a year. Just not buried yet. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183752)

This is about as newsworthy as "Liz Taylor in hospital". How exactly does one turn an aging roomful of servers with a disgraced name into something profitable? You don't.

Napster - takes a nap (0, Redundant)

fruey (563914) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183755)

So, now they finally announce Napster is dead. Kinda like announcing today that
  • Elvis Presley is dead
  • Marilyn Monroe just got killed / committed suicide (do you believe the conspiracy theorists?)
  • John F Kennedy was shot

On a positive note, at least now we can gauge just how far behind Bertelsmann are with technology using the equation x-y=z where x is the time Napster actually died (end 1999 when Audiogalaxy was flying) and y is today.

Now, we can await Napster II, the shite filesharing vehicle where you pay $$ too much per song and go to the press to cry that people won't pay for filesharing content and all that shite.

In Related News: RIAA Cracked Again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183762)

Just saw mention of this in a newsgroup:
A Third Hack on RIAA Site [mp3newswire.net]
The RIAA web site [riaa.org] appears MIA. Pings to it were 200+ ms with 76% packet loss when I first spotted the item. Now the site doesn't ping at all.

Wonder if RIAA still thinks a law allowing legal cracking/DoSing is a Good Idea?

Re:In Related News: RIAA Cracked Again? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183801)

That "third hack" is part of the "second hack". For some reason, the slack RIAA admins have not yet removed the page.

Still a well thought out hack, though. It makes a nice change to the usual "HTIS P4Ge H4X0R3D BUY LEET|=reAK!" waste of time crap.

Wow! (1)

dotgod (567913) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183776)

The end of Napster came as quickly as the Mozilla 1.0 release did.

Day of infamy (5, Insightful)

the bluebrain (443451) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183814)

So I'll get shot down in flames for the quote in the subject line ... but I believe there is indeed a quite historical aspect to this story:

Most /.ers will have read some SF (that *Speculative*, godamit :) tome on the subject of the Valhalla machine (or whatever you want to call it): the end of the age of scarcity, thanks to "universal replicators".

The "IP" version of this is the "celestial jukebox" ... which Napster would have become, but for the stumbling blocks.

I can imagine business / law majors a couple of decades down the line pointing out to us, back here in the time well, just where we went wrong & what we *should* have done - how it could have worked.

Music & films nowadays *can* be replicated & distributed for nothing more than the very cheap transmission & storage costs - thing is of course, they *aren't*.

I am very aware of all the linkage - artists & crew having to feed families & suchlike - but nonetheless, humanity almost had it, but somehow couldn't quite manage to organise things in such a way as to enjoy the fruits of the labour of previous generations & share the luxury of entertainment & education all round the globe.

Grand-style napsterisation of anything & everything digitizable *will* come ... and Shawn Fanning's legacy may be just that: the word.
Hopefully it won't acquire any more negative connotations than it already, illegitimately, has.

----

"and they say that I'm a dreamer / but I'm not the only one"

Re:Day of infamy (2)

tuxedo-steve (33545) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184086)

No mod points available, but +1 Insightful anyways.

Re:Day of infamy (2)

an_mo (175299) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184098)

Good post, I agree that for now the monopolistic powers have prevailed only with the force of dated legislation. Hopefully in the near future more efficient distribution systems will overcome. Businesses can't ignore that the cost of distributing music and video is now almost zero.

Re:Day of infamy (2)

RickHunter (103108) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184590)

The question I'd ask is whether the entire concept of copyright makes sense at all. Though right now, its the only way to compensate artists (and, more importantly, middlemen, laywers, and producers) so I don't see it going away anytime soon. But if someone could come up with a way of ensuring the same ends (artist compensation for giving their work to the public) and sneak it into legislative existance...

Oh, and transmission costs aren't always low. Why? Look at who you're transmitting through - local cable company? Owned by media giant. Local telco? Has business arrangements with media giant.

Gee, I wonder if it might be in their interest to keep bandwidth costs for the average citizen artificially inflated? (And otherwise restricted - after all, you don't want Joe Average running his own web page. That's already resulted in embarassaments like small news sites beating the big names on a breaking story.)

Re:Day of infamy (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184610)

Obligated compensation is slavery, look at poor people who need major medical services once in their life and spend the rest of it paying for it.

proof corporates = touch of death (0)

cheekyboy (598084) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183819)

remember, if you sell out to a corporate, it equals death

OT: Your .sig (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183838)

You should be using double quotes (") to enclose a string, not single ('). You should only use a single for a char ('a'), it won't work for a string ("This is a string").

Unless thats not C or C++, in which case, ignore this.

Napster? What is this napster you speak of? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4183840)

Didn't that beast go extinct a couple years ago? Have people still been gainfully employed there since then? Napster was never anything but a sinkhole, and I've honestly never believed that bastard Shawn Fanning wrote a lick of code. He may have conceptually come up with the beginnings of a start of the beginning of an idea for something to steal music from friends, but that half-witted fucktard couldn't program his way out of his ass.

Re:Napster? What is this napster you speak of? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184807)

And just how exactly did YOU change the world? Nope?

Shawn Fanning brought file sharing to the masses. You have to respect that.

Still no bol for me (1)

PhilHibbs (4537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183866)

The company is in talks to sell the Bol.com network of sites to e-tailing giant Amazon.
Damn, I was hoping that this would mean that I can use bol.com, but sadly no. Bertelsmann were Nazi propagandists (and gained their current status as Europe's largest publishing company because of this) and now Amazon are patent abusers. Ho hum.

dying napster great for other P2P (1)

blastedtokyo (540215) | more than 11 years ago | (#4183899)

Once the judge dropped the bomb on napster, it gave users a chance to switch to gnutella or other file sharing networks that had better technology but less publicity. The end result was that we got more progress in P2P technology. Plus other services got a chance to reach critical mass.

A dying napster also helped keep the flames off of the newer services. While the RIAA still got into the act of attacking everyone associated with P2P, it seemed like the rest of the news media was still assigned to cover the 'napster story.' Thus, they covered the whole Bertlesmann fiasco, the so-called re-release of napster (remember all the silly reviews?) and diverted attention away from the other services.

Now that Napster's really dead, stories like the release of the Two Towers or of Episode II hitting the net before it opened are going to be attributed to Kazaa, WinMX or whoever the current popularity leader is. Then the techno-faddish (i.e. your local congressman) will have a concrete target to attack.

MOD PARENT UP INSIGHTFUL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184291)

mods on crack

Question (3, Interesting)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184124)

Now Napster is (or was for a long time) dead, and audiogalaxy has gone to a land far far away ...

What else can I use to download MP3's? I'm not really interested in a multiple media job, just straight MP3's.

I did try WinMX but found it sucked, you had to queue for everything and the interface was horrible.

Any suggestions? I'm rapidily finding it more and more difficult to try tracks before I buy albums.

Re:Question (1)

Dthoma (593797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184246)

Grokster? LimeWire? KaZaA Lite?

Re:Question (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184263)

Your top choices:

1. Usenet -- fastest, but you pretty much have to
take what's there.
2. Gnutella -- heavy overhead, slow to search, but
eventually you'll get what you want.
3. FastTrack (KaZaA) -- the current popular
leader; avoid the KaZaA client itself (loaded
with spyware and worse) in favor of KaZaA Lite
or something.
4. eDonkey2000
5. Direct Connect

Re:Question (2)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184630)

The best solution would be if the cd websites were allowed to and did publish medium-quality streams of the albums they sold. The RIAA could also do their part, by making an easy-to-use availablility/price comparison utility for selling CDs online. I listen to some stream, I click a link, and I get a list of the places I can order the CD and/or download the song for a small fee.

Then again, they seem more interested in keeping their current infrastructure. Oh well.

Re:Question (2, Informative)

dmarx (528279) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184748)

Try the Gnutella network. You can find a list of clients at Gnutella News [gnutellanews.com] . Also, try KaZaA. Don't use the official client; it has spyware and adware. Use KaZaA Lite [kazaalite.com] instead.

Re:Question (2, Informative)

syknes (30153) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184974)

I don't recall which earlier slashdot article twigged me to it, but SoulSeek [slsk.org] (seems to be flaky today) is pretty outstanding for electronic music, and no slouch on other styles. Naturally, you'll get more enjoyment out of it if you donate to the author (he's set up a download priority system which gives *major* benefits to contributors).
HTH

Ge me something AS GOOD AS Napster, I'll pay! (2)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184180)

As I've said before... what the music companies need to do is give us something AS GOOD AS Napster and Audiogalaxy were.

The problem is not the "pay" part.

The problem is the "as good as" part.

And that means: ALLOW FILE SHARING. There is no way in the world that a consortium of music companies pitching their collective Top 40 is going to cater to my oddball individual interests. (And EVERYONE has oddball individual interests--this is not an elitist thing).

Napster and AudioGalaxy have shown me that there are PLENTY of people out there who share my fondness for, say, Billy Murray cylinder recordings, or Bernard Cribbins singing "'Ole in the Ground," or Johnny Standley's "Grandma's Lye Soap." And are willing to take the time to rip and upload them.

There's no way a for-profit company is going to bother with this sort of thing. Which, while it may or may not be under copyright, is of negligible commercial value.

So, what they should do is LET THE FANS DO WHAT THEY LIKE and charge a REASONABLE fee, like the "blank media" fee on VHS cassettes or home audio music CD-R's, to compensate music companies and artists for their use.

This isn't very different from what ASCAP and BMI have done for years with radio stations, where a flat fee is charged, based on the radio station's audience, which gives them the right to broadcast as much as they like of the licensed material.

Just set up something like Napster or AudioGalaxy, and charge me the appropriate ASCAP fee for an audience of one.

Re:Ge me something AS GOOD AS Napster, I'll pay! (2)

szyzyg (7313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184349)

OH MY God!

Bernard Cribbins? Is there any artist who would be more appropriate to Slashdot? I mean this guy helped Dr Who defeat the Daleks....

Anyway this is a huge problem with the online subscription services - they're only listing stuff that they've legally cleared. All new contracts contain some sort of digital clause, but older contracts require a lawyer digging through paperwork and finding the rights holders. All of this takes time and money, and for many older artists the return on this investment isn't going to happen in a reasonable time.

The US needs some sort of compulsory license for old and out of print media - soemthing that ensures the these things are never lost to the world.

Wankster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184196)

Yes, but this is the beginning of Wankster. Yes, Shawn is getting into the porn industry. You(probably) heard it here first!

Good (2)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184457)

Now no one will be confused and I don't have to worry about trademark infringement when I say "downloading from napster".

ponderings on The Money Issue (1)

The Moving Shadow (603653) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184594)

So if i understood it right Bertelsman bought Napster. So they've basically thrown away all their investments when they pull the plug out of the napster network? Why o why did they buy Napster in the first place? Not a rant, but just a question. Apparently the Bertelsman company (one of the five biggest mediatycoons, isn't it?) has so much money to burn that they can invest in a broad range of "hard-to-predict" new bussinesexperiments (as we shall call them) and then abandon them just as easy. OR they thought they could do something constructive with the Napster network, something that was legal (as opposed to (still) illegal mp3 swapping). Oh btw, as a reply on the AudioGalaxy / Napster subsitute question: I heard good tales about SoulSeeker. It's said to be the best mp3 sharing program out there at the moment now AG is gone.

How is This News? (1)

dmarx (528279) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184723)

Napster has been dead for awhile. Whatever happens to it now will be a mere formality.

Bertelsmann Looking At Pulling Plug On Napster (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4184737)

In other news

Slashdot pulls the plug on all the Napster stories

That piece of junk still around? (1)

suzahara2001 (599521) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184772)

Wow, I figured Napster disappeared a long time ago since no one uses that thing anymore.

Use IRC for MP3... seriously (2)

kstumpf (218897) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184817)

People very much overlook IRC as a source for MP3 downloads. Everything you want is there, you just have to know how to find and get it, and you have to be patient about it.

First, grab a copy of mIRC [mirc.com] . After installing that, download a copy of AutoGet [wildstar.net] . AutoGet is a set of scripts that facilitates finding and downloading files from IRC channels. As users advertise their MP3 list triggers, AutoGet downloads them. You can then search or browse all the lists you've collected and add songs from them to a download manager. AutoGet handles requesting and downloading the songs.

If you are patient, you will get just about everything you put in your queue. Trust me.

And don't forget to share what you download! The author of AutoGet also has a serving system called OmenServe [wildstar.net] that works very well.

I'm not sure if similar systems exist for clients other than mIRC. If anyone knows of any, I'd love to hear about them.

Good. (2)

Vegan Pagan (251984) | more than 11 years ago | (#4184955)

Napster is the icon of the internet at its best. Better for Bertlesman to mercifully kill it than revive it as a pointless shell of its former self. This way, we'll remember Napster as the app that delivered the promise of the net and revealed the rotten nature of the entertainment biz. We'll remember Napster as our martyr.

Hmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4185264)

CD prices have been as high as they have been simply because there was no feasible way to mass-distribute audio and retain its quality until now. The music industry could jack up prices as much as it wanted because hey, CDs were the only way to go. Of course, this all changed when MP3s and the Internet started becoming widespread.

However, imagine if this technology (MP3/OGG, and the Internet) existed before the music industry evolved into the monstrosity it is today. Do you think they would have started offering all of the 'extra incentives' we keep talking about today (like merchandise, concert tickets, etc) on their own?
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