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Interview with Tron Creator Steven Lisberger

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the glow-in-the-dark dept.

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NeoCode writes "AintItCool has posted an interesting interview with the Tron creator Steven Lisberger. He doesn't talk much about the sequel Tron 2.0 (because of a Disney gag order) but he reflects about the original movie with nostalgia. He talks about what influenced Tron and what Tron meant (and still does) to people. Have a read."

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Episode Seven: Deviation (preliminary draft) (-1)

Walmart Security (570281) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191159)

"This world isn't yours," the man told Peter, his animosity emphatic. "We've taken it from you. Even the police fear us now, though they'd never tell you." Soft fluorescent lights illuminated the warehouse, exposing hundreds of ambiguously marked cardboard boxes and one car.

"Very soon now, we'll overthrow them and restore anarchy." Peter was shivering; he couldn't defend the world from this threat. The man's black eyes pierced his own. "You are quite intimidated, obviously. I was never your protégé, old man. You're shivering; I can see it from here." He stepped closer.

"Why, Robert?" Peter asked, his voice rising. "My Wal-Mart provided nothing to you or your organization! It never has and it never will."

"At first, my assignment was to infiltrate EZSECURE and terminate the company president. That was until I met you, of course." He stepped closer and tapped Peter's shoulder.

"No, don't hurt me!" he recoiled. "Please-"

"Scream in my face again and I'll kill you," the man cautioned. "I'll kill you slowly. Anyway, nobody would even believe your story if I did release you. You'd be guarding the mental institution. You see, when I met you, my objective became more personal. The original plan was to dispatch you with the SUV. However, I decided it'd be more impressive to confirm your beliefs and then watch the agony on your face as-"

With a deafening crash, the fluorescent lights shattered. Robert covered his ears and fell to the floor as two people descended from above. Their black clothing and automatic rifles intimidated Peter, who had retreated to the nearest corner. Spotlights illuminated the room, revealing a trail of blood that led to a closed door.

"Units fourteen and fifteen have commenced operation six-two," a man radioed as he landed. "Objective has been located; we're taking him through the roof. Rendezvous at location alpha."

"Who are you?" questioned Peter as they drew closer. The men remained silent.

Peter desperately clutched a cable hanging from the ceiling. As they ascended, shots rang out from below.

"Returning fire," radioed the soldier as he removed a grenade from his belt. "Fire in the hole!" With a click of the pin, he tossed the grenade. It erupted into a ball of flames, engulfing the contents of the warehouse. Peter looked down from far above, observing a burnt table, hundreds of boxes, and one scorched body that continued to burn...

May I have your attention.. This is Barry Reisweg (-1, Offtopic)

BarryReisweg (606015) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191160)

I work for Summex [summex.com]. That is my picture on the front page of the web site.

I just want everyone to know that I am gay.

Re:May I have your attention.. This is Barry Reisw (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191346)

I just want everyone to know that I am gay.

Gosh, that's nice. And by publically announcing it, you have just ruined any and all chances you have at real career advancement or job development. I can assure you that any resume that crosses my desk with your name on it is going straight to the shredder and the same is probably true for hundreds of other hiring managers that read Slashdot.

Enjoy your "alternate lifestyle."

Re:May I have your attention.. This is Barry Reisw (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191435)

Well, at least he's open about it. Much worse are the people who have issues with their sexuality who vainly attempt to hide it by persecuting others. If I saw both his resume and your resume on my desk, take a guess which one would be quicker to the shredder? Here's a hint: it's yours.

Ah, Bruce Boxleitner (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191180)

From Tron to Babylon 5 to this [discovery.com].

Re:Ah, Bruce Boxleitner (1)

mstorer3772 (526790) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191234)

You left out "Scarecrow and Mrs. King".

And no one will hold it against you. Did anyone actually LIKE that show?

Re:Ah, Bruce Boxleitner (1)

schon (31600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191570)

You left out "Scarecrow and Mrs. King"

And the oft-forgotten "Bring 'em Back Alive" (which also starred his Tron co-star Cindy Morgan)

Oh, what about Kuffs? (The movie with Christian Slater.)

I think that's all I've seen him in.

Re:Ah, Bruce Boxleitner (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191626)

Looks like he as at least 72 films or tv shows to his credit.
Sheesh, go to the source [imdb.com]!

Re:Ah, Bruce Boxleitner (0)

rczyzewski (585306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191490)

And don't forget his Outer Limits appearance. I cut into the middle of that episode and what like, "what the hell is going on?" Didn't realize until today that was Bruce in Tron. I'll have to go rent it to see what he looks like back them. I'd like to see them set the film in a Linux vs. Mac vs. Windows setting. The Great OS War or something like that. Tron would of course fight for the winning OS.

Tron 2? (4, Insightful)

Lxy (80823) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191211)

Why do we need a sequel?

Tron was awesome because it wowed the audience with its technical advances. In these days with the Matrix and Star Wars and the like, technology isn't as thrilling. Sure, we like to see Pixar's next film, as they continually create more stunning characters and produce each sequential film is less time. That's cool. But it's not the drop-everything-OH-MY-GOD-let's-go-see-this film that Tron was.

Of course I'll go see it. I think that's a requirement of being a registered linux user, right? my point is that there are some films that had their day, still have their day, and should just be left alone. Tron is one of them.

Re:Tron 2? (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191243)

I see yor point, but I also see a lot of potential to deal with the change in computers for a good story. Hopefully it will be a good story, with stunning effects, and not just special effects.

too me, there is always room for one more good movie.

OTOH I always condsidered the Matrix to be TRON for this generation.

Re:Tron 2? (1)

MaxVlast (103795) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191341)

Except Tron was good :)

Re:Tron 2? (1)

lugonn (555020) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191575)

Dude, Tron wasn't good...the story execution sucked. It was eye candy.

It didn't make any sense until the 15th time you watched it. And it was full of unexplained plot fillers. Kinda like that other great cult-sci-fi film of the 80's...Buckaroo Banzai! Only there was supposed to be a sequel to Buckaroo Banzai that would explain some of the goings on in the first movie, but it never got made and I still have questions damnit! So I'm looking forward to Tron 2, it needs to be made. I mean shit, what ever happened to Tron and Yori anyway? Did they have bits? Did Tron become THMFIC of the mainframe with the MCP gone? Did he figure out a way to make it into the real world? Did Flynn turn his Arcade into a Starbucks after he got the CEO job at Digicom?

The Matrix on the other hand was well explained/executed and the only question I had leaving was what the Oracle was.

Registered user? (0)

way2trivial (601132) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191486)

"I think that's a requirement of being a registered linux user, right? "

oh crap, was I supposed to register?

Re:Tron 2? (1)

idontneedanickname (570477) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191501)

Well, gee, maybe they don't want to make a big-flashy movie just to show off their budget, but maybe they like the setting of the story and think that they could make an interesting sequel. I'm not trying to flame you, just saying it's not all about the FX...

Re:Tron 2? (3, Funny)

Skirwan (244615) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191505)

Why do we need a sequel?
Scene: Marketer's bedroom, night.

Marketer, formerly fast asleep, sits bolt upright with a look of sheer amazement on his face. The sleepiness drops from his face as he slowly turns his head upwards, as if thanking God himself for the incredible inspiration.

Marketer: Tron... Two Point Oh! It's like 'Tron Two', but like a computer! Dear God, am I a genius! This movie must be made!

--
Damn the Emperor!

Re:Tron 2? (1)

schon (31600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191583)

Marketer: Tron... Two Point Oh! It's like 'Tron Two', but like a computer! Dear God, am I a genius!

You think you're funny, but watch the credits when it comes out.. I'm sure you'll see something like the following:

Based on an idea by the Marketing Department of Disney Pictures, Inc.

Re:Tron 2? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191644)

Good lawd! Give me one good reason I shouldn't kill you all!

Remind me. What was the Bit? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191217)

"Remind me. What was the Bit? "
The author sure did his research didn't he?
Did he even watch the movie?
Sure, the bit was a minor element in the movie, but come on.

horrible interviewer. (4, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191222)

First he states the tron is the best, then later asks: "Remind me. What was the Bit? "
not really much of a tron fan.

then its?: I know you can't talk about tron 2, so here is a bunch of questions about tron 2...

blech.
Can /. do a 10 questions?

Re:horrible interviewer. (1)

TheKubrix (585297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191270)

honestly, did you expect a top notch esposé? This is coming from a site called "aint it cool" no less....

:\

Re:horrible interviewer. (1)

cetan (61150) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191538)

speaking of which, whomever designed that site should be taken out back and shot.

Obligatory Quote (4, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191229)

Eisner: What kind of consumer is he?

Ghost of Disney: He's not any kind of consumer, Eisner. He's a geek.

Eisner: A geek?!

GoD: What's the matter, Eisner? You look nervous.

Eisner: Geeks... well, I mean... geeks wrote us. A geek even wrote you!

GoD: No one geek wrote me! I'm worth millions of their geek-years!

Tron 2.0 ?? (4, Informative)

TheKubrix (585297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191238)

I could be wrong but I believe it's called Tron Killer App [imdb.com]

Re:Tron 2.0 ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191337)

Quote from your link:
Also Known As:

Tron 2.0 (2001) (USA: working title)
So remove those question marks from your subject line.

Re:Tron 2.0 ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191375)

hence the I could be wrong intro, now stop trolling!

Re:Tron 2.0 ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191483)

you are an idiot. The question marks indicated a sense of questioning the word, in that it is rong.
I'm not trolling,

Re:Tron 2.0 ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191586)

no me no wong, yoo wong, yoo no wight, now top tolling!

Did you ever? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191240)

Did you ever feed pigs in TROFF?

Do weathermen scare you when they say low pressure TROFF?

Do hot babes TRON?

What a great flick (1)

bytor4232 (304582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191245)

Sure it may seem cheesey to todays standards, but it was a great story. I think nobody can truly call themselves a geek unless they own the Tron DVD.

BTW, that DVD is great. The directors commentary is just flat spectacular.

Thanks for the non-info (2, Insightful)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191482)

BTW, that DVD is great. The directors commentary is just flat spectacular.

Is it really too much to tell us why you think it is spectacular??? Then we could make up our own minds whether it's worth getting or not. "I own this product and I think it's just great. You should own it too. The end."

GMD

Re:Thanks for the non-info (1)

rjung2k (576317) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191631)

Because it's jammed with so much cool sh*t that the typical geek will cream his pants for a week enjoying it all. And the director's commentary is awesome.

I love special edition DVDs, especially the multi-disc sets, and the Tron DVD is definitely in the top five.

anonymous whore (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191254)

An Interview with Steven Lisberger - TRON 2.0 -- Prepare To Drool!!!!
Hey folks, Harry here... Our good friends at Filter Magazine, the same folks that gave us that early peek at the David Carradine interview about KILL BILL all those ages ago, have come through with a friggin fantastic interview with Steven Lisberger, which as every good geek worth their weight in styrofoam can attest, was the genius behind TRON - One of the greatest films of all time (and fuck you if you don't agree!) Ahem. Anyway, the way too lucky Kashy Khaledi landed the interview and managed to pry all sorts of stuff out of Steven - and the bits that he told Kashy off the record... I somehow sense a dinner being bought for Kashy soon... Hmmmm... Here ya go...
After the success of Disney's 20th anniversary DVD re-release, and amidst both speculation about a sequel and renewed interest for the original, Tron creator Steven Lisberger has cautiously come forward for this interview. Although I promised him that I wouldn't bring up the sequel, I couldn't resist. Since Disney has apparently enforced a gag order on Lisberger, its distributor will not appreciate any leaks about what will assuredly become one of next year's biggest sequels. Rumor has it that Jeff Bridges will reprise his role as Flynn, the insouciant video game pioneer with the knack to hack. And after our discussions about the current turmoil of tyrannical creatures from the crème de la crème of the corporate hierarchy, I find it hard to believe he won't make the issue a centerpiece in the sequel's plot, given the background of the original. Additionally, Lisberger has made it known that one of the central themes of the follow-up will involve cyberspace, some 20 years into the future. Lisberger will ultimately revisit the origins of his glowing, intra-computer megalopolis and the subsequent effect it had on computer-generated filmmaking, video game culture, and the prophetic nemesis between Bill Gates and Steve Jobs that is mirrored in the original film's plot. One thing is for certain: After talking to Lisberger off the record, he has no interest in simply rehashing the original. Prepare yourself for the return of Tron and all of its eerily accurate prophecies.

How influential were the films THX 1138 and 2001: A Space Odyssey on subjects that deal with the tyrannical nature of man, and consequently, the continuing debate of man vs. machine?

The strongest influence, in that regard, was 2001. You have to bear in mind that during that time, the '70s, or the late '70s, everyone perceived computers as the enemy. They were still mainframe. People didn't have PCs and they didn't know it could be personalized. The only thing that was being personalized was their information and it existed in a computer in that sense. In terms of the other films that were out, there was an attempt made when we were working on Tron to try to get at least as far out as 2001. THX 1138 wasn't a strong influence, but certainly Star Wars was an influence, in terms of the mythical aspects. I was trying to think of what else influenced us in terms of man vs. machine...

How about Philip K. Dick, in terms of the science fiction writers at the time that were prevalent? Was he instrumental in influencing Tron?

It really wasn't so much about the sci-fi of the past as it was the excitement of what was happening at the moment. And again, that was experienced by us exploring who was behind the technology at the time. We first started doing research on CG and video games, and then we started to meet the people who were dedicated to personal computers or computer graphics. That was really exciting, in that there was a face to the technology. These people were cutting edge. They were pioneers and that inspired the story about those people working in that world. And those people, at the time, had an attitude that their goal was to put technology into the hands of everyone. There was very much a sense that IBM was Big Brother, but we didn't know it at the time. Xerox Park was where all the research was being done. We visited that center. We didn't know that Bill Gates was writing the ultimate code to implant into the IBM system, which was then going to give birth to the PC, or at least make the PC accessible. So, at the end of Tron, when all those towers light up in the final scene, that's really what it's about. We were so idealistic. We thought that not only could the negative aspects of the technology be overcome, but that this was going to be a brave new world, and once everyone got plugged in, it would be the level of idealism needed to accomplish it. Technology, we felt, was going to be infinite. Somewhere down the line, technology became corrupted. In fact, it was very difficult to get the film companies to be interested in computers and CG. There is that great story that after we did Tron, that year, we weren't even nominated for an Academy Award for special effects. When we made an inquiry as to why that might be, they said, "Well we didn't nominate you because you cheated. You used computers." It was literally a different world back then.

When Tron had reached its peak, arcade culture had reached its peak. The games weren't exactly socially redeeming, but there wasn't carnage. Today the arcade is all but obsolete. Do you feel that the current proliferation of über home video game systems are promoting violent, anti-social behavior?

The answer to that, and I've seen it first hand, is that it's endemic of the whole culture. I have a 16-year-old son. I did everything I could to take the power away from the games, but never his access to the games. I read him a lot of really horrific Greek and Roman stories and mythology, just so he would know that video games weren't really the ones to invent all of this horror. If you can put it in a historical perspective, then it has less impact. The problem with the '60s was that we were being told that we were as far out as anyone had ever been, and the adults couldn't deal with it because it was just not true. In the 1890s, the people in that generation, the missionary generation, they had gone through all this utopia and had gotten equally far out, or even more far out. If some adult was smart enough to say, "This has all been done before," it would have taken some of the wind out of our sails, which would have been good. Instead, adults acted befuddled. The worst attitude is the "I just can't believe it" or "These kids today, why can't they be perfect like we were?" It's the job of the adults to just put it in perspective, and the kids are actually really good about that.

When you initially wrote Tron, was it too graphic? Did Disney make you go back and re-work some of the script?

No. If anything, at the time, the studio was paranoid about its reputation for being overly cute or kitsch. They were more worried about things like the Bit being too cute, or what not, in comparison to things being too violent.

Remind me. What was the Bit?

It was just a bit--the increment that we could get out of computers at the time.

The computer's equivalent to an atom?

Exactly. A zero and a one. A positive or a negative.

What were some of your favorite video games during the Tron era?

The most popular game we had on the set was Battlezone--the tank game. At the time of the live action shooting, Jeff Bridges held the record at 100,000 [points] and we were all struggling to get to that number. Then he left after the live action shooting and I kept playing through post-production for six months and my final score was somewhere around five million. So, that was interesting.

When you got together with your team of animators and made your prototype of what would actually become Tron in the film, was it almost divine?

People used to tell the Wright brothers that it was going to be impossible to fly because the human mind couldn't deal with going faster than 30 or 40 miles an hour. Intentionally, that was the quest, to try and get the best group of people together, the most talented bunch of people in one category and have everybody push the envelope together. It was sort of like an ensemble, like a band, and then out of that came something bigger than any of us had anticipated, because when the first frames came back, we were all pretty much blown away. We were the ones who were generating it and it was a problem for us--from the standpoint that the graphics at the time were capable of being so powerful, in terms of color and complexity--that we worried about burning the audience out. We worked really hard to try to make something that had the intensity that we were capable of, but at the same time could go for 75 minutes. And I think we did a pretty good job of that, considering the audience was younger and open-minded. I think that it pretty much blew the cerebellum out of a lot of people that came in thinking that computers were the enemy. At the same time, they got this avalanche of art and a bind with technology, which they never expected. People couldn't quite reconcile the fact that they were at a Disney movie.

As far as the backlight composites, is that something that you think you're going to work with again in Tron 2?

Well, no, because all of that gets done digitally nowadays. The fact is, that no movie will ever be made the way that Tron was made. As technical as it was, there was an incredible amount of hand art. We were still dealing with paint and plastic and film, and those things were all trying to meld with what the look of cyber was at the time.

Do you think it's going to be a lot easier to make Tron 2?

Yeah. I think five guys could make Tron 2 in their garage. It would look pretty much the same as the original Tron. It's just in terms of how far you want to go in pushing the envelope again.

Without getting into any details, because I know you can't talk about it, how far along are you guys with Tron 2?

There's been three scripts written and I'm pretty happy with where things are at now.

Did you write the script this time?

[I wrote] the first draft and then Richard Jeffries wrote two drafts. I worked with him on those. I'm pretty pleased with the potential of what we've got now. One other thing that is interesting now, looking back at the original Tron, is that we didn't mention that a big part of the storyline was the fact that the head of the company was corrupt. It had to do with corporate shenanigans, so in that sense...

Perfect timing.

In that sense, Tron was prophetic too.

Are you allowed to talk about cast members at all?

No. They don't want me to talk about all that stuff.

Moby's live show has a grand finale where he takes a beam of light to the head and arcs his arm in a similar fashion to the grand finale of Tron. It's an obvious Tron lift, if you will. Especially since Moby is a part of the rave culture, how do you feel about all these ravers that look at Tron as their virtual glow sticks? Are you annoyed or flattered?

Of course I'm flattered. Who wouldn't be? Anytime a work like this can go from one generation to the next, it means something. That's great. A major accomplishment. So many of the films that are being made today are going to end up in that bin at Blockbuster, where hundreds of tapes are priced at $3.99. I walk in there with my son and it's like a compost heap. And my son says, "Just think, Dad. All of these people, when they were making these movies, thought they were big shots.

What do you have to say to your new generation of fans?

You know, there is actually nostalgia attached to Tron. It was the seminal film for Generation X at the time. What it represented has just become a major part of their lives The interesting thing about the computer world and technology is that it's gone through all those phases in record time.

In 20 years!

Yeah, in 20 years. Now it's sort of firing on all cylinders at the same time and we're waiting to see a new generation embrace it and figure out a way to take it to the next step. I think that's one of things to talk about in the period we're in right now. It just seems like we're just piling manure on, hoping that something is going to sprout through this and we're going to see new directions coming. So, that's why a lot of this stuff is crashing. That's why AOL has peaked and that's why the Telecom industry is crashing. It's just time for the whole thing to come back down and be re-born through the next generation.

Will Tron 2, at least story-wise, reflect on all of the things you're talking about now, as far as corporate corruption concerned? Are you going to take it to the next level?

I can't keep talking about Tron 2. They're going to bust my chops. I mean, they'll come down on me. They've come down on me twice on that already.

Just a little more?

No.

What's up with the gag order? (5, Insightful)

jonman_d (465049) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191255)

What's with this Disney gag order? I mean, come on! I, for one, would be more inclined to spend the $10 to see the movie if I had been able to read more about it from this interview.

Why must they do that?

Re:What's up with the gag order? (2)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191315)

They do it for two reasons:

1. You can't have an "out-of-the-blue" hit movie if people know it's coming.

2. Disney lives in a fantasy world (really - this is not me making fun of them) where the abiliy to control the flow of information is more important than the information itself. The image, the presentation is everything to them.

If they didn't have gag orders, they would just have to lock people on the studio lots until filming was done - and fewer actors would work with them.

Re:What's up with the gag order? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191323)

yea, usually gag orders precede sucky movies
*prays*

Re:What's up with the gag order? (4, Informative)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191349)

What's with this Disney gag order?
A few things, really. First, TRON 2.0 is really early into production, so no use in putting information out there that's potentially wrong. Second, lack of information at early stages makes for more tension and hype. But really part of it has to be based off of the idea that Disney may well pull the plug on the whole thing. A TRON sequel has been in the talking/development hell stages for years and years now.

Monolith wanted their upcoming TRON 2.0 game to be based off of the sequel, but after waiting so long they gave up and persued (and won) the right to do up TRON 2.0 as a game, regardless of if the movie is made. Oddly enough, it looks like all the hype the game has created has made Disney more anxious to work on the movie, which is why we're hearing more and more about it.

Re:What's up with the gag order? (1)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191457)

What's with this Disney gag order? I mean, come on!

Yeah, I mean it's so unlike Disney to disregard what's best for the geek community just to serve their own interests. No precedent for this kind of action whatsoever.

GMD

Re:What's up with the gag order? (1)

shadow303 (446306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191480)

I wish Disney would hit McDonald's with a gag order. Everytime they release a new cartoon movie, I am sick of hearing about it before it even hits the theaters.

Hmm have a techie interview him next time... (1)

jsonmez (544764) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191263)

Remind me. What was the Bit? It was just a bit--the increment that we could get out of computers at the time. The computer's equivalent to an atom? Exactly. A zero and a one. A positive or a negative.

Obligatory Family Guy Quote (1)

jgkastra (571174) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191265)

*break to Tron scene*

Peter: Eric?

Eric: Peter!

Peter: Oh my God! I haven't seen you since high school! God, what are you doing these days?

Eric: I'm the red guy!

Peter: Oh my God!

Eric: What are you doing?

Peter: I'm the green guy!

Eric: No kidding! Is that Stacy Beecham?

Peter: Where?

*cuts off and destroys Peter*

Tron 2? (1)

tonywestonuk (261622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191267)

I don't think it's going to do well at the box office... The memory protection inherent in todays OS's all the UP (user programs) wont be able to slug it out with each other as in the first incarnation. (would they each be surounded by a virtual glass cage I guess?!).

I wonder if the MCP will be an M$MCP? - Probably not, you'd only have to wait a while, and it'd crash all on its own...no fun there....

T.

Wait for Tron 2 Service Pack 3 (1)

ciaohound (118419) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191325)

If it's from Microsoft, no one will take the leap for a buggy 2.0 release.

Re:Wait for Tron 2 Service Pack 3 (2)

schon (31600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191593)

If it's from Microsoft, no one will take the leap for a buggy 2.0 release.

Yeah, they'll all wait for Tron 97.

jesus christ! (3, Funny)

lingqi (577227) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191280)

...I kept playing through post-production for six months and my final score [for BattleZone] was somewhere around five million...

by the monitor's "radiation king" standards back then -- that's 5 inches of hairline you won't be getting back. we will just leave alone the effects on the cornea and skin cancer and the coughwastedtimecough...

obligatory simpsons reference (2)

po_boy (69692) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191282)

Homer: Uh...it's like...did anyone see the movie "Tron"?
Hibbert: No.
Lisa: No.
Marge: No.
Wiggum: No.
Bart: No.
Patty: No.
Wiggum: No.
Ned: No.
Selma: No.
Frink: No.
Lovejoy: No.
Wiggum: Yes. I mean -- um, I mean, no. No, heh.
-- "Treehouse of Horror VI" [snpp.com]

Re:obligatory simpsons reference (2)

daeley (126313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191308)

Lisa: Well, where's my dad?

Frink: Well, it should be obvious to even the most dimwitted individual who holds an advanced degree in hyperbolic topology, n'gee, that Homer Simpson has stumbled into...[the lights go off] the third dimension.

Lisa: [flips the light switch back] Sorry.

Frink: [drawing on a blackboard] Here is an ordinary square....

Wiggum: Whoa, whoa - slow down, egghead!

Frink: ... but suppose we extend the square beyond the two dimensions of our universe, along the hypothetical z-axis, there.

Everyone: [gasps]

Frink: This forms a three-dimensional object known as a "cube," or a "Frinkahedron" in honor of its discoverer, n'hey, n'hey.

Homer's voice: Help me! Are you helping me, or are you going on and on?

Frink: Oh, right. And, of course, within, we find the doomed individual.''

Re:obligatory simpsons reference (1)

cpeterso (19082) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191309)


Why did Wiggum answer Homer's question twice?

Re:obligatory simpsons reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191321)

he didnt, he answered it 3 times, dillweed.

Re:obligatory simpsons reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191322)

Why can't geeks count above 2? It must be a binary thing.

Re:obligatory simpsons reference (1)

schon (31600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191608)

Why can't geeks count above 2?

Actually, they can.

The previous poster must be a Gully Dwarf.

Something I learned from my DM: If a Gully Dwarf comes up to you and says there are two dragons around the corner, run!

Wiggum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191330)

actually, three times.

Re:obligatory simpsons reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191379)

Three times... count again. And it's called "a joke" :P

Website.... (3, Informative)

TheKubrix (585297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191292)

Since the interview was a bit sucky, here is the official site for Tron 2.0 [tron20.net], its got a pretty neat flash intro....worth a peek

there's also (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191492)

http://www.tronkillerapp.com

ow (1)

nightsweat (604367) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191336)

It meant a really sore neck from sitting all the way at the end of the first row because my stupid friends couldn't get their act together to get to theater on time opening night.

Speaking of Disney (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191352)

Anyone remember that Tron ride in Disneyland (which I believe is gone now), that was one dope ass ride, and by far the easiest one to get away with masturbat...er, I mean sex, ya.....heh....heh.....

Tron - blech (4, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191354)

Tron was a box office bomb. Some people in the industry said it set the adoption of CG in Hollywood back ten years.

In fact, much of the "CG" in Tron was hand-animated by some outsourced firm in Asia. The first movie to have "realistic CGI" was The Last Starfighter, with 27 minutes of CGI. Tron, except for the "light cycle" scene, did not have significant CGI.

Read this history of the field. [siggraph.org]

Re:Tron - blech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191402)

box office bomb or not, it was and still is a cult favorite.

It gets to sit with the likes of:

Rocky Horror Picture Show, Weird Al's UHF, Attack of the Killer Tomatos, et al

Nothing to stop Disney the corporation, which hasn't had a creative idea since Disney the man died, from cashing in on an ill-concieved sequel.

Re:Tron - blech-Reality check. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191472)

"Of course I'm flattered. Who wouldn't be? Anytime a work like this can go from one generation to the next, it means something. That's great. A major accomplishment. So many of the films that are being made today are going to end up in that bin at Blockbuster, where hundreds of tapes are priced at $3.99. I walk in there with my son and it's like a compost heap. And my son says, "Just think, Dad. All of these people, when they were making these movies, thought they were big shots. "

Out of the mouth of babes.

Re:Tron - blech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191476)

box office bomb or not, it was and still is a cult favorite.

It gets to sit with the likes of:

Rocky Horror Picture Show, Weird Al's UHF, Attack of the Killer Tomatos, et al


Cult favorite for who? Dorks? I never saw Tron (I was only 6 at the time it was released) and I have no interest in ever seeing it. The graphics are absolutely horrible. Even Star Wars IV was light years ahead of Tron!! What the fuck is anyone thinking calling this a good movie?

How about "The Black Hole" (1)

Latent Heat (558884) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191589)

Check out

http://www.space.com/sciencefiction/movies/black_h ole_retrospective_000602.html

if you had forgotten about that Disney ur-classic "The Black Hole."

Re:Tron - blech (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191646)

"I never saw Tron ... and I have no interest in ever seeing it. The graphics are absolutely horrible"

how do you know the graphics are so horrible when you haven't seen it? Dopey hypocrite that you are.

besides, the AC said 'cult favorite', which by definition has a small but loyal fanbase. Nothing he listed as an example was a 'good movie', either, but all have their followings.

The bit wasn't a bit! (3, Interesting)

Wee (17189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191366)

Remind me. What was the Bit?
It was just a bit - the increment that we could get out of computers at the time.

The computer's equivalent to an atom?
Exactly. A zero and a one. A positive or a negative.

NO! The bit in Tron wasn't a bit at all! It didn't have two states, on and off, yes and no, zero and 1... it had three states: 'yes', 'no', and 'stateless'. It would sit there until Flynn asked it a question and then it would answer yes or no. That's not two states. I don't mean to be a stick-in-the-mud, but it isn't.

Now, if they would have had the bit only say 'yes' when the answer to a question was yes (or vice versa: say nothing until the answer is no), then it would have been a bit. Nothing or yes, nothing or no: they should have picked one of those.

This is just something that's been bugging me since I was like 15 or so is all. Nothing to see, move along...

-B

Re:The bit wasn't a bit! (3, Funny)

dillon_rinker (17944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191433)

Possible answers...
- It was a quantum bit. It had no state until you observed it.
- It had five states: blank, "YES", "NO", "YESYESYESYESYES", and "NONONONONO"
- It was a beta version of the magic eight ball

Re:The bit wasn't a bit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191469)

But, until you measure the state of a bit, the state of that bit is inherently indeterminate, and therefore, from this we can deduce...

BANG!

Ugh...

Re:The bit wasn't a bit! (1)

DLWormwood (154934) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191550)

It didn't have two states, on and off, yes and no, zero and 1... it had three states: 'yes', 'no', and 'stateless'.

Actually, at a hardware level, this is an accurate depiction of a "bit." If a logic gate is not powered, it can't be said to have either a low or high state since it can't be measured. Chips and circuitry that handle multiple input or output pins will usually support a "high impedance" state; this allows a manufacturer to leave individual pins unconnected in a complex chip housing. For example, a chip implementing a 4-way AND gate without supporting high impedance would require the fourth pin to be connected high if only 3 inputs are needed. (And connected low in the case of an OR gate.)

Re:The bit wasn't a bit! (1)

squidfood (149212) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191585)

It would sit there until Flynn asked it a question and then it would answer yes or no.

Foolish, foolish geek.

What sits is but a Pointer.

Access it you must.

MCP=MS Windows (3, Informative)

dillon_rinker (17944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191389)

The MCP controlled access to the I/O system, or tried to. It died when a program got direct access to I/O. While it seemed to have the potential for much more, it spent a lot of its time on games. It obliterated other programs by absorbing their functionality. At its core, when everything else was stripped away, it had a teletype interface. Without it, the system had a lot more power (think CPU cycles). What it feared most was a debugging tool and it was destroyed by source code. (This last bit is clearly prophetic =)

Crypto biblical deal creeps me out (5, Insightful)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191398)

Of course, as it turns out, it's very funny.

At the time, the whole millenialist rigamarole, with computers serving as the mark of the beast, had not permeated popular culture.

Then, in this silly movie there are computer programs which get died red in order to show their obsequious obedience to antichrist, I mean to the Master Control Program.

It's an amusing transposition - much more amusing than it was at the time (oh, the commie/atheist/roman computer programs are forcing the christian computer programs to fight in gladiatorial games,) since computers themselves have had a lot of PR as instruments of Satan since then.

Q: Moby's live show has a grand finale where he takes a beam of light to the head and arcs his arm in a similar fashion to the grand finale of Tron... A: ... Anytime a work like this can go from one generation to the next, it means something ...

Moby was born in 1965. He's 38 years old. Come on.

Re:Crypto biblical deal creeps me out (2)

Luyseyal (3154) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191594)

If the bad guys had been blue, the Mouse would've faced a lawsuit from Big Blue!

-l

The Kool-Aid Man will PUNCH YOUR CROTCH (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191404)

The Kool-Aid Man will PUNCH YOUR CROTCH.

Re:The Kool-Aid Man will PUNCH YOUR CROTCH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191416)

mod this mofo up! you cute motherufkers!

Re:The Kool-Aid Man will PUNCH YOUR CROTCH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191584)

Yeah yeah yeah. Another ripoff of PUNCH THE MONKEY.

The Dreams of a boy... (1)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191410)

... when I was about 8 or so years old I saw tron - and at night I used to go to sleep praying that god would give me one of those bars that turned into the motorcycles from that one scene where they were racing in the grid (cant remember it too well now). I would awaken in the morning and look under my bed - but no magical motocycle rod was to be found. I did this for weeks after seeing that movie.

Re:The Dreams of a boy... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191487)

Mmm hmmm. No doubt the motorcycle would have allowed you to "rescue" your mother from the perverse sexual depredations that your father continually subjected her to.

Re:The Dreams of a boy... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191495)

... when I was about 8 or so years old I saw tron - and at night I used to go to sleep praying that god would give me one of those bars that turned into the motorcycles from that one scene where they were racing in the grid (cant remember it too well now). I would awaken in the morning and look under my bed - but no magical motocycle rod was to be found. I did this for weeks after seeing that movie.

This happens a lot in advanced cases of child abuse and rape. Your mind is screaming at you to run away from your broken home where your mother beats you and your father beats off onto you. You needed to tell a friend or a schoolteacher, not wish for a magical motorbike to save you.

Re:The Dreams of a boy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191574)

Does someone pay you to be this stupid?

Time Warp to 1981 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191419)

First it's Pitfall, then Tron.

What's next, an interview with the creator of parachute pants?

Filter Magazine (1)

Kylow (581998) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191459)

Actually, its from Filter Magazine, not aintitcool.

Re:Filter Magazine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191592)

it doesn't matter if it came from a cow's ass, it still sucks

Pick-up line (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4191539)

Most of you probably didn't know that one of the most effective pick-up lines is "Have you seen Tron?" It's enough to throw anyone off balance and then you can move along with, "I hear they're making a sequel."

If that doesn't work, ask about Gary Busey movies.

tron 2.0 (1)

tux-sucks (550871) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191557)

So is Tron 2 going to live up to the original, by sucking badly, and not make any sense to anyone except computer geeks? And then in 20 years we will all like it.

Seriously, I remember not too long ago hearing Steven Lisberger talking about how Tron "wasn't very good." It seems the new public's opinion and Disney's have somehow swayed his own.

Mod me down for being a skeptic.

worst dialogue ever. (1)

DonkeyJimmy (599788) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191621)

Remind me. What was the Bit?

It was just a bit--the increment that we could get out of computers at the time.

The computer's equivalent to an atom?

Exactly. A zero and a one. A positive or a negative.



I wish I could unread that.

AIC has ceased to be relevant (3)

Torgo's Pizza (547926) | more than 11 years ago | (#4191638)

Ain't It Cool has long ago transformed itself to Ain't It Crap. Far be it for me to troll on poor Harry; others do it better than I can ever do. It's just the "Local Boy Makes Town Proud" headline has faded and so has AIC.

This interview just bares this out. No interviewing skills demonstrated, meandering thought processes and the general kiss-ass attitude is just overbearing. This is hardly an endorsement for Filter Magazine [filter-mag.com]. Sheesh, if this is what they call content, then I'm moving my mouse over to the X button in a hurry.

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