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Linux Replacing Windows More Than Unix

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the tastes-so-good-shouldn't-you-switch dept.

Linux Business 428

LordNimon writes "Over the past couple years, we've been hearing several Linux migration stories, but they have been mostly migration from proprietary Unix systems rather than from Windows. Well, this story on News.com indicates otherwise: of the migrations, 24% were from Unix, but 31% were from Windows. Sounds promising."

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428 comments

Linux, Windows, what's the difference? (-1)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#4202991)

Linux sucks? sorry. fp.

One (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4202992)

is the loneliest number that you'll ever do.

Re:One (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203218)

You don't need braces, Donny!

Best.
Movie.
Evar!

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Re:Unofficial Slashdot FAQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203206)

HEY!

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Interesting but.. (5, Insightful)

Derkec (463377) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203004)

This is an interesting figure, but I'd like to see the numbers of migrations compared to past years. Is this flip because more people are converting from Windows or is it because those that are going to move from proprietary unix to Linux have already made the conversion. Are windows migrations increasing, or unix migrations decreasing? Or both, or what? This is an interesting stat, but fairly meaningless without more information...


maybe I need to read the article. :)

Re:Interesting but.. (2, Interesting)

archen (447353) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203158)

If I were to guess, I would say that the only reason Linux would displace Windows before Unix, is because there are a lot more windows boxes to replace. A buisness that has money to blow on a really expensive mission critical computer probably doesn't really care about the costs as long as it works. Windows on the other hand tends to end up in certain places in the medium end where Linux does very well also.

My only experience is where I work now. We've always had one central Unix server, that was just recently migrated to Linux (that's one). In the meantime if replaced a few Windows machines with Linux just because I found Linux easier to admin in those instances. I mean why in the hell would I pay all that money to MS for something like a backup server?

Re:Interesting but.. (2, Interesting)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203191)

WORD... I'd like to see more hardcore numbers.

31 percent were replacing Windows systems,

This means nothing IMHO. Let's say that 31 percent of the 225 companies, each with 500 NT servers, were replacing 1 IIS intranet box with an Apache box. That still counts as replacing, doesn't it?

This reminds me of a good Letterman quote:

"USA Today has come out with a new survey:
Apparently three out of four people make
up 75 percent of the population."

FU and Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203005)

Netcraft confirms...Linux is Dying

The best migration (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203011)

The coolest users migrate to the .test community instead.

Yeah (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203020)

Does that mean the other 46% left the mac?

Re:Yeah (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203034)

Does that mean the other 46% left the mac?
Ever heard of reading the article?
For those that have recently purchased new Linux servers, 31 percent were adding capacity, 31 percent were replacing Windows systems, 24 percent were replacing Unix and 14 percent were replacing other operating systems.

Re:Yeah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203047)

no, it means that 46% left Linux/Windows for OS X :)

Linux particularly replacing Windows NT and 2k (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203036)

Although it's not mentioned in the piece, what I find interesting is that it's old WinNT 4.0 installs as well as Win2k that are the most likely to be replaced by Linux.

This is workstations and servers primarily. Although that new $199 walmart Lindows box may start to skew things back towards the desktop market.

IMO Microsoft really shot themselves in the foot by planning to discontinue Windows 2000. Can you really imagine WinXP as a workstation tool? Not likely. I think we'll see more of the Linux replacements in the future. I think we'll also see a lot more Linux-loving fags openly declaring their love for other men's bowels. That's really the next stage for the linux community.

Re:Linux particularly replacing Windows NT and 2k (2, Insightful)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203127)

Can you really imagine WinXP as a workstation tool?

Yes! By all means. Most Linux fanatics just don't understand how configurable XP is. You can disable all themeing quite easily. It looks just like Windows 2000 in every respect. It's more stable as well.

This is akin to saying "Can you really imagine GNOME as a workstation tool? Or ... KDE as a workstation tool?" Get with the program, buddy, graphical is where technology is going. Just cause something doesn't boot to piss-poor console doesn't mean it's incapable.

In fact, I find my WinXP box more stable than our Linux programming labs at school. No bullshitting, either. I can thoroughly freeze the console in our Linux labs with not so much as a keypress. XP has yet to crash on me (and so had Windows 2000 yet to, before I switched).

I think we'll also see a lot more Linux-loving fags openly declaring their love for other men's bowels.

Hmm, don't know about that one. IHBT.

Re:Linux particularly replacing Windows NT and 2k (0)

Theom (567303) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203263)

It looks just like Windows 2000 in every respect. It's more stable as well.

So you say that w2k users get a $200 bugfix?

Re:Linux particularly replacing Windows NT and 2k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203274)

YAWF.
yet another windows fag.

Re:Linux particularly replacing Windows NT and 2k (2)

jelle (14827) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203275)

"It looks just like Windows 2000 in every respect"

And that is a pro?

Re:Linux particularly replacing Windows NT and 2k (2)

norweigiantroll (582720) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203279)

I can thoroughly freeze the console in our Linux labs with not so much as a keypress.

Yeah, Ctrl-S -- that's what's supposed to happen, stupid. Ctrl-Q to get it unstuck. It's called SCROLL LOCK, and just because Windows doesn't have this feature it doesn't mean you have to be so ignorant to assume it crashes.

And by the way, I can't imagine having no decent command line to do admin stuff on. Graphical tools are OK, but there's nothing like breaking out on a command line to quickly do your stuff, then writing scripts to do it all for you. Of course you have know what your doing, but if someone was hired as a sysadmin let's hope he'd know more than you.

Re:Linux particularly replacing Windows NT and 2k (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203197)

Discontinue support for 2000 -- what kind of fucking FUD is that supposed to be?

Microsoft still supports Windows 98 and NT 4.0 [microsoft.com] for crying out loud.

It Shouldn't Be Surprising... (2, Troll)

tealover (187148) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203045)

since Linux is looking more and more like Windows every day. I'm amazed at how much KDE tries to ape Windows rather than trying to adddress the problems of the Windows interface.

I fear that if Linux continues in this problem we may end the problem of being weighed down by a monopolistic regime but we will still not have bettered the PC computing environment.

Re:It Shouldn't Be Surprising... (2, Insightful)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203094)

Huh? KDE is just one project, although a really big one.

The kernel developers aren't going to turn it into a Windows clone. If you don't like KDE just use something else. I think that'll get us the best of both worlds. Those who migrate from Windows will find a similar environment. Those who like the command line will get the command line. If it becomes similar to OS X, then almost everybody should be happy with it.

Re:It Shouldn't Be Surprising... (2, Insightful)

Dthoma (593797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203097)

Yes, but even if the main distros of Linux do turn into some ghastly copy of Windows, the situation is still very salvageable since someone else can just pick up the source code and fix it.

Whereas with Windows these days you're effectively paying $BIGNUM for what is pretty much a long-term lease rather than proper ownership of a buggy operating system which intrudes on your privacy.

Re:It Shouldn't Be Surprising... (1)

N1KO (13435) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203141)

Maybe the majority of users want an interface that looks like the win95/macos one. Another thing, kde has some improvements over the windows ui (like dockapps, borrowed from nextstep of course).

Then there's fluxbox which is just a plain window manager with tabs and tries to be as minimalistic as possible. Speaking as a "migrated" windows user i love the simplicity (and speed) of fluxbox.

Re:It Shouldn't Be Surprising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203166)

I'm amazed at how much KDE tries to ape Windows rather than trying to adddress the problems of the Windows interface

Perhaps they're using the Embrace And Extend technique, that MS are famous for. We'll start by copying them, then once people are onboard we can migrate/improve!

Re:It would Be shocking... (0)

noshellswill (598066) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203252)

Replace slick as a horny rattlesnake in a can of boiling olive oil WINx with obscure, whiny el-kludg0 KDE?? ohmeohmy read the article, byte-boyz ... it said Linux wuz replacing windows SERVERS, not Lusr GUIs ... jeeez the only Window GUIs being replaced by Linux are located in walls! Bare blank panes-of-glass on rainy dayz ...

I love stastistics (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203046)

31% of what? The 3 retards you invited to answer your stupid poll?

Need groupware? (4, Interesting)

Openadvocate (573093) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203050)

It's good, very good indeed, but I am still looking for a groupware solution. I am working with different startup companies from time to time and when i get the chance to get UNIX in from the start, it's great. :) And with *BSD, linux, whatever you can get a fileserver webserver, router, firewall up and running. So I need a groupware system with email, calendar etc, like you get with Notes, Exchange, GroupWise etc. You should also be able to get agents to sync with your PDA's. I remember seeing a Suse dist. with Notes once, but is it still available and Notes seems like a big mouthful when you are only 10 people. But then again there's room to grow with it.

Re:Need groupware? (1)

voicebox (516987) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203183)

There are a couple of web-based solutions available - try phpGroupWare [phpgroupware.org] or TUTOS. [tutos.org]

Evolve (3, Interesting)

Myuu (529245) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203196)

Evolution has really caught the attention of a lot of people in your position. It acts like Outlook and works with Exchange, but isnt filled with the M$ vuln. Plus it does a damn good job with pda compatibility. I know that there is a pilot conduit built in and they have it syncing with the zaurus pdas (not sure about pocket pc).

I really think that Evolution is one of the best products out there, I switched from kmail to it.

Plus, it's free (dont think its oss).

Re:Evolve (0)

chez69 (135760) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203250)

Evolution is completely free as in OSS.

Re:Evolve (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203276)

Evolution still doesn't address the groupware need for a shared calendar/mail client/server system a la' Outlook/Exchange.

When this happens, lookout!

and the winner is? (4, Funny)

Kenja (541830) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203052)

so....
24% were from Unix
31% where from Windows
45% where from what, Amiga?


I'm as allways suspect of these numbers and how they arived at them.

Re:and the winner is? (5, Informative)

jonestor (443666) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203067)

From the article . . .
For those that have recently purchased new Linux servers, 31 percent were adding capacity, 31 percent were replacing Windows systems, 24 percent were replacing Unix and 14 percent were replacing other operating systems.

Re:and the winner is? (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203088)

Missed that somehow. So there is only a 14% mystery meat content.

Re:and the winner is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203104)

Netware and OS/2, I was thinking.

Re:and the winner is? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203186)

Netware and OS/2, I was thinking.

How 'bout Macintapple?

Apple would be in the 24% (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203246)

How 'bout Macintapple?

Machines running Mac OS X Server would be included in the "Single UNIX Specification based non-Linux operating system" (24%) category. (Mac OS X Server has been out since during the OS 8.5 days.)

Re:and the winner is? (4, Insightful)

danheskett (178529) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203185)

Novell - its gotta be a good portion of that 14%.

Re:and the winner is? (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203225)

Could be. However IMHO Novell is far better at what it does then Linux. Linux running with Novell would be one thing, but I cant see anyone dropping the NFS and NDS for the XFS and Samba.

Math ..... (2)

taniwha (70410) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203245)

actually if you're comparing where people are converting from you have to read the article - 31% of the systems bought were just expanding existing Linux systems and 14% were from other OSs - if you remove the 31% who were upgrading and just consider those who were actually changing OSs you get:

  • 45% moving from Windows
  • 35% moving from other unix systems
  • 20% moving from other OSs

Even Better... (5, Insightful)

WEFUNK (471506) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203061)

...of the migrations, 24% were from Unix, but 31% were from Windows.

On first reading I was wondering what operating systems could possibly make up the missing 45%, but it's not 31% and 24% of the *migrations* but of the total new Linux servers:

"For those that have recently purchased new Linux servers, 31 percent were adding capacity, 31 percent were replacing Windows systems, 24 percent were replacing Unix and 14 percent were replacing other operating systems."

So as a percentage of migrations, nearly half are Linux replacing Windows (maybe over 50% replacing MS systems including DOS):

45% Windows to Linux
35% Unix to Linux
20% Other to Linux

Re:Even Better... (2)

phraktyl (92649) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203112)

This makes the numbers much more clear, but I'm still not sure that they really reflect the current state of Linux migrations.

How many servers were purchased with Windows (as in, didn't have another choice) and then reloaded with Linux upon arrival? How many older servers have been reloaded with Linux?

I bet the numbers would be much higher...

Wyatt

Re:Even Better... (2, Informative)

boskone (234014) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203248)

traditionally, you buy servers without an OS, then you use an Open license agreement to buy your windows OS and Client access licenses. It's not like desktops...

Where do you get 45%? (2)

barzok (26681) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203130)

Unless you're counting "Other" and "added capacity" as "well, they would have run Windows on them, so we'll count it as a steal" I don't see it.

Re:Where do you get 45%? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203162)

The key is MIGRATIONS. Added capacity!=migrations. Of the servers bought, 69% were migrations, and 31% were migrations from windows. 31/69=45%.

Re:Where do you get 45%? (2, Informative)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203177)

"For those that have recently purchased new Linux servers, 31 percent were adding capacity, 31 percent were replacing Windows systems, 24 percent were replacing Unix and 14 percent were replacing other operating systems."

Bad at math? It's OK, I heard on CNN that 50% of all people are below average in math.

In any case:

From those numbers, 69% of new installations were migrations, the rest were "adding capacity".

31% of total new installations were replacing legacy Windows systems.

31%/69% is about 45%. 45% of all migrations to Linux were from legacy Windows systems.

Re:Where do you get 45%? (2)

seanadams.com (463190) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203238)

Bad at math? It's OK, I heard on CNN that 50% of all people are below average in math.

Clearly, if you don't know the difference between the average and the median, then you fall into the lower 50% of something or other... :)

Re:Where do you get 45%? (0)

Theom (567303) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203287)

It would be a coincidence for the average to hit the middle. But I guess you know that...

I want to see TV ads... (5, Funny)

EvilAlien (133134) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203064)

... something like Apple's lame Switch ads. I want to see some former cleancut Windows drone become a greasy hairy Linux hippy. I want to see a former bowtie-wearing AIX admin pull on shorts, sandals, and a Tux tshirt.

Maybe Redhat could get some mileage out of this.

How can you tell that it is near the end of the work day in my timezone and I desparately need to be entertained?

Re: I want to see TV ads... (2, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203184)


> ... something like Apple's lame Switch ads. I want to see some former cleancut Windows drone become a greasy hairy Linux hippy. I want to see a former bowtie-wearing AIX admin pull on shorts, sandals, and a Tux tshirt.

Shouldn't be any problem. Take a greasy hairy Linux hippy like... most of us... and film the second half of the commercial, then give him a shower a trim and a girdle, and dress him up to film the first half of the commercial.

Re: I want to see TV ads... (2)

dillon_rinker (17944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203204)

rolling on the floor busting a gut laughing

A clarification... Expansion != Migration. (4, Interesting)

The_Guv'na (180187) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203066)


For those that have recently purchased new Linux servers, 31 percent were adding capacity, 31 percent were replacing Windows systems, 24 percent were replacing Unix and 14 percent were replacing other operating systems.

Purchasing a new (additional) server is not a migration, Thankyouverymuch. e.g. I was born June '82, I did not migrate. :)

Ali

Re:A clarification... Expansion != Migration. (1, Informative)

LordNimon (85072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203100)

It is migration. Of all the new Linux systems purchased, 31% of them are being used to replace a Windows system. So the Windows system gets thrown out, and a shiny new Linux system replaces it. That's a migration combined with an upgrade.

Now kids, that's the sorta post... (1)

The_Guv'na (180187) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203194)


...that happens when someone runs outta coffee!

One 31% is replacements, and another 31% is adding capacity.

Ali

Linux is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203069)

The hype is starting to die down and people are getting clued to the fact that BSD > *linux.

Where are the rest coming from? (0, Redundant)

D.A. Zollinger (549301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203070)

24% from Unix, 31% from Windows - That only makes up 55% of the migrations to linux. Where are the other 45% of migrations coming from?

try reading the article. (1)

rizawbone (577492) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203120)

duh.

Sounds about right to me (0)

slainfu (528905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203071)

With all the doom-mongers saying that Linux is failing as a viable desktop replacement, this just tells the story how it is. Linux is catching up. I'd expect this margin to increase dramatically over the next 12-18 months.

31 % adding capacity. (5, Insightful)

Forge (2456) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203075)

That is the REAL encoraging sign.

Sure there is the odd case of an incorectly sized server being put to a task it can't manage.

However most "Adding Capacity" is from satisfide customers who are moving other services to the platform in question or even better have grown the business so much that they need to buy more and/or biger machines.

Re:31 % adding capacity. (2, Insightful)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203227)

Or, the other case I see as probably being common, they are adding another new Linux server, but keeping their legacy Windows or Novell system around because it works for them, and just running both of them, waiting until they have time to finish the migration and totally ditch the old server.

That is the current situation at my workplace (Novell), and I know we aren't alone. These phased migrations are hard to measure statistically, since there isn't a trackable event (like a purchase) when a company decides to finally ditch the old system.

93% of statistics are made up on the spot (3, Insightful)

wackybrit (321117) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203077)

Statistics are nice to look at, but often have glaring loopholes that some people choose to conveniently look over.

The biggest problem with this survey is that Unix usage has gone through the roof in the last two years with the advent of Mac OS X.

Since people who have Mac OS X are technically 'UNIX users', but are unlikely to uninstall OS X to run Yellow Dog Linux, it is fair to say that less UNIX users that ever are going over to Linux. Why? Because they're happy staying on BSD.

BSD classifies as 'UNIX'.. and we need to remember a LOT of people are going over to BSD from old style UNIX. Yet.. they aren't factored in here. Legacy UNIX to BSD is not taken into account, when really it's a pretty important shift.

Mac/BSD people are too self important apparently (4, Insightful)

polarbear (611) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203283)

Free clues for BSD fans:

1. The percentages were for _servers_. Sorry, but apple's server market share is like 0.00001% right now ;P Every mac "server" I've seen so far in the "real world" is a lowend fileserver for a cluster macs hidden in some publishing office.

2. The only people (numerious enough to be of any statistical relevance) "migrating" to MacOS X are Mac desktop users upgrading from Macs and a small number of windows/linux/whatever converts (though judging from apple's sales figures those probably fall into "not statistically relevant")

3. I love when BSD fans latch onto Mac OS X and say stuff like "see! BSD is more used then Linux!" blah blah blah. Meanwhile most people don't give two hoots about any BSD parts of the OS (they don't see it, don't really program for it). And proprietary apple-only APIs are what developers use to get the most out of the hardware and operating system. Sorry, but your average well written native apple app is about as BSD as Windows NT is UNIX (tm) Photoshop for FreeBSD anyone? Yeah... I thought so...

Oh well... time to get mod'd ( -1, The Truth Hurts )

Moderators on crack. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203289)

+1 Funny? WTF are you on?

Re:93% of statistics are made up on the spot (2)

tempest303 (259600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203290)

ok, are there ANY numbers that back this up? I keep hearing AGAIN and AGAIN about how people are migrating to OS X in droves or something, but I never hear numbers to back it up - it's just gushing from Mac fanatics. Also, are these people moving from Wintel, Linux, et al, or from older versions of Mac OS? I don't doubt that there are numbers on this somewhere, but I have yet to see them.

Anyone?

(finally, yes, I realize the irony of asking for statistics from a post that has a subject line like that. ;-)

Multimedia (1)

VB (82433) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203078)


I'm not so sure if the limitations in audio and video applications are due to the i386 architecture or Windows, but I'm inclined to think it's more a software problem than a hardware problem. I love Linux for the limited things it does so well and reliably, but really wish there were more creative applications for Linux than there are. Lately, I've been taxing my Win2k (yes, I actually own one of them) with Cakewalk, Soundforge, MidiQuest tasks and it's starting to really feel the pain (can't make it run for several days at a time any longer, yet I think that's because of ColdFusion MX and that damned cfmail tag).

I'm starting to get really envious of all those MacHeads who seem to always stick with their beloved Apples. Frankly, I left the Mac in '93 because OS 7+ was such a freaking disaster to try and work with, but now that OS X is coming of age and all those OS 9-- applications are getting ported over, perhaps there's a brighter future for artist applications like ProTools and Adobe Photoshop. I mean, it's not like it takes too many switches to do a gcc ProTools.c on one architecture over the other does it? >:)

Perhaps we'll find out whether it's the hardware architecture or the operating system that's limited productive creative applications sooner than we think. We just need those Windows users to keep jumping ship; since the MacHeads don't appear to be willing to do so...

Re:Multimedia (1)

narfbot (515956) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203255)

hi,

I'm not so sure if the limitations in audio and video applications are due to the i386 architecture or Windows, but I'm inclined to think it's more a software problem than a hardware problem.


It's definately a Software problem--more specifically it's Windows. Sucky audio and video was the exact reason I switched from Windows to Linux. In Linux it's quite simply better! I'll explain.

I love Linux for the limited things it does so well and reliably, but really wish there were more creative applications for Linux than there are.


Yes there are! MPlayer is simply the best encoder/decoder I've ever seen. It is very optimized, and plays the most formats very well. I imagine that I can write a good video editing program with it, but I recently heard of a new KEncoder front-end for MEncdoer. So I'll have to try it. There are other programs out there, but Linux is for sure nicer for my everyday things than Windows.

Perhaps we'll find out whether it's the hardware architecture or the operating system that's limited productive creative applications sooner than we think. We just need those Windows users to keep jumping ship; since the MacHeads don't appear to be willing to do so...


I really don't think there's anything wrong with the x86 PC architecture. I usually build my comp from scratch so I go x86 no matter what (sorry I don't do Mac). I like my own custom edge on everything. But when your in the business of whole pre-built computers, comparing x86 versus Mac PPC, they are virtually the same, performance, and price (although you do have many more options and probably get a better deal on PC's, and Mac's are slightly more expensive, but hey cost isn't that important usually). But hey Apple might go to intel platform so... either way... no difference.

Linux servers (5, Interesting)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203080)

This article seems to deal mostly with servers and corporations. What about desktop users and/or other home users.
While there are probably a lot of corps out there thinking about switching to linux from unix/windows, there are also an increasing amount of home users searching for an alternate desktop environment.
I wonder how this might tally if things such as linux firewalls, mp3 servers, and other more custom uses were considered?

*giggle* (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203085)

how you like this?? go fuck yourself, bill gate!!!!

Hmm (1)

extra the woos (601736) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203092)

Some questions that need to be asked. Unix has many flavors. Were the free BSD variations included in this? If so is switching from say Open BSD to linux a "good thing"? Also, unix and linux are similar, so changing from unix to linux and changing from windows to linux can't really be compared imho. Also what is the missing percentage? Amiga? :) This doesn't really prove anything, as the statistics aren't really comparable. What i'd like to know is how succesful (maybe percentage) of people are upgrading their old widows desktops to linux, instead of going to xp!

the numbers are wrong... (1)

phigga (526030) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203096)

100% of the people who switch are coming from the Windows side...

Haven't you all seen those commercials with the people talking in front of the white background?

What do you mean, I'm an idiot?

Anything to do with Windows = Big Numbers (2, Informative)

narfbot (515956) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203103)

Whatever way you take it, the number of people switching from windows to linux will automatically be big, because numbers of windows users vastly outnumber unix. I'm a total convert from windows to linux. A couple of people that I got to at least try linux, are windows users. Come to think about it I didn't know anybody that really used another Nix, until I remember someone that briefly said he used to know Unix commands. I might get him to try linux, I wouldn't have thought he would even be considered a Unix user, because he uses Windows now mainly anyway!

But another way to take this, is that linux seen in the eyes of these converts, has either A) gui interface acceptible to a previous windows user, or B) easy to use, but more powerful.

Switching to Jaguar is the final step (1)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203107)

Windows to Linux to OS X.

The logical progression to usability, reliability and underlying power.

Re:Switching to Jaguar is the final step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203144)

I.e., BSD saves the day. ;) And they say *BSD is dying!

Re:Switching to Jaguar is the final step (2)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203148)

For a company who tries to save money, switching to a more expensive platform after all personnel have already learned how to use Linux and simultanously risking compatibility loss, is completely illogical.

Re:Switching to Jaguar is the final step (1)

MalleusEBHC (597600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203229)

Yeah, but for a home user who hated M$ and switched to Linux cuz they weren't ready to buy a new computer yet, getting a spiffy new Mac, going to Jaguar, and leaving the headaches of Linux behind couldn't be more logical.

Re:Switching to Jaguar is the final step (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203222)

Windows to Linux to OS X

Yeah, that's real logical...

"We have this existing hardware running Windows. Instead of upgrading to the latest version of Windows, which will require us to buy all new hardware, we can install Linux!"

Then...

"We have this existing hardware running Linux. We can save money by throwing it all away and buying... umm, wait..."

OSX isnt a good jump from linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203243)

osx is fine from os9 or windows, but when ur used to
linux or bsd, osx isnt really that great, its slow, and the UI is pretty, but not very custom. i prefer debian with fluxbox, mabe rox filer too, on my mac.

Not surprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203121)

Maybe it's just a sign of bad economic times that people are dropping a good/expensive operating system for an inferior (but free) one.

I'll respond as if this was not a troll (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203201)

because as it is, the comment does have merit if looked at from certain angles. At its core, Linux has a much more stable, robust and extendable architecture... this translating to more secure, more reliable, etc. however, the problem Linux faces is not technology but social. Many developers and packagers have in the past shown a complete lack of discipline, order or consistency on major parts of the 'Linux System' as a whole. While on the surface, this is seen as good for those that want to dabble and hack, as many businesses are realizing (or suck it up stupidly because they DONT realize) it takes more than coding to develop a program.

Perhaps the infant but rapidly growing trend of documentation, standards (not just in protocols you know...), conventions, and changes will take hold and flourish. It would be great to see a patch released for 'application X' that does not REQUIRE anyone to upgrade any dependent libs, dependent apps, daemons, etc. It woulc be nice to just download and patch it much like a user can with Windows. It would also be nice to have a straight forward GUI system that actually WORKS and does not require retooling the entire system just to get it to respond correctly. I guess this goes back to the Linux as a Desktop is [dead, alive, undead, etc] argument, but while it is great as a CLI and services platform, it stinks for Joe User as a desktop. However, this is soon to be a statement only true in the past to which I am happy.

Lets show some discipline, coders. Of course the 'blame' is not really them as much as the maintainers. If you receive hacked code, then only put it in the bin for 'proof of concepts' or ideas... don't put it in the system unless you simply are not smart or experienced enough to understand the mid to long term folly of that action. After all, if you lived or worked on the 10th floor, you could very well jump out your window to beat waiting at the elevator, stairs and entrance. But would that extra saved time stack well against the extra time it takes for you to limp to your destination, the money to patch you up, or the pain that you experience each step? PLAN AHEAD! or... just hack like a 15 year old and enjoy the feeling of a very hard coded, unstable 'spit and bubble gum' program that you must walk on eggshells around... oh wait, that is MS :)

Smug faces (2, Insightful)

eddy (18759) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203125)

"The remainder (46 percent) noted they didn't own and weren't considering Linux."

Somehow I can just picture the smug faces of managers answering this, like they're real proud to be MS-fanboys :-}

Re:Smug faces (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203203)

I can just picture the smug linux fan-boys on Slashdot posting about the managers who weren't considering Linux.. Like they're proud of it. (-:

Its all relative (1)

MakerBreaker (583711) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203126)

24% from Unix and 31% from Windows ... look at the difference in the size of the install base! The 31% that convered from Windows are probably 0.01% of the total users, whereas 24% could be somewhere like 0.5% of Unix users.

The real question (1)

joyoflinux (522023) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203136)

The real question is how many companies actually migrate. I have heard a lot about big companies migrating to Linux, but what is the radio of Windows to Linux overall? This is good news, though.

Good licensing scheme needed (1, Troll)

anonymous_wombat (532191) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203159)

I am sure that M@crosoft will continue to support this trend with outrageous licensing schemes, building more DRM hacks into the operating system, etc. After Linus, they are the biggest supporters of Linux.

Well, they are!!!

Is not flamebait!!

Whoa (1)

joyoflinux (522023) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203160)

Whoa Whoa. Hold up. I thought every one was switching to Apple [apple.com] . ;)

Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics (1)

Kakarat (595386) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203172)

"Aw, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forty percent of all people know that." -Homer

Still I believe those numbers are a little higher than that. Maybe not for full production use, but everywhere I look I see a lot of people switching over to linux to provide a low cost alternative to M$.

31% of nothing is still nothing (3, Insightful)

jkirby (97838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203173)

Percentages mean nothing unless we have the numbers used to calculate the percentages. 31% of 10 is not such a big deal; 31% of 100 million, on the other hand, is significant.

Understandable (2, Funny)

frodo from middle ea (602941) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203180)

Ok here is the deal, If i have a kick-ass Solaris m/c which i bough 2 years ago (was kick-ass back then).
Solaris technology has not changed so much to force me to upgrade the hardware. I can always download the latest solaris OS and keep my m/c uptodate.
Same goes for other propritory *nix boxes.
Now on the other hand, I bought a WinNT Server two years ago. Somehow i have managed to work with it.
but now if i want to upgrade to XP, i have no choice but to buy the latest x86 based hardware.
Plus the trackrecord of M$ for security and stability is also at the back of my mind
Now if i dont want to upgarde my x86 based hardware every two years then a lean-mean version of linux makes more sence.
As in current economy I dont have the budget to buy a Solaris box.
If your company doesn't want to keep pace with the x86 based hardware upgrades, then LINUX is the BEST choice out there. Install it and forget about it.

Makes sense...now (1)

Snoochie Bootchie (58319) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203189)

If I were to guess at where there was the most potential for conversion from Windows to Linux, I'd guess low- to mid-end engineering apps (e.g. FPGA synthesis, place & route, simulation). It used to be that all engineering apps only an on UNIX (Solaris or HPUX). Then, these apps migrated to Windows. However, Windows was a terrible mess until recently for such apps. While Win2K has become a servicable platform for such apps, it's just "not the same" as the app under UNIX. Linux offers the same advantage experienced in the bygone days under Solaris/HPUX with the cost benefit of a free OS and inexpensive, powerful hardware.

MacOS X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203190)

I hate to break it to you, but the *nix war is over. Linux has lost. BSD is by far more accepted now than Linux is. MacOS X has it all: The ability to run commercial apps, the ability to run every app linux/bsd does, better support, and it has a hell of a lot better UI than any linux window manager. KDE/Gnome are a JOKE compared to OSX. You might as well get over the linux HYPE. The GNU commies have lost, BSD/OSX has won. It'll be ok, you might get over it, and maybe, JUST MAYBE, get actual lives.

Umm. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4203205)

It's funny how no one is mentioning that this article is about migration to linux SERVERS. It isn't a corporation changing all thier workstations, or anything worthwhile. Linux is great for a server, who needs more proof of that? They day it is an acceptable desktop replacement, well, we will have to wait and see when that happens. All hippies and commies do is conform.

Linux hurts Unix more than Windows (2)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203217)

Since there are way more Windows installations than Unix installations, the fact that 24% of the migrations are from Unix and 31% are from Windows means that Linux is hitting Unix WAY harder than it is hitting Windows.

Microsoft ad? (1)

cstrommen (254974) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203237)

Is it just me, or does anybody else here find it weird to go to a slashdot article about Linux and migration from Windows and find an ad for Microsoft Visual Studio .net right below the article (if you're not getting the ad, try to refresh a couple of times, I don't know if that will do it, but it's worth a shot).

Since when did slashdot start to advertise for Microsoft products?

Where's the margin of error? (1)

ClosedSource (238333) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203253)

Statistically valid surveys always quote their margin of error. If there isn't any, this survey is probably not representative of the industry at large.

My company switched and i'm working on my parent (1)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203270)

company (I've got 1 linux server in the door).

It's simple economics, instead of spending time chasing down licenses you spend time improving your offerings.

The only proprietary system we use (outside the desktop) is oracle on solaris(sparc) but that is one of those things you'll never convince a CIO that Linux/Oracle 9i == Sun/Oracle 9i (which is true I guess if you look at the cost of servers, since sun is very expensive to run).

We've Done Both Migrations at Once! (5, Informative)

GroundBounce (20126) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203271)

Our company (admittedtly a small one - around 35 people) has done both migrations at the same time and have saved a ton of money in the process.

We are an engineering company, and used to have two computers on every desk - a UNIX workstation (combination of Suns and HPs) for the "real work", and a Windoze PC for things like email and documentation. Now, these have both been replaced by Athlon 2000+ machines running Linux. The main thing we were waiting for was the UNIX EDA software (from Mentor Graphics [mentor.com] ) to be ported to Linux. We now use mainly OpenOffice for documentation and Evolution/Kmail (depending on personal preference) for email.

The combination of ditching the expensive workstation hardware and the MS Office software has made the basic platform really cheap. The main cost, however, is still the EDA software, but even that is coming down. The added side benefit is less computer clutter and much simpler system administration.

We're Making The Move (3, Insightful)

stoolpigeon (454276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203280)

When I came to my current job- the I.S. Director thought Linux was 'hacker junk'.

Well a lot of factors have come together and now he comes to me on a regular basis and says- "find me something open source that does such and such" We have 2 Linux servers up and running and we are looking to move a bunck of our desktops to Linux (using a browser for their apps)

The main driving reason has been cost.

.

Linux Replacing (sic) Windows more than Unix (1, Redundant)

SkewlD00d (314017) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203285)

The efforts of Lindows and WineX seem to be counter-OSS, big businesses seem more interested in exploiting OSS than actually giving back to the community. Granted, there are a few businesses that help the OSS movement, but the carrier-class and business apps/server manufacturers are interested only in what OSS can get them for free, without ever releasing any source or adding patches to the community. Then there's the shizters out there that claim to be OSS that have these so-called Open Licenses (*cough* Apple) that are really trying to use code for free. And there are the projects that were open source and free (*cough* MySQL) that turn into payware developed by the community. These cases really show the need to assignment copyright over to the FSF, so that maintainers/contributors dont destroy great OSS projects.

Linux isn't so great... (0, Troll)

evilviper (135110) | more than 11 years ago | (#4203292)

Well, you usually hear this as an off-topic troll, but I'm willing to risk a few mod points to be a voice of sanity.

Linux really isn't that great compared to other Unices. It is the media darling, partly because it fits the "built in someone's garage" cliche. It really is an alternative to Windows, and not Unix systems.

Linux rarely gets used on big iron. The only time you'll hear about some fast set of machines is in something like a cluster, for non-mission-critical applications. Even IBM, the diehard supporters of Linux, will openly admits that it just can't compete with AIX.

My personal opinion as to why... It has always just been something cool to hack away at. Very little work has been done to get security and stability overall. As an example, take the filesystem, EXT2.
Anyone who has used Linux for more than a week has had an Ext2 filesystem get corrupted. While I realize that there are other filesystems now, and that example is out-dated, I haven't used Linux extensively for a while, so any examples I give will be outdated.

More than that there are consistency problems. So much work is going into adding new features as quickly as possible, that stability, consistency, and ease of use just goes out the window. Compiling a new kernel should be a simple process (and one that should be unessecary) but instead gives you tons of kernel modules that are unuseable. Not a show-stopper, just another little problem that will take more time.

Linux development just has the Windows' attitude... Not a Unix attitude. I can't speak for anyone else (although it statistically looks like I do) but I don't think Linux has a chance against stable, secure, consistent, high-performance systems. I just think of it as a geek toy... Like a Dreamcast.
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