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Perpetual Motion Delorean?

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the only-needs-to-reach-88-mph dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 569

An anonymous reader writes "An electric-powered Delorean that can supposedly go "hundreds of miles" at speeds over 100MPH without stopping to recharge will be tested today beginning at 8am at the Nashville Superspeedway. They claim the vehicle uses 12 standard car batteries, so the invention appears to relate to recharging the batteries." I found a website offering current updates on the demonstration of this perpetual motion device: it appears they've suffered mechanical difficulties and cancelled the test.

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569 comments

But.. (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213288)

How much will it cost to replace the batteries once they're dead?

Re:But.. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213336)

If the batteries are decent absorbed glass mat lead-acid deep-discharge batteries like Hawker or Optima, expect to pay $150-$175 each.

Re:But.. (1)

Russellkhan (570824) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213363)

According to the site it currently runs on 12 standard car batteries, so you're looking at standard prices unless and until they switch over to some newer, more high tech style of battery system.

Russ

Re:But.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213392)

SLA (starter/lights/accessories) batteries? Ok, then that's a lot less. I was thinking more alomg the terms of an EV which would make use of deep-discharge units.

I don't know if that's such a good idea. SLA's are not designed for long periods of heavy discharge, even if they are being recharged by some "overunity" device. It could ruin the batteries.

Next week on the Simpsons (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213289)

Homer does something silly!

The Simpsons: Corporate Mind Control (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213467)

The Simpsons is insidious corporate tool designed to use irony and cynicsm to lure people into complacency.

The show undercuts all efforts at acheiving positive social change with ridicule. It makes viewers think they are sophisticated by sneering at efforts to improve the state of society. In reality, these viewers are just becoming bleating sheep.

Just look at a site like Slashdot.org, supposedly visited by intelligent people. Among these geeks, mere parrotting of lines from the show passes for genuine cleverness. Sad they don't realize that they have surrendured the ability to think for themselves to a frivolous cartoon.

The enormous market of Simpsons-licensed crap like T-shirts and mousepads completes the circle. Meek, sheeplike Simpson-drones become good little consumers and buy all the junk, lining the pockets of the Fox corporation even as they think buying a Bart Simpson mug constitutes some kind of transgressive act. It is beyond sad.

WAKE UP! TURN OFF THE DAMN TV!

Oh please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213291)

Going back and forth in time is NOT perpetual motion!

Kind of remembers me... (1)

spedrosa (44674) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213295)

of an old movie where a kid makes a ship powered by his computer and a 9 volt battery...

Re:Kind of remembers me... (2)

Knife_Edge (582068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213356)

What was that called? It had River Phoenix in it, if I remember correctly. They had some kind of magical alien circuit design that would allow them to generate a force field or something and they used that to surround a ship, right?

Re:Kind of remembers me... (1)

quarter (14910) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213371)

Explorers [imdb.com]

Re:Kind of remembers me... (2)

benwb (96829) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213362)

The one where they steal a car from an amusement park ride, and the computer create a force field around it? Damn it, my day is ruined now. I can't remember the title.

Re:Kind of remembers me... (1)

Christopher Thomas (11717) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213386)

The one where they steal a car from an amusement park ride, and the computer create a force field around it? Damn it, my day is ruined now. I can't remember the title.

That would be Explorers [imdb.com] . Fun movie.

The big thing about the force fields was that they cancelled _inertia_, allowing near-instant acceleration/decelleration without pasting the occupants. This is mentioned briefly by the "nerd" character near the beginning of the film.

Re:Kind of remembers me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213448)

They keep sending the batteries back to the future ^W past when they were fully charged. Only problem is that it needs 1.41GW jump start.

Does it use the Casimir Effect? (2, Insightful)

selectspec (74651) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213298)

The first posts today are more exciting that this story.

Inventors of this car (3, Funny)

egg troll (515396) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213301)

I understand that this car was created by two professors named Pons and Fleischmann, so it must be true!

Re:Inventors of this car (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213395)

Ah yes.. the cold fusion guys. I remember them.

P.S. - I still love you.

If I remember correctly (2, Funny)

squarefish (561836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213302)

from bad 80's jokes: isn't the Delorean the one that always follows the white lines better than others?

Re:If I remember correctly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213317)

Yea, because it rides on snow tires!

Re:If I remember correctly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213378)

"Is the quality of this cocaine satisfactory, Mr. Delorean?"

"As good as gold."

Re:If I remember correctly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213447)

John Delorean was never convicted on any drug charges.

On another note, the thing i see wrong with this car is: the weight. Stainless steel isnt very light.

News at 11 (1)

Kong the Medium (232629) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213304)

2nd Law of thermodynamics found broken and aginst the constituiton ...

Re:News at 11 (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213340)

While I find this story to be astoundingly dubious (to the point that I'd hope that if any $ are involved that the FBI keeps a close eye), I find many of the "laws of thermodynamics" references on here to be absurdly incorrect: The laws of thermodynamics state that energy degrades to heat, not that there is some specific arbitrary maximum efficiency.

Re:News at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213368)

The 2nd law [berkeley.edu] does define the maximum efficiency of a heat engine.

Re:News at 11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213405)

Everything you need to know about entropy and the 2nd law is right here [mp3s.com] .

Re:News at 11 (1)

Kong the Medium (232629) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213377)

This references is as correct as humanly possible.It's 23.00 CEST.It's News. It's for nerds.

Ok, i misspelled against, but the 2nd law of thermodynamics (look it up. [google.com] ) states nothing about efficiency.

Re:News at 11 (1)

DasBub (139460) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213396)

Have you ever heard of Carnot Efficiency?

Get educated [uiuc.edu] .

Ob Simpsons (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213345)

Homer to Lisa: In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

Will it be able to reach 88 miles per hour? (5, Funny)

Navius Eurisko (322438) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213305)

I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. :)

Re:Will it be able to reach 88 miles per hour? (2)

AntiNorm (155641) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213331)

I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. :)

I would think so, since the article (and the writeup here on Slashdot even!) says 'over 100 MPH'...

To copy the from dept line? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213343)

I believe this was from the from the only-needs-to-reach-88-mph dept.

If your going to make a bad pun at-least don't copy it from the bloody post.

Depends how much juice those batteries provide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213346)

'One point twenty one jiggawatts' is what it takes from memory.

(I write this on a PC with a jiggabit of RAM, connected to the internet via jiggabit ethernet).

Re:Depends how much juice those batteries provide (2)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213365)

Ya know, I thought it was stupid too. Up until I met a physics professor and a scientist from Sri Lanka who both pronounced "Giga" as 'jigga'. That's when I found out that during the 50s (and in some places in the world today), the preferred pronuciation is with a soft G sound. They were being historically accurate, and the geeks who *think* they know better made fun of them.

--
Evan (no references)

Re:Depends how much juice those batteries provide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213400)

I remember our german class room was number G6.

(If you don't get it, a german pronouces G as Gay and 6 as Sex, yes it childish).

Re:Depends how much juice those batteries provide (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213436)

Germans are filthy perverts, we all know that.

I declare this the Back To The future Thread (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213379)

You'll get quite a bit of mileage with one of those Mr. Fusion jobbies strapped to it anyway.

Hrmm.. (5, Funny)

Wrexen (151642) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213306)

10:45 am. Greater Things News coverage has logged 1000 visits

*insert sound of maniacal laughter here*

Difficulties (5, Funny)

BlindSpot (512363) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213308)

> it appears they've suffered mechanical difficulties and cancelled the test.

They obviously forgot what happens when you hit 88mph in a DeLorean!

Duh (5, Funny)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213309)

They claim the vehicle uses 12 standard car batteries, so the invention appears to relate to recharging the batteries."

Of course there is a flux capacitor to store charge and recharge the batteries, amongst other things, such as powering the radio.

Good Tires? (1)

Brandeissansoo (553129) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213310)

Where can I buy some perpetual tires?

Re:Good Tires? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213460)

Find a set of tires with a treadwear rating of 400AA. That's 80,000 miles. Not perpetual but close enough.

I bet (1)

rongage (237813) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213315)

That damn friction, always getting in the way of true innovation like perpetual motion....

Yes I too have a perpetual motion machine (5, Funny)

crea5e (590098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213316)

but due to some mechanical related problems it is now invisible.

Spare parts (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213319)

Does your local scrap yard have a spare flux capacitor? Thought not.

Yeah, right. (1)

Seeka (258435) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213320)

It looks like this guy is trying to make a perpetual energy machine; something man has been struggling to do forever. Sure, he may be able to last a little bit, but eventually you're going to need to recharge, and I wouldn't want to be around for the bill.

Some recharging? (1)

sterno (16320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213462)

The article said that the car would be able to go hundreds of miles without recharging. So I wonder if perhaps the invention simply provides a way to extend the length of the charge and performance of the batteries. Maybe it can go a thousand miles on a single charge, which would be pretty astounding.

I would be amazed if this wasn't a hoax, but I hope I'm amazed :)

Is it April 1st already? (1)

ergo98 (9391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213322)

Where can I invest in this amazing new technology!

It's the return of Joseph Newman! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213323)

I have seen this EXACT scam run before in the 80's by Joseph Newman (see his book "The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman"). There was a nice lengthy article in Discover around 1987 (I think) debunking the fraud and just how many millions he bilked investors out of.

The guy has everything to a T, travel to small podunk places and give "demonstrations" of your "perpetual motion engine" (gyro power in his case) that mysteriously fail for unrelated mechanical problems. Keep your hands on your wallets, folks.

Try it at home! (2)

echucker (570962) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213325)

Amazingly enough, Delorean One [deloreanone.com] sells reconditioned ones for as little as $62,500. Why take the Tilley Foundation's word for it when you can play the Marty McFly home game?

Delorean is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213327)

You know the rest, just change bsd with delorean.

What is this? Hoax? No Details? (3, Insightful)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213330)

Seems to be nothing other then an electrically powered Delorean? People have been converting gas powered vehicles to Electric for years. If this is some sort of perpetual motion machine is doesn't say how it works on the site, in any detail. So that would lead me to belive it is a hoax.

Re:What is this? Hoax? No Details? (5, Insightful)

JabberWokky (19442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213409)

If this is some sort of perpetual motion machine is doesn't say how it works on the site, in any detail.

That's because the only person who mentioned perpetual motion was the Slashdot Editor. Michael put it in the title of the Slashdot story - neither the article nor the site says *anything* about perpetual motion. The stats related in the article are:

'hundreds of miles without recharging'' and can reach speeds of more than 100 miles per hour.

Which is scientifically plausable, if exteremely unlikely. It may well be a hoax, but they seem to be putting their money where their mouth is. We'll see when the thing is finished being demonstrated. It certainly would be a breakthrough, and while very rare, they do happen at times.

If it were a perpetual motion device, I wouldn't even give it the benefit of the doubt. As it is, I just give it doubt. :)

--
Evan (no references, but I think the car's stats might be SciFi)

Re:What is this? Hoax? No Details? (5, Informative)

Nanoda (591299) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213428)

Not claiming to be perpetual motion?

"...can run coast to coast without ever relying on the battery being charged from an outside source."

and

"The very essence of the technology to be demonstrated is the capability to keep the batteries "topped up" at all times with the "on board" device invented by Carl B. Tilley."

and most importantly

" In fact, as the demonstration will prove, at the end of the allotted time period the battery bank will still register a FULL CHARGE condition!"

This is not a solar vehicle, people. This is a perpetual motion machine, and it's a sham.

Re:What is this? Hoax? No Details? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213429)

But they also say that when the run is done, the batteries will "register a full charge".

Oops.

WAKE UP!!! (2)

AmigaAvenger (210519) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213332)

Read the details, it starts an electric motor, and then recharges itself from this motor. Laws of physics say you will still run out of energy, period! Electric motors are not very efficient, 50-70% for normal motors and maybe up to 90% if you are lucky for a decent 3 phase brushless design. and secondy, wtf is up with using a Delorean?? It is a car that is finicky and breaks often at best, and that is the normal dinosaur burning model... I keep expecting to see a 'Mr fusion' strapped on the back!

Re:WAKE UP!!! (2, Funny)

jkirby (97838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213419)

I almost laughed my arse off on this one. This is the quintessential "Snake Oil" hoax. First and foremost, there is absolutly nothing, whatsoever, on any of the pages that discuss any technical aspect of the TEV. Nothing. Not even a hint at anything remotly scientific. Secondly, it is too well written and thought out. And thirdly, as all of us graduates of "The STar Fleet Academy" know; entroy rules.

Re:WAKE UP!!! (1)

CoderByBirth (585951) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213466)

I don't know if I would consider 50% efficiency to be bad.
The numbers look considerably worse for a combustion engine.

deloreans (1)

mojowantshappy (605815) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213334)

Those crazy deloreans are at it again, travelling through time, defying physics. Man, what a car.

Re:deloreans (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213464)

Cool dry wit. Sock it to 'em, baby. LMAO

Technical term (5, Funny)

Quixote (154172) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213341)

it appears they've suffered mechanical difficulties and cancelled the test.

There's a name for such "mechanical difficulties": friction. Get used to it.

Lisa: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213348)

In this house, we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

it's a trick! (5, Funny)

jjeffries (17675) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213349)

They get it going up to 88, travel back in time a day or two and leisurely drive to their destination, perhaps seeing some sights along the way. They top off the gas tank and arrive an hour or so after they left, fooling the Newtonian masses by substituting one physical impossibility for another.

Good Gawd. (2)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213350)

This story screams for stupid Back to the Future jokes.

Please folks, save your dumber ones for the sequel.

On a related note, they got all this hype and crowds up....but didn't think to beef up the suspension, motor, drive train? Odd.

It seems the website is proud of their 1000 hits too. Wait til /. gets done with you. You'll be begging for...{insert stupid joke here}

Re:Good Gawd. (2)

n9hmg (548792) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213430)

I can't imagine what the freaking problem is. They say the car can't take the stress on the track going that fast. I'd be quite impressed if they ran their distance at 30 mph. Surely, if it's capable of pushing itself along at >100, they can pick a lower speed and take a groove that doesn't stress the bearings.
I think he's shooting for credibility amongst idiots. He'll come around after the failure, looking for "investors", claiming he was sabotaged by "big oil" or whatever.
Here, you want perpetual motion - use the casimir effect, and lcds efficient enough to open and close one of the mirrors, and let that drive a piston, slowly. It's not really perpetual motion, but should be free energy, though at a low output.

This should be under a better heading... (2, Flamebait)

Etcetera (14711) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213352)


Seriously... if his system works as he says it can, this will be quite an important milestone (once they have the bearings issue worked out). We should be *encouraging* this kind of research, not laughing at it.

Considering this is a website "for Nerds" I'd expect a better reaction out of people. Tesla had a lot of breakthrough concepts regarding electricity and the ability to sucking power out of one's environment.

We should be promoting this kind of reasearch (you know, the kind large corporations might not take to kindly to). WTF is it that we'll bitch about the **AA putting down the little guy, but we're pooh-poohing someone who's trying to stand up to Big Oil and the Automakers?

Re:This should be under a better heading... (1)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213375)

Does anyone have any clear and compelling evidence that this isn't a hoax?

The website is inconclusive at best.

Re:This should be under a better heading... (1, Flamebait)

Etcetera (14711) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213414)


Well, I haven't witnessed any of it PERSONALLY, but if the information here [tilleyfoundation.com] is accurate, then I was say that's a start.

QUite frankly, I don't need clear and compelling evidence that this isn't a hoax to at least be interested in it.

Don't write off stuff just because you've already come to the conclusion that it can't be done.

Re:This should be under a better heading... (1)

jkirby (97838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213438)

Hoax, Hoax, Hoax... Sure it would be great. Not just for programmers, but for supplying power to third world nations.

Seriously, if some guy came up with this invention, for real, would be be stuffing this thing in a Delorean? hardly... NASA or someone would have offered the guy billions and he would surly be on every talk show in the nation. It does not take much to hire an attorney and get a patent; surly cheaper than a Delorean with only 21,000 original miles.

Or was that 21,000 jigawatts? No.... Marty, don't push that but...

Re:This should be under a better heading... (5, Insightful)

Hans Lehmann (571625) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213450)

Tesla did some interesting work, but he never "sucked power out of the environment" without spending far more energy than he ever got back. The reason we Nerds poo-poo these stories is simply because they defy the laws of thermodynamics. This inventor shows all the usual symptoms of a perpetual-energy kook:

"The Government/Big Oil/Big Auto knows that this really works, but they're trying to suppress it."

They create mumbo-jumbo terms like "electromagnetic vacuum", that sound plausible to the average sucker investor that never bothered to take a high-school physics class, but are nothing but a bunch of crap.

They're constantly stalling, while promising that their invention will be ready after "just a few more tweaks."

When they are asked to demonstrate it under controlled conditions, they'll always come up with a story about "bad vibes from all these skeptics", or in this case "we've just got some bearing problems."

Anyone that invests in this company deserves to lose every penny they own.

Crank! (1)

olrik666 (574545) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213354)

Hey, I don't come here do hear about cranks! For that amusing activity, I go to : http://www.crank.net/perpetual.html Olrik

Lost Reporter (5, Funny)

unsinged int (561600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213359)

* 3:40 pm: Still haven't heard from Ken
* 2:37 pm: Still no word from Ken.
* 1:48 pm: Still waiting for our reporter, Ken, to call in.

OMG! They killed Kenny!

Re:Lost Reporter (5, Funny)

guttentag (313541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213398)

Great Scott! I was afraid this might happen, Marty.

By building and actually testing the impossible perpetual motion machine, they have created a paradox -- sucking them and half of Nashville into a rip in the space-time continuum. Mental note to self: cross Nashville off the list of places I planned to someday visit.

Re:Lost Reporter (2)

selectspec (74651) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213402)

I think I see Ken's arm sticking out the back of the trunk.

Slashdot's new tagline (4, Insightful)

nizo (81281) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213360)

"Hoaxes for nerds". Or is it "Hoaxes that matter"? Remember, don't let reality interfere with a good news story.

technical difficulties (1)

mojowantshappy (605815) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213366)

do you think the delorean went back in time?

This is not perpetual motion (1)

beswicks (584636) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213373)

From the article it looks like they are quoting "hundreds of miles without recharging". A perpetual motion car would go erm... a infinite amount (as in not finite like hundreds).

They seem to be using some kind of extra high capacity battery and "a rather elegant battery charger".

I'm still unsure if its legit, but it would be nice if Slashdot didn't poo, poo, the idea without reading the links first.

c.

Re:This is not perpetual motion (1)

oooga (307220) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213410)

Actually, they claim to be using 12 normal car batteries (no word on what brand...) and there's a rumor on a news site that "Tilley may have replicated a Tesla process and created an electromagnetic vacuum that draws heretofore untapped energy from the atmosphere." So it wouldn't really be perpetual motion per se, just sort of free energy. In fact, an interesting event took place today at the track (apparantly) where the car was totally stopped due to a broken bearing or something but the batteries kept on charging.

I desperately want to believe this, but I'm not going to yet. Everyone else can make up their own minds.

Re:This is not perpetual motion (2)

compwizrd (166184) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213441)

A battery that is loaded down heavily will recover somewhat when the load is removed.

Not a hoax (5, Funny)

Knife_Edge (582068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213374)

Look, I have seen a lot of comments to the effect that building a self-recharging vehicle that will run forever cannot be done. Well, Tilley has done it. I could not be more certain. Why? Because they have a web site. Go there now. You will soon see that they are completely credible, just like everything else on the web.

In Other News... SOMETHING SMELLS (2, Insightful)

Ranma (3995) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213381)

''I don't think the oil or car companies understand what a significant breakthrough this is,'' Meland said...
If Tilley succeeds, it ''completely changes our whole picture on energy, how to use this energy to free the planet from fossil fuel.''


I bet you anything that we don't hear another peep about this (except maybe a repeat) again.

1.21 Gigawatts! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213383)

Thats impossible Marty.

Go figure (5, Funny)

00_NOP (559413) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213384)

Perpetual motion car - Delorean, built in Belfast

Unsinkable ship - Titanic, built in Belfast

Magiclly generated power? (2)

jsimon12 (207119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213389)

What is this about? They say they have invented some method [tilleyfoundation.com] of producing electric power without wind/solar/hydro or fuel? It all seems like snake oil to me. Anyone have any insight into this? I just seriously doubt people who make claims like this and then give absolutly NO evidence or even a suggestion of how it is done.

Re:Magiclly generated power? (1)

WegBert (135039) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213416)

Well, come on! You can't expect them to give away their trade secrets, right? I mean, why would they lie about something this important?

It's all explained right here:

The Tilley Foundation, Inc. is a research and development agency for inventors and investors interested in new and innovative projects.

Many great ideas are lost to lack of funds, technical support, fabrication, patent rights and some are simply stolen from the original inventor.

If he explains his ideas, next thing you know everyone on the block will have a perpet... errr... one.

WegBert

Here's how HE explains it (1)

oooga (307220) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213391)

Tilley wouldn't go into details about his innovation although he said he admired Tesla's work. From that, [reporter] Meland concluded that Tilley may have replicated a Tesla process and created an electromagnetic vacuum that draws heretofore untapped energy from the atmosphere.

So there you go. It's not technically a perpetual motion device, just practically one. Still doesn't change the fact that this thing stinks of negative ions...

Guilty until proven innocent... (2)

Boulder Geek (137307) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213397)

I read Tilley's web site a bit, and they seem to be making a small industry out of perpetual motion. Its clear that they really did modify a DeLorean to use an electric motor, but beyond that their claims are vague at best. They do claim a "power source" that "uses no inputs", which sure sounds like PM. They do claim that the DeLorean does not use the PM source.

One thing is clear: they at least have the guts to show up at a public demonstration, even if they blew out a wheel bearing (no surprise on a DeLorean). Now if they would let a couple of qualified engineers take a look at the car before and after the test I'd feel better. For all I know they have a little gas powered generator hidden in the vehicle recharging the batteries.

*Shocked Look* (2)

ffatTony (63354) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213417)

You built a time mach... I mean perpetual motion machine ... out of a Delorean?

Lisa, get in here... (2)

bhsx (458600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213418)

Young lady, in this house we follow the laws of thermal dynamics!

I was obliged to; sorry

I like this part (1)

jimlintott (317783) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213423)

Tilley was driving 95 around a corner and he heard something pop. The chasis/bearings are going out. The suspension on the car is not equipped to handle this kind of track. It puts too much pressure on the bearings. "The car is not going to move again today." Race cars have a special kind of suspension to handle tracks at high speed, so it won't put a bind on the bearings. The curves are banked. Regular cars not designed to handle that -- even the DeLorean.

Of course race cars have special suspension. That's part of what makes them race cars, but the banking in the turns serves to convert what would normally be lateral forces to more vertical forces. In other words the banking should make it easier on the wheel bearing, but harder on axle bearings. Regular street cars are frequently tested on banked race tracks even at places like Talledega which is banked at 33 degrees, Nashville is banked at 14 degrees. Oh yeah, 95 mph is not exactly high speed for a super speedway.

over 100mph? I don't think so. (2, Funny)

rob-fu (564277) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213426)

There's no way they could have recorded over 100 MPH in a Delorean. Once you hit 88 MPH, you go back into time. Everybody knows that.

"gotta get back in time.... gotta get back in time..."

Roads? (0)

fredopalus (601353) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213427)

Where we're going we don't need roads.

A Delorean? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213431)

Hey, if you're going to power an electric car, you should do it in style.

Obligatory Simpsons Quote (1)

Metallic Matty (579124) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213433)

And this perpetual motion machine she built is a joke... it just keeps going faster and faster.

Lisa, in this house, we follow the laws of thermodynamics!

mechanical problems (1)

matt4077 (581118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213442)

reuters/cnn - according to inside sources, project leader ~doc~ announced to his team, they either had to find a sponsor from the lightning rod industry or wait 120 years collecting garbage. he then stumbled away mumbling "flux capacitor" and putting his fingers into high voltage relays.

Tesla (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213446)

How to make an electric car that never needs recharging? Well, you could do what Tesla talked about and simply broadcast the energy to the device instead of generating it at the device.

I seem to remember that Tesla had some big plans for putting large Tesla Coils everywhere so that electricty could wirelessly be transmitted to devices (maybe even planes?). Downside is that if the coils (or whatever) go offline, the plane goes down.

If they get this to work... (1)

Chicane-UK (455253) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213449)

..I couldn't think of a more fitting vehicle to test such a device. Admittedly its not a time machine, but still something cool.

Though aren't Deloreans becoming quite rare classic cars now?

Are these guys the announcers for the track? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213454)

From the referenced link [greaterthings.com] ...

3:40 pm: Still haven't heard from Ken...

2:37 pm: Still no word from Ken...

1:48 pm: Still waiting for our reporter, Ken, to call in...

12:49 pm: We've not heard from our reporter for over two hours...

Gotta love that exciting hourly commentary! (yes, I'm a jerk)

Perpetual Motion (3, Funny)

kwishot (453761) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213456)

I'm sure there's someone out there who can tell me why this wouldn't work, but here's a little theory of mine on perpetual motion (guessing it's been thought of before, but oh well):

Magnets always repel or attract...using a complex scheme of magnets, wouldn't it be possible to harness any of this free energy?
I remember reading on a Slashdot story how you could make your own mini-railgun. If you accelerated something to a high enough speed, could you not harness that energy to "re-set" the magnets and even have some energy left over? I remember that the velocity of whatever you're accelerating increases exponentially -- however adding more and more magnets does not increase the "resetting factor" exponentially. I'm not an astrophysicist or anything but isn't there a way this could work?
Another thing along the same concept is gravity...
Stupid friction =P

PERPETUAL MOTION = LINUX ON THE DESKTOP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4213461)

it'll never happen

like winning tux racer

How it works... (1)

Milo77 (534025) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213463)

I found this link on how it works [greaterthings.com] . I know nothing about this sort of thing, so I am only posting so some of you can read it.

The Price.... (1)

BoojiBoy0 (596932) | more than 11 years ago | (#4213465)

Let's see... 60+K for a working DeLorean and then double that to convert it to electric... It would be cheaper to buy a Lincoln Navigator and enough gas to last a lifetime.
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