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Audiogalaxy Returns as Pay Service

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the building-a-worse-mousetrap dept.

Music 282

Triv writes "I just got an email from Audiogalaxy explaining how they have come back from the dead as a subscription service, labelled as Rhapsody."

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and so they die (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216816)

p2p for free for me

Why bother? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216817)

Usenet has *much* better quality of music, complete albums, .nfo files, cover scans, and it's not hard to get a request posted.

Fucking pay services. Course, try explaining to some asshole coworker how to use GrabIt -- despite being easy as poop, they'll never get it.

Re:Why bother? (2)

moonbender (547943) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216920)

There are a lot of ISPs that don't have their own Usenet servers anymore. Those who do often don't carry the large volume *.bin.* groups. Germany's largest broadband ISP is an example for this. I'm surprised the RIAA isn't sueing the remaining into not carrying the (majority of the) bin groups, their whole purpouse is to violate copyrights, after all. There are free servers, but non-surprisingly, they're crap. The decent ones are pay services. They're pretty cool, though, if you're willing to pay for Warez.

This is legal. (2)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217005)

I know being legal isn't a big point on Slashdot. But, with everyone on here whining for a legal way to get music electronically, this is one. It may not be the best, but it's the beginning of options.

Not everyone wants to steal, steal, steal....

Re:This is legal. (1)

Scrameustache (459504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217049)

Ok, lets clarify: Legal and not utterly crappy.

How do you know? (1)

repetty (260322) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217038)

"Usenet has *much* better quality of music..."

How do you know this? Are you a subscriber to this new service or are you just trolling?

I just installed Linux, Now Nothing Works !!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216818)

What a P.O.S OS, should have stuck with WinXP

Re:I just installed Linux, Now Nothing Works !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216851)

Try not being an idiot. That usually works.

Re:I just installed Linux, Now Nothing Works !!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216928)

Are you a homosexual? Most, if not all, linux user are. Thus 'fag_probe' is set to on by default in the kernel. Just set 'fag_probe' to off and re-compile your kernel. Or, just upgrade back to XP.

Hope this helps!

You didn't have to get 1600 on the SATs... (0)

Oliver Newland (596957) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216819)

to know the future of this sucker.

Audiogalaxy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216820)

Here's a picture [stsci.edu]

3rd post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216824)

3rd post, i guess

Heh... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216829)

Since we'll be paying for it, does it still have spyware?

Re:Heh... (1)

elizard2k (532787) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216880)

No it does not (at least their site says so, didn't check for myself)
"No viruses or adware" - quoted from their site

Erm, its a streaming service (5, Informative)

joebp (528430) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216834)

5. Can I download MP3s?
No. Rhapsody is a streaming-only service and does not offer MP3 downloads.
So, I'm paying $10 a month for no tangible product?

Woo, come here Microsoft, I want to rent a new OS!

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (4, Insightful)

Squareball (523165) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216862)

well you pay for cable TV right? No tangible product.. AND you have to have a TV. This wont work becuase you have to have broadband to use it really.. and $10 a month on top of 50 a month for broadband isn't worth it as long as there is still systems like Kazaa

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (1)

joebp (528430) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216896)

well you pay for cable TV right? No tangible product.
The distinction being you can record cable and keep (but not distribute) the tapes as long as you like. With this, you can't even keep the streams for your own use.

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216914)

Not for long, don't forget the broadcast flag.

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (1)

AvitarX (172628) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216932)

In exchange for not recording you can stream anything whenever you want. I would personally pay for non recordable cable if I could do that, even if I was forced to sit through reasonable quantities of advertising. The problem with this is that the computer is not the optimum place to play music, nor watch TV. I wouldn't pay shit to have any cable at my computer, nor music.

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (3, Informative)

moonbender (547943) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216941)

You can record anything you hear. There's always analogue recording as a last resort, but I doubt they'll manage to keep out programs like Total Recorder [highcriteria.com] .

Big difference... (2)

sterno (16320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217022)

I pay for cable to watch on my TV, which is where I watch television anyhow. On the other hand, with this service I'd be paying to listen to music on my computer which is not where I listen to it. I listen to music on my stereo system, or in my car, or on my portable when I go for a walk. I'm not about to pay money for a service that makes me listen to music in a way that is inconvenient to my life.

Is this worth $10/month over free Kazaa? Not in its current form. It's way worthwhile if I can actually download music in a non-proprietary protected format. Hell, it's worth $20/month. Why? Because with Kazaa and the like, I have to dig to find the music I want, it's not always in good quality, and it's never organized as an album. I will pay for that convenience, and I think a lot of people would. I also think most people would rather that the artists were getting money and would prefer to pay a little and insure that than just outright steal the stuff.

You can save it on Video Tape. (1)

aepervius (535155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217032)

And as such, again you have a tangible product. Can you save the stream as a wav or mp3 ?

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (1)

3th3rn3t (245106) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216866)

streaming only ?
thats kind bad %-/

i really dont think it worth paying for something like this...

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216906)

If you can call a file tangible.

Hail StreamRipper!!! (1)

orakle (233985) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216922)

they better hope they don't use MP3 streaming cause they're gonna find out real fast that its succeptible to stream ripping.

Even if the stream can't be ripped directly -- it's been said millions of times - if you can hear it, you can record it.

Here's the DMCA circumvention tool you need (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217023)

Unbelievable crap. (3, Interesting)

User 956 (568564) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216977)

So, I'm paying $10 a month for no tangible product?

Seriously. Is such a paid, streaming content model really a viable solution? When Thomas Jefferson put the idea of intellectual property into the Constitution of the United States, he did so because he realized that information leaks; once people learn something, they can reuse that knowledge. If there was no protection to intellectual property, people would not be encouraged to share knowledge with others. Writers would not write, inventors would not invent, artists would not . So in the US Constitution, it says:
Congress shall have the power [...] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
The reason why this is important is spelled out in Jefferson's own writings:
If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it...He who receives an idea from me, receives instructions himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. That ideas should be spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature ... Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.
His assumptions are based on the fact that you can not control what people do with information that you give to them. If you hand someone a book, they can transcribe it. If you give someone a physical invention, they can disassemble it. But if you give them a new form of media, say, a song on a copy-protected CD, and they can no longer listen to it except on approved devices that they cannot copy from, why should the government provide the same protection to you? The record companies and movie studios want to have their cake and eat it too. They want traditional copyright protection, technological copyright protection, and a government guarantee of technological copyright protection. They want to deprive all those bearded Linux hippies their DeCSS, so they can't watch bootleg Buffy the Vanpire Slayer DVDs in their parents' basement. But if they have technological protection, then why should the government give them traditional protection? It was only there because information was hard to protect as property.

How far are we going to let the copyrighters go? We need to remind people that copyright, like most laws in the US, is a balance between two forces, and the scale should not be tipped too far to one side.

Streaming is tangible if... (2)

sterno (16320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216986)

It's tangible enough if I always happen to want to listen to the music at a computer. This is, for most people, not the case. What I want to be able to do is download the music, so I can put it on my portable player, or, maybe even play it on one of my linux boxes (since this is a windows only program that would be out of the question).

Will I pay $10/month for an on-line music service, yes. In fact I already have done this, using emusic. And with that service I get mp3's that I can download, move around, and enjoy wherever I want. Hell, I'd probably pay up to $20/month if the quality of the music was good enough and diverse enough to make me want to keep coming back for more.

This will flop, just like all the other ones. The logic espoused by the record labels will be that they could make money on this sort of service if it wasn't for all those P2P pirates. In reality it is simply a matter of them not providing a quality service. I love that my privacy and freedom will get trampled because they can't make a quality service. My message to the RIAA: give us what we want, and we will pay for it. Don't give us what we want, and YOU will pay for it.

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (5, Interesting)

RussGarrett (90459) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217000)

Lots of people ask me what the goal is.

The goal is for you to be able to play any song, anywhere you are, in CD quality, for less per month than the price of a cd. If you're too cheap to pony up, then you can listen to ads instead, but no more than 10m worth for every hour you listen. A light DRM in place is fine provided the technology exists to stream this anyplace you are. Who wants or needs downloads if you can just stream it whenever you want. Disks are so overrated. If the tech isn't there do make that happen, then screw the DRM and let those that will pirate pirate and those that will pay pay. You'll never get them to behave otherwise anyway.

That's the goal. First person to make it happen wins everything.

Tom Pepper, Nullsoft

Think about it. If you had unlimited cheap streaming access to any music anywhere in the world, what's the point in downloading? There is none. You save many gigabytes of hard disk space too. With increasing bandwidth to the home, this is only going to get more popular. If AG can pull this off, and they can pull it off well, they will have my great respect (and my $10).

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217055)

The only problem with this scenario is that they hold you ransom. What if they raise the price? What if they start putting limits on how much you can download? They got you by the balls with this business model. They have all the power. That is why OGG and MP3 pisses them off so much -- they have absolutely no way to control it. I like to be in control of my music. I can listen to what I want, when I want, where I want -- with whatever hardware/software that I choose. The disk-space argument is kind of weak. You can pick up hard drives for pretty cheap now. I've got a 100Gb in this machine and it cost me next-to-nothing.

Re:Erm, its a streaming service (1)

RussGarrett (90459) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217058)

Well yes it does also help it's a company you can trust not to extort you :). But if there's one company doing this, there'll be more, and if there are more, then competition will keep the price down.

Better, FREE streaming service: (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217056)

Launch.com

'nuff said.

FTP search.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216841)

All I ever used from this is their "FTP search" (where I am is heavily firewalled, so this is my only way to get music). AG's ftp search has been down forever though. Does anybody know of a good alternative?

Re:FTP search.. (2)

Istealmymusic (573079) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216933)

Oth [oth.net] is the FTP media search site. Most sites indexed on AG's FTP search are also indexed there, as well as sites garnered from IRC and ratio traders. Highly recommended, its what I mostly use now.

Re:FTP search.. (2)

moonbender (547943) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216969)

Yep, Oth rules. And it's from way back. I distinctly remember how I got my first music using Oth when that whole MP3 thing was still very mysterious. I barely knew what FTP was, but after being lucky enough to not find a ratio site I acquired what I had been looking for. In the meantime since using it years ago I used a lot of P2P, but now I'm back to Oth for any serious fix. :) FTP servers are a good source, anyhow, because you get full albums, high quality and all this without really having to do anything manually. You often have to put something into it, that is upload an album the siteop doesn't have, yet, but with nice siteops this gets you a personal login with an extremely good ratio (upload 1 kb, download 10) or even leech access.

Ha ha ha ho ho ho hi hi hi (1)

marcovje (205102) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216847)


See subj :-)

Haven't they learned anything? Subscription in this
form doesn't work as a businessmodel!

Ooooh...Freebie (2, Insightful)

Lshmael (603746) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216848)

...for 8 days at least. I predict they'll see a massive drop-off in users then.

Does anyone see any future in subscription services, or will we stay in p2p anarchy for the rest of our days (or until the megacorporations take the networks down)?

Re:Ooooh...Freebie (1)

elizard2k (532787) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216890)

The "Freebie" is a preview of the services, which means you only get the first 30 seconds of a song. Yep, that's right .. ONLY 30 seconds.
Oh, and they don't have The Beatles .. common people, get with the times! :p

Re:Ooooh...Freebie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216913)

rtff... the parent was referring to the fact that this service is completely free for next 8 days.
The preview mode will be available probably forever.

A.

Re:Ooooh...Freebie (1)

batboy78 (255178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217028)

This isn't correct, I installed the app, registered and everything, into my second full album now, full length songs.

Now Playing Rage Agains the Machine - Bullet in the Head

Re:Ooooh...Freebie (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216987)

Anyone remember swapping files before Napster? We didn't need no stinking P2P network! FTP, IRC, and alt.binaries work too. File sharing is here to stay. There is nothing they can do to stop it.

What's everyone's problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216849)

So now they pay a royalty to the artists, they claim that you'll have access to 17,000+ songs/7,000+ artists guilt free for less than the cost of one CD per month. I'm not going near it with a ten foot pole, but I don't think that's a terrible way to go about the business of providing a p2p network.

Re:What's everyone's problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216865)

Oops. Nevermind. Someone pointed the problem out a little earlier in this thread.

5. Can I download MP3s?
No. Rhapsody is a streaming-only service and does not offer MP3 downloads.

Re:What's everyone's problem? (2)

Rogerborg (306625) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216900)

  • So now they pay a royalty to the artists

If they do that, then they'll be stealing from the rights holders (to use the label's parlance).

Artists != labels

limewire (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216859)

I heard limewire is next to be targeted...doh

But Limewire is Gnutella. (1)

legomad (596194) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216871)

So it can't really be shut down.

Re:But Limewire is Gnutella. (0)

jmrjmrjmr (605518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216924)

Therefor they will try to go after its users directly.... RIAA task force coming to your home.. eew.

So.. (0)

Noobie (516574) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216860)

You got email from Audiogalaxy? That's good for you! But care to share more with the rest of us? Or was it news that they can use email?

No Linux Support (2, Interesting)

whoisjoe (465549) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216861)

Audiogalaxy used to have a command-line agent for Linux. The Rhapsody software is Windoze only. Sigh.

You actually care? (1)

legomad (596194) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216884)

You know this thing will be dead in 3 months anyway.

Re:No Linux Support (1)

Istealmymusic (573079) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216982)

I completely share your sentiments. In fact, I was one of the many who have built an entire computer dedicated to Audiogalaxy on Unix, with RAID disks for fast access to storage and 24/7 100Mbps connectivity. We ran AGSatellite all day every day, and our neighborhood could queue songs to download from anywhere, having them download instantly while you do other stuff. No micromananging of downloads!

Ahh...those where the days. Now the only Unix filesharing servents are Gnutella (no thanks, I'll pass) and eDonkey2000 [edonkey2000.com] . GiFT or whatever its called is not cross-platform and cannot run on BSD, so its useless to me.

Fortunately, eDonkey has quite a user base, and even a full-blown GUI which runs on Unix, hands down. Sites like ShareReactor [sharereactor.com] and PP (warning: not work safe) [pussyprovider.com] provide all your warez and video--which is well established on the Donkey Network, but MusicDonkey [musicdonkey.net] is emerging to provide quality MP3s and Oggs. None of that Xing crap. High-quality stuff. And it looks like its going to be superior to Audiogalaxy, as one can package CDs in single files (this was possible but kludgly on AG) to ensure all tracks came from the same place. Hurray for eDonkey.

Soulseek (1)

re-Verse (121709) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216863)

Still the best program for downloading music is Soulseek (especially if you are a real fanatic of music, it seems all the real music freaks show up there).

They have had some domain trouble recently, but can still be found at The SLSK website [slsk.org] .

As an immensely satisfied user, i recommend this to all. Not to mention the fact that there is an open source unix version as well (that also works on OS X).

Re:Soulseek (0)

jmrjmrjmr (605518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216944)

Thanks for the recommendation. Unfortunately Soulseeker doesn't support connecting through a proxy (yet?) Therefor I cannot use it.. that's a pity, cause Kazaa sucks ;-)

Thanks anyway!

Re:Soulseek (1)

UnknownQ (84898) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216949)

The Linux client is here:
http://www.sensi.org/~ak/pyslsk/

Re:Soulseek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217070)

shhhhhhhhhh, dont ruin it!

Erm, no. (2, Informative)

Mwongozi (176765) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216874)

It's streaming only, you can't download MP3s, and you can't share your own collection.

Oh yeah, and it's Windows only.

false advertisement ? (2)

Archfeld (6757) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216882)

"CD quality audio INSTANTLY, no downloads" ? err I could not find the tracks on my disk..did I miss something, or did AG discover some cool new protocol that doesn't need bandwidth to stream and not sound like intergalactic radio interference ?

Survey says, "AG dead in 2 months....again"

Re:false advertisement ? (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216935)

I uninstalled it 2 months ago (I was a paying "Gold" member) and I have not intentions of reinstalling it EVER again. In my mind they might as well call the company Napster.

not to mention (2)

Trepidity (597) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216981)

That it's probably not actually CD quality either.

US Only... (2, Informative)

=weezer= (180393) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216883)

"For U.S. Residents Only
Due to licensing restrictions, Rhapsody's on-demand music subscription service is available to U.S. residents only."

You know, it's mostly not from lack of will that I download music off P2P networks rather than paying for services like this one... it's pure lack of options. Not to mention the music I download is usually from bands whose albums I can't buy here (Brazil).

It also looks like this service will be credit card-based. Great. Exclude another group of users right there. I'm not saying Audiogalaxy/Rhapsody should be forced to cater to anyone, but that the RIAA should look into more viable online music payment systems if they don't want to alienate the customers who currently can't legally obtain music online.

Dissect at will: The EULA (1)

caferace (442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216888)

RHAPSODY TERMS OF USE AGREEMENT
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Re:Dissect at will: The EULA (2)

caferace (442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216899)

Whoops. Section 1 - iii got munged.

Please note that when you subscribe to our streaming music-on-demand service, you agree also to the terms of the Subscription Agreement, which you can find at here [listen.com]

At first it looked good... (2, Insightful)

JeffSh (71237) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216902)

But after I read their FAQ... I don't think I like it :(

$10 a month for the rights to listen to music... how about, no.

Cable TV service is enough of a farce as it is, have to pay to get the privilege of being advertised to every 15 minutes. Now audio galaxy wants to do it with radio.. The inline advertisements haven't started yet, but I'm sure their license allows them to add them at some point..

Dissapointing since Audiogalaxy was really great. I was always able to get the most obscure music in the world from the service. Too bad.

Can I download MP3s?
No. Rhapsody is a streaming-only service and does not offer MP3 downloads.

Can I play MP3s or other music files with the Rhapsody player?
No. Rhapsody only plays music that is streamed from our servers. It is not an MP3 player.

Can I burn CDs?
No. We are currently negotiating the rights so you can burn the music you enjoy in Rhapsody. When we get access to CD burning rights, we'll let you know. Be sure that you are signed-up for our Product Updates email newsletter to be alerted to all of the new features and music added to Rhapsody. To check if you get Product Updates, go to "Manage My Account" inside Rhapsody and scroll-down to "Email Services" under "Account Summary."

Re:At first it looked good... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216929)

http://www.emusic.com :D

Remember the spyware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216904)

Don't support these bastards. Anyone remember vx2? They should've been sued and out of buisness back when that happened.

disadvantages (0)

jmrjmrjmr (605518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216908)

- not free
- streaming only! (see FAQs section 5)
- no CD borning (yet? see FAQs section 7)
- only Windows (yet? see FAQs section 9)
- only for US residents (see FAQs section 10)

conclusion: forget it. Nice to have had AudioGalaxy, but now its time has gone..

Lead Balloon Time! (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216916)

This is going to go over like a lead balloon. Yahoo has been trying to do this same crap with PressPlay for awhile now and nobody is interested. When they decide to sell music that fits *my* terms, and my needs... I'll pay for it. But, I'm not paying a monthly fee to get told how, when, why and where I can use something.

...marketing... (1)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216927)

"Listen in CD quality sound instantly - No waiting for downloads"

Wow, these guys must be true wizards, if they can guarantee CD-quality sound "instantly, no waiting for downloads" on my 300 bps Hayes.

They ask for cable or DSL (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216990)

Wow, these guys must be true wizards, if they can guarantee CD-quality sound "instantly, no waiting for downloads" on my 300 bps Hayes.

Bad joke. They don't. The site makes it clear that they highly recommend broadband, but 20 kbps streams are available for dial-up users.

However, in some areas, the cheapest available broadband is a $500/mo T1 line, which coincidentally is about as expensive as a 30-year mortgage on a new house purchased in an area served by cheap cable or DSL. (The proceeds from the sale of the old house would barely cover the moving costs and the downpayment.)

By the way, 32 kbps mono Ogg Vorbis audio (encoded with oggdropxpd) is very listenable.

Re:They ask for cable or DSL (2)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217064)

> "The site makes it clear that they highly recommend broadband"

Does it [audiogalaxy.com] ? They do [audiogalaxy.com] say "Active Internet connection (broadband/128+ kbps recommended)" - they only _require_ active internet connection and they promise me cd-quality sound "instantly, no waiting" with that requirements. Well, I quess it's a pretty lousy CD-player they use as reference here.

They also require "sound card". Will by Soundblaster from 1989 do? My point is that this "CD-quality" statement IS a bad joke. It is used way too often nowadays for void promises.

Re:...marketing... (1)

dirkdidit (550955) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216991)

Wow, these guys must be true wizards, if they can guarantee CD-quality sound "instantly, no waiting for downloads" on my 300 bps Hayes.


I think it'd be a miracle to get any sound to play from a computer using a 300bps Hayes Modem.

What bothers me... (1)

Sp4c3 C4d3t (607082) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216930)

...is that all of these former filesharing programs don't know when to stay dead. Audiogalaxy was good back in the day, but it's just plain dead now, and an attempt to resurrect itself is just pointless. Now it's back with a new name, and is simply a streaming service... wow, I can listen to Digitally Imported [digitallyimported.com] for free, and the music is better.

Spyware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216934)

I just created a new username, and I can tell by the sound of my hd that it sent a lot more than just my name and address to the server. Suspicious.

A Rejected Article You May Enjoy (-1, Offtopic)

los furtive (232491) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216936)

Scientists to Check if Gravity is as Fast as Light

BBC Online [bbc.co.uk] has an article [bbc.co.uk] about how a group of scientists stationed at telescopes around the world will be monitoring the bending of light when Jupiter eclipse's a distant quasar later today in order to accurately confirm if gravity really does have the same speed as light, as Einstein proposed in his general theory of relativity [uiuc.edu] .

Re:A Rejected Article You May Enjoy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216945)

Mod this asshole down and write "OFFTOPIC" in giant letters in case he is blind!

Manners please! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217019)

Just because it's offtopic doesn't mean he/she is an asshole. I happened to enjoy the article and wouldn't have seen it otherwise...even if it does deserve an offtopic rating.

Idiot, it's a repeat story (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217037)

what do you people want anyway ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216954)

I can't believe this... instead of lauding a decent effort which could turn out to be a nice compromise, everybody is dissing this as well.

If something like this doesn't work, then get ready for CDBTPA (or whatever the heck that is) and Palladium.

The main problem with such services has always been the music offered, and a brief look at the
catalog suggests they have a pretty decent collection, and the quality seems really good (no bitrate information, but I am willing to bet it is more than 128).

Re:what do you people want anyway ? (1)

GuNgA-DiN (17556) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217001)

The reason that everyone is dissing it is because you can't download the files! The whole fucking *point* of AudioGalaxy was that you could download MP3s. Now you are just paying to listen to the songs. Scew that! If I'm going to spend $10 a month to stream music... I'll go sign up for XM Radio instead. I will pay to download MP3s.... nothing restricted, nothing that limits what I can do with my own files!

If they don't want to play by my rules... they don't get my money! It's as simple as that.

Re:what do you people want anyway ? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217039)

yes... you can't download music, but we all know allowing arbitrary downloads is pretty much not an option unless you want DRM everywhere. I am not saying _you_ are going to steal, but common... you don't really believe that all their mp3's are not going to end up on P2P within days if they allow that.
The only other option seems to be having DRM/Trusted computing on everything you own. Thank you, but I had much rather have the choice of paying or not paying 10 dollars for listening to music, and not have microsoft control my PC.

A.

Re:what do you people want anyway ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217047)

So, you can choose exactly what songs you want to listen to at any time out of 15,000 albums with XM? Interesting.

Idiot.

SPLOOSH! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4216957)

don't you guys hate when you're taking a dump and the water just ***SPLASHES*** right back up into your gaping asshole? gee, i sure know i do..

Rhapsody? (1)

MalleusEBHC (597600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216958)

So audiogalaxy has come back to life as a prototype Mac OS based on OpenStep?

DRM, streaming only... (1)

captaineo (87164) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216963)

from the FAQ:

Can I download MP3s?
No. Rhapsody is a streaming-only service and does not offer MP3 downloads.

Can I burn CDs?
No. We are currently negotiating the rights so you can burn the music you enjoy in Rhapsody. When we get access to CD burning rights, we'll let you know.

Is Rhapsody available outside the U.S.?
Due to licensing restrictions, Rhapsody's on-demand music subscription service is available to U.S. residents only.

Hmm, a proprietary streaming-only format (i.e. your music disappears if you unsubscribe), DRM prevents you from burning, and U.S. only. Well, I suppose it's a good deal for someone who always has a fast net connection, and would otherwise spend the $120/year on CDs. But personally I am not interested in any format that gives me less freedom than MP3 or Ogg Vorbis.

RIAA's dream come true (1)

Eravau (12435) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217002)

Imagine...lots of people, not buying music, but just renting it for as long as they decide to keep it available and at whatever price they decide is "fair".

And no worries about the legalities of whether somebody rips it or not. The users have no legal rights to this music. They're just paying to rent access. They have no right to keep a copy.

The RIAA designed this one well for their "needs".

No. (2)

Cyph (240321) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216968)

AudioGalaxy did not design this service (unless they did, in which case, they are now guilty of copyright infridgement). Rhapsody is a service of Listen.com, there is no way for you to download the MP3s from there, basically, these are just pay streams.

Also, according to a piece of spam I got from my ISP (Speakeasy) a few weeks ago, there are Mac and Linux versions of Rhapsody coming early next year.

Files (1)

batboy78 (255178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4216993)

What the hell is this huge 257MB file in the install directory. How did it get this much info so fast? The install was only 1.6MB or something like that

Re:Files (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217015)

It's probably the buffer they are streaming the files from. See if you can figure out how to crack it and share it with the rest of the world for free! >:-)

It's streaming radio (2)

davidu (18) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217004)



  1. It's streaming radio, not even close to what it was before.
  2. It's $9.95 a month for _radio_ -- hardly worth it.
  3. It's sad to say, but it's a great idea, torn down by the recording industry, reborn as a manhandled beaten child of a played out idea.
  4. AG's Satellite was almost revolutionary, it was very cool and semi-cross platform --- this has none of that.

-davidu

Re:It's streaming radio (2)

RussGarrett (90459) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217018)

It's not radio. You can choose to play any file at any time. It's audio-on-demand. And if done well, that's a great idea. [slashdot.org]

Re:It's streaming radio (1)

davidu (18) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217054)

My mistake, you are correct.

And Tom's words are right on. I guess that's why he is the shoutcast god too. :-)

-davidu

Recording anyway... (2)

SamMichaels (213605) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217021)

So what's going to stop me from firing up Sound Forge, record from the wave device, encode to MP3, and add it to my MP3 directory?

If someone desperately wants a song, I'm sure they wouldn't mind taking a few extra minutes doing that.

It's not audiogalaxy, it's listen.com... (1)

maan (21073) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217030)

This isn't audiogalaxy's work... This is an (old) service from listen.com [listen.com] , which has been in existence for at least 6-8 months (if not more, I don't remember).

Since I never heard anything about listen.com buying audiogalaxy, it might just be audiogalaxy branding listen.com's service. (That's what speakeasy [speakeasy.net] (my isp) does.)

It's really sad that audiogaxy isn't doing there own thing: their service was so cool :(

Maan

What i'd pay for (2, Interesting)

ZakMcKrack3n (460512) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217033)

i know this lacks realism, but let me dream a bit:

large archive, and if there's something i want and they don't have, they try to get it

i get to choose the quality: 64kpbs mono for a quick preview to cd-quality, with some bitrates in between

nice and/or usable (+quick) interface with working search function (ever tried searching for A [a-communication.com] on cddb [cddb.com] or freedb [freedb.org] ?)

since they'll generate a user profile based on my downloads anyway, they could suggest other artists (like amazon)

pricing could (loosely) depend on traffic, so previews would be cheap or free and high-quality would still cost less than the cd

lyrics, links, booklets, etc.

i'm sure you can think of more...

Re:What i'd pay for (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217059)

lets see...

large archive -- it can only grow over time if record labels see this succeeding. As it is, they seem to have decent archive.

choice of quality -- easily possible to add to this service. maybe you should try to make them that recommendation.

usable interface -- I actually liked the user interface. The improvements should come over time.

user profile -- try to remember amazon in its early days.

pricing based on traffic -- should be quite easy to add.

lyrics, links etc -- they have very short notes about the artists/albums already.

when you look at it that way, doesn't it seem pretty close to what you want, or at least a step in that direction ?

A.

They will never learn (1)

sploreg (595722) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217035)

If they would charge $0.25 per download and guarantee a fast connection and a good quality song, then I can see a pay service working. Most people can fork over 25 cents without thinking twice, it's a low enough amount of money. Any more than that though, and you start to think "is it worth this or do I just log onto kazaa?" With this new service, $10/month is about 40 downloads at 25 cents each. I never download that much music in a month, I don't think many people do. They need to rethink their business plan here.
The record companies need to realize that they have to charge near FREE prices in order for people to go for it. Because the other alternative is free. They also need suck it up and accept the fact that they probably won't make the billions they used to make. If they don't go with the times they are going to suffer.
Now I'm not talking about Audiogalaxy directly, I'm talking about the recording companies who set the high royalty fees. They are the ones that need to seriously look at what they are doing.
Don't fight technology, use it to your advantage. And use it wisely.

Re:They will never learn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217067)

I would never pay for each song downloaded after signing up for this service. I listened to more than 40 songs the first day. It is a similar business model to cable tv, or xm radio. Only, it is completely on demand and completely legal.

I think its great.

Who do you actually pay? (1)

beef3k (551086) | more than 11 years ago | (#4217045)

"Rhapsody is a subscription service that pays musicians, record labels, publishers, and songwriters for the music you listen to"

My guess is that it's safe to remove "musicians" and "songwriters" from that list, and just admit to the fact that 99.999% of your monthly $9.95 goes directly to "record labels" and "publishers". Which brings me to another point: Why the f#% should "publishers" get any money? Audiogalaxy/Rhapsody is doing all the publishing here....

Anyway, this kind of business model doesn't work. People still like to actually get to keep what they buy. I'm guessing on bankrupcy within 3 months....

This is exactly what Ive been waiting for (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217061)

When I first heard of this service (listen.com, but branded through multiple vendors), I thought it would be another useless service with limited selection and absurd restrictions, but I was wrong.

I signed up for it a few days ago, after hearing about it on joelonsoftware.com and dont want to give it up now. I can just look up an artist, add everything they've ever performed to my playlist and start playing.

Its awesome being able to go through the billboard hits for the last decade and add all of the hits to my playlist and start feeling nostalgic.

Why dont you guys open your minds a little with this one.

Is there a Priest in the house? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4217068)

"I just got an email from Audiogalaxy explaining how they have come back from the dead..."

Please, will someone do an exorcism to put them out of their misery quickly?
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