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MS may want to... (-1, Offtopic)

N8Magic (196335) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218142)

... find out how to keep hackers OUT of it's OS first.

Re:MS may want to... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218221)

The first post moderated redundant? Ha ha! This is how I'm on Slashdot.

Re:MS may want to... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218371)

That's hilarious... I guess that's just an innately redundant comment? Geez.

Seems like a decent way. (5, Funny)

fireboy1919 (257783) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218279)

I just pictured this conversation in my head:

Minion: Sir?
Head of XBox Development: Yes?
Minion: We've been hearing reports of people hacking the XBox. Apparently its quite easy.
Head of XBox Development: (rubs temples) Alright. How many do you think there are?
Minion: Pardon?
Head of XBox Development: How many developers?
Minion: Oh. Couldn't be more than 30, sir.
Head of XBox Development: (breathes a sigh of relief) That's all? You had me worried for a minute there. Is the alligator pit and trapdoor working?
Minion: Yes sir. I just had maintenence check it over this morning.
Head of XBox Development: Excellent. And the other alligators?
Minion: The lawyers? Already creating reasonable doubt.
Head of XBox Development: Good. Alright, post a job offer with a handsome salary. Make sure you put the word "hacker" in it.
Minion: I'll get right on that-
Head of XBox Development: One more thing!
Minion: Yes, sir?
Head of XBox Development: Make sure slashdot finds out. Wouldn't want to miss any developers, now would we?
Minion: (smiles evilly) No, sir. I'll give our friends over there a call.

hi (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218143)

hi sdfg . testing

Re:hi (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218329)

Affirmative. It works! Have fun with it and remember to post a lot.

Read the contract carefully!! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218148)

It probably says something about the employee being neutered and lobotomized on page 16 paragraph 9f.

Re:Read the contract carefully!! (1)

opti6600 (582782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218242)

Yeah, well, we learned that if we played it stupid like Dilbert when the House comes for us, we'll be safe. Just don't end up as Gates' towelboy.

(Score 0, Funny? I would assume that more than one person modded this guy, right?)

I would assume (4, Interesting)

The Electric Messiah (591306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218151)

that any employment contract would forbid them from working on any of the XBox projects out there already, such as the XBox Linux Project, or from even disseminating any information they learn whatsoever. Maybe MS is trying to gut these projects before anything else is accomplished?

This calls for 10 questions to that newly employed (1)

urbieta (212354) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218184)

We should ask the new microsoft employee to answer the 10 best questions in ASK SLASHDOT section!

That would be fun, question No. 1
q 1.- Are you forbidden to disclose your real name?
a 1.- yep!

Call me crazy, but... (2, Informative)

Faust7 (314817) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218228)

I don't think Microsoft is too concerned about the Xbox Linux Project. :)

Re:I would assume (2)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218295)

maybe, but I would think that if these people went to MS someone else would take their place, MS doesn't hoard *all* the smart people of the world.

I would say they are trying to make their hardware harder to crack and software harder to copy and/or emulate (especially being that it is on PC hardware).

They aren't the completely evil company so many of you think.

Well maybe they are but still ;)

BUSH ON 9/11 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218152)

Lucky me! I hit the trifecta!
Story here! Just look at October 2001 [startribune.com]

yeah right (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218153)

why would an xbox-LINUX hacker want to take a job at MICROSOFT? so they can help M$ stop the xbox-linux hackers from acheiving their goals? fat chance...

Re:yeah right (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218167)

The '$' in 'M$' says it all. Not all Linux hackers are as idealistic as, say, Alan Cox and other known high priests of Linux. In fact, I'm pretty sure many of them would sell out if the price was high enough.

Re:yeah right (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218174)

Money. Ideals are nothing for most people, when money is involved.

Re:yeah right (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218258)

How many people do you think joined the Xbox Linux project *after* the $200,000 prize was announced? I'd venture quite a few...

hire the people fucking them over? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218155)

yeah, so they can take em' down from the inside!

Fairlight (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218157)

Wonder if Microsoft have been in contact with Fairlight yet..

We all knew this was going to happen (5, Interesting)

Powercntrl (458442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218160)

The Xbox is really just the pilot program for palladium. Once all the security holes are patched, Microsoft will then use what they've learned (after patenting it, of course) to create the most difficult-to-hack DRM PC standard.

Let's just hope sellout hackers aren't as good as not-for-profit hackers.

Re:We all knew this was going to happen (1)

Troy H Parker (600654) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218173)

A likely story.... How long has MS been trying to make Windows secure? 20 years from now XBox will be secure.

Re:We all knew this was going to happen (3, Interesting)

Chairboy (88841) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218183)

When I first read the above message, I thought it was just fluff, but if you think about it... the X-Box does a lot of what Palladium is described as.

At the very least, I would be amazed if Palladium development did not carefully scrutinize successes and failures of the X-Box model.

Re:We all knew this was going to happen (1)

dakoda (531822) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218339)

I too fear this may be the beginning of real drm. All protection on-die.

although, fwiw, i often find the not-for-profit hackers better at most things than suits, except when it comes to user interface design :)

This makes me sick! (3, Insightful)

Lieutenant_Dan (583843) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218163)

As soon as someone provides something innovative to the community, there goes MS buying up all the talent so that they die a quiet death in one of the gray offices in Redmond.

When will they finally see that the best way to improve MS is to allow the Open Source developer community free rein in order to come out with more and more brilliant ideas and concepts?

Re:This makes me sick! (1)

SamBeckett (96685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218172)

When will they finally see that the best way to improve MS is to allow the Open Source developer community free rein in order to come out with more and more brilliant ideas and concepts?


Such as?

Re:This makes me sick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218178)

Such as?

The shell sort for example. Or TCP/IP. Or DeCSS. The list is virtually endless.

Re:This makes me sick! (1)

DavidJA (323792) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218300)

The shell sort for example. Or TCP/IP. Or DeCSS. The list is virtually endless

On a games console? Exactly what use is a shell on a games console?

Re:This makes me sick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218309)

Dave, pay attention.

The guys were talking about examples of good Open Source projects in general. They weren't refering to the Xbox video game system.

Re:This makes me sick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218325)

The shell sort for example. Or TCP/IP. Or DeCSS. The list is virtually endless

On a games console? Exactly what use is a shell on a games console?

man, a "shell sort" is an algorithm to sort a list of items, nothing to do with a command shell. geez, didn't you ever take a programming class?

Re:This makes me sick! (1)

Ironpoint (463916) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218382)

"shell" sort needs a new name.

Can you imaginge if, at the airport, they called the jetways, "boarding wings".

This kind of stuff is allover mechanics. Like blower motor. There's half a dozen things on a car that blow. You're just supposed to know that it refers to the one hooked up to the vents. Or that simply "the axle" is what is fixed when a CV joint goes bad.

How about we call it "array sort". or "word sort" or "register sort" Something like that.

Re:This makes me sick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218193)

It's business.. microsoft wants all the money they can get. If you had all the power of a top technology company, would you turn it all over to open source ? Money corrupts.

Re:This makes me sick! (1)

TheCabal (215908) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218220)

When will they finally see that the best way to improve MS is to allow the Open Source developer community free rein in order to come out with more and more brilliant ideas and concepts?

Maybe because Microsoft doesn't have to.

Also, Open Source has done very little (to use a BillG term) to create any innovations. They're all busy either writing an Yet Another MP3 player for their toasters, or writing Open Source clones of existing software (OpenOffice, etc). What innovations have Open Source come up with? Just the other week, people wanted an Open Source port of Exchange, for Christ's sake!

Hey (1)

ArchieBunker (132337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218282)

MS is making an offer, these people are free to ignore them or take it. What right do you have telling people who they should be allowed to work for?

Re:This makes me sick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218344)

This isn't so much about stopping the "innovation" of others as it is about protecting their own.

Re:This makes me sick! (2)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218370)

When will they finally see that the best way to improve MS is to allow the Open Source developer community free rein in order to come out with more and more brilliant ideas and concepts?

How the hell will this improve MS?? Their goal is total domination of all computer software; basically to collect a toll for anything and everything that someone does on a computer, and that requires monopoly control. How will disseminating new ideas and allowing free competition help that? MS isn't trying to help computing in general, or to make computing better for the users, they just want to have rigid control of it so they can make money.

At last! (1, Funny)

urbieta (212354) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218164)

After hacking games since those Atari times, at last I get a job oportunity! :)

Mom is already crying because I wont be home all day long! :(

Mystery! Intrigue! (5, Funny)

TACD (514008) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218169)

Which will be larger... the XBox, or the hackers hired to break it?

My opinion... (5, Funny)

MattC413 (248620) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218175)

Ackbar: "It's a trap!"

-Matt

Re:My opinion... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218192)

Comedy manbabies option?

Re:My opinion... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218201)

GO BACK TO FYAD!
No, seriously, Slashdot rots your mind more than that ever could.

Re:My opinion... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218243)

Or, from Army of Darkness (appropriate title, no?):

Ash: It's a trick. Get an axe.

no thanks. (5, Insightful)

Naikrovek (667) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218176)

Will any of the Xbox Linux participants take a stab at this job?

Why? So they can be part of the winning team that kills modchips forever?

no thanks.

Re:no thanks. (2)

Ooblek (544753) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218209)

Don't be too sure. Jobs are not easily found out there now, and the money is probably good.

There are always sell outs out there. They have people that wrote code that tries to track down P2P file swappers. I'm sure there are more than a few out there that are just chomping at the bit to help implement the USA-Wide identity card stuff. When you gotta eat, and you're tired of living in a cardboard box, principles go right out the window.

Re:no thanks. (5, Insightful)

Naikrovek (667) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218225)

When you gotta eat, and you're sick of the cardboard box, you don't abandon your morals for cash. you do everything in your power to live as good of a life as you can without throwing your morals out the window.

That's what morals are. The world is what we make it, pal, if you're so quick to do the wrong thing for a quick buck, then you go do that. I'm going to keep my spine and do what's necessary to live with myself & sleep at night.

I'm doing my part to make the world a place less driven by the dollars, and driven more by intelligence. Can you say that you're doing the same?

Money is a tool, and nothing more. It is to help you get out of the gutter & put you in a comfortable place and be able to provide for your children. It is NOT incentive to abandon your judgement.

Re:no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218254)

When you gotta eat, and you're sick of the cardboard box, you don't abandon your morals for cash.

Exactly! Everyone knows that there are no prostitutes to be found. :-/

When it comes down to morals vs. food and shelter, the latter wins. Those are necessary for life, morals aren't.

Re:no thanks. (1)

Raiford (599622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218315)

yes but the exchange leaves you with something that would be less than a good life ...

Re:no thanks. (2)

rnd() (118781) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218259)

Even if you think modchips are a Good Thing, that doesn't mean you should take a job at Microsoft creating DRM stuff.

Why not enjoy the sport of it and let the best hacker win. That's what it's all about, isn't it? Not about turning down perfectly good dollars so that technology can stay "easy" to mod.

Re:no thanks. (1)

jethro200 (573288) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218272)

First of all, i wouldn't exactly call preventing people from hacking products, and breaking the agreement they made when they purchased those products a case of "bad judgement". Second, if you want the world to be more driven by intelligence, the you should enojy the challenge this will present to all the hackers out there when it is harder to crack. Third of all, you have obviously never lived in a cardboard box, or anywhere close to it. When your kids are hungry, and the electric is about to get shut off, you don't really give a damn about whether or not people will be able to run linux on their xbox. there are more imortant things in life than that.

Re:no thanks. (2)

jpt.d (444929) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218308)

A flaw: I bought the product not a license. I own that product, I will do what ever the hell I want with it. If it took defending myself than so be it.

Re:no thanks. (2)

Ooblek (544753) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218341)

Yeah, that all works fine for the college kid who likes to gloat over his SourceForge community project.

While I didn't mean that *I* would throw my morals out the window for a buck, it is certainly a fact that your ideal world where everyone sticks to their guns is a fantasy. I've seen far too many 20ish people have the same attitude as you, and I'm as guilty as anyone is. When you decide that you're sick of seeing this know-nothings drive the nice cars while you're deciding if you want to pay rent or fix yours, or possibly just fricking sick and tired of living with five other roomates to be able to afford rent, your morals will disappear too.

Then try raising a family. You don't have the luxury of morals when you have children crying themselves to sleep because they are hungry. I'd stick a knife in the next person if it meant the difference between feeding my family and upholding my morals, and I don't apologize for it.

Re:no thanks. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218348)

if you cant make money doing moral deeds than your just plain stupid.

if you have kids without money to support them you're just plain stupid.

if you put yourself in that position from the start your just plain stupid.

!!!

Re:no thanks. (5, Insightful)

Jonathunder (105885) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218369)

"Then try raising a family. You don't have the luxury of morals when you have children crying themselves to sleep because they are hungry. I'd stick a knife in the next person if it meant the difference between feeding my family and upholding my morals, and I don't apologize for it."

Especially when raising children, morals are not a luxury.

I hate preaching, so let me be plain. If you mean the last sentence about sticking a knife if that's what it takes, please don't breed.

Re:no thanks. (2)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218373)

maybe they want to work for one of the worlds biggest software companies and make a good salary? Have you checked the job market lately? Nobody with half a brain would turn down a job offer like this.

Hell's Help Wanted Ad (4, Funny)

Alien54 (180860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218181)

Almost sounds like Satan putting up a Help Wanted advertisement, looking to recruit more staff for the circles of hell

[I cam sure that others could cook up something like this, a poster or something, with far greater finesse than this quick effort]

  • "Tired of Creative Freedom?"
  • "enjoy screwing with the minds of others?"
  • "do you take sadistic pleasure in your work?"

    Then You may qualify to Become a Minion for his Satanic Majesty today

Re:Hell's Help Wanted Ad (3, Funny)

Ted_Green (205549) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218232)

"Tired of Creative Freedom?"
"enjoy screwing with the minds of others?"
"do you take sadistic pleasure in your work?"

Two out of three ain't bad.

Re:Hell's Help Wanted Ad (1)

Phosphor3k (542747) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218240)

Hmmm. Where do I sign up?

Re:Hell's Help Wanted Ad (1)

machine of god (569301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218264)

"enjoy screwing with the minds of others?"

"do you take sadistic pleasure in your work?"


Then You may qualify to Become a Minion for his Satanic Majesty today


actually, it sounds like I might like this job.

Re:Hell's Help Wanted Ad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218361)

Looks like you forgot to close your tag there.

Re:Hell's Help Wanted Ad (3, Funny)

Grishnakh (216268) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218380)

You really insult Satan by comparing him to Microsoft. Even Satan doesn't stoop to such depths that MS does.

Sounds like N.U.R.V. (1)

CaptainAx (606247) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218182)

This sounds like the movie "Antitrust".

Re:Sounds like N.U.R.V. (2)

scott1853 (194884) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218219)

In Anti-trust they went to extremes to steal the work of programmers working outside the company. MS is a little sneakier, they're going to bring them into the company, and then steal all their previous, current, and future work.

how much would it pay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218185)

Because if you really know your stuff,
you could potentially make a lot more by winning the money.

The business plan revealed at last.... (5, Funny)

mikeee (137160) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218188)

1. Begin work on Linux for XBox.
2. Get hired for high-paying, do-nothing job at Microsoft.
3. Profit!

It's the accordian minstral theory (if you tip him, he'll go away...)

Re:The business plan revealed at last.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218204)

Yes. Microsoft hires people to do nothing. They have no desire to learn from those who show talent in the area in which they'd like to improve themselves.
You kiddies can be so cute in your MS-bashing. You'd come off as a lesser jackass if you only took issue with the real issues, and ADMIT when MS is actually moving in the right direction.
Pity you.

1. Begin work on Linux for XBox.
2. Get hired for high-paying, do-nothing job at Microsoft.
3. Profit!

It's the accordian minstral theory (if you tip him, he'll go away...)

Re:The business plan revealed at last.... (1)

opti6600 (582782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218281)

Actually, think about this for a second.

Now, some developers DO indeed make mod chips that allow pirated games to be played on the console. Consider that this is the only method of revenue from XBox consoles.

So, when Microsoft retains professionals from the developer pool that have the probability to create or program a device or piece of software for the XBox that detracts revenue from MS, it saves them cash. Even if this person just sits there, the money spent retaining him is most likely less than the dent he could put in XBox game sales through his development efforts.

As horrible as this is, its pretty much the truth.

I hope they get someone good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218189)

So that we xboxhackers can have more stuff to break :) Make things interesting.

Re:I hope they get someone good (1)

Trespass (225077) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218218)

The world needs more people like you, my friend.

I say this without a hint of irony.

Nope (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218190)

All the good Xbox hackers are already paid for ;)

(The ones that originally broke it, whose work was the basis for modchips)

I assume you're being fascetious about the jobs (2)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218195)

Since anyone working on XBox Linux with genuine credentials can already get a job (and anyone who just has 5ki115 wouldn't show up on MS radar,) and, just so you know, I've detected a distinct undercurrent of anti MS hostility among the dedicated linux devel crowd, but maybe it's just me. Of course, there's a little cognitive dissonance in being anti-MS and working on MS hardware - economics aside, it is a mindshare thing.

I was prepared to complain about pointlessly villifying MS, but reading the job description it really looks like they want to hire someone to nip modchipping in the bud.

Re:I assume you're being fascetious about the jobs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218296)

"I've detected a distinct undercurrent of anti MS hostility among the dedicated linux devel crowd"

Wow, you're a genius. An undercurrent of hostility? More like overt, unfettered, slavering hatred.

MS rounding up mod chip makers (5, Funny)

rob-fu (564277) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218202)

from the job application...

1. Do you have expertise with modification chips?

2. If so, do you know other people who have your level of expertise with these chips?

3. If you answered yes to number 3, provide the names, addresses, telephone numbers, and email addresses of all of these people. We're interested in prosecuting^H^H^H^H^H contacting them.

What better way to beat the mod chip makers then to recruit them.

Re:MS rounding up mod chip makers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218357)

creating mod chips is only illegal in the us and only due to the unjust dmca.

slashdot/ms != usa

BS Required (4, Insightful)

Nintendork (411169) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218210)

"BS in Computer Science or Computer Engineering required."

There's hacking classes in college? Somebody needs to smack the entire H.R. dept. for weeding out a lot of talented folks.

-Lucas

Re:BS Required (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218255)

I don't know which University you went to but at mine, yes there was. CMU has some interesting classes once in a while.

Depends on where you went to school (3, Interesting)

Carnage4Life (106069) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218303)

There's hacking classes in college? Somebody needs to smack the entire H.R. dept. for weeding out a lot of talented folks.

I distinctly remember taking a Linux kernel hacking class [gatech.edu] when I was in college which amongst other things included hacking Linux on the iPaq. I also seem to remember that one of my group members was in a video game class at the same time which included projects such as hack Quake I [gatech.edu] .

Re:BS Required (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218355)

Does writing assembly for the motorola 68000 count?

Re:BS Required (5, Funny)

BlueGecko (109058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218363)

It's OK. All they're requiring is that you have said some BS about software and hardware. I'd think any of us could do that.

Or is that not what they meant?

Unhackable... (1)

uberkuba (554839) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218214)

M$ has the master plan to create "unhackable" devices. This can not be done through removing the current generation of hackers from the equation. But even if they succeed they are not going to get rid of the problem of cracking and piracy. By introducing "safe" computing platforms they are going to make the problem worse.
Someone WILL work out a way of controling the "unhackable" device. But because that device will be trusted they would then have the power of causing more damage then now as there will be fewer safeguards higher up the chain.
Anyway, it could be a cool job as long as there is no contractual sideffects, ie "Thou shalt not own xbox or work for competition in the forseeable future because thou knoweth of the secret M$ back door blah blah blah...". If you are already into hardware modding I think its unlikely that you'd get to do anything new at M$ though.

Commercial Interests (1)

HermesHuang (606596) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218223)

Like it or not, software companies do need to turn a profit to keep on working and paying salaries and stuff. And when you start making game consoles, all your profits are from selling the games.
If you want a computer, get a computer. It won't cost much more, and works so much better as a computer. Game consoles are inherently different beasts - I know from various gaming friends that we who prefer computer games never see eye-to-eye in terms of what makes a good game with the people who prefer console games. And the name of the game with a console is being exclusive. Computers are designed to do everything under the moon with the right program. Consoles only run games, and only those specifically made for it. There's a reason they don't publish API's for a game console.

If you made Halo for computers, no one would by Xbox's, and much fewer people would be buying the game (for the computer). Consoles simply are not computers, and I don't think we should treat them as such. PDA's are much closer to computers then game consoles.

Re:Commercial Interests (1)

dwgranth (578126) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218291)

If you made Halo for computers, no one would by Xbox's, and much fewer people would be buying the game (for the computer). Consoles simply are not computers, and I don't think we should treat them as such. PDA's are much closer to computers then game consoles.

Check out this... Halo is going to be released for PC.. this argument is moot then.

http://www.bluesnews.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl show=386 [bluesnews.com]


And for the xbox being meant as only a console.. well.. the line has really really blurred since you can check out the very computer-like specifications here... geez

http://www.xboxgamers.com/hardware/console/index.s html [xboxgamers.com]

Re:Commercial Interests (1)

chris_mahan (256577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218364)

Like it or not, companies don't have to turn out a profit. They can go out of business so that their badly designed, badly implemented, highly buggy (but admirably marketed) software can once and for all be removed from circulation like the cheap hoe that it is, and allow real programmers who write really good and reliable software to make computers secure and easy-to-use so the rest of society can go back to their respective careers instead of having to try to remember what kind of file extension is safe to left-click in an email message.

I assume.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218230)

..they won't do it. And if they do, they will no longer be Linux Xbox hackers. They will be, Microsoft developers. (what kinda question was that anyway?)

Not the first time... (2, Insightful)

Farrax (83670) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218231)

Turbine Entertainment, who make Asheron's Call (Microsoft's MMORPG offering), have been hiring the people who hack it for quite some time now. Turns out if you are able to hack the system, sometimes you're a bigger expert on it than the people who made it!

(No joke... Todd Berkbile, AC's lead systems programmer now, came from "Todd's Hacking Zone" -- and he's modified some core systems that his predecessors were scared to touch due to flammability.)

Re:Not the first time... (1)

BlacKat (114545) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218260)

Microsoft are the publisher's of Asheron's Call as well, so it's really not like it'd be the first time for them either. :)

Slashdot to go down on 9/11 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218236)

Out of respect for those who lost their lives at the two towers, Slashdot will turn its webservers off for the duration of the day.

Thank you for understanding.

CmdrTaco

Re:Slashdot to go down on 9/11 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218261)


If Slashdot is turned off on 9/11, then the terrorists have won.

Re:Slashdot to go down on 9/11 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218314)

What am I going to do? I get all my news from Slashdot! I'm doomed!!!

Odd (0)

Bri3D (584578) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218237)

This came out about the same time as the Halo 2 Trailer [xbox.com] . It requires Windows Media Player 9 beta, showing that M$ doesn't care. Then again, Linux software is just fine, and lots of it is beta. The "beta" M$ software is the same as the "full" stuff anyway!

The perfect opportunity! (0, Flamebait)

Proudrooster (580120) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218257)

This is a perfect opportunity to get a decent hacker inside Microsoft.

Sometimes to defeat the beast, you have to get into the "belly of the beast".

It is sad admission for Microsoft to put out this help wanted sign and admit that they don't already have the inhouse talent to deal with this problem. After all the XBOX is x86 architecture and no-one should do x86 better than the Microsoft.

If any XBOX hacker does decide to take this job and relocate to Redmond, whatever you do, don't sign your IP (Intellectual Property) rights away. That is the paper that states that Microsoft will own any thought you have past, present, or future just because they hired you at some point. Then when you quit, they can't threaten to sue you over every email and code post. You'll be FREE of the beast.

Once you are inside and have them believing you have turned to the darkside, we still need the source code for Windows 2000 and Windows NT so we can figure out exactly what a PDC (Primary Domain Controller) is doing. Also, we will need a back door engineering into the Palladium hardware so we can run all our Opensource rippers and players as trusted code on the x86 architecture.

And remember boys and girls, "Security is an illusion!"

Re:The perfect opportunity! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218297)

That's the most stupid post I've seen written in this thread yet. It's so full of baseless paranoia and moronic, ridiculous ideas it makes me sick.

Anyone who takes this offer... (1)

UrGeek (577204) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218289)

...need to lose the title "hacker" or "geek" for life. You will be joining a company were the VP in charge of their number one product (Windows) admitted to God and everybody that they suck. His excuse is "We all suck". I take great offense that, we do NOT all suck and I guarantee that you will never, never, NEVER find me touching a button for this organization if I live to 10 billion years!

Re:Anyone who takes this offer... (1)

TheCabal (215908) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218353)

I'm sorry, I must have missed the announcement that you were appointed as Dude in Charge of Title Endowments.

Unnamed Patron (4, Interesting)

Perdo (151843) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218310)

Perhaps the unnamed patron of the Linux X Box project is microsoft itself. They have been known to have an odd way of conducting job interview, this being an interview process similar to Halflife's.

As the old saying doesn't say... (2)

compwizrd (166184) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218313)

If you can't beat them,

Hire them.

Definition Please (1)

maxphunk (222449) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218324)

Dear Microsoft, Please define "game hacking knowledge."

Re:Definition Please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218367)

"game hacking knowledge": def. - Has used softice extensively to create character and or equipment mods in computer games.

or something like that

One thing your forgetting here... (2, Interesting)

Skuld-Chan (302449) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218332)

Is that were in an economic depression. One thing is for sure - if I was into xbox hacking and I had a CS degree (I don't - I was a social studies major) I would be applying. Judging by the last job fair (where it reminded me of getting into a insanely popular night club) here in Portland I think there's going to be a lot of CS/Engineer people applying too.

This is doubly so if you live in Oregon, Washington or California - where unemployment is still 1st, 2nd and 3rd highest in the nation respectively.

I mean its either that or going to work for stream international :).

What (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218340)

What is this?

Open Letter to Microsoft (4, Interesting)

We're All Alike (607138) | more than 11 years ago | (#4218342)

Dear Microsoft:

I am fully qualified for the position you have listed. In fact, I may be one of the most qualified applicants around. I have been hacking copy protect mechanisms since I was 7. I have something to tell you. You have heard this before from people just like me, but you have not listened.

You do not seem to realize that what you are doing, in your attempts to introduce completely 'trusted' computers, is evil. I'm not referring to your usual misguided 'save the world by taking it over' style of evil, I'm talking more of a killing kittens for fun kind of evil. You are, whether it is your intention or not, going to remove general purpose computing from the hands of the non-experts, and they won't know enough to stop you. Depending on your success I forsee one of two final results. The likeliest option is that you go out of business in 80 years, because your 'innovations' stunt the technological development of an entire generation and alienate those few who are intelligent enough to have become programmers anyways. In this case, you will set back humanity's development by hundreds of years. Or, alternately, you drive your existing user base to other platforms and go out of business in 5 years. I doubt you will allow the second option to happen.

I have not participated in the efforts to hack your hardware (XBox) previously because I did not want to support you by purchasing one. Now, I see the light. I, with the help of other slashdotters, have realized that the XBox is just a test run of your trusted computing initiatives. It is a chance for you to find the bugs in your system and fix them on a platform which attracts hackers, yet presents no serious loss when it is hacked. I have no doubt in my mind that if you manage to perfect this architecture you will waste no time in implementing it in desktop PCs and using your monopoly power to force a significant number of users over to it.

Therefore, this is my notice to you. I will not let you succeed. I am qualified for your position, but I will not be applying. I will be adding my intelligence to the effort to stop you, and I will succeed. And if I do not, it does not matter. Because I am not alone. You may stop this individual, but you can't stop us all. [hackers.com] And, in the end, you will lose. I promise.

-JM
101010

(Posted anonymously because Microsoft's lawyers are more expensive than mine.)

Re:Open Letter to Microsoft (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4218366)

p.s.

From my parent's basement in Wyoming, I stab at thee!.
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