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Hemos posted about 12 years ago | from the what-will-the-future-look-like dept.

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Jamyang writes "In the run-up to the first anniversary of September 11, Taiwan's President has accused China of threatening Taipei with "terrorist" tactics in a speech that will fuel Beijing's current fury: "Communist China has accelerated development of 'unrestricted warfare' similar to terrorist methods," he said. Reuters man in Taipei reckon he's referring to "Unrestricted Warfare" [PDF] by leading PLA strategists - Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui - who famously argued that China should focus on "asymmetric engagement" in the 21st century. In fact, many related secret documents have leaked out of China lately. Taiwan's Defense Ministry is taking the threat of infowar very seriously, as can be seen in their 2002 Defense Whitepaper. If the U.S. gets tied up in a ground war in the Middle East, China's going to be real tempted ...."

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Tom Clancy (4, Funny)

Jedi Alec (258881) | about 12 years ago | (#4219180)

I know it has been said before, but this is really too tempting. Are all government leaders using Clancy's latest novels to determine their course of action?

Re:Tom Clancy (1)

Kredal (566494) | about 12 years ago | (#4219238)

Yes, it's horrible when people reply to your sig, as if they have no comment having anything to do with the discussion at hand.

I would change my sig often too, if people kept replying to it. (:

The more things changed ... (1)

elegante (605380) | about 12 years ago | (#4219256)



As they say, "The More Things Changed, The More They Stay The Same".

What "president Chen of Taiwan" is doing / saying / purposing is an exact mirror of what "president Lee of Taiwan" has done, and failed.

Below is a repost message :

U.S.A: Taiwan's Dim Sum ?

Reposted from http://www.antiwar.com/orig/chu3.html

Taiwan Independence and Free Lunches by Bevin Chu Special to Antiwar.com
8/31/99

A standing joke among Sinologists, or China experts, is that the Taiwan independence movement's leaders are ready to fight to the last American G.I. The Taiwan independence motto could be summed up as Give me liberty, or give them death.

Taiwan "independence" has little to do with genuine independence. Taiwan "independence" is characterized by complete and utter dependency, materially and emotionally, on whomever wields the most power. A cliche constantly invoked in Taiwan political debates says it all: "Xi gua kao da bian" (The watermelon tilts toward the big end.)

Materially, the Taiwan "independence" movement is utterly dependent on America. Every evening, reunification proponents warn militant separatists on television debates they are courting disaster, and every evening the separatists argue that America will shield them from the negative consequences of refusing to negotiate in good faith with the Chinese mainland.

So far they have been proven right. Lawrence Eagleburger, Secretary of State to former President George Bush, lamented in the wake of President Bill Clinton's kneejerk dispatch of two carrier battle groups to the Taiwan Straits in 1996: They (Taiwan) have played us like a fiddle.

The Taiwan Relations Act's raison d'etre ended with Chairman Mao's death and his replacement by the man Mao denounced as the Number Two Capitalist Roader, Deng Xiaoping. Whatever purpose it may have once served, it is now merely a blank check signed by Uncle Sam and made out to the Taiwan separatist leadership, to be cashed at their convenience. The amount is yet to be determined, but sooner or later it will be inked in with the blood of American G.I.s.

The east Asian financial crisis was an textbook case of what economists refer to as moral hazard. International Monetary Fund guarantees amounted to an artificial incentive for wealthy investors to indulge in high-risk speculation, knowing the IMF would pull their chestnuts out of the fire if they underestimated how hot it would get.

The Taiwan Relations Act is the political and military analog of IMF bailout guarantees, amounting to an artificial incentive for stealth separatists like Lee Teng-hui to deliberately adopt non-starter negotiating positions and engage in reckless brinksmanship. They know the US Seventh Fleet will come steaming to their rescue if they overplay their hand and Beijing calls their bluff.

The moral hazard of IMF intervention resulted in east Asia bleeding oceans of red ink. The moral hazard of well-intentioned but wrong-headed assurances of American military intervention in the Taiwan Straits will bleed oceans of something far more precious.

American military leaders who may be required to send Americans into combat are painfully aware of the implications of Lee Teng-hui's shenanigans. As Admiral Dennis Blair, America's top military commander in the Pacific testified before Congress, Taiwan was crapping in the punch bowl of US-China relations.

ROC President Lee Teng-hui watched with delight as the US Air Force served as the air wing of the Kosovo Liberation Army. The timing of Lee's "two nations" provocation was hardly coincidental, coming as it did on the heels of NATO's Chinese Embassy bombing fiasco. Lee interpreted the event as his cue to stoop over the punchbowl and take yet another dump.

Fifty-eight thousand Americans ordered to Vietnam came home in bodybags. A black granite monument on the National Mall inscribed with their names serves as a solemn reminder of that tragic waste of American lives.

If our Beltway Bombardiers have failed to learn the lessons of Vietnam, as it appears they have, and pointlessly dispatch young Americans halfway around the world to intervene in a Chinese Civil War that is none of our business, how many will return in bodybags from the Taiwan Straits? After it is all over, win, lose or draw, what would they have died for?

Are American values what the Taiwan separatists hold sacred and expect American fighing men and women to die for? If that were the case, American intervention on the separatists' behalf might be slightly less absurd. But as we shall see, American values are not what the Taiwan independence movement is all about.

Ignore the scripted, feel-good speeches high-powered American PR firms like Cassidy & Associates have carefully coached Lee Teng-hui to spoonfeed our Congress and mainstream media. Ignore especially his 1996 Always in my Heart class reunion speech at Cornell, where he really laid it on with a trowel.

Instead find someone fluent in Chinese or better yet, Japanese, to translate what Lee and other Taiwanese separatists have written for the consumption of separatist militants in Taiwan and neo-fascist fellow travellers in Japan. Americans may be shocked to discover the Taiwanese separatists' bottom line objection to eventual reunification with China has little to do with professed admiration for American concepts of individualism, liberty, republican government, and everything to do with nostalgia for authoritarian Japanese colonial rule.

Lee Teng-hui's book Taiwan's Proposal, published shortly before his "two nations" declaration, is Lee's manifesto for Taiwan's future. It was ghost-written by an anonymous Japanese author from a right wing Japanese perspective. The first edition was in written in Japanese and printed in Japan. Only later was it translated into Chinese and printed in Taiwan. In it Lee praises Japanese culture as being incomparably superior to American culture. Lee boasts publicly that he is more thoroughly steeped in Japanese culture than even the average Japanese.

In case that went by too fast, let me repeat it. A manifesto by the President of the Republic of China, purporting to represent the interests of the people of Taiwan, is actually penned by a neofascist Japanese author in Japan,published in Japan, and only gets translated into Chinese afterwards?

Hello?

During a 1995 interview with visiting Japanese author Ryotaro Shiba, President Lee Teng-hui ordered his cabinet and bodyguards out of his office, and speaking in Japanese to a long lost countryman, gushed that he still considered himself Japanese until a young adult, wept when he heard Japan had surrended to the Allies and was returning Taiwan to China, and that his grief upon hearing Emperor Hirohito had died was more profound than that of Japanese in Japan. The conversation was ostensibly confidential, but Shiba, being a journalist first and Lee's confidant only in Lee's fevered imagination, promptly published their little tete a tete verbatim the minute he got back to Japan, where Japanese neo-fascists applauded it enthusiastically.

Far from being freedom fighters, Taiwanese "independence" leaders fell over each other to collaborate with Japanese colonial administrators for personal advantage.

Lee Teng-hui's father collaborated by serving as a deputy in the colonial Japanese police force, actively oppressing his own people. In return, his family received comfortable housing, quality rations, and educational opportunities. Lee Teng-hui himself attended the Universty of Kyoto, a singular "honor" doled out only to those deemed "politically reliable."

Lee's chief negotiator in cross-Straits negotiations with Beijing is crony capitalist Koo Chen-fu. An historian at Taiwan's Academia Sineca recently exposed Koo and the Koo family business empire as WWII era profiteers engaged in the selling of Taiwanese women into sexual slavery.

Younger Taiwan independence leaders born too late to have been collaborators routinely offer elaborate rationalizations for WWII era Japanese war crimes on local talk shows.

When China was refused an apology in writing from Japanese Prime Minister Obuchi for WWII war crimes, which included years of gang rape of Taiwanese comfort women and Joseph Mengele-style Unit 731 "medical experiments" performed on American POWs in Manchuria, Lee Teng-hui huffily proclaimed that "Japan has apologized enough. Any further apologizing will only harm Japan's dignity!"

Just before Lee threw his "two nations" gauntlet at Beijing's feet, he told Taiwan's media he detected early storm clouds of "kamikaze" (divine wind) gathering over the island of Taiwan. The media was baffled by his cryptic remark, but his intention soon became clear. Time is running out for Lee, just as it ran out for Japan's kamikaze squadrons approaching V-J Day. Lee is hoping his "two nations" proclamation will provoke war. As Dr. Alex Kao, an expert on Chinese military strategy sees it, Lee is gambling that the mainland will launch a premature war now which, 15 years from now, Taiwan would have no chance of winning.

Emotionally, the Taiwan "independence elite" is dependent on their former colonial master, Japan, into whose arms they will fling themselves if their divorce from China becomes a reality. Taiwan "independence" is merely a way station en route to their final destination, Tokyo. Even their proposed "Republic of Taiwan" flag is a fascimile of the Japanese Emperor's "Chrysanthemum Flag." Taiwan separatists would be jubilant if upon achieving "independence" they are promptly re-colonized by Japan.

Taiwan independence is a movement which if genuinely understood would evoke scant sympathy from Americans, certainly not from American POWs who survived the Bataan Death March, and the Taiwan independence leaders know it. So instead they recite the catechism they know patriotic Americans want to hear: Freedom, democracy, anti-communism.

In a sense we shouldn't blame the Taiwan "independence" parasites, who are really no different from sundry homegrown parasites. The parasites know perfectly well they're getting a free lunch at American taxpayers' expense, but as long as their generous Uncle Sammy insists on picking up the tab, they'd be crazy to pass up a free meal.

A few million in strategically distributed political contributions by the immensely wealthy Taiwan Lobby, and presto, highly-trained military personnel and trillions in advanced weaponry belonging to the World's Only Remaining Superpower are placed at their disposal. Americans who enlisted in our armed forces on the understanding their duty was to defend American territory from foreign invaders find themselves job-shopped as mercenaries to would-be founders of a would-be "Republic of Taiwan." The Taiwan tail winds up wagging the American dog. The Taiwan mouse roars, and the proud American eaglecrosses the Pacific to do the mouse's bidding.

A pretty shrewd bargain for the Taiwan "independence" movement. But what kind of a deal is it for Americans? We owe it to ourselves to consider long and hard whether Taiwan independence is something American taxpayers want to pay for with our sweat and American fighting men and women want to pay for with their blood.

What will happen to 22 million ordinary Taiwanese if America repeals the Taiwan Relations Act and informs the obdurate separatist Lee Teng-hui "You want independence? Lots of luck. You're on your own."

The answer is: Not a damned thing.

Instead the Taiwan independence movement's Japanophile elite will be forced to listen, for a change, to the 80% majority of Taiwan people who oppose Taiwan independence and are perfectly content with defacto autonomy. If they don't, the people will elect a more rational president, one who will drive a hard bargain and negotiate a high degree of regional autonomy under a "One Country, Two Systems" formula. Later, as the mainland liberalizes to a degree deemed satisfactory by Taiwan, the two sides will reunify peacefully along the lines of East and West Germany.

Both America and China will win. Heavily armed Taiwan will get an even better deal than Hongkong, which to the chagrin of China-haters has remained utterly unmolested since its restoration to China, despite being completely unarmed.

Only the Taiwanese separatist fanatics will lose. Without America's credit card on the dinner table they will have to stare at the prices on the menu before ordering. Without American carte blanche, Lee Teng-hui and his Taiwan "independence" elite will have to ask themselves whether their dream of becoming a satellite of Japan is worth risking their own miserable hides, rather than the lives of American servicemen and women.

But, as the libertarian battle cry coined by the late, great libertarian science fiction master Robert Heinlein goes, "Tanstaafl!" or "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch!"

The author is an American architect of Chinese descent registered to practice in Texas. Currently living and working in Taiwan, Chu is the son of a retired high-ranking diplomat with the ROC government.

underwear! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219276)

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Re:Tom Clancy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219350)

Tom Clancy is actually well respected in certain Republican policymaker circles. He has been known to advise the hawkish end of the Bush administration (Cheney, et al.) on possible terrorist scenarios, and on unorthodox wafare.

So it would come as no surprise that Clancy, who has also written several books on the military's high-tech weaponry, and is very familiar with modern geoplitical tensions, would be called on to use his wide imaginative talents to envisioning the nature of warfare between China and the United States and Taiwan.

Rear Admiral Amelia Phillips of the US Navy Pacific fleet has spoken informally with Clancy on this subject, and in a recent interview, had this to say:

"This is something I never wrote about be always thought of doing. My first incident to place when I was in the first year of my marriage to my husband. He was working 2nd shift and he was due to come home at 1:00AM. We asked Pam if she would take care of our animals while we went to the shore for the weekend. Pam and I were up talking that night about just about everything. She said she was tired and needed to get some sleep. I also went off to bed. I usually sleep, in the summer, just in a T-shirt and panties.

Well, about 11:30 I woke up and went the bathroom and decided to go out to the living room to check on Pam. I noticed she was curled up on the couch with the blanket on the floor. She was wearing a white T-shirt and little skimpy purple bikini panties. I picked up the blanket to put it on her and then she stretched out and when she did this pulled up her T-shirt exposing her breasts partially. I went to pull her T-shirt down then put the blanket on her. Just as I took a hold of her T-shirt she grabbed my hand and put it on her breasts. She then said to me,"have you ever fooled around with another woman?." I told her that I never had sex with another women, let alone my own sister. She slid up on the couch and kissed me and said, "It will be ok."

She pulled my T-shirt up and starting kissing my nipples and gently started to suck them. I couldn't believe that this was happening with my sister. She then told me to take my T-shirt off. I then pulled her T-shirt over her head and leaned down and starting sucking her pink nipples. She was so soft. Then I moved down her stomach and asked her to lay down. I kissed all the way down to her pubic area. I couldn't believe what I was about to do. I spread her legs and kissed and licked her through her panties. She smelled so good and now I wanted to taste her. I pulled her panties aside and licked her clit and started to suck her clit. She was moaning. I sucked even harder and then slid my middle finger inside of her and went in and out slowly with it. Then I would stop with my finger and slid my tongue inside of her. Darting my tongue in and out while using my thumb to rub her clit. Her ass lifted off the couch and she came as my tongue was in her. She tasted so delicious.

After she had her earth-shattering orgasm, she told me to sit on her face. So she pulled my white cotton panties off and laid on the floor. I straddled her face and she began to lick my pussy. I loved the feel of my sisters tongue just licking and lashing my pussy. She stuck her tongue inside of me various times. Each time she did this I would almost explode. Finally after only a few minutes, I couldn't hold on any longer. With the thrust of my hips and a loud scream I came on my sisters face. It was great. I loved every second of pleasure she gave me. We then got into a 69 and pleasured each other a few more times before my husband came home from work."

Re:Tom Clancy (2)

anonymous cupboard (446159) | about 12 years ago | (#4219430)

No, Clancy's post cold-war novels are now classified as they are used as briefing documents since his cooption by the Department of Homeland Insecurity.

Tempted to do what? (2, Offtopic)

trentfoley (226635) | about 12 years ago | (#4219181)

China's going to be real tempted ...."

...to make Saddam Hussein shaped firecrackers for American New Years celebrations

What the hell, its 10 til 3 in the morning and I've got karma to burn.

Re:Tempted to do what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219226)

Taiwan (ROC) is also on the verge of building a cruise missle that can reach the mainland.

Coupled with increased investment in the mainland, it would be very expensive to China to do this. And remember, China is fighting off economic colapse ala the USSR. They recently joined the WTO -- Mao must be rolling in his grave.

As long as Taiwan doesn't declare they are a seperate state (maintains status quo), China will do the same.

Re:Tempted to do what? (0, Redundant)

elegante (605380) | about 12 years ago | (#4219311)



Perhaps Taiwan is the party which is tempting to shed American G.I. blood to save their sorry ass.

Below is a repost: .S.A: Taiwan's Dim Sum ?

Reposted from http://www.antiwar.com/orig/chu3.html

Taiwan Independence and Free Lunches by Bevin Chu Special to Antiwar.com
8/31/99

A standing joke among Sinologists, or China experts, is that the Taiwan
independence movement's leaders are ready to fight to the last American G.I.
The Taiwan independence motto could be summed up as Give me liberty, or give
them death.

Taiwan "independence" has little to do with genuine independence. Taiwan
"independence" is characterized by complete and utter dependency, materially
and emotionally, on whomever wields the most power. A cliche constantly
invoked in Taiwan political debates says it all: "Xi gua kao da bian" (The
watermelon tilts toward the big end.)

Materially, the Taiwan "independence" movement is utterly dependent on
America. Every evening, reunification proponents warn militant separatists on
television debates they are courting disaster, and every evening the
separatists argue that America will shield them from the negative
consequences of refusing to negotiate in good faith with the Chinese
mainland.

So far they have been proven right. Lawrence Eagleburger, Secretary of State
to former President George Bush, lamented in the wake of President Bill
Clinton's kneejerk dispatch of two carrier battle groups to the Taiwan
Straits in 1996: They (Taiwan) have played us like a fiddle.

The Taiwan Relations Act's raison d'etre ended with Chairman Mao's death and
his replacement by the man Mao denounced as the Number Two Capitalist Roader,
Deng Xiaoping. Whatever purpose it may have once served, it is now merely a
blank check signed by Uncle Sam and made out to the Taiwan separatist
leadership, to be cashed at their convenience. The amount is yet to be
determined, but sooner or later it will be inked in with the blood of
American G.I.s.

The east Asian financial crisis was an textbook case of what economists refer
to as moral hazard. International Monetary Fund guarantees amounted to an
artificial incentive for wealthy investors to indulge in high-risk
speculation, knowing the IMF would pull their chestnuts out of the fire if
they underestimated how hot it would get.

The Taiwan Relations Act is the political and military analog of IMF bailout
guarantees, amounting to an artificial incentive for stealth separatists like
Lee Teng-hui to deliberately adopt non-starter negotiating positions and
engage in reckless brinksmanship. They know the US Seventh Fleet will come
steaming to their rescue if they overplay their hand and Beijing calls their
bluff.

The moral hazard of IMF intervention resulted in east Asia bleeding oceans of
red ink. The moral hazard of well-intentioned but wrong-headed assurances of
American military intervention in the Taiwan Straits will bleed oceans of
something far more precious.

American military leaders who may be required to send Americans into combat
are painfully aware of the implications of Lee Teng-hui's shenanigans. As
Admiral Dennis Blair, America's top military commander in the Pacific
testified before Congress, Taiwan was crapping in the punch bowl of US-China
relations.

ROC President Lee Teng-hui watched with delight as the US Air Force served as
the air wing of the Kosovo Liberation Army. The timing of Lee's "two nations"
provocation was hardly coincidental, coming as it did on the heels of NATO's
Chinese Embassy bombing fiasco. Lee interpreted the event as his cue to stoop
over the punchbowl and take yet another dump.

Fifty-eight thousand Americans ordered to Vietnam came home in bodybags. A
black granite monument on the National Mall inscribed with their names serves
as a solemn reminder of that tragic waste of American lives.

If our Beltway Bombardiers have failed to learn the lessons of Vietnam, as it
appears they have, and pointlessly dispatch young Americans halfway around
the world to intervene in a Chinese Civil War that is none of our business,
how many will return in bodybags from the Taiwan Straits? After it is all
over, win, lose or draw, what would they have died for?

Are American values what the Taiwan separatists hold sacred and expect
American fighing men and women to die for? If that were the case, American
intervention on the separatists' behalf might be slightly less absurd. But as
we shall see, American values are not what the Taiwan independence movement
is all about.

Ignore the scripted, feel-good speeches high-powered American PR firms like
Cassidy & Associates have carefully coached Lee Teng-hui to spoonfeed our
Congress and mainstream media. Ignore especially his 1996 Always in my Heart
class reunion speech at Cornell, where he really laid it on with a trowel.

Instead find someone fluent in Chinese or better yet, Japanese, to translate
what Lee and other Taiwanese separatists have written for the consumption of
separatist militants in Taiwan and neo-fascist fellow travellers in Japan.
Americans may be shocked to discover the Taiwanese separatists' bottom line
objection to eventual reunification with China has little to do with
professed admiration for American concepts of individualism, liberty,
republican government, and everything to do with nostalgia for authoritarian
Japanese colonial rule.

Lee Teng-hui's book Taiwan's Proposal, published shortly before his "two
nations" declaration, is Lee's manifesto for Taiwan's future. It was
ghost-written by an anonymous Japanese author from a right wing Japanese
perspective. The first edition was in written in Japanese and printed in
Japan. Only later was it translated into Chinese and printed in Taiwan. In it
Lee praises Japanese culture as being incomparably superior to American
culture. Lee boasts publicly that he is more thoroughly steeped in Japanese
culture than even the average Japanese.

In case that went by too fast, let me repeat it. A manifesto by the President
of the Republic of China, purporting to represent the interests of the people
of Taiwan, is actually penned by a neofascist Japanese author in Japan,
published in Japan, and only gets translated into Chinese afterwards?

Hello?

During a 1995 interview with visiting Japanese author Ryotaro Shiba,
President Lee Teng-hui ordered his cabinet and bodyguards out of his office,
and speaking in Japanese to a long lost countryman, gushed that he still
considered himself Japanese until a young adult, wept when he heard Japan had
surrended to the Allies and was returning Taiwan to China, and that his grief
upon hearing Emperor Hirohito had died was more profound than that of
Japanese in Japan. The conversation was ostensibly confidential, but Shiba,
being a journalist first and Lee's confidant only in Lee's fevered
imagination, promptly published their little tete a tete verbatim the minute
he got back to Japan, where Japanese neo-fascists applauded it
enthusiastically.

Far from being freedom fighters, Taiwanese "independence" leaders fell over
each other to collaborate with Japanese colonial administrators for personal
advantage.

Lee Teng-hui's father collaborated by serving as a deputy in the colonial
Japanese police force, actively oppressing his own people. In return, his
family received comfortable housing, quality rations, and educational
opportunities. Lee Teng-hui himself attended the Universty of Kyoto, a
singular "honor" doled out only to those deemed "politically reliable."

Lee's chief negotiator in cross-Straits negotiations with Beijing is crony
capitalist Koo Chen-fu. An historian at Taiwan's Academia Sineca recently
exposed Koo and the Koo family business empire as WWII era profiteers engaged
in the selling of Taiwanese women into sexual slavery.

Younger Taiwan independence leaders born too late to have been collaborators
routinely offer elaborate rationalizations for WWII era Japanese war crimes
on local talk shows.

When China was refused an apology in writing from Japanese Prime Minister
Obuchi for WWII war crimes, which included years of gang rape of Taiwanese
comfort women and Joseph Mengele-style Unit 731 "medical experiments"
performed on American POWs in Manchuria, Lee Teng-hui huffily proclaimed that
"Japan has apologized enough. Any further apologizing will only harm Japan's
dignity!"

Just before Lee threw his "two nations" gauntlet at Beijing's feet, he told
Taiwan's media he detected early storm clouds of "kamikaze" (divine wind)
gathering over the island of Taiwan. The media was baffled by his cryptic
remark, but his intention soon became clear. Time is running out for Lee,
just as it ran out for Japan's kamikaze squadrons approaching V-J Day. Lee is
hoping his "two nations" proclamation will provoke war. As Dr. Alex Kao, an
expert on Chinese military strategy sees it, Lee is gambling that the
mainland will launch a premature war now which, 15 years from now, Taiwan
would have no chance of winning.

Emotionally, the Taiwan "independence elite" is dependent on their former
colonial master, Japan, into whose arms they will fling themselves if their
divorce from China becomes a reality. Taiwan "independence" is merely a way
station en route to their final destination, Tokyo. Even their proposed
"Republic of Taiwan" flag is a fascimile of the Japanese Emperor's
"Chrysanthemum Flag." Taiwan separatists would be jubilant if upon achieving
"independence" they are promptly re-colonized by Japan.

Taiwan independence is a movement which if genuinely understood would evoke
scant sympathy from Americans, certainly not from American POWs who survived
the Bataan Death March, and the Taiwan independence leaders know it. So
instead they recite the catechism they know patriotic Americans want to hear:
Freedom, democracy, anti-communism.

In a sense we shouldn't blame the Taiwan "independence" parasites, who are
really no different from sundry homegrown parasites. The parasites know
perfectly well they're getting a free lunch at American taxpayers' expense,
but as long as their generous Uncle Sammy insists on picking up the tab,
they'd be crazy to pass up a free meal.

A few million in strategically distributed political contributions by the
immensely wealthy Taiwan Lobby, and presto, highly-trained military personnel
and trillions in advanced weaponry belonging to the World's Only Remaining
Superpower are placed at their disposal. Americans who enlisted in our armed
forces on the understanding their duty was to defend American territory from
foreign invaders find themselves job-shopped as mercenaries to would-be
founders of a would-be "Republic of Taiwan." The Taiwan tail winds up wagging
the American dog. The Taiwan mouse roars, and the proud American eagle
crosses the Pacific to do the mouse's bidding.

A pretty shrewd bargain for the Taiwan "independence" movement. But what kind
of a deal is it for Americans? We owe it to ourselves to consider long and
hard whether Taiwan independence is something American taxpayers want to pay
for with our sweat and American fighting men and women want to pay for with
their blood.

What will happen to 22 million ordinary Taiwanese if America repeals the
Taiwan Relations Act and informs the obdurate separatist Lee Teng-hui "You
want independence? Lots of luck. You're on your own."

The answer is: Not a damned thing.

Instead the Taiwan independence movement's Japanophile elite will be forced
to listen, for a change, to the 80% majority of Taiwan people who oppose
Taiwan independence and are perfectly content with defacto autonomy. If they
don't, the people will elect a more rational president, one who will drive a
hard bargain and negotiate a high degree of regional autonomy under a "One
Country, Two Systems" formula. Later, as the mainland liberalizes to a degree
deemed satisfactory by Taiwan, the two sides will reunify peacefully along
the lines of East and West Germany.

Both America and China will win. Heavily armed Taiwan will get an even better
deal than Hongkong, which to the chagrin of China-haters has remained utterly
unmolested since its restoration to China, despite being completely unarmed.

Only the Taiwanese separatist fanatics will lose. Without America's credit
card on the dinner table they will have to stare at the prices on the menu
before ordering. Without American carte blanche, Lee Teng-hui and his Taiwan
"independence" elite will have to ask themselves whether their dream of
becoming a satellite of Japan is worth risking their own miserable hides,
rather than the lives of American servicemen and women.

But, as the libertarian battle cry coined by the late, great libertarian
science fiction master Robert Heinlein goes, "Tanstaafl!" or "There ain't no
such thing as a free lunch!"

The author is an American architect of Chinese descent registered to practice
in Texas. Currently living and working in Taiwan, Chu is the son of a retired
high-ranking diplomat with the ROC government.

Oooty Oooty! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219184)

Shake ya damn booty!

Shadowrun (1)

Ramuh (153125) | about 12 years ago | (#4219186)

Every day it seems like things are getting more like Shadowrun [everything2.com] .

China can get away with it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219189)

Simply because they got nukes and they are pointed at Los Angeles [ceip.org] . I doubt US will intervine if say Chinese government decided to invade Taiwan tomorrow. There is too much at stake. Saddam is small fish, China is a superpower. There lies the difference.

Wrong - China can't get away with it (3, Insightful)

Infonaut (96956) | about 12 years ago | (#4219211)

China will not risk nuclear war with the United States over Taiwan. While China does have nukes, their reliability is untested, their accuracy is questionable, and their arsenal is a small sliver of what the US has. Would they risk getting wiped off the face of the earth in a nuke exchange with the US, when they wouldn't have the capability to completely disable the US? No.

Would the US intervene if China invaded Taiwan? Absolutely. The intervention might not take the form of massive troop deployments, but you could certainly expect massive air and sea-based theater weapons such as cruise missiles, fuel-air bombs, and the like to be brought to bear on massed Chinese forces.

Whether China could defeat Taiwan is certainly open for debate, but the US would not sit idly by and let China launch an unprovoked attack without doing something about it. For the US not to do so would be tantamount to approving of the invasion, which is ludicrous to imagine.

Re:Wrong - China can't get away with it (2, Interesting)

RoguePsion (558561) | about 12 years ago | (#4219250)

I highly doubt that the US would risk using nukes against the Chinese short of them using nukes on taiwan, and even then there would probably be much hesitation. Even a tactical nuclear strike would be unwise; nuclear weapons have only been used twice offensively, and the debate on whether it was "right" or not still continues. Besides that, China's nuclear capability may be weak, but do you think the Russians would sit idly by, even if the fallout didn't drift into Russian territory?

However, it does seem unlikely that China would risk (conventional) war with the US over Taiwan; they may have over one billion people, but much of their military technology dates back to the fifties. In the case of invasion, the US would almost certainly come to Taiwan's aid, for better or for worse.

Re:Wrong - China can't get away with it (3, Informative)

Infonaut (96956) | about 12 years ago | (#4219297)

I agree that using nukes would be unwise, and I doubt that the US would ever have either cause or compunction to use them in defense of Taiwan. As you note, China's military infrastructure is in most aspects rather antiquated. Their unsophisticated C3I capabilities in particular would make them extremely vulnerable as they massed in the attack.

I'm not sure what you mean about the Russians sitting idly by (or not sitting idly by). Remember that their relationship with China over the years has been anything but smooth, and from a geopolitical point of view, they're natural competitors for the bulk of the Asian land mass. Are you implying that if China and the US engaged in a nuclear exchange, China would bring their own nukes into the fray?

Re:Wrong - China can't get away with it (1, Informative)

L1nUx h4x0r (574828) | about 12 years ago | (#4219408)

However, it does seem unlikely that China would risk (conventional) war with the US over Taiwan; they may have over one billion people, but much of their military technology dates back to the fifties. In the case of invasion, the US would almost certainly come to Taiwan's aid, for better or for worse.

Perhaps you've fallen behind in recent arms trades... Muzi [216.239.51.100]

Also, China's missiles don't seem to shabby... News Max [newsmax.com]

I'm sure there are other deals going on. Russia's willing to sell anything to make a buck. You might say that their technology is behind the times as well, but it's a funny thing. If you have the airpower, then there is a lot of things you can do with a billion people...

Re:Wrong - China can't get away with it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219521)

Question: If some radioctive fallout hit our country, can we toss a few bombs on a US city then? Not very big bombs, but just big enough to be able to kill maybe some hundred or so. Just to get even, sort of... I mean, that would be fair, wouldn't it?

Since radioactive fallou = terror = right to get even with bombs/rockets

Re:China can get away with it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219241)

Simply because they got nukes and they are pointed at Los Angeles [ceip.org].

Umm, all those people against Bush and his missile defense policy? Um, yeah. Ever heard Denis Leary's song "I'm an Asshole"? "We've got the bombs!"

Seriously, this may sound a bit trollish, but the rest of the world knows (and damn well better) not to f**k with the US. If so many fags weren't against the "war in Afghanistan" well we'da showed that camel-fucker bin Laden what we're really capable of. Saddam Hussein is small potatoes too. If there wasn't this whole global consesus bullcrap we could take over the world. I mean, look what Bill Gates has done, and he's just a businessman.

Re:China can get away with it. (4, Interesting)

Ryu2 (89645) | about 12 years ago | (#4219242)

I would submit that Taiwan itself is more of a deterrent than the US for preventing any hostility between China and Taiwan... the reason is simple: Taiwan is now China's third largest investor, next to the US and Japan -- even despite limits on investment activity set by the Taiwanese government. Other than the most advanced technology, much of Taiwan's high-tech manufacturing, such as chip fabs, has been farmed out to factories in Guangdong and Fujian provinces, as well as many other parts of China. The relationship is a lot like say, US and Mexico for instance.

Taiwan pumps a LOT into the Chinese economy, and the Chinese know it. The leaders of China may be aggressive, because face is everything, and they want to maintain a strong posture to the world. Nevertheless, they are not irrational or suicidal. A trade embargo between Taiwan and China would be plenty damaging enough, even without US military intervention (which is also a guarantee -- Taiwan and the US are still subject to terms of their mutual defense treaty, signed as part of US switching diplomatic recognition to the PRC in 1979.)

Re:China can get away with it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219498)

LOL.

You should have at least a smidgen of understanding on the current situation before you try to post - although I understand this is not generally a /. prerequisite.

China is in no way dependent on Taiwan for it's economic growth - in fact, it is the other way round. It is Taiwanese business leadership, remember, that is desperate for direct Straits transportation links. It is also the Taiwanese business faction who are now distancing themselves from Chen Shui-Bian's remarks that Taiwan should invest in South-East Asia rather than China - for the simple reason that China is Taiwan's future. If not politically, then at least economically.

Re:China can get away with it. (1)

thecampbeln (457432) | about 12 years ago | (#4219254)

I was under the impression that China's capabilities were far more limited then you state, which they are but not nearly as much as I thought... Check out this BBC page [bbc.co.uk] for more info.

As for China being a "Super Power", it's been my understanding that the USA is the world's last Super Power!? I'm not certain why this is as China has shear numbers behind it (not to mention nukes and some form of space program, as does the EU), but most live in 3rd world conditions, so I guess that knocks them down a peg... or maybe that's just good ole American arrogance? (which I can get away with saying, as I am myself an gringo =)

So who are the world's Super Powers? A quick Google Search [google.com] did me no good, so what are the requirements and the current list? Anyone?

Re:China can get away with it. (2)

cscx (541332) | about 12 years ago | (#4219263)

Oh yeah? I read in the Weekly World News (the definitive news source) that if the Chinese government got all X billion Chinese to jump up and down at once, they could throw the Earth off its axis! Try that on for size! :D

superpowers (1)

johnsjs (471712) | about 12 years ago | (#4219376)

So who are the world's Super Powers? A quick Google Search [google.com] did me no good, so what are the requirements and the current list? Anyone?

Try 'definition superpower' in google, and you'll get a couple of interesting and subjective suggestions, the most logical (from a historical perspective) of which seem to suggest that you may only have one superpower at a time, with zero, one, or more major competitors, that may or may not assume the crown over time.

http://www.dictionary.com on the other hand gives us

1)A powerful and influential nation, especially a nuclear power that dominates its allies or client states in an international power bloc.

and;

2)a state powerful enough to influence events throughout the world.

Neither of these seem to restrict membership of the club to 1 member, and you could certainly make a case for China to qualify under either definition, although I think it's fair to say that the US is at the top of the superpower tree by any reasonable assessment.

Re:superpowers (1)

thecampbeln (457432) | about 12 years ago | (#4219454)

2)a state powerful enough to influence events throughout the world.

Huh... I'd have to subscribe to the #2 in the list, though I'd submit that in order to be able to be powerful enough to influence events throughout the world you would need to be a nuclear state with more then a limited regional range as a pre-req (suggesting some sort of space program as a R&D bed). The idea that there is only one super power at any one time is bullshit... look at the cold war. USA -vs- Russia. The US influenced the western world and Russia influenced Asia almost entirely (not to mention eastern Europe). Vietnam being a prime example of USA -vs- Russia.

My own personal opinion is that the US is at the top of world super powers, with China in a distant second (thanks to it being basicially a 3rd world country with some 1st world technology) and the EU in a far distant third (simply due to their many varied opinions thanks to the fact that they are in fact different countries). Britain of course is generally well-respected world wide, but is below the super power radar if you ask me.

Re:China can get away with it. (-1)

Adolf Hitroll (562418) | about 12 years ago | (#4219339)

Small fish ?
I think you're just backing your dictator's suppositions.
Yankees already lost around 1000 people in Afghanistan.
I guess there'll be much more casualties if you dare pissing Muslims off.
US is alone in the world because you support 2 war-criminals : Bush (for not cleaning up his mine fields after the battle, which is a crime according to the Geneva Convention), Sharon (need I say why most non-Israeli Jews would gladly see him extraded to Den Haag ?).

Re:China can get away with it. (0)

L1nUx h4x0r (574828) | about 12 years ago | (#4219445)

Actually, Bush has said the exact opposite [cnn.com] .

Maybe CNN is too hot. Maybe the BBC [bbc.co.uk] is better?

Given that Taiwan's Vice-defense Minister, Kang Ningxiang, has recently (7 Sept) been to the Pentagon, it seems to suggest that this is more than just talk. [People's Daily] [peopledaily.com.cn] [Saudi Press Agency] [spa.gov.sa]

My experiences in China (-1, Flamebait)

Ryu2 (89645) | about 12 years ago | (#4219195)

I'm not surprised that the Chinese would be up to stuff like this, and wouldn't put it past them to do whatever it takes to regain Taiwan. I'm an American businessman in the import- export business, so as you might guess, my frequent travels take me to many places around the world, on every continent.
I wanted to share my experience in the "great" country of China.

So, I was in Shenzhen China last December for about a week on business. A bit of background: Shenzhen, like Hong Kong and a few other places, is a "Special Economic Zone" that the Chinese government set up to try and give foreigners the illusion that China really ISN'T a drab, decaying fascist state that's economically languishing behind the rest of the world. Here, rules are relaxed and capitalism is encouraged, not surppressed. Well, let me tell you this, if this is China's best, then I'd hate to see the worst.

Anyways, when I stepped off the train from Hong Kong (which was no paradise itself, as that place has gone down the shitter since the Brits left) I was shocked. The whole place smelled like a combination of vomit and dog shit that had been left out in the sun for a day or so. And it was probably BECAUSE there was vomit and dog shit all over. I almost retched, and I've certainly been in some sketchy places in my travels but NOTHING like this.

People spit everywhere. Trash litters the streets. I found myself looking DOWNWARD much more than looking FORWARD when I walked.

Noise pollution is endemic. It doesn't help that their infernal language consists of abrupt rapid fire tones that is a cacophony for any human ear to bear. How do they speak and listen to that shit without going crazy all day long is beyond me.

Anyways, Chinamen stink -- literally. There is no concept of personal hygiene whatsoever. Meetings with even top officials were hourlong sessions of having to endure hot sweaty bodies and rancid breath eminating from mouths missing a few teeth. Geez, at least use deodorant for crying out loud.

The hypocrisy, corruption, and double-standards from the highest levels of government on over are the norm at the same time China opens up to the world. Foreigners get charged as much as five times for transportation, lodging, food, and everything else.

Traffic is horrible. Rules are non-existent except for at traffic lights: red means to go fast, green means to go REALLY REALLY fast.

The Chinese people themselve are pretty apathetic and everyone just wants to get out of that hell hole, so you see smuggling rings shipping people out hidden in truck beds and ships, all too often with tragic results.

The whole country, in my assessment is a lost case. Even the cheap labor can be found in Southeast Asia or Mexico. Same goes for pirated stuff -- SE Asia and Eastern Europe will keep on churning them out.

Anyways, the one redeeming quality were the girls. I paid 100 yuan (about $12 US) for a great fuck, with a 16 year old who seemed quite new and "unblemished" if you get my drift. Boy, was she tight, made all the right noises, sucked and fucked all night long and let me cum all over her. Much better than even the vaunted Thai whores, and worlds apart from anything in Las Vegas or in Europe. Best bargain I have EVER found in my life!

So yeah, screw the hell hole that's China. It's a lost cause of a country suspsended by a hollow facade of so-called new capitalism that's just show more than anything.

Re:My experiences in China (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219206)

Anyways, Chinamen stink -- literally. There is no concept of personal hygiene whatsoever. Meetings with even top officials were hourlong sessions of having to endure hot sweaty bodies and rancid breath eminating from mouths missing a few teeth. Geez, at least use deodorant for crying out loud

lol, You're a fag.

You're a child molestor (0, Troll)

geek (5680) | about 12 years ago | (#4219221)

"Anyways, the one redeeming quality were the girls. I paid 100 yuan (about $12 US) for a great fuck, with a 16 year old who seemed quite new and "unblemished" if you get my drift. Boy, was she tight, made all the right noises, sucked and fucked all night long and let me cum all over her. Much better than even the vaunted Thai whores, and worlds apart from anything in Las Vegas or in Europe. Best bargain I have EVER found in my life!"

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You say all this like you're proud. It's disgusting that 1) you would use a prostitute and 2) an under age one who's been through enough in her life and doesn't need you degrading her more.

You should be shot.

Re:You're a child molestor (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219270)

fuck you about using the prostitute. lots of people use them. its the oldest profession. underage is a relative term dipshit, if you arent breaking any laws its not underage. if its legal to fuck a 16 year old why not? i fucked a 16 year old, sure, i was 17 then, but whats the diff. she wanted dick, i wanted pussy. most of human history got to where it is today with girls under 15 and 14 having the first birth. dipshit.
you make me sick with your sheltered view on the world. if anything, get down on pimps for takin the tricks money. its people like you who deny it exists that keeps the money from the people who deserve it. fucker.

Re:You're a child molestor (1)

fizzychicken (567804) | about 12 years ago | (#4219372)

He is not a child molester. It depends on the age on consent of the country the act took place in. For instance, the age of consent here in the UK is 16, which qould make his act perfectly fine. In some 'civilised' countries it's as low as 14.

I have no idea what the age of consent is in China, but don't just jump to conclusions because of your own local laws and moral climate.

the question remains (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219230)

Did your 16 y/o cum dumpster swallow or not?

If I was you I'd go to the doctor and check if she gave you the Hong Kong Dong. Man I'd hate to see my dick fall off.

Re:My experiences in China (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219251)

Wow, that sounds just like your experiences in India [slashdot.org] -- you sure know where to find the whores buddy!

Re:My experiences in China (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219262)

The Future of SLASHDOT.

2002. Slashdot publishes 1,000,000th rumor passed off as actual story. The story generates 480 comments, 263 of which agree with the article, and 107 of which point out it's a rumor and are modded down as redundant. The remaining comments are all "first posts." Also, any posts that contain any rational insight are modded "troll."
2002. CmdrTaco married to a human female, reports are that she does not have 46 chromosomes, however. Fent does display tendency to retardation.
2002. Slashdot parent corporation VA Research^W Linux^W Software stock worth 35 cents. Rumors that AOL, Microsoft, or even Jimmy the hobo who lives under the Longfellow Bridge may buy it.
2003. VA Software bought by Microsoft for a cup of coffee and a donut. All Microsoft-critical articles mysteriously disappear from Slashdot. Bill Gates as Borg logo replaced with Bill Gates as God.
2004. CmdrTaco loses virginity, well, not sex with men virginity, thats long since gone, and not sex with anime blow up dolls, this time, real sex.
2004. The WIPO Troll returns again, showering Slashdot in 45,000 copies of the same post: "Lick my crotch hairs." Slashdot, despite running on 18 redundant IIS/8.0Beta6 servers, buckles under the load. The term "Slashdotted" is replaced with "WIPO-Trolled."
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2005. CmdrTaco rumored to have had sex again, even with constant viagra therapy, it took this long. He complains, I can be ready to go again in five minutes if I was looking at a nude man, to the dyslexic Fent.
2006. CowboiKneel found dead in hotel room with 56 pizza boxes covering his bloated corpse. Three suffocated gay prostitutes are extracted from beneath his body as police remove it with a backhoe.
2007. CmdrTaco actually has sex again, this time plugging Fent in the ass for a more manlike feel.
2007. BSD is still officially "dying." No word on when its demise will take place. FreeBSD 9 is delivered in perfect working order in a coherent superior, commercially viable and useable fashion with real documentation, the same practive followed since inception. Linux lunatics, after the death of Cox, are still trying to perfect the Trident driver while Ignoring the existence of the GeForce 9.
2007. CmdrTaco starts new weblog to replace Slashdot, creatively named Dotslash. Remainder of Linux users flock to the site and immediate WIPO-Troll it out of existence.
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Re:My experiences in China (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219285)

This is just another example of spineless crap moderation here on /.

Mao Tse Tung, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Pinochet, Mussolini, Marshall Joseph Tito, Slobodan Milosevic, Idi Amin, Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, Muammar Qaddafi, Juan Peron, Ayatollah Khomeini, Ferdinand Marcos, General Suharto, Pol Pot, Fransisco Franco, and certainly the worst of the bunch, SLASHDOT's editing/moderating [read: censoring] "community"(*) ALL AGREE on ONE THING:

CENSORSHIP WORKS!

(*)Note, the word community used often on Slashdot, this is referring to a proto communist commune.

So, you busy little plebian proletariats, get busy, you have some censoring to do! FUN! Do the bidding of your fat, undisciplined masters who never subject themselves to peer review.

Good job you little neo-commies. Don't want to hear the other side, shoot the fucker in the head as an ENEMY OF THE STATE [In this case anyone who seeks to improve the sad state of /.].

I have a Gun and the Constitution [Not the urinated-on pissed-on hacked fucked up one WashingTOON thinks exists, I mean the real one, with Jefferson and Madison at my side], please, give me an excuse to use them both.

A few haikus to commemorate the sucktitude:
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Try to suck less, please

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The reason China blocked Slashdot is that when Jiang Xemin saw at how good "The Editors" at Slashdot are at suppressing the community, he knew that if more of his party members saw this degree of suppressive efficacy, he would be deposed, for the good of the people, of course, in favor of Rob Malda as the all new supreme dictator and premier of China.

SAYINGS, quips et al:

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried. - Sir Winston Churchill (Especially when your democratic peers twist democracy into a reason commit cencorship, to squash dissenting or unpopular opinions, and refer to them as trolls, flaimbait overrated or offtopic when they aren't any of the said)

The reason there are two senators for each state is so that one can be the designated driver. - Jay Leno.

The Constitution poses no threat to our current form of governement. (Death to those who defile the root documents of a free nation to make economic freedom Supercede Freedom! Freedom First! Free market Second!)

Occam's Razor "Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily." "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" "Frustra fit per plura quod potest fieri per pauciora" "Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem" Translation: " "Simple explanations are preferred to complex ones" Modern fucking translation "JUST DO IT."

Reading Slashdot at anything above -1 is like trying to put a shit filter on your ass.

Get busy moderating this down, you little pack of obedient prefects of the corrupt state! You are the vanguards of purity, and dissent is not allowed!

The last few months I have been doing some research into the trolling phenomenon on slashdot.org. In order to do this as thoroughly as possible, I have written both normal and troll posts, 1st posts, etc., both logged in and anonymously, and I have found these rather shocking results:


More moderator points are being used to mod posts down than up. Furthermore, when modding a post up, every moderator seems to follow previous moderators in their choices, even when it's not a particularly interesting or clever post . There are a LOT more +5 posts than +3 or +4.

Logged in people are modded down faster than anonymous cowards. Presumably these Nazi Moderators think it's more important to burn a user's existing karma, to silence that individual for the future, than to use the moderation system for what it's meant for : identifying "good" and "bad" posts (Notice how nearly all oppressive governments in the past and present do the same thing : marking individuals as bad and untrustworthy because they have conflicting opinions, instead of engaging in a public discussion about these opinions)

Once you have a karma of -4 or -5, your posts have a score of -1 by default. When this is the case, no-one bothers to mod you down anymore. This means a logged in user can keep on trolling as much as he (or she) likes, without risking a ban to post on slashdot. When trolling as an anonymous user, every post starts at score 0, and you will be modded down to -1 ON EVERY POST. When you are modded down a certain number of times in 24 hour, you cannot post anymore from your current IP for a day or so. So, for successful trolling, ALWAYS log in.

A lot of the modded down posts are actually quite clever, funny, etc., and they are only modded down because they are offtopic or an unpopular viewpoint. Now, on a news site like slashdot, where the number of different topics of discussion can be counted on 1 hand, I must say I quite like the distraction these posts offer. But no, when the topic is yet another minor version change of the Linux kernel, they only expect ooohs and aaahs about this great feat of engineering. Look at the moderation done in Open Source centric to see what I mean. Notice any people taking shots at errata present in Open Source software get slaughtered.

It is a well known, proven by poll FACT indicates the vast majority does NOT want the moderation we have here today.


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Re:My experiences in China (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219291)

Truly superb troll. My hat is off to you - and so are my pants.

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sandniggers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219196)

should be nuked

red flag linux (4, Funny)

kipple (244681) | about 12 years ago | (#4219200)

...and those evil linux 'hackers' in China will be prosecuted, then a joint-venture will pop up between China and the US to prosecute everything that has the word 'hacking' into it - expecially the linux kernel.

Damn, look at those linux guys, they have hacking also in the core of their operating system! thank god Palladium will save us.

now let's see your sense of humour :)

Our interest in Taiwan (1, Insightful)

geek (5680) | about 12 years ago | (#4219201)

The agreement we have with Taiwan doesn't state we will go to war with them, just that we will supply them with the military equipment (supposing they can pay for it) they will need to fight the war themselves.

We are under no obligation to go to war with China should they take action against Taiwan. Taiwan is quite capable of defending themselves. In fact Taiwan has a larger military than most super powers for this very reason. If you make the argument that China is larger with a superior military force, I will simply remind you of Vietnam and our failed attempts there.

In the last 100 years no country has successfully invaded another. The world just doesn't take to kindly to that. There is a few possible exceptions (china and tibet), but putting them in context will still lead you to the same conclusion. The country on defense has a significantly high advantage. This advantage is why we didn't finish Saddam Hussein in the 90's.

Re:Our interest in Taiwan (3, Insightful)

anonymous cupboard (446159) | about 12 years ago | (#4219461)

In the last 100 years no country has successfully invaded another. The world just doesn't take to kindly to that. There is a few possible exceptions (china and tibet),

I'm glad you remembered Tibet (it is afterall China we are talking about). If one means invasions sucessfully repulsed, there were not a lot of those. However, in a lot of places one nation was able to hold on to another from a few years (name any of the countries invaded by the Germans in WW2) to about 50 years for the DDR and even more for the countries comprising Soviet Russia. For example, some of the Central Asian countries were not associated with Russia until about 80 years ago.

In any case the PRC sees the ROC as part of China. They do not perceive it as another country, just a last bastion of power held by a regime chased out of the rest of the country. If they start to accept it as a separate country then there is a chance for long term peace.

To be serious Taiwan and China enjoy a very profitable business partnership and there are many in China who know this. However there are still a few hawks around (especially in the military) who perceive otherwise. Let us wait for the next People's Congress to see who gets in.

Re:Our interest in Taiwan (1)

BlackMesaResearchFac (593320) | about 12 years ago | (#4219580)

The country on defense has a significantly high advantage. This advantage is why we didn't finish Saddam Hussein in the 90's.

I'm game with the rest of what you have to say, but I think we pretty much ruled the landscape in Iraq before we pulled out. Not to say it wouldn't have cost lives to march up to Saddam's house and knock on the door, but the opportunity was certainly there. Heck, their soldiers were giving up left and right, by the thousands. We didn't even have anywhere to put all the of prisoners.

The reason we didn't finish the job was because someone got cold feet. This wasn't the same as the island hopping and Japanese mainland of WWII or Vietnam.

The new reason for everything! (3, Interesting)

lpret (570480) | about 12 years ago | (#4219203)

Terrorism! That's the new blanket statement we can use for everything it seems. It used to be "those commies" who were somehow able to corrupt and affect everything that went bad. Missle Defense System not working? Commies! The price of wheat high? Commies!


Somehow we've gotten into the same trap again, things that have been happening for months, if not years, are now blamed on "terrorist activity." I think every skirmish in the past 12 months have all been blamed on terrorism to differing plausibility: Afghanistan/Taliban, Israel/Palestine, Philippines/Abu Sayyaf, N. & S. Korea, and now Taiwan/China. I mean, the Israeli/Palestinian conflict has been going on for over 50 years! Is it just a new catchphrase or is it a realisation of the tactics used by one side or the other? And by the US gov't declaring war on terror, it means that the US will have an obligation to help all of these countries in their "War Of Terror" .

Re:The new reason for everything! (2)

kubrick (27291) | about 12 years ago | (#4219289)

Going by a dictionary definition:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Basically, if you're not a government doing it to your own people or you don't have the backing of the (somewhat fuzzy) guidelines of 'international law', it's terrorism. In other words, it's a pretty broad definition.

As an anarchist (minimal government model) I believe that there should be no lawful use of force, and that one of the main priorities of government would be to act in force proportionally against those people breaking that law... but then most of my politics are a thought experiment, so forget I even mentioned it :)

Re:The new reason for everything! (5, Funny)

pubjames (468013) | about 12 years ago | (#4219292)

Terrorism! That's the new blanket statement we can use for everything it seems.

I couldn't believe it the other day when I hired a video and the first five minutes was about the evils of pirating, and it ended by saying that the money from pirate videos supports drug smugglers and terrorists. I don't know why they don't just go the whole hog and add padeophiles to the list. And the French.

(Only joking Frenchies).

Re:The new reason for everything! (5, Interesting)

nzhavok (254960) | about 12 years ago | (#4219488)

(Only joking Frenchies).

Actually whether you know it or not you're not joking see this article [aucklandci...ce.govt.nz] if you don't know what I'm talking about.

Secret documents (2)

jbuilder (81344) | about 12 years ago | (#4219207)

In fact, many related secret documents have leaked out of China lately.

Yea, like how they make Swingline 747 staplers that are *just as good* and the ones they used to make in New York. And documents on just *how* much (or little) they're paying people at the Logitech mouse making plant to make those little cordless mice.

Personally I want to find out about their documents on how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll tootsie pop. I hear they done extensive research into this phenomenon.

Offtopic but.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219208)

when did htis neutral friend or foe thing start? i just now noticed it...

With that last question I ask another (1, Troll)

cscx (541332) | about 12 years ago | (#4219209)

Why is it that non-Americans hate the US so much, yet it is always the United States cleaning up everyone else's spilled milk, as so to speak?

Re:With that last question I ask another (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219231)

While the US cleans up it usually punches over several other bottles of milk.

Re:With that last question I ask another (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219245)

because if it weren't for the US, the frogs and almost all of the other stick-up-their-ass eurofags would be speaking german.

schroeder and .de need to shut the hell up, and be the bitch they are supposed to be. they killed 6 million+ in ww2, and have their panties in a bunch about handing over evidence that could help the US get the death penalty on one of the i'll-fly-a-plane-into-a-building fuckwits

screw a few 'other bottles of milk'. take one for the team.

Re:With that last question I ask another (5, Insightful)

neksys (87486) | about 12 years ago | (#4219247)

Why is it that non-Americans hate the US so much, yet it is always the United States cleaning up everyone else's spilled milk, as so to speak?

I think perhaps you have it backwards - could it be that non-Americans hate the US so much because the United States is always cleaning up spilled milk?

For example, according to an Ipsos-Reid poll [globeandmail.com] last week, 69 per cent of Canadians said the U.S. shares some of the responsibility for the attacks, while 15 per cent said all of the responsibility sits on American shoulders.

If we Canadians feel that way, how does the rest of the world feel? You are bound to get stung when you stick your hand in the hornets' nest looking for honey.

Re:With that last question I ask another (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219312)

For example, according to an Ipsos-Reid poll [globeandmail.com] last week, 69 per cent of Canadians said the U.S. shares some of the responsibility for the attacks, while 15 per cent said
all of the responsibility sits on American shoulders.

The same poll indicates that 15% of Canadians are total ass assholes who fail to realize that hijacking an airplane and flying it into a building might make give one some small share of the responsibility for what happens to the people inside. I can readily grant that the U.S. govt. shares some (arguably large) portion of the blame, but all? That's unconscionable.

Re:With that last question I ask another (3, Insightful)

neksys (87486) | about 12 years ago | (#4219329)

You misunderstand - if you read the article, you'd see that those 15% believe that US foreign policy led to the attacks. Rather, had US foreign policy been handled differently, the attacks would have never happened. That's not to defend those 15%, I personally believe that it takes two to tango, but hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. My point isn't to defend those 15%, or 69%, for that matter. It's just to say that if a closely allied country can find blame in the US, how do people in other countries feel?

Re:With that last question I ask another (2)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | about 12 years ago | (#4219258)

Could it possibly be because it where the americans that where kicking the table?

If you want to be liked, try not to sign laws threatning nations wich you have been friends with for the last 100 years or so.

Re:With that last question I ask another (1, Flamebait)

Spy Hunter (317220) | about 12 years ago | (#4219310)

They hate us because we take it upon ourselves to clean up their spilled milk.

Re:With that last question I ask another (0, Redundant)

caluml (551744) | about 12 years ago | (#4219338)

Why is it that non-Americans hate the US so much, yet it is always the United States cleaning up everyone else's spilled milk, as so to speak?
Replace yet with because.
Please mod me up. I hear Americans wondering this all the time.

Re:With that last question I ask another (1)

kim_rutherford (101533) | about 12 years ago | (#4219390)

Why is it that non-Americans hate the US so much, yet it is always the United States cleaning up everyone else's spilled milk, as so to speak?

Because (rightly or wrongly), most non-Americans think that in the last 50 years the US has done more to make the world a worse place to live than any other single country. (Hint: most non-Americans live in Asia, Africa or South America.)

Re:With that last question I ask another (2)

SerpentMage (13390) | about 12 years ago | (#4219412)

I think one has to careful with sweeping statements like that.

1) Somebody will always hate somebody else. And if that somebody else is more known than usually then those that hate will also be more known. Case in point South America and Spain. Not that many South American's are that crazy about Spain. (Obvious reasons, but nobody hears about it).

2) Not everybody hates the US. They were talking about this in CNN Europe Edition. And many came to the conclusion that Europeans do not hate American's per say. They hate the administration and George Bush.

3) Some people who hate the US also hate the West. There are many Islamists (People who believe Islamism is the true way). And these folks, do not like Democracy or anything like that. They only believe in Islamism and hence they hate the West as much as they the US.

4) Humans like bitch. I know that I bitch about the US, but guess what I REALLY bitch about Germany (Schroeder the biggest wahoo, bonehead, idiot, makes George Bush look intelligent, ever elected), France, Canada and all the other countries. But people only remember my bitching of the US.

Shitty sitcoms (3, Insightful)

DrSkwid (118965) | about 12 years ago | (#4219432)

And other cultural vandalism.

If I dislike America the Capitalist it'd because of it's success. It's ironic that the majority of Americans I have met are some of the friendliest and generous people I have met but when I walk through my town it makes me sad that everywhere I see Corporate America mocking me with it's ownership of my environment. Within 5 miles of my house there are 4
McDonalds, 2 Wal-Marts, 2 Starbucks and 1 GAP.
As en experiment I just went and turned on my TV. Of the seven channels two of them are shwoing American programmes (Happy Days & something with Tia Carrera as Indiana Jones).

Of course, much of it doesn't start out as unwanted, I like Happy Days but as time goes by this cultural expansionism gets a bit much. Suddenly there are no shops but American shops. All your canned drinks say "made by the Coke Company" and there's nothing but Saved By The Bell or WWF on TV.

America can seem like a guest who brought round a six pack and a pizza but doesn't know when to leave.

Just ask Osama. The Americans come to help stabilise the region but then decide to maintain a military presence that goes far beyond the initial mandate. Now, I will admit, that this presence is probably to *my* benefit, but for some Muslims it's offensive (like Conservative Islam is to me).

I'm not suggesting that any of this makes it okay to spill American blood. Far from it. But that's what it's like living under American influence.

It's no wonder the people try to protect their culture from outside influence. They want dominion over their own affairs.

Perceived common enemies are the stock in trade for the human race be it burglars, burgers or Burghers. There's money/power to be made in "solutions" to all of these.

Re:Shitty sitcoms (2, Insightful)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 12 years ago | (#4219533)

"All your canned drinks say "made by the Coke Company" and there's nothing but Saved By The Bell or WWF on TV. "

A little about me-

I live in New York State, with a population of 18 million plus, and more specifically in Rochester, with the metro area having around 900,000 people....Not exactly a backwater, and I think i'm a fairly typical citizen for my age and school (21, RIT)

So, let's see...Looking around my room at the moment- Various drinks, with a box of Moutain Dew being the sole Pepsi/Coke product, dwarfed by a couple huge jugs of orange juice and some liter bottles of water, of all things :)

Elsewhere- Stacks of burned anime CDs and tapes outnumbering anything else I have by at least 5:1, not to mention that I can't remember the last time I watched Saved by the Bell(hasn't even been broadcast on any major stations here for at least 4 or 5 years, to my knowledge), or stayed on any station showing WWF for more than a second or two.

"As en experiment I just went and turned on my TV. Of the seven channels two of them are shwoing American programmes (Happy Days & something with Tia Carrera as Indiana Jones)."

This just makes you sound like you're looking for something to complain about....I could whine about the Japanese, Spanish, ASL(sign language), or UK stations I have in the lineup here, but I actually like watching programming not of my native country.

And no offense to you personally, but really, if Europeans and others are equating overseas reruns of old TV programming like fscking Happy Days and such to trying to force our culture down your collective throats....Something's very wrong :P

Anyway, the point of this all is- Remember that not all Americans (and really very few, relatively) are intent on cultural vandalism and exporting "shitty sitcoms"....Generalization is bad, mmkay?

Most of us love experiencing cultures other than our own, despite what big buisness may have you believe.

Re:With that last question I ask another (1)

Mac Degger (576336) | about 12 years ago | (#4219512)

First of all, it's mostly 'hate the Amercian government'. And secondly:
-Kyoto
-re-evaluation of the use of nukes (it's still affecting the huge cancerrate in Hiroshima and Nagasaki! After 50 years!)
-the fact that the PATRIOT act has turned the US into a police state (and no-one seems to notice...)
-known corrupt politicians (Senator Disney, anyone?)
-the fact that every single deplyment of US troops has been in the US' best interest, but the US still tries to make us believe they do it 'for the good of the world'...if that's so, why didn't you go to Angola or try to end the South Afrikan Apartheid regime? People hate hypocrasy.
-Echelon (the whole using a national spying apparatus for corperate gain).
-the fact that your government is BOUGHT! by corperations and other forms of money.
-the fact that after years of meddling in international affairs for your own gain, you don't stop whining after you finaly got hit back (only 3000 casualies...that's not a lot; ask the Angolans) and seem intent to drag the rest of the world into a destructive path of violence and the curtailment of privacy and other freedoms.
-loads more

And still Americans seem genuinely surprised anyone would have anything against them...

Just rest assured that most people just hate the government, not the average American.

Re:With that last question I ask another (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 12 years ago | (#4219563)

This may be a suprise to you, but the American public has almost NO direct control over things like the use of nukes or the choice of US troop deployments...Whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of our local/state/federal government leaders are there because the PEOPLE wanted them to be, and as such, the elected officals directly make the decisions, not the common rabble.

It's not the best system right now, but it works, and the country hasn't dissolved into anarchy quite yet :):P.

We didn't get to be a world superpower by whining about how clueless everyone with more influence than us was, ya know?

Re:With that last question I ask another (1)

Timeburn (19302) | about 12 years ago | (#4219567)

Did you ever see two brothers fighting, and try to break it up? What happens? They turn on you!

When America (read: The Religious Right^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H US Gov't.) sticks its nose into confilcts we have no business in, the inevitable result is, at the least, indignation at having someone else tell you what to do.

Somewhere along the way, the Powers That Be here in the states, along with the controlling majority (read: the richest 1%), decided that what is good for America is good for everybody.

None of them seem to realize that they don't even know what is good for the U.S., nor do they consider what we'd think about it if say, China tried to tell us how to run our country.

That said, the real majority of the people in the US think much like those outside do: The U.S. has no business and no right trying to be Big Brother. We've got enough damn problems of our own.

No big surprise there. (5, Insightful)

Malcontent (40834) | about 12 years ago | (#4219212)

Now that the US has decided to wage a war against terrorism many other countries have decided to crack down own their own internal problem populations by painting them with the terrorist brush.

Russia did it with chechnians, China did with the minority muslim population in the west. In the case of Israel it has used the post 9-11 US position to crack down much harder on the palestenians to the point of putting eight hundred thousand people under curfew and starving the population into submission.

Before 9-11 all of these actions would have been objectionable to the US govt and the public at large but post 9-11 nobody has raised an eyebrow.

Even in the US anybody who disagrees with the govt gets tagged with the terrorist label. The environmentalists, the "anti globalists", hackers, music swappers, open source developers etc.

It should not surprise anybody to see taiwan jumping on board this bandwagon.

My suspicion is that the term will dilute itself just like the word nazi did after it got overused so much. Feminazi, green nazi, surf nazi, soup nazi etc. When you start labeling everybody with the same tag pretty soon the label encompasses so many people it loses it's potency.

Re:No big surprise there. (3, Insightful)

Andy Smith (55346) | about 12 years ago | (#4219304)

Even in the US anybody who disagrees with the govt gets tagged with the terrorist label. The environmentalists, the "anti globalists", hackers, music swappers, open source developers etc.
Can you provide even a single example (referenced, hyperlinked or even just from memory) of anyone in the US government referring to music swappers or open source developers as "terrorists"?

Re:No big surprise there. (5, Insightful)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | about 12 years ago | (#4219336)

really feel like the USians started the whole trend when GW & gang started talking about evil. GW would like to submit that the terrorists are pure incarnations of evil on Earth, and the USA is 100% righteous.

This is false, of course. And other nations have it worse than us anyway. I don't know about their body count, but terrorism on the part of the Chechnyans and the Palestinians certainly affect the daily lives of Israelis and Russians much more than Americans are effected by Al Qaeda. So, if Al Qaeda is pure evil, then surely the Chechnyans and the Palestinians are worse, right?

It's all political posturing, and it's all bullshit. We must attack Al Qaeda in order to preserve our national security. It has nothing to do with good vs. evil. Good vs. evil is a psuedo-religious sham. Any way, now that unconventional warfare has been equated with evil incarnate, Taiwan would be stupid not to invoke the name of terrorism when dealing with China. It's like calling GW on the phone and saying, "We understand if you're too chicken to deal help us out." Personally, I'm all for it. Just because I like Taiwan, and hope that the US defends its allies.

Re:No big surprise there. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219364)

Cmon Slashdot, where's the irony nazi when you need him?

Re:No big surprise there. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219374)

Just a few comments:

In the case of Israel it has used the post 9-11 US position to crack down much harder on the palestenians to the point of putting eight hundred thousand people under curfew and starving the population into submission.

So you are saying that Israel was overreacting to the near daily suicide bombers? How else were they supposed to solve that problem?

Even in the US anybody who disagrees with the govt gets tagged with the terrorist label. The environmentalists, the "anti globalists", hackers, music swappers, open source developers etc.

Where? When? The closest you can come to that is a few speeches by illinformed senators. The DMCA does not have a terrorist clause.

Make no mistake, Taiwan does indeed have a LOT to fear from China. China has the largest standing army in the world, and pretty much the only reason it hasn't retaken Taiwan is because of the US & NATO. If the US & NATO become entrenched in Iraq (which will probably soon), China will have no reason NOT to strike at Taiwan.

How will they prove that it was China? (1)

Kompressor (595513) | about 12 years ago | (#4219216)

If China does decide to take up electronic warfare, how will the Taiwanese prove that it indeed originated in China, and not somewhere else? After all, I highly doubt that China would hit Taiwanese systems without taking a few measures to cover their tracks.

Would just a huge rise in the frequency with which Taiwanese systems are attacked be enough for them to scream bloody murder and ask for the Americans to come to their defence?

And on a side note, how would Washington respond to these kind of attacks on Taiwan? If Taiwan was physically invaded, or was bombed / targeted by missiles, America would obviously move to provide Taiwan with direct military aid. But what would be considered an apropriate response to an attack that neither physically damages Taiwan (in the "buldings blown up and civilians killed sense), nor is obviously of Chinese origin... What does /. think of that?

Annoying use of "terrorism" (2, Insightful)

abbamouse (469716) | about 12 years ago | (#4219217)

Am I the only one that's getting tired of every world leader referring to the activity of their rivals as being "terrorism"? It reminds me of how, during the Cold War, every problem a nation faced was either blamed on "communist subversion" or "imperialist aggression."
Computer viruses as terrorism? Well, maybe if they're targeted to drop planes from the sky, cause nuclear power plant malfunctions, etc -- but everyday preparation for infowar is not terrorism.
Besides, terrorism is almost always the weapon of the weak (excluding "terror" against one's own population). Strong countries find lobbing a few missiles to be much more effective. There is real danger of full-scale conventional war if Taiwan declares independence from China, and I suspect that computer viruses will be the last of their concerns.

actually (1)

geek (5680) | about 12 years ago | (#4219240)

It really isnt used more now than it was before. Before 9/11/01 there was news everyday about terrorism in South America, Israel etc....

It's just noticed now rather than ignored. It's been taken to our doorstep rather than viewed at a distance. Now you know how people in other countries feel 24/7 only for them it's probably magnified by several orders of magnitude.

Welcome to the party

Re:actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219337)

Your pseudo-intellectual pseudo-informed mediocritomaton attitude makes me sick enough to want to ram a rusty crowbar down your fucking snarky babbling mouth.

I hope one day my boot will step on your neck to mercy kill you from a painful death because your wounded, undulating twitching spasmodic corpse broken beyond repair is not longer a suitable carrier for your soul. I hope my taxes pay to put you in that state.

You are not long for this world, you disgusting foul bastard. My boot wants to step on your neck. And my boot longs for the necks of any of these jive turkey commies that want me to be a citizen of the world.

Re:Annoying use of "terrorism" (1)

mholt108 (229701) | about 12 years ago | (#4219248)

I would be suprised if it was not referred to as terrorism. Every state that was persuing its own form of military expansionism throughout recent history has referred to any group or individual that opposes them as "terrorists". THe definition of terrorism is "calculated use of violence or threat of violence to attain goals that are political, religious, or ideological in nature".
It was used by the Nazis, the Japanese and even the good old English when refering to the US coloial uprisings.
Being from somewhere else in the world it is painfully obvious that the US has no interest in peace in the middle east but rather to control the oil. A simple concept but despite its terrible implications, one that is easily ignored by most people, including myself.
The counterinsurgency employed by the US in south america was just what they refer to by other countries as terrorism.
Just feel lucky you live in the US and not anywhere else.

m

Why China wants stake in Taiwan so bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219220)

The Taiwanese have a high standard of living comparable to that of Hong Kong which was reunited with China in 1997. Hong Kong is one of the most successful cities in China, and for that reason, reaquiring the capital of Taiwan, Taipei, is a tantalizing prospect for the rather impovished mainland China.

Re:Why China wants stake in Taiwan so bad (3, Interesting)

cyberon22 (456844) | about 12 years ago | (#4219281)

Taiwan is a major source of investment capital for China, and only seems likely to increase in importance as one in the future. Taiwan recently eliminated an official requirement that investment in the mainland had to be chunneled through third parties [216.239.35.100] , and removed its cap on mainland investment of $50 million last year.

Considering that the single largest threat to the CCP is probably the economic instability and mass urban unemployment that comes with state-owned enterprise reform, market liberalization and WTO accession, it seems exceedingly unlikely that the CCP will take any steps whose immediate consequence will inevitably be a sharp reduction in foreign capital inflows -- inflows the top leadership (or at least Zhu Rongji) seems to recognize is absolutely vital to maintain rapid growth in the country and prevent the financial sector from choking under the weight of insolvency [tibet.ca] .

THAT being said, if Taiwan actually makes a move towards independence, as seems increasingly likely, it's anyone's guess what might happen, since much of the political legitimacy of the CCP also seems based on catering to Chinese nationalism. Could they afford not to react?

All this being said, having actually read "Unrestricted Warfare" (in English), I think the threat of China as a digital renegade is completely overblown, if it is politically convenient for those with other reasons to dislike/distrust the country. There is nothing in the report that any other military institution isn't already considering. And lest we forget, the US itself targeted civilian communications infrastructure in Serbia during the Kosovo War. In any event -- its likely that air superiority will continue to be the decisive factor in contemporary military conflict -- and China doesn't have remarkably good aerospace airforce and knows it.

Re:Why China wants stake in Taiwan so bad (2)

Alex Belits (437) | about 12 years ago | (#4219524)

In any event -- its likely that air superiority will continue to be the decisive factor in contemporary military conflict -- and China doesn't have remarkably good aerospace airforce and knows it.

"Air superioruty"'s overblown value is a doctrine originated by Germans (in their pathetic attempts to attack Britain from the air alone) and picked up by US as a way to sell themselves an idea of having a war with extremely low casualties on their side. It's bullshit. Any airplane outside of the area of a battle on the ground or sea is nothing but a very large house fly -- an annoying target. The damage that it can cause to anything military is negligible, the possibilities to turn it away by all kinds of attacks, even without actually destroying, are endless, and the best it can do is to bomb cities full of civilians to at best demoralize and usually merely annoy the population.

In a battle on the ground or sea the air force can do a lot of assistance and may even determine the outcome of the battle, but don't kid yourselves -- there must be a battle there in the first place, and a lot of people will have to die there, with or without airplanes flying over them.

War sucks, and if you go there, you are most likely to die. No doctrine changes that.

Hacker Attacks = EMP? (1)

DigitalCrow (604529) | about 12 years ago | (#4219223)

I'm not too well-versed on such things, but what would happen if the U.S. was attacked, or "hacked", on a massive scale? (By massive I mean a concentrated, organized effort where the objective was to shut down our information infrastructure.)

I hate to bring up cheesy movies as reference points, but do any of you remember the movie Hackers? In the end sequence, they try to disable a mainframe ("the Gibson"-- a nod to the SF author of the same name) by attacking it from several fronts. It worked. Imagine if the U.S. was the Gibson... could China attack us "electronically" in such a way that could, in some ways, have the same result as an EMP? Something like that?

Re:Hacker Attacks = EMP? (2)

cscx (541332) | about 12 years ago | (#4219275)

No, there is no current way to artifically generate an EMP w/o something like a nuclear bomb. Remember Ocean's Eleven? Yeah, that was all made up.

Re:Hacker Attacks = EMP? (1)

nmx (63250) | about 12 years ago | (#4219422)

What he was asking is if it's possible to do something with the effect of an EMP. I would have to say that it is possible - it's called DDOS.

Re:Hacker Attacks = EMP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219423)

Actually, I saw an article fairly recently on the U.S. military developing EMP weapons. They did require explosives, but they weren't nuclear. I forget the details.

Of course, it's still experimental, but they're working on making better versions. Theory was that an EMP attack could be effective against hardened bunkers and such that would require inconvenient and messy amounts of normal explosives to deal with. Water pipes and such could conduct the pulse into even a mildly shielded facility. Not much fun living in a reinforced bunker with no lightbulbs and no ventilation fans.

Re:Hacker Attacks = EMP? (1)

LucidityZero (602202) | about 12 years ago | (#4219520)

could China attack us "electronically" in such a way that could, in some ways, have the same result as an EMP? Something like that?


Actually, there is more to this story than you may think.

Last summer in the midst of the Nimda, Code Red and Sir Cam outbreaks, for the first time the concept of the internet "going down" was brought to the forefront. Traffic load on certain segments of the internet was so immense due to these self-replicated and scanning virii that certain routers already were being knocked out of commision. And these virii weren't even created with the specific intent of, "Generate as much traffic as possible."

"The Internet" being knocked virtually out of commision is actually a possiblity, if a few major backbones are taken out. The worst part? We, in all honesty, have no clue how to "reboot" the Internet if enough of it went down.

from the defense whitepaper (2)

jukal (523582) | about 12 years ago | (#4219224)

The paper is here [mnd.gov.tw] . 4. Establishing a Superior Information Warfare Capability:

The objective of information warfare is to ensure the Security of Communication, Information and Network of the National Defense. Under the guideline of Defense first, Swift Responses & Preemption, the MND has adopted the strategy of Active Surveillance & Reconnaissance, and Protection to establish a security protection capability of communication and information, which stresses Early Warning and Quick Response so as to maintain superiority in communication and information. Furthermore, in order to cope with cybervirus warfare, the MND has established an information warfare task force in concert with key technology development programs of communication and information security and Net Safety Program of the CSIST so as to create relevant technologies regarding cybervirus control and prevention.@

I fail to see the news in this though. Preparation for the much hyped cyberwars is probably in every countries defense tasklist.

Why would they be tempted? (2)

Steve Cox (207680) | about 12 years ago | (#4219252)

McDonalds is now available in China.

U.S interests. (3, Interesting)

jericho4.0 (565125) | about 12 years ago | (#4219261)

The Bush administration has shown a lot of interest in passing laws that restrict rights. The evidence that Al-Queda has any cyberwar capabilities beyond that of a pimple-faced script-kiddie is weak, but stories still pop up about the threat that they entail and the measures that are going to have to be taken to combat it.

I wouldn't be suprised if a story like this, from a very dependent ally, was encouraged by the powers that be.

Oh yeah, remember; if you or anyone you know smoked a joint since 9/11, you're supporting terrorisim.

Cyberwars? Like with big robots and shit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219272)

Cool!

Eyes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219274)

Keep in mind that Chinese people have very slanty eyes. This optimizes them for using a command-line interface, but means that they must constantly move their heads around to use a modern GUI. This puts them at a disadvantage to Americans when it comes to modern computers. We can therefore conclude that the technological edge lies squarely with the United States.

comment repost (2)

circletimessquare (444983) | about 12 years ago | (#4219277)

i originally posted the comment below on april 25th, and am cutting and pasting it verbatim... [slashdot.org] it was attached to the slashdot story "CIA Warns China Might Be Planning Cyber Attack" [slashdot.org] if you go to the website i mentioned below right now today, you get nothing but a lonely gif, a copyright notice, and a webmaster's address... the veritable calm before the storm? again, i am not much a conspiracy theorist, but what is with the sept. 2002 date i originally mentioned? i wish i had a cache of that page! and honestly, i don't know if this site or this organization is in taiwan, the us, or china, or sealand ;-P someone less lazy than me run a trace route! ;-)

Remember then Chinese hacker push in early May of last year? It was to coincide with May Day and in protest over the whole U.S. Spy Plane Hainan Island debacle the month before that.

Some MS boxen got "f**k USA government f**k poizonbox" pasted all over their IIS roots. Not much beyond that, and I think some American hackers returned the favor. A little miniature patriotic hacker war.

Out of curiosity, I kept up to date on Chinese hacking at a site whose address is www.cnhonker.com (visit at your own risk, and don't hit the Back button ;-P ). I guess honker is hacker in Chinese. It was a toolbox of scripts and methodologies.

But very recently, in March, the site was closed by someone called "lion". I had a Chinese coworker of mine visit the site, and she translated the brief explanation for the site's closing as "After long thinking, we have no choice but close it. Please don't write to us asking why, give us a little time. We'll be back. September 2002, we'll see you again"

I am not much of a conspiracy theorist, but when it comes to autocratic governments, my instincts change... any bets on whether or not the Chinese Government has coopted some of their talented hackers for a patriotic cause?

Re:comment repost (2)

cyberon22 (456844) | about 12 years ago | (#4219306)

The mainland word for hacker is "heike". "hei" meaning dark/hidden and "ke" meaning guest - the word literally translates as "hidden guest".

Anyone know if they use this in Taiwan?

Can we drop these articles? (1, Insightful)

KlausBreuer (105581) | about 12 years ago | (#4219295)

Personally, I am getting tired of hearing about this "cyber-terrorism". You know it's nonsense. I know it's nonsense.
It's simply another idiocy spewed by the cabal ruling the US, another area where they will spread violence and prohibitions, another area where humongous amounts of money will be spent.

Please, let's just drop this. Let's not make it news when somebody Up Top yet again talks about it with furrowed brow. Cyber-terrorism is ridiculous. It hasn't happened yet, and you can't convince me that there are any real signs of it happening in the near future.

The only thing that will happen is that vast amounts of money will be spent without result. Again.

Ciao,
Klaus

Re:Can we drop these articles? (1)

GigsVT (208848) | about 12 years ago | (#4219426)

Personally, I am getting tired of hearing about this "cyber-terrorism".

Me too.

You know it's nonsense. I know it's nonsense.

Yep, for now at least.

Please, let's just drop this. Let's not make it news when somebody Up Top yet again talks about it with furrowed brow.

This is where I differ. This is like pretending someone can't see you if you shut your eyes real hard. It might work in the mind of a 5 year old, but I think we need to be a little more intelligent than that.

Ignoring this will not make it go away. What we see as news doesn't matter to most of the people out there. Organizations like CNN drive what is considered "news" for most people. We need to keep watch on what is happening, so it doesn't catch us off guard when the latest anti-terrorist bill includes DMCA-II.

Cyber Goatse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219296)

'Twas the night before Goatse, when all through the house
Not a penis was stirring, not even with mouth;
The Giver [goatse.cx] was hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St. Goatse soon would be there;

The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of anal-sex danced in their heads;
And Katz in his 'kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled down for a fuck in the sack.

When up in my anus there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see Katz start to splatter.
Away to the bathroom I flew like a flash,
Tore open my anus and looked at the gash.

The moon in the glass had a vibrant red glow
Gave the lustre of sunset to my nutsack below,
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tiny reindeer!

With a little old driver, so lively and quickse,
I knew in a moment it must be St. Goatse.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name;

"Now, TACO! now, JAMIE! now, MICHEAL and TIMMY!
On, CHRISD! on HEMOS! on, PUDGEY and CLIFFY!
To the top of the ass! fronts to the the wall!
Now pound away! pound away! pound away all!"

As faggots that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with a hetero, mount the next guy,
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of sex-toys, and Goatse pics too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The moaning and pawing of each little poof.
As I drew in my ass, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St. Goatse came with a bound.

He was dressed as a furry, from his head to his feet,
And his clothes were all tarnished with urine and shit;
A bundle of sex-toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a hooker just flapping his sack.

His eyes -- how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His ass cheeks like roses, his cock like a cherry!
His cute little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his scrotum as white as the snow;

The stump of a blunt he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath;
He had a broad face and was a bit smelly,
He shook, when he wanked like a bowlful of jelly.

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him beat off himself;
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread;

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings with smelly big turds,
He layed a big log right under my nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose;

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like a fucking great missile.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"HAPPY GOATSE TO ALL, AND TO ALL A GOOD-NIGHT!"

On the topic of cyberwar... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219308)

I guess I always knew I was gay, but I never let it show. Growing
up in a small town in Maryland being gay was a sure was to get your ass
kicked. There were a lot of hot guys in my Junior high school and I had
plenty of jerk-off fantasies, even at fifteen I had a vivid imagination.
But the guy I had the most fantasies about was Tony.

I met Tony when I moved to the neighborhood. The day we moved in a
group of neighborhood kids came by to say hi and tony was obviously the
"ring leader", so my parents let me take off. Tony and I got along from
the start and before long were "best buds".

Tony was my age, 5'8" 150 pounds not an ounce of fat anywhere, balck
hair and the most penetrating blue eyes, a real looker. Not that I was a
slouch, at 5'7" 140 brown curly hair and eyes I never had any trouble
getting a girl, I just did'nt want one. I wanted Tony.

Well one night I was lying in bed jerking off fantasizing about Tony, it
ws about 10 when I heard a tap at my window. Shit! I thought, and tried
to put myself back together. I opened the window and there was Tony,
with his ever present smile.

What are you doing here man? I asked. I was just out goofin and thought
I'd come by and see if ya wanted to go swimming down at old man johnsons
pond, I've a joint! I don't have any trunks, I said. Tony said don't
need'em. Shit I thought atleast I'll get a chance to see him naked, what
the fuck? Hold on let me see if my parents are asleep. I crept to my
parents bedroom door and peeked in, they were fast asleep.
It's cool they're asleep I said and climbed out the window.

We smoked the joint as we walked thru the woods . I was nervous but the
joint helped. When we got to the pond, Tony got undressed and he wasnt
shy about it. He faced me as we stripped. Damn he was fine. I could feel
my cock starting to get hard so I hurried up and jumped in the pond.
Tony was'nt far behind. By now I had a good buzz and one helluva hard
on. I couldn't believe I was skinny dipping with my best friend
and favorite jerk-off fantasy. We were laughing, joking and getting
closer to each other in the water. We were about a foot apart when Tony
grabbed at me, when I tried to push away, my hand slipped downward off
his chest and I touched his cock. SHIT!! I thought he's got a hard on
too! Tony just looked at me and smiled.

It's the pot. He said. Does it too me every time. He moved closer, right
in front of me, looking me right in the eyes. I could'nt speak, I just
kinda looked at him. His eyes were so deep, his smile so inviting, I
reached out amd grabbed his cock and started stroking it. It filled my
hand, it felt like a polish sausage.. huge.

Damn Kev, that feels good, stroke it. He grabbed me and pulled me to
him. Then he grabbed my cock, I trembeled.

I've wanted to do this for a long time Tony. I know, me too, I've
watched you jerk off through your window for a while. Why did'nt you
ever say anything? I asked. I am now, he replied. Let's finish this on
the bank Kev. Sure.

We got out of the pond, the moon shone down out of a cloudless sky, with
out a word, He grabbed me and gave me a long deep french kiss. Our
tongues met just like us, strangers that soon became more than friends.

I felt his hands on my shoulders, the kiss broke. Suck my dick Kev. I
dropped to my knees. I could'nt believe I was going to get my first
taste of cock and it was going to be Tonys! He smelled of musk and pond
water, I felt his hand on my head urging me on. I opened and let him in.
I could only get about 5 of his 8 inches in at first, but I quickly
learned how to relax my throat and soon I had him all the way down my
throat. It felt so good, so natural. I could feel his cock pulse in my
mouth. I thought I was gonna cum and I had'nt even touched myself yet!

I did'nt want it to end, I pulled off. Suck my cock Tony. Let's do each
other Kev. I laid on my back and he straddled my face and stuck his cock
in my mouth. Then he took mine in one fell swoop. His mouth felt so
good on my 7 inch cock, so warm and wet. I could feel it every time he
moaned and I guess he could too. Soon we were face fucking each other. I
comming close I could feel the load building. I started bucking my hips,
then BOOM I started shooting, Tony took every drop. Then Tony started
fucking my face harder. Fuck man, take it Kev I'm close man suck my
dick, shit I cummin damn!, Fuck, OOOHHH shit. Tony filled my mouth
full,I tried to swallow it all, it tasted salty but sweet. He collapsed
beside me. We kissed again. I reached down, he was still hard!

Kev, I wanna fuck you man. I've never been fucked man. I'll be gentle
Kev, I promise. Ok.

Tony got on his knees and lifted my legs over his shoulders. Relax Kev.
He stuck a spit covered finger in and started finger fucking me, then
two, then three. After a couple of minutes he pulled his fingers out,
then he spit on his dick. Ouch! Relax Kev, I got the head in. Slowly he
worked all the way in then, slow strokes. Damn it felt good!! My best
bud fucking me slowly at first, then faster. I could feel his balls
slapping my ass, he grabbed my hard again cock and started stroking it
to match his thrusts. Damn Kev your ass feels so good, I'm gonna cum man
! I felt his cock swell he pupmed harder and faster. Shit Kev I'm
cumming!! Feeling him shoot set me off too. I shot a load all over my
chest. He collapsed on top of me.

Tony. Yeah Kev. That was fucking great! What are best buds for?

We fucked around for two years then he moved. I'll never forget Tony.
And if he's on the net (you know who you really are;)) maybe he'll see
this and get in touch!

Re:On the topic of cyberwar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219320)

What are you, some kind of fag?

Re:On the topic of cyberwar... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219325)

What are you, some kind of fag?

I'm reading Slashdot, I thought homosexuality was some kind of requirement here.

Upcoming Real War (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219346)

welcome to the new world order
everybody is invited

afterall, you wouldn't want to be left out
regardless of your political stance.
eventually, you'll cave in and share our views.

great things lie in store for
our future. We're planning to
invade Canada and finally get all those bastards
not to speak French anymore; also, we're
going to get rid of Microsoft.

tell me you wouldn't be happy to see Microsoft
obscured from the face of the earth?

all alternative OS users will be happy to live under
this new, improved form of government.
the time has come to stand up and
acknoledge the end has come for the
current state of the US government where too long have
kids been afraid of what the future has in store for them.

Short-sightedness (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219349)

"In the run-up to the first anniversary of September 11"

Correct me if I am wrong, but there have been a fair few September 11th's so far. The first anniversary was a good while ago.

Viagra-Popping Dictator Loves Torture Videos (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4219363)

Saddam Hussein pops Viagra, tried to kill his son, met with and gave money to Osama bin Laden, dances to a Frank Sinatra recording, likes to watch "The Godfather" and gets his kicks looking at videos showing torture.

That's part of the portrait of the Iraqi dictator drawn by his ex-mistress Parisoula Lampsos during an exclusive interview with ABC's Claire Shipman, due to be broadcast on Primetime Thursday this week.

According to the New York Post, Lampsos, Saddam's mistress for 30 years, says that her former lover cried after his forces were crushed in the Gulf War, but still considers himself one of history's greatest men.

Other revelations reported by the Post:

  • He tried to have Uday, his eldest son, assassinated.
  • He fears President Bush more than Bush's father.
  • He has a taste for Gazelle meat and raises and nurtures the animals, which he hand-picks to be slaughtered for his meals.
Lampsos told Shipman that Saddam ordered a hit on his son Uday, whose car was sprayed with machine-gun fire in December 1996 as he was driving in Baghdad. The son, who was left paralyzed by the attack, had killed a bodyguard who carried messages between Saddam and another one of his mistresses. Lampsos also said that Saddam had told her "I will kill him someday. Really, I mean I will kill him."

After the shooting, however, he expressed regret that his son had been paralyzed. "I didn't want [it] in that way," he told Lampsos. "I wanted him to die; it was better for him."

Lampsos says Saddam was totally confident he'd win the Persian Gulf War, telling her. "Who's America? Who do they think they are? I am Saddam." After he lost, he cried. "His eye was red, red, red."

She says Saddam fears President George W. Bush more than he did his father, who launched Operation Desert Storm, and believes the current president will go after him. "But he don't care," she says.

Lampsos, 54, was reputedly the favorite of the five mistresses Saddam has taken over the last 30 years. She saw him two or three times a week, and lived in the lap of luxury with jewels, cars, her own home and a villa on the grounds of Saddam's palace, with an entire room just for her clothes.

In the beginning, Lampsos said, she was in love with Saddam but, as the years went on, her passion for him cooled. Saddam had become cruel and had beaten her. She wanted out, but he told her she belonged to him.

In the early 1970s, when their affair temporarily cooled, Lampsos married a rich Iraqi businessman, who fathered her two daughters. Saddam threw the husband in jail and seized his assets.

A year ago, with the help of the anti-Saddam Iraqi National Congress, Lampsos escaped from Iraq. She now shuttles from safe house to safe house. Shipman met her at one of them in Beirut.

September 11 (2)

noz (253073) | about 12 years ago | (#4219403)

In the run-up to the first anniversary of September 11...

I might be wrong, but didn't September 11 exist before 2001??

(Aside): How many poets, philosophers and prophets predicted crazy shit happening at the 2000-year anniversary of Christ. My favourite is The Second Coming [poets.org] by W.B. Yeats. Enjoy...

riiiight .... (1)

cascadingstylesheet (140919) | about 12 years ago | (#4219482)

... Taiwan's President has accused China of threatening Taipei with "terrorist" tactics in a speech that will fuel Beijing's current fury: ...

Yeah! How dare he call them terrorists!! Why that might "fuel their current fury", and they might do something nasty and violent! Doesn't he know that he should give them what they want, because of fear of their violent threats???

Oh. Never mind ... that would make them terrorists ... silly me ...

Don't forget, it's election season in China... (4, Interesting)

wumingzi (67100) | about 12 years ago | (#4219534)

You may be reading the above line with disbelief. "Elections? What's he talking about? It's a Communist country!"

I didn't say they were proper, democratic elections with a broad voting franchise, I just said they were elections.

The 16th Communist Party Congress will convene in Beijing in October 2002. At this time, Communist Party Chairman, Central Military Commision Chairman, President, and Grand Pooh-Bah Jiang Zemin is supposed to step down from one or more of his 3 official posts, and appoint someone else (most likely Hu Jintao, also known as "Jintao Who?") to take his place. Or not. Vice-president and all-around nice guy Zhu Rongji will probably also step down. Li Peng (most famous as the fall guy for Tiananmen in '89. Second best known for a level of mental acuity which leaves visitors describing George W. Bush as comparatively bright and engaged) may or may not retire from his largely ceremonial posts.

In the mean time, everyone who has something to gain from old people being retired and their seats opening up is hustling for an edge. This means weird speeches, leaked documents, and all the usual bizarre intrigues which come with elections in more civilized places. To make things more fun, actual information about what's happening is on a need to know basis. None of ./'s readers are anywhere near the Zhongnanhai leadership compound. As such, anything they say (including this article) should be treated with the greatest of possible skepticism.

If you've read this far, you may be asking "That's just great, but what does this have to do with Taiwan and asymetric warfare?". Unsurprisingly, Taiwan is one of these issues which conservatives and hard-line nationalists love (they can write papers on new ways to intimidate Taiwan and demonstrate their conservative credibility), as well as reformers and other compartive liberals (they can agree with these proposals so they don't appear to be soft on the Taiwan Question).

In summary, this is old hat. It's one of these things that gets dragged out year after year (like prayer in schools in the US) where there's lots of talk and no action.

If you want a bunch of fun reading on this, here's a web page which popped up. No attributions, but lots of interesting background articles on the players:

http://www.geocities.com/ccparty2002/ [geocities.com]
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