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UT 2003 Client For Linux?

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the blam-blam-shoot-'em-up dept.

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Thomas A. Anderson writes "Although not officially supported, there is a very interesting post here from Mark Rein (VP of Marketing for Epic Games) that says UT 2003 client *already* runs on linux, and that it *might* be released close after the windows client. Let's all support Epic on this... Background: Back in April, on an IRC chat, Mark Rein stated that a linux server will happen, but the chance of linux and mac clients were a qualified "likely". He stated something similar in a chat in August. All the chat logs are interesting reads..."

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Does? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220192)

Does it run on BSD?

Re:Does? (2, Insightful)

soapvox (573037) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220243)

Well Mac OS X is a version of BSD so I would assume that all thier work to get it to run on a mac will make it a lot easier to port to BSD than from starting from scratch so lets hope so. Now that Mac is BSD based I would think this would lend itself to more titles that get ported over to the mac to be ported to other *nix types, not guaranteed but I hope more likely. I was actually in Fry's this weekend and blown away by how many Mac OS X games there are out there, the problem for the first gen ones were they were mostly carbon ports but as more are more Cocoa ports I think we will see more *nix commercial games, or this could all be wishful thinking.

Re: $_ (1)

brsmith4 (567390) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220383)

Not to be an ass, but I would like to know why people choose to run BSD when there are more apps and better driver support under linux? Yes, I know that you can run most linux apps flawlessly under emulation, but can you cite one good reason why you run BSD on your DESKTOP computer when Linux is available? BSD makes an excellent server OS, but the only reason I can see to run BSD on my desktop workstation is simply for additional elitism. It doesn't do anything that linux doesn't already do.

Please know that I am not bashing BSD. I think its a great OS. I simply want to know why people run it as opposed to linux on their desktop PC when linux has far greater support for new apps and hardware.

Re: $_ (1)

Sp4c3 C4d3t (607082) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220645)

I like running BSD on my desktop simply because it's a lot faster than Linux is. Even after optimizing my system to the max, Linux can never touch FreeBSD's speed.

Re: $_ (2, Funny)

Captain Pedantic (531610) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220744)

Not to be an ass, but I would like to know why people choose to run Linux when there are more apps and better driver support under Windows? Yes, I know that you can run some Windows apps flawlessly under emulation, but can you cite one good reason why you run Linux on your DESKTOP computer when Windows is available? Linux makes an excellent server OS, but the only reason I can see to run Linux on my desktop workstation is simply for additional elitism. It doesn't do anything that Windows doesn't already do.

Please know that I am not bashing Linux. I think its a great OS. I simply want to know why people run it as opposed to Windows on their desktop PC when Windows has far greater support for new apps and hardware.

Re: $_ (1)

fyonn (115426) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220945)

well, for me it's because linux has little foibles that annoy me. I like the way freebsd works. the way of updating the base system, the cleanness of the /etc directory. it's a matter of personal preference really. I never really liked compiling kernels on linux and the spraying of user installed apps all over the filesystem. I find freebsd to be "neater" and I know it better than I know linux.

most of the things I use are available in source form and compile wonderfully on freebsd. other apps I run under linux emulation (including, I might add, unreal tournament with full 3d hardware acceleration, I'm hoping to get simcity 3ku linux working this week (after it arrives that is).

dave

Calling all Patriots! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220394)

I can't believe this little Norman Mailer shit writing stuff like this so close to the tragedy of 911!

"This century is going to be the most awesome of all centuries to contemplate - there is a real question whether human kind will get to the end of it... America's so big, so powerful, and so vain, ... I get angry when I see it being less than it can be.

"The British have a love of their country that is profound. They can revile it, tell dirty stories about it. But deep down their patriotism is deep. In America we're playing musical chairs - don't get caught without a flag or you're out of the game. Why do we need all this reaffirmation? It's as if we're a three hundred pound man who's seven feet tall, superbly shaped, absolutely powerful, and every three minutes he's got to reaffirm the fact that his arm pits have a wonderful odor. We don't need compulsive, self-serving patriotism. It's odious...

"When you have a great country it's your duty to be critical of it so it can become even greater...

"Culturally, emotionally America is growing more loutish, arrogant, and vain.

"I detest this totally promiscuous patriotism. Wave a little flag and become a good person? Ugly.

"If we have a depression or fall into desperate economic times, I don't know what's going to hold the country together...

"There's just too much anger here, too much ruptured vanity, too much shock, too much identity crisis. And worst of all, too much patriotism. Patriotism in a country that's failing has a logical tendency to turn fascistic...

"Let's suppose ten people are killed by a small bomb on a street corner in some city in America. The first thing to understand is that there are 280 million Americans. So, there's one chance in 28 million you're going to be one of those people. By such heartless means of calculation, the 3000 deaths in the Twin Towers came approximately to one mortality for every 90,000 Americans. Your chances of dying if you drive a car are one in 7,000 each year. We seem perfectly ready to put up with automobile statistics. I fear I am ready to say there is a tolerable level to terror...

"One of the things I've always found least attractive about Tony Blair was his toadyish attitude toward Clinton...

"Clinton made a point of surrounding himself with people who might be 90% as intelligent as himself, but never his equal. Bush is smart enough to know that he couldn't possibly do the same, or the country would be run by morons."

Someone SHOOT THIS UNGRATEFUL SON OF A BITCH WHO HAS NO CLUE AS TO WHAT TRUE PATRIOTISM IS!?

One Less Reason (1)

1stflight (48795) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220194)

.. To keep my Windows partition, Yahhooo!!!

Re:One Less Reason (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220421)

Someone mod the parent down. Please. How many years have people been saying "I can finally get rid of Windows!!"? And how many years from now will they still be saying it? Windows won the Desktop. Either get over it, or go buy a Mac.

Cutting Edge (3, Interesting)

digitaltroglodyte (160425) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220200)

Funny how linux on the desktop was supposed to be a dead horse? Way to go Epic, put me down for a copy of UT2003! Check's on the way.

Digit

Re:Cutting Edge (2)

mirko (198274) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220409)

Please, wait until it *has* come, we've seen far too many announcements such as this one and far to few concretisations...
In the mean time, you may contact them to tell them how much you'd like them to support your OS :-)

Re:Cutting Edge (3, Informative)

octover (22078) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220424)

IIRC, back when Quake 3 came out I could only get it to run on my computer in Linux. Because I wanted to best FPS I could get, I started X and had it only run Quake. Today my computer is a lot faster and such, but I would probably still run the UT client the same way. The point I'm trying to make is that a game or a couple of games doesn't make the desktop. The word type applications and such, those are the things that the desktop is made of. Unfortunally after playing with Jaguar (Mac OS X.2) I agree with the Apple kids. Linux can't touch Jaguar when it comes to being my workstation. I got the cool/stable *nix under the hood, but my window manager and all my apps run the same way.


I'm more interested in seeing the Mac version personally.

Cool! If they pull this off.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220201)

If they DO create a UT2003 client for Linux, I'll be one very, very happy camper...

Any point on releasing the Linux version? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220202)

Honestly, how many Linuxusers will actually buy it? I think it's a waste of money and time.

why wait? (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220208)

if the Linux client is already working why should the users have to wait for it to be released? Don't they understand that is just an unnecessary hassle for Linux users who want to play their game?

Release the Windows client on CD, make the Linux client available on the www/FTP, and be done w/it. Most people are going to buy the CD for Windows anyway, the Linux people are quite familiar w/downloading their own clients from the web.

Just do it.

Re:why wait? (2, Insightful)

Squarewav (241189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220250)

just couse its running doesnt meen its running well, it could have all sorta of problems, mostly with sound and input I would think(ie moving from directsound&input) also could be crashing like mad, who knows, least they are working on it as we speak insted of waiting untill release

Re:why wait? (3, Interesting)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220255)

I'd like a Linux-only CD with the option of downloading a Windows client too. That way I can to go Electronics Boutique and buy Linux software. Wouldn't it be better for it to count as a Linux sale?

Re:why wait? (1)

OrangeSpyderMan (589635) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220271)

I quite agree. I don't use windows at all at home, and wood gladly but a linux game. For this reason I even paid thru the nose for the linux box version of Q3 instead of buying the cheaper windows version and downloading. I wanted to give them some way of knowing it was worth their while producing the linux port, which it is harder to do if everyone buys the windows version..

Troll Alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220349)

You wood, you FUCKING MORON.

This guy is a troll, please moderate accordingly.

Re:why wait? (2)

liquidsin (398151) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220350)

I did the same with Q3, but couldn't they do something like make you give your win version's cd key when you download the linux client to keep track? Or just put both clients on the cd, but that wouldn't help track the linux purchases. It would be nice if they could get some actual numbers on how many people got the linux version, if it would help other developers realize that it's a viable decision to release for "other" systems.

Re:why wait? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220470)

I wanted to give them some way of knowing it was worth their while producing the linux port

[Sarcasm]Obviously your efforst paid off [thelinuxreview.com][/Sarcasm]

Re:why wait? (1)

broody (171983) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220412)

I'd like a CD with both clients and a registration card asking me which one is my primary gaming platform. Of course, being a cheapskate for internet access leads me to want CDs with everything but the kitchen sink.

CD with game data and both client binaries. (2)

Christopher Thomas (11717) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220860)

I'd like a CD with both clients and a registration card asking me which one is my primary gaming platform.

Hear, hear.

This would guarantee that all versions were widely stocked, at no extra charge to the gaming stores, and the registration card (or an "OS ID" string transmitted by the binary) would tell the company how popular each OS choice was with their gamers.

The only problem being that, as per a previous post, the OpenGL (read: non-Windows) versions are still buggy. Oh well.

Re:why wait? (3, Interesting)

BMonger (68213) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220742)

There are two groups that learn about your OS preference. By purchasing a non-Windows version of a game the publisher realizes that somebody has bought this and is using it. To me, this is something that the publisher could gather when you create and connect to the servers possibly. So the publisher might have this information regardless of the version that you buy.

The other group that recieves this information is the store you purchase it from. Lets just say you're buying from EB. Initially they order 300 copies of Unreal for Windows and 3 of Unreal for Linux. All the copies for both platforms may very well sell. But they are only going to reorder for the Windows platform most likely. Most of their employees probably won't know that they sell the Linux version either. Then you're stuck buying the Windows version because you yourself might not even know that they sell the Linux version. If you know a Linux version is available you should have them order it for you. The downside to that is that you have to wait but it is one more sale for the Linux version. If they won't order you the Linux version order it online. Don't just settle for the Windows version. Unless it's an emergency LAN party situation. Then you can of course. :)

At least you have a shelvable version. I went to EB and asked if they had any Mac software and almost got laughed out of the store. Hopefully that will all change in a few years.

Re:why wait? (2, Informative)

ybmug (237378) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220266)

From the IRC log:

ScHlAuChi OpenGL in UT was much faster on some cards, and what about Linux Gamers?

MarkRein[Epic] That was UT, this is UT2003. UT was designed around software rendering and Glide. We have designed this particular game (and hence the latest versions of the engine) around Direct3D and they work really, really well together. This time around we would have to work really hard to get OpenGL to be as fast as D3D. We are doing OpenGL (needed for Linux client and Mac down the road if we do it) but it is not a priority and probably won't be ready and debugged well enough in time for retail release.

Just because it's running... (2)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220398)

...doesn't mean it's ready for release. It means that they have a source tree that compiles and largely executes under multiple platforms.

There's quirks, etc. from the Windows side that invariably slip into the mix that render code written to be cross-platform unstable. Those bits of code have to be found out (unless you're coding 100% for all the target platforms...) and fixed before release or you have something buggy as hell out there.

This is indeed great news. (4, Funny)

cioxx (456323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220210)

Because now players won't use the lame excuse when they're losing the deathmatch:

"Sorry my game froze, I had to reboot"

Re:This is indeed great news. (1)

Squarewav (241189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220286)

I wish I had your luck with 3d and linux, I get all sorts of strange lock ups and reboots and every once in a while every 3d game I run is so choppy it unplayable I even tried killing X and everything that wont kill the system and it will still do it takes a reboot to fix it, its not a bad card ether works perfict in windows, Its a geforce4 ti 4200, useing the driver that my distro supplies (suse8.0 supposeably its an offical nvidia driver) I dont know maybe i'll figure it out someday

Re:This is indeed great news. (0)

gazbo (517111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220450)

Oh, stop spouting FUD. X and Linux are both open source. There are thousands of eyes looking over the source code, if there were any bugs that required a reboot then they'd have been found by now, as they say "many eyes make all bugs shallow".

As a personal example, when my parents went away for a weekend I booted the family computer into Linux and left it running over the entire weekend that they were away, and there was not a single error. I think you must have faulty hardware if it crashes like you said.

Re:This is indeed great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220547)

There are thousands of eyes looking over the source code

A dollar says your eyes aren't among the thousands.

when my parents went away for a weekend I booted the family computer into Linux and left it running over the entire weekend that they were away, and there was not a single error.

Computers that sit around doing nothing will run without "a single error" with no problem.

Re:This is indeed great news. (2)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 11 years ago | (#4221112)

If I left any machine just sitting idle botted into the system, it would run all weekend without errors too. The parent was talking about playing 3d FPSs and getting errors. That's very believable.

Re:This is indeed great news. (1)

thesadmac (599744) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220577)

You tried upgrading the drivers? There is a Linux section at nvidia's site. They even provide RPMs for those who don't like to compile stuff.

Re:This is indeed great news. (1)

Dacobi (315664) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220578)

The Nvidia driver in suse 8.0 very old.
Just get the latest driver from nvidias website.

http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_40/1.0-2960/NVI DIA_GLX-1.0-2960.suse80.i386.rpm
http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86_40/1.0-2960/NVI DIA_kernel-1.0-2960.suse80.i386.rpm

Re:This is indeed great news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220510)

"Sorry my game froze, I had to reboot"

Yeah ... now they'll just have to use the excuse "Sorry I couldn't get the game working but after fixing a series of broken dependencies, installing a host of new libraries, running out and buying a 'more compatible' video card, and recompiling my kernel for the umpteenth time, I still couldn't get it to load."

Re:This is indeed great news. (1)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220633)

I blame it all on lag!

Everytime i point at something and pulls the trigger and that something doesnt die its because of lag.

Come see me at fraggelonia =)
Ill kill you!

Dual Crank option. (2)

Neck_of_the_Woods (305788) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220215)

Great, now I have crank on linux and windows. Home life is now gone, along with all work productivity.

Re:Dual Crank option. (0)

soapvox (573037) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220264)

DAMN!!! You're right, I am going to lose my wife, my house, my job, DAMN YOU EPIC!!!!! Hey but atleast I'll have UT2003 to keep me company!

Now all we need... (5, Interesting)

dwcasey (579461) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220216)

Is to make sure we have driver support for our ATI 9700's so that we can actually play it.

Re:Now all we need... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220396)

Don't even dream about this. ATI released just recently Linux drivers for Radeon 8500 which was released over a year ago.

If history repeats itself ATI will release their next generation product before Radeon 9700 will get proper Linux support.

Re:Now all we need... (1)

Sp4c3 C4d3t (607082) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220701)

Solution: Buy nvidia cards. Then you're guaranteed to have Linux support. Hell, Carmack himself said Doom 3 under Linux would be an nvidia version. :p

Re:Now all we need... (1)

fyonn (115426) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220798)

only good if you're running linux. I play ut under freebsd using the linux client and an nvidia card is damn all good to me there. I use an ati radeon instead because I can get HW accelerated 3d in that. besides, we want competition as that gives us better hardware remember :)

dave

This is good news!! (0)

Dri (16940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220228)

I love UT and hate Windows. No reason rebooting if this baby runs smooth.

Re:This is good news!! (1)

esper_child (515754) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220411)

There is a Linux client for UT you know. Granted I am not sure how well it works as I don't run linux here anymore, nor did I try UT when I did have it running here. Maybe this time around they won't make it so that you have to download the linux client and put it on the CD instead to make it easier for you guys who hate being in windows all the time.

Re:This is good news!! (1)

Pius II. (525191) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220944)

The Linux client works (better than the windows one on my PC), but it's not the latest version. That doesn't matter much, since it's _almost_ the latest; the sourcecode(openut.sf.net) however is just version 4.02 or something.
UT 2003 looks really portable (not that I had seen that leaked beta or something), it uses OpenAL (which Epic even had certified for some surround sound) and probably has portable code (due to the Linux server version). The only problem with porting is Direct3D->OpenGL, but that will probably happen anyway, since I guess they will want to support Mac OS X.
Oh well, I'll buy it, no matter what, and I'll be happy to be able to play it under Linux.

Not So Fast... (1)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220230)

Not trying to troll here, but I seem to recall another eagerly anticipated game (neverwitner nights) being "available" for linux... not saying this wont take happen, but...

Re:Not So Fast... (1)

SkankhodBeeblebrox (581971) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220598)

Have some faith... They said the game would rock, and it does...
They've said it'll be out, it'll be out...

From Bioware's Linux Client page:
What we can't give you right now:

- an exact completion date

All we can estimate is that we expect the Linux Client to be available for download in Fall 2002.

What we can give you:
- Linux client screenshots
- an assurance that the Linux client will be released
- a web page [bioware.com] for the Linux Client where all updates will take place

Re:Not So Fast... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220720)

Yes, faith, and money in my purse to buy the game when the Linux client will be released.

I won't buy it unless I have the client for my penguin.
Nevertheless, the screenshot looks very promising.

Who to contact? (1)

Repugnant_Shit (263651) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220237)

I'd like to alert Epic of my support for Linux UT 2003, but I can't find any email addresses except support on their page. Who do we talk to? On the other hand, maybe they don't want to be bombarded by those crazy Linux weirdos.

Re:Who to contact? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220316)

Yes indeed no wants to hear from the linux crazies, what a bunch of freaks, losers, and jackasses. Linux is for little sissy men.

Imagine... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220242)

... a beowulf cluster of those!

2 bits. Shave and a haircut.... (3, Interesting)

Rahga (13479) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220254)

Well, I am definitely looking forward to getting my hands on UT 2k3, if only to see how far I can mod it.... However, I fear that it will be completely overshadowed by Battlefield 1942 sales (which will go hand in hand with sales for new video cards to handle the hardware T&L requirements). Not that it's a bad thing, because Battlefield may wind up being a far superior game in most aspects.

This news about the Linux client, however, is really surprising. Lately, I've heard much more about centering development around DirectX in order to save on a humongous chunck of development time for the X-Box on the Unreal Engine as a whole. Something along the lines of "Why bother with OpenGL, when DirectX does everything we need and more" seems very familiar to me....

Battlefield 1942 rocks! (1)

Manic Miner (81246) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220579)

It really does.. I play a LOT of fps games. I am a great fan of the delta force series of games, although their on-line play sucks. I really like operation flashpoint etc. but the realism goes a little bit too far and makes them frequently un-playable / too frustrating... Counterstrike is great but if you make a mistake and get killed in the first 30 seconds of a round it can get a bit tedious.

Battlefield 1942 is incredible, you have the die and re-spawn of quake et al. with some believeable real world physics (if you blow up a jeep while it's moving you can watch the arc of the jeep as it flies through the air and bounces), not acurate but fun and not stupidly un-realistic.

The range of vehicles and the way they respawn is great being able to pilot an aircraft carrier, then jump into a bomber, do a few bombing runs before bailing out, getting into a tank charging forward with another player operating the machine gun on top, then jump out crawl up a hill and snipe people, then use an AA gun to shoot down planes - fantastic fun! Add to this is ability to ride on a tank by jumping onto it.. or even ride an airplane wing and do some wing-walking, it is one very imersive and fun game.

To become an expert requires practice and good control, but anyone can pick up and play very quickly. I will definately be buying battlefield when it comes out. I've never really got on the with Unreal games, though I must admit they look pretty.

I'm not bitching, just curious: (3, Interesting)

Ieshan (409693) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220265)

Will the Linux version cost less because they're not offering tech support with it. or will it just be community-support-based, like every other product? And, if it is going to be community based, are they going to "provide the space"?

I can understand why no tech support - every user has 1239880198231 different configurations. But it seems that if they're not going to be providing a valuable source of information (just because you're a geek doesn't mean you've never called tech support, everyone has), they ought to do two things: A) Establish a community space for the Linux Gamers on their site to allow questions that pertain to the Linux Version(s) to be answered and/or B) provide source for some pieces of the program.

Since most people use these types of games to play online anyway, if they have a secure system for validating keys (see battle.net), they shouldn't have to worry about open-sourcing parts of (or the entire) client.

Re:I'm not bitching, just curious: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220482)

They do provide some of the source.

This is how people make mods.

How does this help when your video is having drawing errors or if you're crashing?

Beats me.

I'm completely failing to see how providing parts of the code in any way helps with technical problems. Open source is not some magical thing that just fixes problems for you.

Re:I'm not bitching, just curious: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220623)

Will the Linux version cost less because they're not offering tech support with it

If Epic is smart, they will charge more because Linux people have "principles" and when some company shows an ounce of interest in their world, they either flame them for being "jumping on the Linux bandwagon" or crawl out of their holes by the thousands wielding flags with Penguins on them and burning Windows OEM CDs. So all Epic needs to do is put up some website that has some highly intelligent comment on it such as "Bill Gates is a fucking faggot" and the little kiddies will drool all over it and pay $70 or $100 for the UT 2003 Box that has a penguin on it.

ATI Linux users are doomed (1)

Powercntrl (458442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220270)

(From the post on the linked page)
Currently Linux will only work well with Nvidia cards - apparently ATI's OpenGL Linux and Mac drivers don't support texture compression. Hopefully this is something they will soon fix.

ATI fix bugs in their drivers??? I'm running OLDER drivers as it is because the latest Radeon 8500 drivers are unstable, overlay doesn't work with my Divx movies and VB hangs while compiling (okay, building an .EXE, I know, I know). I e-mailed ATI's tech support and they sent me back a form letter. If this is the way ATI treats their main market (Windows users), I feel REALLY bad for Linux users. Isn't The Weather Channel developing an open source Radeon 8500 driver?

Re:ATI Linux users are doomed (1)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220306)

I do all those things with my Radeon card with the latest drivers without a hitch.

I'd imagine you just don't know how to operate your system correctly.

It's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

Re:ATI Linux users are doomed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220362)

I do all those things with my Radeon card with the latest drivers
without a hitch.
I'd imagine you just don't know how to operate your system correctly


(Posting Anon cause I know I've wandered into the realm of the offtopic post.)

You can keep imagining, because the problem only manifests itself with the newer drivers. Maybe VB .NET doesn't have the problem, I don't have the money nor the desire to pirate a newer version of VB just to fix some kind of issue ATI created in their drivers. As for Divx, it's pretty easy for the overlay to be inactive without some people noticing it. Since I have an LCD display, the lack of interpolation rears a pretty ugly head. I've also been able to reproduce this problem on a Radeon 7000 and a Radeon 7200 in TWO other computers. It's simply a case of ATI not giving a shit.

Re:ATI Linux users are doomed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220758)

Maybe he wasnt using Windows !?

Re:ATI Linux users are doomed (1)

mczak (575986) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220467)

ATI already has a linux/Xfree driver for the radeon 8500 / firegl 8700/8800 which supports compressed textures, however it's not yet released (check http://www.tommti-systems.de unfortunately links only work with session management on that site, so go to archive, and click the link for july - relevant message is on 23.07.2002.

The Weather Channel funded driver is also nice and can be downloaded from http://dri.sourceforge.net - but no texture compression because of patent issues :-(.

mczak

how about unreal 2 (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220276)

I am more interested in that one. But I will buy UT2003 when it has a linux client.

Why abbreviate the key part of a headline??? (1)

verch (12834) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220299)

I'm not much of a gamer. I didn't know what UT 2003 was and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Is it so hard to spell out the entire headline of a story?

Re:Why abbreviate the key part of a headline??? (1)

programmingart (574001) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220358)

UT2003= Unreal Tournament 2003. The orginal Unreal Tournament is probably the best game I ever played. You have weapons and are pitted against opponents basically. Guess another Shoot Them Up type game, but the graphics and playability are endless. I still play it and I warezed it 2 years ago. I should buy a copy because the developers work behind this game is obviously worth it. One game I feel bad about warezing.....I'll go out and buy the Orignal copy this week. They deserve the revenue. As for the new version(2003), I don't think my system can handle the truth(400 MHZ, 384 RAM, 32 MEG Video Card). I'm not going to blow about $700 to build a new system for a game, everything else works great, other than I run WIN XP(not warezed), my school has a kick ass agreement with MS, what can I say. I still have Linux running on my old box though, so I'm not a total lamer.

Re:Why abbreviate the key part of a headline??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220404)

Well, aren't you just the generous one? Warez a game, play it for two years, then buy it out of a bargain bin to "support the developers." Give me a break.

NWN Redux? (1)

davehaas (410072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220305)

Let's hope this doesn't turn into another Foobarco Systems All-Clients-in-the-Box(TM) thing like NWN turned out to be.

I'm beginning to think that sort of thing is becoming the game industry standard - clients for Mac and Linux turn up months after the Windows release does, as the company tries to find other ways to eek out the maximum revenue of a product whose sales are dwindling,

Re:NWN Redux? (1)

thesadmac (599744) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220402)

That's exactly what I was thinking.

You forgot to mention that the Mac/Linux ports are of inferior quality though without editing tools and never up to date with the latest Windows version; I wouldn't be quite so bothered by this if these companies didn't actually say they'd be released at the same time and wouldn't be feature complete.

I guess that's why I run all 3 major OSs though.

epic rox! (1)

sideone (256163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220319)

way to go epic!! now that we have a lin* client, ill take the next year of my life and port it to bsd )

Lin* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220399)

WTF is Lin*? Do you mean Linux? Christ you people, get it together...

MaxOSX and you've got my $$$.... (2)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220320)

The credit card comes out when OSX is supported...

And please, don't bother replying with, "And it'll also come out when I root your boxen."

:)

NWN? (1, Troll)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220321)

I'm fucking sick of hearing from game makers that they will release their title on GNU/Linux... shortly after the Windows release. Bullshit. Utter bullshit. They will either _not_ release it, or wait a few fucking months after the Windows release... that way, noone is playing it anymore and is interested in the next game. I'm sick of it and I'm not going to deal with it any more. I'll just buy a GameCube game instead of doing this stupid "Hey, this company is pretty cool because they support GNU/Linux... This company is shit because they lied about supporting GNU/Linux! Fuck them all!

Re:NWN? (1)

Anonymous Custard (587661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220374)

Don't be such a crybaby! They've gotta make money somehow, it's their job to make and sell games. You want it for free under GNU/Linux, then you wait while they make money off the initial popularity. You want it right away, then you buy the not-free version on release day.

Best of both worlds would be for them to release a not-free linux version (as someone previously posted), at the same time as the windows version, even if it's only for-sale online (since many computer stores might be reluctant to use up shelf space for a niche linux version).

Re:NWN? (2)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220531)

Hey, screw you pal. I never for once said I wanted it for free so fuck off. I'm fully willing to pay for games... Unless you didn't read the whole post, you would have noticed that I said I would _BUY_ GameCube games. That takes money... I'm not the only person out there that is willing to shell out the bucks for a Linux version of a game. Get your shit straight or don't bother saying anything.

Re:NWN? (1)

psailor (88197) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220965)

Huh? I think someone doesn't have all the facts.

Just because something is released under GNU/Linux doesn't mean it has to be free. I pre-purchased (Yes that is purchased as in bought, paid money, etc.) my copy of NWN for Linux and am pissed because I have not been able to play the game! Bioware, et. al. promised that the Linux and Mac versions would be shipped with the Windows versions, but didn't keep their end of the bargain.

The original poster is mad because this seems to be a trend with companies lately. They say they are going to support Linux and MAC OS's just to get people to buy the game, then put off the release until months after the Windows version comes out. I had to wait two months to get Return to Castle Wolfenstein! (Which I also paid for btw!) These companies are promising not-free versions will be shipped at the same time as the Windows versions and then just blowing off the non-Windows clients.

This trend which has been happening for years irritates the hell out of me, almost as much as people thinking Linux users don't want to pay for anything!!!

Re:NWN? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220736)

I'll just buy a GameCube

Agreed. That's what I did. A console system for games and Windows on the Desktop... for now. I'd really like to get a Mac so I can run OS X but prices of the the hardware are ridiculous for what you get. Mac hardware needs an AMD competitor. I have ZERO interest in running Linux on a PC as a Desktop machine. I'm extremely familiar with Linux as I've been using it as a server machine for years. Works alright as a Sys. Admin environment where you have a bunch of shells open to watch log files and such. But as a Desktop environment I have to say, it totally blows. What is a Desktop environment? Well, that depends on who you ask. But for me it's a computer that just works. I have my Linux servers to play with when I want to get down and dirty. But on the Desktop, I just want to plug in my digital camera and get the pictures off it without mounting it and unmounting it, I want to print (imagine that), I want to put a CD and burn/copy it, etc... Yes all these things can be done in Linux but it's never as easy. And that list is extremely condensed. I could give you many examples of things that CAN'T be done with a regular Linux Desktop without a huge amount of headache.

If it's true.... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220322)

I will pre-buy 2 copies Right now without question.

Gimmie gimmie gimmie!

UT is still my absolute favorite game of all time... it is better than all the quake series to me (Gotta love sniper rifles! although Q3 with Urban Terror really rocks) and is still played heavily at most of the lan parties I go to (next to Half life... Cripes! HL get's alot of play!)

Excellent! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220326)

I'm not much of a gamer, I've only purchased two games in my life, Unreal Tournament and Medal of Honor: AA, Unreal Tourny 2003 will be my third, Especially since a Linux client is on the way. Great Job Epic! Keep this up and hopefully I can purchase a fourth!!! :)

Question the source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220328)

Mark Rein was also the one who said we could expect Quakeworld quality multiplayer out of the box from Unreal. Anyway, Mark Rein is just PR and this just seems to reek of a PR stunt. The Linux gaming community is very small, but one cannot deny that giving the small community games enhances the general image of the company.

my take on it (3)

Vodak (119225) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220329)

EPIC is going to release a Linux client for the next version of Unreal Tournament, why should we care? It's pointless to get overjoyed by this semi announcement. I mean it's not officially supported. It only works with NVidia cards and it won't show other companies that people want Linux games.

Linux needs applications that can be purchased directly as Linux apps.

In order for Linux to goto the next level we need UT2003 to be supported and sold in a Linux version. Just being able to download the Linux binaries will not bring Linux to the next level. Software companies don't care how many times epic had the Linux binaries downloaded they care how many copies Linux UT2003 sold in the market And yes I do understand that when Quake3Arena had a Linux version it wasn't all that successful but that had to do with a couple of reasons. Unless companies see that Linux apps and Linux games sell Linux will just be a webserver or hacker toy.

I love using Linux, BSD and the like but just being able to download the binaries gets us no where. id has been releasing the quake binaries for a while as was the first version of UT able to be played on Linux. Being happy that a company is releasing semi working Linux binaries for download it nothing to cheer about, you should be pissed that epic doesn't trust the game enough to release it to Linux.

Re:my take on it (2)

Darren Winsper (136155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4221039)

The reason it'll only work on NVIDIA cards is because the drivers for other cards simply aren't up to it. They don't support the appropriate extensions, such as texture compression.

Don't forget about the full game size! (2, Informative)

AFCArchvile (221494) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220339)

Remember, UT2K3 is slated to take up over 3GB of hard drive space. Hopefully they're not going to require a CD present in the drive since they're implementing a cd key system (IIRC), but that's still a huge chunk for an MP-only game.

Don't waste your money unnecessarily; I plan on sticking with the demo unless I find a really good reason to buy it.

Re:Don't forget about the full game size! (1)

thesadmac (599744) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220503)

You're reccomending against buying this game because it takes up a lot of hard disk space? That's not the most convincing argument I've ever heard.

The reason I may not buy this game (who am I kidding, course I am) is because it doesn't do anything that UT + q3 didn't do. Can't beat q3 DM and can't beat UT other stuff.

Linux Games has this news last week (1)

Chris Croome (24340) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220359)

The article and discussion on the Linux Games site can be found here [linuxgames.com].

I only noticed it because I have Linux Games as a slashbox on the front page of slashdot...

this sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220360)

i'm talking about slashdot

Re:this sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220391)

I thought you were talking about me, big boy. I love to suck... Gosh, I'm getting a raging hard on right this very moment picturing your cute geek self, naked on an office chair ready for me to put my hot wet lips on your throbbing member. Ooooh I think I'm gonna cream myself.

Server to be released too. (1)

arestivo (459117) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220454)

I've been told that we should be able to release the Linux client and server executables around the same time as the windows version ships.--Mark Rein

It seems that the Linux version of the server will also be released around the same time.

Who Here Hates Yuropeens? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4220492)

I know I do.

Release the linux client already! (2)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220493)

I play UT every single day and have the windows version because i wanted it pronto, not a couple of months after it was released. I wont be buying the windows version this time cause i havent a single windows disc or installation (except a couple of beer coasters, pretty stained they are).

If there are a linux client avaliable what keeps them from releasing it. A popular game like UT should give a pretty good picture of how much interest there is in linux and gaming if they realese them at the same time.

If they realese windows version first many ppl will buy the windows version just so they can play the darn game. Thus linux user copies showing up as windows copies.

Quake 3 already tried this... (2)

dave-fu (86011) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220580)

...and there's a reason that iD isn't releasing a *nix version of Doom 3: the market just isn't there. It's nice to cater to a niche audience, but these are big companies with a lot of outlay to recoup and they're not losing anything but not releasing a *nux version of their games as everyone dual-boots.
The game's pretty and it runs almost as fast as Unreal Tournament while being noticably prettier (at least the alpha leak does on my computer or so I might say if I had gotten a copy of it). I can't wait to get my hands on a real copy of it.

Re:Quake 3 already tried this... (1)

Rune69 (244519) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220675)

Actually, there will be a Doom 3 for Linux.

Take a look here [tuxgames.com], or go here [tuxgames.com]to preorder a copy.

Re:Quake 3 already tried this... (2)

jfedor (27894) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220741)

Actually, what you're preordering at Tux Games is the Windows version - they might include an additional CD with the Linux binaries if they're available at the time (or perhaps the binaries will be on the main game CD, who knows). The whole point of this is that they (Tux Games) report the copies they sell to id Software as Linux sales - so that id knows that there is a market for Linux games (even though it will probably only show how small the market is).

But of course you're right when you say that there will be a Linux version of Doom III - John Carmack has stated that on several occasions. But it won't be a separate box on the shelf - just downloadable binaries (or in an 'unsupported' directory on the CD if they're ready on time).

-jfedor

UT? (1)

Lazarus_Bitmap (593726) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220794)

Okay, I know it's Unreal Tournament. And most gamers probably know the acronym as well. But could slashdot editors at least spell out acronyms once in a story description? Geez...

I'll be watching this closely, I haven't forgotten (1)

unorthod0x (263821) | more than 11 years ago | (#4220881)

I was one of many burned with the first Unreal.. One full year of broken promises to the key of; "We're all exhausted from developing, the patches are coming soon", and the patches that did eventually come out were weak, breaking functionality left right and centre.. "We're still working hard on the patches, please don't e-mail us anymore!", it went on and on when all of a sudden boom out comes Unreal Tournament, the original Unreal was still in beta.. I ended up dropping it around then because I was fed up of the whole scenario, looking around today there seems to be a "final" patch for Unreal, but the game's back in it's box and gathering dust. I'm curious as to how their Linux initiative will unravel, but my past experience with them was lacklustre to say the least and you can bet that I won't be rushing out to the stores to buy my copy, I'm going to sit tight and wait to see what happens with all this first..

Question about linux gaming (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 11 years ago | (#4221122)

And this is just me having not run Linux on a decent machine for a long long time. :) How is Linux for handling games that are heavy on the 3D? I've never bothered using it for 3D gaming at all, so if anyone could enlighten me on this it would be great.
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