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Intel to Build DRM into Next-Generation CPUs

michael posted about 12 years ago | from the goodbye-personal-computing dept.

Intel 952

mdecerbo writes "The Boston Globe is reporting that next year's Intel processors will include hardware support for Microsoft's "Palladium" DRM system. There are chilling privacy implications. AMD, here I come."

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He likes the Cock!! (-1, Troll)

mwjlewis (602559) | about 12 years ago | (#4228867)


I have an idea (3, Insightful)

Taylor_Durden (605279) | about 12 years ago | (#4228876)

Let's all just keep our current computers.

Re:I have an idea (2, Insightful)

mirko (198274) | about 12 years ago | (#4229053)

Exactly, not so long ago, we'd stay for ages with our existing machines, my first (personal) one was an atari 520ST that I used for 6 years before buying something else (an Acorn RiscPC).
So, yes, the best way to stop this technological inflation is simply to exploit what we have to the most of their capicities :-)

Re:I have an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229105)

besides, do you really need more than 2GHz to run Linux or BSD?

Re:I have an idea (1)

tiedyejeremy (559815) | about 12 years ago | (#4229055)

That would cut down on the junk piling up in third world countries....

Sorry but... (5, Interesting)

secondsun (195377) | about 12 years ago | (#4228877)

AMD has already agreed to support paladium.

Re:Sorry but... (1)

Dalcius (587481) | about 12 years ago | (#4228933)

From what I hear (father of someone I know is a big guy at AMD), many folks there are edgy about supporting it, but they're in it because they don't want to "miss the boat."

Re:Sorry but... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4228969)

From what I hear (father of someone I know is a big guy at AMD), many folks there are edgy about supporting it, but they're in it because they don't want to "miss the boat."

Germany, IBM, 1938. "Sure we can supply you with calculators to tally up the Jews you are collecting to relocate."

Re:Sorry but... (5, Funny)

jazman_777 (44742) | about 12 years ago | (#4229134)

From what I hear (father of someone I know is a big guy at AMD), many folks there are edgy about supporting it, but they're in it because they don't want to "miss the boat."

Which boat? The Titanic or the Lusitania?

Re:Sorry but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4228936)

And support for it has already been written into the linux kernel too ive been told. Hopefully when it comes out, theres enough consumer resistance in the best buy market not to buy these machines.

Mod parent up! (2)

Rupert (28001) | about 12 years ago | (#4228939)

It's unfortunate, but /.s favorite CPU maker is already on the TCPA bandwagon.

Re:Sorry but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4228940)

Proof please, a link to a AMD or Microsoft press release would be sufficient.

Re:Sorry but... (0, Offtopic)

PD (9577) | about 12 years ago | (#4228951)

Zilog, here I come!

Re:Sorry but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229092)

That's a bogus moderation. It was on-topic. You may not agree with that guy's humor, but you shouldn't be so un-American about it. If you're English, then I apologize, you can't help it.

Re:Sorry but... (2, Insightful)

denisbergeron (197036) | about 12 years ago | (#4228984)

Via Here I Come.
I will buy Taiwan Hardware, I scrap My Harley Davidson and Buy and Daewoo right now :-)

tubgirl rules! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4228881)

oh yeah

h to the
v to the penis bird

Poo (-1, Flamebait)

eamber (121675) | about 12 years ago | (#4228886)

Intel are a bunch of donkey raping shit eaters.

I hope AMD doesn't jump on this boat, too. I remember hearing the possibility that they might... :/

So does this mean USING DRM free violates DMCA? (1, Interesting)

nethole (126708) | about 12 years ago | (#4228887)

So if we were to use AMD instead of Intel, does this mean we'd be violating the DMCA?

Re:So does this mean USING DRM free violates DMCA? (1)

james_underscore (468915) | about 12 years ago | (#4229095)


amd, intel, etc. (1)

raindog151 (157588) | about 12 years ago | (#4228888)

so does this mean (in theory, anyway) if ms should decide to demand this support in the users chipset to run windows[2004?], that AMD will have to get on the bandwagon or limit their market to paranoid people like myself?

wonder how... (1)

Valpis (6866) | about 12 years ago | (#4228891)

The system will filter spam.

Would be really nice to know how they gonna make that work...

Re:wonder how... (1)

Maran (151221) | about 12 years ago | (#4229043)

"The system will filter spam.

Would be really nice to know how they gonna make that work..."

Three answers, depending on your current levels of paranoia and cynicism:

1) It won't.

2) It'll forward all your e-mail to the government for them to "filter" first.

3) It'll work just as well as hotmail's junk mail filters, but is a good way to con non-techies into using it.


Re:wonder how... (2, Offtopic)

morgajel (568462) | about 12 years ago | (#4229088)


delete from inbox subject like '%amd%' or like '&gnu&' or like '%gpl%';

something like that.
that'll get rid of all that nasty spam that they decide is bad for you.

DO NOT trust people who can make money off you.

What if I don't? (1)

Thunderstruck (210399) | about 12 years ago | (#4228894)

Anyone know how this will apply to systems runnign Intel hardware but not M$ software or OS?

Simple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229093)

Running any software that isn't officially DRM-enabled will become a felony.

Time to rush the stores (2)

javacowboy (222023) | about 12 years ago | (#4228901)

Might as well buy the biggest, most powerful non-Palladium systems while they're still available.

Does this really matter? (4, Insightful)

purplebear (229854) | about 12 years ago | (#4228905)

I mean if you do not plan to run Palladium, where's the problem? This would not stop you from doing anything you do now. Doesn't the OS have to support DRM also in order for this to have any effect?

Re:Does this really matter? (1)

thinkninja (606538) | about 12 years ago | (#4228965)

that sounds right to me. palladium is a ms technology due to be built into longhorn (win2004) so running win2k/xp/*nix on a palladium chipset should mean that you're not effected. right?

Re:Does this really matter? (2)

AlgUSF (238240) | about 12 years ago | (#4229054)

Yeah, but jsut the fact that you are supporting R&D into adding DRM. I hope AMD doesn't do this, because DRM isn't a selling point, especially with the GEEKS (like me!) who support AMD, I purchased 2 AMDs in the past two weeks (2100+, 1800+).

Re:Does this really matter? (1)

RocketJeff (46275) | about 12 years ago | (#4229075)

so running win2k/xp/*nix on a palladium chipset should mean that you're not effected. right?
Well, you're most likely safe with *nix platforms.

Remember that Microsoft has been changing their EULA on Windows components so that they have a right to upgrade them for DRM without telling you. I'd bet that they'd 'patch' Win2k & XP when they release Longhorn...

Jesus Loves DRM (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4228907)

  1. Jesus demands two things!
  2. To embrace Palladium and XP, for these are the OS's he uses, and drop the satanic and blasphemous BSD OS's.
  3. Reply to this post with straight pr0n troll fiction

Straight pr0n troll fiction (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229048)

There I was, fucking a corpse and a bowl of hot grits. It was fine, though, because I am a strapping young man, straight as an arrow, and I was pretty sure that the corpse was female and the bowl of grits was bi-sexual. (I assumed it was bisexual because I poured some in the corpse's eye sockets and it didn't jump right back out, so it must swing both ways.) My throbbing, pulsing, steaming, muscular, throbbing, purple shaft of throbbingness pounded into some orifice in the corpse, or perhaps just a void left from decay. And also into the grits. Then I grunted and shot my load. Then I thought to myself, "what the fuck am I doing? Jesus, I'm one sick motherfucker. This realy isn't normal behavior for a straight young man with a throbbing cock of throbbingness." Then I ate the grits.

Premium (1)

userunknown (82605) | about 12 years ago | (#4228909)

I would pay extra for a non-DRM AMD Processor. I bet many others would also.


intel supports palladium? (1)

KingPrad (518495) | about 12 years ago | (#4228912)

...time to buy some AMD stock!

Time to stock up on pre-ban CPUs I guess... (2)

Rolo Tomasi (538414) | about 12 years ago | (#4228919)

... and I also wonder if VIA's C3 [] will remain DRM-free.

Fine. (1)

RiotXIX (230569) | about 12 years ago | (#4228925)

I just won't buy it then. We'll both be happy.

Don't worry! It's opt-in! Everything will be OK! (2)

Ride-My-Rocket (96935) | about 12 years ago | (#4228931)

Not. Thanks, but no thanks -- I have final say over what my box can or can't do. Assuming AMD doesn't go this route, they'll be picking up my business when the time comes.

Is there any indication that AMD won't followsuit? (1)

Shnarf (606784) | about 12 years ago | (#4228937)

I understand the desire to avoid forced-DRM like the plague, but who is to day that AMD won't pile on to the "secure computing" bandwagon?

Who cares? (2, Informative)

stevew (4845) | about 12 years ago | (#4228944)

Look folks - if you are reading Slashdot, then the odds are REALLY good that you run an alternate OS like Linux. Did you note it's a MS DRM technology??? That means poor folks running MS code will be subject to it - not people intelligently choosing to run Linux, etc. ;-)

MS users - have a nice day - if you can!

Re:Who cares? (0, Insightful)

sucko (257144) | about 12 years ago | (#4229004)

the grand majority of hits to slashdot come form windows machines.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229064)

I come from a windows machine because I have to be able to open office documents. I SSH out to linux 99% of the the time i'm using the computer.

Re:Who cares? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229041)

It's only a matter of time before Linux developers feel the draw of the almighty dollar. You don't really think Intel did this out of altruisticness, did you?

Re:Who cares? (3, Insightful)

teamhasnoi (554944) | about 12 years ago | (#4229049)

if you are reading Slashdot, then the odds are REALLY good that you run an alternate OS like Linux.

You might want to look at the poll today. At this time only 34% are Linux users and 47% are using 95 thru XP.

Besides, eventually Linux will not be 'allowed' to run on this processor. So you *better* care.

Re:Who cares? (5, Insightful)

Lendrick (314723) | about 12 years ago | (#4229082)

First off, the odds, according to today's poll, are about 30%.

That said, this affects everyone. Mind you, I'm told that Palladium will always be able to be shut off via the BIOS, so you can always buy a Palladium-enabled processor and make it act as if it isn't. That's not the problem, really.

The problem is that Palladium is hardware-embedded Digital Rights Denial. It's paving the way for music and movies that won't play at all unless you have a Palladium-enabled processor. And if you do enable Palladium, you'll be subject to the same restrictive crap that the media cartels have been trying unsuccessfully to push over the last several years. Movies that you can't move to other computers, and that only work as long as you remain subscribed to or wherever your got them.

Will this all work out in the long run? Well, it depends on how people react. If they continue to reject hightly restricted content, we should be fine. If not, well, say goodbye to the Open Internet. It was fun while it lasted.

Point/Counterpoint (3, Insightful)

limekiller4 (451497) | about 12 years ago | (#4228947)

I think that the obvious reaction for the average Slashdotter will be (a) there will always be someone putting out non-DRM hardware (perhaps) and (b) I'll be able to use my current 2.5Ghz hardware for a loooooong time before it's "slow" (gamers obviously do not fit in here). This assumes that two things will not occur:

The vast majority of people (read; the EULA oblivious) will not adopt it anyway and;

Microsoft will not make it impossible to talk to untrusted machines.

I won't draw any conclusions from this and I won't talk about how the world is going to hell in a digital handbasket, but it's food for thought.

Re:Point/Counterpoint (2)

digitalsushi (137809) | about 12 years ago | (#4229107)

I'll be able to use my current 2.5Ghz hardware for a loooooong time before it's "slow"

I have over 800 cans of tomato soup in the lead lined bomb shelter underneath my house. I can eat those for a loooooong time. Think I'd hit can 800 before opening the bulkhead?

Put on your tinfoil hat!! (-1)

FortKnox (169099) | about 12 years ago | (#4228955)

One thing needs to be said.

You're freaking out on a commercial product!

Its not like the government is pushing palladium on you. You don't need to buy it! Why are you putting this under 'yro'? It has nothing to do with your rights... at all.

You HAVE the right to choose an OS. Don't like Palladium? Run Linux, *nix, *BSD, OSX. Voila, problem solved.

Mod up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4228996)

Mod this up. If we don't buy it, it won't sell.

Re:Put on your tinfoil hat!! (2)

Telastyn (206146) | about 12 years ago | (#4229014)

No, but the government is allowing a known monopolist to force other companies into restricting our rights, or more accurately trying to force consumers into less control of products they've rightfully purchased (not even licensed in this case either)

Re:Put on your tinfoil hat!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229100)

WTF are you smoking?

Microsoft made a new technology, DRM. Illegal? Nope, they can develop practically anything.
They introduce it to chip makers, not 'forcing them to use it'. Illegal? Nope, they can say anything non-threatening to chip makers.
Chip makers, not wanting to lose to the other chip makers decide to adopt the new technology. Illegal? Nope.

Now what can the government do?


Re:Put on your tinfoil hat!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229061)

Time to cast your vote, you'll find your ballot in your wallet: it's the little slip of paper with the " $ " symbol and the picture of a dead president (or prime minister if u are in canada ;)

Re:Put on your tinfoil hat!! (2)

interiot (50685) | about 12 years ago | (#4229079)

Governments wouldn't have to exist unless there were some cases where a few individuals are able to unfairly strong-arm the rest of the population into doing their bidding.

In this case, the masses are stupid enough to accept DRM-enabled machines for the tradeoff that they get to view some neat-o movie clips on their computer. The masses have some culpability in this, but one could argue that this is one place where the government should step in and prevent a few companies from greatly changing the landscape of information exchange in a way that only benefits a few.

Re:Put on your tinfoil hat!! (2, Insightful)

Dalcius (587481) | about 12 years ago | (#4229086)

Damn, how you never cease to amaze me, Knox. =)

Just because we're not required to use it doesn't mean it won't do anything. When Microsoft controls 95% of the desktop market, and they're regulating those desktops, that gives them a lot of power. And they've proven that they'll stoop low to push out competition.

I won't go any further than that, it would be speculation, but don't tell me that because we're not forced into buying it that it doesn't affect us.

That also doesn't take into account the wonderful people in Congress who are looking at the TCPA as law.

Re:Put on your tinfoil hat!! (1)

Mithal (557702) | about 12 years ago | (#4229104)

The problem with Palladium that I forsee is NOT that I'm going to be forced to use it.

I'm afraid it's going to stop innovation (or the use of new, innovative products).

the same issue came up with the pIII (5, Interesting)

Luke Skyewalker (585866) | about 12 years ago | (#4228956)

or does anyone remember that far back? the pentium III processor architecture was going to allow a special hardware code to be embedded on each processor, unique to each machine so that web transactions would be safer.

however, due to the public backlash about having "big brother" track what their computers were doing, they allowed users to disable that hardware code from being detected.

the hardcoded serial on those pentium III were just a precursor to palladium, however. think of it more of a proof of concept that such a device would work. intel was always heading toward palladium.

Re:the same issue came up with the pIII (1)

krugg234 (598214) | about 12 years ago | (#4229102)

There seems to me to still be a difference between the serial numbers which were mostly going to track info and Palladium, which will limit fair rights use. Serial numbers are an invasion of privacy issue. Palladium seems to further restrict a user of his or her rights. I'm against both, and hopefully Intel will back off on Palladium like they did with the serial numbers, but somehow this Palladium thing seems worse.

No geek apeal (2)

ehiris (214677) | about 12 years ago | (#4228959)

The system has a personal information sharing agent called "My Man."

If they want hacker followers they should call the personal information sharing agent "My Women"

Everyone Should Read This (5, Informative)

futuresheep (531366) | about 12 years ago | (#4228960)

This is the most comprehensive read on Palladium available. Forward it to family and friends.

Good link to read (1)

ogre2112 (134836) | about 12 years ago | (#4229114)

Thank you for the link, it spelled things out in clear terms.

Oh well (2)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | about 12 years ago | (#4228961)

I use AMD processors anyways. (And yes, I did see somebody's post above that said AMD has agreed to support Pallidium already, I just hope they are smart and change their minds)

But this does raise an interesting question: Does Windows XP already have these types of systems in it, and the processor support will make it come to life?

just incase you needed a reason (1)

dextr0us (565556) | about 12 years ago | (#4228962)

I know that amd probably will end up supporting DRM, but just incase you needed another reason to hate intel here it is.

if the performance issues werent a problem in your mind, and you love paying more, then stick with intel.=)

VIA CPUs? (1)

hirschma (187820) | about 12 years ago | (#4228968)

Perhaps VIA is smart enough to start pumping out "free" CPUs.

Hello Kitten by Hefner (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4228972)

Hello kitten I don't miss sex just the feeling of skin against skin that I want,

The photos I take are not the photos I like, they look dull, they look crap when placed next to real life,

You have a blue iris with a hint of burnt of sienna and it wrestles my hate to the ground,

You have inquisitive eyebrows that make me soft centred and your lips make a purring sound.

I'm going to make myself go blind tonight,

I'm going to make myself go blind tonight,

I'm going to build a shrine to the wasted days,

I'm going to make myself go blind tonight.

Hello kitten, you'll never know what it's like to be me when I'm curled at your feet,

I thought you were perfect but that racist joke just made it all bitter sweet.

Won't you slap me around and make my lips a bit swollen so we can spend a day off work,

Won't you cut up my arm and lock it in a suitcase, cause love is coming in spurts, I'm so fucking happy it hurts.

25 Million Mac users stand up and applaud (5, Insightful)

gsfprez (27403) | about 12 years ago | (#4228975)

Intel and Microsoft, between Windows Media Center and the forthcoming Palladium might as well just tack on "if you don't want all this crap, please see" at the end of each ad.

While i've been telling my Windows colleagues that this was coming - none of them believed.

And now - bonus - XP.5 and Intel both, in the same week - prove me right.

God.. its good to buy from the "most dangerous company to Intellectual Property today"

Re:25 Million Mac users stand up and applaud (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229016)

An how do you know Apple won't eventually want "in" too?

Re:25 Million Mac users stand up and applaud (4, Interesting)

Telastyn (206146) | about 12 years ago | (#4229132)

Though if Office stays part of microsoft, they might not be too pleased that Mac's don't support DRM, and might be inclined to pull Office from the Mac.

Maybe not a big deal, but to me (someone pondering buying a mac) that's one of the big things seperating OSX and other *nix. Perhaps I've just not used it enough.

I'm glad Slashdot is on the web... (1, Funny)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | about 12 years ago | (#4228979)

...because if all the tin-foil hats that this story will draw were in one physical place, it would draw a lightning strike so huge that it would wipe everyone out in one fell swoop.

I leave it as an exercise to the reader as to what percentage of Slashdot readership would be left.

Re:I'm glad Slashdot is on the web... (1)

1000StonedMonkeys (593519) | about 12 years ago | (#4229076)

...because if all the tin-foil hats that this story will draw were in one physical place, it would draw a lightning strike so huge that it would wipe everyone out in one fell swoop.

Wouldn't that be a good thing though?

Was there, tried that... (2)

symbolic (11752) | about 12 years ago | (#4228982)

According to the link in my sig, Intel has a knack for attempting product 'innovations' that aren't very consumer-friendly. My what short memories people have - this is what the Intel CPUID debacle was all about. Now they're going after it again, only under a more righteous-sounding moniker: "Palladium". It sounds like a place you'd go on Friday nights to have fun, but I suspect that fun is the last thing that will come of this mess.

Well what if AMD... (1, Funny)

PovRayMan (31900) | about 12 years ago | (#4228983)

What if AMD starts putting in DRM too?

I guess we'll have to move over to the Mac...

Then if the Mac adapts it...

We'll have to go outside! :-(

AMD will do whatever MS says (5, Insightful)

exhilaration (587191) | about 12 years ago | (#4228988)

Did you guys forget AMD's CEO testifying on behalf of Microsoft in their antitrust case?

Did you guys forget the rumors that Microsoft's support of X86-64 was due to AMD standing behind them?

If Intel is doing this, AMD will be right behind them. They'll do anything to preserve their relationship with Microsoft.

Don't get me wrong, I love AMD, but they're just as corporate as the rest of the semiconductor industry.

No AMD for me as well (2, Insightful)

dusanv (256645) | about 12 years ago | (#4228993)

AMD, here I come

I don't think you'll find much comfort in AMD. They are in that DRM working group with MS & Intel. They are also much more eagar to suck up to MS. Their ex-CEO Jerry Whatever said something like: "Wake up, MS has won. I ain't supporting Linux.." in that interview a couple of months ago (it was posted here). I think more appropriate response is: VIA/Apple here I come!

Can't this be turned off? (2, Insightful)

Roached (84015) | about 12 years ago | (#4228998)

I had thought that this "feature" was able to be disabled in the BIOS. If that were the case, the rest of this problem is a software crack and then DRM isn't an issue. Am I wrong about the simplicity of this?

Time to email again... (2)

wildcard023 (184139) | about 12 years ago | (#4229000)

Remember what happened with the cpuID thing?

I plan on sending out 2 emails, one to Intel and one to AMD. They will state that I will buy whichever processor has the same support to turn this OFF in the bios that the cpuID had and if neither of them do this, I will move to only Mac's.

Now, I don't usually get all email-y/petition-y about this kind of thing, but it's worked before. We're the consumers here. Let's tell the manufacturers what -we- want.

Any responses I get will be posted on the web for all to read.


MS to make hardware based Security? (1)

crweb (178418) | about 12 years ago | (#4229002)

How can a company that can't keep a little 13 year old from cause havic on systems even fathom that they can develope the ultimate security system? Regardless if it is software or hardware based, It is not a possibility.

What about Transmeta (2, Interesting)

mocm (141920) | about 12 years ago | (#4229003)

Would Transmeta have to emulate the DRM components of the Intel CPUs and will it be effective since it will be in software?

AMD? (1)

RickHunter (103108) | about 12 years ago | (#4229005)

Do you really thing AMD's going to be allowed to continue producing CPUs without Digital Rights Restriction technology? Or that, if they do, they won't immediately be shoved out of the market by Microsoft dropping all support for their processors?

Looks to me like Intel and Microsoft have been looking for ways to get back to the old Wintel monopoly for some time now. And this time, they just might have found it.

Lets home AMD somehow survives. Or that Apple doesn't give in to the push for DRR technology. It seems to be the only hope for the survival and future progress of generic computing devices in America.

MS Vs AMD? (1)

phorm (591458) | about 12 years ago | (#4229098)

Microsoft dropping all support for their processors
And anybody with an AMD processor suddenly can't use windows. So all the AMD users can't buy windows. So MS loses the AMD Market Share
No, I don't think this would happen. MS may be big and still able to make cash on other chipmakers, but AMD is big enough that dropping support for their processors would still lose them a crapload of money (and Microsoft, as with any big corp, DOES Love money).

Anyone using Intel (1)

Krueger Industrial S (606936) | about 12 years ago | (#4229006)

is an idiot anyway. Even if AMD goes the same route, existing non-DRM processors and operating systems will serve most people's needs for many years to come. By then Linux may be a usable alternative.

CPU serial numbers (1)

gstevens (209321) | about 12 years ago | (#4229013)

Anyone remember the CPU serial numbers on the P3? Oh yeah, that really took off.....

It sounds like this may be the same.

Three words for Intel (1)

phorm (591458) | about 12 years ago | (#4229019)

Foot... aim... shoot

And for those that actually accept using Intel DRM processors, 4 words...
Pants down... bend over... here comes Microsoft and Intel!

Re:Three words for Intel (2)

Lxy (80823) | about 12 years ago | (#4229127)

4 words...
Pants down... bend over... here comes Microsoft and Intel!

That was 9 words, dude.

Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229023)

What's the big whoop about? MS has to do something about all the holes in Outlook/their OS, maybe this will fix some of them. And who cares if it has an encrypted folder on you machine with personal info in it. It will only have what you put in it, which probably won't be much.

It's not like anyone's anonymous on the internet anyway.

i'm safe (1)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | about 12 years ago | (#4229034)

yup ... now when my co-workers goof on me for being a [ultra]sparc nut, i can shoot right back at 'em

what a crock of shit. i wonder if any congressperson with a clue will catch on to this nonsense.

overhead (2, Insightful)

jeepee (607566) | about 12 years ago | (#4229036)

im curious about the processor/memory overhead that will be associated with palladium.... bored about that microsoft take more and more processor power with each of their os version..... i mean my freebsd can even run on a toaster :-)

Time to bug out! (3, Insightful)

davecl (233127) | about 12 years ago | (#4229037)

All the more reason to stop using the Wintel platform (or should that be wintelamd now?).

This will only encourage my move towards Apple stuff - or Motorola and IBM announced hardware DRM as well?

Chances are you will be able to turn it off (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229038)

There'll probably be an option, hidden or not, in the bios to turn the feature off (the same way as there is an option in nearly all DVDs to turn region checking off). Either that, or it will be the OS the one that decides wether to use DRM or not. In that case... Linux, here I come ;) (oh bum, I'm already there)

anyone noticed (2, Funny)

hummer357 (545850) | about 12 years ago | (#4229039)

anyone noticed that there's a "personal information agent" mentioned that is called "My Man"???

shouldn't that be "The Man"?
or "Bill's The Man"?

or maybe even "All your privacy are belong to us Man"?


More like.. (1)

Lysol (11150) | about 12 years ago | (#4229058)

VIA here I come. Unless, of course, they support it. Then we're really screwed. Maybe Transmeta? Maybe the dream is just dying all together? :(

Palladium (1)

Hamster Of Death (413544) | about 12 years ago | (#4229087)

It's rather sad to see that the corporations are restricting the usefulness of computers and turning them all into money making tools for their profit.

Last time I looked computers were supposed to be a tool to complete a job, not a cash cow for . When will the public realize this and start reacting accordingly?

SPARC, here I come (1)

joncarwash (600744) | about 12 years ago | (#4229090)

Looks like our only choice might be to turn to Sun for the answer. SPARC Linux []

here I come.

The future, viruses, and adoption (2, Insightful)

Arakonfap (454732) | about 12 years ago | (#4229096)

First, I think the first virus that somehow manages to protect itself from an antivirus program will show that this scheme is unworkable.

Also, I think the adoption rate of people Using this will be low. I know MS will want everyone to run only certified and signed code - but will a critical mass of companies actually agree to (pay?) MS 'approving' there software? And how is this going to work with security breaches in software? What if a piece of software is found to be exploitable, and hijacked into spreading viruses?

I don't think enough software will be signed to allow the average user to only run signed software.

Also, ppl like to own things they purchase. Video On Demand is an interesting idea, but there are lots of problems that keep people away from it. Worries about losing the connection, a crash and having to reboot (and losing the 2$ spent to do it), watching things on a computer screen, archiving, connection speed problems.. the list goes on, and when you add in the whole DRM stuff, it's a lot less attractive..

So I don't see enough people trying to get content that will rely on this feature either.

All in all I think it will kill itself - though I admit to still being worried it succeeds. The possible bad future is too severe to be ignored.

Please speculate, all y'all... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229106)

First, assume that enough of these machines find their way into the world. At what point (/year) will the stars (political and otherwise) be aligned properly such that MS is the *only* way, period? More specifically, at what point will their machines *not* talk to untrusted machines?

hello apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229108)

i was planning on making the switch anyway. now i have even more incentive.

Soon it will be required by all CPU's anyway (1)

nurb432 (527695) | about 12 years ago | (#4229109)

Moving to AMD ( or other ) is just a short term thing.. eventually all our legal hardware will require the damned stuff.

Conversion Time (1)

DaytonCIM (100144) | about 12 years ago | (#4229115)

At least they gave us notice of their intent... gives me time to un-install XP and run Linux solely. And time to save up for that new Mac I'll be buying come Christmas. :)

options (1)

pizza_milkshake (580452) | about 12 years ago | (#4229119)

remember the GUID that was switch "on" by default in the P3 chips? the public response was so bad, Intel turned the default to "off" and no one heard any more about them.

as long as you let Intel know what you think, i think everything will turn out ok. remember: their #1 concern is making money, so if enough people are made aware of the crap they're trying to pull, things should turn out ok.

and if not, I forsee high-end Athlon XPs and/or P4's in my future until i see a decent alternative.

one question i do have is: what impact will Palladium have on non-windows users?

Y'all are PARANOID. (2)

Wakko Warner (324) | about 12 years ago | (#4229126)

So, Intel includes digital rights management in their chips. And Microsoft includes it in the OS. What's the big deal? Where do you get most of your MP3s from, anyway? Your DIvX movies? Your pr0n? I'm sure you don't purchase it. Pirated stuff is always going to be DRM-free.

Don't worry about it. All DRM is defeatable, and it's MUCH better than the alternative (unrippable CDs, anyone?)

- A.P.

You're all paranoid... (0, Flamebait)

fudgefactor7 (581449) | about 12 years ago | (#4229133)

This is not a big deal. The only people who have to fear this are those who are doing illegal activities. Are you all succumbing to your own brand of FUD? Don't inject "info" into the documents, and don't let your personal "beliefs" cloud truth.

*sigh* (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4229138)

AMD == DRM. You'll find no comfort there.

On the plus side of this, I can now drop my moral objections to Intel processors and buy chips that won't fry my hand if I touch them after a hard day of computing. AMD is now no better than Intel, it would seem.

But, on the topic of DRM, who cares? I somehow doubt Linus will suddenly insist DRM be supported in the kernel. If he does, I'd dare the fact that he isn't actually Linus, but some replicant from Redmond, Washington.

So, who cares? Linux suits my needs now. Win 98 supports my needs, and if I'm still addicted to/if EverCrack is still around by the time MS drops support for Win 98, well, I can move up to Win 2k.

By the time Win 2k goes down the hole, I'd imagine I won't be too enthusiastic about EverCrack anymore. ;)

Now, about the paranoia that everyone must use DRM or be locked up. These people are obviously wearing tinfoil hats. These are corporations pushing DRM, not governments, as a previous poster pointed out.

However, we should heed their warnings about DRM and the fact that Bill Gates is an alien.

You heard me. Why?

Look at the Microsoft Anti-Trust trial. They were convicted of being a monopoly. They still haven't been punished.

Think Microsoft can't buy laws requiring DRM?

Think again.

Even if they do, we'd still be able to use old hardware, true. But we all know geeks, and we all know the virtual penis size that's measured in gigahertz and terabytes.
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