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HP Labs Creates Densest Memory Chips To Date

timothy posted more than 12 years ago | from the gigglebytes dept.

Technology 154

Ruger writes "CRN has this article about memory circuits 10 times more dense than today's silicon chips. R. Stanley Williams, director of Quantum Science Research at HP Labs said the high-density memory his team created fits inside a square micron. That's so small that 1,000 of the circuits could fit on the end of a strand of human hair."

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and i.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231803)

have created the most densest post

i love you all..

fuck you goes out to all the disrespectful shitheads out there

Pore little Mac users... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231829)

...pore, pore dudes. While you had your hands down each others pants, the guys who actually know something about computers have been using Linux.

*yawn* (-1)

Salad Shooter (600065) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231905)

fuck you whorebag.

Re:and i.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232167)

bought a fat java book
With the exception of standards documents (which are not intended to be read by many people anyway), and without wishing to insult you, I must say that fat books suck. The fatter, the worse, with few exceptions. They tend to be written quickly, by non-experts, and tend to be poorly designed. It's no coincidence that the fat books tend to come from the same companies, who specialize in fleecing the book-buying public.
My favorite Java book is The Java Programming Language by Gosling, et al. [amazon.com] The first edition [amazon.com] was actually short at 373 pages. With the continual enlargement of the Java libraries, it's now getting a little hefty, but the text of the book is still only about 625 pages, plus a long index. It's a highly correct and beautifully designed book. It's an Addison Wesley book; they have good taste in selecting writers and book designers.

Prepare for War! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232256)

Are you prepared to die for your rights and freedom?

Are you prepared to kill?

September 11th marks a turning point in history. The day the islamic world showed its true face. The terror of that fateful day need not be recalled here, for there are far worthier media outlets that can stage a fitting tribute to the fallen. But the repercussions of this event have been felt for the past 365 days.

Notice how you don't feel as secure as you did in employment. Notice how suddenly your salary doesn't stretch as far as it used to? Notice the lump tightening in your gut every time you see an islamic walking freely.

Now ask yourself? Have you let the terrorists win?

They are laughing at us. The whole islamic world is laughing at us. They will be in our streets tomorrow, cheering and celebrating the act of mass murder. Why are they permitted to support acts of barbarism?

Why? Because we live in a Free Country. Yet, paradoxically, it is our freedom which offends the islamic the most. They know fine well that in their barbaric despotisms they would not be permitted ANY means of protest against the goverment. Yet, not only are they free to protest, to burn our flag, but they are nigh on ENCOURAGED to do so by the liberal media.

Switch on your television set tomorrow. You'll see them. The liberals. Plump and fat with the rich pickings of their well-fed middle class white heritage, they shall be bleating that somehow, it's all America's fault. That America is a nation forged from genocide, that the numbers of children killed in Iraq and Afghanistan far outweigh the tiny little statistic of the World Trade Centre murders. Making us feel guilty for the privledge of being noble-hearted Americans. Denying our nation the opportunity to mourn.

We face a twin pronged attack. The liberal media, forever assaulting the values we hold dear, and the islamic menace. A permanent threat that has been allowed to continue far too long.

Understand that for an islamic, the idea that a non-islamic should be permitted to live in peace is HERESY. Like any good brain-washing cult, islamics are indoctrinated from birth and are forced to remember every verse in their "Terrorist's Handbook", the Koran. Without recourse to other treatises on morality, is it any wonder that islamics have degenerated to the point of raw animal savagery?

As long as islamics are tolerated in decent society, there will always be terrorism. They want to see this 'decent society' destroyed from within. Notice how, although islamic culture is supposed to be a 'paradise', these animals cannot WAIT to get out of their own countries and into Western civilization.

Why is this? Surely, it is a core belief of islam that a muslim should offer shelter to their fellow muslim. So, why is Europe infested with the black cancer of 'asylum seekers'? The answer is simple. Asylum seekers are an invasion force. Entering decent countries and tearing them apart from within. Demanding to be treated with more privledge than the native population. Clogging up government services and squandering taxpayers money without offering anything back to the society they force to become their home. Other than an increase in crime rates, of course.

Surely a western government is in place "For the people"? Ask ANY European Citizen whether they want asylum resettlement centres in their towns, and you'll recieve a unanimous "Non". So why is THIS invasion tolerated?

Socialism! Successive socialist goverments in Europe have allowed the islamic cancer to spread unchecked. This is why, even though islam is a religion, and not a skin colour, every muslim knows how to cry "racist" whenever they are asked to behave like a human being.

For a 'just' and 'tolerant' religion, it is shocking to see how quickly islamic settlement areas degenerate into high crime zones, where the rest of society; be they white, chinese, hindu, sikh, whatever; fears to walk. There are areas of all our inner cities which operate under strict Sharia law in all but name. Gangs of muslim youths roam freely, each one of them a mini Bin Laden.

This is the army which we must face. Together, not as whites, or purebreed aryans, or any of that bullshit, but as AMERICANS, we must stand together. For even the most liberal of human beings knows, in their heart, that islam poses a threat to the very foundation of our existance.

We have guns. We need to use them before further liberalism pries them from our grasps. Because we know that THEY have guns as well. And they are just waiting for the call from their Terrorist Training Camps (mosques) to begin the holy jihad. And it will be the blood of our families, our beloved ones, that will be spilled if we don't act. We must act soon and decisively. Entering the muslim-held areas en masse and eliminating their foul subhuman breed for good. For once our country is purged, and no more islamics are permitted entry, we know we shall be steadfast on the road to security.

The muslim's heart craves war, and on September 11th 2001 they chose to bring the battle onto the streets of America.

September 11th 2002 shall be the day we fight back. Our new Independance Day.

I ask you now, if any word of this diatribe strikes a chord in your heart, PLEASE post it on. Usenet. Online forums. Wherever. Because, despite decades of liberal propaganda, you know that every word said is forged from the cold, harsh flame of truth.

You may not have gotten first post (-1)

TheSpoogeAwards (589343) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232343)

but you sure did get Best Post. I salute you!

Re:Prepare for War! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232441)

Generalize much?

too much? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231804)

how much is too much? jeez! BTW, 1st post.

Re:too much? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231824)

try 2nd.. you have to beat me to get first.. suckah MC

First post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231810)

You smell so good.

A single strand of hair (3, Insightful)

addps4cat (216499) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231812)

Once again they use "a single strand of hair" as some sort of SI unit. Something isn't small until you tell someone how many you can fit on a strand of hair.

- phranck@nycap.rr.com

Re:A single strand of hair (5, Insightful)

sh4de (93527) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231854)

The obvious derivative unit for memory density would then be libraries of congress per strand of hair.

Humour aside, I think it's the marketing department again that thought people wouldn't grok units that look like bits per square micron.

That sort of unit isn't immediately accessible to most people, but messing with highly inaccurate, almost metaphorical, made-up units ain't gonna make it any better.

(My two bits per strand of hair)

Re:A single strand of hair (3, Insightful)

Quikah (14419) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231997)

Oh come on, most people DON'T grok how small a micron is. It makes perfect sense to relate it to something which people can see and touch. It really makes no sense to criticize making something a little more understandable to lay people. It is an AP story, not a research paper.

Re:A single strand of hair (2)

AJWM (19027) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232113)

Quick, somebody add both of those to the units(1) database.

You have: libraryofcongress/strandofhair
You want: bits/micron^2

Re:A single strand of hair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232120)

This reminds of Billions and Billions the Carl Sagan book. I doubt most people who know what a micron is and how it relates to other units of measurement really have any concept of how small a micron is unless they have actually looked at something in comparison and then figured the difference between the two.. even if it's the next unit of measurement up. For those of us who haven't done this comparison a human hair, pin head or any other small object is a good object for to compare since most people have seen hair or a pin head.

Re:A single strand of hair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232135)

What are you talking about? TNT: huge card. Dual pipes, massive fill. TNT2: mostly a speed bump. Geforce256: huge card. Hardware T&L, massive throughput. Geoforce2: mostly a speed bump. Geforce3: huge card. Programmability, greatest rendering flexibility ever. XBox: huge. Far more power than the competition. Geforce4: mostly a speed bump. Geforce4MX: marketing speak. ATI R300: huge card. NV30: ???
NVidia's small gap is the one between the new card and the speed bumped version. They have created a large gap in every new product generation for years, with an enormous marketplace win every time. What happened here is that ATI stole a march by skipping the R8500 speed bump and executing beautifully on their next full generation. No reason to think, though, that NVidia won't deliver another killer leading product on their next iteration.

Re:A single strand of hair (2)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231872)

and don't forget head of a pin, pins come in a lot fo sizes, and so do hairs, i could fit a lot more whatevers on a strand of my hair (very thick) than on my girlfriends (very thin)

Re:A single strand of hair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232102)

I'm not so sure about that. I've sure put alot of stuff on your girlfriend's hair.

Re:A single strand of hair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232146)

You have a girlfriend? What are you doing here?

Re:A single strand of hair (2)

ottffssent (18387) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231989)

I've got thick hair - does that mean my computer will run faster?

A single strand of hair - That's real progress (2)

hillct (230132) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231993)

A strand of hair means definate prof pf progress. Remember when they used to talk about how many of something they could fit on the head of a pin? A strand of hair is real progress, after all, how many strands of human hair can fit on the head of a pin?

--CTH

Re:A single strand of hair (1)

vadim_t (324782) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232097)

I'm really surprised by the amount of these strange units. For some reason this is quite common:

Small things are compared with strands of hair
Data storage capacity is compared to the library of congress (which I've never seen and have no idea of how big is it)
Asteroids are compared with Texas

How long until fast events are compared to the time it takes to blink?

Re:A single strand of hair (1)

krenshala (178676) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232369)

I suppose short amounts of time could be compaired to 'New York Minutes'. A NY Minute is the time between when the light turns green and the taxi driver behind you hits his horn to get you to move. ;)

Re:A single strand of hair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232106)

Whose hair? Some people have thicker hair than others. And what about beard hairs? They tend to be quite thick. Do they count?

Re:A single strand of hair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232111)

A strand of hair is 1/84 of an inch.

Re:A single strand of hair (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232182)

Is that a metric hair or an imperial hair?

Re:A single strand of hair (2)

Angst Badger (8636) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232151)

Well, of course. "A single strand of hair" represents the extreme low end of the general public's scale of measurements, with the previously mentioned Standard Texas Unit as the high end. Now, the question of how many strands of hair it takes to be the size of Texas remains unresolved...

Re:A single strand of hair (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232219)

remember, if you cut Alaska in half, Texas would be the third largest state.

Re:A single strand of hair (2)

spongman (182339) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232242)

EETimes [eetimes.com] has a much better article [eetimes.com] with actual measurements and more technical info.

Hmmm. The article appears to be missing (1, Informative)

azav (469988) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231813)

ADODB.Field
error '800a0bcd'

Either BOF or EOF is True, or the current record has been deleted; the operation requested by the application requires a current record. /sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp, line 131

Re:Hmmm. The article appears to be missing (4, Funny)

GMontag (42283) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231937)

Either BOF or EOF is True, or the current record has been deleted; the operation requested by the application requires a current record./sections/BreakingNews/breakingnews.asp, line 131

Naaa, the hair their memory was installed on is blonde ;-)

Re:Hmmm. The article appears to be missing (1)

hendridm (302246) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231968)

Why did this notification of Slashdotting get modded up?

Re:Hmmm. The article appears to be missing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232035)

Because the mind of a moderator is almost as wide as a human hair.

They have as much of a clue as your sig.

hope their resumes are ready (2, Insightful)

garyrich (30652) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231814)

I thought Carly and the honchos from Compaq were killing all hardware level design work. This may be the last hurrah from HP Labs.

Nth post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231816)

When are the genetics boys going to take over this conversation?

Huh? (5, Funny)

Golias (176380) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231817)

Why do the guys at HP labs want to date memory chips?

Oh wait... never mind.

Re:Huh? (2)

Dr Caleb (121505) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231957)

I just wondered why they wanted to date really stupid ones.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232169)

The strand of human hair must be blonde.

dense (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231828)

Condensed stupidity...

Had to point this out: (0, Troll)

Warmth Is Life (569686) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231834)

The word densest [dictionary.com] does NOT mean "most dense".

Re:Had to point this out: (2)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231851)

Actually, it does - Dictionary.com takes of -est and -er for the purposes of giving a definition (as everyone should know what -est and -er do to a word). Note that it says it found "dense" as the entry.

Re:Had to point this out: (-1, Redundant)

Warmth Is Life (569686) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231857)

OR DOES IT?

fit on the end of a strand of human hair... (0, Offtopic)

jcapell (144056) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231840)

*yawn*

Isn't this [improb.com] infinitely more interesting?

Sure, mod me offtopic. But please, post something INTERESTING on slash occasionally, ok?

A spam filter that works. Problem Solved.

Re:fit on the end of a strand of human hair... (2)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231901)

It'd be interesting if it wasn't a joke... Whilst Slashdot's journalism is often a joke, that doesn't mean they post them intentionally ;-)

Re:fit on the end of a strand of human hair... (1)

Arcturax (454188) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232115)

Quite amusing, though from the page I gather it is a joke. I hope Scientology took the mention of Hubbard seriously and tried to quickly copyright his hair in case it contained any OT stuff they didn't know about yet. The thought of them wasting time and money on a joke like this amuses me to no end.

Don't worry about a few down mods for this. There are some people who simply can't mod worth shit and mod people down because they disagree with them or because they were too thick to get a joke.

When I get points I no longer mod down anymore. If someone posts sick stories, links or ascii art swastikas, I let the editors take care of it. Instead I save my points to mod up worthy posts or thing that are particularly funny. I only wish more people held to that philosophy when modding.

I will say though that this topic is still interesting, as it means RAM chips the size of late 90's hard disks. Will make me wish Apple would bring back the RAM disk feature in the next release of OS X.

Still trying to get my mind around this... (4, Funny)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231845)

Can someone put this in terms that make sense for a normal person?
How many Libraries of Congress would fit in a ponytail?

Re:Still trying to get my mind around this... (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231998)

.01 goobzwqs worth

I am being unintelligable in many languages! (0)

Thud457 (234763) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232081)

fhqwhgads [memepool.com] , is that you?

HP Labs Creates Densest Memory Chips To Date (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231847)

Jornalshnizms-101

Oh Grammar Nazi, where art though?

May all with baddest and worsted english of all be strikest down to his dugged and deepest grave of most stinkiest poo.

Getting Annoying... (2, Troll)

avalys (221114) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231864)

Has anyone noticed that we are constantly being deluged with a slew of new technologies/products/techniques, but very rarely do we actually hear of a new product being released that is based on one of the aforementioned technologies?

Re:Getting Annoying... (1)

DonkeyJimmy (599788) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231962)

but very rarely do we actually hear of a new product being released that is based on one of the aforementioned technologies

elsewhere:

Still, the technology is at least five years from being commercially available, Williams said.

Are you gonna remember this in 5 years? These technologies are effecting us every day, but they just happen to be the ones we thought were cool 5 years ago, and seem like just another computer component today.

Getting Annoying... (2)

mblase (200735) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231977)

Well, just today, Slashdot posted an article about a forthcoming 320GB hard drive [slashdot.org] using, gosh darnit, aforementioned technologies. Is that good enough for you?

Read the article, man. They expect it to take five years for this technology to produce something you can buy at the store. By then you'll have forgotten about this story completely, and your illusion of ideas never producing products will be preserved.

Re:Getting Annoying... (2)

avalys (221114) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232139)

Sorry - I guess what I said didn't express the point I wanted to make.

What I was trying to say was that whenever we hear a new product being announced, we don't hear 'This new hard drive is based on the super-magna-store technology we developed three years ago'. We just hear 'New Product! Increased capacity/speed/resolution/etc!'

Re:Getting Annoying... (2, Interesting)

DeadMoose (518744) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232226)

Maybe because a press release saying:

"We've got a hot new product based on bleeding-edge technology!"

sounds a little better than:

"We've got a hot new product, based on technology that we proved physically possible three years ago ago, and have only now managed to make commercially feasable!"

screw HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231865)


They fired Bruce - the bastards.

Re:screw HP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232382)

carly is the most dense thing going at HP..

Why? (1)

sjonke (457707) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231876)

Just how small does your 640 KB of RAM need to be?

m$ is teh suxor! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232170)

rofl!

micro$oft jokes are +5 Funny!

retard.

Well it makes sense, (0, Offtopic)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231877)

they already have the densest management.

Improvement (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231880)

So by this I can infer that denser=
a) Higher capacity, fits more into less space
b) Increased retention, memory doesn't blank when power is lost
c) Cheaper, costs less to produce
d) Size. Could fit the same capacity in a smaller space
-How about speed? Is this fast RAM or does density increase latency?
-If it fits into the size of a human hair, could this technology be used to develop really tiny monitoring devices or other PC hardware?

Mr. Bond, I'm afraid your hair is bugged, how does a buzz-cut sound... - phorm

In Other News... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231884)

OSDN created the densest linux user to date.

Butter! (3, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231904)

And the success rate for the manufacturing process was only about 20 percent. The biggest challenge was sticking -- something anyone who has fried an egg can understand.

"When we peeled the mold off, we had a material, or parts of the circuit, just literally pull away," he said. "That's a problem we have to address and improve in our processing."

The answer to sticky memory circuits is clearly to use butter, lots of butter. Hey, it works for the eggs and the guy said it was compareable...

Black (memory)hole (3, Funny)

jukal (523582) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231924)

This is alarming! If they continue making progress at current late, it will take only aproximately 42 years until they have created a memory chip so dense, that no bytes can escape, infact the chip sinks through the fabric of space-time. Any data within 42 square kilometers will be suck in through the event horizon. The only escape from being drawn inside is growing a big head, since the Schwarzschild radius is aproximately 30 cm.

Re:Black (memory)hole (0, Offtopic)

Stele (9443) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232265)

All your bits are belong to us!

It's an imbalance in tech advances... (2)

mmol_6453 (231450) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231925)

...so now we have to wait for architectures fast enough to effectively use the data.

Ho, 64-bit archs: You're now only a quick-fix.

Wow. Imagine.... (3, Funny)

Bingo Foo (179380) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231952)

...a Beowulf cluster of these would look like Chewbacca.

Re:Wow. Imagine.... (1)

RyuuzakiTetsuya (195424) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232051)

Or Cousin It!

Re:Wow. Imagine.... (2)

birder (61402) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232358)

That's the first Beowulf cluster joke that made me laugh. I'm good for another 1000 now.

HP labs political manoeuvre (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231967)

Carly and co. want to shed all the research and development departments here in HPC. Every single team has been told to show what they are working on will create a profit for the company within one year, or expect to be downsized. All research has stopped, its all development now. Every group is scrambling to get something published within the next few months, everyone is working on papers to get published at symposiums or mainstream press. Of course, everyone has updated their resumes.

I have to post anonymously because all our jobs are on the line and everyone is living with the fear of getting laid off. Another 10% are going to go soon, every department head has been told to choose their next cuts.

Re:HP labs political manoeuvre (1)

adb (31105) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232033)

I'm shocked, shocked that a CEO would pursue short-term gains that will profit her personally at the expense of the company's long-term well-being.

Mmm... pump and dump.

Silicon Valley-Girl (2, Funny)

Pyrosophy (259529) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231979)

HP Labs Creates Densest Memory Chips To Date

Great, we'll all have valley-girl memory in our computers by 2005...

CPU --> Store like 0C 0F 12 14 at totally !3789AC3

HP memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4231982)

Let me know when its $20 at some discounter web site then I will believe it.

Dns? (3, Funny)

Viking Coder (102287) | more than 12 years ago | (#4231991)

Ths s fntstc! Th mst dns mmry vr md!

Mb th hckrs knw smthng we dn't..

To those about to /. (1)

Chiggy_Von_Richtoffe (565992) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232007)

HP Labs Creates Densest Memory Chips To Date

By Matthew Fordahl, AP
San Jose, Calif.
6:29 PM EST Mon., Sept. 09, 2002
Using molecules as building blocks, Hewlett-Packard researchers have created memory circuits 10 times more dense than today's silicon
chips under a process that could be faster and cheaper than current technology.

The advance announced Monday could lead to more memory within a smaller space than what is now possible.

"We believe molecular electronics will push advances in future computer technology far beyond the limits of silicon," said R. Stanley
Williams, director of Quantum Science Research at HP Labs.

The high-tech industry's growth has been driven by packing more transistors -- or switches -- into smaller slivers of silicon. Within
the next decade, however, current technology is expected to reach physical limits.

Researchers are looking for approaches that could continue the pace of innovation, yet without abandoning completely the industry's
silicon foundation.

Williams, who presented his findings at a symposium for the 175th anniversary of the Royal Institute of Technology in Sweden, said
the high-density memory his team created fits inside a square micron. That's so small that 1,000 of the circuits could fit on the end of
a strand of human hair.

The memory is rewritable -- held on an organic synthetic molecule -- and can preserve information even after voltage is cut. It behaves
much like today's flash memory, commonly used in digital cameras, music players and cell phones to store information even after a
device has been turned off.

The difference is that the new memory could be much cheaper to make.

Conventional semiconductor products are created by etching transistors into silicon by shining light onto light-sensitive chemicals.
Williams' approach is more akin to contact printing used in creating vinyl records -- but at a very small scale.

The masters were created in about a day. They were then pressed into a polymer layer on a silicon wafer, and then into a single layer
of electronically switchable molecules on top of the silicon. Such molecules switch on and off just like a standard transistor.

"It took just a few minutes to make an imprint," Williams said.

Still, the technology is at least five years from being commercially available, Williams said.

"Things are moving along faster than we anticipated," he said. "Even given that, we're just now demonstrating feasibility, and it's a
long way from feasibility to product."

The demonstration memory holds about 64 bits of data, thousands of times smaller than the 128 megabytes in the much larger chips
found in today's personal computers.

And the success rate for the manufacturing process was only about 20 percent. The biggest challenge was sticking -- something anyone
who has fried an egg can understand.

"When we peeled the mold off, we had a material, or parts of the circuit, just literally pull away," he said. "That's a problem we have
to address and improve in our processing."

Williams' group also built a simple logic circuit that can address specific areas of nanoscale memory.

"It's a necessary step in order to have a real memory made out of this technology," he said.

The work is "a very important step forward in a years-long effort," said James C. Ellenbogen, principal scientist in the Nanosystems
Group at the MITRE Corp., a not-for-profit research company.

"This is certainly a really impressive step forward for them and the whole research program as well as for the entire electronics
industry worldwide."

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so, in the future (2)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232017)

bald people won't have computers?

Re:so, in the future (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232080)

So now the government will be able to implant microchips in our hair?

I want my HAN! (Hair Area Network)

What do you do with it? (1)

spikeham (324079) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232020)


What do you do with a computer with unlimited speed and an infinite amount of memory?

Re:What do you do with it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232071)

Run JBuilder 7 since that's the minimum requirements for it.

Re:What do you do with it? (2)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232128)

I believe Doom 3 will take advantage of that, however the video card will still need upgrading.

Re:What do you do with it? (2)

Jeremi (14640) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232254)

Personally, I'd see how long it takes to complete my "infinite loop" benchmark task...

Re:What do you do with it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232286)

Find extraterrestrial life, cure cancer, and calculate every digit of pi, all before breakfast.

Re:What do you do with it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232386)

Play Games...Duh
Paning

Re:What do you do with it? (1)

mcpkaaos (449561) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232417)

What do you do with a computer with unlimited speed and an infinite amount of memory?

Finally feel secure in your Windows XP reinstall. Again.

--
[McP]KAAOS

Re:What do you do with it? (1)

Eu4ria (110578) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232448)

Download all the pr0n off the internet ... duh !

Yet another dimm-that-will-store-all-my-mp3s (2)

wildcard023 (184139) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232047)

We seem to see these super jumps forward in memory/store/processing power using various combinations of holography, molecular storage, quantum tunneling and warp space...yet I still see the same size memory available on pricewatch [pricewatch.com] for the same prices.

When will any of these advancements be available for my machine? In a store near me?

--
Mike

So does this mean (1)

Skal Tura (595728) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232048)

So does this mean i can get soon 10gb ram's and put there that stinking wind0ze to perhaps to prevent it from being so damn lagged even with newest hardware available?

Tho, even i'd had that amount of ram it would be one pain the ass trick to get wind0ze into ram and boot it from there... so anyone done that? ;)

time is 12:48AM here, perhaps it's time to get my breakfast... and change coffee to juice =)

Re:So does this mean (1)

krray (605395) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232163)

YES, this is *EXACTLY* what it means. With the fact that this memory is faster than hard drives and unlike your RAM keeps its memory when voltage is removed.

I can see putting 5 or 10G in a box for the OS and applications. Hard drives will be for your content perhaps.

Perhaps Windows will still be around by the time this makes it to market. So what? Windows itself may be fast, and may be be _more_ stable by that time. Now take that same system put a Unix on it and compare. Same old game, just faster and better.

I'll take my BSD, Linux and OS X any day, thank you. 5G boot strap for the OS on my Mac? Oh yeah...

European semi-conductor tech (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232086)

How come every advance in semi-conductor technology comes from the US. Nothing happens in the EU.

Oh yeah I forgot, they're too busy hanging out in cafes for four hours a day and waiting for their government checks.

Or maybe they're too busy hanging out on slashdot showing their obvious envy by trying to put down the US.

Or maybe they're trying to fix their indoor plumbing which they haven't figured out yet.

Take your pick.

Those guys at HP doing some hi-tech stuff... (1)

jack1323 (301059) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232119)

Using Molecules as Building Blocks!!!! WHOAH! Jebus! That's never been done before.

...and this little factoid,
"about 64 bits of data, thousands of times smaller than the 128 megabytes"

More like 2 million times smaller.

But seriously, now, isn't this aricle a bit to dumb-downed and fluffed up for Slashdot?
Oh...wait. We don't read the articles anymore.

Interconnect limitations yield this Tech useless (2, Interesting)

aSiTiC (519647) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232134)

As much as IBM researchers, etc.. would like to believe that silicon will die and be replaced in the near future I doubt it will happen soon. Producing memory with size on the order of a micron is virtually useless. At the moment the limiting factor in the fabrication of integrated circuits are interconnections. Yes! The little pieces of metal that transfer signals around the IC. Currently 90% of delay in an IC is no longer due to the transistor but instead is cause by propagation delay through the transmission line. As it is not possible to fabricate transmission lines that can actually connect to memory as small as is discussed here, I can not see how this memory can be utilized. Does anyone know of interconnect solutions that could be used?

Re:Interconnect limitations yield this Tech useles (1)

taylor (11728) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232326)

One advantage to sub-micron device structures (here, what, 125 nm2 devices, right, given 64 bits per square micron) is they are as near-field as you could want. Still, it is hard to see how you can get better stipline performance without going to superconducting materials. That is a long dicussion, better served by someone who knows more about it.

What's the net result? Probably superconducting interconnects will be necessary to take advantage of this type of memory. Conductors with highly desirable LC characteristics (read nanotubes) may be another way to accomplish this without going to low temperature.

Alternatively, asyncronous memory access / processing may be useful, though I know nothing about those ideas.

And in (not so) related news (1)

idleprocess (606281) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232147)

A North Carolina man is suing Hans Wieman after he is arrested when authorities discover 450TB of kiddie pr0n in his hair-brush.

Implications of all that density (1)

hugesmile (587771) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232153)

ok, now it's up to Bill Gates to take away what technology has given us. How fast can we consume all those bits?

Let's see... what are the implications?...

- Buffer overruns can REALLY clobber something important - not just create security problems. Now a buffer overrun might overwrite your entire collection of illegal MP3's stored in memory.

- You can now fit millions of pr0n mpegs onto the head of a ...

- The DNA mapping of the human genome can now be contained onto something the size of a human hair (isn't it already?)

And I thought Carley was just a little dense. Now she is densest!

so can we stop with the dead tree thing now? (1)

ZillaVilla (605321) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232235)

I really thought we'd all be paper-less by 1990...and I'm still waiting. I can organize my data, but if it hits paper...it's gone.

Rambus' statement (2)

nick_davison (217681) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232244)

Rambus has publicly hailed the news, stating, "We hope to work together with HP, creating an industry standards group, to ensure the full potential of this exciting new technology is met."

In unrelated news, Rambus' lawyers have filed a series of initial patents, intending to amend them later as more details become available. Ivanna Bendemover, Rambus' CEO reassured everyone at the standards group that this has nothing to do with the new technology, stating, "You can trust Rambus to only have the industry's very best interests at heart."

Are you sure about that? (2)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232267)

I seem to recall people making memory, or at least ROM where bits were stored as single atoms just a few weeks ago (and on slashdot no less). Is this stuff more dense that that?

Density is misleading . . . (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232307)

Back in the good old U.S.S.R., workers in the factories were encouraged to make heavy/dense electrical engines. The workers simply began adding weights to the motors, not actually increasing their horsepower or anything, and as a result, the U.S.S.R. made some of the heaviest engines in the world. Now, I doubt that's what's happening here (and the use of "dense" may not have anything to do with these types of chips), but I figured you'd appreciate the little story I had, courtesy of my Economics book.

Heheh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232365)

Give one of these to Ballmer...

Mwahahahahah -- evil penguin laughter.

Headline... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4232397)

What was that headline?

"HP Creates Densest Merger To Date"?

that's pretty cool, but i want holographic memory! (1)

eecue (605228) | more than 12 years ago | (#4232452)

this is the really cool stuff here: http://opticb.uoregon.edu/~mosswww/memory/shm.html [uoregon.edu] .... yeah baby! can't wait till we can fit our entire music collection on one storage cube.

-eek
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