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How Has Post-9/11 Legislation Affected You?

Cliff posted more than 11 years ago | from the on-the-eve-of-the-aniversary dept.

Privacy 1212

goldspider asks: "I hope this is received in the spirit it was intended in. In a recent Reuters article, the Internet as a whole has been referred to as 'collateral damage' of the U.S.-led War on Terrorism, because of the perceived loss in privacy and online rights as a result of post-9/11 legislation. I am curious to hear about some specific examples of how this legislation has personally or professionally affected the everyday lives of Slashdot readers."

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1212 comments

First post (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232391)

You smell better the 2nd time around, baby

Prepare for War! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232517)

Are you prepared to die for your rights and freedom?

Are you prepared to kill?

September 11th marks a turning point in history. The day the islamic world showed its true face. The terror of that fateful day need not be recalled here, for there are far worthier media outlets that can stage a fitting tribute to the fallen. But the repercussions of this event have been felt for the past 365 days.

Notice how you don't feel as secure as you did in employment. Notice how suddenly your salary doesn't stretch as far as it used to? Notice the lump tightening in your gut every time you see an islamic walking freely.

Now ask yourself? Have you let the terrorists win?

They are laughing at us. The whole islamic world is laughing at us. They will be in our streets tomorrow, cheering and celebrating the act of mass murder. Why are they permitted to support acts of barbarism?

Why? Because we live in a Free Country. Yet, paradoxically, it is our freedom which offends the islamic the most. They know fine well that in their barbaric despotisms they would not be permitted ANY means of protest against the goverment. Yet, not only are they free to protest, to burn our flag, but they are nigh on ENCOURAGED to do so by the liberal media.

Switch on your television set tomorrow. You'll see them. The liberals. Plump and fat with the rich pickings of their well-fed middle class white heritage, they shall be bleating that somehow, it's all America's fault. That America is a nation forged from genocide, that the numbers of children killed in Iraq and Afghanistan far outweigh the tiny little statistic of the World Trade Centre murders. Making us feel guilty for the privledge of being noble-hearted Americans. Denying our nation the opportunity to mourn.

We face a twin pronged attack. The liberal media, forever assaulting the values we hold dear, and the islamic menace. A permanent threat that has been allowed to continue far too long.

Understand that for an islamic, the idea that a non-islamic should be permitted to live in peace is HERESY. Like any good brain-washing cult, islamics are indoctrinated from birth and are forced to remember every verse in their "Terrorist's Handbook", the Koran. Without recourse to other treatises on morality, is it any wonder that islamics have degenerated to the point of raw animal savagery?

As long as islamics are tolerated in decent society, there will always be terrorism. They want to see this 'decent society' destroyed from within. Notice how, although islamic culture is supposed to be a 'paradise', these animals cannot WAIT to get out of their own countries and into Western civilization.

Why is this? Surely, it is a core belief of islam that a muslim should offer shelter to their fellow muslim. So, why is Europe infested with the black cancer of 'asylum seekers'? The answer is simple. Asylum seekers are an invasion force. Entering decent countries and tearing them apart from within. Demanding to be treated with more privledge than the native population. Clogging up government services and squandering taxpayers money without offering anything back to the society they force to become their home. Other than an increase in crime rates, of course.

Surely a western government is in place "For the people"? Ask ANY European Citizen whether they want asylum resettlement centres in their towns, and you'll recieve a unanimous "Non". So why is THIS invasion tolerated?

Socialism! Successive socialist goverments in Europe have allowed the islamic cancer to spread unchecked. This is why, even though islam is a religion, and not a skin colour, every muslim knows how to cry "racist" whenever they are asked to behave like a human being.

For a 'just' and 'tolerant' religion, it is shocking to see how quickly islamic settlement areas degenerate into high crime zones, where the rest of society; be they white, chinese, hindu, sikh, whatever; fears to walk. There are areas of all our inner cities which operate under strict Sharia law in all but name. Gangs of muslim youths roam freely, each one of them a mini Bin Laden.

This is the army which we must face. Together, not as whites, or purebreed aryans, or any of that bullshit, but as AMERICANS, we must stand together. For even the most liberal of human beings knows, in their heart, that islam poses a threat to the very foundation of our existance.

We have guns. We need to use them before further liberalism pries them from our grasps. Because we know that THEY have guns as well. And they are just waiting for the call from their Terrorist Training Camps (mosques) to begin the holy jihad. And it will be the blood of our families, our beloved ones, that will be spilled if we don't act. We must act soon and decisively. Entering the muslim-held areas en masse and eliminating their foul subhuman breed for good. For once our country is purged, and no more islamics are permitted entry, we know we shall be steadfast on the road to security.

The muslim's heart craves war, and on September 11th 2001 they chose to bring the battle onto the streets of America.

September 11th 2002 shall be the day we fight back. Our new Independance Day.

I ask you now, if any word of this diatribe strikes a chord in your heart, PLEASE post it on. Usenet. Online forums. Wherever. Because, despite decades of liberal propaganda, you know that every word said is forged from the cold, harsh flame of truth.

Mod Parent Up! (0, Offtopic)

SnatMandu (15204) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232618)

+1 Funny

Well, I'm Canadian... (2, Informative)

Etriaph (16235) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232392)

...so it hasn't really, sadly enough to say. But I think the even affected everyone on the continent in some way or another.

Re:Well, I'm Canadian... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232443)

heh. if only that were true. thanks to the war on terror canada nolonger controls it's own borders.. just that one step closer to becomming the 51st state.

Re:Well, I'm Canadian... (2, Informative)

Reece400 (584378) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232447)

I'm Canadian, and it's affected me a great deal. Slowdows at borders and airports, insame codes of conducts for schools, cancelation of any and all school trips for my school board far almost a year, Many many battles against school admin. have happened because they refused to lower the flag until the next day, and after they suspened ppl who went home because they're relatives worked there and they wanted to see if they were okay, etc. I think that it has effected every North American citizen, and beyond, in ways that they may or may not notice, Because most of us only look for the positives in things, not the negatives, which all of these effects seem to have been...

Reece,

Oh God (0, Offtopic)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232396)

Please let this be first! I'm in Washington DC this week, so it makes sense.

-1 Troll (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232398)

Ugh.

Freedom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232402)

weee!!!!

Well if your at college ... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232403)

Denial of service attacks [westerncourier.com] - are now considered an act of domestic terrorism.

So I guess that you could say that what used to just piss people off is now considered domestic terrorism. Some people OBVIOUSLY overreact to situations and play on the emotions. I would really like to seem some legislation against PROFITING on 9/11.

Re:Well if your at college ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232512)

From the article:

The attack on Western's service was similar to an attack on Internet hub, Yahoo, and popular action site, eBay, in 2001.

I searched eBay and found plenty of action figures and action games, but no actual action. Just what kind of *action* does eBay have? Am I missing something?

Re:Well if your at college ... (1)

theSkyjet (607644) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232661)

You know, I couldn't agree more. Where were all the flags and God Bless Americas _before_ 9/11? Suddenly when someone can make a profit, patriotism is the thing! If everyone is so darned proud of their country why don't they show it in a little more useful way than pasting Flags on every flat surface. Say, by actually _helping_ their community or something! Capatalism at its best.

Liberals are Whinier (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232408)

They complain about everything

it hasn't (1)

tiwason (187819) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232409)

It hasn't

Well... (2)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232412)

I just paid $60 to ZeroKnowledge [freedom.net] if that's any indication.

Re:Well... (3, Informative)

bartash (93498) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232459)

I paid to join the EFF (http://www.eff.org/) and the ACLU (http://www.aclu.org/).

Re:Well... (2)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232476)

I joined the ACLU about a month ago. I haven't looked into the EFF enough yet to know if it's worth the donation.

Re:Well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232581)

I haven't looked into the EFF enough yet to know if it's worth the donation.

They had an actor who played a Star Trek character box Barney, a much-maligned person-in-lizard-suit host of a toddler's TV show. It doesn't look like they're much interested in preserving any dignity they might have, so if you're going to make a donation, be sure to ask how much of the money goes toward re-establishing their lost credibility.

Re:Well... (2)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232648)

Attacking the activities of those within the group that are unrelated to the group itself? How odd that you choose to attack the livelihood of individuals instead of critiquing their motives, methods, policies, actions, or ideals. To simply make fun of those who earn an honest living in a feeble attempt to undermine the group serves only to undermine your own credibility. Then again, you are an AC :)

Canadian border (5, Interesting)

Surak (18578) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232416)

I live a few miles from the Canadian border. I've been searched at least 20-30 times since September 11 going across to the Casinos in Windsor.

I'm sick of people saying "Oh, it doesn't bother me because it makes me feel safer." It DOES bother me, and NO, it DOESN'T make me feel safer. If someone wanted to get across the border with explosives or something, they're gonna do it and these stupid spot checks aren't prevent it.

Re:Canadian border (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232466)

I wasn't searched when I crossed the border. It hasn't affected me.

Re:Canadian border (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232474)

Lemme break it down for you:

If they don't check people crossing the border, then that check point can be used to traffic unwanted items into the country.
If they do check people crossing the border, then noone will attempt to traffic unwanted items into the country.

Now, which is more difficult to bare? The inconvenience of the search, or another 9/11 style attack?

Re:Canadian border (1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232535)

These searches aren't preventing "another 9/11 style attack" at all. Those guys weren't smuggling anything into the country.

Re:Canadian border (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232480)

Oh, yeah, border checks have never stopped anyone from getting across the Canadian border with explosives. Except for that guy who was going to bomb LAX on the eve of y2k.

Re:Canadian border (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232554)

I'm so very sorry that our searches inconvenienced you. I guess we shouldn't do anything, huh? If people will find a way, then I guess we should just let them.

Re:Canadian border (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232565)

Absolutely right-----those border checks don't give one more safety...just more hassle and time wasted. And I'll bet those Detroit casinos are getting a lot of extra business that used to go to Windsor, now that Windsor's a bigger hassle. I myself have gone to Greektown's casino ever since 9/11.

Also, even if the "border check" was totally ironclad, then any potential terrorist would just cross somewhere between the border stations.

Re:Canadian border (2)

bartash (93498) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232588)

This is an example of a badly design security process. It isn't actually making anything more secure. There is a nice piece in the Atlantic:
http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/ 09/mann.htm

ever since 9/11 (1)

eecue (605228) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232419)

the feds read all me email twice now. hehe -eek

Re:ever since 9/11 (-1)

jmrjmrjmr (605518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232516)

mod this up :)

nothing really changed (2, Interesting)

havaloc (50551) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232420)

Can't say I've been effected at all. Things haven't changed, we just complain about different things, and have more access to the news that makes us angry.

Re:nothing really changed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232449)

It's "affected", and are you still running Internet scams like Coins2Cash?

Well, for starters... (5, Informative)

Soulfader (527299) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232432)

The source of the list found here [newsday.com] :

Overview of changes to legal rights:

By The Associated Press

September 5, 2002, 11:44 AM EDT

Some of the fundamental changes to Americans' legal rights by the Bush administration and the USA Patriot Act following the terror attacks:

  • FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigation.
  • FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records requests.
  • FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.
  • RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.
  • FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.
  • RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.
  • RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.
It's depressing when I show this list and someone says, "Wow, I had no idea it was so bad."

It's even worse when they say "So?"

Re:Well, for starters... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232528)

The question was - How has it affected you? Or even anybody you know?

Offtopic? (1)

Soulfader (527299) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232567)

The question was - How has it affected you? Or even anybody you know?
And? Do I have to be incarcerated to be affected by these changes? Do you?

If that's not enough, I have a degree in political science. As such, this has a profound effect on my primary field of study.

Is that good enough for you?

Re:Well, for starters... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232534)

So?

Re:Well, for starters... (3, Interesting)

soapvox (573037) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232576)

You are right it is worse when they say so, and I think the biggest thing that has changed since September 11 for me is the fact is now MORE people are willing to give up thier freedoms for security that isn't really there. I fly every week and I don't mind the extra searches and SFO is actually getting speedy, what I do mind is the fact that I feel it necessary to double think everything I email or post online because I KNOW that it is more scrutinized than before. And people just go along with Ashcroft in his quest for justice by denying US citizen rights they are given by our constitution, and if I am not mistaken terrorist don't like Americans because of thier freedoms, like freedom to follow whatever religion you want with out being targeted for it like a lot of Islamic groups are now being watched for, like the freedom to say what you like about the government without fear of retaliation, if we are not careful the terrorist will win by default if they take away our freedoms. If you want to fight terrorism, excersize your freedom of speech and tell Ashcroft to back off!

Re:Well, for starters... (3, Funny)

MrEd (60684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232604)

Now available in an easy-to-digest comic form!


http://archive.salon.com/comics/boll/2001/12/20/bo ll/index.html [salon.com]



Thanks to Ruben Bolling's Tom the Dancing Bug, of course.

Re:Well, for starters... (2)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232641)

Everyone held inside of the US on immigration charges or in X-ray have had forms and options given to them to reveal to media whom they are. Several have feared for the safety of their famalies in Afganistan if they are revealed (Northern Allience is not all that hot), so they have chosen not to.

Almost all >95% of the people held in immigration charges have been deported at this point. The remaining 5% are people that we really might not want Al-Qeda to know we have (the downside of a cell structure is that while your enemy can not easily get to your membership, neither can you, esp if they are "sleeper cells" like say, the 9/11 crowd was.).

Re:Well, for starters... (2)

HaeMaker (221642) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232606)

Great post...

One more:

The Right of Habaes Corpus: Those declared "enemy combatants" are never arraigned, nor have to be told why they are being held.

You covered this with RIGHT TO TRIAL, but its even worse they you describe.

Re:Well, for starters... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232634)

That list is completely bogus, Newsweek took different parts of the act out of their context to provide a slanted view -- hell -- the ACLU is more object on this one. :)

FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION::

What the hell do they think "criminal activity" is? They don't have to suspect criminal activity just terrorist activity - hrmm, that makes sense?

FREEDOM OF INFORMATION::

Where are the facts on this? If they've secretly detained hundreds of people without charges how does Newsweek know about it?

FREEDOM OF SPEECH::

Yes, and? When was it legal to leak information regarding national security? Not saying this is necessarily a good thing, but its nothing new...

RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION::
Yes, but information obtained by listening to these conversations cannot be used to further criminal investigations.

FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES::
Yes, it sucks. A note, this again cannot be used to further criminal investigations.

LIBERTY + SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL:
This only applies to non-US citizens.

I'm certainly not saying that the current situation regarding civil liberties is a good thing, but some stories really just blow it up for some headlines.

security? (5, Funny)

Metaldsa (162825) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232433)

The man with the rubber glove was surprisingly gentle...

Re:security? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232510)

You thought I had a cruise missile hidden where???

My biggest problem is airports (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232439)

Like everyone else, there's the delay...

But, unlike most people, I use an insulin pump. Most security people aren't keen on seeing someone with a small mechanical device and tubes attached to their body. Also, the insulin, needles, lancet, etc all get a good look through. I get stopped and have my bags inspected pretty much every time I go through. It's made me use air travel as a last resort.

Just the horizion. (1)

phaktor (39283) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232440)

I think what we will find is that right now many government departments are on a power grab. At first we will not be affected by the new laws but they will slowly increase the strangle hold that they have until they eventually control things. but hopefully by then we will figure out ways to get around there new holds.

I don't fly anymore (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232451)

News Flash to Airlines: Security checks make *you* feel safer and make the rest of us feel like cattle.


The cost and hassle and privacy violations required to fly make me glad I have a car that will go 300k+ miles in its lifetime.

Post-9/11 Revelation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232457)

Flight 93 was shot down.

I know because I was ordered to shoot down the plane. Due to the classified status of that day's events, I can not divulge my name or the method I used to bring down the target. After I touched down back at the base that day, I found that the passengers on flight 93 had successfully overpowered the hijackers moments before I killed them all. I have suffered immeasurable guilt since then, to the degree that the unit shrink has grounded me indefinitely.

You will probably never know the full story. I do not think I can bear another six years of service before retirement and may be medically discharged by then, in which case I have nothing to live for any more.

Re:Post-9/11 Revelation (1)

irishkev (457679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232608)

I would like to hear more about this. I am a 9/11 researcher who looks at all stories, no matter what. Please feel free to check out my web site and write to me. My PGP key is in the ABOUT section of my site if you want to talk.

Thanks,
Kevin

How Has It Affected Me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232458)




It has, without a doubt, convinced me that Canada is the coolest fucking place in the Americas.



Direct influence (2)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232460)

Well, I work for a computer security company which was just aquired after a great year of sales after 9/11. Certainly the company would still be doing well, but perhaps not quite as well if people weren't directly interested in security.

Thus 9/11 directly influenced my bank account, and likely many many other people's, albeit not in the same direction.

Speech Restriction (0)

Oliver Newland (596957) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232462)

Before 9/11 I could say things like "Let's go fly planes into buildings" or "Wouldn't it be really cool if a plane crashed into the pentagon?" without people really suspecting much.

Mixed emotions (5, Insightful)

tigerknight (305542) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232465)

I can't think of anything that has directly impacted me as of yet, but there are things about the past year that are very disturbing.

The biggest thing is that the government appears to be milking the 9/11 event for all it's worth in steps, releasing little tidbits of the story and new footage or new suspects found every time it wants to pass something through the houses without causing too much trouble with the public. Whip the public into a patriotic fervor of such levels that they willingly give up their freedoms in the name of staying safe and 'free of terrorists'.

Examples would be the Citizen Corps program that Bush started, it's effectively eastern european 'secret police' all over again, call in your neighbor for suspicious activity and get them put on surveilance and possibly carted away. Also the 'Patriot Act' and a few other bills that are aimed at increasing the governments power over individuals, all in the name of 'freedom'.

So have I felt any solid effects of anything since then? No. Can I see a picture start to form the way they've been manipulating (or attempting to) the public to push forward an agenda? Yes.

Outside of the US (0)

yoinkslap (520875) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232468)

To be honest, there isnt a lot of change in New Zealand, and im guessing a lot of other countries around the world. there just isnt the paranoia, for lack of a better word, that there seems to be in the states.

I remember on a public forum i frequent, someone posted the following:
"I wonder what NZers would be doing a year after such a tragedy?"
and the reply:
"Calling for a new All Black coach, i expect."

And to me, that just sums it up. Just my $0.02.

well, to be honest.... (2)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232472)

As far as the net goes with regards to 9/11...I have seen no changes whatsoever.

Here's the deal for me:

I don't download music, movies, or software that isn't free, nor do I download porn. (Shocked silence should ensue here I guess. Why look at porn when you have a beautiful woman at home?)

I don't (moral obligation, lack of caring, whatever you want to call it) do activities that could bring me under suspicion of any government agency. (unles /. is viewed as a radical site--yikes)

Anyhow, to use a phrase from the late, great DA:

I'm mostly harmless.

So, my access has stayed the same. I guess I am just a boring person.

Yeah, I read the article too....*shrugs* the only thing that has caused me concern has been my apparent need for penis enlargement and breast reduction surgery..at least there are people in the world that think I need both, and want me to make lots of money out of the kindness of their hearts.

Re:well, to be honest.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232573)

Why? Because my beautiful wife loves to look at porn!

"Golly, I have nothing to hide!" (1)

Trespass (225077) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232673)

Now you don't have the option.

Well (1)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232473)

It hasn't affected me in a significant way at all. I'm European though. But I still don't get the whole big idea around the Sept. 11 attacks. Worse stuff has happened in the past.

Re:Well (1)

Raven15 (152175) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232643)

True, but the problem is that lots of Americans are so reactionary and unaware, and the media and government are so hell-bent on using 9/11 as a means to their ends, be it profit, greater civilian control, or whatever. Obviously, exceptions abound, but middle class fear is this sluggish thing that's hard to stop once it starts moving.

Nice timing (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232478)

Did this REALLY need to be posted the day before Sep 11? No mention on /. of the brave firefighters who perished that day, or the other thousands of innocent people who died. Just someone griping because they think someone is going to take their precious internet anonymity away. Jackass.

Re:Nice timing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232632)

>>No mention on /. of the brave firefighters who
>>perished that day, or the other thousands of
>>innocent people who died.

Oh yeah. Over the last year we've heard NOTHING about them.

Bloody Hell (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232481)

Twice in the last year I have been hauled up for
"compromising security on government computers".

Once for running nmap against one of my own machines. Active network scanning is forbidden!

Once for sending an e-mail to 30 people inviting
them to see my wife and daughter perform in
Fiddler On The Roof. Because I used Bcc, and
only spammers do that of course...

However, I can run snort or ethereal all day and
night and intercept anything I want to, because
they are passive agents and cannot be detected
by the nids.

SO, there is no real security, but they sure do
rake anybody they can for the things they can
detect.

Oh, almost forgot... my friend **** joined the
spook patrol (real agency name supressed) and
put me down as a personal ref, so I got my
phone tapped.

Let me outta here, I'm moving to Mexico!

General increase in Hate... (3, Informative)

SmoothCriminal (470234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232486)

Being of East Indian ethnicity, I do feel the general hate level against the asain population including Arabs/chinese/Indians.


Though this is a small percentage, it does hurt the people in the recieving end. The economy has made things worse when few people who lose jobs blame it on the H-1Bs.


There was a restructuring in my company and now the message boards are full of hate.


I guess the general hate level of the people has increased and also the economy is not helping.


God Bless America...

few people who lost jobs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232622)



The FEW people that lost jobs? What planet are you on?

meh (0)

mwolff (594593) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232493)

I haven't really ran into any new laws although an old state law, that has basically been ignored for the last 10 years, was revived that requires high schools in my state to recite the Pledge of Allegiance everyday. I went through a few airports on Sept 1, 2002 for an Academic Decathlon trip and I noticed the security was better, but I didn't mind it. It wasn't a pain or anything. It took time but not as long as the pretzel stand :( The year before that the Academic Decathlon trip proved how bad security was. It was on Sept 1, 2001. My teacher set off the walk-through alarm and was not stopped so she just kept walking. Another student left a bag at the terminal and that bag was picked up and brought aboard by a fellow student that was taking a later flight out to our destination. So the bag had been sitting for roughly 3 hours at the terminal. meh

The effects on me (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232496)

As an airport security worker, I feel as though my obligations have multiplied ten-fold. My responsibilities - especially morally have also greatly increased.

The only upside to 9/11 for me has been that people now respect me for the job I try to do much more, previously people griped when being security checked but now very rarely does this occur.

But there are a minority who judge me as though I am poor at my job, especially in light of the current security breaches (check UK news sites) of people managing to smuggle the same weapons as used to hijack the planes on 9/11 on to aircrafts now.

This despite the fact I do the job as I always have done, believing I am protecting the people - working as hard as I possibly can to make sure the tragic events never occur again.

Laws and Courts (1)

DrLudicrous (607375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232502)

I agree that the Patriot Act has severely limited the freedoms of American citizens. BUT, in a few years a Democrat president will appoint more liberal justices to the Supreme Court. Right now, it is a 5-4 split, conservative-liberal. Once the balance is upset back in the favor of liberals, a la 1960's-1980's, the ACLU and other lawyers will being to challenge these laws. There is no way a challenge is going to fly with these courts and the general sentiments of the populace so soon after 9/11/01.

I'm Portuguese (2, Funny)

Cirruz (607607) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232505)

No, I live in Portugal, and if in Portugal authorities can't even regulate car drivers, they just don't care about terrorists!

Worst, there's a great possibility that none terrorist knows where Portugal is, so we're pretty safe, I think.

Invisibility kicks ass, Portugal is a stealth country!

Cirruz

Re:I'm Portuguese (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232621)

God damn it, security through obscurity Doesn't WORK!

Re:I'm Portuguese (1)

DahGhostfacedFiddlah (470393) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232671)

"Portugal"? Is that a kind of fish?

We've been affected (1)

mduckworth (457088) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232506)

In our industry, although we are state and government regulated and completely legitimate, we are considered an "online gambling website", and as such through the legislation if we accept online account deposits via visa or mastercard we will be shut down. We've had to be very careful as a result of this legislation and it makes life unfun.

Even less confidence... (1)

ironfroggy (262096) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232507)

...in our government. "Terrorism" is used as an excuse to let the government do anything they want. The problem is that we don't even know what terrorism is. It's just a type of war we don't like. What about when we fought for our freedom from the British? We fought indian style and they were appaled that we wouldn't face them in straight lines and bright colors. Anyone can go to war against anyone, whenever and however they like and we have to deal with it and not treat it as such a special case. Hell, 9/11 was nothing. We've killed alot more people than that.

Re:Even less confidence... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232558)

According to this BBC article [bbc.co.uk] , mroe civilians were killed by the US in Afghanistan than were killed here on September 11th.

Just a thought.

N407ER

We're Fucked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232518)

Well, bush/runsfuck/ashcrap/riley want us to lie down and beg for our supper(rights). Well GOD DAMN IT, I am fucking sick and tired of sucking their rightwing, controlling, moralistic pencil sticks. They are still wrapped up in their cold war hysteria, and we get the benefits of it, a brutal insidious police state. I've never felt that our Govt is "for" the people, but I didn't think it was against ALL of us.

The internet is just another way for them to control what we hear,see and do in this country. Land of the FREE- freedom to be egotistical, imperialistic, unilateral, capitalistic pigs. The internet "could" be a clearinghouse of knowledge to brighten the minds of humanity. Ok, there's probably too much PRON(hell it's got to make $$ somehow), but there is WAY more good information out there than bad. And you can't pull a Micro$oft, and try to hide problems hoping others wont find them.

Educate the masses to think for themselves and make thoughtful, incisive decisions, and then give them the freedom to use their discretion...that's what freedom is.

Let's hope that this "WAR on TERROR" doesn't demonize other peoples/cultures the way the "WAR ON DRUGS" (read action to provide tons of cash for constituents..law enforcement,pharmaceutical, oil companies,etc).

Hopefully BUSH will figure out how much of a gullible DUMB SHIT he is, and maybe think twice about what is conniving cronies are "advising" him to do. Heck, he wasn't even creative enough not to use his dad's cabinet!

The internet is being hammered on all fronts from corporations (ie. M$) trying to monopolize it, Countries (ie China) trying to control it, and right wingers trying to sanitize it. We need to all speak up and keep it as free as it has been.

Don't try to stop progress, learn to cope/adapt to it.

9/11 effects (2)

bsDaemon (87307) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232526)

Let's see...My father is a capitain with USAir. My mother used to work on wallstreet. Many of her friends still worked in the towers; 53 people from her old parish died. Our president turned out to be a facist. airport scenes of the USA look like those from movies such as 'Spy Game' and that Russel Crow movie about the hostage negotiation gone bad. I'm starting to feel like I live in East Germany.

Too much 9/11 (5, Funny)

Pollux (102520) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232527)

I am curious to hear about some specific examples of how this legislation has personally or professionally affected the everyday lives of Slashdot readers."

I'm sorry, but we've done too much to "commemorate" September 11. What's done is done, and let the dead bury the dead. We should not brand Arabs as guilty and evil. Bush did a poor job handling 9/11. He has killed too many innocent lives in Afghanistan. Iraq should not be an American target. Why don't we just...

*** Knock *** Knock *** Knock ***

"Hello? Yes, how can I help you? Yes, I am loyal to my country. What? Hey! Where are you taking me?!?"

---

How has it affected me? I'm worried about what I say in public; that's how it's affected me.

Re:Too much 9/11 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232579)

The dead are a bit too busy being dead to bury anyone.

fired (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232552)

monetarily. downturn in economy, sorry. it is real.

Spam has tenfold (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232557)

It may not be related to 9/11...

...but in the last 12 months spam to my mailbox has tenfold.

:-(
ms

It changed everything ... (1)

Khalidz0r (607171) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232559)

Well, the question should rather be: Did 9/11 keep *anything* as is?

I'm afraid to speak out. (1)

Moray_Reef (75398) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232562)

So many cry-babies on Slashdot, I support the ACLU and EFF. You don't have to support the same groups I do but please DO SOMETHING!

(lets take a simple test shall we?)
When was the last time you called/e-mailed/FAXed your elected representative?
Did you VOTE?
Do you support any civil liberties group?

Your score : 0 - Shut the fuck up. You have no right to bitch. WAKE UP DUMBFUCK!
Your score : 1 - That's a small start, now lets keep it moving shall we?
Your score : 2 - Warmer, now lets call our rep again...
Your score : 3 - GOOD, lets keep it up, I fax my representatives about 2-3 times a week, How about you?

The following is just a sig. (but still true)

Oh, there's an effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232574)

I find that I am using WAY more tinfoil.

No Changes... (2)

tenchiken (22661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232585)

There have been no changes that signficantly impact anyone one slashdot, unless one has serious ties to Islamists.

GASP! What is that? How can it be?

Outside of one alarmist Retuers article, the reality is that for 99.999% of people out there (which leaves approxamitly 2500 people left in america) there has been absolutly zilch change, with the exception of the fact that our airports are not the second most secure (we have a long way to go before we hit the level that is El-Al) and border crossings take longer.

(And don't give me the argument that Europe's are better. No they are not. I was there, I was scared at how easy it was, and this was a week after Reid decided to prove how lax security was).

Reality Check... 99.99% of slashdot probably constists of white males/females who are athiest/christian/jewish/hindu/moderate islam, which are viewed to be infidels by certain people. Reminder. THESE GUYS WANT TO KILL US. Plain and Simple. Ignoring the rhetoric, it comes down to that. Frankly, if they catch a guy who has been spending time in Afganistan in the company of the Taliban or Al-Qeda Lock him up for a VLT (Very Long Time).

If you find someone who is of obvious leanings, has home videos of other peoples kids and Disneyland and plans of the local radation generation, make friggen sure that said individual is not going to cry "Allahu Ackbar" and take a plan into either a) the sea, b) A building, c) a nuclear reactor...

Why would it? (1)

zombiestomper (228123) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232586)

And if it did, the only reason you know is because you're probably behind bars right now for breaking the law.

C'mon, really. The gov. is not interested in how much pr0n you download or how many .mp3's you traded, or your nasty letter to your IRC honey. The only people affected are people doing shit they shouldn't be doing.

Besides, haven't we seen that the government agencies are so inept, there's nothing worry about?

I used to be one of the paranoid types. Aliens, the illuminati, all that shit. I got over it. If you step back and put it into perspective, you realize there's nothing to worry about. You are not that important. j00 are n07 1n t3h M47r1x! They are not after you m4d 1337 h4xx0ring ski11z!

Go get a date for the next ./ meetup or kiss a girl or something. There are more things to worry about than this...

(Man, that felt good. Bad karma here i come...)

Yes.... (2)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232594)

I am sick of having Joe Idiot Security guard poking his stick or whatever through my gear bag. If the TSA kills my PDA while doing their "search" I want some BUTT! Some may think oh is that all? YES! I paid lots of bucks for my gear and some idiot poking through my bag with a stick and possibly breaking stuff because they think they might find something bad is idiotic. Also, if we are going to do security, then do it the same in every public building. When I went to the Smithsonian, in one museum(American History Museum) I got a stick poked through my bag. In another(Air and Space Mueseum), I had to pretty much go through an airport treatment. Bag in xray and walk through metal detector. Are the Air and Space things more important? Also I am sick of having to remove my laptop from my bag. Does that and other "additional" security make me safer? No it makes me feel paranoid some idiot will drop my laptop on the way to swab it with that thing. Also, I noticed another item has hit the electronic devices ban on airplanes. You can no longer have a GPS device active on a airplane (even though every aircraft probably has one too). Things have changed security wise but has their actually been any security studies done to see if it proves it? I don't think so. At least they won't ask those stupid questions any more (Anyone ask ya to put stuff in your bag, have your bags ever been out of your control....that deal). I mean they were asking those BEFORE 9/11. Let's do something. Let's have the FAA do a study on both PED's and security. Let's see if a GPS, cellphone, radio, laptop actually do cause interferance to the avionics in a typical airliner. Let's see if having your 2 inches of recline during take off and landing makes you safer. Let's see if your tray table being up during take off and landing make you safer too. Let's do something we should have a long time ago...a scientific study before we do policy. It can't be any worse then what we do now.

Too much cnn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232598)

I watch cnn too much since then :|

Flying (1)

Aldurn (187315) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232600)

I have had to fly once during the past year, and I regretted every minute of it.

I am reminded of the Communist Trials, the stupidity of which we look back upon now and laugh at. In one airport run, I had to stand and watch both a girl who could barely see over the table on which her items were being rifled through get wanded, as well as my 80-year-old grandmother get "randomly searched" while sitting in her wheelchair. Upon seeing such unwarrented hysteria, I realized the terrorists had won.

And then there was the time I forgot my tickets with my group when I wanted to wander around the airport, just to see the sights (hey, it was a vacation, right?) Bad idea. Apparently only terrorists want to get past the security checkpoints to go to the gates.

And then there was the security checkpoint. Fortunately for me, I quickly learned which metal items in my pockets would set them off and which wouldn't. The rest of my party, however, wasn't so fortunate. One of them got a toenail clipper confiscated. Not the nail-file or the nail-clippers, mind you. Just the toenail clipper. Granted, my set got through the checkpoint without a hitch all four times.

So what am I going to do about all of this? Simple: It's a democratic country, so I'm going to vote against it by not flying whenever possible. I intend to drive to many places, and take a train to others. The upside is that in many cases for local trips, it will actually be more convenient and quicker, because I will not have the checkpoints to deal with, and I won't have to get a rental car.

It's a shame. When I was young, I very much looked forward to flying. Now I loathe it.

traffic (1)

DonkeyJimmy (599788) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232603)

I live in Washington DC, and there are big tanks with army guys holding heavy assault rifels pointed at the roads as you drive by. I actually think this is kind of cool, except everyone goes the stupid speed limit (like they're gonna hop in their tank and give you a ticket)! On most other highways people average closer to 15 over, so it is a big difference. This adds to traffic around rush hour too, but thankfully I don't need to drive on this road most of the time.

Besides that, and the fact that new years was borring because nobody wanted to go to the mall (place in DC) or to New York City, I haven't felt much of the heat dirctly.

Unemployed (1)

HouseKeeping (582255) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232607)

I've been looking for a job for more than three months now. I am nearly finish my graduate program in Information System. My previous job was for school, but I cannot keep the job because I do not have enough credit hours (I am only finishing my thesis). I don't know if this only happen to me or everybody else. I am not a citizen but have the authorization to work in the US. I also don't know if this affects the chance of getting employed.

Well, I lost my job. (1, Informative)

sapped (208174) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232609)

But then again, being a foreigner I suppose I shouldn't have expected anything less. However, in reality it has still made me very angry. I have uprooted my entire family to come and make something better for them over in the US and then this comes along and threatens to wipe my future out.

Now if I was some scumbag then that would be OK, but I just want to put in an honest day's work. And for all you people out there saying that there are a bunch of Americans that want jobs as well please read on. I have seen numerous ads on the jobsites looking for somebody with my skills (ABAP programming) so I apply for these jobs. After a couple of days I follow up. Sometimes I get a reply, sometimes not. If I do get a reply then it is always the same. "We don't employ H1's." Now, some of these same ads have been running for more than 8 weeks. So, they have still not managed to find an American to fit the bill, yet I don't get asked to interview. All this is a direct result of 9/11 as I had no problem getting a job prior to that. People are stupidly paranoid of foreigners all of a sudden.

This makes me sad in a way because I grew up in a country filled with terrorism and the one thing I learnt was this:
The minute you change your lifestyle due to fear then they have already succeeded.

These terrorists don't need to drop a single bomb on the US to further their goals. The media and the government are doing a sterling job of terrifying their citizens all on their own.

End of rant. What can I say? I am frustrated as hell that there are jobs out there and I simply cannot get one of them due to people's fear.

By the way, if somebody does feel like employing a foreign ABAP programmer, then please send me an email. Mod me as you wish.

It Sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232612)

There is a balancing act that must be done. Air travel sucks so bad now I would rather drive. I would feel better with less airport security and airline cockpit doors that can't be busted in.

How it affected me? My wife and son flew to see
grandparents this summer, both were tagged with search at every possible point tickets. So three times in the airport they were pulled aside, questioned, frisked, stuff gone through. Not only that they sperated my wife and son to do this.

My son was 15 months old at the time.

Yeah, stop that killer baby you friggin jerks.
As a result our next vacation will be via car. A 16 hour drive.

I don't know (1)

teslatug (543527) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232615)

That's part of the problem...guess not in a major way yet

pre-opened mail mystery and other problems... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232626)

I help run an 'underground' events group in San Francisco. We do adventures kinda like the suicide club did in the seventies. Urban games, theme parties, and other adventures. It's non-commercial, non-media driven and just exists for fun and because it can.

We publish a semi-monthly newsletter where the upcoming events are announced. It's grown to a few pages now, as is more of a Zine with event announcements within.

We've gotten into having 'theme' newsletters lately. The last two month's themes have been a little 'subversive' if complete jokes; one was a farce on communist propaganda, the other a fake FBI file.

Every single one was pre-opened by someone other than the recipient. They arrived with the seal broken. Now, I know that they have striking and subversive covers (that are obvious jokes when looked at closely) but why would they all arrive pre-opened? We mail out to about a hundred people, and everyone I talk to says that it's arrived pre-opened.

So who's opening them? And why? I'm not paranoid; we are a completely harmless group that breaks no laws. Why would someone be opening zines that have crazy covers? And opening them all?

I'll bite the bullet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232631)

Let me take few things off my chest (and remain anonymous - you never know who reads /.)

As a person who lives in the middle east and see's whats going on in the USA, I can't help but laugh/cry from the situation in USA..

Israeli goverment has been telling to the US officials about the terror activity in U.S - starting from Hammas terrorism activity, all the way to Al-Quaida warning which was sent from the Mossad to the CIA, which -as known- didn't really turned any red lights there..

The American goverment spends trillions of dollars in security, recording terrorists phone, etc - yet they didn't even look for translating people until the 9/11 incidents!

Everyone in ths U.S today complains about security checks. Well, allow me to tell you that the checking that you're going through there are joke, at best! try to fly with El-Al and see what security means!

Looking at the legal decisions that the U.S goverment decided post 9/11 shows that the U.S goverment (yes, Bush goverment) is in Panic and doing EVERYTHING wrong! It's quite amusing to read how officials are asking money because they affraid that Al-Quaida will blow bridges and other facilities - through the Net! of course - they didn't find any proof of that, but that doesn't means they don't want some big (overpriced) funding...

Looking at the situation as it now - Bush wants to go to a war in Iraq. Does he have any proof that Sadam Hussein have any chemical weapons? nope, but that doesn't mean shit to him! he wants war and he wants it now. To the public the goverment tells that this is going to be "piece of cake" with the latest high tech technology - well I'll be damn! look how many of those "smart" bombs were missing targets! over 42% of them missed!

Of course - lets not forget Microsoft with their latest PR spinning - `if we reveal security secrets - Al Quaida will use it to kill/burn/explode lots of facilities!` - I'm shocked! how much people can be stupid there?

Oren

Changed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232636)

Well, everyone still seems to hate the United States, so I guess nothing's changed.

Try being a private pilot these days (5, Informative)

mooneyguy (455024) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232640)

You think internet interests have been hit hard by post 9/11 legislation, trying being a private pilot these days. Despite the fact that this heinous act was conducted with big planes, its the little ones (like the Mooney I own) that are the first ones to be singled out when it comes time to hand down more restrictive measures. Three days after the attacks, the commercial airliners were back in the air. We had to wait a month, and then we were so awash in new and constantly changing regulations that it was impossible to keep up. Imagine taking off for a two hour flight and having the rules change while you're airborn. It was not unusual for a flight to be legal when you took off and illegal by the time it was over. The onslaught of new rules has been so bad that the FAA will run out of 4-digit numbers with which to label them. Yes, we are rapidly approaching federal notam (notice to airman) number 9999, at which point they will have to start numbering them at 0 again.

Remember when they announced they were restricting general aviation flights over nuclear power plants? You know what the official notice from the FAA said? The notice said we were forbidden from flying within 5 miles of a power plant, but then gave us nothing better than a vague description of where those plants were located! So we were told we had to remain clear (and if we didn't we would be intercepted by fighters and possibly shot down) but not told the locations we had to remain clear OF: just city names and vague directions, like "15 miles northwest of Anytown, IL". Even the pilot briefers we called on the phone--the very FAA representatives whose purpose in life is to tell pilots about notams--didn't understand the notices. Depending on who and when you would call you would get a different story about what was legal and what wasn't. And the ATC folks were just as confused. The tower at your departing airport would say your flight is okay, but the one at your destination would declare you in violation of some temporary flight restriction.

Many aviation related business went bankrupt and many more are teetering on the edge as a result of this. The airlines are bad off as we all know, but the small airports are in worse shape. And we are constantly under a cloud of threatened onerous increases in security for our airports: in most cases they are security measures that make no sense at all. Imagine owning property but being subject to a security check before you were allowed to go out to it.

Lots of folks just gave up flying, some temporarily and some permanently. I'm happy to sacrifice for my country, but the sacrifice should have some value. Most of what I've seen in the way of GA restrictions has been meaningless and senseless. And it's not really the restrictions themselves that bother me, but way in which they have been handled.

How its affected me (1)

soapvox (573037) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232647)

I fly every week and when it first happened the lines at SFO were insane, now I just find that the flights are less frequent but the lines are much quicker now that SFO has become more efficient with the searches. I don't think that the skies are much safer but then again I don't think that the terrorist are going to try that again, they would try something different. I also have been affected because as a pacifist I am ostrisized even more so that pre 9/11 and am scared sh!tless how many people just sit buy and watch thier freedoms taken away, daily on slashdot if you post anything even slightly anti war or anti bush you are sure to be told you are stupid when in fact I just don't see a purpose in letting the terrorist win and letting Ashcroft take away my freedoms.

revived enforcement of old policies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4232652)

Not post-9/11 stuff, but more an enforcement of rules that had been ignored.

My school has a large research grant from the Army (not DARPA, the Army, to help make it clear)

Laws/policies/whatever restricting foreign nationals from working on the project were on the books before 9/11, but were never enforced. When I say never, I mean never. Just like PA's law against singing in the shower.

They are now. In about March or so we got a visit form the State Dept advising us of the penalties for allowing foreigners on the project. Result: Everyone on the project is a US citizen or has filed proper paperwork with the INS.

We lost 4 people (3 students, one prof) out of the 10 right away, though one has returned. She was Palestinean, and her paperwork has since been approved, putting her back onto the project. The other 3 were Chinese, Indian, and German. Yes, they kicked citizens of major US allies off the project.

The major fear, as I've been told, is the students taking the knowledge they learn from the project back home with them. Those remaining on the project are not to speak of details outside the lab, though we have no security clearance of any kind or have signed any NDAs.

Oh, and the State Dept has not returned to visit us. Also, that knowledge they were trying to keep is gonna reach foreigners anyway. We have a paper publication comming up, in an internationally published academic journal.

Don't really notice. (1)

LinuxWhore (90833) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232653)

I went to the airport several times this year. They checked my shoes for bombs :-) Other than that, it's been pretty normal.

reactions (1)

byrd77 (171150) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232656)

I re-installed PGP and generated a new key...

How have things changed? (1)

objekt404 (473463) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232664)

dot.commed twice in one year. Hows that for a start?

It hasn't affected people (2)

Kphrak (230261) | more than 11 years ago | (#4232679)

This is almost a flame, but I'd say that from the comments I've seen so far, NO ONE has been really affected. The liberal/civil liberties/privacy types say they've been affected, but if you read further down their comments, they'll all say the same thing: "I worry about our government more than I did before". Not "I got jailed for being a member of an Al-Qaida spin-off cell", and not even "my phone is tapped 24/7 because I read Slashdot and use Linux". In short, those American citizens who are saying they are affected by the laws are "comfortably concerned citizens". Although I'm sure some unscrupulous government droid will use these laws to an evil end, no one seems to have been seriously affected yet.

Of course, a paranoid way of looking at things might be that the reason no one has said anything is that the people affected are either trying to keep a low profile or already are in a top-secret federal prison somewhere....

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