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Interview With Gaël Duval of Mandrake Linux

Hemos posted more than 12 years ago | from the the-french-side-of-things dept.

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jukal writes "Open for Business's Timothy R. Butler talked with Mandrake co-founder Gaël Duval about the company's past, present, and future. Worth a read, clip: "GD: For one year, we had a so-called "World Class Management" team that left us in a very bad financial situation, and engaged the company in ventures (such as e-learning) that we should never have been involved with. But that's all part of our history now, so I'd prefer to not dwell too much on that. ""

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FIRST POST!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234289)

FIRST POST!!!

Re:FIRST POST!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234305)

Bah...I wanted to be first.

yeah, open source, yeah unix, yeah (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234290)

open source is great, linux is great, duval is great

first post!

Another interview with the same guy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234300)

hi mom! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234309)

hi mom!

Girls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234314)

The girls at Digital Teenz [digitalteenz.com] are always world class management. They will get dirty in the offices and work the employee's until satisified. So remember Digital Teenz [digitalteenz.com] for all your porn needs.

Re:Girls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234324)

Does that ever work?

Re:Girls (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234352)

Hell yeah, I got your mom on Digital Teenz [digitalteenz.com] and she seems to like the income that she gets. Of course if your gay you might like something else like The Big Anus [goatse.cx] but otherwise most straight people use Digital Teenz [digitalteenz.com] for their sole source of porn. If you want I can post the basic profile of the people that access Digital Teenz [digitalteenz.com] 's free porn.

Re:Girls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234373)

I'll take that as a no. Also, "your" is possessive. You meant to use "you're".

Re:Girls (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234379)

I kind of like www.bakla.net [bakla.net]

Re:Girls (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234471)

Ugh. ... double ugh. Please tell me it's photoshopped.

Whats your opinion? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234325)

Whats your opinion on the fact that Linux sucks, and always will - and always has?

Hail to BSD.

Re:Whats your opinion? (0, Offtopic)

Ichijo (607641) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234364)

...because? I thought we're supposed to say Windows sucks? I'm so confused! Seriously, though, any victory for Linux is a victory for BSD (and vice-versa). Time for the two camps to learn to play well together.

how funny (4, Funny)

geekoid (135745) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234329)

is it that the saying at the bottom of the /. page was:
"All problems are the fault of the last person who quit, until some else quits"?

"problems? why, there the fault of world class managment, hrumph. hurumph. eveythings fine now though."

I don't know there situation, and this isn't a comment about Mandrake per se, but I founf the coincidence very funny.

Re:how funny (3, Insightful)

Mudhiker (15850) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234478)

And if it's been ages since someone quit and that excuse don't work anymore, blame it on the NEW GUY!

Re:how funny (2, Funny)

mandolin (7248) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234599)

Around here it's "whoever did the last commit, even though it's been busted for months".

Re:how funny (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234802)

Right now I fighting NOT to be the scapegoat... sigh... All old documenation is reviewed. Who said what, who said not, and who did not.

The one to blame is the one who did not have control over the projects documentation.

Re:how funny (2)

G-funk (22712) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234604)

Just blame Tibor!

Off topic but... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234657)

I heard Windows XP had some huge security hole in it where if you visit a website that is loaded with some kind of HTML tag, or if someone sends you ane e-mail that is loaded with this HTML tag (and you have HTML e-mail viewing enabled) that it can delete files off your system. I searched google.com, altavista.com, and read articles on cnet.com, news.com, zdnet.com, and other places and I can't find any information about this. Can someone provide a link and/or more details?

Re:Off topic but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234988)

info [koi.mine.nu]

Re:Off topic but... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4235073)

Holy mother... this has to be the worst Windows hole I've ever seen in my life!! Why isn't this getting any attention?????

The WTC BOMBING IS A HOAX. DON'T BE FOOLED. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234684)

We've all seen the news coverage surrounding the anniversary of September 11, 2001. It amazes me that so many allegedly "educated" people have allowed themselves to be so swiftly deluded by a fraudulent fabrication of such ridiculous proportions. The very idea that not one, but two jumbo jets would crash themselves into a famous New York skyscraper -- in broad daylight with vigilant air-traffic controllers and tight airport security watching every move of every craft in the air -- is laughable. Furthermore, it is a horrendous affront to the world-renowned intellect and common sense of the American people. The fact that anyone could actually believe this is evidence that the Liberals -- after decades of waging war against intellectual integrity and honesty -- have finally ripped the few remaining, tenuous strands of control of our educational system from full-blooded, hard-working, God-fearing Americans.

As such wonderful documentaries as The Siege have so articulately exposed, the Liberal masterminds in Berkeley and their toadies throughout the nation have been silently waging war against the American people and their God-given rights to protect themselves, their worship, their family values, and their hard work. Much of this has been conducted under the guise of preventing "terrorism", a meaningless word engineered by radical left-wingers specifically to bring fear into the hearts of honest Americans. Think about it -- can you remember any reference to so-called "terrorism" that occurred before Liberals invaded our government offices in the last decade? Of course you can't, because despite whatever the revisionist histories may tell you, there is no mention of any "terrorism" in classic literature before 1980. Only then did the neo-Marxists invent such absurd figures as Timothy McVeigh and Osama Bin Laden in order to legitimize their anti-freedom agenda, drowning the spirit of the American people in a blatantly-engineered machine of fear and mourning for "victims" of these "terrorist attacks".

In fact, it should be incredibly obvious that the concept of a 110-story building even being built, much less two, is a clear and obvious fraud. No documentation that these "twin towers" existed before a "terrorist attack" occured on September the 11th. I've recently been to New York, and there are no such towers, no rubble, no debris, nothing. I doubt any of you have ever seen these buildings in person either. There is no trace of these "twin towers", save for the manipulated imagery and photographs put forth by the media. Due to this hoax, perpetrated by the Liberal-controlled media, people all over the world mourned the loss of thousands of people. Innocent men and women, some brainwashed by the left-wing education institutions, others knowingly taking part in the deception, gave firsthand accounts of losing "relatives" they never had.

But the most outrageous aspect of this hoax is the "Pentagon" -- a supposed government office located outside of Washington, D.C., conveniently distant from downtown D.C. Liberal media claims this building to be "the center of America's defense system", although obviously an organization as proud and God-fearing as the United States Military would never think to station themselves in a building of five sides, so obviously close to the pentagram, mark of Lucifer himself. It is insulting to the nation's intelligence that eight hundred members of the world's proudest institution would be made to meet their Lord inside such a demonic symbol, by something as graceful, efficient, and secure as our country's fine aviation system.

Don't let the devious tricks of the Liberals allow you, a citizen of the greatest nation this Earth has ever or will ever know, to surrender your freedoms. Any lesser nation would have succumbed to their wills long ago, and indeed the socialist states in Europe already have. It is only the superior resilience, pride, and intellect of America that has allowed it to withstand the constant threat of Liberal control.

Freedom is deserved only by the vigilant. Don't let them pull at your heart-strings with this fraud. God Bless America.

Reminds me of the two letters joke (3, Funny)

PaxTech (103481) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234918)

The outgoing CEO sits down with his replacement and hands him two letters and says "You may get into some trouble you can't get yourself out of in this job. The first time it happens, open this letter. If it happens again, open this second letter."

Sure enough, the new CEO gets into some hot water in about a year and decides he has to open the first letter. Inside it says "Blame everything on me." He goes out and blames everything on his predecessor and the problem goes away.

Some more time passes and the CEO gets into some more hot water. He opens the second letter. Inside it says "Sit down and write two letters..."

Intel/Windows2000 is clearly the winner over sun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4235161)

The need for these Sun boxes is not there, Intel is the Chip leader is the Server Market, just walk through the Data Center, it is full of Intel!

Plus, Microsoft, they have the best eBusiness solutions software.

Re:Intel/Windows2000 is clearly the winner over su (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4235183)

Why does anyone need sun Microsystems anymore? Intel processors are now running at workstation and server speeds. You can cluster Windows 2000 Advanced Server and Windows 2000 Data Center to surpass the SunFire offering in terms of cost, performance, and interoperability. Once .NET Servers are unleashed onto the world, Sun won't be able to provide the needed Palladium support required to interact with the internet community because all sites will require Palladium copy protection to prevent theft of material.

Windows is the most secure OS out there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4235211)

Based on the number of users divided by the number of vulnerabilities. Imagine if your parents and kids had to configure Linux! There would be so much chaos because of improperly configured systems that the whole computing world would stop. The reason Windows is perceived to be insecure is that most people don't know anything about computers, and STILL Microsoft has only a limited number of problems.

Remember Grandma, and Junior aren't computer scientists and they can still run Windows securely. If they tried to configure Linux, Unix, or Solaris they would screw it up folks. We would have service packs up to the wazoo.

Sincerely,

Martin Marvinski, MCSD, MCSE, MS

Any how does mandrake going to rock red hat (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234332)

i heard mandrake is way easier than red hat is that true. Right now i use windows 3.1!

name (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234334)

Get a real name, ya fucking foreigner. We don't take kindly to goobly-gook in names.

here you go... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234336)

Slashdotted already, here's a mirror--

mirror [ofb.biz]

I'd like to give props to mandrake (1, Redundant)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234337)

They do deserve credit as they best distro linux can muster for the desktop.

10 concise reasons why Mandrake is untrustworthy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4235239)

All 10 are:
They have not fully funded the OPEN SOURCE LINUX MOVEMENT to get it ported to my xbox.

Desktop Linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234380)

Linux on the desktop is really starting to move quickly, with a lot of demand coming from corporations who wish to migrate their workstations to Linux. Several other deals are also in the pipeline.

But Linux/OEM remains a big challenge because there is a lot of pressure from Microsoft to prevent its success. There is also the fact that Linux users like to stuff large sausages up their rectums [goatse.cx] , and this is an inhibitor to the growth of the Linux Desktop.

My prejudice (0, Flamebait)

Tester (591) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234413)

I've been around for quite a while and to me Mandrake is still RedHat+KDE.. Or as I like to call it "unethical RedHat". And everytime I see something about them I have that prejudice. Even tho I've seen their recent distribution and they seemed quite good as a desktop distribution...

Am I the only one?

Re:My prejudice (3, Insightful)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234450)

Or as I like to call it "unethical RedHat".

Considering that Mandrake has a much stronger policy regarding Free Software than Red Hat, I find that interesting.

Either that, or IHBT.

Re:My prejudice (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234541)

Considering that Mandrake has a much stronger policy regarding Free Software than Red Hat, I find that interesting

OK, exactly what is that policy?

I have a box edition of Mandrake, which includes a bunch of closed-source software, including IBM's viavoice.

Re:My prejudice (1)

kfishy (534087) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234667)

What do you expect? That's the whole point of having a downloadable version and a retail version, so that the version they sell would contain all those goodies that are not available in the "free" version.

Mandrake is already one of the biggest supporter of opensource, and until every single programmer/company in this world stops developing/using proprietary software, I think the actions of Mandrake and other commercial distributions are justified.

Re:My prejudice (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234826)

OK, exactly what is that policy?

Mandrake refuses to put any software that does not qualify as Free Software into their download edition. This includes configuration tools and the installer, all of which are GPL'd (work is being done by some to port the Mandrake tools to Debian, among other distros). Mandrake only makes non-Free software available on their retail boxes or to Club Members.

Re:My prejudice (2)

decefett (127257) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234857)

Yeah but how does that give them a much stronger policy regarding Free Software than Red Hat who have also always made their tools GPL and AFAIK distribute no non-free software at all?

Re:My prejudice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234904)

Didn't Red Hat try to get a software patent recently?

Re:My prejudice (5, Insightful)

HaggiZ (68526) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234452)

Yep

Why is it unethical? I remember as a newbie I had lots of problems getting X up and running in slackware, and just generally having how I want. So I tried RedHat, that was a lot easier. Then I gave KDE a shot, and woah!! Wasn't that a breeze!!

I fail to see why just because it was easier, it was "unethical". Things shouldn't have to be difficult just because they can be.

I think many other newbies are the same as me, and maybe it's a sad reflection of my generation, but slackware (and at times redhat) took too long to do what I wanted when I was learning. I want to make some changes, compile, see the difference. I dont want hours upon hours of trawling config files when I'm learning, I want immediate reflection of my actions so I can learn it quicker.

Once I'm learning it, and starting to actually understand what I'm doing... then I'm willing to spend hours understanding it in more depth.

More power to KDE, if it wasn't for them I probably would have walked away altogether, and I'm sure many others are the same.

Re:My prejudice (2)

Doomdark (136619) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234626)

I think poster didn't mean ease-of-use being unethical, but more the idea of starting not from scratch but by using somebody else's distribution as the starting point (in this case, Red Hat)? That is, attitude along the lines "but isn't it just a RedHat rip-off with KDE"?

Re:My prejudice (2)

jred (111898) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234970)

I kinda thought that was part of the point of open source. I know I've heard "if you don't like it, fork & do what you want with it (provide the source if you distribute)" before.

Re:My prejudice (5, Insightful)

TheTomcat (53158) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234468)

to me Mandrake is still RedHat+KDE ... Am I the only one?

I used to think the same thing.

I'm a pretty die-hard Debian fan (100% of my server installations have been Debian for the last year). However, when Woody came out, officially, I tore my desktop apart (time for a backup of critical and wipe of the garbage I'd been collecting). I tried Woody.. liked it just as much as any debian I'd tried (started with slink)... I I also decided to try Mandrake9.0beta (since my machine was in a "confused" state, anyway).

I've used Mandrake before (7.1+). It was always "decent", but had its problems.. I must say I'm impressed with 9.0, and I'm running GNOME on top of it right now, as my primary (home) desktop, as I type.

It's no longer just Redhat + KDE. RedHat can do that on its own.

With 9.0, my opinion is that Mandrake is finally holding its own. It's actually decent to work with, and while I miss apt-get (and can't find a decent MDK-9 apt-rpm repository) greatly, I honestly can't be bothered trying to get all my stuff working on Debian, where with Mandrake, it all works nearly out of the box. And it's no longer impossible to find config files (they're starting to be, for the most part, where you'd expect them).

I'm not bashing Debian, by any means.. just praising Mandrake (9).

S

Re:My prejudice (1)

leviramsey (248057) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234556)

while I miss apt- get (and can't find a decent MDK-9 apt-rpm repository) greatly

Have you tried urpmi?

or rpmdrake ; ) (1)

Idou (572394) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235057)

I know this is dumb advice to a Debian user, but the graphical frontend to urpmi should work pretty well if you don't want to bother with the CLI version. Please ignore if not applicable ; )

Re:My prejudice (2, Informative)

Apostata (390629) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234617)

You might already know this by now, but the Mandrake version of apt-get is 'urpmi'. So long as you have sources set up in MandrakeUpdate/rpmdrake, you can launch urpmi at any time to update any package.

FYI...not preaching or anything. If you'd like more info on urpmi, feel free to contact me (taking a look at my spam-free email address first of course).

Re:My prejudice (2)

deander2 (26173) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234646)

ahhh... the sweet sweet juice of a fresh debian server. how i love thee...

seriously tho - setting up a debian server as I post (apt-getting apache-ssl right now). making $70/hr to do it from my livingroom couch...

recession? i know no stinkin' recession! LIFE IS GOOD! :)


<dawning-flame-retardent-3-piece-suit/>
<watch-karma-drop-like-rock/>

Re:My prejudice (1)

phatvibez (518108) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234968)

There are no apt-rpm repositories for MDK-9 probably because MDK-9 hasn't actually been released yet...

on that note though Texstar of PCLinuxOnline.com has brought Synaptic/apt-rpm stuff from Connectiva over to Mandrake 8.2 and provides an apt-rpm repository.

I am sure he will do the same for MDK-9 when it finally gets released!

Re:My prejudice (1)

fcrozat (444723) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235024)

You don't need apt-get on MandrakeLinux, just use urpmi instead..

Re:My prejudice (4, Informative)

Afrosheen (42464) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234603)

"Am I the only one?"

In a word, yes. You may have been around for awhile but you obviously haven't tried Mandrake for years. They ceased being Redhat+KDE about 2 years ago.

Mandrake has steadily built a strong foundation over the years of opensource tools it readily shares with others. Rpmdrake, harddrake, drakgw (the gateway/internet sharing frontend), there are dozens of good tools.

Mandrake also tries to stay as free as possible, as in speech and as in beer. The only cash they care about now is the cash that feeds their developers. Reading the article pretty much reveals this point better than I can express it though.

Bottom line: Mandrake != Redhat+KDE.

Re:My prejudice (3)

Hercynium (237328) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234614)

Mandrake is still RedHat+KDE

Amendment to your statement sir: Mandrake is RedHat+KDE+more flexible installation+insane internationalization support+excellent config tools+an upgrade procedure that *actually* works! (at least for me, it did)

Not only am I using Mandrake on the desktop, I'm beginning to get friends into it w/ dual booting and jut today I used their minimum installation option for a server and I was *highly* pleased at how compact and easy it was. Last RedHat ver I tried was 7.1 and the same config would have probably forced me to install 500+ meg of software, vs. only 150 for mandrake and I splurged on documentation packages and some other niceties I wouldn't have otherwise! (this box will be doing mac&windows file sharing, as well as doubling as a mysql+php test server. Don't ask me why, ask the client.)

Re:My prejudice (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234633)

No, but I've other reasons. Aside from the 'We're the saviors of Linux on the desktop!' attitude of a large percentage of their users*..

They all but asked for donations. A for-profit company doing this.. Heh. Could you imagine letters from Microsoft asking you to join their spiffy club because they need more money? They'd be laughed off of the face of Wall Street.

If that wasn't bad enough, anyone remember an "official" press release on the Mandrake site? It was linked by Slashdot, oh, a few months back. The release in question referred to Microsoft as 'Micro$oft'.

Childish. Of course, one might view my disgust at various types of zealots as childish - but then, I'm not running a for-profit entity, nor am I expressing my disgust in official documents.

* It should be noted that this can be found in users of Gnome and KDE as well, and also actual developers scattered around various projects. Erm, please - I don't see the masses rushing out and trashing their MS/Apple/etc. platforms for OpenKGManShinyDesktop yet. :p

Re:My prejudice (2)

cornice (9801) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234676)

You're not the only one but you need to look harder because you are prejudiced. The Mandrake team had done some fine work and it's not just a desktop distro anymore. I suspect that I'll get flamed by a number of other people who refuse to even try Mandrake but oh well. Mandrake has put together an up to date, secure, easy to install, easy to upgrade, feature rich distribution. That takes a lot of work regardless of the fact that they forked off RedHat some years ago. They have a strong support community as well. Their business model is a bit odd... I don't really think that a company that's based on a "street performer philosophy" should focus much on stock prices. Anyway, although I'm a big fan of Debian, Gentoo and some of the micro disros I still enjoy my Mandrake boxes and I look forward to 9.0.

Me TOO! (1)

Idou (572394) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234849)

"Am I the only one?"

I totally agree!

1. Kernel 2.4 -> Rip off of Kernel 2.2

2. Bash -> Rip off of Bourne Shell

3. . . .

Or maybe that's the point? Don't "reinvent" the wheel. We're talking about "GPL and friends" software, right? Everything is a "Rip off" of something else. That's how the code doesn't get "wasted".

And, if Mandrake never added anything new, they would have disappeared. But . . . they added a lot of things that *some people* found valuable (I know you don't . . . but you're not the only one here).

And, if you wanted, you could create your own distro based on Mandrake, but you probably would not be able to convert the users that the current Mandrake appeals to . . . some might call your ditro a rip-off, regardless of how many new features you added. But, you might, just might, meet the needs of some folks that the other distros (including Mandrake) didn't. So who cares? Maybe one flavor of OS is not enough for 6 billion people. If everyone only wanted Mandrake (or Redhat), why aren't they all using it?

best noise to signal ratio ever! (0)

jrs 1 (536357) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234416)

18 posts and only 2 worth even considering reading!

Re:best noise to signal ratio ever! (0)

Opie812 (582663) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234700)

...and yours aint one of them

Mandrake Business Plan revealed! (3, Funny)

KNicolson (147698) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234429)

Plan v1.0

1. Employ "World-class Management"
2. ???
3. Profit!

Oops, that didn't work, let's try v2.0

1. ???
2. ???
3. Profit!

Re:Mandrake Business Plan revealed! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234551)

1. Employ "World Class Management"
2. Blow great wads of cash
3. Figure out Andre Boisvert is really a self-serving idiot
4. Fire Andre
5. On the road to recovery
6. Profit???

Oh, God, they're doomed! (2)

1010011010 (53039) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234665)

Press Release [vasoftware.com]

Andre M. Boisvert to Join VA Software's Board of Directors

FREMONT, Calif. -- March 20, 2002 -- VA Software Corporation (Nasdaq:LNUX), provider of the Source Forge(TM) collaborative software development platform, today announced that Andre M. Boisvert, former President of SAS Institute Inc. and software industry veteran, has joined the VA Software Board of Directors. [after being fired from everywhere else]

Re:Oh, God, they're doomed! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234756)

haha. I work for a company that just came out of being bankrupt and let me tell you that I saw some of the worst executives alive. These fuckers pop in and out of loser companies and, amazingly, keep getting hired. We had guys that would never show up, others that would leave every day at noon, take constant long weekends, and one guy who used to have his assistants cover for him while he went to go have sex with his stripper girlfriend.

Now that we are out, it seems like the normal execs have come back in. They now show up, work long days, and are pretty usefull.

I work at a pretty big company - still in the fortune 1000 and most likely back in the fortune 500 sometime next year.

Re:Mandrake Business Plan revealed! (1)

Libor Vanek (248963) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234605)

v3.0

1. Create free Linux distro
2. Ask community for dotations
3. Profit!

OK, a bit sarcastic ;)

Re:Mandrake Business Plan revealed! (0, Redundant)

hendridm (302246) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234685)

I'm starting to think y'all just mod the clearly REDUNDANT profit jokes to annoy those who protest against them.

+1 Funny Plan revealed! (-1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234760)

1. Post this.
2. ???
3. +1 Funny!

That joke is getting old.

Re:Don't you know better than to use a .0 (1)

knowsnotmuch (241929) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235120)

Come on, its unfair to quote failure of X.0 releases - everyone gets things right only with .2 - look at mandrake 8.2

Mandrake the Magician (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234434)

The Mandrake logo features a magician's top hat and a magic wand. What connection does this have to the famous cartoon Mandrake the Magician? [toonopedia.com] The name, the logo, and the magic theme seem to be an unlike conincidence. I wonder if Mandrake Linux will 'fess up and admit that they borrowed a little something from Mandrake the Magician.

Sad day ... Stephen King dead (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234438)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Idiots (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234451)

Anyone who still reads slashdot is a *&(*@&#$ moron. Are you people actually paying for this garbage?

Wichita Horror: Savage sub-human Negroes on trial (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234485)

'Wichita Horror' trial to begin

Monday September 9, 2002. When Reginald and Jonathan Carr go on trial today for a crime spree now known as the "Wichita Horror," there probably won't be any mention of race. But that doesn't mean the people of Wichita won't be thinking about it.

The Carr brothers are charged with a whopping 113 counts stemming from the murders of five Wichitans in December 2000, including the execution-style slayings of four young roommates on a frozen soccer field. Because the Carrs are black and their victims white, many observers expected the brothers to be charged with hate crimes. When the District Attorney's Office failed to do so, it touched off accusations of racial favoritism and a flood of angry letters and e-mails from as far away as Europe.

That sense of racial injustice was exacerbated by the dearth of national media attention on the crime. Although the Associated Press covered the story, only a handful of newspapers outside Kansas picked it up, even though locals said the murders were arguably as horrific as those of James Byrd in Texas or Matthew Shepherd in Wyoming.

"If this had been two white males accused of killing four black individuals, the media would be on a feeding frenzy and every satellite news organization would be in Wichita doing live reports," said Trent Hungate of Wichita in a letter to the Wichita Eagle shortly after the crime. District Attorney Nola Foulston argued that she couldn't charge the brothers with hate crimes because Kansas had no hate-crimes statute. Furthermore, the prosecution is seeking the death penalty, which cannot be enhanced by hate-crimes status.

Still, accusations of a double standard have persisted. "To say 'They'd get the death penalty anyway' mitigates the whole purpose of having hate-crimes statutes," said Lou Calabro of the European-American Issues Forum in San Francisco. "Often a criminal will get 102 years or more, and what's the point of that?" he said. "The whole purpose of having them is that it's more serious to attack a racial group than just a guy."

The only network to cover the Wichita killings is Court TV, which plans coverage of the trial from Sedgwick County District Court following jury selection, which begins today. A jury pool of 517 persons -- a county record -- has been selected for interviews, a process that is expected to take about two weeks.

The problem is finding a dozen people who haven't already made up their minds about the crime. The defense, which tried unsuccessfully to move the trial, released a survey earlier this year showing that 74 percent of county residents said the Carrs were either "guilty" or "definitely guilty." Even so, Paul Cromwell, a professor of criminal justice at Wichita State University, said he was confident that District Court Judge Paul Clark would be able to seat an impartial jury.

"It might have been difficult two years ago, but I think they can get a fair trial now," he said. "It's hard to find someone who hasn't read about it or heard about it, but the fever pitch is gone, although that hasn't diminished the seriousness of the crime."

Key to the prosecution's success will be the testimony of H.G., a young woman now known only by her initials and the sole survivor of the Dec. 15, 2000, attack. In an April 16, 2001, deposition, she told the court that the Carrs broke into the townhouse where she and four friends, all in their 20s, were winding down after a day of work. She said the Carrs forced her and her friend Heather Muller, 25, at gunpoint to perform sex acts on each other, then instructed their three male friends to have sex with them, then raped the women themselves. The brothers drove the five to an ATM to withdraw money from their accounts and then to the snowy soccer field at about 2 a.m.

The Carrs told the five to kneel in the snow with their backs to them, then shot them in the head one by one. Somehow, H.G. survived, and after the brothers drove away, she ran naked across the frozen field to seek help. The Carrs are also accused of shooting and killing a local cellist, Linda Ann Walenta, in a robbery attempt outside her home four days earlier. They face additional robbery charges for an ATM robbery earlier that month.

Judge Clark refused defense motions for separate trials for the brothers, leading to speculation that the two could try to save themselves by pointing fingers at each other. The Carrs, both from nearby Dodge City, Kan., are also expected to argue that they were nowhere near the scene of the weeklong crime spree.

AMD, Mandrake, MS and DRM, (1, Informative)

ronaldcromwell (596642) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234508)

In the interview, Duval says:
Nowadays, Mandrake Linux is in the "top 5" of Linux distributions with partners such as HP, IBM, AMD, and other big players.
With AMD supposedly supporting paradigm, how does "free software" fit into the equation? Will MS try to make AMD cut it's ties with Mandrake? Will they try to get some sort of DRM put into Mandrake? Any ideas?

Re:AMD, Mandrake, MS and DRM, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234531)

Yeah, here is an idea:

This story is for trolls, so shut the hell up and go away

Re:AMD, Mandrake, MS and DRM, (0, Offtopic)

Sp4c3 C4d3t (607082) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234576)

Would it not violate an MS patent if they did?

What Killed *BSD ?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234524)

One undeniable truth, upon which we all can agree, is the fact that *BSD is dying. But why? What are the reasons for its catastrophic failure? Why did *BSD fail? Once you get past the fact that *BSD is fragmented between a myriad of incompatible kernels, there is the historical record of failure and of failed operating systems. *BSD experienced moderate success about 15 years ago in academic circles. Since then it has been in steady decline. We all know *BSD keeps losing market share but why? Is it the problematic personalities of many of the key players? Or is it larger than their troubled personalities?

The record is clear on one thing: no operating system has ever come back from the grave. Efforts to resuscitate *BSD are one step away from spiritualists wishing to communicate with the dead. As the situation grows more desperate for the adherents of this doomed OS, the sorrow takes hold. An unremitting gloom hangs like a death shroud over a once hopeful *BSD community. The hope is gone; a mournful nostalgia has settled in. Now is the end time for *BSD.

Love the Work You're Doing, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234542)

Why you gotta go appropriating Red Hat?

Mandrake Foundation (5, Interesting)

InodoroPereyra (514794) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234547)

I read this article earlier and submitted the story myself. What really caught my attention was this paragraph:

For the future, we are thinking about a "Mandrake Foundation" which would be a non-profit organization that focuses on developing the Mandrake Linux distribution exclusively. It would be financed partly by Club memberships and/or donations and/or by a "Street performer"-like system, and partly by companies that make money with Mandrake products, including MandrakeSoft. We think this approach would be much clearer for everyone to understand, and would also provide a more secure future for the Mandrake Linux distribution. It would also help MandrakeSoft become a more successful and profitable company by cutting most of its development costs.

Uou. That is to me some pretty cool idea. I am not sure this is the way to go, but it sounds promising. The other viable model for Mandrake would be to sell solutions (customized desktop environments plus support) to big companies, which is what redhat seems to be trying to do with their upcoming "corporate desktop" thing. Mandrake should go ahead in the same direction. They have a much more polished desktop product.

Why not e-learning? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234588)

I fail to see why the company shouldn't have been involved in e-learning - or is making money not one of their objectives?

Re:Why not e-learning? (2)

Doomdark (136619) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234636)

Perhaps there was no money to be made from e-learning related products/services? Or is there something fundamentally profitable in e-learning that I haven't heard of?

World Class Management - Intira (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234589)

Is there a World Class Management pool? Some common recruiting agency for World Class Management?

Intira supposedly had a world class management team too. Poor retreads from Motorola, Iridium and Ascend.

Now it's part of divine. Yet another group of World Class Management.

Ha. Screwups. This company has 250+ people in managed services in Texas. Clueless.

I don't mean to go too far off topic. Why are a bunch of stupid microsoft guys deciding how unix/linux systems are being run in DMS? OK. So at last I'm back to Unix. Their *nix screwups, poor designs, and crappy .net web services software make me laugh though. World Class Managment is good at building and protecting empires. The TX operation is mostly a group of empires waiting to be destroyed.

When will the World Class Management end? After all the companies die? After these world class managers lose their companies, do they go into a world class management recycling bin? Who pimps these guys for large salaries and relative incompetence? And maybe more importantly, why can't senior management or board members not able to detect the foul stench? Is it greed, stupidity, or a con job disguised by tech that purposely seek to fool upper management.

One thing that you can't say about Microsoft is that it has succumbed to this. I mean as much as I don't like them. I'm always kind of blown away when I meet their senior guys. They are pretty darn good.

Why is it that lower tier Linux or other tech orgs just can't get it together with respect to management. Yeah, they don't have the money that Microsoft has, but think about all the senior guys that these companies get. I can't even blame the 30 year old techies who became managers. I don't really think they were necessarily the problem. I've seen it with all the middle age twits that have run these companies into the ground, if not from a senior management point of view, then at least from a board direction.

What is the cure to World Class Management? What causes this malady of mediocrity?

take back you life and new vigor is in your body (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234594)

I think constricting anus 100 times and denting navel 100 times in succession everyday is effective to good-bye depression and take back youth. You can do so at a boring meeting or in a subway. I have known a 70-year-old man who has practiced it for 20 years. As a result, he has a good complexion and has grown 20 years younger. His eyes sparkle. He is full of vigor, happiness and joy. He has neither complained nor born a grudge under any circumstance. Furthermore, he can make wind three times in succession without drawing out.

What a bunch of crap (3, Flamebait)

Screaming Lunatic (526975) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234601)

GD: For one year, we had a so-called "World Class Management" team that left us in a very bad financial situation, and engaged the company in ventures (such as e-learning) that we should never have been involved with. But that's all part of our history now, so I'd prefer to not dwell too much on that.

The above quote is the answer to one question out of about a dozen. 3 lines out of a 150 line article. And is misrepresenative of the article. Duval answers the question and moves on. He tries not to bitch, he tries not to complain. What's this "I love X distro, Mandrake sucks!" crap?

I mod this Slashdot story -1 Troll. Despite the fact it was a decent interview.

If you don't use Mandrake that's fine. Is it kind of a Newbie-Linux distro? You could argue that. It was the first distro I used.

There is place in the Linux-world for as many distros as anyone wants to put out. Deal with it.

LINUX SUCKS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234610)

APPLE SUCKS PENIS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234658)

APPLE is the faggot computer. Mac is the faggot OS.

Re:APPLE SUCKS PENIS (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234687)

Man drake is the lover of the faggot OS.

Tux will shove his magic wand into APPLE's man pussy.

Oh yeah, and LP.

IP Banned - Interesting... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234699)

An associate of mine was banned and asked to contact jamie@slashdot.org to plead a case. In looking at the 'authors' section of slashdot, it shows jamie as being "a programmer, currently slinging Linux perl for the Sinister VA Keiretsu".

Even more interesting is that this fools website shows screen captures running OS X *and* he has some holocaust website pleading some jew cause. I must ask "is jamie the slashdot nazi I hear everyone talkin about?".

Lastly, it shows him involved in the censorware project. Little weasel...

Slashdot moderators/nazis, if you don't like what anons post, require registration. Otherwise, fuck off you censoring mofo's. If you get criticism over some postings, moderate it appropriately and inform those insulted souls to set proper preferences (which they should do in the first place if they didn't have their heads up their asses).

god damn kilogram, how do ya figga? i don wanna be called yo nigga?

-Flava Flav

Mandrake Club is a charity (4, Insightful)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234718)

I was one of the people who responded to Duval's call in March. I thought I was doing a good thing (and actually still am)- giving some money to the company who created the distribution I had been using for one year on a couple of computers. The fact that I was getting something extra for my money was an even bigger incentive

The months have passed and I have discovered that the "benefits" were only marketing "painting"

the extra rpms were in their vast majority obtainable from their vendors

StarOffice 6.0 - well, you actually pay for it. Only 120$+ members can get it, not the 60$ ones

the unsupported rpms, made by volunteers, sometimes cause more trouble than .tar.gz source compiling

direct trading ? yeah sure, what a benefit. Even if I were investing with my heart, I would still prefer a regular stock market.

not to mention that we, mandrake club members, don't even have a priority ftp!


Overall, I don't consider I was ripped off. The quality of Mandrake is reasonably good. And because the distro is so user-friendly I'm actually migrating my girlfriend to Linux as well (with some Codeweavers help). But there's no real advantage in MDK Club, and I fear the worst for Mandrake in the next year, when the 2001 March memberships will expire.


The Raven

Re:Mandrake Club is a charity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234917)

It really pisses me off when I hear this bitching from people who don't get any special previlages for their donations. They seem to forget that they got a great OS for nothing (download). I will reup my membership next and maybe kick in a little more. I don't consider it charity, just respect to the people at Mandrake. They make a fine product for the community and it is time for the community to give a little back.

I also became a member (5, Insightful)

Idou (572394) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235033)

Eventually put in 120 bucks . . .

-The extra downloads are "extra" (consist of commercial packages) and only attainable from the Mandrake packaged distro not the mirrors. I don't think other vendors let you download Star Office.
-Star Office is like $72 . . . you wanted it for $60 and were considering this charity?(for who?)
-unsupported rpms are "unsupported," but I haven't had any trouble (are you using urpmi?). Plus, I found Mplayer that way, which has been worth the $120 (since I don't have enought time to find such software on my own)
-direct trading only applies if you wanna own their stock, but this really is a revolution in the trading of equity (all they did is put up a little system that allows you to trade stock at volumes as low as 50 shares, without having to pay a 3rd party commission. Nothing special EXCEPT no other company seems to be doing this . . . ). So let me get this straight . . . if you had the choice, you would prefer to pay a 3rd party commission just to buy a stock that you have already decided to buy?
- As far as the priority ftp goes . . . it is unfortunate. However, if you spent some time reading posts at mandrakeclub you would know that something of that nature appears to be in the works . . .

I'm sorry the club isn't what you expected but calling it charity seems a bit of an extreme. I wish you could be more specific about what you want out of the club instead of what you don't like.

". . . I fear the worst for Mandrake in the next year, when the 2001 March memberships will expire."

Mandrake 9.0 seems like it will bring in a lot of new members and another 13 new members joined in the last 24 hours so it doesn't seem as bad as you think. Of course, spreading your discontent here, instead of at Mandrakeclub really isn't helping the situation much (though I am sure a lot of mandrake folks visit slashdot on a regular basis).

In conclusion, I really just joined at first to help insure that the distro would continue. The "services" (call them what you like) were really just extra treats. Since I graduated college, I really don't have time to fool around with Linux the way I used to. My job, though it pays well, treats me like a drone and does not allow me to implement most of what I learned during my days in college (both from classes and from playing with Linux). Mandrake is easy enough for me to still play with during my short breaks and the mandrakeclub allows me to give something back since I don't have enough time to learn how to code. Oddly, I don't consider either side of the realationship to be "charity."

Re:Mandrake Club is a charity (2)

robson (60067) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235250)

I agree regarding Mandrake Club. I've resolved that it's enough for me to buy the boxed versions of Mandrake's major releases (so far that's the "Gaming Edition", 8.2, and the upcoming 9.0 DVD.) At about $60 a pop, that seems like a reasonable arrangement. I get a good OS for a (relative) beginner, and they get an extra $60 a year and my brand loyalty.

Change in Mandrake's marketing attitude (1)

alain1234 (540592) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234783)

Compare the download page one year ago [archive.org] and now [linux-mandrake.com]

Re:Change in Mandrake's marketing attitude (1)

Jason O'Neil (607723) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234900)

I emailed them, and you can actually go right on through without paying (According to their support team)
But they still should at least have a "I don't want to donate, but I want the software" button.

Re:Change in Mandrake's marketing attitude (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234922)

Also in the top left is their stock ticker price from when the mirror was taken and from today. That should tell you something about their new marketing attitude.

Re:Change in Mandrake's marketing attitude (1)

Gabrill (556503) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235001)

Yeah it doesn't exactly sound free, now does it? *pause for 20 secs to avoid robot filter*

Re:Change in Mandrake's marketing attitude (2, Insightful)

tres (151637) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235101)

I don't know how long it may have taken a genius like you, but it took all of two seconds to figure out that, yes I can download, and no, I don't have to pay for it.

What do you think that Mandrake is supposed to let you download without knowing that people's livelihoods rely on your payment? Do you think they should take you out to dinner too?

For someone who wants to USE their computer, Mandrake has the best distribution out there. There's a small learning curve compared to your other "high performance" Linux distros. They should get paid for that, or at least you should acknowledge that yes, you do want to take from the mouths of the people that put it together.

Mandrake sells Free software. They've held up to their end of the bargain. Schmucks like you who'd prefer to i-opener Mandrake and then bitch when they make you think about it should just go back to downloading your Warezed OS of choice and leave the good-guys alone.

I for one appreciate the value added by Mandrake. I appreciate that they are trying to protect the interests of the company by letting freeloaders^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H downloaders know that they are, in fact, abusing the system upon which they rely.

You schmucks should go back to Warez; give the little guys a chance before you i-opener them into oblivion.

Managing open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234870)

I don't know, is anybody qualified to manage open source projects? I mean, its a completely different business model.

Official Statement from a Mandrake User (1)

antisocial77 (74255) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234911)

I love Mandrake. It never gave me any problems with the install, it works incredibly well for all of my normal desktop needs, and it helps me with my Calc homework. I've also heard it works well in the server environment, which I never get to try out since I live in a backwards hick town that has little use for anything other than Windows.

If Mandrake says they had problems with a third-party management team, I believe them. They have yet to give me a reason not to.

"World Class Managment Team" (5, Informative)

namespan (225296) | more than 12 years ago | (#4234923)

Malcom Gladwell of the New Yorker [newyorker.com] recently wrote an article [gladwell.com] about some of the problems with "World Class" management teams, and in general, certain myths revolving around the concept of "talent". It's an excellent read.

Re:"World Class Managment Team" (2)

davidu (18) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235062)

Slashdot'ers read The NewYorker?

Really, I'm shocked.

Anyways, that was a *great* article and hopefully it will get more slashdot readers to think about reading some real articles. (well researched op/ed, features, etc)

It's nice to see some people get it and realize that while a college degree *IS* worth something and does speak about commitment and a certain base level of info, it does not mean that GPA==success. I've seen it over and over again, especially in CS -- people who do the best in CS do the worst in the real world and are forced to stay within the towers of academia. As this article points out, the same is apparently true for business.

-davidu

-davidu

yes.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234973)

Refusing to even TRY mandrake.. whoa.. talk about some fucked up eliteist thinking.

I like Mandrake (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4234997)

I see people saying that they don't like this distribution or that distribution and how they don't want to pay for so and so distribution because they don't use it. If you look at the maintainers of the different components (RPMs, debs, etc. or rather look at the ChangeLogs within the tarballs.) is that all these different companies are furthing GNU Linux development. You'll see @mandrake.com, @redhat.com, etc in all the software that we all use.

Because of this, I see no problem contributing to them all where I can. I've purchased a years subscription to Transgaming, Mandrake Gaming edition, Mandrake Standard Edition, RedHat, Ximian Gnome, and even bought 90% of the Loki(RIP) games (at full price, ouch). The way I see it, if I can make my minor contribution in keeping all these guys doing what they do best (coding Linux), then I'm also helping Linux become the best it can be.

Also sending patches to the maintainers when I make bug fixes also helps. :-)

Mandrake and Gentoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 12 years ago | (#4235188)

Mandrake is great, but I really LOVE gentoo.

emerge is the coolest damn thing.

Please explain (1)

sepiroth (598780) | more than 12 years ago | (#4235207)

"and partly by companies that make money with Mandrake products, including MandrakeSoft"

I'm not sure I understand the concept. Does it imply for me being a developer, I will be made to pay for using ML on the commercial basis?
Anyway, will ML stay free?
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