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Mozilla 1.2 Betas Start Flowing

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the beware-the-lizard dept.

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Asa Dotzler writes "Today mozilla.org released Mozilla 1.2alpha. This is a preview of what's to come with Mozilla 1.2 expected in early November. The new alpha contains great new features like Type Ahead Find which allows quick web page navigation when you type a succession of characters in the browser. In addition to the new features Mozilla 1.2a contains stability and perfomance improvements including a major boost in the speed of downloading mail on Mac OS X.This release comes on the heels of the security and bugfix follow-up to Mozilla 1.0. If you're a 1.0 user and you're not upgrading to Mozilla 1.1 or newer then you are strongly encouraged to get Mozilla 1.0.1 for security and stability fixes."

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I thought she broke-up with me (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243893)

Jesus Christ. I could barely sleep.

But I woke up to find a message sent early this morning via AIM. She still loves me.

And I love her...

Re:I thought she broke-up with me (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243959)

That's fantastic. Cherish every moment.

Re:I thought she broke-up with me (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244003)

How did you teach a goat to type? I remember you telling me that you taught it Morse code by tapping your penis on its asshole. What a similar "hands on" approach?

Why would she broke up with you (-1, Offtopic)

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Type Ahead Find (-1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243904)

...great new features like Type Ahead Find which allows quick web page navigation when you type a succession of characters in the browser...

Great and new...just like Opera has been doing since version 5.

Re:Type Ahead Find (1, Redundant)

unixmaster (573907) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243921)

Need More info?
Visit http://www.mozilla.org/projects/ui/accessibility/t ypeaheadfind.html [mozilla.org]

Btw Kudos to Mozilla team!

Re:Type Ahead Find (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244005)

So... umm...

What about this post was informative?

The repeated link from the story post?

The "Need More info?" question?

The kudos?

Oh. I get it. We didn't know that you were the Unix master. Thanks mods! I would have never have realized that the Unix Master himself posts on Slashdot!

Re:Type Ahead Find (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243925)

Really? That sounds cool, where can I download the source?

Re:Type Ahead Find (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243928)

Stop whining..First let's get mozilla up there with the rest featurewise, and then talk about NEW features.

And if you are so desperate about getting new features, why not write one yourself? Or take a look at mozdev.org and help out..

Re:Type Ahead Find (2)

Sj0 (472011) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244231)

What isn't up to par, featurewise? As far as I can tell, it's as far as IE, and with the addition of tabbed browsing and the composer, it's even slightly better.

hater (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244006)

ne text pas

Re:Type Ahead Find (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244083)

So? Isn't there something about copying being the highest form of flattery? And isn't this OSS?

Re:Type Ahead Find (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244337)

Well, the emacs W3 browser has been doing the "type-ahead find" (it's properly called i-search) since it was invented...

Mozilla is cool cause... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243910)

Yuropeens were harmed during development.

bloat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243914)

mozilla is bloatware at least on linux

Re:bloat (0)

Viol8 (599362) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243935)

Yes , but don't forget this is Open Source! Any arguments about bloatware or bugs that are levelled against IE or Netscape simply do not apply when we're in the holy domain of the GPL.

Well at this rate... (2, Interesting)

gamorck (151734) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243917)

Mozilla will become feature complete when compared to IE6 sometime in the beginning of next year :-) It's good to see the Moz boys picking up the pace when it comes to implementing some of the more convienent features we've gotten used to in IE on Windows and the Mac. While I wouldn't mind IE stealing the wonderful idea of tabbed browsing Im seriously beginning to wonder just what kind of "end user" enhancements will be released with IE 7.0.

Seriously beyond the commonplace protocol upgrades and reworks I think that IE 7.0 will end up being quite the hard sell for the typical Windows User. This may present an opportunity for Mozilla/Netscape to steal a bit of marketshare if things go right. This will happen anyway as AOL is planning to move their browser engine over to Moz (already been done for the MacOSX version I believe) and the Gecko AOL betas run quite well.

J

Re:Well at this rate... (4, Insightful)

evilquaker (35963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243944)

Mozilla will become feature complete when compared to IE6 sometime in the beginning of next year :-)

Really? IE6 has mouse gestures, tabbed browsing and pop-up blocking?

Sounds to me like Mozilla is already more feature complete than IE... little conveniences like type-ahead find really don't compare to the three I mentioned above...

Those features in IE (5, Funny)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244075)

IE6 has mouse gestures

Is Mickey [ O ] sticking his middle finger up enough of a "mouse gesture"?

tabbed browsing

Maximize IE, and your taskbar becomes a tab bar. Or install CrazyBrowser.

and pop-up blocking?

Press Ctrl+W real quick before the pop-up finishes loading.

Such are the workarounds IE users employ to emulate Mozilla features.

Re:Well at this rate... (2)

mshiltonj (220311) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244168)

and pop-up blocking

Does anyone know if it's possible to selectively allow pop-ups on some sites you visit, but disallow from all others?

There are a couple of web-based applications I use for work that require pop-ups be enabled. I want and need popups for that specific domain, but no others.

Sort of like Apache's Allow From and Deny From commands.

Anyone? Bueller?

Re:Well at this rate... (1)

mkoenecke (249261) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244261)

You misunderstand: what Mozilla allows you to do is block *unrequested* pop-up windows. Other, requested pop-ups work just fine.

Re:Well at this rate... (1)

Ictinus (31155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244263)

Yes, in Mozilla 1.2a, there is a Pop-Up Manager.
You only see it in the Tools menu when you turn off:
Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Scripts & Plugins -> 'Open Unrequested Windows'

I believe each popup window gets a checkbox to allow you to turn off popups for each site.

I like it.

Re:Well at this rate... (1)

Dwedit (232252) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244283)

A proxy ad-filter program called The Proxomitron has a filter set up to block all popups, and then restore them after 2 seconds. So automatic popups are blocked, and manual popups are not.

Sometimes that feature can destroy certain web pages though.

Re:Well at this rate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243956)

Mozilla will become feature complete when compared to IE6 sometime in the beginning of next year :-)

Just out of interest, mind telling me which particular features IE has that are in common use which the current mozilla doesnt support?

Re:Well at this rate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244017)

A 1 second load time (on a P3 800 w/ 256M ram)

Mostly nonstandard features (0)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244043)

mind telling me which particular features IE has that are in common use which the current mozilla doesnt support?

The most popular features in IE that aren't in Mozilla:

  • document.all in the DOM (nonstandard; use getElementById() instead)
  • ActiveX (Windows IE specific; required for Windows Update)
  • "MSIE" in the User-agent (necessary to prevent some sites from claiming "We deny Mozilla users access to this page. Spoofing your user agent is a violation of the DMCA.")

Re:Mostly nonstandard features (1)

vsync64 (155958) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244077)

  • "MSIE" in the User-agent (necessary to prevent some sites from claiming "We deny Mozilla users access to this page. Spoofing your user agent is a violation of the DMCA.")

Uh-oh. [xulplanet.com]

Re:Mostly nonstandard features (0)

Libor Vanek (248963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244094)

What sites are you talking about?

A site that discriminates against mozilla users (2)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244179)

What sites are you talking about?

The DMCA part was a joke, but the discrimination against Mozilla users is real. For example, click this link with Mozilla [tvthemetunes.net] , and you get "You have accessed this page because you are trying to view MeTV in a browser other than Internet Explorer. To enter the site, please click here and download the latest version of Internet Explorer. (Mac users click here.)" For more such bugs click here [makeashorterlink.com] .

Now watch them lose 30% of their market when AOL 8.5 for Windows switches to Gecko. (AOL for Mac and CompuServe for Windows have already switched, but AOL for Windows has more market share.)

I used to love her (-1)

RestonVA (593792) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243939)

ewwwwwwwwwwwwww yeahhhhh
but i had to kill her
I used to lover her, ohhh hyeah, but I had to killl her!

No major news, and still a memory hog (2, Interesting)

MagerValp (246718) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243943)

I can't see any major improvements over 1.1, so why the version jump? Although it's nice that they're keeping a steady release schedule.

And I wonder if they're ever going to do anything about the memory footprint. Together with Windows 2000's awful VM handling, I'm in swap city every time I copy a large file, having to wait more than 30 seconds for my Mozilla window to be swapped back in.

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (1)

slappy_sellers (599786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243986)

It still doesn't take as much memory as IE. But I will rant about how long it takes for initial startup on my laptop. Maybe I should tweak the hdparm config. I dislike all of the Netscape icons(GOT TO GO). Give me my Rex back or atleast the Gecko. /. should get start using the ugly icons now when it posts Mozilla news.

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (1)

lightcycler (587416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244049)

"But I will rant about how long it takes for initial startup on my laptop"

Try K-Meleon [sourceforge.net] if you need speed

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (2)

seizer (16950) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244065)

I'm viewing your comment with Mozilla 1.1, and IE6 SP1, and Mozilla is taking 23mb, whereas IE is taking 14. Even if we add ALL of Windows Explorer's 7mb footprint on the assumption it's some kind of IE stub, we still score Mozilla 23, IE 21.

Anyway, since I've got 192mb of SDRAM in here, I'm not complaining. It would still be nice to see Moz shrink the footprint, though!

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (5, Interesting)

Bonker (243350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244066)

I rather like the 'Pinball' skin. If you're dissatisfied with Moz's appearance, I reccomend downloading it here:

http://themes.mozdev.org/skins/pinball.html [mozdev.org]

That said, Moz can be quite the memory hog, especially on graphically intense pages. One of the big mistakes I see that can aggrivate this is the practice of tiling single-pixel graphics over a huge area. I'm not familiar with the gecko code, but I'm guessing that rather than rendering the tiled image once and keeping a handle for the resulting bitmap, Moz renders the image over and over again as it tiles and keeps a handle for each tile.

PHPBB sites are particularly bad about this, since the 'Sub Silver' theme uses several images that are about 5 pixels wide x 30 pixels tall. 150 pixels total. If you have to cover an area that is 1000 pixels wide, you need 200 repetitions of that 5 pixel wide image. If you repeat that area 25 times, and keep seperate instances of the image for each tile, you end up keeping the image in memory 5000 times.

Anyone more familiar with Gecko willing to comment on the actual mechanism of how it handles tiled images like this?

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (1)

Luminous Coward (445673) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244150)

Anyone more familiar with Gecko willing to comment on the actual mechanism of how it handles tiled images like this?
You should probably ask in #mozilla on irc.mozilla.org.

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (3, Informative)

n3bulous (72591) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244215)

I liked pinball but the backwards and forwards buttons seemed flaky because they wouldn't work unless you hit them correctly. I then found the orbit theme here [deskmod.com] and like it better.

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (1)

fr2asbury (462941) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243991)

As I understand it (and I could be wrong), the versioning of Mozilla is similar to the Linux kernel. Meaning that if the second number is odd, it's a development branch. If the second number is even it's the stable branch. So ideally there wouldn't be much difference feature wise between the last odd release and the first of the next even releases.

Cheers,
Jonathan

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (2, Redundant)

Gerv (15179) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244046)

Mozilla's versioning is not like the Linux kernel. Each quarterly cycle has an alpha, a beta and a final release. We recently released 1.1final, and 1.2alpha is the first release in the next cycle.

If you are looking for feature jumps, you need to compare 1.1final and 1.2final (for example.)

Gerv

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (2)

markhb (11721) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244056)

You are wrong (sorry). Mozilla 1.0.x is the stable branch, which is only getting minor tweaks and bugfixes. Any other Mozilla 1.x number to date is essentially a milestone off of the trunk, with new features/toys. I have no idea if there is a "Mozilla 2.0 manifesto" yet, but I dop know that their stated intent has been that a .0 release brings with it a commitment of API stability until the next .0 release.

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (1)

OrangeSpyderMan (589635) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244067)

As I understand it (and I could be wrong)

And indeed, you are... :-) Seriously, the version numbering appears a bit strange, but if you check out the mozilla page [mozilla.org] then you'll see that 1.2 alpha is the bleeding edge stuff, and 1.0 is a stable release, and err well, 1.1 is "in between" :-).

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (3, Informative)

Gerv (15179) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244060)

Each quarterly cycle has an alpha, a beta and a final release. We recently released 1.1final, and 1.2alpha is the first release in the next cycle.

If you are looking for "major improvements worthy of a version jump", you need to compare 1.1final and 1.2final (for example.) Comparing 1.1final and 1.2alpha is not correct, because not all the 1.2 features are in yet.

I had Win2K swap trouble too, but new versions appear to be a lot better.

Gerv

Re:No major news, and still a memory hog (2, Insightful)

jo-do-cus (597235) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244154)

I personally rate improvement of the interface much (yes, very much) higher than performance improvement. I stick to Mozilla because i like its look and feel, even though opera might be a little faster, but i dont like the interface.

Having many features and good accessibility is far more important if you want to reach a big crowd of users. IMHO it's mostly the techies and programmers who keep whining about it being too slow or too big.
Yes, i can imagine my mother complaining about speed, but only if there is a very excessive lag (which is not the case in moz.), and even then she would probably blame it on the connection or so. Something like a memory footprint would never even come up in the mind of most regular users. It is easy handling, accessibility and standards support that will make mozilla a big player, and the type ahead feature is just one of the things i was waiting for.

Fixing performance can wait, companies like MS and Apple know this (remember releases of Win95, 98, OS X etc)...

dang (1)

Apreche (239272) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243949)

Just as mandrake 9 is about to come out they go and update mozilla again. Since they're on RC2 I doubt they are going to hold back for the new Mozilla. It's times like this I'm glad that Mozilla installs in linux the same way it installs in windows. Graphically and easily, as everythign should.
I first used Mozilla two years ago, when it was slow and crummy. I must say that since 1.0 there really is no significant difference between using Mozilla or IE, except for the pop-up blocking in Mozilla. I'm sure the newer version will be that much better. Keep it up.

Mandrake doesn't include alpha releases (1)

DamienMcKenna (181101) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244013)

Mandrake, similar to most other distros, try to avoid shipping alpha releases of core components, so you'd have to wait for the Mdk9.1 release.

Alpha suddenly equals Beta? (4, Funny)

fr2asbury (462941) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243950)

Is this some sort of new twist on mathematics or Greek?
The headline states Mozilla 1.2 "Beta" only to be told that the MOzilla 1.2 Alpha was released.
I swear you're like my wife who says's it's almost 7:00 at 6:30.
It's all relative I guess.

Cheers,
Jonathan

Ouch was that sloppy? (1)

fr2asbury (462941) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243965)

Im taking the preemptive move of pointing out I've already seen the nasty mistakes in my post.
Darned flexible keyboards in the morning!

Jonathan

The trunk is now Beta (1)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244010)

The headline states Mozilla 1.2 "Beta" only to be told that the MOzilla 1.2 Alpha was released.

I interpreted the headline as "the Mozilla trunk is now open to Beta checkins."

Title should read... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243953)

Mozilla 1.2 Alphas Start Flowing

Some editors...

Download Manager with no restart functionality? (4, Interesting)

Bonker (243350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243977)

In all other ways, Moz has completely replaced all other browsers for me. I always laugh at friends and coworkers who send me a link, but then tell me to be careful because it comes with several popup-ads.

I have to wonder what the rationale behind including a download manager with no scheduling or restart functionality is.

Oh well. I assume that this will come along eventually, just like everything else. The team has fixed both the bugs I submitted for 1.1a (table layout problems), so I will assume that they will eventually get around to this kind of functionality.

Re:Download Manager with no restart functionality? (1)

gnugnugnu (178215) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244011)

I would link to the bug reports section in Bugzilla for the Download manager but Mozilla are smart enough to block direct links from Slashdot.

http://bugzilla.mozilla.org

Find reports, cast your votes.
Help weed out duplicates (there are loads of them)!

Stuck using Netscape 4 recently, i had forgotten how dog slow it was and how much i hate popup ad's, on the upside the focus behaves much better and i dont keep having to click on a page before i can use the keys to scroll up and down. This is a big usability flaw for me and significantly slows down all my browsing (if anyone knows a relevant bug number please let me know).

Re:Download Manager with no restart functionality? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244170)

I always laugh at friends and coworkers who send me a link, but then tell me to be careful because it comes with several popup-ads.

Wow, you must get all the girls too 'cause your so 'leet.

No more .zip? (2)

AirLace (86148) | more than 11 years ago | (#4243979)

Has anyone noticed that there's no installerless .zip release of 1.2alpha for Windows on the releases [mozilla.org] page? I will use the .exe for now but being able to unzip testing versions in a self-contained directory (as was the case with previous releases) is rather handy.

The release notes even say "In this release the feature does not work in installer-builds you need to get a .zip distribution", yet there is none. Perhaps it's just an oversight.

Mozilla osx (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243980)

I have been using the mozille 1.1 now for a couple of days its pretty solid. I wonder what 1.2 will bring to the floor

Point is...? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243988)

Why spend your time developing yet another free web-browser instead of doing something meaningful?

Umm.. Just a question... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4243993)

Okay, good work to the mozilla crowds, but just 1 question before I switch:

What can the new mozilla do that I can't already do in Opera or IE?!?!?

The reason I ask is because if the answer is 'not a lot' then mozilla won't really get a big market share - what's the point in switching from a package you already like for no real benefits.

Mod this down as a troll if you like, but it is a good question. Market share - you'll need it.

Re:Umm.. Just a question... (4, Insightful)

psykocrime (61037) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244023)

What can the new mozilla do that I can't already do in Opera or IE?!?!?

That you can't do in Opera? Don't know, I don't use Opera.

That you can't do in IE:

1. Tabbed Browsing

2. Use mouse gestures

3. use radial context menus

4. use type ahead search (ala Emacs)

5. Use Mycroft search plugins to search from the URL bar or Sidebar.

6. Use other neat Sidebar plug-ins

7. use custom themes to "skin" the browser.

8. chat on IRC

I'm sure there are other things as well, but those are the first ones that come to mind.

Re:Umm.. Just a question... (1, Troll)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244180)

1) dont care.. If anything I find this annoying.

2) dont care.. I prefer keyboard shortcuts, and hardly touch my mouse.

3) gimmicky

4) dont care

5) IE has a search function on the sidebar. Whats so magical about Mycroft?

6) neat? i dont need neat, i need functional

7) gimmicky, though I guess there are some for whom downloading a 'captain kirk' theme makes them think they 'tricked out' their PC.

8) i much prefer a seperate client, thanks.

I'm not trolling.. but will it be posted on slashdot when a new beta of IE is released? Didn't think so.

All the features that geeks rave about on mozilla they'd bash incessently if they were the new features in the next IE.

We don't want to depend on mice, and since when did eye-candy fool us into thinking we're using a superior product?

So far, like Netscape, its selling point is "its not Microsoft". If they don't do better than that, it'll wind up like Netscape.

Re:Umm.. Just a question... (0)

gazbo (517111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244300)

Even more important, wrt option 8: Unixy people are always going on about how applications should do a single small task, and just connect to other apps that do different tasks.

I believe the term they use for all-in-one clients is "bloatware".

Re:Umm.. Just a question... (2)

perlyking (198166) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244313)


2) dont care.. I prefer keyboard shortcuts, and hardly touch my mouse.

Must be hardwork tabbing to all the links :-)
The beauty of having mouse gestures/pie menus is you dont need to alternate between mouse and keyboard. I wish mozilla would have the rmb+lmb =forward/back buttons that Opera uses, that is really easy to use.

Re:Umm.. Just a question... (2, Informative)

mkoenecke (249261) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244328)

The next release of IE isn't a story mainly because it's proprietary and Windows only. Mozilla is cross-platform and open source, meaning its development is accessible and relevant to everyone interested.

And those who don't like tabbed browsing, I believe, haven't given it a try. Take Slashdot, for example. I middle-click on all sorts of associated links on the right of the screen, which load in tabs in the background, while I continue reading the page. I can then peruse the other tabs at my leisure, and close them with another middle-click.

Another feature Mozilla has that IE doesn't: shortcuts to bookmarks. For example, if I type "gg [something]" in my location bar that does a search of Google Groups for that thing. "PW" takes me to Pricewatch. "Dict" to Dictionary.com. These can be combined with Javascript ("bookmarklets") for truly nifty automation.

Re:Umm.. Just a question... (1)

demo (8301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244347)

> So far, like Netscape, its selling point is "its not Microsoft". If they don't do better than that, it'll wind up like Netscape.

It's selling point is that it runs on a lot of platforms where IE doesn't.

(well IMHO anyway)

Re:Umm.. Just a question... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244241)

9) Block adds

10) Block pop-ups

11) Trust that the browser is not spying on me

The 3 "killer features" of mozilla for me.

Can i use ANY mail software? (1)

tsmit (222375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244050)

The reason i haven't adopted Mozilla yet is because it forces me to use it's internal Moz Mail client.

Until i can pick which mail client i want to use, mozilla will just be a secondary browser on my system.

Re:Can i use ANY mail software? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244152)

Why do you think you have to use the Mail program in Mozilla?

I use Evolution with absolutely no problems at all.

Re:Can i use ANY mail software? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244156)

This really wasn't this hard to find:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&s afe=off &threadm=MMIVxWCoBjCv-pn2-zIWZIJF5Uu5b%40localhost &rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Dof f%26selm%3DMMIVxWCoBjCv-pn2-zIWZIJF5Uu5b%2540local host
and
http://www.geocities.com/pratiksolanki/ #mailnews

Re:Can i use ANY mail software? (4, Informative)

Mr.Strange (204044) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244163)

Yes you can.

Put the following line in prefs.js, which is in your Mozilla profile directory.

user_pref("network.protocol-handler.external.mai lt o", true);

Re:Can i use ANY mail software? (2)

laserjet (170008) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244292)

Good information, but it should be able to be switched without editing a text file for all those IE-heads out there who want to support Mozilla.

Re:Can i use ANY mail software? (2)

jd142 (129673) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244327)

Beautiful, a thousand thank yous. This has been the most annoying "feature" of Moz/Netscape I've run across.

Two caveats though:

1) Slashdot inserted a space in the line. Took me a few restarts before I noticed that /. had done that, so I wondered why it wasn't working.

2) This still opens a second Mozilla window which needs to be closed.

So thanks to you for the info, and a good job to the Mozilla developers for putting this in.

Que coceira! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244051)

Ai, é o meu cuzinho!

Re:Que coceira! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244102)

enfia uma jeba de 25cm que passa!!!

Mail *downloading* speed? (0, Interesting)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244063)

What about the Moz mail interface speed. Admittedly, I'm running on an ancient machine here (P5200) but the browser runs fine for me, even with multiple (5+) tabs. The the mail client is consistently dog-slow, even right after a restart. It sometimes takes me upwards of a minute from the moment I click "compose" to the moment I start typing the body (after filling in the necessary headers).

What the hell is it doing that it needs to run that slow?

Re:Mail *downloading* speed? (2)

Gerv (15179) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244088)

Recent versions cache and reuse the compose window, so it's much faster. I think this went in after 1.0 (although I'm not certain) so if you are using 1.0, upgrade to 1.1.

Gerv

wooooooooonderful? (1)

irma trattino (607191) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244064)

viewed on the type ahead find website [mozilla.org] :
If you repeat the same character, it will start to cycle through all the links that begin with that character. However, if it can find a match with the exact string you've typed, such as "oo" in "woods" it will go there first. Typing a third "o" will then cycle through the links.

then what if one url is http:///www.wooooooooonderful.com/ ? will we have to type 10 times "o"?
nahhhhh! ;)))

I use Opera, but just sometimes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244070)

I have been using Opera since 5.0 and I think it doesn't handle well the javascript. Some sites of web mails doesn't work with Opera, and then I must use Mozilla to see it. I hope the next Opera 7 could be more DOM/Javascript compliant. Or they will continue to do pages like this: www.direito.varginha.com.br [varginha.com.br]

It's an alpha. (5, Informative)

Gerv (15179) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244072)

The headline is misleading - this is Mozilla 1.2 Alpha. See the roadmap [mozilla.org] for full details on the numbering scheme and release schedule.

1.0.1 [mozilla.org] was also released recently. This is a bugfix release for those people using 1.0 who don't want to upgrade to 1.1final or 1.2alpha.

Gerv

Great - now when will they make it good? (1)

treat (84622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244086)

After years of displeasure with netscape crashing on me, I was excited when Mozilla 1.0 came out. And it does rarely crash. Mozilla is barely usable under Linux, if you have a fast machine and lots of memory - sometimes it hangs for a while, but it is better than Netscape by far. On Solaris, even on a fast machine (e.g. 8*900mhz CPU V800), Mozilla is painfully slow - it can't even keep up with my typing! I wish there was a web browser that actually worked on Solaris.

Re:Great - now when will they make it good? (2)

laserjet (170008) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244332)

My experience doesn't agree with yours. I use Mozilla regularly on the following machines:

Linux @ 750MHz Athlon - Runs great, nice and quick
HPUX @ 440MHz PA-RISC - Runs great, not sluggish, but not snappy
HPUX @ 300 MHz PA-RISC - Runs a little slow, but is pretty good after first loading.
OS X @ 500MHz MAC - Runs about as fast as OS X seems to run, could be faster all around.
Win2k @ 800MHz Intel - Runs great, nice and quick.

I don't see why it runs so slow on your solaris machine? I have run it on Solaris briefly a while ago and it seemed pretty decent. On Linux I think it runs great. I guess it depends on what you think a fast machine is?

Type ahead find (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4244091)

Alright, I read the info about type ahead find, but I wasn't quite able to make out just what it does. Could someone help explain to me how this is an improvement over the search already included in previous Mozillas?

Keep it up Mozilla ! (1)

bushboy (112290) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244110)

Heck - Mozilla is just going from strength to strength - it's so nice to have another excellent (free) browser option !

I now use mozilla for over 50% of my day to day surfing - not quite ready to ditch ie6.0 yet, but getting closer...

switch from Opera to Mozilla? (2)

taxman_10m (41083) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244134)

Is there any reason to switch from Opera to Mozilla? The only big differences on my machine between Opera and Moz is that Moz is slow and it's a memory hog. And those aren't really good reasons to switch.

Question (2)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244157)

I'll admit I haven't downloaded Mozilla, for one main reason - I don't have the bandwidth to do so (56k modem? Eta 22 hours!) so maybe this question will be really easy to answer - or not:

Is there some sort of preferences manager that deals with all the options this new functionality is bringing about? The reason I ask is that whilst type ahead find looks and sounds rather nice, I don't think that adding a line of text to a flat text file is exactly the most user-friendly way of doing things. Especially not in a Windows world anyway.

On a side note, it's like when NS7 is mentioned without the pop up ad filter and you invariably get the posting that says "edit this file, add this line, remove this comment and it's done!". Might be easy to us, but probably not to those people that we'd like to encourage to use something apart from IE.

Re:Question (1)

Krueger Industrial S (606936) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244174)

Mozilla is 10 meg - only about 45 minutes at 56k

Re:Question (1)

Mr_Silver (213637) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244278)

Mozilla is 10 meg - only about 45 minutes at 56k

Unfortunately I normally get about 3k/sec from the download site :o(

Re:Question (2)

Gerv (15179) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244317)

The mirrors list [mozilla.org] is your friend.

Also, 10Mb at 3k per second -> 55 minutes. In actual fact, it's about 13Mb so it might take you an hour and a quarter. I don't know where you live, but that shouldn't cost you more than a pint of beer in local currency.

Gerv

Type ahead find (2, Interesting)

androse (59759) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244172)

Type ahead find has existed for years in IE for Mac, just like it has existed in the Mac Finder since system 7. The behaviour of typing a fiex letters and getting the closest element of a set has been implemented everywhere : file lists, dropdown menus, etc.

That is the problem with the behaviours of the mozilla interface widgets : they don't behave like any plateform.

Would it be too hard to make the widgets behave diffently depending on the plateform ? For example, when you click once in the address bar, all the text gets selected. That works on Windows, but not on the Mac, where the standard is to insert the bar cursor at the point where you clicked. The same for clicking in the scrolling bars : it only pages once, not repeatedly like on a Mac. The same for the dropdown menu (see the comparison of the windows drop down menu and the mac one by Bruce Tognazzini), etc etc.

I think people like visual inconsistency (themes, skins), but hate behavioural inconsistency.

XFT builds... (2)

jonathan_atkinson (90571) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244209)

...considering Mozilla follows the kernel-style odd/even unstable/stable release numbering format, 1.2 should be a stable build.

Does this mean I'll be able to download a version with XFT anti-aliased font support, like I did with 1.0? I have 1.0 with XFT which I downloaded from here [mozilla.org] , and I've been waiting to upgrade but I couldn't bear to lose my AA fonts.

In case you haven't seen it, I have a screenshot of Mozilla with AA fonts here [swoo.net] .

For

--Jon

Spellchecker may not work (2)

abischof (255) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244229)

Normally, at this point, I would mention that there's a Spellchecker available for Mozilla [mozdev.org] . However, it appears that the Spellchecker is broken with all nightly builds after August 30th [mozdev.org] (and I'm not certain whether 1.2alpha is affected as well)

The spellchecker-broken bug [mozdev.org] has been filed as a "blocker" (highest possible severity), but there's been no progress since August 31st (when the bug was filed). :-/

Bayesian anti-spam filters (3, Interesting)

abischof (255) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244305)

Remember that Slashdot article [slashdot.org] on Paul Graham's method of spam blocking through Bayesian filters [paulgraham.com] ?

In case not, the basic idea is that spam can be fairly reliably detected through statistical analysis of word choice. For instance, a message containing the word "GNU" probably isn't spam, while one containing "remove" might just be (but see the write-up [paulgraham.com] for more detail).

Anyhow, there's been a bug filed [mozilla.org] requesting Bayesian filtering for Mozilla. If you're interested in the feature, you may wish to vote for the bug [mozilla.org] (of course, you'll need a free Bugzilla account [mozilla.org] to vote).

mozilla 1.1, gcc 3.2 & jre 1.3.1 - problems (1)

Isaac-Lew (623) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244318)

I've had a problem building mozilla 1.1 with gcc 3.2, it seems that the jre plugin will *not* work (I've tried building mozilla with the --enable-old-abi-compat-wrappers tag, still doesn't work). Any ideas?

Opening new windows (2)

samael (12612) | more than 11 years ago | (#4244343)

I love Mozilla. There's just one thing stopping me using it - when I open links from other programs (including the address bar on the Start Bar) it uses an existing Mozilla window/tab rather than opening an new one.

I just can't use a program which randomly overwrites my open windows.
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