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Great Firewall Becomes Greater

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the move-along-now dept.

Censorship 210

Jay writes "This article on Yahoo! mentions China's new restrictions on websites as of September 1st. Apparently it's more advanced and doesn't censor the entire webpage, just portions. It also forwards requests for search engines, like google, to less effective search engines. They also mention that this might just be temporary during a Communist Party Congress. Anyone have a mirror?" A different AP article spins things slightly differently, emphasizing that Google is apparently no longer blocked in China and mentioning the selective blocking of web content only in passing.

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Filtering? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245858)

Does it filter first posts?

So? (2)

mekkab (133181) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245862)

The wiley will find ways around it.
The rest won't miss it.

At least its stepping up the challenge for those who are wiley!

(I think it's pretty devious that they aren't blocking google searches, just sending them to a less efficient search engine! ha!)

effective, not efficient! (0, Offtopic)

mekkab (133181) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245885)

that's not even a typo, that's a thinko!

let this be a lesson to you kiddies... ALWAYS preview!

Before you view, preview.

Re:effective, not efficient! (2)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245941)

Effective and efficient are easily interchangeable words, don't feel bad.

Re:effective, not efficient! (2)

mekkab (133181) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246050)

Oh but I do, unicron, I do!
[winces towards the sky in anguish, followed by howling and the gnashing of teeth]

Re:effective, not efficient! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246078)

Effective and efficient are easily interchangeable words

Easily, perhaps, but that still doesn't make it accurate. Stabbing someone to death with a plastic spork is effective (as long as the intent is to kill them), but it's certainly not the most efficient way of going about the process... not when there are plenty of available anvils to drop on them.

Re:So? (1)

aberson (461047) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246362)

maybe "the wiley" will use HTThost [htthost.com] to tunnel to an external proxy via http on port 80. works ok [where 'ok' is defined as 'ass slow'] through my great firewall.

Though, it would help if everyone in china had a computer on broadband "at home" (outside china) to be their proxy.

-a

The Horror! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245864)

Now billions of slopes won't be able to get their porn! Oh no!

Slang (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245925)

Please try to use less US centric slang. I'm not familiar with "slopes" or "porn". Or "billions". I actually am a German speaker. Can you please speak using words common between our two languages? Thank you.

Here is a vocab list to get you started:
- September
- Computer
- Chance
- Mama
- Internet
- Auto
- Chat
- Top Hits
- Situation
- Balance

etc.

Re:Slang (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245950)

Billion isn't slang. It's a number. Zillion, Gajillion, Bazillion are slang.

Common between german and english? Hmm.. Lemme think

Fuhrur, Nazi, Blitzkrieg, Auschwitz, Sobibor, Messershmitd, Krystalnaught

that's all I can come up with

MOD PARENT UP UP UP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245986)

Some more

Putsch
Dachau
Trablinka
SS
SA
Gestapo

This won't last. (2, Insightful)

big_oaf (560706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245881)

As any parent can tell you, telling your child not to look in the "forbidden closet of mystery" undoubtedly ends in your child doing the opposite. I think it's only a matter of time before the people of China put an end to the censorship.

Re:This won't last. (5, Funny)

doublem (118724) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245948)

I think it's only a matter of time before the people of China put an end to the censorship.

Yep, and it's only a matter of time before they have a nice republic set up too. This communism thing will never last.

It's not the lack of freedom that will change things, but block a man's google.com and you're begging for revolution!

Re:This won't last. (2)

operagost (62405) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246159)

If they didn't rise up after the students were run over by tanks in Tianamen Square, I fear they never will.

Re:This won't last. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246088)

yeah but... you don't kill your kids when they do things you told them not to...

Re:This won't last. (1, Troll)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246313)

No they won't. That's part of what Tianemen Square was all about. That's life under a Communist regime. Consider yourself lucky not to be living there.

chinese proxy? (1)

eecue (605228) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245887)

anyone know of an open chinese proxy server so i can see for myself?

Re:chinese proxy? (2, Informative)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245901)

I am sure there is one in here [monkeys.com] somewhere.

MOD PARENT UP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246221)

That is a good list of open proxies. What crack addled mod gave it an underrated mod?

Re:chinese proxy? (2, Informative)

wsapplegate (210233) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245976)

No problem, dude : just set your browser with 203.93.218.65, port 80 as proxy. I just tried it : Google isn't blocked, and it returns the same pages as here (I made a search for censorship , hope I won't cause problems to the poor fellows that own that proxy =)

Better them than me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245888)

Even with RIAA, I'm glad to be in the US of A!

Isn't that a Bob Dylan song?

Re:Better them than me. (2)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245953)

Yeah, it's off his latest album, entitled "My right to download all the music and software I want is constitutionally protected according to 1337-dude39 on slashdot.org"..really long title, the spine of the cd formats it really poorly.

Censorship in a world of forwards (2, Insightful)

intermodal (534361) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245890)

All it takes is one box being set up to mirror, or finding an unblocked box to route through...they're shooting themselves in the foot. For every major page they want to censor, there's a thousand more that aren't as prominent that will have the same political gist...

Re:Censorship in a world of forwards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245977)

Censorship is illegal in the US, due to the Constitution.
The Chinese don't have the Constitution.

What's the problem here? If the Chinese don't like it, they'll revolt. Its what we had to do.

Re:Censorship in a world of forwards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246037)

Except it doesn't work too well for us all the time either.

Re:Censorship in a world of forwards (1)

neocon (580579) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246289)

Whether or not censorship is wrong is completely independent of whether it is legal. Values such as liberty and free speech are universal -- they don't depend on what laws happen to have been passed at the moment.

Re:Censorship in a world of forwards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246399)

now you are getting into philosophy.

If you think everyone should live, yet a very sick person pleads to die without the doctors attempting to save him, who is right?

You were brought up with the belief that liberty and free speech is a needed value, universally.

They were brought up with the belief that their government will protect them from things so they don't have to worry about them.

Don't say "but they aren't being protected! Its corrupt! Cause they don't think that way, otherwise they would revolt and change the government."

Don't you believe that you are being a bit egomanical thinking you know whats best for a culture?

Re:Censorship in a world of forwards (1)

neocon (580579) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246469)

Your argument is essentially racist.

You are arguing that because `those people' were brought up in `that culture over there', they don't deserve the same freedoms as people brought up over here.

No, some values are, in fact, universal -- for example, slavery is objectively wrong despite the fact that every culture on earth has practiced it at some point in history, and despite the fact that some still do.

google help me! (1, Troll)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245894)

i live in china... i just tried this search here:

link [google.com]

and it gave me this list of links:

link 1 [discovery.com]
link 2 [about.com]
link 3 [rr.com]

man, they are good. guess i'll stay.

Re:google help me! (2)

doublem (118724) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245957)

How insidious.

"Why would you want to view these sites? They're all crap! Where's the content?"

"Go back to your homes, read the newspapers we print for you and for Mao's Sake Don't get knocked up! We have enough people as it is. I repeat, DO NOT SCREW!"

Re:google help me! (2)

Krellan (107440) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246206)

Wow, you've been censored!

I viewed the same link as you, and got these top 3 results:

antiw*r.com "leave china alone"
english.peopledaily.com.cn "foreign f***n g**g activists asked to leave"
hyperm*rt.net "yankees leave china alone"
And then some news articles about the North K*reans seeking asylum in China then moving to South K*rea.

I starred out things above so hopefully the Great Firewall of China won't block this post and you can read it.

I have a friend in China and we often ICQ each other to test the firewall and verify things he's researching, and we've ran into several surprising differences....

Re:google help me! (2)

micromoog (206608) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246425)

In case anyone thinks this poster really lives in China (moderators, I'm looking in your direction), note that our beloved Slashdot is on the blocklist [harvard.edu].

A good Communist... (1, Flamebait)

jmu1 (183541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245895)

doesn't need information from any sort of "Internet". A good Communist can get his information from the nearest "People's Knowledge Station". Come on, get with the times man! Communism provides for all the needs of it's people.

LOL, sorry, I just had to say that.

Re:A good Communist... (2)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246183)

China is only communist by name. In reality, their economy is a mix between communism and capitalism, and they're on their way to convert even more things to capitalism. If you walk around in China, you'll be flooded by ads everywhere. Lots of people own small shops or companies.
They might be even "more capitalist" than us. The shops and restaurants there don't hesitate to stay open all night if there are enough customers (so they can ear more money). I don't see West-European shops or restaurants do that, they close after 10 PM no matter how many customers.

Re:A good Communist... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246234)

"China is only communist by name. "

Right; in reality, they are a nonhereditary totalitarian state. Capitalism assumes private ownership, and dashed if I can see much of that in China. (Then again, if the IRS keeps at it here, ...)

Re:A good Communist... (1)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246275)

"China is only communist by name. "

I love it. Every time the Commie argument comes up on Slashdot you get some bozo saying "China is bad, but they are not communist, real communism has never been tried, blah blah blah, Capitalism is evil, blah blah blah, I hate corporations, blah blah blah.

It gets old.
Tiananmen, April-June 1989 [christusrex.org]

Re:A good Communist... (2)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246349)

OK quote the word in my post that might mean "capitalism is evil" or "I hate corporations" and I'll give you a cookie.

This is not a joke, China really is partially capitalist. People can *own* companies, and *make profit*.

> It gets old.

So does that story from 1989.

Re:A good Communist... (1, Troll)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246368)

"That story" from 1989 better not get old. It represents all that China (and, arguably, Communism) stands for- oppression and dumbing down of its society so that they do not question the authority.

See:
Cuba
Russia
[Insert name of African country Here]

Re:A good Communist... (2)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246380)

Read this:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/comment/column ists/wi ckham/wick045.htm
Yup, that's a US news site.

Re:A good Communist... (2)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246325)

Communism and capitalism are *economical* systems, not political systems.

> Capitalism assumes private ownership

Lots of Chinese *own* shops and companies. Yes, you read that right. *Own*.

1984 (1)

TheBrotherhood (607654) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245911)

This is becoming like 1984, War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength....

Re:1984 (2)

oliverthered (187439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245965)

What is?

There are 8 camaras on my 1 mile jorney two work, and i live in the country side.

The UK governemnt is talking about killing people for the peace of the world.

I can be free from the bondage of work, but I will probably die or be arrested if I take up the freedom.

And look at the streangth gained by Ignorant voteing.

China fits the Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength bit i suppose.

But more in the
'Religion is unpure thinking therefore we ban Religion, and save your neck by doing so.'

'Greed is the greatest temptation so well stop you from knowing whats out there because you might just become tempted.'

Oh and were all a bunch of power mungers must fit in there somewhere, but then thats the case with most countries.

1984? Not really... (2, Insightful)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246124)

Is EVERYTHING "becoming like 1984"?? I know I speak for more people than just myself when I say that we are tired of everything being compared to 1984.

I know that I'm going to be modded as a troll for not conforming to the masses yet again, but comon, at least be more imaginative than comparing every to 1984.

Blocking part of a webpage (3, Informative)

poincaraux (114797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245912)

Apparently it's more advanced and doesn't censor the entire webpage, just portions.


Actually, the Yahoo article says that it blocks portions of websites rather than whole websites. Blocking parts of individual webpages would be a bit tougher :).

Re:Blocking part of a webpage (1, Troll)

doublem (118724) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246002)

Mao: "We have a population problem. Economic incentives to single child families and forced abortions to women carrying a second child are not enough."

Sung: "Well, we do have a monopoly on the world's Chinese women. Do you have any idea how many men world wide fantasize about them? They're HOT!"

Mao: "That's it! We'll get the men to fantasize about non Chinese women! We'll replace all the porn sites with sites advocating sex wit women most of our population will never meet! They'll lose interest in sex and spend their time working!"

Sung: "Brilliant! Get right on it!"

Mao: "You mean I have to implement it?"

Sung: "Or be hung for treason."

Mao: "Tech suppot!"

Re:Blocking part of a webpage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246106)

Forced abortions are actually very rare in China...the "one child" rule is usually only enforced on the politically unpopular.

Re:Blocking part of a webpage (1)

neocon (580579) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246232)

Bzzzt... thanks for playing.

See (free registration required) or [telegraph.co.uk] here [house.gov].

Re:Blocking part of a webpage (1)

neocon (580579) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246261)

To quote, for those who don't wish to register for the Telegraph:

A CHINESE county has been ordered to conduct 20,000 abortions and sterilisations before the end of the year after communist family planning chiefs found that the official one-child policy was being routinely flouted.


The impoverished mountainous region of Huaiji has been set the draconian target by provincial authorities in Guangdong (formerly known as Canton).
...
Many of the terminations will have to be conducted forcibly on peasant women to meet the quota. As part of the campaign, county officials are buying expensive ultrasound equipment that can be carried to remote villages by car.

By detecting which women are pregnant, the machines will allow Government doctors to order terminations on the spot.

At the Huaiji county hospital, where most of the operations will take place, it is not only women with unauthorised pregnancies who are facing traumatic surgery in insanitary conditions.

Officials said that, as part of the drive to meet the quota, doctors had been ordered to sterilise women as soon as they gave birth after officially approved pregnancies.

Re:Blocking part of a webpage (1)

Psx29 (538840) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246213)

Actually, the Yahoo article says that it blocks portions of websites rather than whole websites. Blocking parts of individual webpages would be a bit tougher :).

I don't think it would be all too difficult to block only parts of pages actually, unless you are using SSL encryption or the like in which case it is basically impossible

How to bypass the Great Firewall (0, Troll)

AntiNorm (155641) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245917)

You can learn how to bypass the Great Firewall at Zombocom [zombo.com], a web site where you can do just about anything.

Re:How to bypass the Great Firewall (2)

ghazban (28784) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245961)

Except for use it without a flash plugin... Sheesh, it should at least have skip intro or an explanation of what the page does.

Re:How to bypass the Great Firewall (2, Funny)

WestieDog (592175) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245964)

The only limit is yourself, at ZOMBOCOM!

I love that site. When newbie 'net users ask me which sites I frequent I always point them to that one just to see their reaction.

"Is this valid text or government propaganda?" (2)

Scoria (264473) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245921)

I suppose the Chinese government dedicated little effort to alerting users of a modification. This is an ideal method by which to distribute propaganda. ;)

One for China. One for the Rest of the World. (1)

plasticquart (75467) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245952)

"A different AP article spins things slightly differently, emphasizing that Google is apparently no longer blocked in China and mentioning the selective blocking of web content only in passing."

Those AP people aren't dumb. That first story is likely to be censored by The Great Firewall, whereas this second article might be aimed at actually reaching our Chinese friends.

--

Custom Computer Systems for Discerning Tastes [crushpc.com]

Since you are all 'government' nuts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245959)

Consider this:

Seeing as you all respect the rights brought to each of you from our government when it was constructed, would you respect the governments other countries establish?

If the Chinese don't like their government, they'll revolt. Leave it to them to decide whether they like this 'great firewall' or not. It really isn't censorship, because censoring exists based on the freedom laws of our democratic society. If china was a democracy, then, sure, get up in arms. But its a communistic state. What they are doing is legal in their legal system. Get off their backs.

Re:Since you are all 'government' nuts... (1)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246175)

I seem to recall when Chinese students tried to revolt, and their oppresive Communist/Dictatorshop government ran them over with tanks. Yeah, a revolt will work very well.

Tiananmen, April-June 1989 [christusrex.org]

Re:Since you are all 'government' nuts... (2)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246225)

In what year do we live again? Right, 2002. 2002 - 1989 = 13. Any big revolts since 1989?

Oh, about "ran them over with tanks": where do you see people getting run over? I see tanks, but I never see anybody getting run over by tanks or flat dead bodies.

Re:Since you are all 'government' nuts... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246301)

Look at the pictures on his linked page... Nasty

Re:Since you are all 'government' nuts... (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246354)

Wow. You're ignorant.

1. The gov't would do their best to censor any news of any revolts from leaving the country.

2. People in China who even *think* about any such thing are summarily "disappeared".

Re:Since you are all 'government' nuts... (2)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246446)

> Wow. You're ignorant.

Then enlighten me with your wisedom.

> 1. The gov't would do their best to censor any
> news of any revolts from leaving the country.

I left the country by... filling an emigration form to The Netherlands and then stepping in an airplane, 8 years ago?
Wow, my parents must have really searched through a lot of illegal sources! My god, we'll be killed if we visit China!
Oh wait, I've visited China 3 times already ever since I left! What the hell is going on? Enlighten me, oh wise NineNine!

> 2. People in China who even *think* about any
> such thing are summarily "disappeared".

You mean they invented mass-mind reading machines? I wanna get one!

Re:Since you are all 'government' nuts... (1)

neocon (580579) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246318)

You misunderstand what rights are. Rights aren't brought to you by government, they are intrinsic and universal. Banning free speech in China does not make censorship acceptable any more than legalizing slavery in the past (and present in states like the Sudan) makes slavery acceptable.

Common communist ploy (1)

SkipChaser (548969) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245962)

The party loosens restrictions in order to draw out the people with "reactionary" tendencies.

Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 54 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4245971)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

censorship is like the world's funniest joke (3, Insightful)

rjnagle (122374) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245979)

Sites that link to controversial Chinese sites. don't necessarily promote these idealogies; they are merely acknowledging their controversial nature. It reminds me a little of the Monty Python sketch about the world's funniest joke [montypython.net], and anyone who heard or viewed the joke would die of laughter. The premise of censorship is that offensive content contaminates the hearts and minds of people. But you can only have censorship if someone can judge content without himself being contaminated. This contradicts the premise of censorship, which alleges that these contaminating powers exist inherently in the offensive material. On the other hand, if a censor can censor without being contaminated, that implies that offensive content does not automatically contaminate the mind or heart of a person. In that case, you would be admitting that censorship is unnecessary. That is the contradiction of censorship.

Test China's Firewall [imaginaryplanet.net]

Re:censorship is like the world's funniest joke (1)

mtrupe (156137) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246237)

"don't necessarily promote these idealogies; they are merely acknowledging their controversial nature."

Does that make it somehow less evil???

Tiananmen, April-June 1989 [christusrex.org]

Re:censorship is like the world's funniest joke (1)

broken_bones (307900) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246310)

Hmm...A very interesting analysis. I've always taken a slightly differnt view on censorship. Censorship has always seemed to me to be used in the guise of the "learned/elite/politically powerful" protectecting the "unlearned/peasant/politically unsophisticated." However, taking your comments into account it would seem that there may acutally be two kinds of censor ship: anti corruption censorship and anti deception censorship.

Anti corruption would be the idea expressed by the original post that someone has to protect you from certain material so that you will not be corrupted. This would imply there is something inherrantly bad about the material itself. [see the orignal post for why this argument fails.] On the other hand anti deception censorship would say that people are trying to deceive you with bad information (after all how could *ism possibly be better than what we have?). The purpose of censoship under this scenario would be to sort out and censor the "bad" information. Many reasons can be presented for why quashing the views that you don't agree with is a bad idea and exhaustive listing of these is left as an excercise for the reader.

I will however say that determining what is good and bad can be very difficult. To often we as human beings, lack the wisdom to distinguish closely spaced lines of white and black. Instead we see gray. If one cannot distinguish between the good and the bad is it right to choose good and bad for someone else? Times also change. What was once good has now fallen out favor. Likewise activities and philosophies that were once thought to be bad are now accepted. Times change and the only way to change with the times is to have an open dialog and an open mind.

The preceding words are my ramblings...

Re:censorship is like the world's funniest joke (1)

Hoo00 (123566) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246472)

The premise of censorship is that offensive content contaminates the hearts and minds of people. But you can only have censorship if someone can judge content without himself being contaminated. This contradicts the premise of censorship, which alleges that these contaminating powers exist inherently in the offensive material. On the other hand, if a censor can censor without being contaminated, that implies that offensive content does not automatically contaminate the mind or heart of a person. In that case, you would be admitting that censorship is unnecessary. That is the contradiction of censorship.

In making these statements, you assumed that all minds are equal and capable of judging content, which is not necessary true.

what do they censor? (1)

Simon (S2) (600188) | more than 11 years ago | (#4245993)

it would be nice to know what they censor.
is it pedoporn, or articles like "how to build an atomic bomb using a peace of wood and some salt" or is it *useful* information?

i think this matters.

Re:what do they censor? (1)

Squarewav (241189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246200)

its more like articles on how comunism doesnt work or, how great democracy is, also ways to leave china, anything that doesnt agree with the relegion of the goverment, anything bad about china, ect. the great wall was ment to not only keep out the mongules(?spelling) but to keep in the chinese and keep out any outside influance that may couse cival uprest, china has become a little more open over the years, such as allowing people from the outside to enter china (as long as you dont do anything that makes china look bad) and setting up an internet to the outside world (as long as they do not look at anything that makes china look bad)

Re:what do they censor? (2)

FooBarWidget (556006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246287)

> its more like articles on how comunism doesnt work or

This is hilarious. They've switched half of their economy to capitalism and is still continueing to do so!

Re:what do they censor? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246370)

doesnt agree with the relegion of the goverment

What's a `relegion,' and where can I get one?

The Great American Firewall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246036)

Is constructed within the minds of those who watch television. No need to physically confine a lobotomized mind.

What's the big deal? (1)

nomel (244635) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246084)

Are you tellin me there is NO way for them to connect to an external (out of china) proxy that they could use for browsing? Or does it filter content as it comes in (jsut ssl)?

job at the firewall (1)

krystar (608153) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246086)

wouldn't it be great to be the sys admin in charge of that firewall? u could smuggle in packets of data for a price. hehehe btw, i saw a mirror that just took google and reversed everything. you enter in reversed words to search and get back reversed results. anyone know that link?

Wonder if this site is blocked (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246092)

Click me! [niggastolemy.tv]

They should sell it (1)

bitflip (49188) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246098)

With all of the effort they're putting into building this, and all the effort being put into defeating it (which they should learn from), I can see the PRC becoming the world's leading firewall vendor.

Re:They should sell it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246448)

yes. I'd love to filter out the scientology content from google.

Still blocked according to Real-Time Testing (1)

pato perez (570823) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246137)

The Real-Time Testing of Internet Filtering in China site: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/filtering/china/test/ go.asp?URL=http://www.google.com reports that it's still blocked. A glitch in the Great Wall? A glitch in the real-time tester? =P

I want the "The Great SMTP Wall" of China... (5, Funny)

toupsie (88295) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246148)

Now, if only the Chinese Government would prevent e-mail from escaping their country, about 75% of the SPAM I receive every day would disapear.

And all thanks to American companies. (5, Interesting)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246191)

This article [weeklystandard.com] is a sickening insight into how corporate greed in the U.S. made it possible for China to filter the network and even catch and arrest dissidents.

To force compliance with government objectives--to ensure that all pipes lead back to Rome--they needed the networking superpower, Cisco, to standardize the Chinese Internet and equip it with firewalls on a national scale. According to the Chinese engineer, Cisco came through, developing a router device, integrator, and firewall box specially designed for the government's telecom monopoly. At approximately $20,000 a box, China Telecom "bought many thousands" and IBM arranged for the "high-end" financing. Michael confirms: "Cisco made a killing. They are everywhere."


And Cisco is not the only U.S. company in Beijing's pocket. Let's not forget our friends at Yahoo!

Chinese xenophobia has led many other U.S. companies to play similar games, but Yahoo! was particularly eager to please. All Chinese chat rooms or discussion groups have a "big mama," a supervisor for a team of censors who wipe out politically incorrect comments in real time. Yahoo! handles things differently. If in the midst of a discussion you type, "We should have nationwide multiparty elections in China!!" no one else will react to your comment. How could they? It appears on your screen, but only you and Yahoo!'s big mama actually see your thought crime. After intercepting it and preventing its transmission, Mother Yahoo! then solicitously generates a friendly e-mail suggesting that you cool your rhetoric--censorship, but with a New Age nod to self-esteem.


This is a sad reminder of how large American companies have abandoned the idea of corporate ethics. The Chinese government is probably arresting, and maybe executing, pro-democracy advocates based on the work of companies like Cisco and Yahoo!. The U.S. government should prosecute the bastards at Cisco and Yahoo! responsible for providing these tools to the Chinese government.

Re:And all thanks to American companies. (2)

swb (14022) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246372)

That's because fucking capitalists have only commerce as a value. They don't really care about freedom or democracy except as defined by the ability to buy elected officials.

Boeing sold missle technology to the Chinese, too. If the AK-47 wasn't such a great rifle, I'd bet that Colt would sell them M-16s too.

Wasn't it Kruschev who said that the capitalists would sell the communists the rope they'd hang them with?

It's all true.

Re:And all thanks to American companies. (2)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246393)

That's a huge load of horse shit.

1. "Greed" made the rest of the world what it is, thank you. You wouldn't be typing away on a dirt cheap computer on a cheap Net connection if not for "greed", so quit your mindless kneejerking.

2. So then, every gun manufacturer should be sued for the people who use 'em to kill people? Car manufacturers should be sued for people who drive drunk? Baseball bat companies should be sued for people who buy their bats to bludgeon somebody to death? You're a fucking clueless moron. China's not the problem, here, not Cisco.

Ass.

Re:And all thanks to American companies. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246487)

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avoiding the lameness filter is a whole lotta fun!!

what is it ? (0)

duqstar (592491) | more than 11 years ago | (#4246229)

that they dont want there people to see? i mean i've tried several sights i found on google that i would assume would be blocked, however they are good to go in china according to the harverd test page. the list includes thehun(porn)http://www.niagara.com/~freedom/antico m/door.htm http://www.persecution.org/humanrights/china.html http://www.visuallink.net/capps/china.html all of the rest are anti-communist sights. i know this is a small test group, but it doesent seem that china is on the ball, does anyone know of any sights that have been blocked besids google?

Seems only fair... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4246264)

...being as I and many other email admins have China selectively blocked. Due to email abuse from .cn netspace and an almost universal lack of response from Chinese ISPs to abuse complaints, we've got the SMTP bits "selectively" blocked. "Selectively" as in: only SMTP is blocked, not all access.
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