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Slashback: Bugfixed, Attribution, Atkins

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the today-is-thor's-day dept.

Slashback 423

Slashback brings you another flurry of updates (below) on the recently reported Mozilla security leak, the Greek gaming ban (you'll never guess), the mega-hour TiVO mod mentioned earlier today, the long-term healthiness of the Atkins Diet, and more. Read on for the details.

Go ahead and get this one out of the way. Seth Scali writes: "The decision last week that ruled the Greek ban on video games as unconstitutional has been overturned, and a new trial has been ordered. Story from TheRegister is here. Don't take your GBA on that trip to Athens just yet ..."

It takes a strong man. Reader edrock200 submitted the story about a TiVO mod which could expand system capacity to more than 1000 hours of recording. The story as shown says that 9thTee is the card's developer; edrock200 corrects this "'The QuadCard, like the AirNet and TurboNet adapters also sold through 9thTee, were developed by a TiVo user named Nick Kelsey (known as 'jafa' on the TiVo Community Forum.) 9thTee is the distributor - though I don't want to take anything away from them, they have been remarkably supportive of the TiVo community and they deserve kudos for taking the financial risks of selling these add-ons.'

'It is truly amazing what Nick has been able to do with his electronics expertise.'"

Thanks for the clarification!

The Lizard sleeps with one eye open. An anonymous reader writes "MozillaZine have updated their article on the recently reported minor security bug in Mozilla [Note Slashdot posting]with the news that a fix has been completed. The bug allowed the webmaster of a site to find out where a user went after their site. The fix means that there are again no known security bugs in Mozilla. Presumably, updates to Mozilla-based browsers (Netscape, Galeon, Chimera etc.) will follow."

What about the all-shrimp-and-chili-paste diet? Schlemphfer writes "A few months back, Slashdot featured a NY Times story that talked about the Atkins diet in glowing terms. This week, the Times has published a Jane Brody article raising serious questions about whether Atkins-style diets are dangerous and unsustainable. Brody is one of the most prominent and respected nutrition journalists, so it's worthwhile to read her take on the matter. Brody's article, which cites some important new research, may be an eye-opening read for Slashdot readers who took the plunge with Atkins back in July." (The NYT requires free registration.)

Suddenly everyone is in deadly earnest. Ian Cumming was one of several people to write with evidence of smileys predating the smileys unearthed by Mike Jones of Microsoft Research. He forwarded an informative message from Brian Dear of Birdrock Ventures, which reads in part:

"On the PLATO system, emoticons were much richer -- made using multiple characters displayed on top of each other. It was possible to type, say, a single character, then press SHIFT-space (which moved the cursor exactly one space backwards), then type another character. The second would display on top of the first. You could keep doing this for multiple characters and create many different faces, beer glasses, martini glasses, all kinds of things. And people peppered their emails and notesfile (PLATO's newsgroups) postings with them all the time."

And what is the PLATO system? The short version is this: PLATO was (is) an education-centered computer system developed at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. Luckily for you, Dear is writing a book about PLATO. His site is fascinating, and the book promises to be as well. Here is a page showing the richness of PLATO emoticons.

Reader Grant Barrett also writes: "The earliest (not first: you can never precisely say which was first) recorded smiley in print discovered so far was found by etymologist and word researcher Barry Popik who posted this message to the email list of the American Dialect Society. He discusses the yellow smiley face which everyone knows, but this particular smiley is the familiar punctuation-based emoticon. (On a side note, he has uncovered some evidence that Harvey Ball *did not* invent the familiar yellow-faced smiley.)"

That reference puts the typographic smiley all the way back to 1953, and as Barrett mentions, was in print rather than online. He also points out that "ESR's Jargon File cites a 'rival claim by Kevin McKenzie, who seems to have proposed the smiley on the MsgGroup mailing list, April 12 1979.'"

But there's only one groove per side ... To all those who thought that the optical-scanning method for playing vinyl was an elaborate joke, note that you can download the creator's code if you'd like. This is not the easy way to do things, but is one way.

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I agree, It's a shame (-1, Offtopic)

lpret (570480) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293824)

I wish I had something to say, but I saw there weren't any posts and I just had to...

FYI: Farscape Chat Now! (-1, Offtopic)

Monkey-Man2000 (603495) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293828)

I know I'm going to get modding down for this. :) Farscape chat with a producer, writer, and Ben Browder the main actor in the show is hosted at scifi.com. irc.chorn.com or irc.scifi.com

Charting progress (2, Interesting)

DarthVeda (569302) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293829)

I've been keeping track of my progress since July 13th on Atkins and as of today I am 41 pounds lighter. How about that? Nutritionalists be damned...

Re:Charting progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293853)

Damn, me too. Except I just quit eating for since July 13th and I have lost over 80lbs. Must be healthy too.

Re:Charting progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293855)

When you contract scurvey or a degenerative bone disease from long term malnutrition next month, don't come crying to /. about it!

duh (1)

DarthVeda (569302) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293881)

Thats why I take a multivitamin and calcium supplements. Anybody who has ever read more than a dribbling about the diet will tell you the diet works in conjunction with exercise and a steady intake of vitamins.

Re:duh (3, Insightful)

Gordonjcp (186804) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294003)

You'd probably be far healthier just eating normally and getting some exercise. Fsck knows what's in those vitamin supplements...

Re:duh (2)

Rader (40041) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294108)

vitamin supplements?
Well, vitamins of course.

Why raise suspicions on that, when one trip to mcdonalds is what a person should really worry about.

Re:duh (1)

Deosyne (92713) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294156)

"Fsck knows what's in those vitamin supplements..."

I'd venture that just about anyone who is literate can know what's in them, since it says right on the label. Hell, with a vitamin supplement, you know exactly how much of what in in each pill, unlike most products which just give you a general list of ingredients and touch on the highlights of the particulars.

Re:Charting progress (3, Insightful)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293867)

The article asks about the long term effects and sustainablity of the diet. No one denies that it works - they just wonder how safe it is in the long run.

RTFA plz.

Re:Charting progress (2, Informative)

zaffir (546764) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293946)

Atkins himself says that staying on the diet for a long period of time is bad. It is very hard on your kidneys, and he recommends slowly easing back onto a low-carb (not no-carb) diet after you've been no-carbing it for a while.

Re:Charting progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293973)

Sigh. You do not "no-carb" ever. You really can't, anyway. In the beginning of his diet (first 2-6 weeks), you eat pretty low-carb, ie 20-30 grams a day. After that, depending on your goals, you can move that up to 50-100 based on your own body and your own caloric needs.

Re:Charting progress (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293870)

Good. Now you can enter the realm of other slashdot readers at a healthy 320lbs. Fat computer bastards... if I wanted to lose 41lbs, I'd have to have my legs amputated. I'd hate to be working the terminal next to your cube.. lots of air freshner...

How big is the biggest slasdot user anyway? Do you guys have a bowl of frogs for snacking next to your computer when you post?

Re:Charting progress (2)

bellings (137948) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293900)

Do you guys have a bowl of frogs for snacking next to your computer when you post?

Hell no. I eat blind albino squids dipped in chocolate.

They're lower in sodium, and not nearly as crunchy!!

Re:Charting progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293913)

Hey! I'm 185 lbs, 5' 11", and I wouldn't mind losing 41 lbs. Seriously. Most 6 foot, 175 lbs. guys have absolutely no idea how fat they really are.

"But, it's all muscle mass!" Yeah, sure -- whatever. You just keep telling yourself that, Krispy Kreme boy...

Re:Charting progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294036)

I'm 5'11", 205, and it IS all muscle mass. Get off your ass and get to the gym and eat right. I'm less round and much stronger than most people that are taller and weigh less than me. AND i'm a computer nerd. How bout that?

Re:Charting progress (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294050)

Yikes! That'd make you 5'11" 144. That's just downright scrawny. No need to get anorexic just because you need to drop some body fat. ;)

Anyway, different people have different muscle masses. I'm 6'0" 184. I have a 32"/33" waistline, but I could stand to lose about 15 lbs of body fat (guestimation). That's probably another inch-and a half off the waistline and nearing six-pack territory.

On the other hand, I know guys (as I'm sure we all do) who are my height and way 5 - 10 lbs more than I do who really *are* all lean muscle. That's the place that I want to get to, but first the fat must come off. I don't do the whole Atkins thing though. I like carbs too much. I just moderate what I eat and avoid eating outside of designated meals and snacks, though I do occassionally lapse.

There's no way that can be good for you (4, Informative)

jcsehak (559709) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294169)

That's like 20 lbs a month. IANANutritionalist, but I hear that losing more than 10 lbs a month is too much of a shock to your system.

Think about it--you can just stop eating and lose 41 lbs in a couple weeks. It doesn't make it healthy. You should really see your doctor and make sure everything's going okay.

Call me lazy... (2, Insightful)

angst7 (62954) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293851)

But I was a little happy when I heard about the Mozilla security bug. Not because I want to see anything bad happen to the lizard (after all I'm using it now), but because I knew it meant that soon Ximian would release a Mandrake 8.2 build of the most recent version taking care of a few of the other 1.0 bugs I wanted to see fixed. :)

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Jedimom.com [jedimom.com], picking out a thermos, for you.

Atkins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293863)

The mainstream doesn't want anyone to move away from their high-carb diet they've been preaching for years, and so of course, they go out there and try to badmouth the Atkins diet any chance they get. It's nothing new. All the author of the original NY Times piece wanted was for scientists to actually take a look at the diet, which most have been reluctant to do for years.

They're scientists. Their job is test things out and see if they're right or wrong. Too often, though, we see scientists hide behind what is already "fact" and they refuse to look at anything that might mean changing that.

Clining to the Sinking Ship (1)

DarthVeda (569302) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293905)

I don't know how long that nutritionalists are going to cling to 80's dogma about fat making you fat, but apparently they are intent on taking one in five Americans with them.

Re:Atkins... (3, Funny)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293982)

So instead of listening to science, you believe the marketing/"news" crap that's spouted from the "mainstream" media. Brilliant. I can't wait until all of the Atkins diet people start needing some new kidneys. They ain't gettin' mine.

Re:Atkins... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294014)

Instead of listening to scientists who refuse to look at new possibilities, I'm open. I look at the fact American obesity, type 2 diabets rates, etc are at an all time high, and the fact "low-fat" diets have been preached as they rose. (Yes, correlation does not equal causation, but it is worth investigating.) I look at what this diet has done to Native Americans, who are even less equipped than Europeans to deal with this type of diet.

If you're diabetic, high blood sugar (from a high carb diet) will kill you much quicker than anything else in your diet. Even if you inject the fastest insulin available (Humalog, etc), it still takes time to work, and during that time, you will see a BIG blood sugar spike.

Re:Atkins... (0, Troll)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294098)

First off, yes, Americans are fucking huge. True. See any correlation between McDonald's and Wendys on every corner and their fat asses. And yes, low-fat diets have been preached forever, but you see anybody following them? As a proud owner of McDonald's stock, I'm very happy to see people *not* following those low-fat diets. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see this. Stand outside any fast food restaurant for 5 minutes. Where are all of those Atkins wonder-people? Generally, all I see are fat people, and even fatter people.

As far as diabetes, I have no clue as to what you're talking about. You must be working for Atkins, and you probably just copied and pasted the wrong paragraph here. That's all right. You're an obvious troll.

Re:Atkins... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294134)

low-fat diets have been preached forever, but you see anybody following them?

Yes, all those people buying "Snack-Wells" because they're low-fat and eating the entire box.

Where are all of those Atkins wonder-people?

Not at McDonalds perhaps?

As far as diabetics, I'm pointing out a CLEAR example of the negative effects of the high-carb diet they preach. "You must be working for Atkins" No, and that just shows how close minded you are. I'm not even on Atkin's diet.

Re:Atkins... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294107)

There's a bit of nazi moderation if I've ever seen it. Disagree with it, mod it to -1.

Greek Gaming (2)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293871)

The decision last week that ruled the Greek ban on video games as unconstitutional has been overturned

Wouldn't that be in violation of the EU Human Rights directive that came in force, or does a basic human rights charter not cover entertainment?

Re:Greek Gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293947)

Human rights only apply to humans, while this is obvious to me, it evidently doesn't quite fit into the category of 'common sense'.

Re:Greek Gaming (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294067)

Meh, people don't come at things from the point of view of UN Human Rights. They just think of the short-term "what's best for our community" and then push through whatever they want. Human rights be screwed.

For example, many collages and universities have compulsary unionism, or by default you're enrolled in a union. This is against the UN Human Rights, not that anyone cares.

People pick and choose laws to suit them.

Why Windows Has The Edge (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293872)

I could have been that woman. But after using an Apple iMac for two months, I'm not. And that's what this column is about. I know there are people out there struggling with Windows. Computers are complicated machines. I get more than 50,000 call attempts per hour on my national talk-radio show, the majority of which are questions from Windows users.

Actually, I considered not writing this column, regardless of the test results. Writing about Windows versus Apple is a no-win situation.

But if you disagree with my conclusions, please think twice before flaming me. My opinions are honest, I promise. I tried hard to be very fair to both sides. And just to set the record straight, I was not influenced one bit by the fact this column runs on a Microsoft-owned site. In fact, I started my testing months before I began contributing weekly columns to Microsoft bCentral.

Let's get started

My odyssey with the iMac started back in May, when I was asked by Apple Computer if I would like a three-month loaner. Well, what the heck? Send it on, I said.

The big test started in June, when I hauled it out of its box. Hmmm, I thought, this is one cute little guy. I was immediately reminded of the TV commercial where the man on the sidewalk strikes poses, and an iMac in the store window mimics him.

If you haven't seen the iMac, let me describe it. The computer itself is inside a round base. Attached to that is an arm, and a 15-inch flat-panel screen sits on the arm's end. The screen is easily adjustable, so you can always look at it head-on.

The keyboard is encased in clear plastic, as is the mouse. Even the speakers are clear plastic. The iMac is very, very stylish. Surrounded by Windows machines in my offices, it looked like a debutante at a frumps' convention.

Time to do some work

I was determined to do all my work on this machine. I wanted to give it a thorough test drive. We have a building full of Windows computers, networked via cable. The first test was getting the iMac on the network. That was a piece of cake. Just a few entries were needed in System Preferences.

The computer came with Internet Explorer, and I installed Netscape for e-mail. Apple has a native e-mail application, but I couldn't get it to work. That was no big deal, really.

I have had some experience with Macs, but it had been a while. So I had to learn the iMac, which was running the OS X operating system. My productivity immediately plunged. The iMac will do most of what Windows does, but it often does things differently. The Help system was somewhat sketchy, similar to Windows.

But once I got to know the iMac, I found more similarities between Windows and OS X than differences. The filing systems are alike, to a great degree. Windows Explorer's counterpart is Macintosh HD. There are differences in the ways files and folders are manipulated, but they are minor.

One of the great things about Windows is "Alt+Tab," with which you can jump from window to window. On the iMac, it's "Cmd+Tab." Instead of showing the selection of windows in the middle of the screen, the selector moves through them at the bottom of the screen. The thing at the bottom is the Dock. It took me a little while to figure out what was happening. But it's actually very similar to Windows.

We do lots of writing here at Komando Town, and Microsoft Word is the preferred application. Swapping the Mac files with my staff on Windows machines was no problem.

Word files opened easily in either system. Things seemed seamless, whether we were writing on the iMac or the Windows machines. We did little with Excel and nothing with PowerPoint, but I'll bet they would have been equally flawless. So if you're using Microsoft's Office package, you should have no trouble swapping files.

The iMac came with ClarisWorks, a less capable office package. I didn't use that, although I have ClarisWorks for Windows on an old machine. I always liked that old version of ClarisWorks.

Speed can be an issue

The only disappointing aspect of the iMac was its lack of speed. Don't get me wrong: It wasn't that it was particularly slow -- in general, it was just a few seconds slower than my Windows machine. But when you're used to instantaneous response, any lag can be aggravating.

The most irritating drag came when jumping between Internet Explorer and Word. The iMac would sometimes take a couple seconds to make the switch. Netscape also was slow. Moving between folders or opening the New Message window seemed sooo slow. However, that may have been a Netscape problem.

The most startling difference was in the application of Adobe Photoshop filters. I used an 11-megabyte TIFF (uncompressed) file on both machines. The Windows machine was much faster.

My Windows machine is not the latest and greatest. This particular machine has a 1.533-gigahertz chip from Advanced Micro Devices. With Intel chips approaching 3 gigahertz, my AMD machine is at the bottom of the Windows heap. Nonetheless, it is nearly twice as fast as the iMac's 800-megahertz Motorola chip.

Apple buffs argue that chip speed is a misleading measure. AMD, which trails Intel in chip speed, makes the same argument. I agree, up to a point.

The quality of the hard drive, memory, bus, video card, etc., also affects a computer's speed. But, golly, 800 MHz just isn't very fast today. Given the difference in chip speeds, though, the iMac did pretty well. My hat's off to Apple's engineers.

A few other issues with the iMac:

A one-button mouse. Actually, the entire mouse is the button. I'm used to using the right button and scroll wheel on my Windows mouse. Really, Apple, you could do better than this.

The 15-inch monitor. Apple has begun shipping iMacs with 17-inch screens. I'm used to using a 21-inch CRT monitor, and the 15-incher was just too small.

No floppy drive. I know 3.5-inch floppies aren't used much anymore. But the need does arise occasionally. The iMac should have a floppy drive.

But the biggest setback is the iMac's price. Depending on the configuration, you'll pay anywhere from $800 to $2,000 for one. You're going to pay hundreds less for a comparable Windows machine. This has always been a problem for Apple. For the extra cost, you get a lot more style. Only you can decide what that's worth.

The iMac comes with some highly touted multimedia software. That wasn't important to me -- I used the iMac as a business computer. There is a great deal of multimedia software available for Windows, too. I doubt that the iMac software is a great advantage.

The bottom line

So, if you're struggling with Windows and you think that an iMac will allow you to focus more on your business and not on computer issues, should you switch? I vote no.

Don't get me wrong. The iMac does its job well. But it is no more intuitive than Windows XP.

OS X crashed just once during the test. I've been running Windows XP Professional for almost a year, and it is equally reliable. As I said, computers are complicated machines. You have to make the effort to learn them, whether Apple or Windows.

As I packed the iMac back into its box, I felt a pang of regret. I had grown fond of the little guy. But, frankly, I'm more impressed with the quickness of my Windows computer. As for me, I was happy to get back to my "horrid little machine." I missed him.

Re:Why Windows Has The Edge (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294056)

Just a few responses to some of your comments....
1. offtopic.
2. cd-rw = floppies now.
3. off topic.
4. you need Mozilla
5. off topic.

So I am not entirely off topic: Kudos to the open source community for fixing Mozilla so quickly after discovering the Mozilla bug! I use Mozilla in every OS I encounter - including Mac. Best browser, bar none.

And one last comment for the "Anonymous Coward:" I suggest leaving your Mac opinions at home. It is only asking for flames. It is an interesting feature of the Mac... undying loyalty. Now where did I put my Mac Classic?

Re:Why Windows Has The Edge (1)

penginkun (585807) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294140)

Ah, the Mac Classic...that was a great little computer. For $1,000 you got a machine with an 80mb hard drive and 2mb of RAM. It was expandible to double that. Wow. I bought one and it was my machine for several years. I'd love to have one again. I'd prefer an SE/30, but I'll take what I can get. This iMac is getting too fast for me. ;)

Same story you read? (5, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293877)

I'm not an Atkins partisan (snacking on carrots right now, in fact), but the NYT article is far less negative than the write-up suggests. It acknowledges it's a very effective way to lose weight, warns that it hasn't been studied comprehensively by independent researchers and that it has been linked to kidney stones, warns that it's low in some vitamins (you can buy them in pill form, you know) and then goes on an accurate but point-missing bit about how Americans aren't gaining weight because of too high a percentage of carbs in their diet.

And closes with Brody saying she thought of it first.

Re:Same story you read? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294046)

Americans ARE getting fat because of too many carbs. Try both a high-carb and low fat diet, and a low-carb high protein diet and see which one gives better results.

Oh, wait, you're a slashdot user - you need your 60oz of bawls and Mountain Dew every day just to survive.

Re:Same story you read? (0, Flamebait)

cicatrix1 (123440) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294068)

You could just make millions by writing a book to get Americans to stop eating Twinkies and McDonalds. On my college campus, every day I see fat people and skinny people. I swear to god the fat ones are always carring some horrible "food" like McDonalds or a candy bar or a shake. People are fat because they want to be, and then they go and cry about it.

plato story (4, Interesting)

rvr (15565) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293880)

Back in the 80s I was going to UofAlberta and I stumbled upon the plato system. I tired it out a few times and it seemed pretty neat. I remember wondering why I had not heard of it before.

One time I was doing some medical simulation. I remember that I had a patient and no matter what I did he didn't seem to be doing better. I recognized all the medical terms except one so I tried it. I selected Lumbar Puncture and man did his vitals ever drop fast! He was the only patient that died under my care. Actually the correct procedure was to immediately transfer him to a hospital at a major centre.

Gaming Ban. (1)

TheDefunctMunky (566913) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293885)

I don't understand why Greece would put a ban on gaming. It is understandable for gambaling purposes, but ALL forms of gaming, I think thats just wrong

Re:Gaming Ban. (1)

pyrros (324803) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293934)

Yes it is wrong. and stupid, and unfair.

But that's not the funny part: the DMCA is wrong and stupid and unfair too, but at least it got passed because of lobbying. This law got passed out of sheer idiocity and ignorance. I shiver at the thought of what would come out if our polititians (i'm greek) where actually bribbed.

Re:Gaming Ban. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294136)

That's funny, really.. bugger a boy and you're normal in Greece - but you play a lousy game and all of a sudden jail's almost too good for you. Fscking Greek retards.

No Known Security Bugs (2)

alanjstr (131045) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293888)

Just because there are no publicly known security bugs, that doesn't mean Mozilla is security bug free. There could still be some undiscovered or some that are still marked as eyes only. Look how quickly they fixed it once it was public. Look how long it took before they went public. But that won't stop me from using Mozilla.

Re:No Known Security Bugs (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293904)

Just because Mozilla is not publicly known to call 911 and then format your hard drive, that doesn't mean it won't. This "feature" could be undiscovered, or marked as eyes only. But that won't stop me from using Mozilla.

Re:No Known Security Bugs (2, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294002)

Also, Mozilla is relatively new. More importantly, Mozilla has about 1/100 of the users that IE has, meaning that that's also 1/100 fewer people seeing any potential bugs.

Re:No Known Security Bugs (1)

Moloch666 (574889) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294154)

Good point, but out of the few Mozilla users most are probally developers and would be the ones most likely to catch such bugs.

Re:No Known Security Bugs (4, Funny)

mmol_6453 (231450) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294117)

That's why they said "No known security bugs"

Which is still an enviable record.

I can think of thou--er...several bugs in IE, starting with the first by--er...starting with Microsoft's unwillingness to deal with the issue unless it was getting bad press.

I was going to post all the PLATO emoticons (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293893)

but the fucking lameness filter blocked me again. Damn you Jamie!

I've lost fifteen pounds with Protein Power (5, Interesting)

goingware (85213) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293899)

A similar diet to Atkins, but probably not so radical, is Protein Power [powells.com]. I've been on this for a few months, but haven't been completely faithful to it.

I've lost fifteen pounds, and am still losing weight. I also have stopped having attacks of hypoglycemia, which used to happen almost every day.

The diet emphasizes low carbohydrate (max 30 grams a day - I can eat half an english muffin a day, and that's about it), and moderately high protein, but really emphasizes eating lots more vegetables.

They don't pretend that it's balanced nutrition, and explicitly say that one must take vitamin and mineral supplements, which I do.

Once I lose all the weight I want, I can increase the amount of carbo I eat, but I don't think I ever want to go back to the level of carbohydrate intake I used to have - a couple of cans of Coca Cola Classic a day along with a heaping plate of spaghetti.

I've tried low-fat diets before and never had any luck with them. Neither have I been able to lose weight purely from exercising since I've been in my 30's (worked in my early 20's though). But I feel better enough with the Protein Power diet that I have started bicycling again for the first time in several years (but I haven't bicycled so much that my weight loss can be attributed to exercise yet).

I weigh 235 pounds, down from 250. My aim is to weigh 180. I'm 5'11".

Be very careful with this diet!!! (4, Interesting)

Critical_ (25211) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293976)

Make sure you drink a lot of water since your kidneys will need it. High protien diets eventually lead to kidney stone formation. Have you ever tried to pass a stone? Trust me, its not a walk in the park. As much as you are trying to lose weight based on the type of food you consume, you must also excercise. I run about 3 miles a day which takes me about 30 minutes to complete. I make sure that I eat whatever I want, but I am capping my calorie intake at 1500 cal/day. That 3 miles of running is about equal to 500 calories burned so in essence i take in only 1000 cal/day. Once I reach the desired weight, I can increase calorie consumption to 2000 cal/day and run every other day to maintain it. I weight 215 at the begining of July. I weight 184 as of this morning.

Whatever you do, just remember... high protien diet MUST MUST MUST be accompanied by lots of water and frequent trips to the bathroom! Good luck.

Re:I've lost fifteen pounds with Protein Power (3, Informative)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293990)

Low fat diets are not always the answer. I tried them too, and I just made it up by overeating carbs.

There is also some evidence that moderate increased protein consumption can help control appetite, but it should take the form of very low fat sources (ie/ soy or egg whites).

However, if you are on less than 100g of carbohydrates everyday, you are only losing water. You need to regularly get your bodyfat measured to ensure that you are losing fat and not water/muscle. I would wager you have lost a lot of lean tissue+water as well as fat.

Here is a quote from a Registered Dietitian regarding low-carb diets (link [dietitian.com]):

"A 25+-year-old female needs 50 grams of protein per day. Protein is used to build and repair lean muscle tissue. This would not provide enough glucose to prevent ketosis. A diet of 500 grams of protein per day would be equal to 71.4 ounces (4.5 pounds) of meat, fish or poultry. Do you really think you wife can eat that much? (Did you mean 50 grams?) Also, since most sources of protein also have fat, I would guess that a diet that included 500 grams of protein would also inherently contain at least 214 grams of fat. (One ounce of lean meat, fish or poultry has 7 grams of protein and 3 grams of fat.) A diet high in protein usually turns off the appetite (as do the ketones being produced) and puts a strain on the kidneys. Proteins are large molecules and you blood is constantly filtered by your kidneys.

Twenty grams of carbohydrate is only 80 calories. If the remaining calories are protein and fat, she could be eating 35 ounces (2.2 pounds) of lean meat. Could this be possible?

I would bet that a lot of the weight your wife has lost is water because each gram of glycogen in muscles and lean tissue holds 3 grams of water. When you deplete glycogen, you lose water. Muscles and lean tissue are 70% water; fat is only 15% water. Usually these low carbohydrate diets encourage 8 glasses of water per day. This is to help flush the ketones out of the body through the kidneys and to prevent dehydration. One method of determining if you are dehydrated is to grab a pinch of skin on the back of your hand and let go. If you skin snaps back flat, you probably are not dehydrated. Also, look at the color of your urine. During the day it should be colorless and odorless unless you take Vitamin C supplements which will turn your urine yellow."

Re:I've lost fifteen pounds with Protein Power (-1, Offtopic)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294005)

You need to get on the Jimmy Tango weight-loss system. Lose a hundred pounds in just 4 days with a combination of regular exercise and powerful amphetamines!

Re:I've lost fifteen pounds with Protein Power (2)

stuffman64 (208233) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294151)

Although the Protein Power diet is nice, Weightloss For You [weightloss-for-you.com] has a much more comprehensive diet plan. We (yes, I am affiliated with company) offer a complete system, which includes everything from snacks and vitamins to a comprehensive online management program to track your results. The diet is inspired by the Atkin's diet, but is much more refined and easier to follow. We don't use dangerous weightloss drugs like ephedra, which can cause more harm than good, and eventually lead to regaining any lost weight. Check out the site if interested.

Diets suck (5, Informative)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293920)

I like to call the Atkins diet the "make yourself sick diet" (someone elses quote, can't remember who - some registered dietitian) - If I remember correct, you survive off of ketones instead of glucose, which makes you somewhat ill and accordingly, you lose your appetite, eat less, and lose weight.

The best diet is one that you can stick to. I have lost ten pounds over 8 weeks without ever feeling hungry or giving up junk food. I did it by following the food guide, walking/cycling, and lifting weights.
Keep in mind, this is a net of ten pounds lost - I have gained muscle mass.

To anyone that wishes to lose weight or just eat healthy, check out the book "The American Dietetic Association's Complete Food and Nutrition Guide" - it dispels a lot of common myths (ie/ you must increase protein consumption to build muscle but not carbohydrate consumption) and is very informative.

If you just want the basics, check out Food Guide Canada [hc-sc.gc.ca] or The USDA Food Pyramid [usda.gov] for more info.

There are alternatives to these as well. I don't have any links handy, but there are pyramids for a Meditaranian (sp?) and vegetarian diets as well. A lot of vegetarians are actually in terrible health because they don't eat enough protein or are missing vitamins - if you wish to give up animal products, do make sure you read up on a healthy vegetarian diet!

A really good website is also at Ask a Dietitian [dietitian.com] - lots of good questions answered there. (Check out the icon if you bookmark it - a little penguin :)

Lastly, if you are interested in weightlifting, do it right! Use an abbreviated routine (no more than three lifting days per week) and stay away from the muscle comics and expensive supplements. I personally will eat an energy bar if I'm on the go, but wasting money on Myoplex is pointless when a chicken sandwich will work just as well.
Check out the misc.fitness.weights [trygve.com] faq or the iron page at stumptuous.com [stumptuous.com] for some good tips.

Re:Diets suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293962)

No, ketones are a by product of breaking down fat.

Re:Diets suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293991)

Atkin's has nothing to do with less of an appettite. I have several close friends on the Atkins diet, one of which eat huge ammounts of bacon and close to 6 eggs per breajfast. And yet he is LOSING WEIGHT.

Why don't you do a little better research instead of whoring for karma with false facts and weak opinions.

Re:Diets suck (1, Offtopic)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294034)

Atkin's has nothing to do with less of an appettite. I have several close friends on the Atkins diet, one of which eat huge ammounts of bacon and close to 6 eggs per breajfast. And yet he is LOSING WEIGHT.

Why don't you do a little better research instead of whoring for karma with false facts and weak opinions.


Who is Karma whoring? If I was a karma whore, I would probably not flame so many people...

Anyhow, your friend is probably losing just as much lean tissue and water as fat. See my message above.

What you are professing is called anecdotal evidence (look it up). Maybe your friend is losing only fat. Maybe your friend is a freak of nature. Not likely though - likely your friend is losing mostly water.

Re:Diets suck (1)

pao93 (555117) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294021)

You're absolutely right. There's one sure fire method of losing weight (and getting in shape): burn more calories than you intake. It's such a simple formula, but you know what, it works. And it doesn't mean you have to stop eating good and healthy foods (and junk food too sometimes, though you find the more you exercise the less you desire it). Just make sure you burn more kCal on the treadmill, lifting weights, rowing, whatever if you enjoy eating. as i do! c

Re:Diets suck (1)

MalleusEBHC (597600) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294022)

The best diet is one that you can stick to. I have lost ten pounds over 8 weeks without ever feeling hungry or giving up junk food. I did it by following the food guide, walking/cycling, and lifting weights. Keep in mind, this is a net of ten pounds lost - I have gained muscle mass.
I agree. While I must admit I am lucky to have better than average metabolism, I've never understood why people go for all these fancy diets rather than trying to eat decently healthy and do a good workout (about an hour) each day. If I get lazy and lax for a while, I'll put on a few pounds, But I'll be damned that if I start working out and eating right I'm not in decent or better shape within a month. Too many people look for the quick fix.

muscle comics? (2)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294051)

Use an abbreviated routine (no more than three lifting days per week) and stay away from the muscle comics ...

You mean like this one [dolfzine.com]?

Re:muscle comics? (3, Informative)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294082)

Hehe, no I mean like this one [musclemedia.com]

They are heavily biased (ie/ Last I heard, Muscle Media is owned by Bill Phillips, who owns EAS, a supplement company) and have some insane routines that would easily be overtraining for someone that's not on roids.

Re:Diets suck (1)

rc27 (601744) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294163)

Not to mention the fact that it is damn near impossible to do a real weightlifting regimine while intaking little to no carbs.

Greeks better perfect that record ripping code... (0)

Error-404NotFound (598574) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293922)

cuz they arn't doing much else with their computers anymore (like my witty into that combines two stories :) )

I seriously LOVE the idea of converting a record image into a real song, i'll have to try it out... too bad he doesn't have binarys included...

As for the Greece gaming ban, they will pretty much have to ban the whole internet because any ol' Joe Greek can go to www.shockwave.com or a similar site and game away...

Two grooves on one side! (0, Offtopic)

Fluid Truth (100316) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293928)

The album "The Monty Python Matching Tie and Handkerchief" is supposed to be the first three-sided record. One of the sides has two grooves. I wonder what that would do to the optical scanner....

Let's look at the look at Atkins (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293930)

Title: "High-Fat Diet: Count Calories and Think Twice"

Count calories? Everyone realizes that if you eat more calories than you burn, you will gain weight. However, on an Atkins diets, one of the common effects is a loss of appetite, which results in fewer calories in. Ever eat a high fat meal and feel really full? Yup, that's the fat at work. Ever suck a whole bag of chips or a box of cookies down? That's those speedy carbs at work.

"But in a major report last week, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies emphasized the importance of balance of nutrients, with carbohydrates -- starches and sugars -- making up 45 percent to and 65 percent of daily calories"

And this is different from the current party line how exactly? It's not. It's the same thing they've been preaching for 30 years as American obesity has gone through the roof.

One question I'd like to see answered is how long anyone can stay on such a scheme and what happens when you start adding back some of the wholesome foods limited or forbidden on this diet, like sweet corn, grapes, watermelons, potatoes, carrots, beets or oatmeal.

You don't go adding those things back. It's not just a "weight loss" diet, it's a "way of life" diet. It's like saying "How long until a vegetarian starts adding on the bacon, hot dogs, hamburgers", etc. When they do that, they're no longer in that group, and the benefits they see start dropping off.

Why hasn't the government tested it? One possible reason is that it is unlikely to be approved by any review committee, given what is known about the effects of animal fats and cholesterol on the risk of heart disease, strokes and some cancers, as well as accumulating evidence that diets rich in fruits and vegetables and moderate in protein and fat can prevent diseases like high blood pressure, prostate cancer, heart disease and diabetes.

Excuse me? It's think a chicken and egg problem? We can't test the effects of that because we think the effects are bad? If they won't test it, how do we really know what the affects are? The Atkins side says its the high carbs, not the fats, in the diet that are causing the health problems. The western diet has been shown to have a severe negative affect on many non-westerns. Look at Native Americans. Their rates of obesity, high blood pressure and diabetes are huge thanks to this "healthy" high-carb diet.

The Atkins diet is shy on several vital nutrients, including the B vitamins and vitamins A, C and D, antioxidants that slow the effects of aging, and calcium. And, a diet rich in animal protein can draw calcium from the bones, increasing the risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures.

Sigh. Atkins himself tells people to take multivitamins and calcium supplements. There are certain types of foods we simply don't eat often in modern society (organ meats anyone?) so that we miss out on some crucial vitamins.

First, Americans are simply eating more -- an average of 400 calories a day more than they did decades ago.

And why is that? Could it be the fact that with less fat to make them feel full, and they eat more carbs, which leads to them eating even more carbs?

What it all comes down to is the fact we need to test these things rather than repeating the same thing for the past 30 years that IS NOT working. Yes, change hurts, but sometimes it is necessary.

Re:Let's look at the look at Atkins (1)

spoco2 (322835) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294129)

Urgh... more damn 'get thin quick' diets... And more people saying that the increase in obesity is due to people cutting out fat too much...

Crud.

There are more fat people about because the vast majority of people do NOT eat healthily, relying far too much on junk food which have high levels of fat and sugar (Which becomes fat if you don't use it) and low levels of anything actually useful for the body.

They don't execise enough... Most people's lifestyles are becoming more and more sedatory... we work at computers or desks, we get our entertainment from sitting in front of a TV... it used to be that work was primarily composed of manual labour jobs, and recreation was from DOING things rather than watching them on TV.

No food is bad, just the amounts that people choose to eat of one sort of food is.

The amount of f&*king Coke and Mountain Dew etc that some people drink is absolutely ridiculous! How can people not expect to put on weight when they guzzle litres of the stuff every day... mmmm, sugar... mmmm, not using it while I sit at this computer, mmmmm... I'm putting on weight! That's not fair.

Oh bah and humbug... eat a more balanced diet, try actually cooking some healthy food yourself, and excercise a bit... even if it's just some walking each day... hell, I choose to walk to the train station, and from that to work everyday just to keep a bit of excersise in my daily routine, and it works... I feel fitter and more alert for it...

The same people who look for the 'get thin quick' diets are the same people who go for the 'get rich quick' schemes.

optical playback of vinyl not new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293938)

I remember reading about a record player that read the LP not with a needle but a laser. It was listed in the now defunct DAK catalog. Anyone else remeber this or can find info? It had to be almost 15 years ago I saw this.

However the ability to "play" LPs now with a COTS scanner is cool, even if the general idea has been around for a while.

How about the "Eat less, exercise more" diet? (5, Insightful)

Hobart (32767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293941)

Golly, instead of using some crazy protein diet, I just quit eating so much (Most restaurant meals are 2x the food , so I would take some home, and cook for myself) and exercising. Now I have half the body fat percentage and 30 pounds less fat. :-)

Re:How about the "Eat less, exercise more" diet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4293989)

The Atkins diet does generally result in eating people less. It does it through ketosis, and the associated appetite loss. And, plenty of people on Atkins exercise, too.

Re:How about the "Eat less, exercise more" diet? (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294035)

Yeah, of course that's the best way to do it, but the Atkins diet is popular because most people are such goddamned lazy, fat slobs (especially in the US). They're so desperate for an easy way that they can look decent and still eat like a pig at a trough, so they're gonna defend it to the death, even though it does god knows what to your kidneys, and clogs up those oh-so-unimportant arteries faster than you can say "lard ass".

I agree. Eat less. Exercise. Works great for me too.

Re:How about the "Eat less, exercise more" diet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294093)

even though it does god knows what

You'd think scientists would want to figure that out, wouldn't you? They're quite lazy themselves it seems. Quite easy for them to point at one study and one particular "negative" and say the whole thing is bad.

clogs up those oh-so-unimportant arteries faster than you can say "lard ass".

Yeah, I guess those people that have gone on the diet, lost weight, and ended up with lower ldl cholesterol, triglyceride counts and blood pressure are all just crazy! And the type-2 diabetics that have gone on the diet and gotten off medicine for the disease are crazy too!

Re:How about the "Eat less, exercise more" diet? (0, Troll)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294118)

Look Dr. Atkins: We're on to you. Now quit trolling. Go away. None of these poor, fat, computer geeks need your bullshit miracle cures. Life's a bitch. Everything that tastes good is bad for you, and everything that tastes like shit is good for you. That's life. Go sell your snake oil elsewhere.

Re:How about the "Eat less, exercise more" diet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294147)

The king of trolls saying someone else is trolling?

Mozilla bugfixed. rah rah. Where's the DEB? (1, Offtopic)

Robotech_Master (14247) | more than 11 years ago | (#4293950)

Well, it's nice that they've fixed a security hole in Mozilla, but when are they going to come out with a new Debian package release? I've never had very good luck with trying to compile Mozilla myself, and I prefer to have as many as possible of the programs running on my system managed automatically by dpkg--and as of this moment, the newest Debian Mozilla even in Unstable is still 1.00-3. (I've tried the snapshot version, and found it too buggy to use.)

I've emailed the package maintainer asking when a new version would be out; I've posted about it to the Mozilla newsgroups; I have yet to get a satisfactory answer as to why the Debian release is one and a half versions behind the times. During the pre-1.0 phase, they could usually be counted on to update to the most recent build within a few days of its release; 1.1 has been out for weeks now and still no sign of improvement!

Re:Mozilla bugfixed. rah rah. Where's the DEB? (2)

krmt (91422) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294004)

Update now. 1.1 is is in unstable as of yesterday, although I don't know about the bugfix.

uhh, check again (5, Informative)

Trepidity (597) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294038)

The current version of Mozilla in Unstable is 1.1-1. See the package page [debian.org]. It's been there for a week now.

If you'd like the packages faster, to get the maintainer's "not quite ready to check into Unstable" mozilla packages (which are still quite stable, just haven't gone through as much testing), add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:
deb http://pandora.debian.org/~kitame/mozilla/ ./

1.1's been available from there for at least two weeks now.

Re:Mozilla bugfixed. rah rah. Where's the DEB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294166)

Are you trolling or what?

If you aren't contributing, and you aren't paying... then shut the fuck up. They don't owe you anything.

This article on Atkins is just wrong. (5, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294018)

Does it help people lose weight? Of course it does. If you cannot eat bread, bagels, cake, cookies, ice cream, candy, crackers, muffins, sugary soft drinks, pasta, rice, most fruits and many vegetables, you will almost certainly consume fewer calories. Any diet will result in weight loss if it eliminates calories that previously were overconsumed.

I eat just as much on the atkins diet as I did before it, if not more. Now instead of consuming calories from carbohydrates, I get them from fat and protein. Fat is much denser in calories than carbohydrates are, unless you're talking about pure sugar.

And hey, what the hell does this paragraph say?

But in a major report last week, the Institute of Medicine of the National Academies emphasized the importance of balance of nutrients, with carbohydrates -- starches and sugars -- making up 45 percent to and 65 percent of daily calories and fats, 20 percent to 35 percent. The panel of 21 scientists also urged Americans to keep as low as possible their consumption of saturated fats, the foods Dr. Atkins recommends as his diet's main components.

"...with carbohydrates -- starches and sugars -- making up 45 percent to and 65 percent of daily calories and fats, 20 percent to 35 percent." Nice ringrish there, sister. I've tried and tried to decipher what this is supposed to say. Does this mean that carbs make up 45 to 65 percent of your ideal diet, and fats should be 20 to 35 percent? Why the spurious "and"? For that matter, the first occurence of "percent" is unnecessary.

That's not an inaccuracy of fact, it's just an occurrect of stupidity.

One question I'd like to see answered is how long anyone can stay on such a scheme and what happens when you start adding back some of the wholesome foods limited or forbidden on this diet, like sweet corn, grapes, watermelons, potatoes, carrots, beets or oatmeal.

The answer: Forever. Some people have been on this diet all their lives, healthily. It's used to control seizures. Do some research before you write an article for the New York Times.

Second, what makes you say those foods are so wholesome? Sweet corn is laden with sugar, hence the sweetness. Watermelons are little more than water and sugar. Potatoes are a ton of ready carbs, they're white starch; All of those carbs hit your bloodstream at the same time and get turned into glucose very rapidly.

What is surprising is that after three decades of simmering and soaring popularity, the Atkins diet has yet to be tested for long-term safety and effectiveness.

What's surprising is that people in countries who ate this way in the first place didn't convince you. A dramatically better article (and not coincidentally one I agree with), What if it's all been a big fat lie? [nytimes.com] (Also in the NYT, free reg. req. etc) points out that people in Italy and the Carribean who ate a lot of starch (classically) tended towards obesity, and other people (who generally ate meat and veggies) did not. Seems simple to me. Being fat is unhealthy.

Dr. Abby Block, nutritionist at the foundation, said studies of the Atkins diet lasting six months to a year and extensive clinical experience, have shown consistent improvements in blood lipids and glucose levels, suggesting that the diet can improve health despite its high levels of saturated fats and cholesterol, long associated with heart disease risks.


Why hasn't the government tested it? One possible reason is that it is unlikely to be approved by any review committee, given what is known about the effects of animal fats and cholesterol on the risk of heart disease, strokes and some cancers, as well as accumulating evidence that diets rich in fruits and vegetables and moderate in protein and fat can prevent diseases like high blood pressure, prostate cancer, heart disease and diabetes.

"high levels of saturated fats and cholesterol, long associated with heart disease risks."? Let's talk about how high levels of saturated fat and cholesterol became associated with heart disease risks. As per the NYT article I cite above, the last time the government spent our money studying fat, they spend several hundred million dollars trying to prove a link between fat/cholesterol intake and heart disease. They managed to prove only that treating cholesterol with drugs lowered the risk of heart failure. THAT'S IT. From that we got the food pyramid, which puts carbohydrates at the base. Eating tons of ready carbs means your insulin level spikes, and that's hard on the pancreas. And any time insulin levels are above a certain point, you store unused carbohydrates as FAT. You don't have to eat any fat whatsoever to get fat, which I think we all agree is unhealthy.

So in other words, the US government is the last group I'd trust to do a study like that. Last time they tried to prove a link between cholesterol and heart disease, they pushed a bunch of carbs on us and may very well be responsible for early onset diabetes and the american obesity epidemic.

The Atkins diet is shy on several vital nutrients, including the B vitamins and vitamins A, C and D, antioxidants that slow the effects of aging, and calcium. And, a diet rich in animal protein can draw calcium from the bones, increasing the risk of osteoporosis and hip fractures.

Wow, it sure is a good thing that "they" invented vitamin supplements. Otherwise that might be a real problem, eh?

When nutrition experts began urging Americans to cut back on fats, many filled in by eating more carbohydrates -- a lot more than anyone recommended. Food producers jumped on the bandwagon to produce low-fat snacks and desserts, and Americans went hog wild, eating as much of them as they wanted.

You know, that's what we were told to do. The government as much as told us that it was fat that made you fat, and we responded by eating carbs. Anything with "low fat" on it sold like, er, hotcakes. Which are made out of refined flour, which is the same as sugar once you have digested it.

Dr. Denke concurred: "No matter what anyone tells you, it's calories that count. Carefully controlled metabolic studies show that it doesn't matter where extra calories come from. Eat more calories than you expend and you'll gain weight."

This is horseshit too. While you are in ketosis, you do not store fat. When you have unburned fat, you remove it from your body by an ancient process known today (medically) as a bowel movement. You don't gain it as weight.

Hence the Atkins diet makes it completely unimportant to count your calories, except to make sure you have enough. As long as you don't eat carbs, your insulin level stays low, which means you don't leave the state of ketosis. Ketosis also has benefits to health, including slowing the rate of lean muscle loss. Furthermore, as I alluded to above, the reduced glucose levels inhibit stroke activity, and the reduced load on the pancreas dramatically reduces the risk of diabetes.

Mankind did not evolve to eat carbohydrates in any significant quantity. We grew up eating meat, vegetable-type plants which are not generally high in carbs (Except from fiber, which is indigestible), and limited quantities of carbohydrates.

I want to know which cracker and chip company commissioned this FUD.

Atkins diet (4, Insightful)

olevy (63189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294023)

I actually started on the Atkins diet as a result of that NYT article. I have been wondering how healthy this diet is long term so I turned to this article with interest. Unfortunately the writer apparently never bothered to actually find out the specifics of the Atkins diet.

Some misconceptions:

* Can't eat many vegetables such as carrots. Actually there are three different phases of the diet, and only on the first and shortest phase is this true.

* Lacking in vitamins. Again this is mainly true of the first phase and less so in the later phases. The Atkins book *strongly* emphasizes the need for taking a wide range of vitamins. Only someone who never read the book could not have noticed this -- vitamin taking is an integral part of the diet! And at any rate now that I am on the long term maintaining part of the diet, I doubt that I am lacking in vitamin intake now.

* The diet is boring and focused mainly on saturated fats meat (ie beef). Again, only someone who has not looked into this diet seriously could make such a claim. Ironically, as a result of this diet I have been eating much *more* vegetables than I would have otherwise. I've also been eating a wider range of foods.

But even more important than that is that she never directly comes to terms with the first articles main theses -- it is an outright scandal that the Atkins test has never been properly tested. Her response is just the sarcastic:

"Why hasn't the government tested it? One possible reason is that it is unlikely to be approved by any review committee, given what is known about the effects of animal fats and cholesterol on the risk of heart disease, strokes and some cancers, as well as accumulating evidence that diets rich in fruits and vegetables and moderate in protein and fat can prevent diseases like high blood pressure, prostate cancer, heart disease and diabetes."

In other words the first NYT article was right -- the establishment already knew what was the correct answer and weren't about to let an inconvenient thing like science get in the way! The problem this poses for me is that when I try to find truly, objective scientific points of view -- they are hard to find if they exist at all in the world of nutrition!

So.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294043)

Slashdot is doing advertising for weight-loss programs now as well? How sleazy do you plan on getting, Malda?

Next I suppose we'll see huge, rectangular ads in the articles for steroids and debt consolidation..I'd say you'd put on ads for penis enlargement as well, but I doubt you'd embarrass yourself that much.

Atkins diet or Diet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294054)

I have talked to several doctors, nutritionists and students of various subjects (including those) and when asked about the "Atkins Diet" many will say that at its core it is really an alternate recommendation of daily diet for everyone. One person said (and others echoed when I related this) "Atkins took the pyramid we all know and love and turned it on its head."

I have seen many going through very a very strict regimen of dieting that following Atkin's advice they avoid starch whenever possible and eat a LOT of protein. Basically, they seem to take an extreme aspect of the Atkins diet. I hope people will not confuse the two, as in reality the theory is that as the biological creatures we are, we should take in more protein and much less complex carbohydrates. More importantly is that there is indeed a difference between a naturally occuring complex carb and one that is result of food processing. Not just to lose and not just to regulate actual weight (or fat) the diet entails a way of eating that is more in harmony of what our systems need. That means things like, more brain power, stronger bones, healthier skin, all that crap. If you are a military man (Military, not uniformed... if you don't know the difference then don't worry about it) then focus on what the warrior has known for centuries... eat that meat! If some pinko asshole tries to tell you potatoes are better, then just walk on by and eat your chicken in peace. In the event you are ever on an extended campaign and food is scarce then you will be glad you have those extra energy stores based on amino's instead of the stores of fat some others will have. (Fat ain't bad, but by itself it is not too good on your blood or cellular (esp skeletal muscle) chemistry)

Don't be one of these freaks that makes their diet their life... I mean live a little for crying out loud.

ok, end of memory dump... feel free to research this stuff on your own.

gaming ban in greece and courts (4, Informative)

Lalakis (308990) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294058)

The decision last week that ruled the Greek ban on video games as unconstitutional has been overturned, and a new trial has been ordered.

Well, that is not accurate. The decision of the court hasn't been overturned! The case will just move to the appeals court and we will see what happens there.
The only court in Greece which is allowed a final decision on a subject, which can't be overturned by someone else, is the supreme court. So, until the case comes to the supreme court, it isn't closed.

Optical record thing. (3, Insightful)

Lordfly (590616) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294061)

Good to know that the guy finally released the source code. It was depressing watching all the "elite" slashdotters on here blasting his idea away, debasing him with a bunch of random equations and "laws of physics". Now that it's open source, you can all move your feet to your mouth :)

Lordfly

Record ripping confirmation? (0)

Error-404NotFound (598574) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294062)

Has anybody out there compiled and tried the code? i don't have BC++ so i'm outta luck.. it seems that Dev-Cpp doesn't have all the libs.

Perhaps a better option than atkins (2)

Joe Tie. (567096) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294072)

Caloric restriction with optimal nutrition. [calorierestriction.org] Currently this is the only method shown to extend the maximum lifespan of a variety of mammals. While it still can't be verified to extend maximum lifespan of humans, the current ongoing primate studies have so far shown the same effects as in mice and other animals. Humans on it have also shown the same changes in their body function as the other primates. If ones needs to improve their eating habits, might as well gain as much additional benifit from it as possible.

Atkins Trolls? (3, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294076)

What I'm wondering, is with the overwhelming number of posts saying, "I'm on the Atkins diet! I'm thin, trim, good-looking, and healthy!", is the Slashdot audience really such a fat, lazy, gullible, stupid bunch, or are there a lot of people who work for Atkins posting here? This is very, very wierd.

Re:Atkins Trolls? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294174)

What I'm wondering, is with the overwhelming number of your posts saying, "People on Slashdot are fat lazy bastards!" are you really this mean, do you have any friends and do you really have such a low opinion of other people? What's very very weird is the fact you don't get modded down.

Hate "and more" (0, Offtopic)

maitas (98290) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294094)

What I really hate about Slashback is the "and more" part, it forces me to read on just to be sure I'm not loosing anything... Please post the full abstract!

Re:Hate "and more" (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294111)

Your mom is loosing

Fristy Pr0st! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294099)

Taco is a whore!

my diet (2)

RestiffBard (110729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294103)

I eat two bagels in the morning with cream cheese, work like a dog all day, then I eat whatever I can find sometime around 6 or 7. Then maybe once a month I eat like a fly (as in nothing but sugar for a day). Basically the same weight I was in high school, 175 or so.

For Sale (1)

limekiller4 (451497) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294105)

Boy, if only they had put this much criticism into the so-called "Food Pyramid" which doesn't make one whit of distinction between a slice of white bread and a slice of whole-grain, maybe we wouldn't be in this ****ing mess.

Of course there isn't any correlation between our governments lack of intervention in this scientific experimental disaster in which our populace played the part of the guinea pig and the fact that carbohydrates are dirt-cheap to manufacture and have the largest markup. We all know that our politicans are honest and would never, ever vote anything but their conscience no matter how much money you threw at them.

Looked at the price of a box of cerial lately?

If the low-carb craze wasn't pushed through (the sortid details are outlined in the original NYT article [nytimes.com]) by a lot of money provided by those who stood to gain, it sure as hell was kept there by it.

Frankly, I know the right way to eat. Just look at any bodybuilder. No, I'm not suggesting that you should want to look like one, but Jesus, if anyone knows how to eat properly, find one and ask, it's no secret. Skinless chicken, baked potatoes with the skin still on, brown rice. Lather, rinse, repeat. Doesn't mean you have to be this extreme, but there is your foundation. Eliminate soda from your diet alone and you'll probably lose all the weight you want.

And yes, I'm on the Atkins diet. Why?

First, I believe that when you eliminate fats, you throw out the good as well as the bad. Actually, that's certain.

Second, I have no gastrointestinal problems, ever. I had a pretty hard stomach to begin with, but it could be upset and to be blunt, zero gas now. None.

Third, no sugar swings. This means I don't crash mid-day or ever, for that matter. I get hungry but it's more of an "oh, I'm hungry" sort of thing as opposed to "dear god I can't even think unless I get something to eat." I eat whenever I'm hungry and sometimes that is 2x a day (my meals are about 400 calories each) and sometimes it's 5x a day.

No, I don't have constipation, though I don't doubt that some do. No, I don't smell funny, or at least the girlfriend has never thought so. Anyway, I'm rambling now.

No bugs? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4294110)

So I guess with the release of XP SP1, there are no known bugs in Internet Explorer either?

Forget the diets and get out and PT! (1)

baxshep (463848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294131)

Get up an hour earlier and run 3 miles or better yet SWIM! Swim at least a 1000 meters (20 laps) a day and eat what you like and stay in shape.

Diets.... (2)

NetJunkie (56134) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294144)

My problem with the Atkins diet is that people treat it as a diet. I've known many people to go on this diet and I think every one has put the weight back on. Why? They treat it as a diet. Yes, you lose weight but as soon as you go back to your old habits you'll get it right back. Those habits got you there in the first place. Three months of losing weight won't make you suddenly not gain weight when you go back to your old ways.

Good health and keeping weight off requires a lifestyle change. Don't overeat and eat the things your body needs. Get some good exercise and do it right.

Personally, I hit the gym almost every day. I enjoy it a lot. I also eat so much better than I did 5 years ago and I don't miss it one bit. It's not hard to eat healthy and you'll save money doing it instead of eating out all the time. Since 98% of Slashdot is men I recommend you check out Men's Health magazine. It has some very good info in it....

Lifestyle not diet (2)

Pedrito (94783) | more than 11 years ago | (#4294186)

Atkins is okay as a diet, but a diet implies temporary. Low carb is a good way to lose weight at a reasonable speed (don't lose more than 8-10 pounds a month). High protein diets can eventually cause kidney stones. Drink lots of water, take vitamins, and eat as many veggies as the diet will allow, but it's also okay to take a break from it every once in a while.

I'm currently in a break from my low-carb, fairly high protein diet. I've lost about 15 pounds in my first 2 months. Most of my carbs came from salads, though. That's really the best way to do it, and you do need multi-vitamins on this diet.

I'm not an expert, and Jane Brody may know a lot, but for a long time, the mainstream doctors have been slamming Atkins and his diet, and a lot of them are starting to have second thoughts about that now.

What it comes down to is that doctors know a hell of a lot less than a lot of them think they do. I remember in the 70's hearing so much about how salt was so bad for you. A lot of people actually tried to cut all the salt out of their diet. What happened? They died of heart attacks caused by a salt deficiency.

Moderation, moderation, moderation (not the Slashdot kind). You can diet, but diet in moderation, and when you're off your diet, eat in moderation, and eat smart.
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