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michael posted about 12 years ago | from the viral-memes dept.

KDE 307

e8johan writes "The KDE PIM Team will integrate all their applications into one common interface and create an Outlook-like application.This is being done in the Kroupware project commissioned by the German government. There is a prototype of KOrganizer with KMain embedded into it (shots 1, 2), and another prototype with KMain running as a KPart in Kaplan (shot 1, 2, 3). This looks hopeful and if they manage to build the application as flexible and modular as other KDE projects this will hopefully mature into something great." Kroupware is a catchy name, but I wonder if the KDE team is aware of the English word croup.

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What I really want to know... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320768)

Do they honor first post?

Re:What I really want to know... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320781)

This fp is claimed for Sexualass Pussy, as long as he replies wit good straight pr0n.

HAH! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320794)

Awwwww YEAH!!!!

Read it and weep, suckers!!!

1st? (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | about 12 years ago | (#4320772)

post?

First! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320773)

Say it!

Krustys Komedy Klasics. (0, Offtopic)

Kenja (541830) | about 12 years ago | (#4320779)

Quoth the Simpsons.
Krusty : "KKK? Thats not good."

Re:Krustys Komedy Klasics. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320854)

Thanks for the joke.... too bad some moderator can't tell offtopic from a hole in the ground...

Yay (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320789)

More mindless microsoft copying from the assholes at KDE. Fuck those bitches.

whatever happened to Magellan? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320790)


wasn't it supposed to be the Outlook/Evolution killer?

kI'm k-r00d (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320795)

KI kam ka k-rood knerd. Ki kuse kgnome kbecause kkde ksux0rz.

too many k's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320800)

kde and the kde naming scheme is a real tongue twister kde kdevelop koffice ....

say that 10 times fast

Re:too many k's (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320840)

kde can call kde components Knames, comme/i Kdevelop Koffcie Kroupware, but can't KDE call Kproducts non k names?

Re:too many k's (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321095)

How much "k" kould a kde-developer kraft if a kde-developer kould k-develop k?

Re:too many k's (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321163)

say that 10 times fast

That
That
That
That
That
That
That
That
That
That

OK, what do I win? :o)

This is huge (5, Interesting)

ViceClown (39698) | about 12 years ago | (#4320804)

This is exactly what KDE needs. Best of luck to the PIM teams because this is the final piece of the KDE on the desktop puzzle that businesses need to supplant outlook/exchange. If it hooks into a nice backend as easily as Outlook does to exchange then we're looking at a contendor.

phoenetics (0, Flamebait)

Satai (111172) | about 12 years ago | (#4320805)

I'd be much more worried about the superficial phoenetic similarity to "Krautware," which I think could be much more detrimental to this German project.

Seriously, this is the kind of thing that can cause big problems later on.

Re:phoenetics (1)

nadie (536363) | about 12 years ago | (#4320978)

This applies to a lot of kde apps. Aestheticly, I find it ugly. A bit more serious, is it's fascist/racist connection. Here in Canada, when we want to imply that society is racist/fascist (KKK like) we spell it Kanada. It's probably too late for the kde people to change the name, too bad.

AS ong as it stays modular. (1)

Thatto (258697) | about 12 years ago | (#4320812)

Another step in the right direction. Just as long as the KDE group doesn't stray from open standards like other software companies.

evolution (2, Insightful)

asv108 (141455) | about 12 years ago | (#4320817)

I'm a kde user but I also use evolution. Why would I want to switch to Kroupware when evolution already does this and has the ability to connect to exchange servers? Aren't KDE and Gnome already redundant enough?

Re:evolution (5, Informative)

cxreg (44671) | about 12 years ago | (#4320850)

A large part of this project is the server-side, grouping together existing applications (cyrus IMAP, OpenLDAP, etc) to provide a "Groupware server".

You should be able to use Evolution with all of those parts anyway (and actually, currently I don't think Evo supports stuff like LDAP and shared calendering, a project like this might influence support for such things).

Re:evolution (3, Informative)

KeyserDK (301544) | about 12 years ago | (#4320931)

i know evolution does support LDAP.

dunno about the shared calender stuff =)

Re:evolution (5, Funny)

edrugtrader (442064) | about 12 years ago | (#4320857)

if you feel you can be a respectable KDE user while using software that doesn't start with "K", then go ahead...

Re:evolution (1)

Ummagumma (137757) | about 12 years ago | (#4320867)

... and all for $69/seat. Plus, you have to still purchase MS Exchange2000, with client licenses. Not cheap.

How is the support on Ximian Connector when something goes wrong?

Re:evolution (2)

tempest303 (259600) | about 12 years ago | (#4320935)

Connector only applies to hooking into *Exchange*. It won't apply to Kroupware.

Re:evolution (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320896)

So what? It's a matter of choice. Besides, while evolution runs fine, it renders terribly with too many 'assumed' window/font sizes, i.e., does not scale well to power users with 1280x1024 and 1600x1200 screen sizes. In contrast, Outlook rendering scales well. KMail adherence to KDE style/theme scales well, and it is replete with expected mail client features.

It would benefit all to see it all bundled into one, integrated package and UI.

Re:evolution (5, Insightful)

rocjoe71 (545053) | about 12 years ago | (#4320909)

Actually, when it comes to KDE and GNOME, you can't get redundant _enough_!

If we all stopped at the point where somebody says "It's been done before" we wouldn't have Linux, KDE or GNOME and I'd be posting to /. in IE.

Why not compete? I bet with a little pride on the line, Kroupware and Ximian could take turns leap-frogging each other, possibly resulting in having TWO products that outstrip Outlook!

Re:evolution (2)

danimal (1712) | about 12 years ago | (#4321050)

If we all stopped at the point where somebody says "It's been done before" we wouldn't have Linux, KDE or GNOME and I'd be posting to /. in IE.
no, you'd be posting it under the NCSA Mosaic browser.

Re:evolution (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320947)

sorry, but you are NOT a kde user. KDE users never reply such a crap like you.

right... then you must be one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321100)

...since kde users only seem unintelligable bullshit posts like yours.

or yours! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321130)

hahaha, jackazz

yes, eat dicks (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321153)

i am a kde users, so fck you too!!

croup == outlook (-1, Redundant)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | about 12 years ago | (#4320818)

0croup

A viral disease, often caused by respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), which results upper respiratory symptoms such as a runny nose and a barky (seal-like) cough. Episodic difficulty in breathing can be quite dramatic in some cases.


Funny, that's how I feel when using Outlook. So maybe the name IS appropriate...

Re:croup == outlook (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320885)

In French, "croupe" means "butt".

Re:croup == outlook (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320908)

Since it's comissioned by the German government, the project will be known forth as Krautware ... ;)

parent Redundant (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320948)

compare parent to this comment [slashdot.org]

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320828)

If Red Hat adopts this (instead of going off and doing their own thing), then we might have a great competitor for Micro$oft Losedows' killer app -- the calendaring function.

Time wasted (2, Insightful)

darthaya (66687) | about 12 years ago | (#4320839)

So much precious OOS developer time wasted on reinventing the wheel.

Imagine if we have a KDE compatible/look like evolution, we can save so much time in redoing just another outlook client - kaplan, which is basically the same thing as evolution.

I dont ever need to use two PIM client (outlook clone) that has identical functionality but with two different set of configuration files and stores my information differently.

Re:Time wasted (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321056)

Evolution is NOT integrated with the rest of KDE.. different widget set, library requirements, config files. Maybe if Evolution was cleanly split up into a backend and a frontend where someone can write a KDE based Evolution, they wouldnt have to reinvent the wheel as you say.

Re:Time wasted (3, Insightful)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | about 12 years ago | (#4321075)

What makes you think that twice as many developers on one app will make that app come out twice as fast or twice as good?

And what if all the developers work on one app and it sucks? The net result is we will be even further behind Outlook. If we have two or more projects in development at least if one sucks, others will come out on top.

We have that much over Microsoft - if they fuck up, they're fucked. Look at .NET - they are putting *everything* behind it - if they drop the ball with it, it isn't going to work. If we fuck up (*cough cough* united linux *cough*) at least we have other distros/apps/forks/etc to fall back on.

Re:Time wasted (3, Insightful)

IIRCAFAIKIANAL (572786) | about 12 years ago | (#4321101)

I dont ever need to use two PIM client (outlook clone) that has identical functionality but with two different set of configuration files and stores my information differently.

Oops. I forgot to comment on this. I agree with you here - we need a standard format (open good, standard better). Different apps, same storage format. Ain't gonna happen but it would be nice.

Just what we need.... (0, Offtopic)

Jaysyn (203771) | about 12 years ago | (#4320843)

... more SickWare...

It was a joke, laugh...

Jaysyn

Ugh... (2, Troll)

intermodal (534361) | about 12 years ago | (#4320845)

why would anyone want anything along the lines of outlook? If I want mail, I'll use a mail program. If I wan't a calendar or planner, i'll use a program that does those things. Having a giant program that sucks and does a billion things you probably don't want or need isn't the answer...just because people are used to it doesnt make it a good program or idea.

Re:Ugh... (1)

buswolley (591500) | about 12 years ago | (#4320932)

But you aren't the business majority. Period.

Re:Ugh... (2, Insightful)

Rude Turnip (49495) | about 12 years ago | (#4320958)

So don't use it. That's why I just install the browser component of Mozilla and use Pine for my personal email. For work purposes (at least mine and many others), an integrated groupware suite is the best way to go.

In an office environment, especially one that's all about communicating ideas amongst coworkers and clients, you'd be running all those separate programs at the same time anyway. You might as well have all that stuff (mail, shared calendar, contacts, appointments, meetings) stuck in one window.

Another advantage of an integrated suite like Outlook or Evolution is that you can have a single homepage-type screen that neatly summarizes any new mail messages, tasks or meetings for the day or next few days outwards.

Re:Ugh... (1)

Strog (129969) | about 12 years ago | (#4321016)

Do you have a calendar/planner app that can be shared and do resource management?

This product might not be for you but it definitely is a need for many people. The ability to email back and forth to coordinate in the same program is useful. Tasks can tie in too but I really don't see a lot of need for the journal in Outlook. Maybe that should be a seperate program.

Re:Ugh... (1)

Simn (10257) | about 12 years ago | (#4321027)

And the name of the beast is Emacs? :-)

Re:Ugh... (2)

swb (14022) | about 12 years ago | (#4321041)

I agree generally, but in a setting where you have collaborative calendaring how am I supposed to invite you to a meeting? Write an email and have you stick it on your calendar program seperately? Or use the unified application to check my calendar, schedule the meeting and send a notice to each person, who can then accept/reject and have it put on their calendars automatically?

There's also the notion that internally these programs and their servers work by passing messages; in many ways its already email internally.

Re:Ugh... (4, Interesting)

gi-tux (309771) | about 12 years ago | (#4321043)

As a geek, I would agree with you. As a past sys admin for email and scheduling, I would have to disagree with you. I managed email and scheduling for a 4500 employee business and we used separate email and scheduling systems (based on Linux/Unix servers). The biggest complaint that I got was that the users had to keep two applications opened to do the job. Another was that it was hard to get reminders emailed to you or meeting invitations emailed properly. The administration liked the fact that we didn't have outlook/exchange and thus avoided many problems (virus problems, etc.), but the users complained all the time.

Also remember that a big part of this is getting something that works client/server. This is one of my personal complaints. I would love to have a scheduling server at home for the family. We have a busy family life and keeping up with everyones schedules would be so much easier if it were in a centralized place. I used to use Star Office as it included email and scheduling, yes I actually bought it for the scheduling server. I didn't really like the one big application, but it had what I needed and thus was my choice. But Sun dropped the email client and the scheduling stuff and that leaves me out of luck.

Re:Ugh... (2)

liquidsin (398151) | about 12 years ago | (#4321105)

Linux is about choice. If you don't want it, don't use it. If you want it, it's available. If it's not available, as is the case here, somebody can make it -- maybe even you! Mozilla comes with a browser, mail app, irc, and who the hell knows what else. I only install the browser. If other people want the IRC client, they install it. If you want to use pine for your mail, go for it. But this is exactly what some people want, and if it means they'll use linux if they can get it, then code away.

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320849)

Exactly what is the reason the government spends our tax-money on this?

Wonderful (1)

Junky191 (549088) | about 12 years ago | (#4320852)

Well at least they now have scantily clad women in the ads for this story, marking the first point where the ads started becoming more fascinating than the storeis on slashdot.

More (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320855)

More Krashing Krap from KDE!

Not the last step (3, Insightful)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | about 12 years ago | (#4320856)

I've been seeing people say 'this is the last step' or similar things, about some type of 'outlook killer' app for Linux. It won't be the last step. By the time there is something that is workable/usable for the majority of companies, there will be some other roadblock/obstacle which people start saying 'we have to have or we can't switch'. I'm not saying I necessarily even know what that is at this point, but it'll happen.

First it was web browsers.
Then an office suite.
Now an 'outlook' killer.
What next? `

Personal security/prefs setting ala 'passport'? Though that hasn't seemed to have taken off as pervasively (or publicly) as might have been. Honestly I can't think of what it might be, but there'll no doubt be some other area of corporate culture MS gets embedded into quickly, which will take years to wean people away from (if in fact they want to get weaned away - if it works for them, just let it be).

Re:Not the last step (-1, Troll)

buswolley (591500) | about 12 years ago | (#4321066)

one word: Troll. Maybe several times. Troll. Troll. Troll. C'mon.

Re:Not the last step (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321143)

Ha ha He asked for it.

Re:Not the last step (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321073)

You're absolutely correct. Microsoft's constantly evolving licensing policies guarantee most US businesses won't make a switch because they'll be penalized.

It is the conservative nature of most companies (not the quality of the product) that ensures Microsoft's continued dominance.

But that's just my opinion...

Re:Not the last step (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321088)

I'm still waiting on the office suite myself...

AC

}:-O Hey!!!! (5, Funny)

Soko (17987) | about 12 years ago | (#4320862)

Kroupware is a catchy name, but I wonder if the KDE team is aware of the English word croup.

Hmmmmm.....

A viral disease, often caused by..

Well, it _is_ supposed to be an Outlook replacement, isn't it? ;-)

Soko

I suspect the "K"-naming was the (1)

GauteL (29207) | about 12 years ago | (#4320863)

.. whole reason behind the quote from the Red Hat developer about "crapland" in KDE.

The KDE-naming scheme is sort of a legal crapland. Namely the Killustrator, Krayon, etc.-issues.

GNOME and GTK+-developers are of course also sometimes guilty of this.

Why does everything have to be named "K-something" or "G-something"? I don't find it catchy at all.

As They Say.... (0, Flamebait)

Tsali (594389) | about 12 years ago | (#4320918)

"The 'K' stands for quality."

Re:As They Say.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320959)

No, the K stands for Kwality

Re:I suspect the "K"-naming was the (1)

CableModemSniper (556285) | about 12 years ago | (#4320951)

'Cause everything used to be x-something. (ie xterm, xclock, xetc.) They are just adopting the x naming convention. Just how you know everything that starts with x is an X11 app, you know everything that starts with a K was designed with KDE in mind as the desktop environment. It's a similiar situation with GNOME and GTK.

True it has come a bit cliched, but if you are browsing thru freshmeat and you see a Ksomething you immediatly know what environment it has been designed to run under.

Of course I could be completely worng about th whole K, and G things. Heck I could be wrong about the whole X thing for that matter. I just pulled this off the top of my head. But maybe, just maybe, I'm right. But then again I'm probably wrong.

Wasn't the trend the other way around? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320865)

I thought everybody was bashing groupware apps because of their huge memory and disk usage (what if you dont want a specific functionality like is my case with Mozilla Mail under Windows - it insists it needs to install Mozilla Browser also). What if you dont want to download all that mess? what if you only want a contacts program and want to use Evolution for mail? Instead of this, they should get to gether into modularizing all these small apps and let the user put them toghether into a common app or window. Now this would be revolutionary.

'Croup' Has Another Meaning... (4, Funny)

John Hasler (414242) | about 12 years ago | (#4320872)

...It refers to a portion of the back end of a horse. This makes it quite appropriate for an all-in-one "Outlook-like" application.

Ballmer's picture (-1, Offtopic)

Tetrik (412055) | about 12 years ago | (#4320874)

Did Zdnet purposely make that picture of Steve B. look very, very scary?

This is so great! (2)

wulfhere (94308) | about 12 years ago | (#4320880)

This is so freakin' cool. Kmail has been my email client of choice for two years now, and I would love to use both kmail and korganizer without switching from window to window.

The fact that all this is going to tie into a non-proprietary groupware backend is icing on the cake for me. The company I work for has been interested in groupware for some time, and I can finally stop fending off the requests for MS Exchange from our Sales dept.

--Wulfhere

Temporary name (4, Informative)

Otter (3800) | about 12 years ago | (#4320882)

Kroupware is a catchy name, but I wonder if the KDE team is aware of the English word croup.

It's been pointed out to them and they've explained [kde.org] that it's a working name, not a final decision.

Meanwhile, I've tried to suggest that the developers of the Perl/QT [kde.org] user interface compiler choose a less disgusting name than "puic" ...

Croup (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320884)

"...but I wonder if the KDE team is aware of the English word croup."

Considering that Microsoft shuns GPL'd code more than virus, it is indeed more than appropriate.

Is this supposed to be good? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320888)

Is it the governments job to take tax-money payed by all of us and put them into projects that competes (unfairly) with the products we make??? We (both in the sense of companies and as employees in those companies) must balance income with expenses, they can just pour in how much tax-money they want to.

I'm not talking just about this particular project but generally speaking.

Re:Is this supposed to be good? (3, Insightful)

Fugly (118668) | about 12 years ago | (#4321042)

Is it the governments job to take tax-money payed by all of us and put them into projects that competes (unfairly) with the products we make?

Is the government supposed to squander our tax money on over-priced software produced by a company constantly in court due to anticompetitive business practices and abuse of its monopoly? I see where you're coming from but it's not that simple. Frankly I'd rather compete against open source apps in a truly open market than compete with microsoft.

Server ? (1, Insightful)

vluther (5638) | about 12 years ago | (#4320898)

The client looks fine and dandy, it looks like a wrapper for a bunch of different programs.. and people are already asking how is this better than evolution.. so KDE and Gnome have their own Outlook killers, but where is the Exchange killer ? I don't want to see screenshots of people's emails, I want to see screenshots of the tools an admin would use to configure the backend, how would I administer the calendaring portion of the server ? How about users email ? where is the equivalent of MMC ?.

Or do they still expect the admins to use vi, or kate to edit config files ?. Editing config files is fine, but with the targetted goal of the system, it will be too complex to remember which config file changes x and y. We need good, cross Environment (Kde or Gnome), tools to do this.

Wake me up when those are ready, I can't code, and I can't learn how to code and start contributing to this project by weeks end. I really hope the govt focuses some of this talent towards the Admin side.. I'm sure they will. But, I felt like beating a dead horse.

WAKE UP! (5, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | about 12 years ago | (#4321110)

You said to wake you up...

From the link in the article...Kolab is the name of the server component.

Archetecture Paper [kroupware.org]

Once again a /. comment that goes off ranting without folowing any of the links in the story...

Re:WAKE UP! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321149)

Once again a /. comment that goes off ranting without folowing any of the links in the story...

he said he can't be bothered to learn to program,
so why should he bother to click the link and read?

it's a lot easier to sit an screach and squawk and
feel all important and smart.

This is kantastic! (5, Funny)

moertle (140345) | about 12 years ago | (#4320900)

Now I kan run kroupware on my komputer and kmanage my kalender and kmail in one kapplication.

Khe kells kea khells by the keakhore.

BUSH = RECESSION (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320917)


Check it out [nytimes.com] .

Mmmm (4, Funny)

falameufilho (563216) | about 12 years ago | (#4320925)

KDE development is bound to hit a brickwall in a couple of years, as they're only so many nouns in english that begin with "K".

Re:Mmmm (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321082)

Any that use the hard C can also be used. Kalculator, Kommander, Krybaby. Not sure where that last one kame from.

Re:Mmmm (3, Insightful)

liquidsin (398151) | about 12 years ago | (#4321136)

Nonsense! They've already invented words like 'kmail', 'killustrator', and now 'kroupware'. They've just begun!

Re:Mmmm (1)

grungeman (590547) | about 12 years ago | (#4321144)

The word "Kacke" is still available (look it up by yourself).

So, which standards / protocols does it use? (2)

lightspawn (155347) | about 12 years ago | (#4320940)

A project like this may be nice for all-linux companies, but it's ultimately meaningless in the big picture unless it implements standard protocols (or, in case there aren't any, microsoft protocols).

Croup? Ew...... (-1, Offtopic)

Ride-My-Rocket (96935) | about 12 years ago | (#4320942)

They should just call it Nasal Gonorrhea and be done with it. :)

Love the hypocrisy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320967)

You just gotta love it when people talk about Outlook being a bloated piece of evil-ware by Moft.

And looky here, we have outlook for KDE.

Way to go.

(btw, I'm all for an outlook for KDE - just hope it has an API and object model nearly as good as outlook's - or else there'd be no point).

Sounds awesome but... (2, Insightful)

sawilson (317999) | about 12 years ago | (#4320977)

The thing that bothers me about
applications/desktops/wm's/etc
that are made to look exactly like
microsoft applications is that it
only fuels the argument that no
actual innovation is happening.
There seems to be too much
emphasis on making things as
pretty and familiar as possible
for the annoyed windows user looking
to migrate, and less emphasis on
making something unique and earth
shatteringly ground breaking. I'd
think it would be more important to
make something that is so much
better that it's forgone conclusion
as to whether or not you want to bother
playing with it.

I don't know any English-speakers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320983)

who are aware of the English word "croup", so I don't think it will be a problem.

Re:I don't know any English-speakers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321173)

croup n. The rump of a beast of burden, especially a horse.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.

All this... (-1, Redundant)

pheared (446683) | about 12 years ago | (#4320989)

...Brought to you by the letter 'K'.

KDE sucks (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4320998)

Read here how much KDE sucks. You KDE faggots will never beat the hell out of GNOME. Click Here [osnews.com] On the long run KDE will die.

Typo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321000)

Blockquoth the submission:
There is a prototype of KOrganizer with KMain embedded into it (shots 1, 2), and another prototype with KMain running as a KPart in Kaplan (shot 1, 2, 3). This looks hopeful and if they manage to build the application as flexible and modular as other KDE projects this will hopefully mature into something great.
Shouldn't KMain be KMail?

Random lyrics post!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321005)

Mercyful Fate - Nuns Have No Fun

Upon a cross a nun will be hanged
She will be raped by an evil man
Knock spikes through her hands
Things won't come she won't understand

You're a nun you haven't had no fun
Living your life as virgin queen
I'm gonna change it and I'll get it done
Tomorrow you won't be a virgin queen

C. U. N. T. that's what you are, you're C. U. N. T. yeah
I get it up, I get it up in the dark
I make her feel I'm not a holy man
Faster breathing, she's like a shark
She want's more, I'm gonna give her my cross

Nuns have no fun, They just have their fathers and sons
But I'll give them hell, I never fail
Nuns have no fun, They just have their fathers and sons
But I'll give them hell, I never fail

I get it up, I get it up in the dark
I make her feel I'm not a holy man
Faster breathing, she's like a shark
She want's more I'm gonna give her my cross

C. U. N. T. that's what you are, you're C. U. N. T. yeah.

Re:Random lyrics post!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321025)

Since this is a KDE story, you should have used K.U.N.T.

But will it sync with my Zaurus? (-1, Redundant)

Johann (4817) | about 12 years ago | (#4321013)

Still waiting for either Evolution or this new KDE application. Yes, I know about QTopia Desktop which is fine for minimal stuff. I'm looking for more features, dammit!

Engineers and User Interfaces (1)

grungeman (590547) | about 12 years ago | (#4321049)

You can either look at the sceenshots or read this [dilbert.com] to learn that engineers should never create user interfaces.

Kroupware is a HORRIBLE name... (0, Redundant)

GroundBounce (20126) | about 12 years ago | (#4321054)

...at least in English.

I sure wish the KDE team would krow out of this keverything-kmust-kstart-kwith-a-K naming convention and realize that their creative horizons can really be much broader.

Korrection (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321098)

kreative.

FYI (3, Insightful)

|DeN|niS (58325) | about 12 years ago | (#4321090)

The different "modules", i.e. the mailer part, the calendering part, etc, are implemented as KParts. This means that you will be able to specify which KPart you want to embed for what functions (similar to how you can choose which text editing widget you want to use, KVim as Konqueror's textarea anyone?).

It also means it is mostly "just" a shell around existing components, not another re-invented wheel. Not more bloated than running the components seperately (probably less overhead even, because you only need one KApplication instance).

In a sense it is tying existing technologies together (think back-end here too, using Open Source tech) into a slick package.

You don't *have* to use it, but corporate settings will probably like it.

As for your tax money (you live in Germany?) paying for the development, would you rather see the money go to Microsoft and get a product in return which will need upgrading eventually? Oh, and *you* personally don't get anything out of it, whereas now you get to use this development to your heart's content. And even if you don't like to use it personally, you'll be able to deploy it for your clients so they can at least use open technology).

To loosely quote Miguel de Icaza: it's not about making money, it's about *solving the problem*.

Personally, I'd happily pay 1% extra taxes to Germany (and I don't even live there!) to be used on similar projects because they benefit *everyone* (read below before you say "except software companies").

You see, times change. It used to be good business selling boxed software, but it's becoming less and less so. The trick now lies in providing a *service*. There will always be a need for skilled IT people, but to provide services, not simply products. I.e. a company specifies what their infrastructure needs to do, what requirements there are, etc, and you implement it using open source technology. There are no purchase or license fees (apart from specialised high-end software) and the value is in how well you set things up. It works for me :)

Killer application. (1)

oddmundk (611142) | about 12 years ago | (#4321118)

Good good good. This is the way to go. The linux platform needs a killer application like this. I think another ide is to make an application which incorperates both M$ Project and M$ Outlook. That is an application every economic would die for, and remember economics rule the world!

Its a shame (2)

ACK!! (10229) | about 12 years ago | (#4321124)

Aethera is out there and I barely understand why the KDE folks don't put their full effort behind it instead of rolling their own.

I barely understand this because it is not officially a KDE program but a QT program. Still, how many times does that darn wheel need re-inventing?

If the source is available shouldn't there be a way to get the program to tie into KDE better as opposed to figuring out a whole new approach?

Does anyone know the reasoning behind this?

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And the theme music will have to be.... (1)

Dj (224) | about 12 years ago | (#4321128)

A new version of Apollo 440's Krupa...

Now Back To Kroupware's Synchronised Bytes...

croup (1)

reitoei1971 (583076) | about 12 years ago | (#4321150)

Does Kroupware include a steamy bathroom? If so, this adds a whole new value to the program. I've really been wanting to remodel. With this I even get all the plumbing and wiring diagrams!!

How about (2)

sulli (195030) | about 12 years ago | (#4321151)

Kroupier? they could use cool casino graphics.
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