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PCs Losing Out as a Gaming Platform?

michael posted about 12 years ago | from the linux-gamers-out-in-the-cold dept.

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Snibor Eoj writes "The Boston Globe Online has an article by Hiawatha Bray discussing the state of gaming on PCs and consoles. He points out that PC users now suffer the same fate as Mac users have for years, that of waiting for a great game that's already out on another platform. Consoles continue to gain market share, and software companies are noticing that and writing more and earlier for consoles than for PCs."

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I MISSED FP BECAUSE OF ANAL WARTS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321279)

First pr0n! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321280)

First pr0n!

Re:First pr0n! (-1)

Sexual Asspussy (453406) | about 12 years ago | (#4321293)

you lying sack of shit. here's the first pr0n for fucking real.

Joshua could hear them downstairs. It was starting again. Every single night while he would try to go to sleep, the same shit would start. He could hear his father's voice getting louder and faster as the worthless fuck wound himself into a tantrum, and he could hear his mother's sobbing get louder and more shaky by the moment. The violence would be starting soon.

It had been so long that Joshua couldn't even remember a time when it wasn't like this. His father would just sit on his ass every day, drinking beer and watching TV, while his mom went out to the office. Then he would bitch her out when she got home about how the house was a hell-hole and that a decent wife could keep it in better shape. She would make dinner for him because "Only women and faggots cook," and he would invariably start bitching about some minor detail. The peas were overdone. The steak was too tough. He would find something. His father expected no less than absolute perfection in all things, and was always ready to say so.

Joshua rubbed his nose remembering the time his father had punched him in the face for missing a spot while mowing the lawn. He had been 11 at the time. "Anything worth doing is worth doing right the first time." Joshua had tried to explain how he didn't see it, when his father hit him. The old man would accept no whining or excuses.

Joshua had spent his whole life trying to live up to perfection. He helped around the house, even when his mother insisted he didn't have to. He made the honor roll, not that his father didn't call him stupid anyway. He was captain of the wrestling team, even though only his mother ever should up to tournaments. He had gotten a job at Wal-Mart and helped pay the bills, even though his father called him a leech. He would do all these things and more if he could, if only to see that sweet, sad look of pride in his mom's face.

It was his mother who spurred him on to perfection. His mother was perfection, if only the old fucker would ever realize it. She held down a full-time job and made enough money for them to live comfortably, kept the house clean if not spotless, cooked divine meals, and was incredibly good looking on top of it all. Joshua couldn't think of a single girl his own age who even looked that good. His mom could have been a model easily.

Tonight it was going to stop.

Joshua sat up and slipped on his robe. He could hear his father's high-pitched screaming. He walked down the stairs to the kitchen. He could see his mother balled up next to the sink sobbing, and his father shouting at her.

"Why the fuck can't you just do something right for once, you stupid cunt? All I fucking ask is for a clean home and a half-way fucking decent meal, and you can't even do that! Bad enough I have to spend my days out pounding the pavement trying to find a job without having to deal with you and your retard shit!"

"Stop it," Joshua said firmly. His father wheeled around and looked at him. "What did you just say, you little shit?"

"I said, 'Stop it'. You aren't going to do this any more." Joshua said, his voice firm. "I'm sick of listening to you. I'm sick of your hypocrisy. You just take and take and take and never give anything back. You are the worthless one here."

His father's face twisted into a mask of rage. "You, you....FUCKER!" He screamed as he charged Joshua with upraised fists. Joshua grabbed his father's arm and spun, swinging the old man into the kitchen wall. He grabbed his father by the neck and held him against the wall. "Get out of this house," he spat into the terrified face of his father, "Get out of this house, and never, ever, come back. Or so help me God you will die."

He dropped the old man to the ground. His father looked at him fearfully for a moment, than grabbed his coat off the kitchen table and ran out the door. Joshua heard the car start and peel out of the driveway. He looked over at his mother. She was trembling, and on her feet walking towards him. "Joshua...?"

"It's okay Mom. I won't hurt you."

She ran up and hugged him. "Oh Joshua, thank you!" She was crying, and hugging him close. Joshua pulled her against his body. She was soft and delicate, and she smelled wonderful. Her breasts were pushed up against his chest, and she was breathing softly on his neck. His cock grew hard against her body.

His mother stepped back. "Oh god baby I'm so sorry please I...", she started to babble when Joshua shushed her.

"It's okay Mom," he said with a touch of embarrassment, "I mean it's only natural thing to happen when I'm next to a beautiful woman, and..." She started crying again. "Oh god, Mom, what's wrong?"

She looked up at him, smiling and crying at the same time. "Do you know how long it's been since someone called me beautiful?" she said.

Joshua took her in his arms and held her tight again. "Oh Mom, you are beautiful, and intelligent and kind and devoted and sexy..." he said before he even realized what he was saying.

"Sexy, huh?" his mother said, her voice catching. She looked into her son's eyes. "You are a very handsome young man yourself." The words almost caught in her throat. She kissed him. Joshua felt himself melt into the kiss. Her lips were so soft against his. Their mouths opened and their tongues met, sparring lightly with each other. Joshua sucked the breath from his mother's body, and she pushed her hips against his crotch. Joshua's mother pulled away and started to go up the stairs. She turned to look at him. "Aren't you coming?" she said coyly. Joshua practically ran after her. His mother giggled. She lead him into his room. She kissed him deeply again.

"I love you, Joshua. Not just as my son, but as a man too. I've loved you this way for many years now, but I was too afraid to act. I didn't want to hurt you. I know that I am probably crazy," she laughed a little "but I can't stop thinking about you. Please, Joshua. Make love to me."

Joshua pulled off his robe. "I've wanted this for so long too Mom. I've wanted you everyday. You are everything anyone could ask for in a woman." He kissed her hard and passionately, then started to trail kisses down her neck. His mother sighed and slipped her robe off her shoulders, wearing nothing but her white panties underneath. Joshua pressed his body against her, kissed a trail down her breast to her hard nipple. He sucked and chewed softly on her nipple. His mother gasped and then moaned softly. He flicked his tongue rapidly over it and then switched to the other nipple then back. His mother moaned in frustration as he kissed down her stomach, and she pinched her own nipples. Joshua pulled down his mother's wet panties and ran his tongue over her slit.

"Oh God Joshua!", His mother exclaimed. "Oh yes! That feels so good!" Joshua ran his tongue up and down her cuntlips, then spread them open with his fingers and began to lick deep inside her. "Oh yes, ahah, yes, lick mommy's cunt Joshua! Oh yes, uh, uh, lick my fucking cunt!" She pushed his head against her crotch and ground against his exploring tongue. Joshua lapped at her flowing juices. He sucked her clit. "OH! OH MY GOD YES EAT ME EAT ME EAT ME!!" she screamed against him, her thighs quivering against him. Joshua ran his tongue back and forth over his mother's clit. She shook violently then got onto his bed, spreading her legs. She was breathing hard. "Now Joshua, please...fuck me! Make me yours!"

Joshua knelt between her legs and guided his hard throbbing cock deep into her wet pussy, sliding in with no resistance. "Oh Mom, you feel so good!"

"You feel good too baby! Now fuck me! Fuck me hard!" Joshua started slowly, with deep, hard strokes. He pulled out and pushed in again, each time pushing harder and going a little faster. Her pussy squeezed his throbbing cock. "Oh yes baby, that is it! Oh god it's so fucking big and hard! Oh, oh, aha, ohh..." his mother moaned against him.

"Yes take my fucking cock Mom!" Joshua shouted as he pounded deep into her, the force of his thrusts shaking the bed. "Fucking take it" He screamed, pushing into her hot cunt again and again. "Fuck me, fuck me..." He growled. His mothers hips pushed back to meet his with increasing force. The room was filled with the sound of there moans and of there hips slapping together. "Oh fuck..." Joshua moaned, "oh fuck mom I need to cum..."

"Then uh cum in mommy, baby! YES! Oh! Cum in mommy! Do IT! Make mommy yours, oh god, oh god, uh, uhhh..." Joshua was pounding away with lightning fast strokes now, his cock plunging into his mother faster than he could even think.

"Oh god mom, here it comes...oh..OH.. GOD! I LOVE YOU!" Joshua screamed as a torrent of hot sticky cum flooded his mom's pussy. The shock of the hot sperm filling her sent her over the edge herself, and she shook and screamed in violent orgasm.

"OH YES HONEY OH I LOVE YOU CUM WITH ME YESSS!!", she screamed.

Joshua slid back from his mother, exhausted. His mother then bent down and licked the juices and cum from her son's throbbing cock. "mmmm..." she moaned. Joshua sucked in his breath and shook. He reached down and kissed his mother softly, loving the taste of their passion.

There was a knock at the door. Joshua and his mother both threw on their robes and ran downstairs. The police were at the door. It seemed that Joshua's father, who had been driving drunk and emotionally upset, had been in a head-on collision and killed. The officers offered there condolences, which Joshua and his mother gratefully took. The police left. Joshua and his mother both looked at each other for a moment before a mutual evil smile broke out and they raced back upstairs.

It's the Linux support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321283)

Millions of computer users now use Linux, making it America's fastest-growing gaming solution. All we need is for every major game publisher to support every possible Linux distribution, configuration, and library version, and we're in business.

Re:It's the Linux support (0, Flamebait)

RebelTycoon (584591) | about 12 years ago | (#4321345)

Shut the hell up!

Re:It's the Linux support (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321411)

Millions? How about hundreds? Maybe even thousands. Where does this number come from? Downloads for the next version of Redshit, SuCK and Manjuice? Where are the facts?

And as far as it being a "gaming solution," I'll believe that when I can go to CrapUSA or, better, Worst Buy, Targhetto, or Ball-Mart and pick up more than 0-3 game titles that will work with my own distro.

FPS's... (5, Insightful)

cornjchob (514035) | about 12 years ago | (#4321287)

Anyone here want to sit in front of a T.V. and play Quake III Arena with horrible resolution with a game pade?

Enough said.

As long as there are first-person shooters and need for high-resolution, sharp graphics, computers will reign.

Re:FPS's... (3, Insightful)

tm2b (42473) | about 12 years ago | (#4321307)

Mind you, consoles are starting to support higher resolution output via component video to HDTV.

Re:FPS's... (1)

Nfnitloop (513924) | about 12 years ago | (#4321372)

...which only works for those who either can afford or those who think it's worth the outlandish cost...

Re:FPS's... (3, Insightful)

cornjchob (514035) | about 12 years ago | (#4321391)

But how many of those HDTV outputs are utilized? Unfortunately, for the next 3 years or so, most people won't actually know someone with an HDTV. Computers, on the other hand, provide high-resolution, varied inputs, and a lot of upgradable horsepower--now. And affordably, at that. Upgradable, now, multipurpose, high-compatibility rate, and affordable...how many game consoles can say that?

Re:FPS's... (1)

Nfnitloop (513924) | about 12 years ago | (#4321343)

I was just going to post something to that effect. IMHO, console games haven't improved all that much. I've looked at XBox and PS2 but just don't see the point when I have a great machine on my desk. I'm just as happy playing old Super Nintendo games when I get nostalgic. The console games just don't do anything for me at all, so I probably won't ever buy one.
As long as there's people like that there will be a market for PC games which I believe have much higher standard in quality and playability (the popular ones anyway)

Re:FPS's... (3, Interesting)

BitwizeGHC (145393) | about 12 years ago | (#4321465)

For the most part I'm content to use my PC as my major gaming device, either with native games or through emulation. However... there are occasions when a developer releases a console game that just absolutely blows me away.

Recently this happened with Rez, the immersive musical shooter from Sega. Every gamer should own a PS2 and a copy of Rez. Rez is very hard to describe, but it is a beautiful, enchanting experience, one you will never forget. It is a fundamentally different game from what we're used to seeing, especially on the PS2, whose largest genres are extreme sports games, Bandicoot/Jak & Daxter style platformers, big-boobs-and-guns games (think Tomb Raider or Resident Evil), and Square-style RPG's.

It's things like that that make console gaming a worthwhile endeavor. Not to denigrate the PC, which was host to Doom, the first game to ever truly send chills up my spine. But... innovative gaming comes from unexpected places.

Re:FPS's... (1)

Jaysyn (203771) | about 12 years ago | (#4321429)

Exactly, I don't see them putting a game like BG2 or Arcanum on a console anytime soon. Even if they did, the console versions would lose a major part of what adds to their replayability. You can't Mod a console game.

Jaysyn

Of course, the real problem is (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321288)

the flaming homosexuality exhibited on /. for the fucking love of jesus someone get a fire extinguisher in here.

PCs will never die (0)

Sir Bard (605512) | about 12 years ago | (#4321292)

nothing can be as flexable as a pc

Re:PCs will never die (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321313)

YUO SIR ARE WORNG [goatse.info]

Re:PCs will never die (1)

NetFu (155538) | about 12 years ago | (#4321328)

Yeah, but that's part of the problem -- a Playstation 2 is a Playstation 2, while with a PC there are usually big hardware differences (not to mention software) from one to another...

Re:PCs will never die (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321364)

That's right. On a PC you can run a fucking spell checker.

FLEX-I-BLE.

Well... (3, Funny)

splume (560873) | about 12 years ago | (#4321297)

It appears that Consoles are keeping up with the technology curve. With awesome graphics and storage capabilities, with soon to come internet game play, why not? And why in the hell would you play a game on a 19" screen when a 25"+ is so much better? That, and surround sound with speakers the size of my girlfriend, how can I go wrong?

Re:Well... (-1)

govtcheez (524087) | about 12 years ago | (#4321337)

>That, and surround sound with speakers the size of my girlfriend, how can I go wrong?

So, you play without sound, huh?

Re:Well... (2)

avalys (221114) | about 12 years ago | (#4321357)

25" (or even 35", which I think you meant) isn't so much better - the resolution (even with HDTV) sucks. TV's aren't going to approach 1600x1200 anytime soon.

Re:Well... (1)

splume (560873) | about 12 years ago | (#4321419)

I know this is going aginst the grain here, but I own an xbox and on my 27" the graphics are great. Gameplay is flawless.

I don't think that the super high resolution is all that necessary because how close are you sitting to the tv? 3 feet? I am like 6 feet away, and everything looks sharp. Now, with a computer game, you are what, two feet, tops, away from the screen? Pixilation is going to be much more obvious at that distance, and thus the higher resolutions are necessary. Don't get me wrong, the 320x240 or whatever "regular" tvs are sucks, but from a distance it is hardly noticable.

Re:Well... (1)

jcw2112 (147992) | about 12 years ago | (#4321358)

that's an impressive girlfriend...

Re:Well... (1)

ethanms (319039) | about 12 years ago | (#4321393)

Because the 25"+ screen is about 344x258 instead of 1280x1024 on the 19".

maybe in 5-10yrs when everyone has HDTV... but by then the line between computer/TV will have been blurred every further.

Re:Well... (1)

RebelTycoon (584591) | about 12 years ago | (#4321397)

size of my girlfriend

Dude... your girlfriend is so fat that she's like a wall of speakers...

Re:Well... (1)

Drey (1420) | about 12 years ago | (#4321398)

Apparently you haven't noticed that computers these days can support Dolby Digital 5.1 and 6.1 surround sound. Monitors come in very large sizes as well these days and have much better resolution then a TV does, making for a far crisper image.

You have no speakers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321399)

speakers the size of my girlfriend

How can you play a game with no speakers? Or do you have imaginary ones?

Re:Well... (1)

SkankhodBeeblebrox (581971) | about 12 years ago | (#4321405)

a) the picture quality of 25"+ monitor is crap, especially when compared to a decent monitor, even when using some serious TV equipment. The only benefit of the TV is the fact that it's bigger, hooray.

b) I would hardly call the graphics and storage capabilities of any consoles available "awesome" (wow, 10gb, how *awesome*!) X-Box has some *decent* video hardware, but it's hardly awe-inspiring

c) As many people have pointed out, gamepads are great at what they were made for... arcade games... A general-purpose controller that still lacks the usefulness of a keyboard/mouse combo.

d) Nobody has made a mod-chip for PC's ;)

Re:Well... (1)

tokki (604363) | about 12 years ago | (#4321416)

HDTV would actually be quite nice for gaming. 720p or 1080i/p (progressive works much better for gaming, which is part of the reason why even at 640x480, PCs still look sharper and higher-rez than TV which is 640x480 interlaced).

I've Noticed This Too (1)

GreyyGuy (91753) | about 12 years ago | (#4321303)

I've been waiting forever for Duke Nukem Forever to be released on the PC!

Hah (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321310)

PCs will continue to dominate, they got better everything.. better graphics, better resolutions, faster and more robust.

Bleh (5, Insightful)

Wheaty18 (465429) | about 12 years ago | (#4321312)

Consoles are great for some genres of games (such as FF-style RPG's, Sports games, party games etc), but when it comes to FPS, RTS or MMOG give me a PC any day of the week. How anyone can stand playing an FPS with a controller is beyond me. Consoles are generally a generation BEHIND by the time they are released, whereas you can get the latest and greatest graphics on a PC.

Also, who wants to pay an internet connection fee PLUS a subscription fee (for XBox Live! or Sony Online) when they can just pay the internet fee and play the game for free over the net on a PC?

Re:Bleh (2)

slow_flight (518010) | about 12 years ago | (#4321425)

Sure, I can get the latest and greatest graphics on my PC - I can go out and buy a $300 video board every year. Meanwhile, an xBox is going for what, $199? And I won't have to dork around configuring it or looking for exotic settings to get the thing to work worth a damn. Yes, I use my PC for games, and no, I don't have an xBox, but there are times when I wish I did!

Piracy a factor?? (3, Funny)

harks (534599) | about 12 years ago | (#4321317)

Many of these companies are probobally scared by computer piracy and think that releasing games onto consoles will make their games sell more. After all it is a bit harder to copy console games.

well, sure (3, Interesting)

egomaniac (105476) | about 12 years ago | (#4321319)

Despite claims by PC fans of what their $400 accelerator cards can do, most console games look much better than PC games for the simple reason that the console hardware is a known quantity and can therefore be optimized for.

You also don't have to deal with installation issues, device driver conflicts, patches, replacing your $100 soundcard because it causes Neverwinter Nights to crash for no apparent reason, and so forth. Plus all modern consoles have great controllers, whereas PC games can't assume they have access to anything but a keyboard and mouse.

Seriously, what was anyone expecting?

Re:well, sure (1)

Penguuu (263703) | about 12 years ago | (#4321400)

But there is still lot of network-games, and in my knowledge, there isn't lot of popular network-games for consoles (like counter-strike is for PC's). And with Nevewinter Nights, it isn't half as fun play single player game as it is to play with friends over network.

When consoles have good network game support, then they will maybe succeed againts PC's.

Re:well, sure (2)

Neil Watson (60859) | about 12 years ago | (#4321414)

Plus all modern consoles have great controllers, whereas PC games can't assume they have access to anything but a keyboard and mouse.

I'd prefer a keyboard, mouse and/or man sized joy stick to those little controller pads any day.

Re:well, sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321435)

Try playing GTA3, any of the mario games or any flight/driving sim game on a keyboard+mouse vs a gamepad. It just doesn't work very well without a variable sensitivity controller like a joystick.

Re:well, sure (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321442)

Once hard drives start coming standard on consoles don't be surprised if you start seeing game companies lower their quality standards on the initial game release. Now, they *have* to get it right the first time. What will happen when they get used to being able to patch their released games?

Re:well, sure (1)

lukegalea1234 (250067) | about 12 years ago | (#4321473)

While I am sure there will be some drop in quality, I like to think the reason that console games are so much more stable is that they can better test the target machine.

Re:well, sure (1)

Kenja (541830) | about 12 years ago | (#4321445)

"most console games look much better than PC games "
That the console is running in ~320x200 has nothing to do with it right?

Re:well, sure (1)

Penguin Follower (576525) | about 12 years ago | (#4321446)

Umm a keyboard and mouse so I can play my FPS games is what I expect. If they can give me that on a console I'll play.

Re:well, sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321469)

Yay FUD!

Check out a new game on new hardware. PC games are already caught up with and passing what consoles can do.

I haven't had to deal with an installation/driver issue since upgrading to XP. Furthermore, in addition to fixing bugs, patches for lots of games typically add functionality and content. Thats something you wont see on a console anytime soon.

Uhhh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321320)

I guess I just imagined Warcraft III and Jedi Knight II. There are still plenty of good/great PC games.

Consoles just get certain games because the console makers are willing pay for exclusive deals. There is no single PC maker to sign such a deal.

Whatever (5, Insightful)

cicatrix1 (123440) | about 12 years ago | (#4321322)

We've heard this all before. It's just not true. I'd say there's about an equal number of games that first appear on the PC and the number of games that first appear on a console.

It tends to follow a simple pattern: Developers first release games for the type of system that is more suited to it, based on control style, graphics qualities, etc... Later on, if it sold well, it will be released to the other type as a generally crappy port with bad control. Granted, this doesn't always happen, but even in the case of good games -- if you try to put a mouse oriented PC game onto a console (i.e. Starcraft), it will invariable not be as fun as the original version.

Time works for consoles (4, Insightful)

JanneM (7445) | about 12 years ago | (#4321325)

Consoles already have things like keyboards and network hardware. It's only a matter of time before consoles come equipped with monitor plugs - and in some years time, digital televisions will offer far better picture quality as well. In time, most high-profile gaming will probably move entirely to the console world. That's not to say PC gaming will be dead, but, as the article says, be relegated to a second tier status, where only some titles are ported and appear later than the console equivalents.

Re:Time works for consoles (1)

jimlintott (317783) | about 12 years ago | (#4321440)

Sure, they'll get monitor jacks, keyboard jacks, a place to plug in the mouse. Next thing you know you'll be buying Open Office for Nintendo Game Cube.

Consoles will kill the PC by becoming one.

But PCs have something consoles don't (4, Funny)

bsharitt (580506) | about 12 years ago | (#4321327)

Consoles with never have shareware games made in Visual Basic by 12 year olds. They'll never take that away!

Re:But PCs have something consoles don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321413)

Don't worry, MS will release Visual Basic for the Xbox real soon now!

Re:But PCs have something consoles don't (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321443)

No, they'll use something like DreamScript [dreamscript.net] instead.

Actually... (4, Insightful)

krugdm (322700) | about 12 years ago | (#4321332)

...if I'm playing Madden, or GT3, or something like that, I'd actually rather kick back on the couch with the big screen, and the AC3 surround with the big sub, than sit in my office chair playing on a 17" monitor with my little PC speakers.

Now that consoles are pushing internet connectivity, that's one less advantage that PC's have over consoles: the ability to play others online.

The only real advantage that I see now is the ability to have downloadable updates or add-on features, but even that may go away soon. Didn't the Dreancast allow you to download bonus levels for certain games to the VMU?

Re:Actually... (1)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | about 12 years ago | (#4321428)

The only real advantage that I see now is the ability to have downloadable updates or add-on features

Accomplished. XBox, with it's hard drive, has enabled this functionality. First game to take advantage was DOA3 (additional costumes -- skins -- for all the characters). Biggest ballyhooed application is shaping up to be a game called "Blinx" which uses the hard drive to enable the character to "go back and forward in time."

DOA3 distributed its updates via a free disk in a popular XBOX magazine. Presumably other games will do so online once the broadband service launches.

Doubt it (5, Insightful)

Geeyzus (99967) | about 12 years ago | (#4321335)

There are certain things that consoles currently can not do, or don't do well. MMORPGs like Everquest are much better served with PC controls, like a full size keyboard, and DSL or cable modem. First person shooters... can you say, mouse-look? As well as the use of several keyboard keys for things like strafing, etc. RTS games would be a joke without the use of a keyboard... good RTS players use all of the keyboard shortcuts.

At the same time, obviously, there are some things consoles do very, very well. Sports titles, platform games, action/fighting games. These will almost always do best on the consoles.

I suppose the point is that while some games cross over successfully (GTA3), most games are better suited for one location or the other, PC or console. Neither the PCs or consoles will disappear in the gaming world.

Mark

Re:Doubt it (1)

misfit13b (572861) | about 12 years ago | (#4321451)

The PS2 has USB ports so you can attach a keyboard and a mouse and play. I know Unreal Tournament supports this.

I use a keyboard to chat in Tony Hawk 3 online.

When it comes down to it, it's all in the hands of the game developers... it'll all come together nicely with time. :^)

Blehhh... (3, Insightful)

Pyrosz (469177) | about 12 years ago | (#4321339)

It seems every 6 months or so someone comes out and says that either PC's or Consoles are losing the battle. Battle of what I'm not sure. I have both consoles and a good gaming PC and I find that the games are different for each system (FPS and Strat games on the computer and fighting and racing games on the consoles (and party type games)). Wish they would give it a break already.

Don't Like Console Gaming (1, Interesting)

dze (89612) | about 12 years ago | (#4321341)

Personally I can't stand console gaming. First of all my hands can't take the strain of using the game controllers (and force feedback has no appeal to me). Second of all the games seem more geared to fast-twitch gaming and memorizing arcane sequences of triangle left right up square circle down (no karma points for pointing out what this move does, which i just made up), which doesn't interest me. Finally console gaming lacks a device equivalent to the mouse, for superior aiming and looking around.

I'll wait for games to come on PC, like GTA 3 which I just bought. Somehow I doubt I'm alone. I expect many others are in the same boat. In any case, I think this article overstates the case.

I'll give this story some credence... (2, Funny)

kikensei (518689) | about 12 years ago | (#4321347)

when the Zork trilogy hits he console. 20 years and counting...

Shush! (2)

fobbman (131816) | about 12 years ago | (#4321351)

Don't say stuff like this, even in jest. I rely on the deep pockets of obsessive gamers to continually push for advances in computer hardware performance so that I can buy the top-of-the-line from 6 months ago for bargain-basement (read, true value) prices.

PC gaming is NOT dead. Long live PC gaming!

from the article (1)

cetan (61150) | about 12 years ago | (#4321352)

Fewer and fewer of the latest titles will run on a PC.

It seems to me that this is no different than the consoles. If you don't own both a PS2 and an X-Box, then you're going to miss out on a lot of good games. Personally, I can't see dropping that kind of cash just for gaming.

PC ! great platform for playing games (2)

the_rev_matt (239420) | about 12 years ago | (#4321353)

Games are highly specialized applications that have very specific hardware needs for optimal performance. Those requirements are not the same as all other common applications (word processing, spreadsheets, desktop publishing, writing code, etc etc) with the possible exception of multimedia production. I've always been of the opinion that I'd rather play games on a machine that is specifically designed for playing games on (note that aside from pr0n, games are always the leading edge of technology precisely for that reason). I would, however, like to see upgradeable consoles...

PC gaming dead? Ridiculous... (2, Insightful)

Behrooz (302401) | about 12 years ago | (#4321355)

I have not yet read the article, but this seems patently ludicrous.

While the line between consoles and PCs may be blurred, PCs are still a far superior gaming platform in most respects.

1. Interface: My mouse 0wnz console controllers for analog input-- no argument.

2. Modifications: The inherent difficuty of modifying or hacking content in consoles is a big bar to user-made content. You may get Counter-Strike ported to xbox... but it won't be independently developed there by a bunch of students with lots of time and a cool idea.

3. Pure mind-bending speed. High-end PCs will *always* trump consoles for pure performance, simply because they cost more and don't operate on a 2-3 year product cycle.

4. Display: Until HDTV becomes completely standard, even low-end monitors blow TV quality out of the water. High-end displays will always be ahead of the broadcast standards.

5. Online play: Consoles won't be caught up to PCs in the next few years... if then.

PC gaming is far from dead and and still offers choices far more varied than games available for consoles, even if the market is smaller and PCs do not plug-and-play as easily as consoles.

LAN Party Gaming? (2, Insightful)

davidstrauss (544062) | about 12 years ago | (#4321356)

Consoles just don't work well for group gaming today. Their network connections are fine, but 10 TVs in one room is just too much. Add DVI connectors and I would have no objection.

I think many of the opinions here will reinforce the general divide between /.ers and the general populace. PCs are great for games if you know how to run and configure them, but I've never heard of consoles having resource conflicts, bad drivers, or inconsistent performance issues. Anyway, /.ers should be excited that a mostly non-Microsoft platform is succeeding.

Loading drivers (2, Insightful)

randomErr (172078) | about 12 years ago | (#4321360)

You mean I don't have to worry about how much memory I have or if I have the right video drivers on consoles? I get better controllers? I only have to connect 2 or 3 connections and I'm set to go? Bigger screen on then my PC?

Hell ya, give me a console anytime.

Xbox? (2)

Rick the Red (307103) | about 12 years ago | (#4321362)

Gee, I sorta thought the Xbox would be the crossover platform -- write for the Xbox, make back the development costs, then do a quick port to the PC. I figured the lack of royalties to Microsoft would be incentive enough for the port, and the fact that an Xbox is really just a specific-purpose PC would make the port easy. Maybe it's too early to tell, but geeze, even Halo is coming to the PC, and you'd think Microsoft would be the last house to port their Xbox games to another platform.

consoles are easier to work with... (1)

JohnCC (534168) | about 12 years ago | (#4321363)

Until you can program for one API and have guaranteed reliabilty that device X supports feature Y then consoles will always rule. It's a lot of wasted effort to implement cutting edge effects and find that it isn't supported on another piece of hardware (i.e. Open GL extensions, EAX).

Programmers want the easy route. Write it once and make money... PC's are fragmented because all the companies are competing.

This is good for Linux (2, Insightful)

doublem (118724) | about 12 years ago | (#4321367)

The stronghold of the PC market are games and office tools.

With Star Office, Gnu Cash and other efforts this lead is being whittled away.

If the consoles take over the game market from Windows, then there will be no real reason for new users to use Windows over Linux.

I've got two words... (1)

sweet 'n sour (595166) | about 12 years ago | (#4321368)

Doom III

Minimum vs. recommended requirements (3, Interesting)

Fastball (91927) | about 12 years ago | (#4321369)

Slashdot community aside, most folks don't want to swap PCs every year or two just to run the latest and greatest shooter. I think game developers have simply put the PC market down like a dog with their recommended and in some cases minimum requirements. There just are not enough people who are gonna get a bug up their ass to buy a $400 graphics board, 1GB of RAM, 2.x GHz processor, and $200 Windows upgrade.

Somewhere along the way, the number of triangles and polygons determined what kind of game you were going to make. PCs have been gaming lackeys since. Too bad. I really think a creative, resourceful effort could make a buck or two producing games for mid to low end PCs, but then again I'm a hopeless idealist.

Re:Minimum vs. recommended requirements (2)

TobyWong (168498) | about 12 years ago | (#4321457)

You don't *HAVE* to have an amazing system to play all the games out there. You may not be able to run your new copy of UT in 1600x1200 in 32 bit colour but big deal.

I've been hauling a piece of junk system around to lan parties for years now and I play the same games as the guys with the $5000 kits. Incidentally we have observed there is no correlation between amount of money spent and rank in the frag list. ;)

These things go in cycles. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321370)

For a while, the consoles will rule the roost...but then watch out, 1984 will happen (aka a big crash in the console market). Then computer gaming will pick up...especially when computer hardware is doing stuff that consoles cannot.

I've seen the console market rise and fall enough times to know that this won't be any different.

O man.... (1)

forau (536024) | about 12 years ago | (#4321373)

Humor from Penny Arcade. :-)

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3

Windows _really_ sucks now. (2)

dfn5 (524972) | about 12 years ago | (#4321375)

I've always said that the only thing Windows was good at was being a gaming platform. Now it doesn't even have that. Oh well.

MS has deep pockets (1)

Lucky_Sal_ (603342) | about 12 years ago | (#4321376)

Maybe the reason Halo is not available for the PC is because Microsoft is willing to pay the developers an insane amount of money to keep is exclusive to the Xbox. This is certianly not the case with every title.

I resisted consoles for years... (3, Insightful)

aborchers (471342) | about 12 years ago | (#4321377)

... always reckoning that PCs were always ahead of the curve technologically and more flexible. In the end, though, I switched to console gaming (PSX, then PS2, with a GameCube in my future the minute that Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee ships) and despite not always having the state of the art, I have a lot more fun playing games now. Not to mention my couch is a lot friendlier to my @ss than my desk chair (and I have a pretty good desk chair!), the ability for friends to gather round the entertainment center, and the fact that a modern console cost about the same as a top-end video card, something not to be underestimated when you're talking about mass market trends.

Bottom line: if you're into overclocking and hardware and config geeking, PCs are great for games. If your fun is a little more casual, consoles can't be beat! Just my $0.02...

None of the games I enjoy playing are on consoles. (1)

FatSean (18753) | about 12 years ago | (#4321378)

So, really, who cares?

still use pc (1)

reitoei1971 (583076) | about 12 years ago | (#4321382)

Sure consoles have great games, great graphics and fast dedicated hardware but they dont have keyboards or mice. How do you play quake or any other complex game with a controller? The flow is disrupted with strange keypad combinations or menu selections. With a PC you hit a key and something happens. And you have a lot of mobility since youre not holding a pad. Ill never go console until the interface is improved.

Gamers aren't the big market for games any more... (2, Insightful)

26199 (577806) | about 12 years ago | (#4321386)

Sad, but true. Slashdot reported that 'The Sims' is now the best selling game of all time... did the FPS fans buy it? Nope. But kids did...

Consoles have better appeal to the masses; they're cheap, they're immediately compatible and they're immediately usable. Therefore the markets are bigger, and they're more profitable.

PCs are better for producing intelligent, detailed games... and I bet they always will be. But is the market there for intelligent, detailed games?

Now that there's a TV in every home, how many shows appeal to the lowest common denominator? Most of 'em. As games become more widespread, they might well go the same way...

Scary thought.

Computer games are not the same as console games (2)

TobyWong (168498) | about 12 years ago | (#4321389)

Computer games of recent years have a heavy multiplayer component (since the release of Quake 1 really). The gaming experience is nowhere near what it is for console games. A lot of people (like myself) have zero interest in the platform jumpers or tomb raider style adventure games that proliferate the console game market. Judging from the PC games sales numbers I have a hard time believing everyone is just going to stop making PC games all of a sudden.

PC users now suffer the same fate as Mac users? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321392)

They're all becoming graphic designers and queers?

multiplayer console games (2)

acomj (20611) | about 12 years ago | (#4321395)

Console games are different. It's easy to play 2 player games on a console, much harder on a pc (you need 2 computers.TV's are bigger than monitors..). Consoles don't have online gaming yet, but there trying.

Casual gamers appreciate the ease of use of the console over the read the box about what you have computer/graphics card/os specs pc games require.

Computers have mame though.

They're smoking a lot of crack.... (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | about 12 years ago | (#4321403)

Console games are great for platforms and some driving sims, and some console based RPGs.. But everything else is PC .. All the hardcore FPS games are on PC, you can't play them without a mouse and keyboard (Halo doesn't count because that game is whack. Hated it.). MMORPGs are mostly all PC also, you NEED a keyboard to chat back and forth. Consoles are great for Mario and Metroid, beyond that dont bother. Nintendo dominates their platform, and they do it well, but they are smart enough to not delude themselves that they will take over PCs.

Been like this for years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321404)

can you recall when any Final Fantasy was released on PC before console?

2 Words (1)

j4ck50n (548439) | about 12 years ago | (#4321406)

Waiting for "Vice City"... Consoles are nice, but they are really just "mini-pc's". I'll take the whole thing thanks.

Self-fulfilling, somewhat. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321417)

Consoles continue to gain market share, and software companies are noticing that and writing more and earlier for consoles than for PCs

And thus feeding the trend themselves. Hello, snowball. The game is on consoles first, so Joe buys a console, and buys the console game, and the markety share goes up, so...

The game companies aren't concerned about if any platform is late or left behind.. so long as they get their money. Though I suppose a game company might hope for better control over consoles - less variable hardware, less joe-average hackery, and the like.

copy protection (3, Informative)

Darth_Burrito (227272) | about 12 years ago | (#4321420)

Well, the advantage of a console is that games are harder to rip off. Even if you can find some sort of disk image online, you still need to have the hardware and know how to burn it. With PC games, all you need is a friend of a friend of a friend with the/a disk and a no-cd hack.

controllers?! (1)

j0ehill (582749) | about 12 years ago | (#4321422)

well, i don't believe that the type of controller will have much impact. however, i do believe that many games will simply never be as successful on consoles for one reason: modifications.

It is a growing trend among PC games to allow the user to create their own levels, environments, players, etc. The way current consoles are configured, it would be next to impossible to accomplish this on a console.

And, of course, if they DO change consoles to be able to create the same level of diversity and user creativity, well, then it won't be a console any more, will it? ;)

I dont think so (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321423)

I think the author is addressing a non-existant problem. He cites Halo as an example of a console game that PC users are waiting for...it's the only one that I can think of.

In the last year, I have had no problems finding really good looking and FUN games for my pc. I am currently playing Battlefield 1942 multiplayer. At 1280x1024 full detail it looks far better than anything I've seen on XBOX or PS2. Neither of these platforms have a game that even comes close in replay value or graphics quality (that I have seen). He should leave these complaints in the Mac world, where they are valid.

Demographics are different (1)

Amadaeus (526475) | about 12 years ago | (#4321424)

The main problem is the last generation of PC gamers have graduated and gotten "too cool" to play PC games, and with the introduction of heavy-duty marketing and consumer-programming by console companies, younger kids are leaning towards consoles instead of the PC Platform.

PC Games are superior in many ways, such as a wide range of expansion packs that cost a fraction of the original game, easy hardware expandability, and longer lifespan. Nintendo 64 lasted all of 2 years, my Athlon 1Ghz will last me another 2.

Console has... millions and millions of dollars in glitz and promotions on TV. THAT's where the new market demographic is: Kids who watch TV. Computer game companies just don't have the resource to advertise on TV. Compare the marketcap of Nintendo and Blizzard and you will see a huge difference.

The fact of the matter is the PC gamer's median age has increased, and the 'retirees' are not being replaced by PC gamer rookies. Hence, companies are more inclined to write for consoles, because that's where the new sustainable markets are.

But of course, the PC will always be the benchmark for quality games.

Only gunna get worse (1)

motha_chucker (592192) | about 12 years ago | (#4321426)

As consoles offer network play, pc users are going to lose out even more. Right now we get titles first in that area such as Unreal Tournament & Warcraft type games. Once people start using their consoles for networkable games, & they pull enough market share, pc users are going to start waiting on those games as well.

when to worry (1)

stak (3074) | about 12 years ago | (#4321433)

Computer games may disappear, but I doubt it. As long as some of us spend 8+ hours a day in a cubicle we are going to need distractions from our jobs.

I wouldn't worry about computer games disappearing until they stop developing console games on PCs.

Same old mantra (0)

drxenos (573895) | about 12 years ago | (#4321437)

If I had a dollar for everything some idiot writes an article like this.... Face it: there are gaming genres that are unplayable on a console. For instance, I just don't know how anyone can play a FPS on a machine without an analog (methodology, not hardware!) control for aiming. How do you aim quickly and accurately by activating a discrete?

something to consider... (1)

i7dude (473077) | about 12 years ago | (#4321449)

while i disagree with the overall statement being made here there is one thing about consoles that developers love...they are locked into one set of unchanging hardware. when you delelop a game for a console you remove the ambiguity caused by having endless hardware configurations. casting that bullshit aside allows developers to focus on making the game better and not on making the game compatable and playable to a large user base. this alone is enough to cause many companies to just shift development. there are issues with multiple platform versions and porting but by and large it's not as bad as trying to support everybody from the casual gamer with his voodoo3 to the \/\/1ck3d 1337 d00d and his gf32 TiH20 NV97.

dude.

Consoles more profitable, easier to develop for? (1)

guacamolefoo (577448) | about 12 years ago | (#4321450)

Several issues come to mind, so allow me to hazard some guesses as to why PCs are not obviously the platform of choice:

1) Support costs for consoles are virtually nil. Even if gross revenues for console games are lower, the higher margins can result in higher profits. I am unfamiliar with licensing costs for PC vs. console. Perhaps someone will enlighten me...

2) The console base is huge and largely stable -- new features pop up less frequently. I suspect it is simply easier to plan for game development in the console arena vs. the PC arena.

3) Users like having things work well. PC games, because of system differences and software interactions and conflicts, often are buggy, require patches, blah, blah, blah. From my personal consumer perspective, I think games simply run more reliably on consoles.

4) PCs will not disappear (from the gaming world), but they may become less relevant as consoles get more complex. Right now, I'd hate to play something like Civil War Generals 2 (a personal favorite of mine) on a console. Graphics are not as good. There are lots of problems with consoles. I suspect Sony and MSFT will try to address each of these sorts of concerns going forward, but it will take time.

5) Consoles are cheaper and need less frequent upgrades to play "new" games. My Playstation outlived two computers, and I am not a new computer fanatic.

6) As processing, memory, and storage space become more and more trivial, the age of a general purpose machine that does everything sort of well seems to me to be losing ground to more efficient (smaller, cheaper, quieter, more reliable) machines specifically tailored for a particular purpose.

I don't think this means the end of general purpose hardware, but perhaps the days of being the "top dog" platform are, and should be, over. A caveat is that, from a free as in freedom perspective, this is not something I see as good. Otherwise, it makes sense viewed as a market response to the gaming world of today.

guac-foo

This isn't NEW news. (1)

doppleganger871 (303020) | about 12 years ago | (#4321452)

The PC gamer market has been slumping ever since the Commodore 64 lost its market share. Companies have always known that they can sell a lot more console games, because the hardware is cheaper, and more people will buy it. And, game copying is almost non-existant. Eh, it's been that way for years, I'm glad I don't need the latest and greatest games.

PC games are MUCH better graphically than consoles (1)

Sp00nMan (199816) | about 12 years ago | (#4321454)

I totally disagree with this post. I consistently buy PC games over PS2 games cause the graphics and game depth are MUCH better than the console. And heck, the load times on a PC are much faster than the PS2 or Xbox dvd. Plus, I think the graphics are MUCH crisper at 1280x1024 21inch monitor than on a 640x480 television. Remember, TV's that have the resolution of monitors are way too high in the price range for the average human.

PCs are Growing Up (2)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | about 12 years ago | (#4321458)

Possibly this is because PCs are growing up and becoming more serious. PCs are increasingly used as servers rather than game stations, and many are running OSen that don't have a lot of games available for them anyway.

OTOH, the trend towards ever higher performance is mainly driven by games, and the number of users following this trend proves the popularity of the platform for gaming. I don't think PCs will ever stop being a gaming platform of choice, unless game computers (I find `console' confusing) offer the same upgradability. PCs are always on the bleeding edge of gaming technology, which makes them attractive for both developers and gamers.

Consoles are simpler too (2)

lugonn (555020) | about 12 years ago | (#4321459)

Console gaming is very easy to use. All you have to do is pop in a new CD and your good to go. Compare that with the install and config for PC games...oh, and of course hardware conflicts and Direct3D support lacking in some OS's.

Plus, you can throw a console across the room and it'll probably still work. Try that with a Dell.

I'd say the convenence factor of consoles is why they are more popular with consumers.

ha ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321466)

And GTA is now a Playstation exclusive.

super dead horse (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4321472)

i don't think it can be said any better than this [penny-arcade.com]
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