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New Scientist: Venus' Atmosphere Implies Life

chrisd posted about 12 years ago | from the conway-would-be-proud dept.

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WolfWithoutAClause writes "This New Scientist article says that the atmosphere of Venus has features that may only be explaineable by the existence of life in its upper atmosphere. In particular it has cartain chemicals which are extremely difficult to make inorganically. At the altitude where life is suspected the temperature is about 70C and about 1 atmosphere. There are gases there which are not naturally found together. The article suggests something is actively producing them, quite possibly, life."

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FP. (-1)

Luke SkyTroller (564295) | about 12 years ago | (#4334121)

First Post.

slashdot is teh busted! (-1)

SweetAndSourJesus (555410) | about 12 years ago | (#4334122)

robble robble!

joo r teh sux0r adminz!

Life? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334123)

There are more than a few explanations for that, I hate New Scientist, they jump to conclusions too often in an effort to drum up interest in their articles.

Re:Life? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334131)

What is life? Drink Coca Cola! Thanks for reading this!

Re:Life? (1)

naph (590672) | about 12 years ago | (#4334137)

it does seem like every month they're reporting on something new that's gonna change the world... but never does. but ya never know. :D

Re:Life? (3, Insightful)

squaretorus (459130) | about 12 years ago | (#4334376)

Actually, the articles themselves seldom go so far as the articles ABOUT the articles (i.e. this story).

New Scientist do a pretty good PR job every week to get some story into the press / radio to generate some interest. Usually the story itself will be relatively light, and centred on a new piece of research which raises a possibility - it is the tabloid reporting of these that state 'Mer are all dicks, and there IS life of Venus' or some such (I'll never get that sub-ed job).

New business-model? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334126)

1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: Find life on Venus.
4: Profit!

Re:New business-model? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334265)

Side-note to my upper-case writing friend. Why do you feel dirty?

Re:New business-model? (1)

paploo (238300) | about 12 years ago | (#4334587)

Haven't I heard this joke a couple times before?

Life on Venus? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334127)

Gotta be female. After all, Men are from Mars, etc.

Slashcode has more holes than a gook brothel. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334141)

Re:Slashcode has more holes than a gook brothel. (-1, Offtopic)

HeLLaCooL75 (608002) | about 12 years ago | (#4334171)

You prick!! [jesus.com] I really needed to see that like a Venus bug needs Baygon.

No More (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334554)

echo "goatse.cx 127.0.0.1" >> /etc/hosts

No more Goatsex.

maybe... (0)

ciupmean (572454) | about 12 years ago | (#4334142)

Giant bugs .. That soon will atack earth with giant meteors filled with bug spores .. ;)

Re:maybe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334453)

I, for one, welcome our insect overlords....

I may not know too much, but.. (2, Interesting)

SlashDotIDOne (223777) | about 12 years ago | (#4334143)

Besides the typical "oooogle first post bork bork", I do have some sort of serious question to ask: Why are we focusing so much on mars instead of venus? Venus seems to be very earthlike in some ways, and if we could only find a way to cool it down some... :) Not to mention just plain having a better name and no nasty stigma of war.. Oh yeah, and speaking of space, why has /. been up and down the last 20 minutes?!

Re:I may not know too much, but.. (2, Informative)

Interfacer (560564) | about 12 years ago | (#4334328)

the reason that we focus on mars is that at least on mars we could land a craft without it melting before it touches the ground.

the temperature on venus is several 100 degrees C, not to mention the storms that rage at speeds near the speed sound, and the fact that the atmosphere would probably corrode the helmet off an astronaut in 30 minutes.

Re:I may not know too much, but.. (2, Funny)

SlashDotIDOne (223777) | about 12 years ago | (#4334475)

Hmph. Well don't I feel right well stupid. Thanks for the info though, that's pretty insane and interesting. Hmmm, perhaps we could change a few entries in holy scripture, make venus the new holyland, and send all the extremists and fundamentalists THERE?

Re:I may not know too much, but.. (1)

Interfacer (560564) | about 12 years ago | (#4334786)

Now THAT is an interesting idea...

Women are from Venus (-1, Offtopic)

HeLLaCooL75 (608002) | about 12 years ago | (#4334145)

insert funny comment here

Re:Women are from Venus (0, Offtopic)

grahamtriggs (572707) | about 12 years ago | (#4334492)

Is this scientific evidence that women consist mostly of gas?

Makes me think of that Bananarama song... (0, Redundant)

The Original Yama (454111) | about 12 years ago | (#4334149)

I remember seeing a documentary a long time ago about Venus. The Russians sent a lander probe down to the planet. The atmosphere was so acidic that they only got a few seconds of video footage before it was eaten away by the acid. Apparently, though, the camera lens was made of diamond. We all know how tough diamond is, so it may still be out there.

Hold on, folks. I think a diamond rush is heating up!

Re:Makes me think of that Bananarama song... (2, Informative)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | about 12 years ago | (#4334351)

Sorry to correct you, but you are a bit off.

They landed several Venera landers, two of which took B&W photos and two of which took color ones...

They did fail relatively quickly, but not in only seconds. And they failed due to the crushing atmospheric pressure, not acidity.

Re:Makes me think of that Bananarama song... (1)

The Original Yama (454111) | about 12 years ago | (#4334417)

Thanks for the correction. It's been many years since I saw that documentary, so I wasn't sure if I was recalling it correctly. Being a little kid at the time doesn't help the recollection much either :)

Re:Makes me think of that Bananarama song... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334779)

Er, I thought they had problems due to the heat. On 2 mission the lens cap melted, the second of these mission was to sample the soil, unfortunatley the lens cap had melted and the sample they got was of the lens cap as it had fallen directly in front of the lander.

TB

Re:Makes me think of that Bananarama song... (1)

pigreco314 (194375) | about 12 years ago | (#4334675)

And we all know that diamonds are the Venus girls best friends...

Bear in mind that... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334150)

Microbes are from Mars, Virii are from Venus!

Re:Bear in mind that... (1, Offtopic)

evilviper (135110) | about 12 years ago | (#4334559)

That explains all the e-mail I get from routers on Mars.

Life in the Atmosphere of Venus (5, Informative)

herwin (169154) | about 12 years ago | (#4334153)

New Scientist is not a peer-reviewed journal and often publishes speculative articles. This report is interesting, but I'd like to see the scientific article. There are alternative explanations, I'm sure, and I'm interested in seeing whether they've been adequately ruled out. In any case, how would you test this theory?

Flash forward to the year 2235 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334155)

Man considers terraforming Venus.

Doh, damn greenpeace with their mini-sub orbital craft block the way with signs protruding from their ships saying "venetian microbes have rights too!"

Now that's sci-fi appeal! (4, Interesting)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | about 12 years ago | (#4334156)

From the article:

He suggests the bugs could be using ultraviolet light from the Sun as an energy source. If they are absorbing UV, that would explain the presence of mysterious dark patches on ultraviolet images of the planet.

I think this would be amazing. Whenever there has been a possibility of life before, it has always been microscopic bacteria frozen in rock or ice. Nearly undetectable, and certainly nothing that would visually incite people. But this? Huge swarms that discolor the atmosphere under ultraviolet light? If true, I'd bet that these images become more popular than Cindy Margolis.

Re: Now that's sci-fi appeal! (2, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 12 years ago | (#4334208)


> But this? Huge swarms that discolor the atmosphere under ultraviolet light? If true, I'd bet that these images become more popular than Cindy Margolis.

Only among them what get their Viagra and LSD mixed up.

ep! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334157)

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Damn! (1)

Hmpf! (40209) | about 12 years ago | (#4334158)

All this time we have been wasting our time looking for little green men on mars.
Wonder how many movies about vixens from Venus we 'll get if this turns out to be true.

men are from mars (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334160)

slashdot is from venus

No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334787)

Slashdot is from Uranus [goatse.cx]

Developing ideas (2, Informative)

DeadeyeFlint (38220) | about 12 years ago | (#4334161)

From the Article:

Meanwhile the Swedish Space Agency is looking for international partners to develop their idea for a mission to return a sample of the atmosphere from Venus around 2010.

So how'd you do it?

Re:Developing ideas (5, Interesting)

richie2000 (159732) | about 12 years ago | (#4334209)

So how'd you do it?

  1. Put a vehicle in orbit.
  2. Insert a probe into the atmosphere (either from the orbiter or as a separate vehicle). This probe could use one or more of several techniques (parachute, winged design (no retro-thrusters at this stage as this may contaminate the samples)) to perform a fairly slow and controlled descent.
  3. The probe fills a small canister with gas (possibly several compartments from different altitudes) and propels it back up into orbit before the pressure and gravity gets too high
  4. Dock the canister with the orbiter and send it back to earth.
Difficult? Damn right. Impossible? Nope. Just keep those pesky imperial units away from the project and you should be set. The probe could continue to send back data to the orbiter as it goes down, but it's probably too much to ask for a soft landing.

Re:Developing ideas (1)

hatchet (528688) | about 12 years ago | (#4334286)

Gravity and pressure and not really a huge problem. (gravity is same as earths) and pressure on surface is 60 earth atmospheres. (equivalent of pressure in water 600m deep)

Russian probe already landed on venus and the only real problem was heat. Camera lenses melted. I think we will have samples of venus' atmosphere in 10-15years on earth.

Re:Developing ideas (4, Interesting)

richie2000 (159732) | about 12 years ago | (#4334454)

AFAIK, it was primarily the pressure that did the Venera probes in, not the heat. And in one case, the plastic (probably not a thermoplastic, but still) lens cap got in the way of the soil sampler so the data sent back was an analysis of something the Soviets had put there in the first place. :-)

But the heat just gives us even more reasons to not (at least not as a first step) land first and try to launch back up. It's much easier to propel the canister(s) from a decent altitude than if you wait until you're in deep. Gravity, pressure and heat all combine to make it unnecessary difficult (and expensive, since all propellants and other resources has to be brought along for the ride) to do launches from the surface.

Or, just get the orbiter there and launch disposable probes into the atmosphere that can analyze the gases as they tumble down through the soup and relay back the results via the orbiter. This could be done as a cheaper and faster precursor to the "bring 'em back alive" mission, to help develop the technology, methodology and focus of the mission.

Re:Developing ideas (5, Informative)

david.given (6740) | about 12 years ago | (#4334593)

But the heat just gives us even more reasons to not (at least not as a first step) land first and try to launch back up. It's much easier to propel the canister(s) from a decent altitude than if you wait until you're in deep. Gravity, pressure and heat all combine to make it unnecessary difficult (and expensive, since all propellants and other resources has to be brought along for the ride) to do launches from the surface.

Damn straight. Venus has the same gravity as Earth, remember? Which means that getting stuff out of its gravity well is an incredible hassle. If you need an Ariane or a Proton to get an object off Earth, you're going to need another Ariane or Proton to get it off Venus again once you've landed it there. And the super-dense atmosphere is going to cause even more problems.

No, launching from Venus is a problem that can happily wait until nuclear rockets or antigravity are feasible.

Besides, if there is life on Venus, I'd much rather study it in situ than bring some back here. While it almost certainly wouldn't survive in an Earth environment, that 'almost' worries me a bit...

Re:Developing ideas (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334363)

Hang on a moment... Sweden has a space agency??

When did that happen?

Re:Developing ideas (1)

Fyz (581804) | about 12 years ago | (#4334731)

Big deal. Denmark has a space agency too, but that doesn't mean they're flying rockets into space. These agencies are lucky if they get two sattelites into orbit(in Arianes or STS) a decade.

Re:Developing ideas (0)

ManitobaMoose (584011) | about 12 years ago | (#4334550)

1. Go to Venus 2. ??? 3. Profit!

Cool. (3, Interesting)

rde (17364) | about 12 years ago | (#4334162)

A couple of thoughts occurred...

1. Isn't the adjective pertaining to Venus 'venereal'?
2. If true, life must truly be ubiquitous. In the solar system alone, we've got Earth, Mars, Europa, Titan and now Venus. Of course, there's only evidence so far of life on one, but the very fact that scientists are even considering it is a testament to life's tenacity.
3. Can someone who knows more than I tell us all how easy it'd be for UV light to penetrate to the required depth? I wouldn't have thought it possible.

Re:Cool. (2, Informative)

cyrek (556620) | about 12 years ago | (#4334370)

1. Isn't the adjective pertaining to Venus 'venereal'?

Yes, but to avoid the obvious innuendo people tend to derive an alternative based on 'Martian'. i.e. 'Venusian' or 'Venutian'.

But not 'Venison'.:)

2. If true, life must truly be ubiquitous. In the solar system alone, we've got Earth, Mars, Europa, Titan and now Venus. Of course, there's only evidence so far of life on one, but the very fact that scientists are even considering it is a testament to life's tenacity.

The evidence so far from those other places is purely hypothetical and circumstantial. But you're right - it is comforting to think that self-replicating patterns, structures and chemicals exist beyond our world. The big question is - Are those patterns found elsewhere complex enough to form sentient beings. Or am I being sentimental?

3. Can someone who knows more than I tell us all how easy it'd be for UV light to penetrate to the required depth? I wouldn't have thought it possible.
I seem to remember reading somewhere that it would be possible to see your surroundings if you were somehow able to survive a visit to Venus' surface - the light being a dark dull red glow. If ordinary light can get through then UV will definitely make it to the surface - On a cloudy day here on Earth, 80% of the UV radiation can make it through the clouds. People don't get suntans on those days simply because they spend more time indoors.

Re:Cool. (2)

jesterzog (189797) | about 12 years ago | (#4334414)

I seem to remember reading somewhere that it would be possible to see your surroundings if you were somehow able to survive a visit to Venus' surface - the light being a dark dull red glow.

Well for what it's worth, Venera 9 and Venera 10 managed to return images [solarviews.com] with lighting that was reportedly similar to an overcast summer day on Earth. (At least the Venera 10 photo was.) I'm not sure if that means visual light or not.

Too bad the view wouldn't stop human tourists from being crushed to death, combusted into nothing and suffocated, all simultaneously. :)

History (2)

jesterzog (189797) | about 12 years ago | (#4334379)

In the solar system alone, we've got Earth, Mars, Europa, Titan and now Venus. Of course, there's only evidence so far of life on one, but the very fact that scientists are even considering it is a testament to life's tenacity.

Personally I'm not that enthuiastic yet. Scientists were considering life on Mars, the Moon and life on Venus and life outside of Earth generally 100 years ago, too. Respected scientists throughout history were involved in a lot of these theories, which unfortunately were often hyped out of proportionby media and others. It doesn't mean that the basis for the considerations were correct or meaningful or led to anything except for hype.

There's definitely a lot of anecdotal evidence so far supporting the idea that life might exist in other places, and it's interesting. I'm going to wait for life somewhere else to actually be proven before I get too excited, though.

Not necessarily (2)

joss (1346) | about 12 years ago | (#4334482)

It could be that life formation is extraordinarily unlikely and occurred on a single planet in our system [eg mars]. Once firmly established on that planet a glancing blow from a largish asteroid could release dust containing the basic compounds [DNA, or perhaps simpler stepping stone molecules] from the planets gravitational pull.

This is all conjecture anyway. We have no proof that life exists on these other planets. New Scientist these days is a tremendously speculative publication.

For a good discussion about life's probability's, read Not By Chance by Dr. Lee Spetner.

Hmm..... (4, Insightful)

neksys (87486) | about 12 years ago | (#4334163)

Remember that astronomers once said Mars was covered with a complex network of irrigation ditches, which implied the presence of life. Take this with a grain of salt - we know so little about our own solar system that we must treat all discoveries as hypotheses - nothing more, nothing less.

Re:Hmm..... (2)

shd99004 (317968) | about 12 years ago | (#4334464)

Yes, but just because they were wrong about A doesn't mean they are wrong about B.

Let's find out (2)

StrawberryFrog (67065) | about 12 years ago | (#4334549)

Yes, we should treat them as hypotheses deserving of vigourous investigation. That's how you learn. Well, it's how I debug.

Humm... (5, Interesting)

hatchet (528688) | about 12 years ago | (#4334167)

Maybe numerous earth probes infected venus' atmosphere with life.

Re:Humm... (1)

sllim (95682) | about 12 years ago | (#4334314)

Your comment is actually fantastically smart. If they found probes and they resemble earth organisms at any level then we will be forced to consider that some Earth probe put them there.

And if they don't resemble organisms we must still think about the possibilty. UV radiation does cause genetic mutation.

If we conclude, or even give credence to the idea that this might be stuff we put there we must not peg that idea with too much negativity. This would lend serious credit to the (until now) sci-fi idea of terraforming.

I won't even pretend to have the knowledge to make an intelligent comment on this stuff. Smarter people then me may be able to poke holes in my ideas.

I was just impressed with how much thought your comment put into my head. I think you were being sarcastic, but I think you have a real point.

Re:Humm... (1)

cp99 (559733) | about 12 years ago | (#4334361)

If we did find earth like bacteria, it wouldn't nesscessaryly mean that probes put them there. Perhaps a impact on earth blasted a rock (containing earth bacteria) into space, where eventually they reached Venus. Kind of a Mars bacteria in reverse.

Re:Humm... (1)

hatchet (528688) | about 12 years ago | (#4334606)

Actually i am dead serious... Note that we already infected moon [nasa.gov] with earth bacteria. It's very sirious concern for all future space programs. Project to jupiter's moon Titan was held back for few years because of that.

However.. there is also quite huge chance that earth life came from space and didn't evolve on earth at all.

Re:Humm... (2, Funny)

adrianhensler (454654) | about 12 years ago | (#4334494)

Yes. We put it there.

Here is the scenario as I see it.

1. Earth sends 'probes' (hee hee - he said 'probes') to Venus.
2. Earth accidentally 'seeds' Venus with our 'probes'.
3. New Scientist reports infected atmosphere on Venus. Possible bugs.
4. Earth sends more 'probes' to Venus to bring back sample.
5. Accidental release of sample into Earth's atmosphere......
6. ?
7. Profit.
8. Earth decimated by 'venereal'' bugs, or VD.

There you have it. We are the origin of our destruction.

Re:Humm... (2)

Jugalator (259273) | about 12 years ago | (#4334630)

Well, if the life survived at the pretty extreme conditions (acidic, etc) at Venus. I mean, they woiuldn't *come* from that environment, so I find it hard to believe that they'd function in the way to *survive* in that environment. Then it's easier for me to believe that the life there is native to Venus. Although *neither* of these life theories feel easy to accept.

But who knows? There are bacteria surviving in the depths of volcanos on earth.

exaggerated article title (1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334173)

The New Scientist article title is "Acidic clouds of Venus *could* harbour life." To summarize, the New Scientist article basically says that Venus could have life, but nobody really knows for sure. But the slashdot article title is "New Scientist: Venus' Atmosphere Implies Life." Give me a break. I suspect Slashdot exaggerated the content of the posted article just to get page hits. Also, New Scientist is not one of the more reputable science news sites on the net (even though /. likes to link to their articles).

Slashdot really sucks nowadays. There are better alternatives. I'm quitting /. now. You should, too. Check out

The Quit Slashdot Movement [washington.edu] for some better quality "new for nerds" sites.

Re:exaggerated article title (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334506)

It is just plain bad journalism to translate "could" to "can only be explained by" to "implies". They have clear and distinct meanings in English - the language the Editors claim to be using.

Slashdot has always had the right type of stories for me but, increasingly, they are so badly executed I am also desperate for alternatives.

Mod parent up ! - it is relevant and points out major inconsistencies in the Slashdot article.

Sceience. (1)

SimpleSphere (608538) | about 12 years ago | (#4334180)

In other news, further research has found that the atmospheric gasses on Venus are actually made up of insect farts... farts, and burps. Oddly enough however it is believe that the smell produced would actually be a pleasant one to humans.

Is it worth getting excited about? (5, Funny)

Zakabog (603757) | about 12 years ago | (#4334188)

Shopkeeper: "... I must warn you they've found life on venus."

Homer: "That's bad."

Shopkeeper: "But it was only some bugs!"

Homer: "That's good!"

Shopkeeper: "The news was reported on New Scientist."

Homer: "That's bad."

Shopkeeper: "But they don't require you to register!"

Homer: "That's good!"

Shopkeeper: "They log your IP address and keep logs of all the pages you go to."

[Silence; Homer looks puzzled]

Shopkeeper: "That's bad."

Homer: "Can I go now?"

Makes you realise how limited our searching is (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334189)

If we did find life right next door to us on Venus, it would be quite ironic that we've been thinking that we know everything there is to know about our own solar system and a long way beyond.

Also, SETI searches have covered an astronomically, (pun intended :-) ), small amount of the sky, at a very limited range. We are nowhere near even having begun searching for extra terrestrial life properly.

Even the WOW! signal could be chirping away at us at the same point in the sky, but using a modulation we cannot recognise, or a signal too weak to detect, and we already know where to look for that, (OK, technically we don't, because of errors in the data processing, but we more or less do know where it originated), and yet we've found nothing.

science (1)

Scaebor (587064) | about 12 years ago | (#4334191)

I can say with a fair amount of (entirely baseless) confidence that the chemical anomalies observed on venus are simply the result of processes seperate from life and these claims will one day be put on the same shelf as ether and the four elements along with all the other anomalies inexplicable by current-day science that were explained fully in later years with the discovery of new concepts and theories. (now that was a long sentence)

Yo ho let's go (5, Funny)

spankfish (167192) | about 12 years ago | (#4334195)

Let's terraform the bastards before they evolve into ten foot tall insection beasts with razor sharp teeth, glistening with demonic slobber.

Terraform Venus Now!

Re:Yo ho let's go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334619)

Whatever there may be, it does not have enough Asteroids around to become a real danger for mankind.

Life Again (2, Insightful)

HeLLaCooL75 (608002) | about 12 years ago | (#4334198)

This is getting so old. "We may have found life on Venus", "We may have found life on Europa"(intended), "We may have found life on Mars", "We may have found life in Bushes bedroom", "We may have found life ". When we finally find it. It'll be such a fucking anti-climax (No not failing to cum) that everyone will say "Finally!" wtf?

This one I'd like to see (1)

huge (52607) | about 12 years ago | (#4334236)

"Meanwhile the Swedish Space Agency is looking for international partners to develop their idea for a mission to return a sample of the atmosphere from Venus around 2010."
I'm really waiting to see this !

If they are as good with their space science as their are with their IT project management, this is going to be a great tragedy (and lot's of fun for the people who are observing ;)

Contamination? (4, Interesting)

magi (91730) | about 12 years ago | (#4334243)

I just wonder, if the phenomenom is really caused by bacteria, could it be a contamination from Venus probes?

They probably didn't decontaminate the probes very well, and if the veneran atmosphere is ideal for some atmospheric bacteria, it could spread like a...disease.

Don't fuck with Venus. Not without a condom at least.

Re:Contamination? (2, Funny)

Wire Tap (61370) | about 12 years ago | (#4334489)

if the veneran atmosphere is ideal for some atmospheric bacteria

How about Venusian .

Veneran sould like some type of sexually transmitted disease - although it seems like that's what you were aiming for with your last comment.

Re:Contamination? (2)

StrawberryFrog (67065) | about 12 years ago | (#4334538)

Interesting idea, but is a few decades long enough for a a few germs to not only evolve to thrive in local conditions, but also change the atmospheric composition of a large planet noticably?. In my completely uniformed opinion, probably not.

Sounds like... (3, Funny)

jukal (523582) | about 12 years ago | (#4334301)

finnish sauna.

At the altitude where life is suspected the temperature is about 70C and about 1 atmosphere. There are gases there which are not naturally found together. The article suggests something is actively producing them, quite possibly, life.

I just hope they would... (0, Flamebait)

Kynde (324134) | about 12 years ago | (#4334320)


actually find some microbes or virii from Venus, Mars, hell even from Ganymede. That'd finally put a full stop to all those religious morons that are so full of "we're the centre of the universe". Just by showing that there's _a_ life form outside earth would remove a huge barrier from all those debates and we could concentrate on more interesting topics.

Re:I just hope they would... (1)

blinx_ (16376) | about 12 years ago | (#4334383)

Oh no.. religious fundies will soon after claim that it has been in their bible all along, you just have to read it in this new specific way and that it just proves that their God movies in mysterious ways or whatnot.

But how extremely cool it would be to be alive during the time when extra terrestial live was proven to exist, now thats something to tell your children :)

Re:I just hope they would... (1)

Haeleth (414428) | about 12 years ago | (#4334629)

There's nothing in the Bible that either suggests or denies the presence of life other than on Earth. Assuming you treat the creation stories in Genesis as myths or allegories, that is. Which most _intelligent_ Christians (and Jews) do.

I don't think there's even any point in attacking fundamentalists - they're so blinkered that God could show up in person and TELL them that they'd got it wrong, without it changing a thing.

So I agree: leave the deluded to their delusions. Let's get on with the interesting debates right now.

Re:I just hope they would... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334702)

hy retart... why dont you actually read the bible and see.

Or are you so stupid that you cant?

Pieces of crap like you are the best example of how athiests are nothing but morons, thanks for being a moron so the perception continues!

If you want to bash someone's belief's you had better know inside and out what you are bashing.. otherwise you are just some idiot making shit up and looking stupid....

oh wait... that's something you do anyways.

I just hope YOU would... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334508)

...quit using such weak articles as an opportunity to attack religion. Did you ever think that there may be some belief systems out there that might actually accept this? If you did, you wouldn't have said what you did. Maybe you should have a look at Buddhism, for example. Remember, you're still the center of yourself, and we have nothing else to compare our own perceptions to.

Re:I just hope they would... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334691)

I just hope they doo to, just to shut up those agnistic/athiest morons that like to slam other religions because there are too dimwitted to admit that they are religious themselves.. (Science can be a religion, athieisim is a religion... get over it you zealot.

Me? I like to beat athiest trash like you with my christian hands... I'm just proving to you that God exists! I want you to meet him!

If you attack someone else's spiritual beliefs, you had better be expecting to be attacked yourself.... you asked for it.

Re:I just hope they would... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334739)

you crackpot, atheism isn't a religeon, its the lack of one. remember, religeon means you believe without thinking. Science means you think.

Re:I just hope they would... (1, Offtopic)

sql*kitten (1359) | about 12 years ago | (#4334743)

That'd finally put a full stop to all those religious morons that are so full of "we're the centre of the universe". Just by showing that there's _a_ life form outside earth would remove a huge barrier from all those debates and we could concentrate on more interesting topics.

No it wouldn't. Faith is by definition a belief that exists without any supporting evidence, or contrary to evidence.

Life on Earth (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334324)

Everyone knows that the Good Lord made life and He made it here on Earth only, your Bible tells you that!. You blasphemers are wasting your time on SETI and looking at other planets. Just like the dinosaurs and radio-carbon dating, it's just the devil playing tricks on your blasphemous souls. I know for sure there's no life but here where He intended and saw that it was Good, not on some hell-hole like Venus, or a frigid wasteland like Mars. You people, sheesh, you only need look around you to see you're wasting your time, and you ain't going to Heaven with me.

TELL YOUR LORD THAT I GAVE HIM GONORRHEA (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334392)

Re:TELL YOUR LORD THAT I GAVE HIM GONORRHEA (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334463)

Boy, you are going top burn in the lake of fire with all them other sodomites. I'll pray for your soul, so's maybe you'll let Jesus into your heart one day and be saved. But hurry, there ain't a lot a time left. You gotta let Him into your heart while you're still alive, before the End. The world will end at 14:35 hours, PDT August 14th 2003. Don't waste your time.

Re:Life on Earth (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334729)

Ok, I'll bite on this troll....

Time to put mt Christian Hat on... So you are putting limitation on God?? God doesnt have the ability to make other forms of life elsewhere? Man is sooooo special that God wouldnt create life elsewhere? wow how self centered and important of you...

You disgrase God by your thoughts that God doesnt have the abnility to do this... Go get more faith weak one.

Scientist hat on.....

It doesnt matter, BTW are you from Salt Lake, UT?
we coule have contaminated Venus with our probes, it could be a native form (at 70C?? I doubt it) or it could be cross contamination from Mars, or even from another galaxy.... riding in on a meteorite.

Life takes a ton of effort to become, but once it is it is tenacious and will do what it can to survive no matter what.

Look at the earth... life in the polar regions, live at crushing ocean pressures, life deep underground in rock...

Life--- it takes near impossible effort to create, but nothing to keep spreading.

oh great. (5, Funny)

sawilson (317999) | about 12 years ago | (#4334336)

New York Times August 10th, 2010

KILLER VENUS MICROBE BROUGHT BACK BY SWEDEN
"EATS EVERYTHING"

You must have an account to read full text of
story. :)

yeah yeah (1)

MarsDude (74832) | about 12 years ago | (#4334354)

"In particular it has cartain chemicals which are extremely difficult to make inorganically."In our perspective that is.. and... it says extremely difficult, and not impossible... put 20 IFs together and you have life.... yeah right... Come up with FACTS...

If it's life, Jim, then it's not as we know it. (5, Interesting)

Observer (91365) | about 12 years ago | (#4334387)

See subject.

The speculation is on the basis of finding two chemicals which don't typically persist for long in each others presence, Hydrogen Sulphide and Sulphur Dioxide. BBC news has a summary [bbc.co.uk] .

--
"Now my own suspicion is that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose."- JBS Haldane.

Let's all take a trip to self-delusion-land (3, Interesting)

c.emmertfoster (577356) | about 12 years ago | (#4334412)

To quote the article, "To look for possible signs of life, Schulze-Makuch and his colleague Louis Irwin looked at existing data..."

Of course if they were looking for signs of life, they would find some anomalous results that they could present as "amazing."

And from the /. headline I thought they had something tangible. Oh well.

Re:Let's all take a trip to self-delusion-land (1)

Proquar (577283) | about 12 years ago | (#4334797)

If biologist can make such statements as: "7 atoms reproducing in a beaker - that's my definion of life"... then there is a good chance they consider that there is life on Venus.

But, er... don't think that will cut it on any theological argument - or any non-delusional discussion, or any where else important... maybe slashdot?

100 years ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334456)

...everyone thought Mars was inhabited because they could see canals and roads on the surface.

Is this the 21 Century equivalent?

Im happyhippy. Add the mod points of this post to my account!

Re:100 years ago... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334520)

no

Altitude ? (1)

theefer (467185) | about 12 years ago | (#4334484)

At the altitude where life is suspected the temperature is about 70C and about 1 atmosphere.

I did not know that ET could fly without a bicycle ?

Microsoft is planning a Venus campaign (0)

erixtark (413840) | about 12 years ago | (#4334591)

In other news... Microsoft is planning a major campaign in the Venus atmosphere.
"If there is life, it must run Microsoft.net." says a spokesman for the company. "Plus, it allows us to get closer to Sun."

We must strike now if the Earth has a chance! (1)

Vidmaster_Steve (455301) | about 12 years ago | (#4334594)

TO SURVIVE!

The evidence that life has fostered on the Earth's Sister Planet is a dire and grim proposition for the future of the human race. If we don't strike now, these phosphate-producing bacteria may, in billions of years evolve to a spacefaring race with religious viewpoints opposing The One True Way.

We must strike now, to wipe out these bacteria before it is too late! I beg of you, Mister President. Launch the nukes. It's the only chance that we have to eradicate these monsters before they can oppose Earth and America and Christianity! LAUNCH THE MISSILES! NOW!

God I'm drunk (on love, Pokey?) Yes Little Girl, drunk on love. And whisky. But mainly whisky.

A good place to market the latest l33t CPU's? (1, Offtopic)

Jugalator (259273) | about 12 years ago | (#4334609)

I mean, it always feel impressive to say "our CPU runs at a tenth of the room temperature", doesn't it? :-)

Re:A good place to market the latest l33t CPU's? (1)

racerx509 (204322) | about 12 years ago | (#4334646)

"our CPU runs at a tenth of the room temperature"

I think you mean our CPU runs at 10^7 of room temperature.

Then that means.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334641)

So, if the theories hold true and there's actually things livin' up/out there, then there would, theoretically, be organisms, parasites if you will, living on those life forms.
Now, theoretically, if we can get these parasites back to earth and they infect everybody, that is, theoretically, the most pure venereal disease ever.
Screw Iraq, the Venetian threat is much greater...

sorry, couldn't resist.
-mo

Poll (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4334721)

Strange gases on Venus caused by..?

1) Complex atmospheric-solar interactions
2) Mysterious unknown life-forms
3) Cowboyneal

Illudium 239 Explosive Space Modulator (1)

Surak_Prime (160061) | about 12 years ago | (#4334751)

Marvin probably could have told us about this a while back if WE weren't obscuring his view!

Where's Dan Dare when you need him? (1)

Nighttime (231023) | about 12 years ago | (#4334774)

Life on Venus? Could a Mekon-led Treen invasion of Earth be imminent?
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