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Why Software Piracy is Good for Microsoft

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the shared-source dept.

Microsoft 522

jcphil writes "Salon has an article that explains why Microsoft has toned down its anti-piracy actions in China and other developing markets. The answer is simple: due to the network effect, the more users you have, the greater your strength in the marketplace. And it doesn't matter if their Windows is pirated or not. So, in effect, software piracy in countries like China helps Microsoft to compete with Linux." Meanwhile, the RIAA doesn't feel the same logic applies to record sales in the U.S., and has started an ad campaign to convince the public that sharing music hurts artists.

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522 comments

Microsoft Ads? (1, Funny)

mvh (9295) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337632)

how did we get M$ ads on Slashdot? that's very interesting to me.

Re:Microsoft Ads? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337650)

You obviously have never worked for corporate America. Money is money. Slashdot would probably run ads for Scientology if the money was right.

You've Got To Fight @# +1; Patriotic @# (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337721)


to impeach the Cheney-Rumsfeld dictatorship.

Be patriotic: Smoke Amerikan Grown Ganja !!

Re:Microsoft Ads? (2, Funny)

Jon Shaft (208648) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337788)

how did we get M$ ads on Slashdot? that's very interesting to me.

Well, I thought Slashdot went for a nose dive this early morning, but I think the servers were just being a little naughty. This was around 2am or 3am...

Slashdot in a Microsoft party [sconnolly.com] and maybe they really need people to buy those Penguin Computing racks [sconnolly.com] !!!!

I understand some servers could die, but this was just a bit flimzy! And of course I had to take 2 snapshots of the Slashdot website for it.

Re:Microsoft Ads? (2)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337822)

Remember driving down the street last night? That trick working the street corner with the leather miniskirt, 4 inch pumps, and frazzled hair? That was slashdot's advertising department hard at work.

RIAA hurts artist (0)

mAIsE (548) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337641)

The simple overhead of the RIAA and record companies contracts hurt artists alot more than the file sharing does.

Isn't this (1)

MrFredBloggs (529276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337645)

one of those stories which pops up every now and again? Wasn't the answer `piracy is bad for games/music because you make all the sales in a few months, but good for OS`s, where they just bring out a new version which is essentially the same except for a new odds and ends`?

Duh? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337646)

Haven't we known this since the days of MS-DOS?

True only to a point. (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337647)

I've worked on projects that had close to 100% piracy rates. That is to say that almost everyone who used it was stealing it. This in no way helped me, in fact it drive the company under.

I've just realised something. (4, Insightful)

Dthoma (593797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337749)

I'm starting to think that the returns by allowing privacy are something like the Laffer curve [everything2.com] with piracy along the x-axis and benefit along the y-axis; by allowing no piracy, then you don't benefit, nor do you benefit by having all copies of your software pirated. However, if you give some leeway and allow some of the copies of your software to be pirated, then it gives you maximum benefit. Unfortunately, it is entirely possible that the whole piracy vs. benefit graph is more reminiscent of a Neo-Laffer curve [mq.edu.au] , where there are so many possible factors which can affect it that it is impossible to tell in advance what effect piracy will have.

Re:I've just realised something. (2, Interesting)

Kenja (541830) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337782)

Sounds about right. However there are other factors involved. I refuse to release cripple-ware (software that has features missing until you register it). This leads most of my software to be pirated (note that due to the license, using the shareware after 30 days constitutes piracy). I have close to a half million downloads from various sources for my last program, Net Weasel (http://www.klassy.com/NetWeasl/) and I cant justify finishing the web page for it because I have gotten 0 registrations. I know for a fact that a good selection of the downloaders are using the program but I've not seen one cent from them. If I where to add feature or time limitations to my release odds are I would see return on my investment. However that would require compromising my ideals. Ah well.

Beggar. (5, Funny)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337648)

Hey Microsoft, ummm... Got any goods that you can offload to me?

I won't put linux on my machine! Pinky Swear!

Note: I'll just put FreeBSD on instead.

Think I'll go steal a Britney Spears CD... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337651)

so I can BURN it!!

sharing doesn't hurt us. (0)

Hall and Oates (575706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337652)


Share all you like, we'll make more!

Hey Hillary! (-1, Troll)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337653)

Suck my jumper cable!

-Us [i-mockery.com]

in other news.... (1, Troll)

edrugtrader (442064) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337654)

being hooked up at McDonalds is beneficial to the corporation because you don't end up spending your money at wendy's.

Re:in other news.... (3, Funny)

jgerman (106518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337740)

In other, other news, yet another bad anlogy made on slashdot. If getting hooked up at MacDonalds made you more likely to spend money in the future at MacDonalds rather than Wendy's then the analogy would be stronger. Oh but wait, that destroys your attempt at a joke. Sheesh, wait again, THAT'S WHAT CORPORATIONS do to drive peopel in, give away a little now to get business in the future.

Groan (5, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337656)

Meanwhile, the RIAA doesn't feel the same logic applies to record sales in the U.S., and has started an ad campaign to convince the public that sharing music hurts artists.

Sheesh, talk about missing the point of the article. The article is talking about developing markets, not the US. Microsoft cares deeply about piracy in the US. The point is that in developing markets, Microsoft wants to establish a foothold.

The other difference is that Microsoft has competition, while there is no direct competition for music. In other words, if you don't like the price of Bruce Springsteen, you're not going to switch to Broos Sprigstein who might be cheaper.

Re:Groan (2)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337680)

while there is no direct competition for music.

I should have mentioned that this is not true for most classical music, where someone may very well compare prices between the Boston, London and New York symphony orchestras who are probably all interchangeably excellent. [there are certainly exceptions to this, of course]

Re:Groan (1)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337708)

Yeah and SOOO many people listen to Classical music.

Re:Groan (4, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337775)

Yeah and SOOO many people listen to Classical music.

Huh? You must be young. Sorry dude, but music doesn't survive for 300 years if no one listens to it. And they'll be listening to it in another 300 years. Think they'll still be listening to the latest release of "L33t D3ath P1zza" in 300 years?

Classical Music (2)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337844)

...who are probably all interchangeably excellent.

Well, I have only limited experience in classical music, but even to my ears there is a noticeable difference between different conductors.

Re:Groan (2)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337702)

But this article points out something that makes the majority of slashdot users hate microsoft more!

Isn't that the point?

Re:Groan (5, Funny)

Dthoma (593797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337778)

"Sheesh, talk about missing the point of the article. The article is talking about developing markets, not the US. Microsoft cares deeply about piracy in the US. The point is that in developing markets, Microsoft wants to establish a foothold."

Or, to sum it up, Microsoft won't bother alienating their market until they've got a market to alienate. ;-)

Re:Groan (1)

grytpype (53367) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337809)

RM101 is totally right, and, the point is Microsoft benefits from the "network effects" of Windows being widely used no matter if it is licensed or not. How the frig would that "same logic" apply to the cool tunes you're getting off of Kazaa?

This obsession with saving a few bucks by pirating music is getting beyond comical.

Slashdot -- News by and for MP3 leeches.

Re:Groan (1)

berchca (414155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337879)

I agree that the two items are basically unrelated; I suspect Timothy was just trying to glom two stories together he felt were similar, even though many of us do not.

No point in dragging him across the coals, though.

so confused (0, Redundant)

kingOFgEEEks (598145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337659)

so, microsoft likes piracy (as long as it isn't in the US), but RIAA doesn't? ok, #2 isn't news, but i really am confused as to why bill gates would enjoy the idea. i thought M$ was all about money.... ok, that's it, i'm moving to China

Things we know Part 1 (0, Redundant)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337662)

Duh...this has been known for eons now. This is hardly news.

I've always known this (5, Insightful)

outsider007 (115534) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337663)

Let's say you're a 14 year old kid and you're running a pirated copy of windows vs. a legal copy of linux. What happens when you grow up and get an IT job for a small company? you recommend using windows because you're familiar with it. The same is true for productivity software (office,photoshop...) but not games and definitely not music.

Re:I've always known this (1)

FortKnox (169099) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337867)

Also, note that SDK's like Garage Games [garagegames.com] Torque engine (what made tribes2) is something you can get for a cheap $100 for a 1 seat license (vs another modern engine which will cost you around $250,000-$500,000).
Why? One of the main reasons is what you are saying. The person gets experience with the engine, gets a job in the gaming industry, and which engine will he talk his employer on using (btw - the commerical version of the Torque engine is a ton)??
Second reason (if you wanted to know, and is slightly OT) is if independent developer(s) actually make a game on their own, the license state that you have to publish it through Garage Games.

I had an askSlashdot about licensing issues like this about a week or two ago...

Microsoft has always done this (5, Funny)

pheph (234655) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337665)

Here is an article [prospect.org] that quotes Gates in 1998:

"They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."

1.) Get user's addicted to our software
2.) ????
3.) Profit!!!

Re:Microsoft has always done this (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337722)

Underwear Gnomes...

1) Steal Underpants
2) ???
3) PROFIT!!

Re:Microsoft has always done this (0, Offtopic)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337806)

Why the question marks? This is more accurate:

1.) Get users addicted to our software
2.) Profit!!!

Re:Microsoft has always done this (1)

defender57 (540298) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337808)

This is great...South Park must be part of the M$ evil empire. Born out of a need to keep us laughing, instead of pirating.

Let users understand the cost of Windows (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337667)

This is exactly why i do not offer to give copies of Windows to people anymore.

If you want Windows, you can go ahead and pay for it yourself. Then you'll understand even better why Microsoft is losing market share to Linux. It's not cheap for an individual, and for a business it's highway robbery. If the price is too high for you, well, why not install something free?

Re:Let users understand the cost of Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337755)

If the price is too high for you, well, why not install something free?


Because Free Software sucks ass?

Timothy, you fucker (2, Offtopic)

Uttles (324447) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337669)

Damnit, at least you could have given me some credit for submitting that link instead of attaching it to another story. Thanks a lot.

Re:Timothy, you fucker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337723)

I submitted it too.

Re:uncredited (1)

Da Schmiz (300867) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337731)

Uttles... the same thing happened to me the other day. Don't worry. It happens.

I mean, it's only /. karma. And it's only prestige for a /. account.

There are lots of things worth cursing about in the world. This is not one of them.

Re:Timothy, you fucker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337736)

Aren't you being a little brutal for 5 karma and your name on the slashdot page for 5 hours?

Re:Timothy, you fucker (0, Offtopic)

sulli (195030) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337850)

But look - he got the karma anyway! (As if it matters since karma is Obfuscated now.)

Please think of the starving artists! (4, Funny)

sys$manager (25156) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337671)

Because when you download music, you're taking bread from Britney's mouth! She can barely afford to LIVE! Please, think of the starving artists before you download that next MP3.

Come on, does the RIAA really expect me to take a PSA from Britney Spears or bling blingin' Nelly when it comes to theft of music? Are they trying to make us feel bad for these people who get paid truckloads of money and have no talent? Maybe they should show me a non-RIAA artist who lives out of their car and plays dumpy clubs instead.

NOTE TO RIAA: GET A CLUE.

Re:Please think of the starving artists! (1)

AlgUSF (238240) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337739)

Not to mention these cookie cutter boy bands, that parents are being forced to throw billions at. Every one of these bands looks the same, sound the same, etc.

Re:Please think of the starving artists! (2)

dimator (71399) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337830)

Not to mention, every CD out there has 18 songs of filler, garbage, and ONE song that you actually can listen to. Oh, you want a single? Sorry, it doesnt exist, buy the whole CD.

Re:Please think of the starving artists! (3, Insightful)

iCharles (242580) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337800)

Likelihood of making anti-piracy ads increases as (one of the following):
  1. Your celebrity clock approaches 14:59.
  2. Your street cred approaches zero
  3. Your talent approaches zero
  4. The average age of your audience approaches 18 (or 40, depending on Britney vs. Madonna)

I really have to wonder... (5, Interesting)

gosand (234100) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337676)

I have to wonder if the artists who are supporting this ACTUALLY believe it, or if their record company is forcing them to do it. After all, they are indentured servants, they do what they are told. if they aren't being forced, I'll bet the company has bombarded them with FUD until they actually start to believe it. I can see the record company telling them all about how they need to change the contract for this new "piracy" fee that is stealing all their money. Phbbt. Fine, let the music industry go down the tubes, I don't really care.

The Music Artists need ad an campaign... (2, Interesting)

raehl (609729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337677)

That the record company hurts artists.

Maybe a picture of some big-name musician begging as record execs walk by.

? HA! (2)

motorsabbath (243336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337679)

Humorously, all the artists supporting the RIAA are garbage pop stars anyways. These people woundn't know good music if it fell on their head. It's commercial fodder, produced (sic!) only to bilk the public out of their money anyway. Spears, an artist? HAHA!

Real musicians make their money on the road.

Re: ? HA! (1)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337759)

TOP TEN REASONS FOR THE U.S. TO GO ON RED ALERT:

1) Sudden shortage, of overrated, untalented pop stars.
2) Threat of boredom due to lack of terrorist attacks.
3) The Injuns are a comin'.
4) Sequel to "Howard The Duck" announced.
5) Burger King's tacos. Taco Bell's fries. McDonald's hot dogs.
6) RIAA finds a way to start suing musicians who are caught with mp3s of their own songs.
7) A second revival of 70's fashion takes the nation by storm.
8) George Dubya attempts to eat another pretzel.
9) CNN confused by announcement of Pepsi's new "Red Alert" drink. Coke also announces new "Pepsi-flavored Coke" to keep the competition alive.
10) Terrorists sank our battleship!

Re: ? HA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337805)

>

And where do you think the Spears, N'Sync and the likes make all their money? That's right... concerts.

Adobe Strategy (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337683)

They've obviously taken a lesson from Adobe's strategy:


  • Come out with an overpriced product.
  • Prevent competition by allowing it to be pirated (who's going to pay 50$ for a less suitable product when you can get a 800$ product for free?).
  • Rake in the cash from corporate clients who can't pirate it and have no alternatives.

I like it (:

It's the other way around (2, Interesting)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337685)

The answer is simple: due to the network effect, the more users you have, the greater your strength in the marketplace. And it doesn't matter if their Windows is pirated or not

I disagree with this article--Microsoft already got it's massive marketshare for PC's in China, and then tried to crackdown on piracy because it already had hundreds of millions of users there. It's not like Windows is just now entering the country. The 'network effect' worked its magic years ago...

Sad News Stephen Hawking Dead At 55 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337693)

I just heard some sad news on talk radio - mathematian/cosmologist Stephen Hawking was found dead in his Cambridge home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his music, there's no denying his contributions to hardcore gangsta rap culture. Truly an great rap star.

software vs music (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337698)

I'd just like to point out that if you pirate Windows or Office, you're probably tying yourself into them. If you pirate Brittany spears, you can still listen to Christina Agualara or NSync or Metallica.

Repeat (2, Interesting)

Beatbyte (163694) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337699)

I don't want to hear anyone else bitch about how the users on slashdot don't read the story before they post.

Reason being? The people posting the story don't even read Slashdot stories.

This is yet again another repeat.

Get them hooked (3, Insightful)

mikewas (119762) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337704)

Just like drugs?

Give the poor slob some free hits, get him hooked before he knows how bad the dope is, then start charging big bucks.

The same logic DOESN'T apply! (5, Insightful)

John Harrison (223649) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337711)

Software and music are different enough that the same logic isn't entirely applicable. If you have a country where lot of people have pirated copies of Word, the those who don't pirate are going to be more likely to purchase Word, simply because it is a de facto standard. Using the most prevalent solution makes interoperability easier. It helps the legitimate users get their jobs done. How would this apply for music? Also, some day China is going to do more enforcement. When people need an updated version of their software whose are they going to buy? The one they are used to. How does this apply to music? Again, it doesn't.

It does, in a way (2)

Gregoyle (122532) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337859)

One could equate a piece of software being the "de facto standard" with a song, artist or genre becoming more popular. The more people who listen to it, the more people who *want* to listen to it.

Listening to that music gives you a social connection to other people who listen to it (i.e. something to talk about, etc.), which is a (very) rough parallel to "getting your job done better".

The parallel between software updates and music are obvious: when an artist you like releases a new album or single, you are more likely to buy it because of the stuff you've already heard.

Hmm... (1)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337712)

okay, if I pirated Windows, and then bought Office, I could see that logic. But if I pirated Windows, then I would just pirate Office, its not like my morals would go "Windows piracy, GOOOOOD!! Office piracy, BAAAAD!".

The only thing I see they get out of me is that I DONT use GNU/Linux or OSX, and therfor MIGHT buy something for windows at a later date. Or maybe I'll just pirate it. After all, what are they going to do, make me walk the plank?

Re:Hmm... (1)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337863)

If everyone uses Office at home for free, and they know it, then all the businesses will be forced to buy it for their workstations, since they can get in hot water for piracy, unlike the average person.

The Adobe Strategy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337714)

They've obviously taken a lesson from Adobe's strategy:
  • Come out with an overpriced product.
  • Prevent competition by allowing it to be pirated (who's going to pay 50$ for a less suitable product when you can get a 800$ product for free?).
  • Rake in the cash from corporate clients who can't pirate it and have no alternatives.
I like it (:

Stealy BizNatches (1)

lamp77 (147098) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337716)

Well,

if Missy Elliot, Brittaney, AND Nelly say so it must be true.

I really feel for those guys, they do their best for us, and now we steal from them, I understand they are all sharing a single motel6 room on tour due to our thievery.

Interesting... (1)

mistermoonlight (80842) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337717)

A SW company that protects its interests by not protecting its interests.


Cop-out or not, they can't be extremely rigid to everyone all the time. Especially with that kind of business.

Duh. (0, Insightful)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337718)

The OS should always be free to the home user IMO. I've only paid for one OS, that was Win 3.11/DOS back when it came as part of my computer. Since I started to build all my systems from scratch, I've yet to pay the MS tax again.
I believe that in order for an os to be sucessful in this day and age it has to have a low barrier to entry on 2 fronts, cost and development. It has to be cheap to get on your machine and cheap for others (or yourself) to develop software for.
BE should to have given away the OS and sold applications. Made an application approval procedure so that an app would be 'certified', but given the core OS away for free (or low cost, like 10 bucks). 60-100 dollars was too much to switch to an OS that had few applications.
Linux, *BSD has the lowest barrier to entry yet, almost nothing. MS has a much higher entry point, you have to buy both the OS and the tools to make stuff on it. For the casual hacker, the dev tools are expensive on MS (like me).
Increasing the size of your network is crucial, look at fax machines, the only reason fax machines are valuable in todays world is because almost everyone has one. There are much better tools for sending documents to people, but fax machines are everywhere and thus are the medium of choice for many types ot transactions.

Re:Duh. (2)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337781)

or low cost, like 10 bucks

How much to you think the OEMs pay for Windows?

I don't know.. (1)

Steveftoth (78419) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337834)

But I know that it costs me more then 10 bucks to get even an OEM copy of windows. I was saying that if BE (or MS) charged me 10 bucks for a copy of their os then I would gladly pay it. Which is another reason that I always get the cheapbytes (or similar) versions of linux distros when I get the CD's. I don't use support so I don't pay for it.

War on Terrorism... (1)

miltimj (605927) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337720)

In other news, an unidentified source has leaked that Microsoft will distribute it's corporate virus (also referred to as "Microsoft Windows") on certain countries, as retribution for its anti-trust litigation, as well as contributing to America's War on Terrorism.

The method of distribution includes passing off the virus as being pirated, as it usually costs corporations millions of dollars to install the damage on their machines.

The first country to be hit is China, closely followed by Iraq and Iran...

Thunderstorms banned in USA? (1)

PseudoThink (576121) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337727)

In other news, power companies across the nation have drafted a proposal to ban all domestic thunderstorm activity. A representative was quoted, "These thunderstorms are distributing unauthorized voltage across the nation every day. People harness these power sources all the time, in pools, on golf courses, under trees...stealing the power they should be paying for. This could irreparably damage the industry." Representatives were unavailable to comment about the recent soaring profit trends in the power industry.

Damn, posted in wrong thread. (1)

PseudoThink (576121) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337756)

Doh!

This is a marketing stratagy for Autodesk (3, Informative)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337729)


In my field (architecture) AutoCAD has pretty much the monopoly, despight other packages such as ArchiCAD, Microstation and DataCAD. Why ? It's simple, this is the tool that everyone knows. By filling schools and colleges with thier software and having student version for little and nothing ($200 for a AutoCAD12,3DStudio,AA package)the only software package that anyone knows is AutoCAD. Since it's very expensive to train someone to use a new software package proficiently can costs upards of $3000 most employers just settle with AutoCAD even though it may not be the best or cheapest package.

AKA The Photoshop Effect (2)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337735)

This is called The Photoshop Effect.

The sad thing is that it took them this long to figure it out. How many windows users would there be if we had to pay for windows?

It's an interesting effect on 'supply and demand' however. How do you evaluate demand and scarcity when there is unlimited product available and production costs (ie, duplication) are nil? How does the market work when you're trying to sell information that can be free?

Re:AKA The Photoshop Effect (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337848)

I agree with you completely, but at least photoshop is good software. If I had a disposable income, I'd definitely buy a copy of it. The last MS product I actually purchased was dos 5.

Back in the day... (2)

telstar (236404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337748)

PC Tools leaked early versions of their software into the pirate (Arrrr!) market in order to compete with the already-established Norton Utilities. It worked to a certain degree ... and it spread the tool's use through some circles ... but we all know who's still standing today.

Not fair (1)

stand (126023) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337766)

Meanwhile, the RIAA doesn't feel the same logic applies to record sales in the U.S., and has started an ad campaign to convince the public that sharing music hurts artists.

Can you mod the intro blub as Off-topic?

"Why piracy is good for m$" ? (1)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337768)

Because that's how they are as well known as they are now!

This tactic works... (2)

nizo (81281) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337772)

the more users you have, the greater your strength in the marketplace.

Don't crack dealers use similiar tactics?

I see this all the time (3, Interesting)

eastern (92669) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337773)

Absolutely true. Here in India (a very China-like piracy situation) there are plenty of small businesses which want to move to Linux in theory but they continue to use Windows-Office-Exchange etc because its free to them.

At zero cost (actually approx. US$ 2.15 per CD that all software costs here), its pretty hard to convince yourself that the effort of migrating to Open Source is worth it!

Funnily enough, Linux costs more than Windows because none of the regular pirates stock Linux. So Win2K is US$ 2.15 but Redhat is about US$15 which is what the cheapest unoficial Redhat CD costs

I can see it now! (5, Funny)

asdfasdfasdfasdf (211581) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337774)

A wrinkle laden aging speed metal rocker, wrapped in shredded leather pants; he's drinking from a bottle in a paper bag; sad music is playing.

The voice over says "When you pirate music, you steal money out of artists pockets. Now, how is this poor man going to afford his presidential suite, hookers, and 3 day liquor and heroin binges?"

Then a black screen with white text comes up:

"Help the Fella, Don't Gnutella."

Good, for now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337776)

I think it's only a matter of time before Windows disappears from the piracy and probably the majority of the desktop of people here. Palladium/LeGrande will make sure you pay for all your Windows software, so we'll just use OS X/Linux instead. Hell if I'm going to pay for Windows! I have no money, nor will the average person spend $90+/year to get the updates (new version). Windows may still come with your Best Buy computer, but NOBODY will use office at home if they have to pay $400+ for it, except maybe students. Make way for WP and OpenOffice, woot!

Speaking of the RIAA shooting themselves.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337780)

Do they not realize they are in fact advertising internet downloading therefore making it more popular?

How dumb can you be? For all those kids that had no idea they could do this with their internet connection, with this ad campaign, now they do. Do you really think people are going to listen to Britney? HAH, yeah... right.

Its a communist plot! (1)

Khomar (529552) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337787)

The Chinese are pirating software so that hundreds of Slashdotters will talk about piracy which will lead to heated discussions about the RIAA and sharing music which will result in thousands (millions?) reading these redundant posts which will result in massive loss of productivity bringing about the downfall of the US economy! Don't let them get away with this! What's a sig?

Talk about double standards. (2)

miffo.swe (547642) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337792)

After all their rants on how pirating destroys intellectual? property they turn on a dime.

If people in china gets used to pirating its hard to reverse it. A culture of pirating blessed by MS will be almost impossible to reverse.

I guess their campaign against pirating didnt turn out like they liked it to. From what i could see the only thing it did was to spark a new wave of linux companies.

Very relevant analysis (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337793)

A few years ago Karsten Self posted an excellent analysis of the economic effects of piracy on software distribution. He posted this online and has lightly edited it since. On Software "Piracy", Lies, BSA, Microsoft, Rocks, and Hard Penguins [netcom.com] is the article, and it is well worth the read.

Interesting who is against "piracy" (1)

hubrix (129651) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337795)

Notice how it's Britany spears and other fake musicians who are pawns of the RIAA in this, real musicians know what's best for them.

Not just china (1)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337803)

I am sure the same applies to most other countries too. At least for "personal piracy", i.e. the 15 yo guy burning his WinXP for the neighbour. And not just for MS, but for many other software vendors too, e.g. Aliaswavefront with its Maya software package.
Those 15yos wouldn't make any money anyway and couldn't BUY the software anyway. But this way they learn how to use it and later if they need it to make money and have the money to buy it they will buy it. Easy as that.

Oh Britney... (0, Offtopic)

bol (152634) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337807)

Meanwhile, the RIAA doesn't feel the same logic applies to record sales in the U.S., and has started an ad campaign to convince the public that sharing music hurts artists.

Don't worry Britney, if you take it in the butt, technically you're still a virgin.

Oh my god, I feel soooo bad... (3, Insightful)

E-Rock-23 (470500) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337815)

Not. Come on, do you actually expect us to believe that the artists are suffering because we download their tunes? That's complete bullshit. The artists suffer because of the lopsided contracts that the RIAA companies make them sign. They get an advance, sell so many copies, and still end up oweing the record companies money. That's an insane way of doing business.

The only ones hurting are the RIAA companies themselves. "Wah wah, we're not making the X number of billions we made last decade thanks to services like Napster(RIP), KaZaA, Limewire; We're only making Y number of billions now thanks to users downloading music. X Billions > Y Billions. We want more billions." Cough-bullshit-cough.

If we're smart, we'll continue downloading and taking a chunk out of the RIAA's profit. They're spending millions on this ad campaign, which won't work at all, and lose said millions. What we need is a commercial detailing the evils of the record companies' underhanded practices and how they are hurting artists.

And, for the record, I'm in total agreement with sy$manager [slashdot.org] 's post [slashdot.org] on the subject. There is no way that downloading "Baby One More Time" is hurting Brittany "I've got fake tits before they're even done developing" Spears' bottom line. Duh, she has a multi-million dollar endorsment deal with Pepsi, is doing movies (that probably net her a few milion apiece), and has several other sources of income besides her contract with the RIAA. Nelly? What the hell kind of name is Nelly, anyway? I can't even take him seriously. And Missy Elliot earns her papers because she herself is a producer. There's no way downloading "Get Your Freak On" is hurting her wallet, that's for sure.

Just another case of RIAA Spin trying to get us to shill out damn near $20 for a CD with 12 lame songs on it, when we can download what we want for free, spend $0.20 on a blank CD-R, and put 150+ songs that don't suck on it ourselves. Who's going to win this fight? We are, plain and simple. The RIAA is wasting their time, and ours.

You gotta admit though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337824)

...it's a fairer strategy than integrating their browser with the OS and trying to force everyone to use MSN services.

not really suprising (5, Funny)

jcsehak (559709) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337828)

from the article: A print campaign, featuring such performers as Eminem, Madonna, Missy Elliott, Elton John and Luciano Pavarotti

Pavarotti is quoted to have said "Downloading music is wrong, because it's virtual. You're not getting the real thing. You're using technology to circumvent actually paying for it; you're taking the easy way out... Lip-synching a concert however, is perfectly okay; there's nothing wrong with that, the audience can't tell anyway, ...*sigh*... yes, I'm a tool."

Elton John on the matter: "Um, I really really need you're money since I'm WAY in debt, no, I didn't get screwed by my label, at least I don't think so, I was kinda high all the time."
"Elton, you spent $40,000 a month on flowers."
"They were pretty..."

disclaimer: don't know if it was exactly $40k, but it was some insane amount like that.

WTF (-1, Offtopic)

VivisectRob (550902) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337829)

Um... thats pretty gay... not that I even remotely cared anyway.

Music sharing hurts artists? (1)

conduit4 (589726) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337835)

More like the sucky artists and music thats out now is whats hurting the record companies. Did they ever stop to think that maybe sales went down because they've been signing so many one hit wonders and people only want that one song out of the other 12 carbon copies of every other band's songs out there.

selective morals. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337846)

what some people would call hypocrisy, abounds in modern "official" life. a deadly poison like alcohol is distributed in every nook and cranny of the US but something harmless like weed is ostracized and "evil".

Quite brilliant... (1)

CrazyBrett (233858) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337847)

It's obvious that they want market share and more users... The easiest way to do this would be to give away their software for free (like they did in the netscape days). However, they know they probably wouldn't get away with it again, and that someone would scream bloody monopoly. So instead, they just go limp and stop trying to prevent piracy, and the people take care of the free distribution themselves. If anyone bothers to challenge them in court, they'll just say "Woe is me, those uncontrollable pirates are stealing our stuff!" After all, I think it would be a lot harder to cast "not preventing illegal copying" as anticompetitive behavior. That's why they can hide behind it.

My Neighborhood Drug Dealder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337857)

The neighborhood drug dealer has much the same philosophy. The first one's always free.

I remember when Microsoft didn't go out of its way to prevent piracy here in the USA. Back then people were saying it was to their advantage to have as many users as possible, legal or not. Of course, back then you could fit their entire "operating system" on 1 floppy disk...

Anti-RIAA campaign? (2)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337858)

Perhaps it is time for some of those wealthy artists like the Offspring and Courtney Love who in the past have spoke out against the RIAA to fund a campaign of their own, promoting music downloads and against the RIAA.

Loss of Money (1)

Satyre74 (611714) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337860)

Isn't it funny, though, that the recording industry has lost 15% of it's revenue since it started this war against 'piracy' and music sharing. You'd think they would get the hint and realize that when an artist is recognized as good by the public and they get to hear their stuff on their own time that they will eventually pick up the album. Control Freaks.

Up here in Redmond country. (2, Interesting)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337864)

Lots of people I know wont buy an X-box, because its an m$ product. But, with so many m$ employees, always a couple of your buddies seem to work for m$.

So, m$ employees get to buy software for 10 bux. Now theres a reason to buy an X-box, when you can get 10 games for 100 bux. No reason to pirate your M$ OS either, when M$ gives it away for free. You just go to an m$ events, training, etc (and there are many around...) Hell, work alone (sun shop) M$ has given me (personally) multiple copies of NT server products with full licenses to keep. Too bad I cant sell them on E-Bay.

I hope Halo for PC [bungie.org] runs under wine. :)

Numbers out of whack? (1)

keyne9 (567528) | more than 11 years ago | (#4337865)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doens't 2.6 Billion (music) files downloaded per month seem exorbitantly high? I mean, assuming 3Mb per file (average length, 128-bit encoding) that's around 7,800 Tb just on music alone. Seems a tad high to me, but then again, I can't remember the average bandwidth consumption for the world per month.

amusing parody (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4337871)

The RIAA should consider a poster campaign [modernhumorist.com] .
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