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Dell Partners with Square

Hemos posted about 12 years ago | from the the-neal-will-be-so-happy dept.

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zenintrude writes "Gameforms is reporting that Square has signed a deal with Dell that will secure new Dell computers to be shipping with Final Fantasy XI pre-installed. This comes on the heels of another story involving Square partnering with nVidia, in which certain aspects/details in Final Fantasy XI will only be able to be accomplished with a geForce4 card."

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first again (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341464)

pwn3d!

uh oh (5, Funny)

Raven42rac (448205) | about 12 years ago | (#4341470)

Dude, you're gonna lose productivity.

Re:uh oh (1)

blackbeaktux (525688) | about 12 years ago | (#4341507)

>Dude, you're gonna lose productivity.

Dude, I can't lose any more productivity

Re:uh oh (0, Offtopic)

los furtive (232491) | about 12 years ago | (#4341584)

Dude, my overclocked Athlon whips your P4's ass!

Re:uh oh (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341536)

Does anyone know of a good search engine or website specifically geared for locating parties/raves?

interestingly enough... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341538)

there is an article that goes into more detail at yahoo business section [yahoo.com]

Yay, more pay to play! (1, Flamebait)

Cyclone66 (217347) | about 12 years ago | (#4341471)

Ok, so they're going to put a game that I'll have to pay a low low monthly fee in order to play it?? And it'll be included?? For free? WOW! Please tell me more? I'll get.. how many months free? Please where do I sign!?

Re:Yay, more pay to play! (1)

Hellbuny (444564) | about 12 years ago | (#4341687)

You may not like paying a monthly fee... but..at least unlike those of use who plan on playing it, they won't have to pay for it as well

Re:Yay, more pay to play! (0)

mwjlewis (602559) | about 12 years ago | (#4341721)

Yea, Marketing at it's best.

Let me go out and buy this $1500-$2500 computer so I don't have to buy the game.

Don't forget the MS tax.

First Post. :) (1)

BeNJ-GoS (592137) | about 12 years ago | (#4341477)

Anyway, having a game show it's full potential (!)only(!) with a GeFore 4 sucks! :(

Re:First Post. :) (2, Insightful)

MisterBlister (539957) | about 12 years ago | (#4341504)

Anyway, having a game show it's full potential (!)only(!) with a GeFore 4 sucks! :(

Well, there are certain things a GF4 can do that older Radeons, etc, just can't do. They don't have the feature set. In that case, I don't mind so much if they use those features and then say "best with GF4" or something. But if they go out of their way to use pixelshaders on the GF4 and not support the equiv functionality on the Radeon 9700, for instance, that's just fucking shitty and people should boycott Square and Nvidia if that comes to pass. The last thing we need is another 3dfx Glide situation where games are pretty much card-specific.

missing the point (1)

WinPimp2K (301497) | about 12 years ago | (#4341601)

they are saying that there are some parts of the game you will not be allowed to play if you don't have the GF4 installed.
Being unfamiliar with the game, lets just guess that there will be a quest for some semi-uberweapon, but if you have a Radeon 9700,for instance, you will be unable to equip it or something equally sucky

Re:missing the point (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 12 years ago | (#4341734)

Ummm...No?

Do you have any actual proof to back up this assertion?

From all i've seen, the only effect will be on graphics, not gameplay.

Square and Co (1)

smashr (307484) | about 12 years ago | (#4341479)

They seem to make a lot of friends: how many people have exclusivity agreements with Square now? It is getting so it isnt quite so exclusive anymore....

What Linux Distro Should I use? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341481)

I'm a new Linux user and I want to be "wowed". Which one should I use?

Don't use linux (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341530)

Its actually a cult, they keep you in just as long as you can and then enslave you when its too late. You will be forced to suck Linus' cock all day and get it up the ass from the slashdot editors. Just keep using windows, you're life will be 40% better.

Re:What Linux Distro Should I use? (-1)

redhotchil (44670) | about 12 years ago | (#4341539)

make your own distro, that is the best approach for a beginner... better yet, write your own kernel, like linus torvaldos: resident computing GOD

This is sad... (5, Interesting)

jpt.d (444929) | about 12 years ago | (#4341482)

I sure don't mind it shipping on new computers from Dell, but requiring a nvidia card for certain things? That is rediculous. I use an ATI Radeon (aging one mind you) and would like to see some real compatibility between them!

Re:This is sad... (1)

weasel47_3 (558565) | about 12 years ago | (#4341630)

I have a Voodoo4 4500 and almost everything is compatable with that. It runs nice, why the heck would I dope up money to Nvida (no dis to thier cards) to play FF XI?

Sounds like they are trying to hold the consumer hostage and make us compatable with them instead of them being compatable with us.

Lemme guess, Windows XP right?

Yea, 3df/x tried that... (2)

dnoyeb (547705) | about 12 years ago | (#4341794)

3df/x tried that foolishness. It was just before they died...

Partnering? (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | about 12 years ago | (#4341483)


All this promiscuous 'partnering' is sure to result in a computer virus that won't wash off so easily.

Slashdot editor, Rob Malda, found dead at 54. (-1)

Mighty-Troll (549627) | about 12 years ago | (#4341512)

Slashdot editor and gay rights advocate Rob Malda, was found dead at his Holland, MI home early Saturday morning. Malda was 54 years old at the time of his death.

Fellow icons in the homosexual community were taken into custody for a grueling 12 hour interrogation as foul play is suspected. Among those were Eric S. Raymond, Alan Cox, and Richard M. Stallman. They were released for the time being but are not allowed to leave the state.

A reporter said he found among the evidence a rusty screwdriver with dried blood and feces on it, and several 18 inch black dildos.

No other details are available at this time.

Is partnering related to SEX? (1)

Rufus211 (221883) | about 12 years ago | (#4341759)

From jargon file:

SEX /seks/

[Sun Users' Group & elsewhere] n. 1. Software EXchange. A technique invented by the blue-green algae hundreds of millions of years ago to speed up their evolution, which had been terribly slow up until then. Today, SEX parties are popular among hackers and others (of course, these are no longer limited to exchanges of genetic software). In general, SEX parties are a Good Thing, but unprotected SEX can propagate a virus. See also pubic directory.

hmmm... (1, Funny)

g(zerofunk.org) (596290) | about 12 years ago | (#4341485)

Dude, you are getting a level up. g

Wow... (-1)

xdfgf (460453) | about 12 years ago | (#4341486)

So slashbots can get there shitty game and kiddie porn fix on the same machine! Way to go Dell!

O Btw

FEHPP

First Erect Horse Penis Post

See how hard and full of blood the shaft is...

amazing

Who gives a fuck (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341487)

except for all u GAYmers out there

Connections (5, Interesting)

nukey56 (455639) | about 12 years ago | (#4341492)

Interestingly enough, a large amount of market share of Square is owned by Sony, which also sells PCs. However, I have yet to see any announcement of Square products being shipped on Sony PCs. It seems strange that the reverse is not the truth.. is there something going on behind the scences here?

Re:Connections (2, Insightful)

mao che minh (611166) | about 12 years ago | (#4341558)

I would imagine that Sony decided to bundle their pay-to-play game with Dell PCs because they sell better then their little niche-marketed Viao (spelling?).

Re:Connections (1)

ztc (516339) | about 12 years ago | (#4341562)

Sony has its own MMORPG -- Everquest. And they do ship it on their own notebooks and PCs. I do not see Sony putting another company's product (no matter the deals) in front of their own source of profit.

Re:Connections (1)

weasel47_3 (558565) | about 12 years ago | (#4341644)

You are right. I bet there is some strange thing going on. Much like the airlines now sell each other's tickets. It would make much more economical sense that Sony put Sony products on thier products. But then again, maybe they don't want the whole fiasco that Microsoft had with putting Microsoft products in, well, Microsoft products.

Next years headline: (0)

Sir Bard (605512) | about 12 years ago | (#4341494)

People getting addicted to FFXI causing a the US to loose productivity.

Why won't they move on? (0, Interesting)

LighthouseJ (453757) | about 12 years ago | (#4341495)

Why can't square move on from the Final Fantasy name? Do they bank that much on the Final Fantasy name because they are that afraid of beginning another project? I think it's time for Square to move on gracefully now, rather than when Final Fantasy XV comes out and it's completely dead.

Re:Why won't they move on? (3, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | about 12 years ago | (#4341716)

Why can't square move on from the Final Fantasy name?

Bushido Blade
Einhander
Ehrgeiz
Vagrant Story
Xenogears
Parasite Eve
Chrono Trigger/Cross
Driving Emotion Type S
The Bouncer
Kingdom Hearts

I think that Square pumps out the quality non Final Fantasy titles, and you're just not paying attention.

Re:Why won't they move on? (2, Insightful)

jaiteend (410415) | about 12 years ago | (#4341736)

I agree that SquareSoft has pushed out a large number of the FF series games, but have you taken a look at their other offerings?

Parasite Eve? I've had numerous hours playing, but more importantly, replaying the first of that series. As for the second one, it's still a good play.

FFT? Okay the name is the same, but the play is much different and welcome to replay.

There are also a couple of other RPG titles that I've yet to buy/play (Salsa(?) Frontier, etc).

So, I'd have to say that they put out more than just FF games and those ones are quite good.

Dude... (1)

daemonc (145175) | about 12 years ago | (#4341501)

Don't even start.

If you can't beat em with technology (5, Insightful)

SpiffyMarc (590301) | about 12 years ago | (#4341505)

nVidia has finally realized the edge it needs to put ATI under: marketing dollars. No amount of cool tech from ATI will stop the fact that Square signed this deal with nVidia. This is where the GeForce4 will get its' edge against the technically superior Radeon 9700 Pro.

It's the same way with Sony. If you can't win with better games, win with more money and an unstoppable juggernaut of a marketing department.

Re:If you can't beat em with technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341561)

The facts that nVidia puts out drivers to fix problems and puts out drivers to boost performance and does both of these very frequently while ATI takes MONTHS to put out even a first driver upgrade set for a $500 video card despite the fact that problems with the cards cause them to be quite useless for a majority of buyers puts nVidia lightyears beyond ATI.

I will never buy another ATI card.

Re:If you can't beat em with technology (5, Interesting)

Archfeld (6757) | about 12 years ago | (#4341680)

I will echo the above AC's comments LOUDLY and logged in. I've got a ti-4600 and a radeon 9700 pro, the Radeon is a better faster board, that has bugs in places I've never even considered. The 4600 is rock solid and compliant. ATI has yet to realize that a video card IS the drivers. ATI support is slow to respond, they often send the wrong info out, heck they did not even have drivers up for the 9700 for nearly 2 weeks after issue. My cd arrived damaged and I had to plead on IRC to get someone to let me ftp the drivers...
I hope ATI gets it together but how long have people been saying that ?

Re:If you can't beat em with technology (1)

Directrix1 (157787) | about 12 years ago | (#4341771)

Well, kudos to Square. But all I can say is that they lost my money after FF7. That whole genre has just been hit too much for me to ever waste any more of my time on it. Once novel, actually fun, games start coming out again for the PC which require the stupid GF4, then I will be pissed. Talk to me then. Square Soft, is just a drop in the bucket.

Square got some people hooked on the graphics in FF7, and some stayed with it, talking about how great the game was just because it had some nice videos and was kind of dark. I think the whole Final Fantasy series (at least these newer ones) are just big marketing ploys to begin with, riding on the success of its past, and just drawing people in with its sparkly graphics and stereotypical epic movie soundtrack in the commercials, giving the viewer a sense of grandeur and a purpose for the people with no lives. Its all just a big marketing gimmick. But I suppose just about everything these days is. Entertainment has been abstracted to its most raw, cheaply mass produced, generically marketed, and easily unoriginal pieces of multimedia feedback tripe influenced from what the majority of our society registers in their mind as a good use of time, but only because it throws up certain characteristics and not because it is entirely a good game. People just play it because they know people play it, and because it has been established that certain characteristics present in the game are repeatedly established as positive characteristics in games by our culture. Also, you say it has some kind of artistic merit and people jump all over it thinking that somehow they are "cooler" than everyone else because they play a video game thats kind of artistic, sort of. You are no better than a spectator. You have no place in the game beyond the set of impulses traveling between the logic gates in the CPU. You are not actually living it, you are replaying it at your own pace. I can't believe people still play this game or games like them. Our society is either sick or stupid. Judging by the majority of articles on slashdot, I would say both.

Re:If you can't beat em with technology (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341798)

The GF4 doesn't need an edge against the Radeon 9700. The 9700 is brand new (only a couple weeks on retail sale) while the GF4 is at least 6 months old. Soon enough the 9700 will get its ass handed to it by the next nvidia product (which is already overdue).

Whats up with that? (0)

Ectropy (546881) | about 12 years ago | (#4341506)

Well I dont mind Square paretnering up with Dell, well actually I do because I find it so dumb that when you buy a new computer it comes factory installed with so much bloatware it feels like a much slower computer that you couldve found at the thrift store. Lets see, new computers already come with AOL all over the desktop, so many proprietary programs for periphrials, and so many options configured that arent needed that it makes the entire experience of having a new computer not any fun. Now granted, I can see it helps out new people, but there should be a guide instead of just already having it installed. Some people might like this deal with square, but i personally dont (flame me if you like), but i really dont like anime, and I cold find much better uses off the 300 mb on my hard drive. About the thing with NVIDIA - I never heard that, but that is outrageous! So many companies are going out of their way to be standards compliant, while some companies are trying to write their own rules. This is no fair at all to competition, and should be frowned upon as a microsoft-like deal. When will companies realize that wed rather have something work on more platforms than how fancy their cross pens are on their desk? It disgusts me.

Reformat, reinstall. (2)

Lendrick (314723) | about 12 years ago | (#4341581)

Your best bet is to borrow an OS install disc from one of your friends and install the OS again from scratch.

Re:Reformat, reinstall. (1)

mao che minh (611166) | about 12 years ago | (#4341704)

Wouldn't it be easier to just highlight "Final Fantasy XI" in "Add/Remove Programs" and then hit the 'OK' button?

Re:Reformat, reinstall. (2)

Lendrick (314723) | about 12 years ago | (#4341751)

Sure, if you just want to remove FFXI. For some of the other bundled crap, though, you either need to reformat or get a priest.

Re:Whats up with that? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341713)

Well I'd suggest that you're making alot out of nothing! Here are some easy steps you can take!
1. uninstall the game
2. Don't buy a dell

Neither of which cost you any appreciable money. Real computer people make their own computers from parts anyway, so I'd suggest your whining on slashdot is OT.

great idea for selling computers (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341514)

Dell Preinstalling computers with FFXI is a nice idea. It will probably help assure compatibility with their machines. Both Dell and Square would benefit from the sales.

Now only if Dell could convince them to port the game to Linux, they could have a killer game, on a killer OS!

Drats, we use Compaqs at work.... (1)

mao che minh (611166) | about 12 years ago | (#4341517)

Maybe I can talk my supervisor into putting in an order in with IT for a Dell, I just need to find a clever way to justify a Dell and not something else...Hmm, let's see, Dell will offer "alternative" operating systems while Compaq does not - I can always say that I need Linux for rapid mySQL and other sophisticated-web-related acronyms that he won't understand...no wait, I don't think that FFXI is going to run in Redhat.

Correct me if I am wrong... (1)

esper_child (515754) | about 12 years ago | (#4341522)

Didn't FFXI already fail?

Seriously how many games like EQ are we going to see made? Why didn't square try to cut into some totally uncharted territory and offer something that no one had ever seen. They could have done so much more with the idea but they didn't. Might have worked well too if they had done something totally unique. What the game market needs is originallity not rehashes of things that have been and are being done to death.

However show me a MMORPG of Shadowrun (done well please) and I might take interest. Shadowrun has always been a wonderful world to play in, and it is a shame that no one has really done much with it.

Re:Correct me if I am wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341578)

I played Final Fantasy once. I think it was 8 or something. I don't know. It was a recent one. It was more boring than even Diablo 2. It seemed like it was aimed for the six year old demographic. The plot was too set. There wasn't really any flexibility or chance in the game. You just go from point A to point B and do whatever is required in between and you don't go forward until you've done that. The HP's and leveling up seems almost superfluous.

One of the most boring games I have ever played.

Re:Correct me if I am wrong... (1)

mao che minh (611166) | about 12 years ago | (#4341620)

Online gaming has become the new hotness. There was the era of the fighting game, the platformer, the FPS, then the rise of the MMORPG.The online success of FPSs like Halflife, Quake, and Unreal T, and the stupifying profits of Lineage (Korea), UO, and EverQuest, it was only a matter of time before every able company would begin taking their titles into the online realm. Sony is pioneering this movement with a slew of PS2 titles, Sega has ported Phantasy Star Online to the GameCube (not to mention their success with PSO in Japan on the Dreamcast), and Xbox has a bunch of titles ready to go. It's just the next big thing in gaming.

Re:Correct me if I am wrong... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341636)

ummm...the FF series is considered by most (including myslef) as the best rpg series ever created. why not make another?

Lineage 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341523)

I'm much more excited about Lineage 2.

ok, so let me guess what OS it ships with (1)

BurKaZoiD (611246) | about 12 years ago | (#4341533)

unless they're gonna port ff to linux, it's windows all over the world again!

Re:ok, so let me guess what OS it ships with (1)

Profe55or Booty (540761) | about 12 years ago | (#4341628)

no shit. what's your point?

Square sucks anymore... (-1, Flamebait)

AndrewGoat (583337) | about 12 years ago | (#4341537)

I wish Square would do something BESIDES put out the same game every year or so. They havent done anything original or compelling since Final Fantasy 7. I used to love this company and their games, now I despise them for what they are, soul sucking, unoriginal, ass goblins.

FF X was a nice comeback... (1)

BurKaZoiD (611246) | about 12 years ago | (#4341557)

but I mostly agree that with the exception of ff7, everything else since ff6 (US, and the greatest game ever made IMHO) has been complete and utter ass.

Re:FF X was a nice comeback... (0)

AndrewGoat (583337) | about 12 years ago | (#4341571)

Its like this man...I tried playing Final Fantasy 8. I hated the draw system, I hated Squall because I didnt want to play an asshole, I hated how it was just another love story, I hated everything about it, it sucked. I tried Final Fantasy 9. I was pissed off. It was all the crap from their old games, thrown together in like 4 months, with a 4 year old designing the characters. Square sucks. I /WISH/ someone would realize this other than 2% of the universe.

Re:FF X was a nice comeback... (1)

Student_Tech (66719) | about 12 years ago | (#4341629)

One probably I have had with FFX (haven't had a chance to go any further since some one borrowed and never gave back my brothers PS2...) was that it seemed really linear, kinda like an interactive story with out a lot of explor and do random stuff between the goal points. Most of the FFs I have played have some explore and do random stuff while going between points and just seemed more than an interactive story.
( I was almost up to Zanarkland and I didn't have the airship in my control yet if you want an idea how much I had played (using the FFX guide it seemed about 85% or more through the game). )
I am hoping that if FFXI has an online component it might be something like Phantasy Star Online where it can be played on or offline.

It is nice that it FFXI going to be included on the new Dells though, although I hope they won't be the minium specs for it to play decently on...

Re:Square sucks anymore... (1)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | about 12 years ago | (#4341654)

I wish Square would do something BESIDES put out the same game every year or so. They havent done anything original or compelling since Final Fantasy 7

I don't think you have the right to accuse them of this. While they've rehashed the same genre over and over, they did put thier hearts into making Final Fantasy the Movie [imdb.com] . It didn't do too well in the box office, so now they're back to making games.

They tried branching out, and it didn't work out as well as they had hoped. Give them some credit, they tried.

Re:Square sucks anymore... (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 12 years ago | (#4341715)

Approps. page-bottom quote tonight-

"If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. -- W.E. Hickson "

Re:Square sucks anymore... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341730)

I wouldn't call a Final Fantasy movie 'branching out'.

What I'd like to see is Square get into roleplaying games. No, not what they've mislabeled as roleplaying*, actual roleplaying games.

True, roleplaying is quite dependant on the imagination of the player, but what with Square's penchant for graphic beauty (I swear, if they and Carmack ever team up, we'll have true lifelike games!), it might bring the vast majority of people who lack an imagination into roleplaying.

* Roleplaying is not, "I get level, kill monster, win the game! A winner is me!" Nor is it sitting there and clicking on the B button and listening to preformatted text. There's a reason behind the world roleplaying, and that reason is that there is a role to be played. Call games like Final Fantasy what you will (Interactive stories, etc.), but they are most certainly not roleplaying.

Sucks? Pish. (2)

pla (258480) | about 12 years ago | (#4341760)

While they've rehashed the same genre over and over, they did put thier hearts into making Final Fantasy the Movie [imdb.com]. It didn't do too well in the box office, so now they're back to making games.

Damn, do I count as the only person on Earth who actually liked "Spirits Within?"

I mean, it had a decent plot (even if large portions of it did drew heavily from the games IV/II, VI/III, and VII), the graphics made for amazing eye-candy (good enough CGI to "forget" it counted as an animated movie after the first fifteen minutes), and a reasonably consistent game (er, movie) world.

I really suspect it flopped only due to the same anti-animation prejudice American audiences have against anime in general. I don't know a single person who said they hated it - But at the same time, I don't know more than two or three people who actually saw it.

Re:Square sucks anymore... (1)

mao che minh (611166) | about 12 years ago | (#4341686)

Honestly, you can't expect a company to turn their nose up to licensing offers ($$$) just to honor some "no sell out" philosiphy. The phrase "sell out" is not in the vocabulary of marketing people. Partnering with every company that wants a piece of the action might rub the hardcore fans the wrong way, but it makes Square millions.

Dude! (1, Troll)

decipher_saint (72686) | about 12 years ago | (#4341546)

You're getting a hit-point bonus!

And then, at that moment there was a Final Fantasy that didn't fly off the shelves...

No ATI? (1)

LoRdTAW (99712) | about 12 years ago | (#4341551)

Does this mean this game won't run on an ATI or anoy other 3D card? If thats the case then thats one game I won't be able to play.

Re:No ATI? (3, Informative)

stratjakt (596332) | about 12 years ago | (#4341623)

Does nVidia have its own proprietary 3D api?
Nope, it's pretty much DirectX or OpenGL.

Of course it will. Probably look alot nicer on a 256 meg Radeon 9700 Pro, to boot.

Dude... (5, Insightful)

shadowcabbit (466253) | about 12 years ago | (#4341554)

...these jokes are getting old.

But seriously, this could be a good thing and it could also be a bad thing. If FFXI gains enough popularity to generate the fanbase it needs in Japan, a US port (to PC) would be almost guaranteed. But, considering that nobody wants to pay (monthly) for FFXI after buying it, is giving it away free going to make people want to buy it? I think not. Take Everquest, for example-- you can pick up a jewel case copy for $10, a huge slash over what it was back in the day. I did this. And I stopped paying for it two months later, when I found that I don't like that style of game. If anything, it's going to get a huge fanbase for the first month or so and then everyone will quit.

Of course, that's all just my speculation, being a typical FF fan. See sig.

Re:Dude... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341753)

People will buy it and pay for the game. And if you're comparing FFXI to EverQuest, don't. FFXI will toddle where EverQuest strides.

Compare it to Sega's doomed Phantasy Star Online.

And pray that Square can do better than Sonic Team.

If they don't, you can expect a bug-ridden cheat-filled piece of dung, that totally bastardizes an entire world that you've come to know and love. :p

Square is loosing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341568)

As a long time FF fan I can honestly say that FFX is and will be my last FF adventure. Square is whoring itself out left and right (Disney, Dell, Nvidia... etc.) Not only that but the series has gone from rewarding strategy and skill to what hardware your running!?! Please.

Well it seems that Square is soon to be following the footsteps of FF: The Spirits Within.

Hopefully they are happy in their new hell with monkeys and pointy sticks and goatse.cx... and monkeys WITH pointy sticks wearing t-shirts of the goatse.cx guy.

Crash and burn Square.

Re:Square is loosing... (3, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | about 12 years ago | (#4341616)

Square's been doing this stuff forever.. Remember Super Mario RPG? Actually, that Disney one looks kind of intriguing.. Probably pick that up for 'the kids'.

I'm just upset they're abandoning the installed FF fanbase in favor of a 'trendy' MMORPG. What made the series great was the story lines, characters, the single player experience.

Now instead of leveling up to track down Sephiroth or defeat the Ultimate Weapon, I get to have Jimmy McNutsack in his parents basement in Iowa call me a 'big gay fag homo'.

I swear to god, those things are just irc chatrooms with 3d avatars, and less intelligent conversation.

Re:Square is loosing... (1)

jgalun (8930) | about 12 years ago | (#4341627)

I swear to god, those things are just irc chatrooms with 3d avatars, and less intelligent conversation.

Says you, big gay fat homo! :)

j/k, of course. Read his post before you moderate me down, please! :)

They understand! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341569)

It took someone long enough to understand how to deal with the MMORPG market, and it took Square to do it.

The thing is, rpgs of this sort are -addictive-. There isn't alot of gameplay to them, never has been. (I hold this true of games like NWN and the like; you don't actually -play- the game, you -experience- it. And this is addictive. It's also why I refuse to play them anymore.)

So what are they understanding? That 'Hey! You can give the game away for free and charge for subscription, like AOL cds!' If there's very little cost of entry, you're more likely to try it and, thus, be addicted by it. Behold, instant cash cow.

I'm just wondering why it took so long for companies to figure this out, seeing as how I've read speculation on this crap for years...

I want a recompiled FF7 (3, Interesting)

man_ls (248470) | about 12 years ago | (#4341583)

I want to be able to play FF7 on my new PC.

There would be such a massive market if they released a patch, or released a remastered version of the game (updated graphics, perhaps?) that it would easily cover it's own production costs.

Re:I want a recompiled FF7 (1)

mao che minh (611166) | about 12 years ago | (#4341666)

Even though most people my age (23) were not into role playing games when it hit, I would love to see an update of the first Final Fantasy for the NES. I would say update the graphics, add more items, update the interface, and redo the combat screens (anyone else remember cranking up the dialogue speed and just holding down A battle after battle?). If they decided to do this on the GameBoy Advance and release it for 23 bucks, they would sell a bajillion.

I have very fond memories of me and my pal sneaking back into the den at 3 in the morning to find the air ship or hunt down the rat tail.....memories.

Re:I want a recompiled FF7 (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 12 years ago | (#4341699)

It's not exactly what you're thinking of, but PS1 (remake) versions of FF1 and FF2 are confirmed for release in Japan last I knew. Can't imagine it'll be too long before an english version appears :)

Re:I want a recompiled FF7 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341720)

They did remake FF1, on the wonderswan color. Plenty of info here. [planetnintendo.com] The system never made it state-side, so it's a bit obscure. Though if you really wanted to I bet you could find an emulator, I've never bothered though.

As anothe rposter mentioned, I believe it's getting a bit more souped up and making its way to the PS1. Fear.

Re:I want a recompiled FF7 (1)

ChronosX (18644) | about 12 years ago | (#4341778)

Square actually did issue a full remake of the original Final Fantasy 1 and 2, with 3 coming soon (maybe recently released??). The catch is that they are only available in Japanese, and only available for a handheld game system called the WonderSwan Color, made by Bandai and only sold in Asia. Many importers carry these little beauties, but playing imported RPGs is impossible unless you're proficient in Japanese.

I'm also refering to the Japanese FF numbering system... FF2 and FF3 were only released for the Japanese Famicom system (aka the NES). FF1-3 on the WonderSwan feature new SNES quality graphics and greatly improved battle systems.

I do believe that the previously mentioned PSOne release is a port of those remakes. Now that Square is on speaking terms with Nintendo again, perhaps we'll see them ported to GameBoy Advance as well. Start writing to Square.

(Before someone jumps in and "corrects" me, I should mention that FF4, known as FF2 in the US, has also been ported to the WonderSwan. It came out before the FF3 port. I assume this is because new graphics and whatnot were not required.)

Re:I want a recompiled FF7 (1)

jgkastra (571174) | about 12 years ago | (#4341695)

There was a PC version [eidosinteractive.com] of FFVII ported by Eidos for the Windows PC. It works fine on older video cards (Voodoo2), but I have heard of problems with newer ones.

I had forgotten how fun this game is. Time to fire up WINE...

Re:I want a recompiled FF7 (3, Informative)

Cecil (37810) | about 12 years ago | (#4341799)

I can confirm that it doesn't work on newer cards (GeForce2+ and Radeon 7500+), because it claims to require 8-bit paletted textures. Which apparently newer cards don't support.

It will still run in software mode, but it seems to crash a lot anyway (under Win2000, at least). I still insist that it's one of the best console to PC ports I've seen in a long time, in terms of preserving the 'feel' of the game, and the 'feel' of the console. (Particularily when using a good gamepad, like the Logitech Wingman series)

Unfortunately it really is showing its age. I can't really blame it, considering it is just a port, but I'd love to see a patched version that works on newer systems.

Nvidia strongarming... *sigh* (2)

supabeast! (84658) | about 12 years ago | (#4341589)

Does anyone else remember when the really great thing about an Nvidia card was incredible performance at great a great price, and not gimmicks?

Re:Nvidia strongarming... *sigh* (1)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | about 12 years ago | (#4341780)

Nature of the beast I'm afraid.

In a perfect world we'd have open-source graphics designs available. So shopping for a video card might go like this:

1) Load up OS-designs.org
2) Search the graphics sub-section for a type of design that fits your needs.
3) Upload the design to a fab shop in Korea or Taiwan.
4) Give them your credit card number/address.
5) 2 weeks later get your graphics card in the mail.

Something tells me we're not quite there yet.

Random numbers strike again (1, Troll)

Jay Carlson (28733) | about 12 years ago | (#4341594)

Ugh.

Is it just me, or did anybody else see this exact story come out of the random Slashdot story generator?

Counter-proposal (5, Insightful)

parliboy (233658) | about 12 years ago | (#4341603)

Why don't they port FFIX and FFX first. And I mean really make an effort to port it -- I don't want to have to kick in anti-aliasing x3 to enjoy the game.

What? Don't think it'll sell? So quit trying to port XI.

Re:Counter-proposal (2)

stratjakt (596332) | about 12 years ago | (#4341634)

They aren't MMORPGs! The latest buzzword, they're riding the wave, thinking outside of the box, surfing the curve, flipping the bird, and doing other jingoistic marketing things.

You can emulate all the originals nicely on the PC. And the ports of 7 & 8 didn't sell well, AFAIK.

Wow! (2, Funny)

Eric_Cartman_South_P (594330) | about 12 years ago | (#4341605)

What hoars!

Before you know it every Dell box will come with Windows pre-installed. Oh, wait...

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341632)

If you're going to quote Einstein, learn how to fscking spell! The word you were looking for is whores.

Square hasn't produced anything of worth lately (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341643)

Why do we care about this again?
Does this mean my whole desktop will be a Full Motion Video now? What ever happened to basic gameplay in Square games. They also lost the elements in creating games with replayability like Secret of Mana. Dell would be best to avoid anything to do with Square.

My two Gil

Good idea, bad idea. (2)

AnamanFan (314677) | about 12 years ago | (#4341663)

Good idea:
Striking a business deal to provide your game on a large customer base.
[Please note that I say this for games, not utilities or operating systems]

Bad idea:
Requiring your game to only be 'optimized' on a specific company's chip-set.

You guys are pathetic (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341672)

Listen, I will make this point once, so listen up. I know you guys are regular Linux nuts, but when it comes to games, you obviously don't have a clue.

The reason Square is making so many 'exclusive' deals with Final Fantasy XI is because they want this product to be a success. MMORPGs, whether the cheap ****s who won't and never will float the monthly fee will admit it, are quit good and successful games. If this is a quality MMORPG, Square could have themselves a big money maker on their hands. Not only that, but an MMORPG that is insanely popular is a great way to get consumers interested in your other console games. Even better, its a good way to convince them to buy the console where near all Square games live.
( Exception being for portable Squaresoft games. No portable Sony system. )

Square knows it needs as many people playing its MMO as possible. More subscriptions means more monthly cash, more 'friends' of possible subscribers online, etc. . They don't want barriers such as 'which gaming system you prefer' to stand in the way of addicting you to their game. ( especially with that nice monthly fee ;) )

Basically, this story means that a great number of people will play this game purely because it comes with their new Dell computer. It ensures a greater online gaming population of players, and more subscriptions for Square. Its a smooth move.

Obligatory Business Model Post (1)

gleffler (540281) | about 12 years ago | (#4341675)

1. Give away someone else's software with your new computers, with a monthly fee that doesn't go to you, but in fact goes to someone else.
2. ????????
3. Profit!!

Re:Obligatory Business Model Post (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | about 12 years ago | (#4341739)

lets see if I can help:

1. Give away someone else's software with your new computers, with a monthly fee that doesn't go to you, but in fact goes to someone else.
2. Receive a cut of each of the user's monthly fees.
3. Profit!!

Now please shut the FUCK up until you have something funny to say.

Re:Obligatory Business Model Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4341757)

dear god, when will you people give that fucking joke a rest???

nVidia Isn't Appearing So Virtuous Anymore... (2, Interesting)

chip2000 (513030) | about 12 years ago | (#4341688)

Heh. I remember back when nVidia support was in the minority and 3dfx was 'the' graphics card chip. nVidia didn't use any sick tactics back then: their business practice was clean. It seems that has changed; though I suppose Intel was that way once, too.

It's a lesson in monopoly. You keep a company at bay, balanced by another and they BOTH behave and keep prices down. You leave one alone, and prices go up, service goes down, and the customer gets screwed.

I can only hope ATI does well with the latest Radeon Pro (quite highly rated from what I've seen). I'm disgusted with nVidia. This kind of business practice makes me think I should never buy an nVidia card again. Some areas only playable if you buy a ridiculously expensive card? It's incredible what capitalism gives us, just incredible.

nVidia=3dfx? (5, Interesting)

puppetman (131489) | about 12 years ago | (#4341696)

We just saw a story on the collapse of 3dfx. One thing the story didn't mention was Glide, and 3dfx pushing it down the throats of game developers to try to get a monopoly on the market. Thank God for John Carmack, Id Software, and OpenGL.

Now nVidia is doing the following: "This comes on the heels of another story involving Square partnering with nVidia, in which certain aspects/details in Final Fantasy XI will only be able to be accomplished with a geForce4 card"

Now a geForce4 is a nice card, but the ATI 9700 is the only card that fully supports DirectX 9. You would think the 9700 would be better for Final Fantasy.

There is probably a chunk of code that says,

if (card_manufacturer = nVidia)
{
frame_rate=fast;
colors=vibrant;
special_effects=on;
}

It seems like nVidia is going the 3dfx route. Too bad; competition in the graphics card market is good for the consumer.

Re:nVidia=3dfx? (2)

rodgerd (402) | about 12 years ago | (#4341779)

The reason it (the story) didn't mention Glide was the whole piece was a whine trying to blame management for 3dfx's failure - when it was pretty clear that the technical teams were consistenly failing to deliver.

Re:nVidia=3dfx? (1)

tomstdenis (446163) | about 12 years ago | (#4341791)

It would be less subtle then that

texture_mapper = hyper-23-stage-8-port-texture_mapper_that_only_nvi dia_has;

light_mapping = double-precision-14-source-phong-shading;

vertext_shader = GHZ_GPU|DBL_PREC|NVONLY;

if (above == fails) {
emulate_very_slowly();
}

That way they can claim the game needs some super-duper feature that only the Nv chipset has and not be guilty of actually putting a label

if (chip == Nv) { play_goodly(); } else { play_like_pirated_copy_of_tribes_2(); }

Tom

Is this a good thing or bad thing? (2, Interesting)

higuy48 (568572) | about 12 years ago | (#4341714)

This is a mixed blessing. On the one hand, Dell is offering pre-installed games (albeit with only one choice). This increases the number of people with the game, and we all know that when your friends tell you to play something, you should give in to peer pressure. On the other hand, this is just another app that the common computer user will never figure out. They'll probably try to do a straight delete of the game and accidentally delete their important documents in the process (so goes the way of Windows). You know, maybe if these people read Slashdot, they would instantly become intelligent and open-minded.

This is strange (2)

thelinuxking (574760) | about 12 years ago | (#4341756)

I find this to be a puzzling move by Square to have aspects/details that only run on a Geforce4. The XBOX basically has a custom Geforce 4 chipset, which obviously is made by NVIDIA. I don't understand why they would target such a chipset on computers, and not the XBOX while they are at it. Maybe Sony won't let them...

What does this mean for the PS2 Version? (1)

E-Rock-23 (470500) | about 12 years ago | (#4341785)

This game is one of only two reasons I'll be buying a PS2 (the other is Kingdom Hearts). So, if ertain aspects/details in Final Fantasy XI will only be able to be accomplished with a geForce4 card, will that leave PS2 users out of those aspects and details? I'm not a hardware junkie, so I'm not sure of the specifics of the PS2, nor do I much care. I just want a kickass game experience. But if there are going to be GeeWhizForce4-only parts, am I really going to get what I pay for if I buy the PS2 port? As an FF fan since FF1, I'd feel a little jaded...

Problems with MMO games in general (2, Interesting)

Killjoy76 (200335) | about 12 years ago | (#4341793)

I have a problem with all Massively Multiplayer Online Only games... and I think a lot of other people have the same problem with them... monthly fees! I don't want any game where I HAVE to have an Internet connection (broadband preferably) and also HAVE to pay a monthly fee just to play a game. You may also even be required to pay for the game up front too. This just doesn't seem like something that the general consumer wants to bear. I like gaming a lot, and I like playing my games online... but I only play the ones that are free to play online (Unreal Tournament, Medal of Honor, Warcraft 3, etc.). I have played Asheron's Call, Ultima Online, and EverQuest but it turned out that I had a lot more fun playing those types of games (RPGs) by myself. Also, a huge problem with MMO games, is their longevity. Think about it, if you have your NES, Sega, TurboGrafix, NeoGeo, etc. games still and the consoles, you can still play them now. This will probably (95% sure) not be the case with all your MMO games. How many of those will still be around and playable 5-10 years from now. My guess, not many. There goes your time and money investment.
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