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Abrupt Climatic Change Coming Soon?

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the move-to-florida dept.

Science 696

rRaAnNiI writes "Just read an extremely interesting article about the possibility of having a 'little ice age' quite soon - within a decade. The frightening thing is that it makes a lot of sense to me. Does anyone know how to build an igloo?"

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Does anyone know how to build an igloo? (2, Funny)

dJCL (183345) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354439)

Yes, they work great. Being a Canadian, we live throu all extreems of weather, it gets above 40 C and below -40 C where i live, so a little colder just means we have to cuddle up with the women some more.

Re:Does anyone know how to build an igloo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354461)

I'm glad I don't live in the prairies. It's usually only -10 to 30 where I live (although this year we got to 40).

Re:Does anyone know how to build an igloo? (5, Funny)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354469)

a little colder just means we have to cuddle up with the women some more.

But this is slashdot. I suppose we could cuddle up with the stuffed penguins instead.

Re:Does anyone know how to build an igloo? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354503)

www.grandshelters.com

Re:Does anyone know how to build an igloo? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354552)

Do you live on the prairies?? I'm from Winnipeg, and that's pretty much the temperature range there....

One Word: Nanotechnology (3, Insightful)

cosmosis (221542) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354621)

I have no doubt that drastic climate flucuations have occured consistently in the past and will in the future if left on its own. But there is one distinct difference today than in all the Billions of years of climat history - we have the technology. Right now is the first time in Earth's History where we have the capability (but do we have the will?) to change the weather.

There has been tons of research into technologically induced climate change. Keep in mind these climate changes are happening as a result of gas changes in the atmosphere. Changing the mixture of gases is not a big technological hurdle now. Simply adding iron to the oceans could decrease the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Now, coming soon, nanotechnology will enable us to effect the mixture of atmospheric gases substantially. If we do start to get some dramatic cooling effects, procedures could be set into motion to change the gas mixtures to compensate for said cooling. And as the decades go on, our capability in this are will only accelerate. If not, its probably because the humans blew themselves up.

Re:One Word: Nanotechnology (4, Interesting)

richie2000 (159732) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354649)

Simply adding iron to the oceans could decrease the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

Sooo, basically the WWII Nazi wolfpack subs helped stop the greenhouse effect?

News Flash - Mini Ice Age Coming to North America (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354445)

The mini ice age is expected to arrive within the next 3 months. But, don't panic. It's a mini ice age and is only expected to last for, perhaps, 4 months.

Re:News Flash - Mini Ice Age Coming to North Ameri (3, Funny)

TibbonZero (571809) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354483)

It seems that these mini ice ages happen once every 1/2 cycle around the sun, switching hemispheres... They have been suspecting that the cause is a fat man with a red suit for the northern hemisphere, but are still unclear as to the cause of the southern yearly iceage...

FATBASTARD CAUSES GLOBAL CHILL.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354518)

Kyoto bans red suits. News at 11.

More Bullshit on Slashdot... Mods are crackheads (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354446)

haha

This must be my trolliest day evAr!!!! (-1, Troll)

Spazntwich (208070) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354447)

Wooooooohoooooooooooo, I'm a super troll! F34r m3! Heh.

Well, it's that time again. Time for fresh faced youngsters to pack up their precious belongings, moms to break out the tissues, and dads to finally figure out how big a hot tub will fit in your old room. And since it's that time of year, I figure it is the perfect time to share my year of experience in that most important of college experiences--booze. [ablabla.org]

Below is a list of drinks I have imbibed upon frequently and experimented in making recently. I have compiled them in order to let others go into the college year a little more educated on the wonders of alcohol, and its mixing. Of course, these are only the mixed drinks and hard liquors. Beer and wine will have to come later.

Absinthe
Illegal in this country since 1912 because it was found to cause permanent dementia, but available from any resident Greek (he'll call it Ouzo, Frenchmen (he'll call it Ricard), or other European, just follow your nose to this refreshing beverage. No, the drink doesn't smell, but the foreigner you'll be getting it from will! Absinthe isn't alcohol, but more related to a narcotic. It is clear, but when you add the obligatory water and ice, it turns into a color remarkably like semen! The taste is entirely unique, but I don't suggest drinking a lot if it. You might become French.
Smoothness: 2 (out of 5)
Fuck-upness: 4 (out of 5)

Amaretto Sour
1 shot amaretto
Country Time Lemonade to taste
Serve over ice
Perfect for all those tipsy ladies that you love to grope, this drink is candy in a glass, but don't think that it wont get you drunk. This drink is good for freshmen and girly girls (Anna) and anyone wanting to warm up for a good night out or wind down from a hard day in class. I really like this one and stock its ingredients often. Shut up. I'm not a lush. I can quit anytime I want to...
Smoothness: 5
Fuck-upness: 3

Black Russian
2 shots vodka
1 shot Kahlua
Serve over ice.
This drink makes Russians cry. Not just the cute little Russian girls, but the scary Russian men too. Mainly because in the Russian world of snow and capitalistic dogs, there is no such color as 'black.' Stalin banned it in 1952 along with newspapers, Ukrainians, and fun. But name aside, this drink will fuck you up. Fast. As a rule, booze mixed with more booze will do that, but the black Russian is a drink I recommend only for those men already with hair on their chest (Nick) or a death wish (Seok).
Smoothness: 0
Fuck-upness: 5

Cognac
The highest of the high class, Cognac is a special type of brandy (distilled wine) made only in the Cognac region of France. It's expensive. It's best served at 98 degrees. It's stronger than Seok on Creatine. I don't suggest trying to get f'ed up on Cognac, since there are much cheaper ways to go. A lot of people try to make mixed drinks (Café Royals, Cossacks, Chicago Cocktails) with this fine after dinner enjoyment, but I suggest waiting until you're rich enough to not worry about coughing up a lung and spilling $200 on the ground while begging for enough water to put the inferno in your throat.
Smoothness: 0
Fuck-upness: 5

Cointreau
This liqueur is a brand of Triple Sec and is the perfect ingredient for Margaritas. By itself, and with a few ice cubes, this drink taste slightly of orange. Like any specialty liqueur, this is not for getting f'ed up with. I recommend it for impressing chicks with your knowledge of alcohol and an excuse to say "liqueur" a lot.
Smoothness: 4
Fuck-upness: 3

Cosmopolitan
1 shot vodka
½ shot Triple Sec
Cranberry juice
Dash of Lime
Serve Shaken
This is a trendy fru-fru drink that is common to old women who would sell their souls to be young again. It is pink and appeared on Sex in the City and therefore, is damn popular with people who want to be cosmopolitan. But, don't let the clientele fool you. This might be what Doctor Bob calls a "watered down martini," but this pink lush-water does pack a wallop. It's a lot of vodka, especially if you get my luscious Mom to make it.
Smoothness: 4
Fuck-upness: 4

Dominican Devil
2 shots gold rum
Lemonade to taste
Serve over ice
The Dominican Devil is named for my fiancée and is named appropriately. The only time I ever got puking drunk was after drinking these. Well, and the 10+ shots of gold rum. But she took care of me afterward. This is a surprisingly tasty mix that is sour with a sweet aftertaste of molasses. The warmer you serve it, the more molasses in the after taste. Also the more ass in the foretaste. For an extra kick, use Bacardi 151 and light it on fire.
Smoothness: 3
Fuck-upness: 4

Fog Horn
2 shots gin
Juice of 1 lime
Ginger ale to taste
Serve over ice
Yeah, yeah, funny name. But this sweet little number is a nice way to drink when the only thing available is gin. For those of you not in the know, gin tastes like giving head to a pine tree. The strong lime and sweet Ginger ale are a nice way to hide the gin, and still get smashed enough to actually think about seeing if that simile was apt.
Smoothness: 4
Fuck-upness: 4

Gin
Do yourself a major favor. Don't try to impress anyone by swigging this bottle back. You'll only look as foolish as Irish did. The best brands are Tanqueray, Bombay, and Bombay Sapphire.
Smoothness: 0
Fuck-upness: 5

Gin & Sin
2 shots gin
2 shots Orange Juice
2 shots Lemon Juice
Serve over ice
Yet another way to hide gin. This doozy is a good one to remember because the two most common mixers at parties are OJ and Lemonade. They are strong flavors, but remember, so is gin. Just drink it fast.
Smoothness: 2
Fuck-upness: 5

Gin & Tonic
2 shots gin
Dash of lime
Tonic to taste
Serve over 2 ice cubes
Ok. This is a personal summer favorite of mine, but I have to give you a word of warning. If done wrong, this is the worst drink ever. The problem is that gin (as we have established) is awful and tonic taste like rancid monkey ass. The only way they are potable is when they arrive in perfect harmony with a little lime. I'd love to tell you how to balance them right, but I can only tell you it's all practice. I've had a lot, and I'm pretty damn good at it, but I'd suggest getting a seasoned bartender to make this one. And use only the best gins (I use Bombay Dry Gin). One final note on prep--don't stir!! The beauty of this drink is that the tonic bubbles and movement of the ice stir the mix for you. Done right, this drink is one of the reasons to become a lush. Just ask my parents.
Smoothness: 4 (done wrong, 0)
Fuck-upness: 5

Grapefruit Cocktail
2 shots gin
Grapefruit Juice to taste
Serve over ice, or shaken
Irish's favorite (and his grandmother's), this drink will fuck you up good. The gin is amazingly close to the taste of grapefruit juice and it is a pretty good combo if you are sick of drinks that are too sweet or too sour. Grapefruit juice is a rare mixture at a party, but if you're ever hanging at Irish's place, ask for this one. I can't say it hides the gin. It just makes you feel like you're giving head to an old woman instead of a pine tree. Your call.
Smoothness: 5 (Irish made me write that)
Fuck-upness: 5

Long Island Iced Tea
1 shot tequila
1 shot rum
1 shot vodka
1 shot gin
1 shot triple sec
Lime juice, sugar, cola to taste.
Damn.
Smoothness: 3
Fuck-upness: 6 ½

Margarita
1 shot tequila
1 shot Triple Sec
Juice of ½ a lime.
Serve over ice or blended
Another personal favorite, this drink is a must with spicy Mexican food. The salt-rimmed glass, while it may look disgusting, is the key to this drink. It is salty, sweet, and sour with that unmistakable tequila kick. Interestingly enough, it is also the most popular mixed drink among women dining out. Which makes sense; the flavor is as complex as a woman. And, it will fuck you up and make you do as much stupid shit as a woman.
Smoothness: 1
Fuck-upness: 4

Martini
2 shots gin
Serve shaken
This little pretentious number is one of the fundamentals of any mixology. While I (and most) prefer vodka in our martinis, this classic is still popular with old heiresses and people out to a bar for the first time. But don't let these primary customers fool you; this drink is among the highest in fucked-upedness. The martini lover is one of the manliest of men. Just ask Doctor Bob. I'm sure he'll tell you all about how great he is.
Smoothness: 1
Fuck-upness: 5

Pina Colada
2 shots light rum
2 oz coconut cream
3 oz pinapple juice
Blend with ice
This a rum delight that is good for nights out, but I don't recommend it for getting f'd up. There's just too much other stuff in there that you will get full before you can sleep with that ugly sophomore with the lazy eye. Pina Coladas are classified under girly drinks for a reason. They are easy on the tongue and easier on the liver.
Smoothness: 5
Fuck-upness: 1

Rum
Rum is strong, but there is a great, sweet aftertaste that comes from the molasses that it is distilled from. You can sip it, since it's not great for shots, but I prefer mixing it in girly, fruity drinks. Unless its 151 (i.e. 151 proof) which I suggest lighting on fire because burning stuff is fun. Plus burning it burns off most of the alcohol and leaves only the sweet, sweet innards... The best rums I know are Black Seal, and Bacardi Gold, but if you want a fun night out, use Bacardi 151.
Smoothness: 1
Fuck-upness: 5

Screwdriver
2 shots vodka
Orange juice to taste
Serve over ice
This is a very overrated drink that has become very popular for no goddamn reason. It is too thick to enjoy the whispy, angelic properties of vodka and too thick to cool down enough to nullify the burning nature of the alcohol. It's even too thick to drink it fast. I'd liken its flavor to gasoline-soaked snot.
Smoothness: 2
Fuck-upness: 5

Stevotini
1 shot of frigid Grey Goose vodka
5 ounces Minutemaid Lemonade
Serve shaken
This is the drink that I pick when I want to get tanked with the woman I love. It is tangy but with an airy texture that will delight even the most avid pessimist (Robert). Drink it fast, because it is best when Antarcticly cold. It is my favorite Thursday night treat and I can't stress enough how wonderful it is. Drink it with someone you love and make sure you are wearing clothes you can get out of quickly.
Smoothness: 5
Fuck-upness: 5

Strawberry Daiquiri
A few shots of light rum
A pack of frozen strawberries
Blend with ice until desired texture
Yeah, its not an accurate recipe, but I was pretty drunk already. This is another girly drink that's not good for getting drunk off of, but you can speed up the process by taking shots of rum while your girlfriend works the blender. I honestly don't remember the taste...
Smoothness: 5
Fuck-upness: 1

Tom Collins
2 shots gin
Juice of ½ lemon or lime
2 pinches of sugar
Club soda to taste
This drink is also often ordered by heiresses and Mr. Montgomery Burns. It is like a gin and tonic but harder to screw up because club soda isn't that bad. Like monkey ass versus rancid monkey ass. And the sugar really helps. If you are going to add too much of something, add too much sugar.
Smoothness: 3
Fuck-upness: 3

Vodka
My favorite distilled beverage, vodka is the shit. Of course, if you buy the cheap vodka, that is what it will taste like--shit. The best stuff on earth (and all I drink) is Grey Goose. Store it in its own freezer, because this stuff is so incredibly pure, the smells from other food with ruin it. Best served ICEfuckingcold and with a heavy air of pretension.
Smoothness: 0 (Grey Goose: 5)
Fuck-upness: 5

Vodka Martini
2 shots vodka
Whisper of dry vermouth
Serve shaken
Little hint on the best way to mix this one up: fill the shaker with ice, then pour a generous amount of vermouth into the shaker and shake vigorously. Pour out the vermouth, but keep the ice in. Now add your 2 shots, shake and serve. The vermouth remaining on the ice is just enough to make this heavenly concoction. But don't try explaining it to a bartender, unless you like the idea of living your life with a limp.
Smoothness: 2
Fuck-upness: 5

Vodka Tonic
2 shots vodka
Tonic to taste
Serve over ice
No. Just, no. Smoothness: 0
Fuck-upness: 5

Whiskey
This is the liquor of men. Not just because it tastes awful, but because it doesn't taste as awful as gin, which is the liquor of Irish. Men as a whole are smarter than Irish. And they choose this harsh distillate. There are many preferences on whiskey, but I recommend any bourbon. This is whiskey that is made from 51% corn mash, which makes the whiskey sweeter. Jim Beam and Wild Turkey are good bourbon, but my favorite is Maker's Mark. The wax cover is fun to play with and looks damn cool.
Smoothness: 0
Fuck-upness: 5

Whisky Sour
2 shots whisky
Country Time Lemonade to taste
Serve over ice
This has a little more oomph than its amaretto cousin, but is still pretty smooth. Serve this to women who want to look like hardcore boozers, but just aren't up to the task. Also good for lightweight men who have mocked the amaretto sour, and want a little more from their liquor. Garnish theirs with a kick in the head.
Smoothness: 4
Fuck-upness: 4

White Russian
1 shot vodka
1 shot Kahlua
Cream to taste
Serve over ice
This tamer version of the infamous Black Russian is a nice drink if you skipped lunch. It is heavy. And by heavy I mean Seok-in-a-lead-jumpsuit heavy. This drink will fuck you up, but you have to really try. I can never drink more than one and even then it's more than I want. I switch to Stevotinis fast.
Smoothness: 4
Fuck-upness: 1

STFU YOU DUMBASS WINO!!!!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354465)

Not to worry about a mini-iceage (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354448)

When there's Planet X [zetatalk.com] coming next year.

Sounds like another... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354449)

Sounds like yet another "There's an asteroid heading right at us!" scare to me.

My Athlons won' t melt! (4, Funny)

Bloody Bastard (562228) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354450)

Good for overclockers, bad to cooler makers =)

Re:My Athlons won' t melt! (2)

spike hay (534165) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354550)

Good for overclockers, bad to cooler makers =)

Actually, your OCed Athlon will reverse the ice age and induce horrendous global warming.

No but.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354452)

I've always been good at writing my name in the snow!

xth post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354453)

xth post biotches!! Owned!

Re:xth post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354466)

x = 10

Year without a summer (5, Interesting)

Trinition (114758) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354454)

Abrubt climate changes aren't new. In 1816 [expage.com] , there was no summer. Volcanic side effects from the year before blotted out enough light to cause a winterry year.

Re:Year without a summer (3, Funny)

feelsinister (589721) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354524)

In 1816, there was no summer. Volcanic side effects from the year before blotted out enough light to cause a winterry year.
...and the UK has been stuck in a permanent winter ever since.

Re:Year without a summer (2, Informative)

Lord Omlette (124579) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354538)

That must be why we need to invade Iraq so desperately. We can stockpile all the oil and use it to stay warm when the blizzard of pure death hits us.

Wouldn't an entire year without crops have a seriously fucked up effect on our food supply?

People blamed other people for what happened. The usual suspects were, of course, sinners. But one unusual suspect was the late Benjamin Franklin. Some people believed that Franklin's experiments with lightning rods disrupted heat from the sun.


But Ben Franklin would still figure into all this; as the man who would help provide an explanation. In 1920 American weather researcher William Humphreys read some writings by Ben Franklin. The statesman wrote about the cold summer of 1783. He blamed volcanic dust coming from Iceland for the drop in temperature. From this Humphreys was able to make the connection between summerless 1816 and the explosion of Mount Tambora.

Holy shit, Ben's even cooler than I initially thought [keenspace.com] !

deleware (3, Interesting)

echophase (601838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354455)

"Valley Forge might not have been so cold, and Washington's crossing of the ice-bound Delaware River wouldn't have been so dramatic, if he had done it a century later--because our climate conditions have shifted since then, and today, the Delaware River rarely freezes."

I would attribute that to the amount of chemicals being dumped into that system as well, I pity the idiots who put their bodies into that water.

Not as extreme as headline may imply (1, Insightful)

TibbonZero (571809) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354460)

Quoth the article: When I say "dramatic," I mean: Average winter temperatures could drop by 5 degrees Fahrenheit over much of the United States, and by 10 degrees in the northeastern United States and in Europe. That's enough to send mountain glaciers advancing down from the Alps. To freeze rivers and harbors and bind North Atlantic shipping lanes in ice.

While this could/perhaps will affect quite a bit, changing the weather by 5-10 degrees lower won't put us into what we think of as an 'ice age'. It could screw up quite a bit, but it won't be too bad. To me it seems that it would be more winterlike for a month or two as the general affect (which most plants and animals could tolerate I think).
Don't start thinking that it's gonna be like the Pixar movie 'Ice Age' in New Mexico...

Re:Not as extreme as headline may imply (5, Informative)

digidave (259925) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354511)

won't put us into what we think of as an 'ice age'

Are you aware of what an ice age is? An ice age is characterized by summers that aren't hot enough to melt back the advancing ice sheets that developed over the winter. 1C - 2C changes in temp can affect this to some degree. The thing with long ice ages is that they are measured in geographic time, so even a few feet advancement a year can leave much of North America under ice in several tens of thousands of years.

How to build an igloo (4, Informative)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354473)

Here [no.net] are instructions on how to build an igloo, if anyone is interested.
But if you ask me, I think global warming is the trend.

Re:How to build an igloo (1)

Blkdeath (530393) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354655)

There's another way to build a domed snow structure that is, arguably, less difficult, or more difficult,depending on how you look at it.

In essence, you make a snow-pile of about 12' across and 5' high. Take a few sticks and insert them 6" deep into the pile at various locations - these are your 'depth guides' for the next step. Wait 4-5 hours for the snow to 'pack' and freeze (good time to find firewood, food, etc..)

Next, dig an opening, and dig down into the snow until you come close to the ground. Also, dig upwards towards the marker sticks until you've carved out a suitably-sized inner space in the dome. Remove the marker sticks from the outside and cover the holes with some snow. Optionally, you could spray (or splash) some water on the outside of the dome for extra hardening.

Ensure that you have atleast one hole somewhere near the top of the dome for smoke to escape if you plan on building a fire.

This method is easier in the regard that you don't need to have hard-packed snow, or have to make and balance blocks. It's more difficult in that you do have to dig out through a hole.

Once completed, though, the interior walls will harden from the generated heat just like an igloo.

Back to the article - I'm fond of the notion that the Earth goes in cycles, and that "Global Warming" is a ridiculous notion. We're measuring in tiny little snapshots of the Earth's overall existance (mere seconds in the span of a week). We have to keep in mind that a few thousand years ago, the places where most of us sit were 100s of feet under solid ice. A few thousand more years back and we're in molten rock.

I firmly believe that eventually the Earth will be again covered in ice, and eventually after that it will be molten. ("few thousand", of course, being highly subjective)

Re: "Abrupt Climatic Change Coming Soon?" (5, Funny)

guttentag (313541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354480)

Yeah, at the staff meeting on Thursday. They say we're looking at fire, brimstone, and a 60% chance of efficiency experts. Didn't you get that memo?

the US will live up to its responsibility, right? (1, Troll)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354481)

Bush likes to talk about accepting responsibility for one's actions. Since the US is a huge greenhouse case emitter and currently derives enormous financial and economic benefits from cheap energy, if greenhouse gasses cause a massive shift in climate, the US will be willing to accept responsibility for its share and pay trillions of dollars annually to other nations who are frozen, parched, or flooded, right? (If nothing is going to happen, as the Bush administration contends, there is nothing to worry about...)

Re:the US will live up to its responsibility, righ (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354491)

Apparently you haven't read the "Act of God" clause in the contract.

Re:the US will live up to its responsibility, righ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354505)

You would think that if we had a sudden cooling, other nations would pay us to be pumping out those greenhouse gases to warm everything up.

THIS 5 DEGREE COOLER DAY, BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE US (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354506)

Please, please, there's no need to thank us. We're just trying to bring airconditioning to you poor sweaty 3rd worlders. Pew, you stink.

Re:the US will live up to its responsibility, righ (1)

pastorJ (456255) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354535)

Hold on... we are responsible for global cooling because of our greenouse gas emissions??? I wish the environmental scare artists would get real jobs and fund actual scientists to do research instead of trying to blame every possible environmental fluctiation on mankind specifically the U.S.

Re:the US will live up to its responsibility, righ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354543)

China, Russia, Bangladesh and a host of other countries put out more pollution than the U.S. Thank you for playing the Bleeding Heart Enviro-whacko Blame Game. Please try again.

Re:the US will live up to its responsibility, righ (2, Funny)

bobwoodard (92257) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354565)

Damn, now I'm confused. I thought we were to blame for global warming? How am I supposed to feel guilty, if I can't keep track what I'm guily of? Oh, that's right, it doesn't really matter does it?

YOU'RE DOUBLY GUILTY! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354589)

You're causing global warming AND the ice age. It's no wonder everyone hates you.

Re:YOU'RE DOUBLY GUILTY! (1)

bobwoodard (92257) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354618)

Like another poster mentioned, it's actually part of the plan. The two are supposed to cancel each other out!

Of course, a complication here is (as the author mentions) that these cold snaps aren't unusal (historically speaking), so we should probably just keep pumping out the greenhouse gases, to make sure we can alleviate future cold snaps.

this is all BULLSHIT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354482)

First the liberals tell us we need to stop living our lives because the world is going to get too hot and we'll all melt. Now they say we're going to freeze instead?? Come on people, the bullshit meter is off the scale here.

Re:this is all BULLSHIT (-1, Flamebait)

snarfer (168723) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354509)

"The liberals"

Republicans have become so pathetic, it hurts to watch.

Re:this is all BULLSHIT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354533)

Both parties are pretty bad.

Re:this is all BULLSHIT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354560)

"Republicans"? Pot, kettle, black.

hmph! (3, Funny)

digidave (259925) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354484)

Where are those global warming nutcases now? Methinks they'll be very quit until the ice age ends, then get all worked up about the ice sheet over Calgary thinning.

Global Warming (1)

syntaxofinsanity (559524) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354496)

I'm interested to see how this will interact with global warming itself. I.e, if there is an "expected ice age" but global warming prevents it...maybe they will counter-act eachother in such a way where we dont even feel the change. Just food for thought, since we all know I have a P.h.D in Meterology

Re:hmph! (3, Insightful)

snarfer (168723) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354526)

Bonehead - this climate change is BECAUSE OF global warming. At least read the article before calling people "nutcases."

Yea (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354539)

Global warming is causing a mini ice age.

Now you're making sense.

Re:hmph! (2, Interesting)

gaj (1933) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354578)

Um, no.

If you had read the article, you would have learned that these climactic changes are common. They have happened many times in the past, and will most likely happen again in the future.

The only thing mentioned about global warming in the article (other than the hype^h^h^h^hheadline) was the assertion (un-supported) that "It is reasonable to assume that greenhouse warming can exacerbate the possibility of precipitating large, abrupt, and regional or global climatic changes."

Hardly a statement that the climate change is "BECAUSE OF" global warming.

So, perhaps you should consider reading the article before calling people "bonhead", eh?

Re:hmph! (5, Informative)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354549)

Where are those global warming nutcases now? Methinks they'll be very quit until the ice age ends, then get all worked up about the ice sheet over Calgary thinning.

Read the damned article. The ice age may be caused by global warming via changes in ocean salinity.

The climate is a chaotic nonlinear system. The results of twiddling its parameters may be counterintuitive or unpredictable. There never seems to be any shortage of armchair climatologists who can't comprehend this fact.

Re:hmph! (1)

snarfer (168723) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354581)

The climate is a chaotic nonlinear system. The results of twiddling its parameters may be counterintuitive or unpredictable.

Perhaps unpredictable, but certainly measurable after the fact, which is the basis of the article - it appears to be happening.

History Lesson (4, Interesting)

chainrust (610064) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354488)

If the Ice Age was this long:
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The period from the end of the Ice Age till now is this long:
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As you can tell, the non-Ice Age time is an aberration, not the norm.
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Re:History Lesson (1)

Izeickl (529058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354653)

Remember however, that there was also an extremely long period when the earth was hot and tropical, indeed from the birth of the earth to the first ice age was one helluva long time, longer than the ice age even? (Anyone know?)

Re:History Lesson (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354656)

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Imagine.. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354489)

..a beowulf cluster of this!

scary stuff (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354493)

I saw something on the discovery channel the other night that mentioned the same thing, it was called ocean mysteries or something similar...

Showed how if the planet got just a wee bit warmer, it would frell with the ocean's thermal regulation system and frell it up for a while...

And yes, just a drop of a few degrees will really frell things up! Look at the florida citrus farmers - they are teetering on the edge now. they can't exactly move further south when they want - even a slight freeze, and their fruit is worthless...

if rivers freeze at the wrong time, it could interfere with salmon spanning and the like, causing small cascades in the food web. Oh nature as whole will handle it, though we will suffer during the adaptation...

After all, even one degree is the difference between freezing and melting point, no?

the disturbing part of all this is the source (4, Interesting)

ruebarb (114845) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354495)

This ain't Joe Blow, grad student and paranoid geek extraordinare...

This is the head of the Woods Hole Oceanagraphic Institute...and he's basing his model on what he sees taking place in the oceans...this is fairly reliable scientific analysis...it can't be duplicated thru experimentation, but it's an interesting hypothesis nevertheless.

If he's right, we are seriously fucking this planet up, ....in the end, it'll probably resort more in the deaths of millions, but fuck em...as long as the SUV on the heater works, right? It'll just kill off the poor and infirm and save us having to pay so many taxes for social programs..

yes...that was sarcasm...you dig? not pretty...

Re:the disturbing part of all this is the source (1)

Xacid (560407) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354598)

"as long as the SUV on the heater works" Damn, we are screwed. :p

What makes you think... (5, Insightful)

JaredOfEuropa (526365) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354619)

... that it is us causing this?

Almost everyone knows that the Earth's climate shifts over time, sometimes dramatically. What is still unclear (despite best efforts of people to firmly convince you one way or the other) is how much impact human activity has on the climate. Volcanic emissions dwarf global emissions due to human activities, for some gases and chemicals. The past has seen dramatic climate changes without humans having anything to do with it

The question is not if we are bringing about an ice age or a warmer period (depending which scare of the day is going around). The question is if we are accelerating the change and by how much. If we bring an ice age about 100 years sooner than it would have occurred naturally, it hardly matters in the long run (but this generation might think otherwise). I believe in cutting back emissions and energy usage, cleaner factories and recycling and all that. But I am tired of the "we are killing the Earth" line.

Re:the disturbing part of all this is the source (2, Insightful)

james_underscore (468915) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354647)

Social programs cannot stop global warming. [ishmael.org]

You can throw more money each year at telling people to turn down the heating, but each year the human population increases closer to (or perhaps beyond) the carrying capacity of the planet. This is the real problem. I have perfect confidence in the ability of life on this planet to survive a 5-10 F drop in temperature (its been done before). The human race is no exception - we are a non-specialist species with an ability to live in many climates. The article seems more worried about a decline in economic prosperity in the developed world;

"it could soon trigger a dramatic and abrupt cooling throughout the North Atlantic region--where, not incidentally, some 60 percent of the world's economy is based."

Sounds like that would be something you are in favour of.

P.S. saying that it must be right because it was written by the head of the WHOI is arguing to the person an not a valid scientific argument. There is no mention of peer review of this article, and it has a single author

Sure but (5, Interesting)

smoondog (85133) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354497)

The title is slightly misleading. Under the scenario presented here, Global warming is still occuring. The point of the author, I believe, is to point out the likely occurance that raising the temperature of the earth will have a huge effect on the worlds climates. Global warming is more than just raising the temp 5-10 degrees uniformly, some areas will warm significantly, and others, due to shifting weather patterns, will likely cool.

I think a more important problem than temperature is what effect global warming will have on precipitation. Precipitation levels change dramatically with climatic shifts and do much more to determine what happens to your environment. For example, dry and hot == desert, while wet and hot == tropical rain forest. Next time someone tell s you your tempurature is going to rise, ask, yes, but is it going to rain?

BTW - the comment about glaciers also is a little misleading. The snow fall/snow melt cycle is more than just temperature -- it is also a function of precip. More snowfall with no temp change can cause glaciers to grow. The east coast (of the us) would need a significant increase in winter snowfall and a significan decrease of temp to cause glaciers anywhere.

Some problem with the article... (4, Insightful)

aepervius (535155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354502)

Normally in scientific publication you avoid putting "very" and "not much" [smothing] on a scale. Why ? Because it doesn't allow to judge what the author meant by very and not much. But if you look the salty water/fresh water scheme below it doesn't say anything. So how are we to judge the saltiness change ?

Even if it would have been less comprehensible for some, they would better have left on the scale concentration changes so that at least one can have a chance to jduge the changes.

So what is very salty to fresh water ? A change from 180g.l- to 170g.l-1 ? Lower ? Higher ? So to summarize : nice article but not enough data to jump on the bandwagon.

But, enough data..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354579)

More than enough data for whacked out environmental fruitcakes to jump to conclusions.

Let's see. We're all going to drown because the ice caps are going to melt but, at the same time we're going to freeze to death because of an ice age.

My theory say, the poles will melt causing a flood but, the flood will be frozen due to the ice age. Then hockey will take over the world because everyone will be able to skate! The next Gretsky will be from Africa.

Woohoo! (2, Funny)

Dark Lord Seth (584963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354504)

This is actually good news, at least now we can hold another "Elfstedentocht" again here in the Netherlands. Then again, having -20 degrees celcius all year round might not be as fun as it seems, though it would rock for once to have said "Elfstedentocht" in July... ^_^

Then again, I was expecting global warming which would place my town right next to the sea. I already had a burger stall planned out to make money on the German tourists... :(

Scaring pocketbooks open. (4, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354516)

I dunno, the article is full of 'what if' and 'could be' and 'possibly'. The theory itself seems to be an alternate consequence of the Global Warming theory, which in itself hasn't been conclusively proven or disproven.

These scientists always seem to oversimplify the complex system that is the earths weather pattern.

They talk as if its fact, but the best anyone can do is an educated guess. We don't understand the earth. If we could you wouldn't hear "60% chance of rain" on the nightly weather report.

I wonder why they do it.

From the about WHOI page:

Funding
The Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution is supported by a mix of grants from federal agencies including the National Science Foundation and the Office of Naval Research, private contributions, and endowment income.

Oh, I guess people are less likely to contribute to the "Everything is A-OK" foundation.

Not that I'm against them, they're better than other eco-groups which do nothing but spout speculative doom-and-gloom prophecies. At least these guys are scientists, not activists. The article warned of possible climate changes, not an end to all life as we know it.

Re:Scaring pocketbooks open. (1)

maw (25860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354641)

Oh, I guess people are less likely to contribute to the "Everything is A-OK" foundation.

Not so. They get plenty of funding. They just don't call themselves that. Instead, they call themselves (in the US) the Democrats and Republicans, (in Australia) Labor and Liberal, etc.

Yawn.... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354528)

Yeah, right. These guys can't even forecast the weather a month from now! Heck, they can't even figure out where a hurricane is going to end up.

Just wait a darn minute! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354544)

I thought I was supposed to be telling my grandchildren that I had to walk to school uphill both ways in a snowstorm... not the other way around!

Come to Canada to get practice (1)

pardasaniman (585320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354553)

If you want to prepare for the ice age, come to canada. We need lots more unix geeks anyway. (with the exception of ottawa)

I hope an ice age is coming (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354556)

It'll wipe out a bunch of niggers and members of other lazy races.

Great Oceanic Conveyor (1)

leed_25 (156309) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354562)


There was a PBS program --Nova, I believe-- which did a one hour treatment of this subject. I saw it in the last 6 months on KQED.

Igloo? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354563)

I AM CANADIAN!

=)

Why Frightened? (4, Interesting)

RhettLivingston (544140) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354566)

All we're seeing here is our planet's self-correction mechanisms at work. There is likely nothing that we mere humans can do to permanently change the planet. It's design contains a complex system of checks and balances that we might actually be able to understand a fraction of in another 1000 years or so. We argue on the basis of the understanding of a few variables in a system with nearly infinite variables and it laughs at us.

But why fright? I would love a 10 degree drop in St. Louis. Enough to cut the oppressive humid heat out of the summers and get the snow cold enough to stay snow instead of becoming mucky slush in the winter. It would be a refreshing break. And the glaciers of North America need another boost. They've been disappearing in places.

The problem with us is that our cities are now too large and our roots too deep. We build expecting the rivers and coasts to stay where they are, not realizing that where they are is not where they were 50 years ago. Then we try to hold nature back. We confine rivers to courses that bottleneck their flood waters, we build dikes to keep the ocean at bay, we water to keep the deserts at bay... STOP!!! If nature wants to move a river or change a coast, let it! If people have the money to build there, let them! But don't get upset when their homes are swept away. They should know and accept the risk. We need to learn to build with the expectation of change... even welcoming it. Build so that change enhances.

And all you environmentalists out there, stop whining. 150 years ago this nation was so smoggy the buildings had to be scrubbed of soot every year. We were in a little ice age just 200 years ago. Its the cycle of life. You think way more of us then nature does if you think we can actually put any real dent in it. Things will change. And over the long term, they'll get better (my dream is a society with enough clean energy that we can all afford to move to massive underground complexes and restore the surface to be one big park)(oh, that means NO SOLAR PANELS MUCKING UP THE HORIZON TOO). This planet can afford for us to make our mistakes and learn from them.

Re:Why Frightened? (2, Insightful)

sekensirazu (581164) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354590)

That mentality will drive our species to extinction. For proof, read Daniel Quinn's Ishmael. For more immediate information, read this [ishmael.org] . Some of your points are good, i.e. that there are checks and balances in place. However, in the last 10000 years alone humans have seized the role of proprietor on this planet and have single-handedly changed permanently these mechanisms. If you're as observant as your post suggests, you owe it to yourself to read the book I have listed above... it would clear up a lot of the confusion you must feel.

Re:Why Frightened? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354664)

However, in the last 10000 years alone humans have seized the role of proprietor on this planet and have single-handedly changed permanently these mechanisms.

Permanently? Uuuhh... yeah, right. Is your RL handle Chicken Little? Pick us up, move us to [...somewhere else...], and return to Earth after a million years. What would you see? I imagine the Earth is such a large and dynamic ecosystem you would not find any permanently changed mechanisms.

Re:Why Frightened? (4, Insightful)

mithras the prophet (579978) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354640)

Planets do not have self-correction mechanisms. They are not alive.

I do agree with your broader point that it is foolish to expect to "freeze" nature at a particular point. You're right - life will go on. Bacteria and the cockroaches will probably be just fine.

However, it is downright idiotic to just throw up your hands and let anything go. The future is largely in our hands, and we can determine what kind of environment we will live in. (e.g. Our cities and waterways are less polluted now than 100 years ago because of a profound cultural shift and stringent regulations, not because they just "got better").

You can choose to live in a world without old-growth forest or spotted owls or wild areas, a world with a Sahara desert covering half of Africa and matching deserts on each continent. I'd rather be a little more careful and preserve some of the pretty stuff for my grandkids.

Just ask Venus and Mars whether they "self-corrected" their climate change...

Previous advanced socities. (1)

will_die (586523) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354567)

Since according to all the other scientists the greenhouse affect is totaly caused by humans, and nothing else is causing enough of a change to create the greenhouse effects.
Since this article indicates that this freezing is caused by the greenhouse effects, and this has happen multiple times in the past.
This all leads to the most simply solution:
The Atlantians drove SVUs. And I plan to sue them.

iceage (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354568)

i see no scientific fact as to why global warming will lead to ice ages in this article. This guy is a moron.

Ice age.. (1)

digitalsynapse (446428) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354573)

I find this hard to believe, considering the global warming proof being presented by fairly reputable atmospheric scientists. There's an article to the contrary located here [nature.com] (nature.com) that I found interesting. Regardless, isn't it a little absurd to assume that changes to the world are going to happen within a decade or two of us realizing the consequences of our actions? If we've really been doing this since the 1800s, it's obviously been a gradual build-up and not something that's going to happen in ten years. Enviromental alarmism or not, maybe we have ample time to fix our mistakes?

Maybe at same time earth's mag field reverses... (4, Interesting)

waytoomuchcoffee (263275) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354588)

Earths mag field periodically reverses [nasa.gov] too, which could cause all sorts of mischief such as affecting climate [sciencenet.org.uk] .

Nature reported that the magnetic field off the southern tip of Africa has already flipped. Anomalies like these have already reduced the strength of the planet's magnetic field by about 10 percent.

SO MUCH FOR "GLOBAL WARMING" JUNK SCIENCE (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4354605)

southern hemisphere? (1)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354614)

But what about the southern hemisphere? The (very interesting!) article only says about the consequences for the northern hemisphere, which will get much more cooler. So I guess the southern hemisphere is getting much more warmer?

Fallen Angels (2, Interesting)

Dunedain (16942) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354617)

This story has an interesting echo with Larry Niven's story "Fallen Angels, [baen.com] " available from the Baen Free Library [baen.com] . It's the story of what happens when the anti-scientist green-earthers get their way and ban greenhouse gasses. Ironic that WHOI seems to think greenhouse gasses may cause an ice age.

Insight. (1)

sekensirazu (581164) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354625)

Mod me down if you want...

ALL of you need to read Daniel Quinn's Ishmael.

You'd understand how we've gotten to this point of f'in things up so badly. It's regrettable that we won't be here in 200 years to see this mini-ice age.

Think about it: our population has doubled in 35 years. If we keep it up at this rate, by the year 5000 we would have enough humans to populate one planet per star in the known universe.

Somethin's gonna give, and it's probably gonna be our egos.

I reiterate, read Ishmael.

Which is better... (1)

octalc0de (601035) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354636)

from the move-to-florida dept.


Florida? Florida? Yeh, sure pack 'em all off to Florida! I'll just stay here.

At least with snow, you get to do stuff, such as sledding, skiing, and snowball fights! :)

With Rain, what can you do? Throw water at people? :)

Igloo 101 (5, Informative)

onyxruby (118189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354638)

Ah, the joys of Boy Scouts, where one can learn how to build an igloo in Minnesota Winter Survival training camp.


You need a long saw / chainsaw and it helps to have an ice auger.


Drill a hole in the ice (at least 8" deep) with your auger - this is your starting point.


Use your long saw (they have speciality [fishingmn.com] ice saws for this used by ice fishermen) to cut away from the hole. Make your cuts parallel from each other. Cut longways before crossways. Make your blocks about 8 inches cubed.


Once you have your first row cut, remove the ice with special tongs [kaleden.com] made for the purpose. Do not try to remove these by hand as you'll throw out your back and likely end up in your now open hole in the ice.


Work parallel from your hole towards shore, do not work towards the center of the water, and the ice can thin dramatically and quickly (especially over rivers with strong currents).


As a good safety guide, have someone else with you and a large ladder nearby if available.


Once you have enough ice blocks, you will want to choose a place to put them. As heavy as the ice blocks are, it may be tempting to build the igloo right next to where you removed them. This is a bad idea as the finished igloo will be quite heavy and could easily crash through the ice. Be careful to build this over stable flat terrain.


Arrange your first row of largest ice blocks in a circle. It doesn't need to big. The smaller it is inside, the better it will preserve warmth. Once you have the first row done, pack the crevices with snow. Put snow on top of the first row as a sort of mortar. Remember to put a hole for getting in and out!


Add one layer at a time, adding in a small opening for crawling in and out of. The opening needs to in the form of an arch, and no taller or wider than about 1 1/2 feet at most. Just barely big enough to crawl through is good.


As you build up, you can start to discover that you are bring the ice blocks towards the middle. This is the tricky part to get right. Have one person on the outside, and one in. The snow that you have been using a mortar can help or hinder here, depending on where you got it. Try to find stick snow


Cap the igloo. For your first igloo, this can be pretty tricky. If you have built it tightly, it will lean in on itself and support itself. The top piece needs to be a pressure fit piece. For this, you'll want to start with a bigger piece and cut it down to size.


You can also build an igloo out of snow, the process is much the same, but not all snow can be used for this.


Finally, pack all the crevices with snow. This will help preserve warmth and keep the wind out. All things considered these things are actually pretty comfortable for winter camping.


Remember, your just building a big Roman arch, get help, and you'll be fine. It helps to bring ice fishing gear to go ice fishing when your done:)

You know, even the eskimos don't live in igloos .. (3, Interesting)

dougmc (70836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354643)

They only make igloos when they're travelling. They use them like we'd use tents.

If I recall correctly, most of the time they live in houses made of dirt and/or driftwood.

(To be fair, all the ekimos I've known lived in houses much like the house I lived in. But then again, I only lived in Anchorage and never really got to know anybody who was living way out in the styx.)

(ObPC: The Eskimos are only one of several types of natives living in Alaska, but they're the ones known for making igloos ...)

Two ways (5, Funny)

mc6809e (214243) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354645)

So now we have two ways to prove that CO2 is affecting the climate of the Earth:

The Earth's climate is getting warmer.

The Earth's climate is getting cooler.

Whichever we see, we know it was the fault of CO2, right?

Good... (1)

Trevin (570491) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354651)

I felt it was a little too warm last summer. Lower temperatures would feel pretty good.

Once in a million years, fate conspires against us (5, Funny)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 11 years ago | (#4354660)

If only Compaq hadn't EOL'd the Vax, we might have easily laughed off a puny 10 degree drop in avg winter temperatures. Is it any wonder southern California is a desert? You youngin's might not be aware of it, but 50 years ago it was a tropical paradise. About that time, California universities and colleges started ordering various DEC computers, and the damage was soon irreversible.

I kid you not, last year NASA published an article claiming that from the years 1976-1984, that side of the planet actually heated the sun, not the other way around.

Our only chance, is to pull as many MicroVaxen as we can out of retirement/storage, and strategically place them throughout the North Atlantic. If we start soon, maybe we can end this ice age before it even begins!
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