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MX700 Cordless Optical Mouse w/Charger

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the still-pumped-from-using-the-mouse dept.

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dkgamez writes ""To make a long story short, here I am, with my dream - a cordless-optical-rechargeable mouse. You can't imagine how good I feel right now.""

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riight (3, Informative)

dr_labrat (15478) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358094)

I'm sure HP have been selling something very similar for a very long time....

Re:riight (1)

Chattah (234355) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358573)

I have been using a mouse made by Micro Innovations for alomst a year now. It's cordless and has rechargable batteries. All you do is plug a cord into the side of the mouse to recharge it.

When the batteries get low the scroll wheel lights up.

Damn! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358097)

Good god man! Have you ever even seen what a pussy looks like?

Clueless? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358099)

A clueless mouse?

Re:Clueless? (3, Funny)

Arker (91948) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358157)

A clueless mouse?

Is there any other kind?

Anyway, reading the article, which starts out 'I guess you may call me a "mouse freak", and I suppose that I am one indeed' and continues through such moisty-gushy phrases as 'I still wasn't satisfied' 'My "mouse dream" has been finally fulfilled' and 'You can't imagine how good I feel right now' - it's hard NOT to draw the obvious conclusion. It looks like the gerbils now have competition, as a new breed of rodent fetishist comes out of the closet.

Wow dude! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358101)

I am very happy for you. Here I am bored to death reading yet another stupid /. article not worth reading...

Ouch (5, Funny)

Wrexen (151642) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358102)

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e4d'

[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Too many client tasks. /articles.asp, line 107


Slashdotted with 3 comments posted. Apparently the webserver is wireless and runs on batteries, too

Re:Ouch (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358116)

using an access database is a bad idea for a website, microsoft recomend no more than 9-10 connections, need to spend more and use SQL, or go free and postgresql (or mysql)

Re:Ouch (1)

jsse (254124) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358595)

using an access database is a bad idea for a website, microsoft recomend no more than 9-10 connections, need to spend more and use SQL, or go free and postgresql (or mysql)

Yeah, so I keep clicking it until I can get in that 9-10 connections. :)

Not the first one... (5, Informative)

staili (200478) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358104)

At least Dexxa [dexxa.net] and HP [hp.com] have similar products.

Re:Not the first one... (2)

Spire (101081) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358368)

OK, I've found the Dexxa Wireless Optical Mouse [dexxa.net] which seems to be very similar indeed to the Logitech MX700, for a full $30 less! However, I can't find something similar from HP [hp.com]. Anybody around here know what the HP equivalent is?

On a side note, I've been using Logitech mice for around fifteen years now, and I've always preferred them due to their (usually) great ergonomic design, good looks, and durability. In this case, I don't know if a $30 savings would be enough to lure me away from the company that I've come to know and trust when it comes to mice. I guess I'd have to spend half an hour or so in a B&M store with both mice to really be able to decide. (Yes, I am unusually picky with my mice, in case you hadn't noticed. Keyboards, too.)

Here's another question: I seem to vaguely recall that Dexxa is (or used to be) a reseller of rebranded Logitech OEM mice. Is this correct, or am I thinking of another company?

Wow (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358107)

This story is so interesting - NOT.

Anybody want to play noughts and crosses:

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Re:Wow (-1, Offtopic)

youngerpants (255314) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358117)

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Kinetic mouse? (5, Interesting)

G-funk (22712) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358113)

How about a cordless mouse that charges up with movements, like a wristwatch?

Re:Kinetic mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358124)

Has to be a ball mouse not optical.

Re:Kinetic mouse? (2)

Psiren (6145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358162)

No, it doesn't. Kinetic watches use springs and weights. There's no reason that the same thing couldn't be used in a mouse. Theres no need for any mechanical contact with the desk.

Mosewheel (1)

Lispy (136512) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358191)

And you could use the energy that comes with the turn of the Mousewheel. I bet most of my burned fat goes in the use of this...

Re:Kinetic mouse? (1)

shpoffo (114124) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358201)

so...... how fast can you say "file a patent"?

I'm not kidding, that's a very, very good idea. Just do your wristwatch homework to see if there's enough kinetic energy available to power the laser and wireless transmitter.

-shpoffo

Re:Kinetic mouse? (2)

G-funk (22712) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358294)

it doesn't have to be a counter-weight system either, it could have an old-fashioned ball, but instead of using the ball for tracking (crap), use a optical sensor for tracking, and generate electricity with the ball.

Re:Kinetic mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358286)

How about a webcam recognizing your hand gestures and following your sight?

Re:Kinetic mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358370)

I would like to be able to have a wireless mouse and a wireless keyboard that are SEPERATE PRODUCTS. That is, I'd like to buy a standalone wireless keyboard and a standalone wireless mouse and be able to use both of them. Unfortunately, since the RF receiver always has to be plugged into the PS2 keyboard slot, you are always fucking stuck buying those stupid packages. Good luck finding a GOOD ergonomic/wave keyboard without a shitload of stupid "internet buttons" for the retarded people and a nice full sized ergonimic wheeled, four or five buttoned optical mouse.

Chances are you'll find a good keyboard and a shitty mouse, or the other way around. I couldn't even find more than one wave keyboard that was wireless and it only came with a balled mouse.

Re:Kinetic mouse? (1)

Spire (101081) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358386)

Damn, that's a really, really, really good idea. I'm drooling already. You really should patent that, as someone else has already suggested [slashdot.org].

Seriously, get to work on a prototype. I want one now!

Re:Kinetic mouse? (2, Funny)

spakka (606417) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358424)

Great idea.

Pity that it's the other hand that is furiously generating kinteic energy in the typical Internet user.

Re:Kinetic mouse? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358516)

A kinetic watch wouldn't generate enough power. Think about it. A watch battery lasts a minimum of 6 months. According to the comments after the article it takes 6 hours to drain 2 AA batteries. So on the one hand (ho,ho) you've got to generate one watch battery/6 months, on the other 2AA batteries/6 hours.

Not really in the same league.

ps. I actually had a mate once who's kinetic watch kept on losing time because he didn't move enough. True story.

I know this is slashdot, but... (4, Funny)

GnomeKing (564248) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358114)

When you dream about cordless optical rechargable mice, you really need to go down to the pub and meet some girls!

No shit... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358132)

I think maybe it's time to go hunt through preferences and see if I can't turn off stories by Michael... some geek dreams of a cordless mouse and that's front page news? Jesus... that's sad. I mean, if it was a cordless keyboard even, that wouldn't be quite so bad... a fucking mouse? Please.

Re:I know this is slashdot, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358160)

cordless electrical ones? I can only find the analogue style.

The long story.. is quite short (2, Informative)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358119)

atleast at the moment " Active Server Pages error 'ASP 0113' Script timed out /articles.asp" :)

But I quess you mean the GyroMouse [gyration.com] by Gyration [gyration.com], or maybe something else. Anyway, there seems to be atleast a dozen devices to fullfill your dreams - lucky you ;))

Re:The long story.. is quite short (4, Informative)

Dahan (130247) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358141)

But I quess you mean the GyroMouse by Gyration

As the title of the story says, it's a "MX700 Cordless Optical Mouse [logitech.com]." From Logitech.

Re:The long story.. is quite short (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358182)

Yup, but it is good to notice that Logitech and other bulk manufacturers is not the only available option.

Why all the excitement? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358122)

"You can't imagine how good I feel right now."

Why, does it vibrate as well?

Re:Why all the excitement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358306)

Do you really need vibrating devices to feel good? I think there's gotta be some form of satisfaction in having nice material(istic) things around you.

But is it USB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358128)

But is it USB?

[I don't know, the link is /.ed]

Rule # 11 for posting Slashdot stories... (1)

mmoncur (229199) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358130)

Don't "make a long story short" unless you're sure your Web server can handle the traffic of every Slashdot reader trying to make the short story long.

Illegal... (1)

HiQ (159108) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358131)

Illegal instruction in C:\WinNT\System32\DRIVERS\mouclass.sys

My mouse was charged for this illegal deed. So you see, my mouse is optical, and charged *too*

jeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358136)

This is so fucking redundant - why can't we have an ability to moderate articles and, as a result of bad moderation, ban responsible posters for a month?

In anticipation of a next big post (RH 8.0 release) /. folks would appreciate some fun.

Re:jeez (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358164)

You have no idea how close to ban you were.

You've saved your ass mentioning Red Hat in the same post in which you've posted negativelly about Michael.

Stupid (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358138)

Who the fuck let this shit story on? I could give a shit about the freak who just creamed his pants over a fucking mouse. Get laid or something.

cool idea that I'd buy (1)

mrycar (578010) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358142)

Now this is something useful. My Microsoft Cordless ball-less mouse is a vampire. It loves its batteries.

What would be nice is a mouse with two slots with electrodes in the slots. Then you could park the mouse over its charger. You could even make the charger flat and tappered so the mouse could "drive" up the ramp, before parking.

Since this site is slashdotted, I guess the AA rechargeables will have to stay.

Anyone want to make rechargable mouse mods?

Article Text (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358145)

Introduction
I guess you may call me a "mouse freak", and I suppose that I am one indeed. With lots of high-tech mice, including the Logitech Cordless MouseMan, TrackMan FX and Microsoft's IntelliMouse Optical, floating around my desktop, I still wasn't satisfied - well, until I got the MX700. My "mouse dream" has been finally fulfilled by Logitech.
You will soon see why.

The story goes back to the year 2000, when I had to choose between two top-of-the-line mice - the then just-released Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer with optical technology and the Logitech Cordless MouseMan. It was a hard decision: optical or cordless. I remember wishing there were a mouse that combined both of these desirable characteristics - that were both optical and cordless. Eventually, I decided to go for Logitech's Cordless MouseMan, preferring to have "cordless freedom" at the expense of optical technology. The Cordless MouseMan remained my trusty mouse for about a year.

However, nothing lasts forever, and one day, while shopping at Best Buy, I unexpectedly came upon the Logitech Cordless TrackMan FX. Even though it was a trackball, the fact that it was cordless and had a built-in optical sensor deeply attracted me. I immediately decided to buy it and that may have been the biggest mistake I had ever made. The AA battery needed to be changed every once in a while, and it took me a lot of practice to get used to the trackball. Believe it or not, learning how to use the TrackMan FX is actually harder than learning to drive a car. So, my advice to all of you reading this article is, do not buy any trackballs unless you are a "mouse freak" like me or have some kind of problem with your wrist. I mean, it is a freaking marble! Also consider that I had bad quality rechargeable Ni-Cd batteries and was forced to change them almost everyday. In fact, I didn't even have the battery compartment cover set in place. I then wished that there were a mouse with a built-in charger of some sort, using which I wouldn't have to change the batteries all the time.

To make a long story short, here I am, with my dream - a cordless-optical-rechargeable mouse. You can't imagine how good I feel right now.

The Package
All right, now let's get back to the review. The box that Logitech MX700 comes in is larger than those of most other mice on the market (the size of the box seems to be directly proportional to the price and functionality of the product).

Inside the package are an MX700 mouse, a Rapid Charge Base Station, a USB to PS2 converter, an AC adapter, 2x 1700mAh AA size Ni-MH batteries, a Quick Start Guide, and a driver CD. (After the first day of using the MX700, I found that the quality of the batteries that came with the mouse was rather bad. I strongly recommend that you replace them with a pair of good Ni-MH batteries.)

The AC adapter provides the power needed to charge the mouse on the base station. One interesting detail is that the power jack connects to the USB plug but not the back of the base station. That eliminates one extra cord on my already messy desktop.

The Rapid Charge Base Station looks rather weird. It doubles as the charger and the signal receiver. When you want to recharge your mouse, all you have to do is place it on the base station, just like you would place a PDA in its cradle. It takes less than two hours to fully recharge the 2 AA Ni-MH batteries inside the mouse. You can recharge the batteries whenever you want to, due to the fact that the Ni-MH batteries do not have a "memory effect". The base station is one of the most wonderful things a cordless mouse can come with. Imagine a cordless phone that cannot be recharged on a base station. What a hassle it would be to take out the batteries and put them into a battery charger! The release of the MX700, I believe, marks the beginning of a new trend in cordless mouse technology that will prevail in the future. There's no way for me to go back to using my non-rechargeable cordless mice anymore.

The Technology
The Fast RF Cordless technology used in the MX700 has been improved by Logitech to match the speed of a USB connection, allowing you to use the mouse within a six foot radius of the receiver. Unlike the older cordless mice which could only transmit signals at a rate of 40hz, equivalent to the speed of a PS2 port, the new Fast RF technology can transmit signals at 140hz, which is actually faster than what the USB port can handle (125hz). You won't miss out on a bit of the optical performance or accuracy because you will not be limited by the speed of the radio signal. Logitech uses a 27Mhz frequency to transmit the signal as opposed to the 900Mhz used in some other cordless devices. This helps avoid signal interference between the mouse and some cordless telephones used by many people.

By now, you should already know about the advantages optical technology has over the traditional mechanical technology. Optical mice do not trap dust, are more precise than the traditional ones, and work well on almost any surface except glass. It is true, however, that there are several downsides to the optical technology used in the first generation of optical mice like the Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer version 1.0. When you move your mouse very quickly the mouse pointer might skip or jump around the screen because the 2500 pictures per second taken by the optical sensor are not enough for the mouse to process moves that exceed a maximum speed of 14 inches per second. In other words, the optical sensor cannot keep up with the speed at which you are moving the mouse, which results in a "loss" of the pointer on the screen. Even though Microsoft has upgraded the optical sensors in its optical mice product line to take 6000 pictures per second, which translates into a maximum speed of 30 to 37 inches per second at 400 dpi, they still are not as good as the MX sensor used by Logitech's MX series mice. The Logitech MX Optical Engine takes an astounding 8000 pictures per second at 800 dpi and is capable of handling mouse movements made at a speed of 40 inches per second. The sensor captures images at the rate of 4.7 megapixels per second, providing users with the greatest degree of accuracy and the smoothest mouse movement ever. You won't have to worry about the "pointer skipping" even in fast paced games like Counter-Strike and Unreal Tournament 2003.

The Mouse
Like other Logitech mice, the MX700 feels solid and "in-one-piece". I personally own a Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical, and its quality is not nearly as good as that of the Logitech mice. When squeezed, the IntelliMouse Optical makes a crackling noise, and when shaken, it seems that the plastic parts are not firmly held together. The MX700 is not too large, just about the right size for most people's hands. When you place your hand on the MX700, it feels like something that has been integrated into the palm of your hand. The scroll wheel does not feel loose like the ones on the Microsoft mice, and it doesn't make a loud scrolling noise either. I got accustomed to the shape of MX700 in a very short amount of time.

There are eight customizable buttons and one scroll wheel which doubles as a clickable button on the MX700. That should certainly make all the "button lovers" happy. The left and right click buttons are installed in a very interesting fashion, which adds a "hype" factor to the mouse. They are actually part of the silver body of the mouse. The buttons do not feel like those on the Apple Pro Mouse, which requires you to press on the whole mouse body to make a click, and they feel like regular mouse buttons. There are three little round buttons between the left and right click buttons. Two of them, located at the two ends of the scroll wheel, comprise the "Cruise Control Scrolling System", which allows you to scroll up and down through a long webpage or document at a constant speed. Logitech designed the cruise control buttons for high speed scrolling and the scroll wheel for line-by-line scrolling. Therefore, they made the default scroll speed for the wheel to be 1 line, which I'm still not very used to. Fortunately, you can customize all the buttons using MouseWare. Fixing the the scrolling problem is easy: just set the scrolling speed to "screen". I believe this is a MouseWare problem, and that it will be resolved in future versions of MouseWare. The third button in the "scroll island" is called the "Quick Switch Program Selector". It helps you switch between different application windows with a touch of a button. However, I found the app switch button to be placed too low, in an area that is darn hard to reach for my index finger. I would rather stick with the "Alt-Tab" app switch method. Just below the app switch button, there is a little LED indicator that shows you the current status of the battery. The LED becomes green and flashes while the mouse is being recharged on the base station. When the battery is fully charged the light stops blinking and turns off after five minutes. The LED turns red and blinks when the battery is low and should be recharged, and, of course, you can recharge it whenever you want. The LED battery indicator is really useful considering that the battery status application that comes with the MouseWare driver doesn't always show the correct information. There are two browse buttons on top of the thumb rest that can help you move backward and forward if you are in a web browser or file explorer. I found these buttons to be well placed and pretty useful for surfing the web.

The latest version of MouseWare (v9.73) available at the Logitech website does not work with the MX700, and I was forced to use version 9.70 included on the driver CD instead.

Although I miss the cool glowing Logitech logo found on the older Optical MouseMan, the new silver brushed metal logo isn't that bad at all. I suppose the people at Logitech took the illuminated logo out to conserve battery life.

Turn the mouse over and you will see the optical LED. Unfortunately, it is still the boring red, but that is fine with me because I couldn't find any optical mice on the market that didn't not have a red LED. I wonder, wouldn't a blue LED look so much cooler? Okay, here we go again. I think I just found another good "dream thought" - blue LED! I guess the designers might have had technical difficulties with using wavelengths of different colors, but I've no doubt that these problems will eventually be resolved as further advances are made in the field of optical technology. Another concern is that the optical LED does not turn off when your computer is shut down. You have to place the mouse on the base station in order to make the light go away. We might have an answer to this problem when we get more information from Logitech.

I have tried using the mouse while playing several fast-paced action games, including Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament 2003 demo, Battlefield 1942, and No One Lives Forever 2 demo. Amazingly, it worked great in all of them. I was unable to detect any skipping even when moving the mouse really quickly in some of the games. The MX700 is quite heavy because there are 2 AA batteries inside of it. This makes it hard to lift it up, and sometimes slows down mouse movement in some of the newer first person shooters. Hardcore gamers might want to choose the corded MX500 or MX300 instead.

Conclusion
Logitech's MX700 is a cordless-optical-rechargeable mouse with all the buttons you've ever wanted. Its ergonomic and comfortable design makes it an enjoyable tool to use. Super fast RF cordless technology and the MX optical engine make this mouse perfect for desktop applications as well as games.

Pros:
# Rapid charge base station

# Ergonomic design

# MX Optical Engine

# Fast RF Cordless technology

# Battery status indicator light

# Lots of buttons

Cons:
# MouseWare needs improvement

# Heavy

# Awkward application switch button placement

# Bad quality stock batteries

- Larry

Update: the scrolling lag is caused by the MouseWare. Until a newer version of MouseWare comes out, you can temporarily use the mouse without the MouseWare or with Microsoft IntelliPoint, which works perfectly with the MX700; the only drawback is that you will not be able to use the app switch button.

Re:Article Text (2)

chegosaurus (98703) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358330)

There's something very odd about this article.

Possibly the author has some obsessive/compulsive mouse fetish combined with a charmingly naive enthusiasm. Possibly it's is a piece of satire just marginally too subtle for my Itchy and Scratchy addled brain to grasp.

Either way, it's a strange thing to find on the /. front page. Still, beats stuff about Lego and/or Lord of the Rings.

Re:Article Text (1)

srslif16 (588208) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358512)

I have, since the spring of 2002, a cordless optical mouse made by Maxxtor, with re-chargable batteries that get charged when I put the mouse into the cradle. The only thing I'm not that happy with is the USB connection it uses, which makes for some problems when installing a new Linux.

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Now.... (1)

ziggy_zero (462010) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358147)

...all they need to do is make a dual optical cordless mouse for us gamers. THEN i'll be really happy.

although...the article mentions that the high-resolution of the sensor on the MX700 results in very little cursor skipping, even in video games. do I even need a dual optical?

I like mice too, but..... (4, Funny)

z_gringo (452163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358149)

From the article:

"the fact that it was cordless and had a built-in optical sensor deeply attracted me. I immediately decided to buy it and that may have been the biggest mistake I had ever made. "

I can relate. Yes, I too understand being deeply attracted, and later realizing it was a huge mistake. My biggest ever mistakes, didn't usually involve mice, but maybe I get out more..

it took me a lot of practice to get used to the trackball. Believe it or not, learning how to use the TrackMan FX is actually harder than learning to drive a car.

You actually have to leave the house to drive a car..

It does sound cool though, and one nice detail which would have been nice to include in the article would have been the price.

Too many client tasks. (0, Redundant)

cca93014 (466820) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358154)

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e4d'

[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Too many client tasks.

/articles.asp, line 122

Sounds like the webserver needs recharging...

Interesting (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358155)

It will be interesting to see this technology integrated into buttplugs

Is this just an advert? (4, Insightful)

tjensor (571163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358156)

I mean, these are not new - we have had one sat on our receptionists desk for ages - months at least. I fail to see anything here that is
a) news.
b) stuff that matters.

Bizzare.

Re:Is this just an advert? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358186)

It's a slashvertisement. Move along to the next story and don't ruin their business bub. Besides, this one is RECHARGEABLE! Those other mice weren't rechargeable. Sure, you could use rechargeable batteries, but that would mean taking the batteries out and charging them. That's just too much work.

Re:Is this just an advert? (2)

fruey (563914) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358205)

I'm with you on that. August this year I contemplated buying one, and decided against it because with the cord it was $15 cheaper. Why would I need wireless anyways? To get so far from the screen that I can't see where it's pointing anymore?

Re:Is this just an advert? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358414)

What are you, some sort of un-American communist? It doesn't matter if what is being sold is useless, just as long as its sold!

Re:Is this just an advert? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358255)

and it's not for nerds either - it's for receptionists...

Slashdot: adverts for receptionists, stuff they might have missed.

Cordless optical mouse (1)

unixfan (571579) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358158)

Well I can understand being happy having a cordless optical mouse. I just got mine back after waiting for three weeks. Logitech almost refused to cover the warranty after 9 months because I use Linux. He claimed that he could not help me unless I installed Windows. Of course it was just plain dead and did not care what O/S it was running under.

If I had not insisted that I knew what I was talking about, the tech was just going to hang up.

What I don't understand is why the world should care about our new mice?

Has slashdot been taken over by aliens? : )

Wha??? (1, Redundant)

Draoi (99421) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358159)

I can't imagine why this merits the front page. Our local chain store [www.lidl.de] was selling these last year, along with the fruit & veg, for 35. I'm not making this up, either.

The link has also been slashdotted which makes the above story even more cryptic. BTW, why does it say;

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers

error '80040e4d'

[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Too many client tasks.

/articles.asp, line 107
... instead of something sensible??? WTF is error '80040e4d' - MicroSoft's special error code for a good reaming from the /. crowd?

Re:Wha??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358222)

it is telling you that the error is with the OLE Database interface/provider in connection with the ODBC driver.
The error number is useful for programs to reference.
The error detailed is from a Microsoft sub system in the Microsoft ODBC Access Drivers and the error is to many client tasks (read connections).
This means that the asp page articles.asp on line 107 has attempted to connect to an access database (read file) which is only designed (by Microsoft own admission) for 9-10 concurent clients.
you can use google to read up on any of the topics mentioned.

Re:Wha??? (2)

Draoi (99421) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358248)

it is telling you that the error is with the OLE Database interface/provider in connection with the ODBC driver. The error number is useful for programs to reference.

Well, yes. It's self-evident. Very useful if you're a web programmer but absolutely useless if you're just some punter who want's to look at the site.

IMHO, it's a sign of a badly-programmed site front-end, hence my comment ....

Lidl sells meeses??!! (1)

tenjah (590104) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358274)

Wow,

Amazing. Here in London The only stuff Lidl sells is cheap and nasty food. Real budget meals.

The only mice i've seen there are running across the floor.

Or mugging the cockroaches.

It;s the same Lidl tho'

OK, so you can mod me down for being off-topic...

Re:Lidl sells meeses??!! (2)

Draoi (99421) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358292)

I'm in Ireland, FWIW. Not only does Lidl sell meeses, but also laptopses, optical keyboardses & dodgi-cams. It's also a popular dumping ground for cheap and nasty Windoze software ...

Every Thursday is 'Hardware day' where they try to flog all manner of weird stuff. People queue outside when an interesting product comes up & when the doors open a feeding frenzy ensues.

(OBGeek: they did a run of DMMs recently for 5 each! Yow!)

Since the site is up and down... (0, Redundant)

leibnizme (264472) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358171)

...Here's the article in its entirety...

Introduction
I guess you may call me a "mouse freak", and I suppose that I am one indeed. With lots of high-tech mice, including the Logitech Cordless MouseMan, TrackMan FX and Microsoft's IntelliMouse Optical, floating around my desktop, I still wasn't satisfied - well, until I got the MX700. My "mouse dream" has been finally fulfilled by Logitech.
You will soon see why.

The story goes back to the year 2000, when I had to choose between two top-of-the-line mice - the then just-released Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer with optical technology and the Logitech Cordless MouseMan. It was a hard decision: optical or cordless. I remember wishing there were a mouse that combined both of these desirable characteristics - that were both optical and cordless. Eventually, I decided to go for Logitech's Cordless MouseMan, preferring to have "cordless freedom" at the expense of optical technology. The Cordless MouseMan remained my trusty mouse for about a year.

However, nothing lasts forever, and one day, while shopping at Best Buy, I unexpectedly came upon the Logitech Cordless TrackMan FX. Even though it was a trackball, the fact that it was cordless and had a built-in optical sensor deeply attracted me. I immediately decided to buy it and that may have been the biggest mistake I had ever made. The AA battery needed to be changed every once in a while, and it took me a lot of practice to get used to the trackball. Believe it or not, learning how to use the TrackMan FX is actually harder than learning to drive a car. So, my advice to all of you reading this article is, do not buy any trackballs unless you are a "mouse freak" like me or have some kind of problem with your wrist. I mean, it is a freaking marble! Also consider that I had bad quality rechargeable Ni-Cd batteries and was forced to change them almost everyday. In fact, I didn't even have the battery compartment cover set in place. I then wished that there were a mouse with a built-in charger of some sort, using which I wouldn't have to change the batteries all the time.

To make a long story short, here I am, with my dream - a cordless-optical-rechargeable mouse. You can't imagine how good I feel right now.

The Package
All right, now let's get back to the review. The box that Logitech MX700 comes in is larger than those of most other mice on the market (the size of the box seems to be directly proportional to the price and functionality of the product).

Inside the package are an MX700 mouse, a Rapid Charge Base Station, a USB to PS2 converter, an AC adapter, 2x 1700mAh AA size Ni-MH batteries, a Quick Start Guide, and a driver CD. (After the first day of using the MX700, I found that the quality of the batteries that came with the mouse was rather bad. I strongly recommend that you replace them with a pair of good Ni-MH batteries.)

The AC adapter provides the power needed to charge the mouse on the base station. One interesting detail is that the power jack connects to the USB plug but not the back of the base station. That eliminates one extra cord on my already messy desktop.

The Rapid Charge Base Station looks rather weird. It doubles as the charger and the signal receiver. When you want to recharge your mouse, all you have to do is place it on the base station, just like you would place a PDA in its cradle. It takes less than two hours to fully recharge the 2 AA Ni-MH batteries inside the mouse. You can recharge the batteries whenever you want to, due to the fact that the Ni-MH batteries do not have a "memory effect". The base station is one of the most wonderful things a cordless mouse can come with. Imagine a cordless phone that cannot be recharged on a base station. What a hassle it would be to take out the batteries and put them into a battery charger! The release of the MX700, I believe, marks the beginning of a new trend in cordless mouse technology that will prevail in the future. There's no way for me to go back to using my non-rechargeable cordless mice anymore.

The Technology
The Fast RF Cordless technology used in the MX700 has been improved by Logitech to match the speed of a USB connection, allowing you to use the mouse within a six foot radius of the receiver. Unlike the older cordless mice which could only transmit signals at a rate of 40hz, equivalent to the speed of a PS2 port, the new Fast RF technology can transmit signals at 140hz, which is actually faster than what the USB port can handle (125hz). You won't miss out on a bit of the optical performance or accuracy because you will not be limited by the speed of the radio signal. Logitech uses a 27Mhz frequency to transmit the signal as opposed to the 900Mhz used in some other cordless devices. This helps avoid signal interference between the mouse and some cordless telephones used by many people.

By now, you should already know about the advantages optical technology has over the traditional mechanical technology. Optical mice do not trap dust, are more precise than the traditional ones, and work well on almost any surface except glass. It is true, however, that there are several downsides to the optical technology used in the first generation of optical mice like the Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer version 1.0. When you move your mouse very quickly the mouse pointer might skip or jump around the screen because the 2500 pictures per second taken by the optical sensor are not enough for the mouse to process moves that exceed a maximum speed of 14 inches per second. In other words, the optical sensor cannot keep up with the speed at which you are moving the mouse, which results in a "loss" of the pointer on the screen. Even though Microsoft has upgraded the optical sensors in its optical mice product line to take 6000 pictures per second, which translates into a maximum speed of 30 to 37 inches per second at 400 dpi, they still are not as good as the MX sensor used by Logitech's MX series mice. The Logitech MX Optical Engine takes an astounding 8000 pictures per second at 800 dpi and is capable of handling mouse movements made at a speed of 40 inches per second. The sensor captures images at the rate of 4.7 megapixels per second, providing users with the greatest degree of accuracy and the smoothest mouse movement ever. You won't have to worry about the "pointer skipping" even in fast paced games like Counter-Strike and Unreal Tournament 2003.

The Mouse
Like other Logitech mice, the MX700 feels solid and "in-one-piece". I personally own a Microsoft IntelliMouse Optical, and its quality is not nearly as good as that of the Logitech mice. When squeezed, the IntelliMouse Optical makes a crackling noise, and when shaken, it seems that the plastic parts are not firmly held together. The MX700 is not too large, just about the right size for most people's hands. When you place your hand on the MX700, it feels like something that has been integrated into the palm of your hand. The scroll wheel does not feel loose like the ones on the Microsoft mice, and it doesn't make a loud scrolling noise either. I got accustomed to the shape of MX700 in a very short amount of time.

There are eight customizable buttons and one scroll wheel which doubles as a clickable button on the MX700. That should certainly make all the "button lovers" happy. The left and right click buttons are installed in a very interesting fashion, which adds a "hype" factor to the mouse. They are actually part of the silver body of the mouse. The buttons do not feel like those on the Apple Pro Mouse, which requires you to press on the whole mouse body to make a click, and they feel like regular mouse buttons. There are three little round buttons between the left and right click buttons. Two of them, located at the two ends of the scroll wheel, comprise the "Cruise Control Scrolling System", which allows you to scroll up and down through a long webpage or document at a constant speed. Logitech designed the cruise control buttons for high speed scrolling and the scroll wheel for line-by-line scrolling. Therefore, they made the default scroll speed for the wheel to be 1 line, which I'm still not very used to. Fortunately, you can customize all the buttons using MouseWare. Fixing the the scrolling problem is easy: just set the scrolling speed to "screen". I believe this is a MouseWare problem, and that it will be resolved in future versions of MouseWare. The third button in the "scroll island" is called the "Quick Switch Program Selector". It helps you switch between different application windows with a touch of a button. However, I found the app switch button to be placed too low, in an area that is darn hard to reach for my index finger. I would rather stick with the "Alt-Tab" app switch method. Just below the app switch button, there is a little LED indicator that shows you the current status of the battery. The LED becomes green and flashes while the mouse is being recharged on the base station. When the battery is fully charged the light stops blinking and turns off after five minutes. The LED turns red and blinks when the battery is low and should be recharged, and, of course, you can recharge it whenever you want. The LED battery indicator is really useful considering that the battery status application that comes with the MouseWare driver doesn't always show the correct information. There are two browse buttons on top of the thumb rest that can help you move backward and forward if you are in a web browser or file explorer. I found these buttons to be well placed and pretty useful for surfing the web.

The latest version of MouseWare (v9.73) available at the Logitech website does not work with the MX700, and I was forced to use version 9.70 included on the driver CD instead.

Although I miss the cool glowing Logitech logo found on the older Optical MouseMan, the new silver brushed metal logo isn't that bad at all. I suppose the people at Logitech took the illuminated logo out to conserve battery life.

Turn the mouse over and you will see the optical LED. Unfortunately, it is still the boring red, but that is fine with me because I couldn't find any optical mice on the market that didn't not have a red LED. I wonder, wouldn't a blue LED look so much cooler? Okay, here we go again. I think I just found another good "dream thought" - blue LED! I guess the designers might have had technical difficulties with using wavelengths of different colors, but I've no doubt that these problems will eventually be resolved as further advances are made in the field of optical technology. Another concern is that the optical LED does not turn off when your computer is shut down. You have to place the mouse on the base station in order to make the light go away. We might have an answer to this problem when we get more information from Logitech.

I have tried using the mouse while playing several fast-paced action games, including Counter-Strike, Unreal Tournament 2003 demo, Battlefield 1942, and No One Lives Forever 2 demo. Amazingly, it worked great in all of them. I was unable to detect any skipping even when moving the mouse really quickly in some of the games. The MX700 is quite heavy because there are 2 AA batteries inside of it. This makes it hard to lift it up, and sometimes slows down mouse movement in some of the newer first person shooters. Hardcore gamers might want to choose the corded MX500 or MX300 instead.

Conclusion
Logitech's MX700 is a cordless-optical-rechargeable mouse with all the buttons you've ever wanted. Its ergonomic and comfortable design makes it an enjoyable tool to use. Super fast RF cordless technology and the MX optical engine make this mouse perfect for desktop applications as well as games.

Pros:

Rapid charge base station

Ergonomic design

MX Optical Engine

Fast RF Cordless technology

Battery status indicator light

Lots of buttons

Cons:

MouseWare needs improvement

Heavy

Awkward application switch button placement

Bad quality stock batteries

- Larry

Update: the scrolling lag is caused by the MouseWare. Until a newer version of MouseWare comes out, you can temporarily use the mouse without the MouseWare or with Microsoft IntelliPoint, which works perfectly with the MX700; the only drawback is that you will not be able to use the app switch button.

Re:Since the site is up and down... (1)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358199)

I guess you may call me a "mouse freak", and I suppose that I am one indeed. With lots of high-tech mice, including the Logitech Cordless MouseMan, TrackMan FX and Microsoft's IntelliMouse Optical, floating around my desktop, I still wasn't satisfied - well, until I got the MX700. My "mouse dream" has been finally fulfilled by Logitech.

Maybe someone could help me find my dream mouse. Actually, my dream trackball. Does anyone know of a good trackball WITHOUT that god damn wheel thing on it? I'm talking a good old fashioned optical trackball with three buttons like the old Logitech Marbles. Mine is still working fine for now but the buttons are starting to crack and if I lose it I'll be screwed. I tried playing Counter-strike wtih a mouse but I just can't get the feel for it. That middle button has become as necessary as breathing since I have it bound to backwards movement and the scroll wheel just doesn't cut it since it's too small and I miss it. I have large hands so I want a nice large trackball. The ones with the large ball seem to be interesting but again, they all come with wheels.

BTW: Anyone want a stupid Microsoft Explorer mouse? $60 and it sits on the side of my desk unused and unhooked up. I kept it too long to return it within 30 days so I'm stuck with the piece of junk.

Why not make the mousepad charge it by induction? (1)

override11 (516715) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358178)

I have a slick panasonic razor that gets charged right through the plastic by induction. (this link isnt the one I have, but I believe this charges the same)
Panasonic Catalog [panasonic.com]BR Then you could use your mouse anywhere, and just by using it on the mousepad or by leaving it on your desk when you leave, it would recharge. Why isnt this type of recharging technology used in more applications??

Is this really news? (1)

arestivo (459117) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358188)

I guess the interesting part of the article must have been cut out by the web server or something.

The little text I can see talks about a optical-wireless-rechargeable mouse I can purchase in a local store [vobis.pt] near my house for at least half an year.

Or is this little country called Portugal more advanced than the US when it comes to mice?

By the way here goes the only link [addison-technology.com] I've found about this mouse.

Re:Is this really news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358233)

lol you wish... portugal.. pffft

What do I call it? (2)

Kasmiur (464127) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358194)

When Optical mice came out me and my friends referd to them as female mice. ...no ball(s)

With cordless mice we called them Neutered Mice. ...tail was cut off..

Now we have neutered female mice ya gotta recharge thier batteries before ya can play with them. We do not have anything to call them.

Anyone have a susgestion?

Re:What do I call it? (1)

Stephen Williams (23750) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358298)

With cordless mice we called them Neutered Mice. ...tail was cut off..

Aren't cordless mice called "hamsters"?

-Stephen

I often don't like rechargable batteries (2)

Jerky McNaughty (1391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358195)

When it comes to a mouse, I want something that I can get attached to and keep for a very long time. Unfortunately, mouse manufacturers are a lot like cordless phone manufacturers: models are constantly discontinued and new ones come out. I have two Logitech TrackMan Marble FX trackballs, one at home and one at work, that I love.

Unfortunately, Logitech stopped making them a while ago and, while they do have trackballs still, I don't like any of them as much as my current one. I'd be afraid that one day my rechargable battery would stop holding a good charge and, due to engineering idiocy on the part of the manufacturer, they would not allow you to replace the battery (in the hopes of getting you to buy another one).

A lot of products use non-replacable rechargable batteries. If this mouse uses them, I'd probably not buy one. Of course, since I can't read the article, I don't know if the article even addresses this point. If Logitech does allow replacement, then good for them (and us!).

Slashdot... 1st Oct news (2)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358196)

Intel has released 486DX2 processor....

Get it?.... Such devices are common, I have owned one for a year. A processor is understandable... but I guess free advert for mice is a bit off the head.

Reminds me of slashdot omellete... I certainly dont like mice in my omelette

Cordless Optical Rechargable GYRO mouse! (3, Interesting)

MartyJG (41978) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358200)

If you want to go one better, try this, a gyro mouse (Gyration UltraPro [gyration.com]). You control the mouse in the air. Not only do you get rid of the cable, you get rid of the desk as well! I've used the non-optical version, and it's very intuitive - it automatically switches back to desk-mode when you put it down again. It's ideal for armchair or presentation use. It's just the price tag that may let it down a bit.

Chained cordless mouse (2, Funny)

cpt.haddock (611070) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358202)

I welded a chain to my cordless mouse, so I can find it back between the mess on my desk. I was wondering whether Logitech or Microsoft would want to pay me royalties for this invention.

WTF (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358203)

I must add my name to those asking "Who the hell cares?"

I hope that is not the Maxell... (2, Informative)

pvera (250260) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358238)

...that sells for about $30-$35 on CompUSA. I got one and it is a piece of crap (DOA, Mickey Mouse buttons, terrible cradle design...). The wife later bought herself a MS wireless optical blue which was a lot better (read: did not die after 2 days) than the Maxell. Later she got a MS Office keyboard bundle at Costco (it was so cheap that the mouse was literally free) that came with a MS Wireless optical Explorer, which is what I use now. Great mouse and it does not eat up batteries.

crappy writing (1)

X_Caffeine (451624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358239)

We've all read stories with cliches. Long, repeated phrases that you've heard a thousand times, and communicate nothing? Needlessly wordy paragraphs, commas, poorly chosen adverbs, excessive verbiage? I guess you could say that this article is crappily written. I suppose you could say that this gentleman needs an editor. Eventually, I will get to the point and say that this guy needs to get acquainted with the "cut" function of his word processor. Believe it or not, entire classes currently exist on how not to write like this!

gag

crappy editing by /. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358585)

...what's even worse is that /. editors think this somehow merits our interest.

Slashdot This (1)

Nuthatch (34721) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358241)

From the Logitech Website [logitech.com]



The Logitech MX700 just raised the bar of expectation on precision and control. With its powerful MX optical engine, the MX700 instantly responds to even your fastest movements. The rechargeable Fast RF cordless technology gives the responsiveness of a corded connection, but without the cord. Our two Cruise Control buttons provide continuous scrolling through long documents or websites. And the rapid charge base station acts as a receiver and a charger in one. You made the demand so we built the device.

  • MX Optical Engine delivers more accuracy and control on more surfaces than ever before
  • Fast RF cordless technology delivers corded quality on a cordless device in a six foot range, even on crowded desks.
  • Rapid charge base station ensures that your mouse is always ready.
  • Cruise Control scrolling system provides more efficient scrolling through long documents or web sites, and two thumb buttons let you quickly move forward or back between pages on the Internet.
  • Quick Switch Program Selector lets you switch between active programs and documents easily.

This is your dream? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358244)

Your dream is

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e4d'

[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Too many client tasks. /articles.asp, line 137 ??

Jeeez. Get a life!!!

Site is down (2)

PD (9577) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358276)

You can't imagine how good I feel now.

I know what you mean:

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e4d'

[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Too many client tasks.

Okaaaaay ... (2, Insightful)

the bluebrain (443451) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358288)


From the article:
Okay, here we go again. I think I just found another good "dream thought" - blue LED!

This is either quite brilliantly subtle satire, or the most pathetic article I have ever seen linked from /.

... ah, well :) to each his own.

But, is it worth it? (2)

Gruneun (261463) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358293)

I like the optical mice. I like the idea of cordless devices, especially rechargeable ones. However, I'm the first to admit that my Palm m505 is dead a couple times a month because I forget to charge it. I'm willing to live with that because its default location is my wallet, not my desk.

Frankly, I'm going to get sick of that occurring with a computer mouse, whose immediate and successful operation is considered [bold]absolutely necessary[/bold] when compared to my PDA. The blame for a dead battery is immaterial.

The trade-off for a cordless device that never strays more than 6" from its primary location is one I rank as extremely unappealing.

easily pleased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358329)

Some people are _so_ easily pleased

I won't be happy until I have a cordless optical mouse that drives itself back to the charger when it's not in use, that reads SmartMedia/CF/Microdrive/SD/MMC/MemoryStick, identifies me by my palmprints, tazers anyone else, works with linux, picks up radio, plays mp3, etc etc

iFeel Mouse (1)

hyeh (89792) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358381)

Now if only Logitech would release the Cordless Dual Optical iFeel Mouse...

Leftie-friendly mouse? (1)

6Yankee (597075) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358384)

Yaaaawwwnn..... Seen that before. Never seen a left-handed one though! (And non-handed doesn't count - they're even worse than right-handed ones...) Anyone know where I can get a left-handed cordless optical mouse?

On a side-note, best mouse I ever had was a Logic3 pen mouse. That thing rocked. I could sit with my feet on the desk, arms folded, doing CAD by scribbling on my shoulder. Funny thing is, I used that in my right hand.

MS Wireless Intellimouse Explorer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358527)

I'll just stick with this one as it's the best there is IMO.

I hate wireless! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358556)

I use trackballs. My all-time favourite is the Logitech Marble+ optical thumb-trackball - much more precise movement than I can achieve with a mouse (very light ball, very little inertia compared to a mouse), no mouse lift/replace hassles when moving large distances, etc. Gives me an edge in games over mouse users too - while they move with perceptible jerks every once in a while due to lift/replace, I smoothly glide around them.

Recently, I tried to purchase a spare one, just in case. I have NO INTEREST AT ALL in a wireless model! I don't want to have to change batteries or recharge it, and it's a TRACKBALL, you don't move it bodily across a surface, so the wire is irrelevant, not restricting movement, unless you want to site far away from the computer - which I don't want to do.

But it's now next to impossible to get anything other than the wireless Logitech Marble variant. Arrgh!

I'm A Mouse Whore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358568)

I saw the MX700 and liked the design, but really wanted a corded mouse (I still don't trust cordless devices for games, and I don't want my mouse movements broadcast over an insecure network).

So I got the MX500 version: same design, but corded. I think Logitech goes though good and bad design cycles: this seems to be a good one. The mouse is solid and feels good. The buttons are a little goofy, but I can live with it.

When I got home and shown the wife, she declared that I'm a mouse whore: I didn't need a new mouse (our machines all have Logitech Mouseman Opticals back from their last design type, and all mice are still working flawlessly).

The only thing I miss is that our other mice all have the cool blue light shining out the Logitech logo. The new mice don't have that.

Michael... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4358572)

...please stop posting crap.

Memorex has made that mouse for over a year (1)

virtualXTC (609488) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358584)

I don't know what the big deal is because I CAN'T READ THE ARTICLE!!! However, my current Optical 5 button wheel USB/PS2 mouse is fully rechargeable and has a docking station and retailed at $25 at CompUSA....

Interference... (1)

MrTotto (538355) | more than 11 years ago | (#4358589)

I have a Logitech cordless desktop optical.

Last year I lived in a dorm, and often when I was out (and my computer was on...), I found lots of text in my windows, and the mouse pointer moving around whenever I got back.

So the receiver apparently switched frequencies and picked up someone elses signals.

This would imply that maybe one or more of my neighbours picked up whenever i wrote, say:

su
<password>

So, does anybody know is Logitech has done anything about this? It can't be that hard to implement some simple encryption or something...

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