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What The Net is Doing to You

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the one-step-closer-to-the-morlocks dept.

News 174

Bart writes "The BBC reports One of the world's first research centres dedicated to studying the social, political and economic effects of the net has opened in Oxford" I've offered to trade CowboyNeal to them as a research subject for a case of beer. I think studying the effects of the internet on him will save lives. See? Someone is thinking of the children.

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174 comments

jokes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366194)

how come the only funny thing taco can say is usually a slam on cowboyneil?

Re:jokes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366200)

Taco is usualyy slamming CowboyNeal anyways, just verbally this time

Re:jokes (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366231)

What? You mean like butt-slamming him with his mighty penis or just bitchslapping him around the geek compound?

the tsarkon phirst poast teh futare (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366201)

The Future of SLASHDOT.
2002. Slashdot publishes 1,000,000th rumor passed off as actual story. The story generates 480 comments, 263 of which agree with the article, and 107 of which point out it's a rumor and are modded down as redundant. The remaining comments are all "first posts." or posts that contain any rational insight are modded "troll."

2002. CmdrTaco married to a human female, reports are that she does not have 46 chromosomes, however. Fent does display tendency to retardation.

2002. Slashdot parent corporation VA Research^W Linux^W Software stock worth 35 cents. Rumors that AOL, Microsoft, or even Jimmy the hobo who lives under the Longfellow Bridge may buy it.

2003. VA Software bought by Microsoft for a cup of coffee and a donut. All Microsoft-critical articles mysteriously disappear from Slashdot. Bill Gates as Borg logo replaced with Bill Gates as God. (Taco suggested that in order to be "God," or his vision of God, Gates would have to be seen in a NAMBLA T-shirt. Luckily good taste prevails in favor of the old man image in glowing aura.)

2004. CmdrTaco loses virginity, well, not sex with men virginity, that's long since gone, and not sex with anime blow up dolls, this time, real sex.

2004. The WIPO Troll returns again, showering Slashdot in 45,000 copies of the same post: "Lick my crotch hairs." Slashdot, despite running on 18 redundant IIS/8.0Beta6 servers, buckles under the load. The term "Slashdotted" is replaced with "WIPO-Trolled."

2004. Slashdot officially shut down. Millions of screaming, unwashed geeks invade Redmond campus and lynch Bill Gates.

2005. Linus Torvalds and Anal Cox found dead along with six penguins, a tub of crisco and several used condoms. FreeBSD users are glad the insanity is dying.

2005. CmdrTaco rumored to have had sex again, even with constant Viagra therapy, it took this long. He complains, I can be ready to go again in five minutes if I was looking at a nude man, to the dyslexic Fent.

2006. CowboiKneel found dead in hotel room with 56 pizza boxes covering his bloated corpse. Three suffocated gay prostitutes are extracted from beneath his body as police remove it with a backhoe.

2007. CmdrTaco actually has sex again, this time plugging Fent in the ass for a more manlike feel.

2007. BSD is still officially "dying." No word on when its demise will take place. FreeBSD 9 is delivered in perfect working order in a coherent superior, commercially viable and useable fashion with real documentation, the same practice followed since inception. Linux lunatics, after the death of Cox, are still trying to perfect the Trident driver while ignoring the existence of the GeForce 9. Netcraft dies along with all the surveys they held on Microsoft and Linux servers are lost as well.

2007. CmdrTaco starts new weblog to replace Slashdot, creatively named Dotslash. Remainder of Linux users flock to the site and immediate WIPO-Troll it out of existence.

2007. Box running FreeBSD for 6 years sets world record for Unix uptime on consumer hardware.

2008. CmdrTaco has sex with his wife for the first time without thinking of men. He has dawned on the extra sexual pick me up for his twisted mind, small children.

A long long fucking time from now. Malda, fat, poverty-stricken, unrespected and unremembered and living in an appliance box in Michigan with a pickle jar for a toilet comes to a series of epiphanies. The 8.3 file system that made him truncate his nick to an 8 letter series of characters has long been forgotten, and he finally realizes he looks like a fag using it. He also realizes that men's asses look like tacos, especially with the beef pouring out and that his name sounds more like Commander of Ass, since one can command asses because the belong potentially to sentient or living things, it is difficult to command inanimate objects such as food , so one can only conclude he was commanding ass.

He also realized his site was a lame, fad, he sold out, he needed to refactor his shit code and never did it. He also realized that communites such as Fark don*t have this complete asshole running it with gay lameness and compression filters and lame IP blocking bullshit and cheating, pissing and whining and barely anyone trolls it.

We hate you, Fucking Robbie;

he remembers as reams of pages of trolls cry for his expulsion. He also realizes he cant have a computer anymore because he hates the RIAA and MPAA but ran out and gave George Lucas and other shit media companies tons of money to ruin the laws in favor of the omnicorps. He also realizes his socialist and fascist fucking moderation system squelched all the real comments out of view. He also realizes that a full time crew "working" at Slashdot did a shittier job than anyone thought possible.

He also realized he didn*t do SHIT for subscribers and punished them as he would anyone else with page limits, IP blocks, compression and lameness filters. He also realizes Signal 11 is a better man than him and that he is a fucking loser for throwing out S11. He realizes despite being an Open Source advocated, his horrible, unusable unreadable pile of shit called Slashcode was one of the worst projects ever. He realized that retarded journalists are better at reporting the news than Slashdot, that Slashdot news was often inaccurate and unverified.

He also realizes that Aprils fools jokes were really stupid and everyone hated them. He realizes bitchslapping, banner ads, ^H and ^W to show deletion and moderation $rtbl are fucking gay and lame. He realizes this all in a flash as the totalitarian regime he was a small part of constructing (through teaching mobocracy, populism as a rule, hordes of untrained and meritless swarms of people allowed to crucify those who would oppose the thinking of the state) determines his body is a waste of government resources and that he needs to be expelled to a concentration area of the worthless. I figures he would have been the first resident in the camp of the beings deemed worthless to society, along with Jon Katz, but the government, even as a fascist totalitarian regime takes a while to getting around to things.

click on slashdot story Jan 1, 2003 ... (2)

peter303 (12292) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366317)

Loaded on user's computer Dec 31, 2003. (You'd think a site devoted to computing would have halfway decent servers.)

Effects of the Net (5, Funny)

deadhammer (576762) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366204)

The Net has great and ponderous effects, such as creating studies to show the great and ponderous effects of the net.

Re:Effects of the Net (2, Informative)

netclift (158504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367444)

If you want some links on the Internet and politics, check out my "e-democracy resources" flyer: http://www.publicus.net/articles/edemresources.htm l [publicus.net]

You can also join DO-WIRE: http://www.e-democracy.org/do [e-democracy.org]

Here are some recent subject lines from the archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/do-wire@tc.umn.edu/ [mail-archive.com]

[DW] Vox Populi, Online and Downtown - NYTimes Article, Steven Clift

[DW] Die Online-Kampagnen der Parteien Event - Berlin - 19 Oct. 2002, Steven Clift

[DW] Correction - Oct 1 - Re: [DW] Die Online-Kampagnen der Parteien, Steven Clift

[DW] E-Gov Conference - Korea - 6-7 Nov 2002, Steven Clift

[DW] [IP] Student Blogs, School Cracks Down (fwd), Steven Clift

[DW] Carnegie Mellon Team Wins $2.1 Million to Build Online Forum forCitizen Deliberation (fwd), Steven Clift

[DW] Online Campaigning 2002: A Primer - Institute for Politics, Democracy and the Internet, Steven Clift

[DW] Publication - Making a case for local e-government (fwd), Steven Clift

[DW] Paris, Warsaw, Vilnius, Lisbon - Clift Speaking Schedule, Future Requests, Steven Clift

[DW] New Public Sphere: Technology and Politics in Sweden 1969-1999 - Lars Ilshammar PhD Dissertation, Steven Clift

[DW] Parliamentary E-Democracy Inquiry, Key Documents - State of Victoria, Australia, Steven Clift

[DW] US Election 2002 - Senate Campaign E-mail Lists - Wellstone at 25,000, Steven Clift

[DW] GILC Alert - China, Vietnam, Egypt, Iran ... and more, Steven Clift

[DW] Recycling Day - Two Items, Steven Clift

[DW] Voting Technology Glitches in Florida Primary, Steven Clift

[DW] MyBallot.net - New service from E-Democracy - details and press release, Steven Clift

[DW] Netactivism-Oriented Conference Calendar, Steven Clift

[DW] UK Political Participation Online Survey Results - From ERSC, Univof Salford, Steven Clift

Interesting, but how much will it proove? (1, Insightful)

tyrani (166937) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366205)

The Internet is a dynamic place. I don't think that a traditional study can accuratly describe the effects that it has on us.

I think that this study will be outdated as soon as it is written.

Re:Interesting, but how much will it proove? (2, Insightful)

Hittite Creosote (535397) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366249)

Dynamic is one thing, but if the internet changed fundamentally every six months, the average person wouldn't be able to understand it enough to use it. If you look at things in general sweeping terms, the change is not happening so rapidly that it is impossible to comment on them. Even if it was, if can't know where you are going, you could at least know where you've been.

Re:Interesting, but how much will it proove? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366275)

if the internet changed fundamentally every six months, the average person wouldn't be able to understand it enough to use it.
The average person doesn't understand the Internet enough to actually use it! Hell, most people have trouble with the difference between "Preview" and "Subm

Re:Interesting, but how much will it proove? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366928)

I dissagree.
I think the web is simple enough for idiots these days. I think it has had a measurable affect on the world that can be documented. Such a study would be looking at the socio economic affects of the web. Not weather or not you feel superior enough to say "you're too stupid to use this."

Re:Interesting, but how much will it proove? (2)

flufffy (192294) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367141)

I don't think that a traditional study can accuratly describe the effects that it has on us.

It's not a study. It's a research centre. It will probably produce studies.

Great (-1, Offtopic)

archeopterix (594938) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366206)

More stupid articles beginning with 'scientists discovered...'. More CowboyNeal jokes. Great.

Re:Great (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366246)

No, but, you see, the scientists haven't discovered anything yet, so it's okay.

I never troll (-1, Offtopic)

Theodore Logan (139352) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366208)

but here goes: shouldn't this be a Katz story?

Not verbose enough to be a Katz story. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366234)

Trust me, if Katz was the writer he would have gone on and on and on and probably mentioned his Commodore64-hacking buddy in Afghanistan. He probably would have plugged his Hellmouth articles too.

Re:Not verbose enough to be a Katz story. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366247)

Katz would eventually conclude that Junis invented the internet.

Re:Not verbose enough to be a Katz story. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366271)

i thought that was al gore [slashdot.org] ?

Re:Not verbose enough to be a Katz story. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366374)

Has there ever been a more redundant series of articles than that Hellmouth shite?

To sum them up : "I am a fuckwit - hope there are more like me."J Katz

Re:I never troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366239)

you beat me to the punch. read further down.

Re:I never troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366263)

No, it shouldn't. The world can do without another Jon Katz article, don't encourage him.

Research on the geek creature should be next.... (1, Funny)

acehole (174372) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366209)

Perhaps science could explain why direct sunlight and fresh air kills us so quickly?

Re:Research on the geek creature should be next... (1, Funny)

Theodore Logan (139352) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366242)

Sunlight and fresh air is good for you! I can't believe you didn't know that. Christ, some people...

Now, with that out of the way, let's discuss what it may be about eating other things than pizza that causes all these heart problems.

This is silly (0, Troll)

chainrust (610064) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366211)

It is silly to waste my hard-earned money on a research center when many internet researchers have already done research without a center.

well... (5, Funny)

chegosaurus (98703) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366212)

It broadens the mind by introducing you to subgenres of pr0n that you never knew existed.

Re:well... (1)

hitzroth (60178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366264)

Broadens the mind by introducing you to subgenres of damn near anything, if you look hard enough. Also, it helps teach you good research technique... so you can ignore those skills when you post to Slashdot. ;-)

Normalization of Sexual 'Deviancy' (5, Insightful)

Bonker (243350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366557)

It broadens the mind by introducing you to subgenres of pr0n that you never knew existed.

While the above post was joking, the idea is true. The internet has done more to make sexuality and sexual practices that were 'deviant' before the mid 1990's into more normal every day things.

In some respects this is very good. People who were otherwise unable to express themselves now have an outlet. People can find partners and build relationships that they would never have had a chance to in the past.

In some respects this is very bad. People who are truly sick-- those who sexually molest children to get their jollies-- are lulled into a sense of normalcy by the apparent 'commonness' of their illness.

Re:Normalization of Sexual 'Deviancy' (5, Funny)

PygmyTrojan (605138) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366644)

Ahhh yes, thanks internet, for letting me now that it's okay to take a crap in my girlfriend's mouth.

A conspiracy of perverts committing perversions (2)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367128)

I'm sorry but I never want people who dress up in fur suits to have sex to become accepted by society. After all, part of their fun is to be outsiders and I don't need to see a guy dressed as Barney with an erection sticking out.

It is not 'deviancy' - it is 'perversion' (1, Interesting)

jensend (71114) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367505)

I firmly believe that promiscuity and homosexuality both constitute being 'truly sick'. You can talk all you want about how urges were 'repressed' and people need to 'express themselves,' but (contrary to popular opinion) psychology does NOT vindicate things like this in the least, and it is NOT psychologically healthy to do so. Pornography, promiscuity, and homosexuality really are like illegal drugs- you tamper with the way your body is ordered in an attempt to produce more pleasure and get all sorts of negative effects. If the Net is providing an 'outlet' for this kind of thing, that would be one of its worst effects, not one of its positive ones.

Modern society is learning the hard way that you can't encourage perversion and expect people to act morally. When we all grasp this basic truth, the world will be a lot better off.

I'm bound to be flamed to death for this. Sometimes the truth is difficult, unpopular, and publicly termed 'intolerant.' It needs to be told nonetheless.

Re:well... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366773)

Yes If it weren't for the internet I would have never known about Christmas Island and goat catchers.

Whoa... (1)

Modern Hamlet (311094) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366214)

Eli Noam, Professor of Economics and Finance at the University of Columbia, said... "We must save the internet from its founding myth that it is good for democracy and is open and cannot be regulated." I don't even have anything to say to this... besides, I'm sure the rest of you will. peace, tom

Re:Whoa... (2, Insightful)

jodo (209027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366228)

"We must save the internet from its founding myth that it is good for democracy and is open and cannot be regulated."
Yes. There it is. They know better than you what you should be done with the net.

Future Father ???? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366225)


So you're thinking about having children?

Taco is really starting to settle down isn't he.

Re:Future Father ???? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366243)

The real question is: will he let his kids read Slashdot at -1?

Lots of people are thinking of the children... (1, Offtopic)

Colin Smith (2679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366226)

[thinkofthechildren.co.uk]
www.thinkofthechildren.co.uk


Sure, it's off topic, but I have karma to burn.

Re:Lots of people are thinking of the children... (1, Offtopic)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366244)

Yup, don't we adore the people [gatesfoundation.org] thinking about the children? :-)

Re:Lots of people are thinking of the children... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366259)

Sounds like something Jocelyn Elders would babble about.

Re:Lots of people are thinking of the children... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366812)

She sure does have a purdy mouth.

Political Debate Indeed (2, Interesting)

passthecrackpipe (598773) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366227)

Heh. There is a photo of some shirtless, tatooed protester swinging a punch to a policeman, with as caption:"The net could help improve political debate". Anybody else thinks the BBC has a strange idea of political debate? Besides, how is the net going to improve political debate, or at least raise it above the level depicted in that photo? Soon, we'll all be wetware-wired into the net, and then, instead of beating you with a stick, the cops i'll just fry your brains instead. It's called progress.

Re:Political Debate Indeed (3, Funny)

October_30th (531777) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366260)

Swinging a punch to a policeman or a politician is a common form of political debate in the UK. You see, the politicians will punch you back [bbc.co.uk] .

I think the idea is... (1)

netphilter (549954) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366278)

that more people have a voice. The Internet has given the "common man" direct access to politicians and information about political topics. If citizens are more informed and can take a greater role in political decisions, there are likely to be less instances of protests and riots. It will improve the political debate by giving citizens a more "civilized" method of accessing politicians. Not that it will necessarily eliminate the days of the protest and riot, but it should help to make more informed and connected citizens.

Re:I think the idea is... (3, Insightful)

OrangeSpyderMan (589635) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366309)

The Internet has given the "common man" direct access to politicians and information about political topics.

Pardon? Direct access? You mean being able to send an email to your local MP/governor/député? People have always been able to do this with snail mail. By "information about political topics" i guess you mean the stuff that newspapers and TV news have been reporting for years. Direct access to information is hearing it from the horses mouth, not reading it on Yahoo news.

I regret to say that the common man has no more direct access than, say, 20 years ago, especially the common man that doesn't have internet. All that has happened is the "lazy man" has found a way to send his opinions and read other people's without getting out of his house. I don't necessarily think of this as a good thing since the opinions of a great deal of people that cannot be pestered to go to the trouble of expressing them outside of their own homes are often, sadly, not worth listening to.

The change in political activism will, I think, be felt essentially by the broadening of the divide between people who read about things on the web and mouth off on Slashdot and those who, because they can't (no internet) or won't (having real beliefs) do this, get out and try and change things.

Got a mirror? (2)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367150)

"All that has happened is the "lazy man" has found a way to send his opinions and read other people's without getting out of his house."

Sort of like posting to Slashdot?

Re:Got a mirror? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4367330)

Did you read the rest of his post or just stop once you thought of something to say?

Direct access (1)

superflippy (442879) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367363)

Actually, the internet has given politicians the ability to communicate directly with the world, not just their constituents, via their web sites and email. Not that they couldn't send out newsletters before, but email newsletters are more cost-effective.

Case in point: Back when I lived in NC, I signed up to be on my Senator's [senate.gov] email mailing list. Even though I've moved to another state, I still get the messages, which include info like when he'll be appearing on various news shows and what cities in NC he'll be visiting that week.

I think it's the ability to get out timely information like that where the internet beats out traditional media. Newspapers and snail mail are more expensive and slower, TV and radio are here-and-gone so if you didn't write that information down, too bad. The internet is uniquely fast and long-lasting.

Re:Political Debate Indeed (1)

Observer (91365) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366693)

Anybody else thinks the BBC has a strange idea of political debate?
Well, the corporation is supposed to providea balanced coverage of different points of view, which many people probably would find a strange idea in the context of political debate.

But juxtaposing "could help improve political debate" with a picture of a demonstrator attacking a policeman sounds more like the customary addition of irony, whether it improves the story or not. I sometimes wonder whether budding journalists or presenters at the Beeb have to take some sort of entrance examination to demonstrate they can do this.

Re:Political Debate Indeed (2)

hey! (33014) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366823)

here is a photo of some shirtless, tatooed protester swinging a punch to a policeman, with as caption:"The net could help improve political debate"

Ummm, so it's OK if he puts his shirt back on?

Re:Political Debate Indeed (1)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366960)

BBC News online has a fine tradition of banal or inappropriate picture 'bylines'. NTK [ntk.net] has chronicled many, such as: 0 [bbc.co.uk] , 1 [bbc.co.uk] , 2 [bbc.co.uk] .

English debate (2)

Hoi Polloi (522990) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367115)

Seems like they mixed up their images, that was actually from the Manchester United finals.

Katz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366230)

Hmm, why does this smell like a Katz story. You know the kind where instant messaging has a deep and profound impact on all of civilization and that we must study it and talk about our "feelings" towards it.

Social Engineering (4, Insightful)

gerf (532474) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366251)

Is what this article sounds like. As if they want to be able to control the entire world's perception of the internet, and how they use it. This won't work of course, as business, personal beliefs, economics, and social concerns are the main driving factors in the electronic world. not some lame researcher in a cube telling everyone in his livejournal that they should think about everything in a different way

Re:Social Engineering (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366266)

Leftists like to sit around in cubicles and think about how other people should think:-)

Re:Social Engineering (2, Funny)

October_30th (531777) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366281)

In contrast, the rightwingers like to go out and make people think their way.

Re:Social Engineering (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366282)

...whereas rightists like to break people's doors down and tell them what to think.

Re:Social Engineering (1)

chanceH (197827) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367517)

Acutally I think the net is convincing many people that the left right classification system is a false dichotomy.

Its now control vs freedom, but both sides are still confused about who is on their side.

E.g. 'black shirt'-anti-globalization anarchists and net-libertarian anarchists haven't figured out how to join up yet too well. And Pat Robertson and NOW really have to hold their nose when they join up to try to deny people their porn.

Surely this kind of study is redundant? (3, Interesting)

ites (600337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366254)

Surely the impact of the Net is totally obvious.
The Net lowers the cost of communication.
This lets people create much larger and more efficient network.
Activities that depend on such networks (research, digital theft, collaborative research, free software development, certain kinds of commerce) have and will continue to boom.
Activities that depend on the high cost of communications (old media, encyclopedia salesmen, and other information cartels) have and will continue to decline.
This seems to be stating the obvious... what else will a study turn up? That we are evolving resistance to RSI?

Me and the Net (5, Funny)

X!0mbarg (470366) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366273)

Well, I got so see more Pr0n than I ever imagined. Saw stuff that made me want to wash my eyes with liquid drano. Downloaded a Lot of useless crap. Became addicted to Online Comics. Made a handful of new friends. Got myself an e-mail account through a friend in Oslo. Learned that there are a Lot of ways to cheat...

Search engines are my friends!

So much data. So little HD space...

Cliff Stoll had some comments on this... (3, Informative)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366283)

...regarding the effects of the internet on social life and people.

Check out the realvideo (yeah sorry) technetcast presentation here [ddj.com] . It's refreshing, to the point and funny. And oh so typically Cliff Stoll-ian. :)

Re:Cliff Stoll had some comments on this... (2)

hey! (33014) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366894)

Cliff's a wise man.

He also has the mannerisms of a hyperactive squirrel.

Re:Cliff Stoll had some comments on this... (2)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367120)

He also has the mannerisms of a hyperactive squirrel.

a hyperactive squirrel on the virge on overdosing on caffeine you mean. But yes, Cliff is wise. He's also handy. Check out his Klein bottles [kleinbottle.com]

Far from showing any concrete value (2, Insightful)

Delrin (98403) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366284)

Sure, there's this organization that is DEDICATED to studying The Net and the "profound" social changes it has engendered.. right, so where's the ground breaking results? The article is highly speculative, and contains little of value, I think someone just got caught by the catchy title without any core value..

My 2gilders

d

Re:Far from showing any concrete value (1)

Hittite Creosote (535397) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366316)

right, so where's the ground breaking results

Shock horror! An Institute holding it's LAUNCH CONFERENCE [oxfordevent.com] hasn't produced any results you've heard of yet...

I mean, give them a break, they haven't finished taking the plastic wrapping off their office chairs and you're demanding results already!

Re:Far from showing any concrete value (1)

Delrin (98403) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366590)

Hehe, well you might be right, but maybe they should have held back with the article raising lots of questions, and not feeding us with any answers.

Am I the only one... (2, Funny)

Green Light (32766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366291)

Am I the only one that first read this as "What the dot-Net is doing to you"?

Re:Am I the only one... (1)

Delrin (98403) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366294)

hehe, I have to admit that I was a victim of that freudian slip as well. :)

Eli Noam (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366301)

But he warned against simply accepting that the net was a force for good all by itself and needed no guidance by policy makers to shape its effects.

This is why I hate these social-engineering dweebs. It can never be enough that something is just there and people use it. They think that the common man is too stupid to "understand the ramifications" and that there has to be broad and sweeping "policies" on what to think of it and how to use it.

I'll blame it on leftists, you can blame it on whoever.

Re:Eli Noam (1)

Shuh (13578) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367300)

"no guidance by policy makers"

i.e. -- we need to pay politicians and bureaucrats to tell us what to do in cyberspace... the one place where the 1st Amendment should reign supreme...

Yeah, right! (2, Funny)

Mac Degger (576336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366318)

Who else thinks these guys just want to view pr0n, visit chatrooms and play games all day?

Sounds like a research grant I would think up :)

What the Net Did To Me (5, Funny)

Skirwan (244615) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366322)

Mostly The Net just bored me. Sandra Bullock did the best she could with the script, but the entire thing was exactly the sort of paranoid FUD that makes people think they can get sick by using a computer with a virus.

Now, The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes? Classic!

--
Damn the Emperor!

think of the children (2)

larry bagina (561269) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366343)

I'd rather not think of Cowboy Neal making children...

Why the Brits didnt invent the net (2)

peter303 (12292) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366345)

(Even though a Brit invented it.)
Too much academic naval watching. This stuff already happened five human years ago, or 35 "Internet years" ago. Excerpt from article:

"But academics are starting to find out how important an agent of social change the internet is, the opportunities it presents for researchers and how to frame policy and practice to cope with its associated changes."

Any 15 year old kid could could have told this five years ago. Adults, especially academics, are clueless.

Re:Why the Brits didnt invent the net (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366399)

(Even though a Brit invented it.)

bzzt. wrong. play again. The web is not the net.

Re:Why the Brits didnt invent the net (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366730)

> Any 15 year old kid could could have told this
> five years ago.

15 year old kids will tell you lots of things. The trick is simply this - knowing what nugget of truth lies in the 10,000 other completely irrelevant things they'll tell you about fashion trends and who's going to be with whom like for-ever. :)

> Adults, especially academics, are clueless.

As one of my former teachers would say: "Hey you! Quick! Move out, get a job, and raise a family while you still know everything!"

The Net (1)

suman28 (558822) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366346)

Seeing that the Internet is a great place where people can do research and download p0rn and do many things unimaginable before the advent of it, (excluding SPAM) I can only see good things coming out of this study. For every new idea/technology, there are bound to be good and bad sides to it. -SK

Does this statement make sense? (5, Insightful)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366351)

"How do we learn fast enough so that we are learning faster than the world changes?" asked Mr Graham, "if we are not learning faster than the world changes then we cannot possibly control it."

Does anyone else see a logical flaw in that argument? It's not like knowledge == control. If knowledge was measurable in quantity and quality, then the statement might make sense. But I've yet to see compelling proof that such measurement is practicle or desireable. Since when did we have control over technology? The statement in that context almost implies we have control over "it" and that some how we will loose "control over it."

It seems like they still have a lot of work to do, like defining what "it" is and how to go about measuring "it". Otherwise, it will just be a truck load of political jargons.

Re:Does this statement make sense? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366784)

The statement doesn't make sense, no.

However, knowledge most certainly is control.

Do we have control over technology? I can certainly control my VCR, and I have the ability to stop it from blinking 12:00 if I so choose. (I'm lazy, and rarely do.)

Do we have control over nuclear energy? The average citizen doesn't (Thank goodness!), but I'd argue the fact that nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons, harnessing the power of the atom, demonstrate control.

Who controls the net? Not politicians. Not corporations. Not yet. For the time being, end users still control the net. Why? Knowledge. Look at the RIAA's doomed campaign against file sharing. They can kill Napster, but can they kill Kazaa? If they kill that, can they kill IRC? FTP? HTTP? The cat of knowledge is out of the bag in terms of that battle, and the users have thus won, and are in control.

Re:Re:Does this statement make sense? (1)

f00zbll (526151) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367293)

As you just demonstrated, knowledge == control when it's well defined :)

Do we have control over technology? I can certainly control my VCR, and I have the ability to stop it from blinking 12:00 if I so choose. (I'm lazy, and rarely do.) Do we have control over nuclear energy? The average citizen doesn't (Thank goodness!), but I'd argue the fact that nuclear power plants and nuclear weapons, harnessing the power of the atom, demonstrate control.

But one could play devil's advocate and argue that all things considered, human's do not have control. Someone could play a trick on you and set your VCR to 12:00 when you're not looking. Control at best is temporary. The article also implies control is a state that is maintainable with sufficient knowledge, which it obviously isn't. But that's my opinion, which by no means is true.

Biblical Analogy... (2, Interesting)

Shuh (13578) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367461)

Eve ate apple from the Tree of Knowledge and thus gained god-like insight into the human plight. Or at least, that's the metaphor.

But these bums who obsess on controlling the internet and all knowlege would be like a Bureaucrat, a Politician, and an Entrepreneur who entered the Garden, kicked G-d out and set up Garden of Eden Apples Lmt. They would then eat apple-sauce, apple cider, and apple apples.

Meanwhile GOAL would contract out to the timber industry for sawdust and the slop industry for protein, and use a Red #5 and a factory to produce Consumer Renewable Apple Protien-Supplement for consumption by the general populace.

Ohhh, and somewhere along the way, they would also convince everyone that due to G-d's absence, they in fact were G-d.

Gold Member (2, Funny)

Tibe (444675) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366354)

Foxy Cleopatra: "So, what does this thing do?"
Austin Powers: "Well it's called the internet, and it's completely revolutionized the way we live and access vital information. For example have a look at this...
monkey.mpg [methodshop.com]
Foxy: "Wow... now that's vital information."
Austin: "I know, it's amazing!"

mole.sig

The Net (1)

suman28 (558822) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366357)

The internet has helped me in soooo many ways, I can't thank it enough. Before the internet, I didn't know much about p0rn. Now there is so much more to see, so much to play with.... Thank GOD for the intenet.

Thanks, Eli (5, Informative)

sam_handelman (519767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366365)

"We must save the internet from its founding myth that it is good for democracy and is open and cannot be regulated."

Oh, is *that* why we need to be told what to do? For DEMOCRACY?

Eli Noam [columbia.edu] is an academic who moonlights as a beurecrat. Based on his webpage, he doesn't seem to advocate censorship exactly - he wants to somehow use regulation to encourage people to talk one another when they have diverse social backgrounds. This is a laudable goal, and I'm certainly no anti-government nut - but this is a stupid target for regulation. Like regulation to make people be nice.

He complains about centralization of information. This has NOT been my experience with the web - EXCEPT for academic journals. If he wants regulation to require peer-reviewed academic journals to make their content available for free online; well, that would be great. I'd support that 100%. A journal that wants money shouldn't publish publically funded research.

The fact is - the protocols (TCP/IP, http/html) fascilitate free, open and DIVERSE exchanges of communication. I can't think of any changes I'd make that would encourage people to interact with people of diverse experience. If there were improvements to these fundamental protocols, there would some justification in legislating them (you'd get them no other way), but I don't think his goals are well enough defined, or the effects well enough understood, to even talk about this as an option at this juncture.

His op-ed pieces [columbia.edu] are particularly enlightening if you really care what he thinks.

Re:Thanks, Eli (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4367039)

Depends on how you define Democracy. And you don't need direct government intervention to censor the web, people can do it themselves, usually wihtout realising it. Read Noam Chomsky's Necessary Illusions [zmag.org] and Manufacturing Consent.

CowboyNeal as a research subject? (1)

just some computer j (594460) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366464)

Hmm, A case a beer huh? Might want to ask for two cases of beer.

Only Research Center?? (3, Informative)

redragon (161901) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366470)

They must be on crack. There are many different places looking at these sorts of things:

http://dir.yahoo.com/Social_Science/Science__Tec hn ology__and_Society_Studies/

Seriously...most places that do cultural analysis of science are also looking at the effects of the internet.

Re:Only Research Center?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366741)

Just to bad they exist solely of pompous bitches who can't tell IRC from VI.

Re:Only Research Center?? (2, Informative)

McLuhanesque (176628) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366747)

They must be on crack. There are many different places looking at these sorts of things. Seriously...most places that do cultural analysis of science are also looking at the effects of the internet

Indeed! At the McLuhan Program in Culture and Technology at the University of Toronto, this sort of examination is "standard fare" in our graduate courses, and for our post-grad fellows. In fact, Marshall McLuhan was doing this sort of investigation nearly 40 years ago, in looking at the cultural and societal effects of instantaneous, multi-way communications around the world.

In 1969, for example, executives at IBM thought he was crazy when he explained how there would be networked computers in every home, and how we would be able to buy groceries and other household items online!

Disabled (5, Interesting)

tsa (15680) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366503)

For disabled people that don't leave the house often it's even more of a godsent than for 'normal' people. Finally they have a cheap and vast and versatile tool for getting and sending information!

ObQuestion (3, Funny)

extra88 (1003) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366515)

What kind of beer?

Re:American Beer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4367266)

you know why they serve American Beer cold? So that it is easier to differentiate with piss.

I find it sad that so many things labled as "American" are such crap. American cheese... how can they call it cheese when it is only grease, salt, artificial flavors and maybe some enzymes? And when asked what "American Food" is, many people will begin the list with 'Ballpark Nachos' (see reference of grease called cheese), hotdogs (a bastardized and overprocessed form of an already processed form of entrails and remains from various other countries), bologna (same as hotdogs), white bread (yah, throw some more bleach in my samich please), and PB&J (now THERE is something to be proud of dammit, in fact I think I will go make myself one now).

On the other hand, I have tried some very good beer made in America, but since the term "American Beer" really refers to the that over watered down, corn sugar (and other cost cutting crap) subsitute piss that only vaguely resembles a Pilsner, then it is hard to refer to it as such.

I shiver just thinking about drinking that swill. Budweiser, king of beers for the fat, no life, football fanatic loser who's lack of real life accomplishments or substance is only glossed over by his dependence on others accomplishments and weak attempt to make himself look NOT like a fat lazy pathetic slob.

The net. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4366731)

The net taught me enough shocking things about rocking the casbah, that there would be small challenge in making a sailor blush.

It taught me that humanity itself is plagued with idiots; not just the populace of the United States.

On the plus side, because of the net, I learned what real music sounds like. On the down side, the RIAA is now more determined than ever before to shove crap into my ears, all because of the net.

I think, however, that the most important thing that has happened to me because of the net is this: Because of the internet, I've been able to 'own' camping bitches all the way over in France.

Cheese eating quad-camping surrender monkeys.

It's the economy, stupid (3, Funny)

RealBeanDip (26604) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366860)

The 'net has allowed us to capatilize on our synergy while moving to a B2B model and later B2C. During this time we leveraged our user community and capatilized through eCommerce.

Then we ran out of funding and went broke. But it was a fun couple-a-few years.

Re:It's the economy, stupid (3, Funny)

ianscot (591483) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366922)

If only, if only we could have thought outside the box in order to leverage our core competencies... Moving forward, we'll just have to grow something-or-other.

(I cashed out my synergy when the market on that was high.)

AHH! The wise and powerful net!!!! (1)

schowley (415879) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366880)

To quote the Great and Wonderful OZ.

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

One man's info babble becomes another man's reality?

Just think of what H.G. Wells could have done with the Net!

They got paid for this??? (1)

mustangdavis (583344) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366899)

dedicated to studying the social, political and economic effects of the net


Here are the results:

Social effects: Porn distributions reach an all time high. Minors are exposed to porn as soon as they learn how to type "http://". Divorse is at an all time high because a woman from Ohio can chat with a "rich guy" from Texas while her "hard" working hubby is at work all day (masturbating to the new porn sites he found on his son's computer last night).

Political: People finally realized how much fun the President really gets to have in the oval office - we impeached him (jellousy!!)! People also excahnged a record number of politcal cartoons via email - Al Gore looses election!

Economic: The Internet brought the world economy out of the early 90's depression, created stocks with price earnings ratios of 50x and up, people could trade stocks online - which further drove up the over inflated stocks. Poor people became millionaires overnight - and are now poor again because they spent all their money on a super bowl commercial. Now the economy has collapsed around itself and unemployment is at an all time high (except for the people that are doing this study ... atleast someone is getting paid!)

And who said you need a PhD to document the effects of the net?

Re:They got paid for this??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4367348)

Keeerist! What are you, a hardline Democrat, or some other ideological dweeb? Your perceived cause-effect linkages are about as valid as those of any political lackwit.

[1] The divorce rate has nothing to do with Internet chat.

[2] Trust me... even geeks are not jealous of sex with Monica Lewinsky.

[3] Unemployment at al *all* *time* *high*? Well, I'm guessing you are about 11 years old, so maybe that';s true in the sapn of your tiny life. ;-)

Better than our US "studies" (3, Insightful)

ianscot (591483) | more than 11 years ago | (#4366904)

The story was in the BBC and the Research center's in Oxford, so I guess it shouldn't surprise me that they actually seem to be studying the 'net -- rather than, say, advocating a reactionary response to it.

Our U.S. equivalent, of course, might be Carnegie Mellon University -- from which we got all sorts of The Internet is Soooooo Scary "studies" for a while. (Remember the Time Magazine article back in 1994 or so that claimed 75% of all Web traffic was pRon? That was based on a C-M U paper. The more recent "study" that said people who browsed a lot tended to be depressed and socially isolated? Guess what University published it. Somebody at Carnegie Mellon has a hateful thing going on, seems like.)

It's advocacy over actual information, as far as U.S. pop media's appetite for "studies" goes.

Re:Better than our US "studies" (2)

Tim Fraser (16824) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367436)

Ah, the infamous CMU Rimm Internet Porn study...

For those of us who were lucky enough to miss this experience back in 1995, you may find this link [eff.org] to be educational, and this link [cmu.edu] to be amusing.

- Tim

Wha?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4367029)

From the article: "We no longer need to capitalise the internet like we do God or Truth," he said.

You MORON! We capitalize Internet not because it's some sort of abstract concept, but because it's a proper noun. Many companies have their own internet(work). There is only one Internet (WWW). Schmuck.

You may now commence calling me anal.

A.C.

Communistic Censorship (0, Offtopic)

Petrus (17053) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367249)

There is no surprise that one sees one of the most violent "revolutions", quotes from a communitst and censorsip ideas like those implementet in the mentioned communistic country all grouped together.

I have long observed people with communist thoughts (so called commnists) having taken over the BBC. You can tell by statement like these and by nearly fanatic hatered of christian religion.
(For instance, saying "A.D." in a date is against BBC guidelines and is censored out :-)))

Watch guys! Your Big Friends are out to get you.
Censorship is not coming. It is already here on the BBC!
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