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will it take off? (3, Insightful)

Boone^ (151057) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367950)

3G has been hit the hardest when the economy went south... how will 3G gain a foothold in the land of disposable cell phones?

Re:will it take off? (2)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368208)

3G isnt only phones, its mobile devices. Just think of some people using it. Police, fire departments, stores, warehouses, schools, business (vpn), construction, entertainment, etc..

People are not supporting old 2G technology, the future is 3G, there is no turning back for the phone companies. In fact most are finished rolling out thier base 3G network, only upgrades are next.

Try to buy a 2G phone/modem, not alot of choices are there...

Re:will it take off? (3, Insightful)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368234)

Hmm spend $60/month for spotty access to slow, unreliable data networks? No thanks [wired.com] .

Re:will it take off? (1)

Slordak (572537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368327)

What do you mean people aren't supporting 2G technology? Walk into any cellular phone store today and tell me what technologies the phones they are selling are using. The answer? CDMA, TDMA, and GSM. These are the "2G" digital technologies, and these are what is in use today. Add in a few extras like GPRS and call it "2.5G", but we aren't using 3G phones yet.

As far as there being "not a lot of choices", I disagree. Pretty much every phone you see on a web site that you can purchase today would qualify as a 2G or 2.5G phone product.

With regards to 3G infrastructure support... Not a whole heck of a lot of WCDMA / UMTS infrastructure support in the world, although I hear UMTS is up and running on the Isle of Mann. Service providers are still trying to figure out if users are willing to pay more for higher bandwidth and for new types of services. If people just want to use voice, 3G is a waste of time. But if folks are willing to pay by the byte for (relatively) high speed data access, then the technology may have some payback after several years.

Prepare To Enable Your Echelon Filters (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368283)


Read more about it here:

Welcome To Amerika [salon.com]

Thanks and have a marijuana-inspired week.

Great! (3, Insightful)

SexyKellyOsbourne (606860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367951)

Finally, the beginning of the end for IPV4!

Re:Great! (4, Funny)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367971)

Then we can work on running out of ipV6 space. Each one of my socks can have an ip address! Where's my blue shirt? I'll just ping it!

Re:Great! (3, Informative)

joib (70841) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368013)

I'd say you have to get an awful lots of socks to exhaust the 128-bit address space in IPv6 :)
It works out to something like 5e28 addresses per human being.

Re:Great! (2, Funny)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368141)

Yeah, but Walmart sells socks for $1.00 per pair. At that price it's cheaper for me to buy new ones every week rather than launder them.
so that's 25e27 pairs of socks before I run out, and that doesn't take skivvies into account!

Re:Great! (1)

13013dobbs (113910) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368260)

Considering how many socks are lost each year, we may need more IP space then.

Re:Great! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368025)

Then we can work on running out of ipV6 space. Each one of my socks can have an ip address! Where's my blue shirt? I'll just ping it!

That will only tell you whether your sock has been destroyed. What you need to do is traceroute your sock.

Then, nmap it, and find an exploit to get root@sock. Then install a sniffer to pick up nasty sock smell.

Re:Great! (2, Funny)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368064)

just so long as nobody can install a stroke-logger in my undies

Re:Great! (3, Funny)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368037)

> Where's my blue shirt? I'll just ping it!

ping: cannot ping blueshirt.myhouse.pvt: destination shirt unbleachable

Re:Great! (1)

Mechanik (104328) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368289)

Then we can work on running out of ipV6 space. Each one of my socks can have an ip address! Where's my blue shirt? I'll just ping it!

You won't be able to find your way to it though unless you do traceroute...


Mechanik

Re:Great! (2)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368174)

Finally, the beginning of the end for IPV4!

Nope, Most use NAT'ed Ips.

Awesome! Finally, a 3G phone...wait a second... (5, Funny)

omarKhayyam (544074) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367969)

I live in the US. Crap.

Re:Awesome! Finally, a 3G phone...wait a second... (0, Redundant)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368012)

its ready to work with us networks.. have you heard of WCDMA?

For the real sotry when it was talked about yesterday or day before check out my weblog :

http://www.diaries.com/ShareMe/

Re:Awesome! Finally, a 3G phone...wait a second... (0, Troll)

sirinek (41507) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368153)

WCDMA is the European standard which is almost-but-not-quite 3G. 3G is called CDMA2000.

siri

Re:Awesome! Finally, a 3G phone...wait a second... (2, Informative)

lil (163223) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368233)

Oh my god. You have no clue do you? WCDMA is the 3GPP standard that UMTS uses. It is certainly 3G. Peak bandwidth of 2 megabits/second qualifies.

OH! MA! GA! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368264)

Like, TOTALLY, like, that's like totally clewwwless, like, gag me with a spoon! What kind of a lewwwserrr wouldn't even know what 3GPP standarrrrd UMTS uses! Oh, gawwd, what a total dork!

Re:OH! MA! GA! (1)

lil (163223) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368300)

Please. Just because I said "Oh my god" I'm all of a sudden ditzy? :)

My point is that WCDMA is 3G. Not that he didn't know what standard UMTS is.

Re:Awesome! Finally, a 3G phone...wait a second... (5, Funny)

Cyn (50070) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368074)

It's okay, if you look at
this [nokia.com]
you'll notice you really don't want to be anywhere near this phone. Apparently it's "connect anywhere / to anything" ability has rather a microwave-oven effect on the people beyond the lens of its camera.

Don't sweat it. (4, Funny)

theonomist (442009) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368112)


All the 3G in the world won't change the fact that 99.9% of cell-phone conversations are moronic anyway:

A: Where are you?

B: I'm on th' terlet, huh huh! Where're you?

A: HOLY CRAP I'M ON THE TERLET TOO! What'cha doin', "number one"?

B: Nope, "number two"! Plop, plop!

A: HUH HUH HUH!

B: I'm wipin' my ass now! I'm wipin', I'm wipin'! What'cha doin' now, huh? Huh?

A: I'M WIPIN' TOO!

Brief pause...

A: You still wipin'?

B: Nope, ain't wipin.

A: So, uh, what'cha doin'? Where are ya'?

Later, rinse, repeat...

What we need, for example, is technology that will summarily strangle anybody who actually uses a cell phone. That, I think we'll all agree, will improve quality of life for everybody, just like Jesus meant for technology to do.

Until then, I'll just go on tripping morons who walk down the street yapping into their fists and bumping into each other.

Re:Don't sweat it. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368296)

Maybe when you grow up you will see that there are valid reasons for using a cell phone. Now go back and tell mommy and daddy that you are a bad boy so they can spank you.

what the (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4367973)

fuck? this is totally shitty. i can't post more thaN 2X PER DAY? goddamn fascist motherfuckers. i bet michael, that rancid piece of dogshit, came up with that idea.

Great for RHI nerds... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4367976)

...who carry cameras around their neck and drive big, fat, used sport-utility vehicles back to their shithole house in Pickerington.

Just shoot me. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4367981)

The Nokia 6650 phone is the perfect choice for shooting and sending while on the go.

I believe that given this post-9/11 world, Nokia should come up with a better aphorism for recording video than "shooting". Whoever came up with that should be shot.

Re:Just shoot me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368004)

You don't understand! I meant they should be shot, as in video recorded with a Nokia phone and sent to friends! See how confusing this is?

Uh, moron? That's not what "aphorism" means. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368176)

Idiot.

Re:Just shoot me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368218)

http://users.pandora.be/p0p0/youare.swf

/. is too Europe-centric! (-1, Troll)

govtcheez (524087) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367984)

What does this matter to those of us in the US? I realize Taco's from Holland, but it doesn't mean the whole site has to be devoted to European news!

Who gives a shit? (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 11 years ago | (#4367989)

This phone won't be available in the US, so who the fuck really cares?

the real question (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368003)

which is better - the nokia 6650 or sex with a mare?

Hold your horses (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368008)

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this phone to retail. Nokia has built themselves quite a reputation for vaporware here in Europe. Besides, how is battery time on this one? The latest nokia phones i have seen has had two-thirds or even half the battery time of the competitors.

Re:Hold your horses (4, Informative)

Xerithane (13482) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368047)

Besides, how is battery time on this one? The latest nokia phones i have seen has had two-thirds or even half the battery time of the competitors.

From the website:


  • Talktime: 2 h 20 min (WCDMA), 2 h 40 min (GSM)
  • Standby time: Up to 350 h


My Ericsson T68 with the battery bar at half:
  • Talktime: 3 h 42 min (GSM)
  • Standby time: 133 h

I've never had a Nokia even go close to this phone. I get about 5 hours of talk time on my phone, and I've verified it's battery reporting function too.

I'll stick with Sony Ericsson

Yeah, be one of two people who have one.. (2)

popeydotcom (114724) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368014)

They're going to be soooo expensive.

Reminds me of an old Spitting Image [museum.tv] sketch featuring a puppet of Alexander Graham Bell [virginia.edu] and his mum. Went something like this..

*Phone Rings*
Mum: Hello, '2'. (quoting her phone number)
AGB: (disguising voice) Hello lady, what colour knickers you got on?
Mum: Alexander, I know that's you!

Made me laugh anyway.

CDMA2000 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368022)

For those that posted about living in the US or that 3G's problems are the economy....

CDMA2000 is a 3G standard. Qualcomm sells it, US, Korean and even Japan providers us it.

UMTS is a mess for technical and political reasons.

OFF TOPIC, but you will thank me! (-1, Offtopic)

WarForge (212749) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368024)

Thank God for the Brzilian Women's soccer team [66.197.88.36]

Re:OFF TOPIC, but you will thank me! (0, Offtopic)

Tsali (594389) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368076)

How the h@ll is this insightful?

Re:OFF TOPIC, but you will thank me! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368102)

u r teh gay.

Re:OFF TOPIC, but you will thank me! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368248)

Cause it has hot, nude chicks in it. Are you a fag or something?

Yes indeed I will (0, Offtopic)

maroberts (15852) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368077)

Thank you thank you Thank you

Re:OFF TOPIC, but you will thank me! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368085)

WarForge deserves a frickin' medal for that link.
MOD PARENT UP.

Thank You (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368089)

That was very insightful.

OMG!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368092)

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Just recorded video? (3)

mwalker (66677) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368114)

Will these phones only be able to send video that you've recorded with the phone? Or will you be able to upload images to them? For instance, I'd love to be able to beam nude images of the Brazilian women's soccer team [66.197.88.36] to people from my computer using this phone. I can't seem to find a data sheet which talks about the upload capability.

Re:OFF TOPIC, but you will thank me! (0)

WarForge (212749) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368138)

These phones would come in handy to send these photos to my friends :-))

Nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368293)

If thats the pre-match warmup, I can't wait to see the goal celebrations.

Nokia si teh R0xx0r! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368028)


1. Buy 3G Phone
2. ???
3. Profit!

What the hell happened to Katz? Did Taco finally get a restraining order, or is Jon still "assisting police with their enquiries" ???

Is it available in the US.... ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368033)

Is it available in the US of A? Ah well... I guess I will still us my trusty analog cell phone. /me hates lugging the 2 lb brick base unit around...

What's the point? (4, Interesting)

hamsterboy (218246) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368035)

I'm sure all these 3G gadgets will be cool and all, but what are they good for? What pointful activities can you do with a 3G phone that you can't do with a regular cell phone and a palmtop? Do you need your stock quotes in color while you're riding the train?

I think that 3G's time won't come until PANs become the norm. I'd love to have my cellphone talk to my PDA for its phonebook, and for my PDA to use my cellphone's transmitter to access the web, and for both of them to use my pager-sized solid-state drive for storage. I'm just not sure I need to watch movies on a 1" screen.

-- Hamsterboy

Re:What's the point? (1)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368079)

Might be handy to store digital photos directly on a network connection instead of a dinky memory card

Re:What's the point? (1)

hamsterboy (218246) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368116)

And why would I want my phone to take pictures in the first place?

What ever happened to having a simple tool for a simple job? Want pictures? Get a camera. Want voice communication on the go? Get a cell phone. Want network access? Ah, that's not a simple job - gotta get a laptop or palmtop for that one.

-- Hamster

Re:What's the point? (2)

giminy (94188) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368146)

I completely understand your question, but for some people one unit makes sense. When I wander around right now, I carry with me: A sharp zaurus handheld, a cell phone, and a digital camera. I like to have all this stuff on me at all times. But, it's kind of a lot to walk around with everywhere. Hence a 3G phone might make sense for me. Though I'm probably in the minority in the US right now...

Re:What's the point? (1)

PainKilleR-CE (597083) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368206)

A sharp zaurus handheld, a cell phone, and a digital camera. I like to have all this stuff on me at all times. But, it's kind of a lot to walk around with everywhere.

I can understand that, but how much of it would really be as useful as the existing devices if they were combined? Usually you sacrifice something for combining the devices, even moreso than with things like PC hardware or stereo equipment.

Hence a 3G phone might make sense for me.

3G is just the networking side of things, and doesn't really have anything to do with combining the different types of devices.

Re:What's the point? (1)

james_underscore (468915) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368154)

That 128kbps downlink on the move sounds pretty sweet. But of course there's the extortionate mobile phone charges which could make the whole experience quite painful. The main reason I don't use the WAP features on my phone at the moment is I just can't afford it.

Re:What's the point? (2)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368322)

Whats the Point?

Color, Speed, ease of access.

Phones are just now getting basic functionality that people want. Nobody wants to hold a phone the size of a brick, 2 color black on green display that only gets 9600 baud transfers.

With the new phones you have both IR/BlueTooth, for ease access. High speed (not cable modems or t1s, yet...). Cameras are just an App to show off the color features. You do realize, these are VIDEO PHONES that are out NOW.

3G is coming here, you cant stop it. The world standard is 3G, and people are buying these new phones all around the world. When the USA is fully 3G deployed, those phones that everyone buys in the UK/Japan will be in the US.

BTW, the new PDA/Phone combos are hot. Even crackberry (Umm, Blackberry) is a cool device.

All I want (1)

sys$manager (25156) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368054)

Is a phone that lets me phone people and lets people phone me. I don't want to surf the web, I don't want to take pictures, and I don't want to play games. I just want to phone people. Because it's a phone. That's what you do with it.

I guess that's why I have the most basic digital phone you could get two years ago, an LG 330. It lets you make and receive calls and store numbers, and that's it.

Re:All I want (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368224)

I agree.

I think cell phones is the biggest scam. I am sure the most of the population could get by just fine without one, but people always feel the need to keep up with the Jones'.

And wireless plans are designed to take as much money as possible and deliver as little service as possible.

Too bad it's Nokia... (0, Troll)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368058)

ever cince that piece of trash known as the Nokia 5160,5165 hell the entire 5100 series... I will never EVER buy another nokia phone as long as I live or reccomend anyone to. Ergonomically laid out by a large number of morons, has the "oops the screen is dead" feature that requires a complete hard reset, losing all your stored numbers.. (Out of a fleet of 20 phones, we have 15 of them that do this on a regualr basis! and have been replaced several times!)

nokia.... no thanks... let me know when a company that makes good phones (motorola, Qualicomm) get's one out.

All have their bad ones.(Re:Too bad it's Nokia...) (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368140)

I have a motorola - Startac phone. The reception is incredibly crappy, the original antenna has a tendency to stick out and snap off, and I've actually managed to crash the phone itself in the web-browser.
I wouldn't brand motorola as good. The phones are rugged - mine's taken a lot of abuse - but they tend to be a bit weaker reception-wise, and the battery life on the older ones was horrible (1.5 days, less than 1 day on analogue).

I've heard mixed reviews on the timeports, they may be better, but look into it first.

Re:Too bad it's Nokia... (0)

andrew_0812 (592089) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368187)

Interesting. I didn't know that Nokia had these problems. My wife and I both have a 5165, and it works just fine. I have never had a problem with mine. Excellent coverage, battery life, etc... The only annoying thing is the antenna. Do many people have these problems, or are you in the minority? Just curious.

Re:Too bad it's Nokia... (1)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368390)

I have 20 of them. and as I said the bulk of these phone have this problem. as well as the single send/end/menu button is the stupidest design... I have had many extra-long calls on the phones here because the user though they pressed end but it was currently at menu.

and from what the AT&T wireless techs tell me... this is VERY common as they are cheap phones.

3G standard (1)

FuBaR Technician (84829) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368063)

Wha? Is that how much this things gonna cost?

Video vs. Communication (4, Interesting)

jeffersonebell (248978) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368067)

It's interesting that Nokia is positioning this phone, seemingly, as a "multimedia" phone vs. a communication tool. Their website seems to emphasize "movie making" and picture taking, but not better communication or interactivity with your office. However, I'm wondering who'd actually buy it for those features rather than just take a digital camera with them. I know that I'm a big fan of having a phone that communicates really well and a camera that takes pictures really well, not a convergence device. I'll probably sing a different tune in a couple of years when some magic device takes care of all of my pocket garbage, but until then give me a phone which handles one thing and handles it really, really well.

Re:Video vs. Communication (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368202)

Jut bought a phone capable of GPRS, with reviewers indicating they've had connection speeds of up to 80kbps.

I can browse the net with my laptop via it, although the service here is in its infancy it works reasonably well.

And this isn't a 3G phone.

What they have to do is toss their data rate charges. Nothing will catch on at the rates they want to charge localy. It works out to $30/Megabyte if you exceed your quota. And the quota rates arn't very good either.

If they don't lower the rates nobody will use the data rates for anything except short TEXT emails.

Re:Video vs. Communication (0)

andrew_0812 (592089) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368221)

Oh, you mean the tri-corder. It should be out for beta testing soon.

Re:Video vs. Communication (4, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368396)

However, I'm wondering who'd actually buy it for those features rather than just take a digital camera with them.

Its not buy a camera, its get video features added in at no extra cost. Video camera phone attachments are selling quite well. People like having the option of sending pictures/movies of friends/family. Take a feature upgrade people are buying, make it a standard on the phone. This will reduce the cost and make it normal feature on phones.

Look at how people will buy new cell phones just for the ringtones. Features sell.

Blah! (2)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368068)

Frankly, this is plain old blah. I want my cell phone small and simple and cheap, but capable of interacting with PDAs. Then, if I want all that multi-media crap, I'll use my PDA - which happens to be a much better platform for that functionality.

So - gimme a Bluetooth-enabled Tungsten and a small 3G-device, and I might think about it. For now, I'll stick to my regular GSM that I can upgrade to GPRS if I (want|need) to.

What's with all the cameras? (2, Insightful)

A non moose cow (610391) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368082)

Why does every new device come with a built in camera now?

Is it because people actually want them? Or just because it is now a really cheap feature to throw in so that you don't appear to be technologically behind your competition?

The cheapo cameras that make their way into these gadgets are treated like "hot items" at Christmas... once you show your friends that you have it, you never bother to use it again.

Re:What's with all the cameras? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368256)

because transferring images uses up minutes. or kilobytes, if you're metered that way.

Sad to see that pop(3) is not supported. (1, Funny)

piethein (535102) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368084)

Sad to see that pop3 is not support by this phone :/ This is one of my most wanted features!

Re:Sad to see that pop(3) is not supported. (2, Informative)

pcardoso (132954) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368223)

I fail to see what is so funny about this, but I did't get it.

About pop3, I have a sony ericsson t68i and it has a pop3 email client. I tried to configure it but I have some problems in the wireless data configuration. For some reason it wants use pop3 over wap, when I just want a regular dial-up connection (in operator (vodafone portugal) wap is about 10x as expensive as a regular data call, go figure that)

But it supports email download (full or just the header), smtp sending and lots more I haven't got the time to explore fully.

Plus it is very small, with a reasonable color screen, and the digital camera that plugs in it is ok for 640x480 daylight photos. I can send pictures as MMSs, but these are expensive and more important, I don't know anyone with a MMS capable phone to send them. And as MMS the photos are sent as 140x80 or something like that.

GSM 900/1800/1900, IR, bluetooth, and a a calendar that at first sight is not that much different from my palm m100 calendar.

Great little phone. If only I could get specs and program for it, I would make a Goo clone taking input from the digital camera.

Re:Sad to see that pop(3) is not supported. (2)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368415)

I have IRC running on mine. Now with a color display, maybe I can use BitchX. :)

the first..... (1)

SimianKid (538564) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368086)

The first phone to meet the 3G standard? What about all the phones NTT DoCoMo have been using on their 3G service. Or am I greatly mistaken?

Re:the first..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368302)

NTT DoCoMo's network isn't based on a 3G standard. It was developed by themselves. So it gives lets them put products on the market sooner, but there isn't the interoperability that a standards based phone and air-interface allow.

That said I can't remember if they were even getting true 3G speeds, or just 2.5G speeds on thier network.

Re:the first..... (1)

nelsonal (549144) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368348)

They get better than 2.5G speeds, it might not be 2Mbps, but I have heard its in the several hundred Kbps range.

MHz (1)

genka (148122) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368097)

Phone works on 900 and 1800 MHz, USA uses 1900. Most of you, guys, will see it only on pictures!

Re:MHz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368243)

3G phones work at 2.1GHz. To enable better data transfer on 3G frequencies, the phones use 2G(900/1800MHz) for voice and 3G for data. This frees up codes on the 3G site. More codes means faster data transfer!

It's a pity! (3, Funny)

SonOfSengaya (582624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368098)

camera, sound, ten frames per second, 4096-color display, up to 128 kbps and you can even make a phone call! ...but they forgot the coffee machine!

Nokia 6610 vs. 6650 (1)

piethein (535102) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368106)

Anyone can tell me exactly what the differents are between these two phones ? How much mem ? Features ? If I take a look at the pictures I can see that the 6610 has no camera.. What else is missing ?

Re:Nokia 6610 vs. 6650 (1)

lpret (570480) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368270)

With Nokia, xx10 is the 900,1800 freq. so basically Everywhere else but U.S. xx50 means the U.S. version. I learned this the hard way when I was in the Philippines a few years ago I had the 8210 which has an infrared port -- when I came back to the U.S. I got an 8250, but it didn't have the infrared port. They dumb things down for the U.S. market, and then they jack the prices...Good strategy if you ask me.

Re:Nokia 6610 vs. 6650 (2, Informative)

Ch_Omega (532549) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368381)

"With Nokia, xx10 is the 900,1800 freq. so basically Everywhere else but U.S. xx50 means the U.S. version. I learned this the hard way when I was in the Philippines a few years ago I had the 8210 which has an infrared port -- when I came back to the U.S. I got an 8250, but it didn't have the infrared port. They dumb things down for the U.S. market, and then they jack the prices...Good strategy if you ask me."

You are correct that xx50 used to mean that it was an US verison, but only on earlier phones that had the xx10 designation in Europe. This way of defining versions of different Nokia models, cannot be transfered to the phones with x650 modelnumbers(7650, 3650, etc), or any of Nokias triband phones. The 3650 [nokia.com] , is f.eks. a triband GSM phone targeted towards both the European and Asian markets, as well as the US one. 6610 [nokia.com] does also have triband, and nothing should prevent it from being used/sold in the US, as oposed to the older dualband-phones(900MHz/1800MHz) such as the 8210 and 5110, where they needed to make an own version for the US 1900MHz networks

The x650 model designation, simply means that it uses the Series 60, symbian-based OS, and have imaging(vga camera) capabillities.

Re:Nokia 6610 vs. 6650 (1)

Ch_Omega (532549) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368286)

In short, 6610 is a 2.5G phone, which uses Nokias Series 40 OS, has no camera, and is GSM TRIBAND. 6650 is a 3G [nokia.com] phone, which uses Nokias Series 60(Based on SymbianOS 6.1), has a built in camera, more memory, and has wideband connectivity.

Nokia has extensive information on all their phones at their website, links below.
6610: http://www.nokia.com/phones/6610/specifications.ht ml [nokia.com]
6650: http://www.nokia.com/phones/6650/specifications.ht ml [nokia.com]

Stories vs. Product Placement (0, Troll)

haa...jesus christ (576980) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368107)

Maybe I'm totally misreading this, but can we please stop it with the damn product placement? It seems that Slashdot has had a lot of these 'stories' up lately, be it an actual money-maker for OSDN or otherwise (most likely the case, since I don't think the editors even read half the stories). Not so much meant as a bitch, but more a cocern for whatever passes for journalistic standards around here.

Re:Stories vs. Product Placement (1)

haa...jesus christ (576980) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368131)

Of course, if I had any journalistic standards I would have written "concern" instead of "cocern." God bless America, we're all screwed.

Can I pay off my phone with p0rn? (3, Funny)

ngoy (551435) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368120)

Everything invented now seems to be for the sake of p0rn or entertainment. Just think, these phone probably could be setup to send pics directly to webserver. And you thought you didn't have enough upskirt photos already. You could probably remote control these from a computer and set them up all over the place and take pictures every minute or so.

Seriously though, there are two sides to this. You could be being watched at any point in time and not know it (well, we are right now but I mean up close), or this could be the start of a turning point in moving more countries in the world towards democracy. When you can't hide what you are doing to your people you tend to be a little more scared of doing something bad. What are they going to do, ban cell phones?

Shango

Nokia are trying very hard but WCDMA is doomed (2, Informative)

ites (600337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368128)

Nokia have (here in Belgium) a very good reputation.
IMHO they deserve it. Good phones, well designed.
But Europe's mobile phone market is very sick.
The operators paid heavily for near-useless licences.
They cannot get WCDMA to work (first pilot in Finland was cancelled).
They cannot change to CDMA2000 (against their license terms).
They cannot sell or trade their licenses.
Basically, Europe's telecom regulators have screwed it and lost their world lead with GSM.
For Nokia, this is very serious: Europe is their main market.
Look at Japan: CDMA2000 got 2m subscribers, WCDMA got 150,000. In the same time period.
Qualcomm is looking like a very interesting company. They will find themselves in a monopoly position.
Not because they have twisted anyone's arms. Simply because their technology is better.

128kbps for a data link ... (3, Insightful)

Macka (9388) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368137)

... if it were at the right price enough would be fast enough for most laptop users to have as their dedicated connection to the internet.

Unfortunately, I'll bet it won't be cheap at all. I have GPRS on my phone, and bluetooth connect from my PowerBook when I'm mobile. But I have to use it sparingly because my phone service provider charges by the MB, and it can get very expensive.

If 3G can be charged by the minute, or even better at a fixed rate like Cable and ADSL, then it stands a chance at being widely used and accepted. If not, then they will just price themselves out of a market.

Re:128kbps for a data link ... (0)

kmac06 (608921) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368157)

Right now verizon has unlimited data access on some of their 3G phones for $99/month (+talking minutes)

It only averages about 60kbps though...

For more information, just walk into a RadioShack

Re:128kbps for a data link ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368242)

My local company offered a deal for 6 months. $50/month unlimited. (AT&T/Rogers)

once the 6 months is up I'll be canceling it unless they come out with a half decent deal. $30/Megabyte is WAY too expensive.

I think they people working out the pricing are insane. I bet usage at this rates of GPRS never exceeds 10%.

3g branding absurd. (1)

zoftie (195518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368200)

3G promises 2Mb/s , this phone does 128kbps. as in this article, this is a hoax, this is 2.5G phone. Once 2Mb/s is here, then put 3G sticker on it.

Register reports on dubious branding uptaken by wireless providers:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/27250.html [theregister.co.uk]

Not exactly Super... (1)

tkny (260036) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368220)

it doesn't even support 1900Mhz GSM.... when will the quad-band model come out, eh?

Who's planning on WCDMA? (1)

Jobe_br (27348) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368276)

OK, maybe I haven't been paying attention, but as far as I know, Verizon is using CDMA2000 (1xRTT, right?) and Sprint PCS is using CDMA2000 (I'm sure about that one), AT&T has a TDMA network (and some small bit of a GSM network) - so who's planning on deploying WCDMA? I've heard bad reports on wCDMA in Europe & Japan, compared to CDMA2000, so what's the scoop here? GSM compatibility is nice, but the Sony Ericcson phones seem pretty suave to me (T68i, anyone?)

Am I missing something here?

Re:Who's planning on WCDMA? (1)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368328)

To my knowledge, 3G networks in USA are about 50% CDMA2000, 50% WCDMA. Rest of the world is about 95% WCDMA.

Re:Who's planning on WCDMA? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368391)

Yeah here in the US CDMA2000 (1x) is most popular because CDMA is the most popular network type with a 3G migration (TDMA doesn't have a successor standard). So Sprint and Verizon are deploying CDMA2000.

ATT has a TDMA network and they are deploying a GSM and GPRS (2.5G) network (that's what mlife is). ATT will probably go to UMTS eventually since that is the migration path from GSM/GPRS, but I haven't heard anything about that. So most of Europe and wherever GSM is used will probably migrate to UMTS.

Also CMDA 1x was meant to be 3G, but in practice it only gives 2.5G speeds. When CDMA 1xEVDV networks get deployed that will give true 3G speeds for a CDMA network.

does this mean... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368277)

does this mean I can troll slashdot from my cellphone now? SWEET! :-)

Why wasn't this news a week ago? -5, Troll ? (0, Troll)

E_elven (600520) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368336)

Bah. I guess /. has some guidelines that only old news gets published?

Video? (1)

khuber (5664) | more than 11 years ago | (#4368368)

It has a 128x60 pixel display. Video must rock on that.

3G doesn't seem useful on a tiny cell display like that. Browse the web? The most text you could fit is 32 columns by 7 rows or so. My Palm Vx is 160x160 and I don't like reading text on that. This is even smaller.

-Kevin

Yep, Nokia is always first... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4368417)

...even though others announced waaay earlier.

like this one [gsmbox.com]

And this one does 384 kbps.
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