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No-Solder Modchip For The Xbox

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the play-as-you-please dept.

Hardware 266

toothfish writes "There's a review of the latest generation of Xbox modchip over at xbox hacker- no solder, flashable BIOS, 15 min. install, etc. Stuff like this should make it easier for the average Xbox user to run emulators, Linux, and such. No word if it does or does not work in the latest iteration of Xbox though. Anyone from australia order one of these guys yet?"

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266 comments

GOT IT!!! (-1, Offtopic)

that_goatse_guy (611306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372491)

Yes!!

I apologize (-1, Offtopic)

that_goatse_guy (611306) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372495)

for not mentioning 'fp' anywhere in my previous post. In my own defense; I figured it was implied. :)

Re:I apologize (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372498)

u suck
www.goatse.cx

Re:I apologize (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372501)

www.goatse.com? wots that?

People in trouble (1)

forged (206127) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372503)

Scene Credits goto:

bunnie, for his work on the Xbox Project with his MIT paper
visor, for his work on the LPC Bus
numbnut, for his great work on milksop, cheaplpc and filtror.

I can picture all these think, "oh shit, what sort of trouble am I in now...."

Re:People in trouble (-1)

cyborg_monkey (150790) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372552)

Shut up.

I would bet... (0)

Mikelikus (212556) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372504)

...it won't work. Anyway I think it won't be long until there is one modchip that actually works with xbox. It can't be THAT different as if it was surely there would be compatibility problems.

Re:I would bet... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372508)

[obviously I was referring to the NEW xbox]

Re:I would bet... (1)

zapfie (560589) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372603)

Sure it could be different.. Example.. if you tell two programmers to write a piece of code that takes in X and does Y, you could get two very different pieces of code that end up doing the exact same thing. However, a hack that worked on one might not easily work on the other.

Why not get a real PC? (4, Insightful)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372509)

For $200 [walmart.com] you can get a PC with Linux pre-installed: 800MHz, CD-ROM, 10G disk, 128M. If you want to run Xbox games, get an Xbox, but for everything else, a real PC is probably cheaper and better.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (3, Insightful)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372517)

Because "we are ripping off Micro$haft!!!! LOLOL!!!"

The hilarious part about all that is that the XBox is now in profitability, and Microsoft isn't taking a cut anymore.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (4, Informative)

Troed (102527) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372533)

The Xbox is absolutely not profitable, where have you gotten such a lie from?


(Microsoft doesn't have control over the costs in the Xbox in the same way as Sony has on the PS2 or Nintendo on the Gamecube. Intel and NVidia, together with Philips/Thomson and Seagate/Quantum has their words in this too .. )

Re:Why not get a real PC? (5, Insightful)

arbitrary nickname (325162) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372585)

The XBox will turn out to be very profitable, in the much longer term, when MS deploy future DRM systems based upon lessons learned from it

The XBox is being used as an experiment in locking-down PCs. It's like a honeynet for hardware hackers - people *will* try to hack it - either to pirate games, play MP3s, or run Linux. MS will learn from each hack, to build a more secure system, before releasing a system that really matters... in future generations of Windows and PC hardware

Re:Why not get a real PC? (4, Funny)

Lonesmurf (88531) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372667)

Jesus, I never thought of that.

Mod this up! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372670)

no text!

DING DING DING DING! (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372677)

You win! Give this man a prize!

You're right...the X-Box IS an experiment. It is Microsoft's first tentative step towards a completely-locked-down totally Microsoft-controlled PC. The success of the X-Box guarantees this will happen.

Forget about Compaq et al--Microsoft wants to own the hardware, as well as the software. Keep an eye out for it. The second they slap a keyboard, and mouse on the X-Box, the Microsoft PC will be born (and Windows will "suddenly" only work with the Microsoft-certified hardware). It will be completely DRM from the ground up (the X-box already IS).

Folks, supporting the X-Box only brings us closer to the inevitable "darker ages" of home computing (we're already deep inside the dark ages right now, in my opinion).

Re:Why not get a real PC? (4, Insightful)

Nogami_Saeko (466595) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372702)

The assumption here of course is that there will be something so irresistable in future generations of Windows and PC hardware that will force people to upgrade even though all their rights are taken away.

Time will prove they are wrong. As soon as my right to do whatever I want with my own hardware declines, I'll stop buying new hardware (until it can be hacked to recover those rights).

Re:Why not get a real PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372714)


Hmmm... time to find out who's that Anonymous donor? [sourceforge.net]

Re:Why not get a real PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372733)

By that logic, each succession of Windows will progressively become more and more secure. So far, it doesn't seem like it.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372787)

Yeah, just like software/hardware manufacturers have learned from the fact that every previous attempt at stopping the copying of software, and cloning of hardware, and production of unlicenced hardware for consoles.

Any day now and they`ll stop it all.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372826)

Whoaaaa... that's the most logical and scariest possibility of all the things I've read regarding the Xbox. It makes perfect sense too - they let the hackers figure out how to bypass things, then they use that info to lock them down tighter. Once they get an "unbreakable" box, then they can put together their own PC hardware, flood the market with them at ridiculously cheap prices (subsidised by their software monopoly), and take a large portion of the hardware market!

Hopefully, though, hackers will be ingenious enough to continue to break any DRM crap that MS throws at them.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372753)

Hey asshole, nobody here cares about your support of the Palestinians. Take your political rhetoric elsewhere.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372801)

"Hey asshole, nobody here cares about your support of the Palestinians . Take your political rhetoric elsewhere. "

Yeah, and you 9/11 whining too.

Back Israeli murder of civilians. Have moral high ground from which to condemn terrorists. Pick one.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372820)

I don't care what message it is, be it pro-Israel, pro-Palestinian, or whatever. If it has nothing to do with "news for nerds" it has no business being part of a Slashdot post.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (2, Insightful)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372576)

You are right: Microsoft shouldn't be losing money on it, since the WalMart PC already offers better specs for the same amount of money. Even if they were losing money on it, there is little point in giving Microsoft good marketing numbers. Given their cash reserves, they could easily give the Xbox away to millions of people if it didn't erode trust in the platform--what they want is actual purchases.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (4, Funny)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372661)

they want us to think that they are losing money on it so that we buy it to "undermine their economic situation".

It's proof yet of ANOTHER honey-pot for hackers!

Re:Why not get a real PC? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372611)

Because that $200 Wal-mart computer basically HAS NO VIDEO CARD (only integrated POS shared memory video).

Xbox got nVidia...

You suck.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (2, Insightful)

pomac (159163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372628)

Xbox is avail in europe, Walmart isn't.

The Xbox as WebTV replacement. (5, Interesting)

jerryasher (151512) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372630)

I'd really like to find an easy to use set top box.

My mother is basically wheel chair bound, and has visual problems. She watches a lot of TV, and has never used a computer.

She has a WebTV and can surf the web, but her WebTV will not let her watch more than 128K of movies. And I don't believe any WebTV model will. That makes those movies of my kids that much harder to distribute to her.

So I'd like to find a set-top box internet access solution for her. I haven't done a lot of looking, but it seems that the Xbox running Linux with a cordless USB keyboard may be a winning solution.

She could surf the web to see the kids, download and play their movies, print their photographs out, and all from a machine designed to work well with TVs. And when her other grandchildren come over, well they can do the first person shooter thing.

So I have high hopes for this Xbox project. I believe it can really offer a social good to a class of people that don't have a good internet solution.

Then again, if you know of other, better, also inexpensive set top box internet solutions, do let me know.

Re:The Xbox as WebTV replacement. (1, Flamebait)

darrad (216734) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372853)

I can remember the days when you had to use a TV for a PC, ie Commodore, Adam, etc... and all I wanted was to get a monitor. Now, all people want to do is run their PC on their TV.

I wish you would make up my mind.

Seriously, what is the purpose of modding and Xbox, other than to prove it can be done. Seems to me that all of this talent could be better put to use developing a viable alternative to MS. Sorry folks, Linux ain't it. Not enough programs, support is non-existant for the average (l)user. Don't get me wrong, I like Linux, and use it for my servers, but as a desktop or workstation it just does not cut it. Along with the things listed above, there is just not enough software out there for Linux to allow me to be productive, and that's the key. How many of the die-hard linux people on this site are dual booting so they can play the latest game on the PC?

What is needed is something so far ahead of what we have now that it can overcome the lack of software long enough to get a hold on the market. Linux still looks like Windows. I am thinking something like a VR style OS, like the really cool one in Johnny Pnuemonic....

Ok, mod me down to -1 flamebait, I'm spent.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372720)


It doesn't have a GeForce graphics system, or a controller, or a DVD. Also, I'd bet that an XBOX stays in one piece alot longer than that.

Try again.

Maybe I would... (2)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372768)

Show me where I can order a Walmart PC in the Netherlands...

Re:Maybe I would... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372962)

You cannot walk into a Wal-mart in America either, you have to order off the website. Cannot you do the same? I assume they will ship to your door.

Re:Why not get a real PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372776)

Xbox is a real PC. Its just that it is underpowered and sucks.

yay! 8th post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372522)

8th post... not bad for being awake at 4am while working on an proof of correctness for a binary search algorithm

The real question (3, Funny)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372523)

Mod the Xbox? Why would you even want to own it to begin with?

I mean, aside from the chance to play jet set radio future of course.

Re:The real question (2)

capt.Hij (318203) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372528)

Can you really own an X-Box. I just assumed that the fee you pay at the store was to rent it from microsoft. I guess I shouldn't have gotten so excited that I didn't have to pay any monthly fees on it...

Re:The real answer (1)

Ryatt (604246) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372689)

Mod the Xbox? Why would you even want to own it to begin with?
Because Rare was assimilated by Microsoft.

Re:The real answer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372784)

They havent made a good game in years.

Real info (4, Informative)

Troed (102527) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372525)

The Xodus is based (completely) on numbnuts Cheapmod-project - available under the GPL. There's an issue whether the guys behind Xodus need to release all their specs and circuit-info due to this.

The Xodus thus uses a 256kb LPC flashrom. The flashrom in the Xbox is 1024kb. Lucky for us the Xbox BIOS is 4 copies of the same thing, so it actually works - HOWEVER - the devbios is 512kb and one of the Linux-bioses is also larger than 256kb and thus doesn't work in the Xodus.

The new Xbox seems to have (at least) the encryption key changed for the BIOS. Thus whether the Xodus will work on the V2 Xboxes has nothing to do with the mod, but with the BIOS you load it with. Other flashable mods (like the BioXX) will work or not work on the V2 Xbox just as well/bad as the Xodus.

It's a no-solder mod - it seems to work even if you shake your box around - but sorry, I'd trust my own soldering job any day instead (and I want to use a BIOS that supports on-target debugging, i.e, larger than 256kb)

Re:Real info (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372569)

well if you look at the pdf documentation/instructions it'll say that they acknowledge that it is based on CheapLCP and that they will release that information on their site.

"In accordance with Mr. Green and with GPL we will be publishing the designs of the programmer on our site."

When they actually will remains to be seen, but they don't seem likely to skip that issue.

Inappropriate/Offtopic Political Propaganda (0, Offtopic)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372688)

I hate to be offtpic (hence, not using my +1 bonus) but I have a big problem with people modding up a post with political propaganda, even if it's just in their sig.

Not only does the comment have absolutely nothing to do with "news for nerds" or "stuff that matters", it is simply inappropriate to use a popular technology site to advertise political rhetoric.

I respect the poster's informative post, but his use of Slashdot as a platform for his political views has no business being modded +5.

Re:Inappropriate/Offtopic Political Propaganda (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372741)

Whatever, asshole-who-modded-parent-down. Why don't you use your mod points to do something worthwhile, like modding down political propaganda. It has no business here, period.

Re:Real info (0)

liposuction (176349) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372854)

Your post has some good info. Now, if only your sig, and the link therein, wasn't populated with lies.

Microsoft is fighting a losing battle... (5, Interesting)

Ma$$acre (537893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372527)

In order to maintain falsely inflated software revenue from their XBox titles, they are forced to combat hacking on their hardware. Strangely enough, Sony pretty much does the same thing with regard to their software.

Even though it has been possible for some time to steal and burn PS games, I don't see many folks going out and renting a bunch of games to pirate. And I think Sony has seen the movement for what it is, a way to hack together a cheap Linux box. Microsoft, with their HDTV output is a natch for the community at large. Of course, they aren't Sony and have their OS revenue to protect as well. Thus the difference.

Now, how long before we see the Cube Linux Pack with special Nintendo Keyboard and Mouse?

Re:Microsoft is fighting a losing battle... (1)

Ligur (453963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372822)

The reason why you won't see people rent games and pirate them is because it's easier and cheaper to just download and burn them.

Modchip doesn't work (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372531)

Drew over at this web site [lycos.co.uk] installed the modchip and claims it doesn't work with the new generation of XBoxen. I wonder if he installed it correctly and if his argument holds water.

Bravo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372537)

Ya got me!

Re:Modchip doesn't work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372546)

from the pictures on there, it looks like he didn't install it correctly

Seriously though... (4, Interesting)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372532)

I mean, what's the draw of hacking the Xbox? I understand the desire to port Linux, whatever to exotic hardware like the PS2, Dreamcast, game boy advance, etc... But the Xbox is just a PC with some lockout hardware. And on top of that the system is just ugly and the games are boring (at least what I've seen advertised... totally derivative crap, mostly). Hardly even worth pirating, IMO.

Aside from Jet set radio future, are there any cool, innovative games for the Xbox? I do own one, it would be nice to have some fun with it, now that I've completed JSRF

Re:Seriously though... (1, Redundant)

arbitrary nickname (325162) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372573)

Because maybe the XBox is a testbed for Microsoft's future plans to completely lock down PCs (Palladium and beyond)?

Re:Seriously though... (1)

MWelchUK (585458) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372647)

Because it is cheep and easily available hardware in a small (ok, not that attractive, but smallish) case which can be plugged into a TV.

The number of people who have TV's well out-weighs the people with monitors (or feel they have room for one).

Picture this, a small box next to the TV that can be used for playing music, DVD's and surfing the web (mp3's and DivX's if you wish). Oh, and it doesn't look blatently like a PC!

Personly I would prefer a PS2 anyday, I have issues with sending much money to microsoft - but given the architecture of the X-box it may seem like an interesting challenge to some.

I am however concerned with the issue of giving MS the chance of creating solid DRM.

I think I'll stick to PC's and Slim-line cases where appropriate for now!

heheheh.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372693)

And here is where someone will spout off about how Halo is the "best thing evar" and the reason why you should have an XBox.

Don't believe the hype: Halo is a MOTS shooter played with a stupid hand controller. Been there, played it, was completely unimpressed.

If you want a real laugh go to an electronics store and watch the kiddies playing Halo "multiplayer". Nothing says "eye strain" and "pathetic" quite like seeing a television divided into quadrants (to simulate multiplayer). Combat evolved? Give me a break...this is a step backwards.

(A friend of mine worked on Microsoft's "Xbox tour". A year ago, they had an unofficial nick-name for the X-box-- "Save your receipt").

Re:Seriously though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372728)

Aside from Jet set radio future, are there any cool, innovative games for the Xbox? I do own one, it would be nice to have some fun with it, now that I've completed JSRF

HALO! The only reason I bought an XBox was to play that game. I got it, beat it, and I'm satisifed. Dead or Alive 3 is fun to play with other people, though it's a bore by itself after a while (like most fighting games). Beyond that I got Max Payne as had never gotten it for the PC, so I beat that, it was fun and the controls were... interesting compared to a keyboard/mouse combo. Those are the only three games I own, though, and it may soon be time to head off to eBay.

Re:Seriously though... (0)

xamel (567605) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372731)

I hate the Xbox, but Panzer Dragoon Orta looks wicked :D

Re:Seriously though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372748)

Why do you post the same comment twice? Tsk tsk.

Re:Seriously though... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372771)

Well, you could always get a Dreamcast and play the original. It was a good bit better, IMHO. Not to knock JSRF, of course. Control (heh...) is actually a bit better in the Xbox version, since the analog sticks are bit easier to control, and you don't have to do the silly graffiti moves. However, aside from Butterfly and Nakamura's remixes of the original JSR tracks, I *greatly* prefer the soundtrack to JSR as opposed to JSRF.

Bear in mind, I'm referring to the US version of JSR, "Jet Grind Radio". Or, in Japan, "de la Jet Set Radio", since that's the version that lets you travel outside Tokyo-to.

Use it as a door stop next to Dreamcast. (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372982)

nt

Xbox - Multimedia station (5, Interesting)

Dexter77 (442723) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372536)

Xbox with a modchip is very interesting concept. Since you can do almost anything with it. With 120G harddisk installed you can have :

* Portable Divx player with ~150 movies
* MP3 Player with ~2000 'CD quality' albums
* Up to 60 Xbox games on the disk
* NES and SNES emulator with every game ever published
* N64 and MAME Emulator with hundreds or even over thousand games
* Audio CD/VCD/SVCD player
* etc

Can you find any other console/mediabox/anything with these features under 400$ that you can just plug in to TV or amplifier?

Yes I can (4, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372582)

Sure I can. Get this [walmart.com] a XPert98 with tv out for like 40 bucks on ebay, saving yourself almost 200 dollars in the process. Plus you are actually SUPPORTING the adoption of Linux since your purchase counts as a Linux purchase.

Re:Yes I can (1)

wwwssabbsdotcom (604349) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372690)

Did they say there was anything put in place in this new LINDOWS which would prevent anyone from loading a Windows operating system if they wanted to? looks like a cheap way for someone to buy a PC and load windows on it just to have a basic PC...linux or not.

Note the word "Portable" in his comment (3, Insightful)

Andy Dodd (701) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372782)

In 90% of the cases of Xbox hacking, I'd agree with you.

But if you want a semi-portable system, (Semi because the Xbox is a pretty big console, but it's still FAR smaller than a minitower) Xbox is the way to go.

The best comparison to the Xbox in this arena would be one of the Shuttle small formfactor PCs - But the barebones system w/o CPU or video card runs more than an Xbox.

XBox = Just as portable as any NORMAL PC. (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 11 years ago | (#4373001)

Duh ! And a normal PC is CHEAPER too. Why bother? Just stick a tv out capable card and you're set.

Re:Xbox - Multimedia station (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372610)

Try a HTPC!

http://www.amptron.com/html/HTPC.html

Re:Xbox - Multimedia station (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372620)

PORTABLE?

You think an Xbox is portable???

Now I've heard everything.

Re:Xbox - Multimedia station (1)

Dexter77 (442723) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372781)

Portable when compared to a desktop computer. You can plug it in to any television and watch movies. I don't think we can get any more portable movie player with modern technology.

Re:Xbox - Multimedia station (2)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372624)

* Portable Divx player with ~150 movies
* MP3 Player with ~2000 'CD quality' albums


Uhh... stop right there. 150 DivX movies is already running you 100-105GB. 150 Albums tops, and you've maxed out your storage.

Re:Xbox - Multimedia station (1)

Skyfire (43587) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372691)

I think he meant 1 of those at once, not all at the same time.

Re:Xbox - Multimedia station (2)

mpe (36238) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372724)

Xbox with a modchip is very interesting concept. Since you can do almost anything with it. With 120G harddisk installed you can have :
* Portable Divx player with ~150 movies


Or any other way of ~225 hours of video.

Re:Xbox - Multimedia station (2)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372955)

* Portable Divx player with ~150 movies

Not sure about your movies, but I thought they were about 5-10M each. Oh wait.. your not taking about 'nature' films, are you?

Pirating rules! (-1)

xdfgf (460453) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372539)

See Subject

This is the "Maxtrix" chip right? (2, Interesting)

Smid (446509) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372550)

I've been trying to track down info on this recently, but Lik-Sang has been down for days now...

Lik-Sang bought over the open-Xbox project, I think a month or so ago, and trying to work out if this is a renaming of it...

But effectively a no-solder flasher of the bios, right? Delivered with an unflashed chip, plus a flash programmer...

Strikes me is the weakness is getting the flashed bios's off the net.

Lots of information seems to be lacking for me at the moment.

1) Is this compatible with this new Xbox revision

2) Will we be able to switch it off (I want my Xbox to be unmodded really, just modded occasionally to do some things), otherwise future original MS games with barf modded Xbox's, and Xbox live...
3) What will the flashes cover? Dvd regioning? (My biggest concern). Booting unsigned discs? (Linux on Xbox) Playing import games? (this is what its been quoted for) Playing backups? (Not too bothered about that one really).

Well, this is just a set of questions. Be nice to know the answers...

Re:This is the "Maxtrix" chip right? (4, Informative)

SeanTobin (138474) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372605)

1) Is this compatible with this new Xbox revision
No. Microsoft changed thier board layout along with the bios. There is a slight chance that they kept the block that this unit attaches to, but the alignment method will definately be off. On the plus side though, as the bios is reprogrammable if somehow you managed to attach the thing, you could put in a new bios.

2) Will we be able to switch it off (I want my Xbox to be unmodded really, just modded occasionally to do some things), otherwise future original MS games with barf modded Xbox's, and Xbox live...
Yep. There are 2 dip switches with (you guessed it you binary freaks) 4 modes. First, a programming mode. Second, a on mode. Third, a off mode. And finally, a switchable mode done with some voodoo involving ejecting your cd.

3) What will the flashes cover? Dvd regioning? (My biggest concern). Booting unsigned discs? (Linux on Xbox) Playing import games? (this is what its been quoted for) Playing backups? (Not too bothered about that one really).
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. (of course, its dependant on the particular bios you decide to pop in.)

Re:This is the "Maxtrix" chip right? (1)

Troed (102527) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372621)

The board layout has not changed at all at the place where this mod connects (LPC)

ok (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372553)

who cares

What a waste... (0, Troll)

monkeyheed (612858) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372554)

What a waste of talented people's resources; making linux run on an Xbox is like trying to make a silk stocking out of a sow's arse.

Re:What a waste... (0, Offtopic)

Forkenhoppen (16574) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372606)

I know! Linux is nowhere near that elegant.. ; )

(Just think of the security mechanisms on the X-Box as a challenging chastity belt. Ah, young love..)

it _will_ run windows anyway (5, Insightful)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372571)

Here's a scenario: Once the xboxes have populated the homes, in no time at all Microsoft will start shipping Microsoft XB to run in the device. This will happen especially if they notice that a competing open source OS has already penetrated their territory. This is just what Microsoft needs to overcome legal battles related to doing it (combining hardware and operating system) and selling it to large public and to win monopoly accusations related to doing it.

Re:it _will_ run windows anyway (1)

back_pages (600753) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372609)

It's an interesting concept, but I don't think it will open any legal barriers to putting their OS on the XBox. I'm not even sure that there are legal barriers, a la antitrust convictions or otherwise. At any rate, a third party group making a hobby out of violating the EULA is not going to give MS the legal justification for doing anything that they couldn't already do.

But that's just my humble, non-lawyer opinion.

From the documentation (5, Funny)

CerebusUS (21051) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372580)

When the G spot is reached the LED will flash green immediately, hold firmly and tighten the screw.

ah, you kids. Back in my day we had to find the G spot manually... and we were lucky if we got an audible alert.

Re:From the documentation (5, Funny)

RedX (71326) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372602)

When the G spot is reached the LED will flash green immediately, hold firmly and tighten the screw.

Excellent! I've been trying to justify an XBox or PS2 to my wife for quite awhile now, I'm sure the above info will gain me immediate approval.

Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372592)

!!! Click for the Installation Videos (done by a woman :P ) !!!

Wow, even I can install it then!

15 min?? nope 15 sec!! (1)

paz5 (542669) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372594)

I normaly dont post be cause i feel i have nothing that will be of any use to the masses (and dont like t piss people off) but this is my second post in about as many days.. the reason? yet an other error on the main page. the time is in under 15 sec not under 15 min. I personaly doubt it could be done in 15 sec, maybe with case already off and all, but thats not a very good measure of the tru time. people posting on the main page... use the preview button and reread those pages once :-D other than that keep it up... ok back to silently watching from the shadows...

Re:15 min?? nope 15 sec!! (1)

SScorpio (595836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372626)

I believe the 15 seconds is refering to how long it took to attach the modchip. Previously with solder chips it could take quite a while to correctly make each connection.

Old news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372612)

2-3 weeks ago this was news, now it's old news. Anyone interested in the XBox scene would already know all of this stuff, anyone else wouldn't but wouldn't care.

This keeps happening with XBox scene stuff on Slashdot. Don't get me wrong I'd like to read XBox scene news here, it's just always out dated. I mean where is the far more interesting and scene important news week old news that lik-sang appears to have dissapeared along with most of the other hong kong suppliers of mod-chips. Is it just a coincidence that lik-sang had bought the open-xbox assets and was starting to ship and manufacture them just before they dissapeared?

The other thing that always happens here on Slashdot is that people use threads about the XBox to complain about Microsoft in the rabid way that happens more and more often here.

An interesting fact:

Microsoft makes a loss on it's XBox hardware, so buying an XBox and a mod chip and running non-microsoft liscensed software on it costs Microsoft money. They only make money from selling oficial games that of course they make a cut on, if they developed and published the title or not.

So those of us who choose to buy XBox and modchip combinations for developing at home are infact not supporting the all evil corporation but doing them harm. Of course I've also been buying games for my console 'cause there is some great games out there.

..And these got REJECTED! Hacker underground hits! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372640)

No, RMS, Linux is not GNU/Linux [librenix.com]

"One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?"

LINUX use is growing 30% / year! [vnunet.com]

"Linux use is growing 30 per cent year-on-year and while it hasn't been targeted as much, Linux is going to be targeted. Any application - open source or otherwise - will have weaknesses," he added.

...AND SLASHDOT published astronomy shit on frontpage... not these NEWS!

Let's mod the XBox! (4, Funny)

cookd (72933) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372649)

You don't need a chip at all!

-1 Flamebait (Microsoft just knew we would all bite!)
+1 Interesting (modding xbox is fun to do, fun to do, fun to do!)
-1 Redundant (already got the PS2, why get an XBox?)

Hey, moderators! Mod the XBox!

Re:Let's mod the XBox! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372654)

Oh dude I can see your Karma points getting killed already!! Eventually you'll get -1 Troll, I guess.

Why are we wasting time on Hacking into the X (5, Insightful)

haplo21112 (184264) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372684)

What we really should be doing is figuring out how to use my existing PC to Play Xbox games...that woul be a much more interesting hack...

Re:Why are we wasting time on Hacking into the X (2, Insightful)

janda (572221) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372746)

They go hand-in-hand. It's a lot easier to hack the xbox first, so you can figure out how the encryption/lockout stuff works. Then, you write a driver, hack, or whatever in software/hardware as needed for the general PC population.

Re:Why are we wasting time on Hacking into the X (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372938)

http://www.caustik.com/cxbx/news.htm

not more xbox stuff... pleeeeeease (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372708)

now come on. i can understand the ossasional xbox news item but if I wanted this much irrelevant xbox news I'd jump over to one of the many xbox gaming sites that are around.

do we really need to hear about every time someone makes a new modchip or if microsoft have somehow made them unworkable. This has been going on, on other consoles for as long as I can remember now and I assume it will continue this way.

Re:not more xbox stuff... pleeeeeease (2, Interesting)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372870)

The irony -- admittedly a literary device lost on most SlashDotters -- is that in the console arena, MS is the scrappy underdog. Their presence there is a tremendous boon to game players (ardent 14-year-old PS2 fan boys not included, of course). It is the XBox which is causing $ony to drop prices, expedite online muti-player, and generally just keep in line and look over their shoulder. They have entered an industry in dire need of a competitive shake-up, and are one of the few companies with the resources to be taken seriously by the existing $ony and Nintendo monoliths.

Microsoft Xbox -- it's a Good Thing.

Of course, if you subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Bill Gates is the Grand Lizard of the Illuminati and that XBox is his tool to effect a plan for World Domination hatched during the Fall of the Knights Templar, a simple discussion regarding game industry economics is probably not going to sway you much...

one chip (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372758)

One chip to rule them, One chip to find them One chip to bring them all and in the darkness (of Microsoft) bind them.

Mod chips as far as the eye can see... (1)

The Lord of Chaos (231000) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372791)

This [easybuy2000.com] must scare the hell out of the XBox group at MS.

You mean "easier to pirate" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372792)

The "average" XBox user doesn't care about emulators. Their PC running MAME will be more capable. They sure don't care about running Linux on the XBox - who would, except for geeks looking for a novelty who will boot it once or twice?

The only interest the average XBox user has in this mod-chip is that it makes it easier to pirate games.

ok... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372793)

who cares?

Plain Old Living Room PC (2)

Vegan Pagan (251984) | more than 11 years ago | (#4372915)

When will someone make an ordinary PC for the living room? How about Shuttle? That way, we'd get a box that fits in the entertainment center, is far more powerful than Xbox, and with none of the restrictions.

Clarification about emulators on XBox (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4372953)

I saw some comments in this thread and previous threads about homebrew projects for the XBox (emulators specifically.) To avoid people being disappointed when they want to play games for (insert console here) system on their newly modded XBox, here is some information on the current state of emulators for the XBox.

Firstly, there is not yet an N64 emulator that runs well. There are the preliminaries of a port of Daedalus [boob.co.uk] for the XBox, including a leaked beta binary. It runs so-so because it was still early in development. This is not a comment on the author - I'm sure something will be developed soon that will make the majority of people happy, but don't get your hopes up about emulating all your favorite N64 games just yet.

There is also no PSX emulator yet. You can find the usual hype/marketing ploys on modchip reseller webpages about modchips allowing you to emulate "great systems like SNES, N64, PSX...". Please remember when you read such things that these people want your money. Look into it yourself first. There are no PSX emulators for the XBox yet. I'm sure something will be ported over in the future ( or Linux-on-Xbox will be able to run a linux PSX emu at a decent speed soon).

The good news, however, is that the world of emulation on the XBox is unparalleled on any other console. Here is a list of emulators ported to the XBox which work almost flawlessly:

Stella (Atari 2600) [xb-power.com]

Gnuboy (Gameboy/Gameboy Color) [xb-power.com]

FCEUltra (NES) [xb-power.com]

SMSPlus (GameGear/Sega Master System> [xb-power.com]

HU-GO (Turbografx-16/PC-Engine) [xb-power.com]

NeoPop (NeoGeo Pocket Color) [xb-power.com]

DGen (Sega Genesis) [xb-power.com]

Bochs (x86) [xb-power.com]
Bochs emulates the PC architecture and has prebuilt packages for running DOS 6.22, Windows 3.11, and Windows 95. Windows runs too slowly in Bochs to do anything useful, but it runs old DOS games very well.

Snes9x (SNES) [xb-power.com]

MAME (Arcade machines) [xb-power.com]

Daedalus (N64) [boob.co.uk]

Frodo (Commodore 64) (url?)

Handy (Atari Lynx) (url?)

GBA (Gameboy Advance) (url?)

Final Burn (Arcade/CPS2 esp) (url?)

Owning a modded XBox allows you to easily play just about all of your console classics on the TV in your living room. (No, not everyone has computers in every room of their house yet. :P ) IMHO, the most fun I've had with my XBox so far is playing games on all of the above emulators. Now that there is a solderless modchip, just about anyone can enjoy them also.

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