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Red Hat 8.0 Released

michael posted about 12 years ago | from the pink-tie-linux-available-at-your-local-cheap-CD-reseller dept.

Red Hat Software 778

I_am_Rambi writes "RedHat has released their latest OS, 8.0. Here is Red Hat's ftp site for download and some mirrors. If you need help there's a Howto." Jeet81 adds: "Red Hat is out with a new release, Red Hat 8.0. Looks like Red Hat is moving towards the windows XP style using its new Bluecurve graphical interface (the new default email client 'Ximian Evolution' looks a lot like MS Outlook)." So what's the verdict on Null or Bluecurve or whatever it's called? Good idea, bad idea?

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FP! (4, Insightful)

plazman30 (531348) | about 12 years ago | (#4372825)

Let them have what ever interface they want. This is Linux. You are free to change it.

Re:FP! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372878)

No, it's not linux. It's gnome/kde/ximian/XWindows. stuff it.

Re:FP! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372959)

Redhat's not linux?
I don't know what it's like on the planet where you are from, but over here the kernel is Linux, and the progams around it are written by the guys at GNU.. together they become GNU/Linux

Don't give me any of that "RedHat is Linux' Microsoft"-crap, RedHat's doing a great job.


Re:FP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372975)

"the programs around it"

I am ofcourse speaking of the core os, don't take me literary


Re:FP! (2, Interesting)

rseuhs (322520) | about 12 years ago | (#4372960)

But also let us have our opinion about it. We are free to say it.

Enough (-1)

RestonVA (593792) | about 12 years ago | (#4372827)

Enough of this Red Hat, linux, gnome sheeeeeeeeeet. WinXP for corporate users is what its all about!!!

Re:Enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4373005)

I've always wanted to know what a gnome sheet looks like. Apparently you've seen too many while I have yet to come across my first. Tell me, what sort of thickness can you get these gnomes down to? How well do they hold together? Would one be suitable for a dust cover for my computer?

Not first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372828)

This is not the first post so you may continue reading

NetBSD Rulz!!!

deja vu! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372829)


Sorry, but (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372830)

Windows XP is better than any flavor of Linux out there. Please download yourself a clue (instead of a bunch of Linux ISOs) and buy a copy of Windows XP today!

Re:Sorry, but (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372856)

It costs a lot more too. If you just want to get work done without a lot of bother regarding licensing (ghosting backups etc), adding new hardware, restrictions on what software you can use/copy, lost time/data from virus/hacks, then I`d suggest you dump windows and use Linux.

If however you want to play the latest games on the latest graphics cards (which cost the equivalent to all 3 major consoles), then go for it - get windows.

Clueless (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372984)

Us Linux users tried XP. Why do you think we use Linux. From your post, you just admitted you don't have a clue.


Better List of Mirrors (5, Informative)

sheckard (91376) | about 12 years ago | (#4372832)

Here is a list of mirrors known to have RH 8.0 ready: []

Whatever floats your boat (3, Interesting)

ck42 (134627) | about 12 years ago | (#4372833)

If it gets more people using Linux....who cares if it looks like a pink elephant.

Re:Whatever floats your boat (0)

Cnik70 (571147) | about 12 years ago | (#4372958)

Very true. the real linux pros will make it look like they want it to look, and the corporate desktop users will be able to make it look like they want it to look (user friendly, etc). As long as it GAINS deskspace, then I don't see a problem with adding a few bells and whistles for the user who may not know alot about computers beyond the Windows/Mac desktop. The whole benefit of Linux is that it can be whatever you want it to be ,and you are not fixed into a single framework, such as Windows.

This is news? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372835)


Re:This is news? (-1, Offtopic)

Gimpin (595657) | about 12 years ago | (#4372848)

Second the motion...another turd post

Welcome to the party. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372836)

It's about time you guy (Slashdot) got around to this!

Get it right (5, Informative)

browser_war_pow (100778) | about 12 years ago | (#4372837)

Null was the beta, bluecurve is the new theme

Re:Get it right (1)

spurious cowherd (104353) | about 12 years ago | (#4372860)

And the distribution is named Psyche

Re:Get it right (3, Interesting)

_|()|\| (159991) | about 12 years ago | (#4372945)

And Red Hat code names are usually related to each other, as chronicled here [] : valhalla -> limbo -> null -> psyche.

Re:Get it right (1)

Frank Grimes (211860) | about 12 years ago | (#4373007)

Null was the beta, bluecurve is the new theme

And the distribution is named Psyche

But null is a cooler name than "bluecurve". Let's all agree to use the word null as a synonym for the bluecurve look, which was introduced with the null beta.

Example: Argh! My desktop has been nullified!

love it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372840)

Yeah... it's a good idea. Very slick, although I don't like that it ships with apache 2

Look like windows? (5, Insightful)

pudge_lightyear (313465) | about 12 years ago | (#4372841)

It seems to me that looking like windows, while not sharing the ease of use of windows isn't exactly what's going to win customers over. That's only half (or less) of the battle. Maybe if this post read...looks and functions like windows xp (which it couldn't have said in good faith), that would be something.

Re:Look like windows? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372994)

You are expressing a subjective opinion as fact. I am a programmer and linux is extremely useful, however windows and macs are less interesting and in my opinion less useful due to their internals being somewhat closed (OSX is a step in the right directing). There are alse more programmatic choices on linux.

Linux does all the basics:
Web Surfing, email, word processing.
Video editing, cd burning.

And it does them WELL. If YOU don't know how to do them then that doesn't make linux less intuitive or less useful. Please repeat the last sentence 10,000 times.

UI Standardisation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372844)

Everyone applauded KDE/Gnome for developing UI guidelines, etc to unify the user interface. Yet it seems as though everyone is jumping on Red Hat's back for its effort with KDE AND Gnome. Is Red Hat becoming the Microsoft of the Linux world to slashdot readers?

BTW, my browser tells me this is the FIRST POST ... I hope this is more "quality" than standard "OMG!! FIRSTIES!"

Re:UI Standardisation (2)

MaxVlast (103795) | about 12 years ago | (#4372918)

Yes, yes it is. The Linux world's tendency is to find the successful, big player and hate it because anything they do is inherently evil because they're big and successful.

And unifying the Linux-oriented GUIs is a good idea. Unifying them around XP isn't a good idea. That thing's just ugly.

Rethat is for weenies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372846)

Real men use Debian

Re:Rethat is for weenies (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372886)

operating systems are for girls.

Re:Rethat is for weenies (5, Funny)

MarsDude (74832) | about 12 years ago | (#4372895)

"Real men use Debian"

That's right... All 3 of 'em do !

Re:Rethat is for weenies (-1, Flamebait) (471768) | about 12 years ago | (#4372911)

Remember fellow debianites, Microsoft is the competition, but redhat is the enemy

Yay... (5, Informative)

Coplan (13643) | about 12 years ago | (#4372849)

The interface isn't nearly as hacked as people think it is. I think Redhat took a step in the right direction. As much as some geeks might flame that, I think its necessary for the community.

Realistically though, they didn't hack both Gnome and KDE together, they just sorta made them "LOOK" similar. This is essential, as some people use both KDE and Gnome programs regardless of which interface they use.

It's worth a try for you redhat and mandrake users. Debian and Slackware users will probably dislike what they've done.

Re:Yay... (3, Interesting)

Your_Mom (94238) | about 12 years ago | (#4372978)

Slackware users will probably dislike what they've done.
Hi, Slackware Zealot here. Just to prove you wrong, I like the idea of a nice perty interface. I think it is needed. However, I won't use it. I am downloading it for one of my roomates who wants to try Linux though, I think this is a real nice starting point for most users.

That being said, I have one complaint. FIVE fscking-disks?! Hello!?!? Some people still are too cheap to buy stuff! Hell Slack is just recently toying with the idea for possibly going to 2, and even they postponed it for another release. Sheesh!

Dammit! (4, Funny)

FreeLinux (555387) | about 12 years ago | (#4372855)

The mirrors have been either jammed or not updated since Monday. Now Slashdot posts links on the frontpage. I'll never be able to get the ISOs.

Re:Dammit! (2)

Coplan (13643) | about 12 years ago | (#4372875)

I'm just waiting for CheapBytes to release their burned ISOs.

We don't need those damn manuals.

And have you ever tried to download the ISOs with a 56k. I'm not doing that again?

Re:Dammit! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372904)

It was also posted to slashdot's front page on Monday Morning!!

Try gftp (0)

baxshep (463848) | about 12 years ago | (#4373013)

gftp keeps retrying the download every 30 seconds until I get into the ftp site I use. That's why I'm almost done w/ downloading disc 5 as we speak. Also, look on the gnutella network. The isos are out there.

Interface (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372863)

Any improvement on the interface whether it looks like Windows or OS X (we could only wish) is a move in the right direction.

Re:Interface (2)

MaxVlast (103795) | about 12 years ago | (#4372936)

I guarantee that if it looked like Mac OS X, it would be a complete disappointment in almost every department. I've used KDE, GNOME, Athena, Xt, and GNUstep extensively and not one of them has any hope of creating a solid-feeling UI that's half the quality of OpenStep (which I use daily) or Mac OS X (which I also use daily.) I'm not trying to be a troll, but they just don't have it yet.

Speed improvments (2, Interesting)

Wally_Hntr (591170) | about 12 years ago | (#4372864)

One thing I've noticed is that it doesn't take a minute to open Nautilus anymore. Much appreciated change. Overall, it looks more polished than previous releases. (much easier for mom to use)

yes (3, Funny)

MarsDude (74832) | about 12 years ago | (#4372868)

"So what's the verdict on Null or Bluecurve or whatever it's called? Good idea, bad idea? "

Yes... one of those 2. Or maybe something in between.

null or bluecurve (5, Informative)

sethadam1 (530629) | about 12 years ago | (#4372869)

I cannot even believe this is Slashdot anymore!

- The release is called Psyche.
- The final beta was called (null), with parens, not "null."
- The default theme, authored by Red Hat, is called Blue Curve. Blue Curve is offered in both Red Hat stock KDE 3 or Gnome 2.
- The release date was 9-30. Is this is a news site or what?

Re:null or bluecurve (0)

larry bagina (561269) | about 12 years ago | (#4372966)

So, the editors post inaccurate (or wrong) information and pass old stuff of as "news".

Why can't you believe this is slashdot?

Re:null or bluecurve (2)

blazerw11 (68928) | about 12 years ago | (#4373002)

Some quotes:
So what's the verdict on Null or Bluecurve or whatever it's called? - It may not be good humor, but this _is_ an _attempt_ at humor. A lot of us caught onto that.

The release date was 9-30. Is this is a news site or what? - If it's announced on the day of the release, the flames fly about waiting 'til it propagates to all of the mirrors.

Screenshots... (5, Informative)

deego (587575) | about 12 years ago | (#4372871)

here [] are some screenshots..

Re:Screenshots... (1)

critter_hunter (568942) | about 12 years ago | (#4372967)

But they aren`t worth this [] official screenshot

I just wanted to let you know that I installed Red Hat 8.0 and it rocks! I can`t wait to tell all my friends!

Ooooh I installed Red Hat! It's so fun! Also, I'm a giggling schoolgirl!

Great Work (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372873)

I Think RedHat is doing a great job in releasing a distribution that is useful as a desktop & server. Combining the look & feel on both KDE & Gnome has been the topic of discussion for awhile now. The new Interface looks slick, I am looking forward to installing it.

Great Work RedHat!

F**ck redhat (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372876)

If I wanted to activate [] my OS I would have gone with Windows XP. Not only do they plagiarise XP user interface, now they also copy Microsoft style practices! Way to go redhat...

Re:F**ck redhat (3, Insightful)

cygnusx197 (606856) | about 12 years ago | (#4372893)

Don't be such a freak. Nobody's forcing you to register it.

Re:F**ck redhat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372926)

That's activating it for the Red Hat network. You know, showing them that you paid extra. If you go out and buy it in a store for $60, you really should activate that support. Otherwise you could have downloaded the ISOs and gotten it for free.

Buying or downloading RedHat doesn't require activation. Mod the parent down as clueless.

There's two questions there (5, Insightful)

ajs (35943) | about 12 years ago | (#4372879)

The first question is: is unifying desktops via theming a good idea. The answer is an emphatic yes, but with the proviso that it's a damn hard thing to do well, and you have to deal with the egos of everyone involved (including your own).

The second question is: did Red Hat pull it off well. I think we will have to wait a few months to guage how successful it has been. Ximian's Gnome2-based system will almost certianly be out soon, and I think a good measure of how usable Red Hat's desktop is will be how many people plunk Ximian down over it.

Review of RH 8.0 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372880)

First off I'd like to give some praise to everyone who posts their
experiences, or fictional stories here. I think it is the most erotic
as well as informative thing on the web these days. Erotic pictures are
very nice, but there's something about reading an erotic story that is
very unique. The images in your mind that are created by the words, are
equally, if not more arousing than pictures. So thanx to all who have
worked to post their stories.

"Prostate Fun"

Every since I was a little kid I loved the feeling of putting
pressure on my prostate gland (if you're a male that doesn't know what your
prostate gland is, it's the gland that semen passes through on it's way
out the urethra. Semen mixes with the watery fluid in the prostate and
then ejaculates out the penis. It's located just inside the anus. If
you're in a sitting postion, it's easiest on the toilet for starters,
insert your finger into your anus, hook your finger and it's the bulge
right underneath your penis. When you push on it or rub it, you can
feel pressure. It should feel like it does when you're ejaculating, and
your prostate is contracting to send your cum spurting out. If you do
this why'll having an orgasm it is really intense, it's one of the
secrets some men don't know about. Definitely try it's worth
the slight discomfort. Just use alot of lubrication, and move slow at
first. It's wonderful. Definetly try it if you haven't).

Well, on to the story. I did alot of experimenting when I was little,
and still do. It's great to find new ways of masturbation and sources
of pleasure. I use to insert everything from my finger, to barbie doll
legs, to those real small skinny baseball bats into my rectum. I never
knew why I liked to do it so much. I even went through a phase where I
thought I was gay because I liked to put things up my ass. I was really
confused. Until, in one of my nudy magazines I read an ad in the back
for prostate stimulators. It described basically the same things I did
in the previous paragraph. I was astonished, and extactic to learn why
I had the feeling that I did. And to finally put to rest any doubts I
had about my sexuality.

Ever since I've been giving myself anal stimulation; and loving it.
But there was one draw back to it: PAIN. I tried alot of methods, and
soon I was pretty good at relaxing my muscles a little to diminish some
of the pain. But never all of it. Also, I am obsessed with women, and
the vagina. If I had 3 wishes, being able to be a women whenever I
wanted would be one of them. I wanted to make fingering my anus as
close to fingering a vagina as possible. But I could never relax my
muscles enough, there was always a certain amount of pain and pressure.
Just a few days ago I stumbled upon a discovery though. And I knew I
had to post it to this site, to share with the rest of the men of the

I was extremely horny, and it was heightened by the fact that I had to
shit. The pressure of the shit in my ass on my prostate always makes me
horny as hell. I usually take a shit, and then go and masturbate

So I'm sitting on the toilet, slowly getting ready to release my shit.
I was thinking about how loose my anus gets when I shit, it would feel
great to finger that loose opening like it was a pussy, and it would
relive all the pressure and pain. It would be painless if I could just
keep my sphincter muscle relaxed why'll I fingered. So I lubed up my
opening and put my finger against th hole. (During this don't let any of
your shit out, it takes alot of self control to do, just concentrate on
controling your muscles.) Slowly I let my shit begin to creep towards
the hole. I stress the word slowly, it wont work if you don't do it
slowly, you'll just get a handful of shit. When the shit gets close to
your anus, the sphincter muscle will begin to open up; as soon as
there's enough room, insert your finger.

It gets a little messy here, so this method of stimulation isn't for
the faint of heart. But it's WELL worth it.

Hold back the shit with your finger. If your'e having diarrhea,
there's no way in HELL your'e gonna stop it. Smooth shit is kinda fun if you
don't mind getting a little dirty. Some of the smooth shit will probably
seep out, but it feels great. Harder shit is definitely the best
though. The invoulntary muscles of your anus and intestines are fooled
into thinking that your shitting; When in fact your holding the shit
back. They loosen up from a tight vice-like grip, to nearly no pressure
at all, their as loose as most young virgin pussy lips. This is when
the pleasure hits like a Mac truck.

I fingered my ass into ecstasy, with absolutly no pain or great
discomfort. I pressed my shit up against my prostate, as well as
directly rubbing it. The pleasure flowed throughout my body like an
ocean wave. It was like cumming over and over and over... I started to
literally cry from the pleasure it was so intense. I shoved my finger
deep into my shit, mashing it around my insides. In and out I fingered
myself, the lips of my ass were so light and caressing on my finger.
The pain of all my other times of anal stimulation was now nonexistent.

The tears dripped off my cheeks, and onto my thighs as I whyned and
wimpered from the stimulation. My bowels cried out trying to get my
shit to flow out, but I wouldn't let it go. I continued to deeply rub
my prostate, pressing harder and harder against the soft wall of my
intestines. I propped my leg up on the wall and kept fingering myself
into heaven. I felt as if I could nearly drive myself to orgasm just by
rubbing my swolen gland. Fluid began to seep out of my penis, dripping
slowly down the shaft. I couldn't take it any longer though, I had to
give my penis some attention. I grabbed the shaft with my right hand,
while I fingered my ass with my left. With every jerk on my cock, I
jammed my finger into my rectum pressing it hard against my prostate.
The pressure created by my finger forced the fluid inside the gland to
push out my urethra as I continued to yank on my dick. It didn't take
long before I was spurting cum all over my stomach and legs. As I came,
my prostate contracted violently, propelling it's stored fluid out of my
body. With every contraction, I pressed my finger into it; causing my
cum to spurt longer and farther.

When the contractions finally subsided, I withdrew my finger and my
shit flowed happily out of my ass. I sat for several seconds trying to
slow down my heartbeat. It was one of the most intense orgasms I have
ever experienced.

----The Fun & Messy End----

Thanx again to all who post here. Wish I didn't have to make this
anonymous, but I 've get some less than understanding friends who are on
my computer alot. : (
Maybe someday I'll post my e-mail when the circumstances are a little
more private.


Isn't this two days old? (2)

Raleel (30913) | about 12 years ago | (#4372883)

You know, I run a mirror for redhat, and it's been available for 2 days. Why are we just now discussing this?

Re:Isn't this two days old? (5, Insightful)

weave (48069) | about 12 years ago | (#4372913)

Poor slashdot. If they break a new release story right away they get flamed for causing people to slam the vendor's ftp site before the mirrors have a chance to get it, if they wait a few days and allow mirrors to get updated first, they get flamed for posting a story which is "old news."

Re:Isn't this two days old? (2)

Jose (15075) | about 12 years ago | (#4372934)

It used to be that Slashdot would post new release info as soon as some popular package came out, sometimes before the mirrors got updated, everyone bitched. Now they wait a bit, people bitch. yeah, sure they still posted a direct link to redhat's ftp site, but at least they posted a link to where the mirrors are :)

Distribution of resources (2)

nesneros (214571) | about 12 years ago | (#4372887)

I only have a problem with fancy design updates when they take precedence over fixing problems that are more important to me. Of course, my problems (like the lack of robustness in mounting smb shares), aren't everyone else's, so maybe they made the right decision.

Personally, look-and-feel is pretty low on my priorities list, but it is really nice to have someone say "what is that you're using? It looks really cool".

Re:Distribution of resources (2, Insightful)

BaronVonDuvet (612870) | about 12 years ago | (#4372947)

Exactly. If they want more 'average' home PC users having Linux then it will probably come from it looking nice. Micro$oft has a very poor reputation with reliability and people tend to regard Linux has a good reputation. Now if we could get a bit more software off the shelf we'd be laughing......

RH 8 on nvidia? (3, Interesting)

(H)elix1 (231155) | about 12 years ago | (#4372888)

Anyone know if the nvidia chipsets are supported out of the box, or is it still a post install patch with the laptop version?

Re:RH 8 on nvidia? (4, Informative)

CvD (94050) | about 12 years ago | (#4372932)

I believe that because of NVidia licensing you have to get the NVIDIA drivers from NVidia themselves. They're binary drivers but they're well documented. The RPMs for 8.0 aren't there yet, but you can build the drivers from source RPMs which are on that page too.

Here's their latest release []



Re:RH 8 on nvidia? (1)

(H)elix1 (231155) | about 12 years ago | (#4372976)

Yup... had to build from source when I updated my kernal for 7.3. I learned a thing or two (wimper) doing that. Making the kernal is easy, but anyone document the GRUB part? I ended up going back to LILO because (and I am a newbie) I could not figure out how to make the boot image(?) for GRUB.

Re:RH 8 on nvidia? (1)

cp99 (559733) | about 12 years ago | (#4372998)

I was under the impression that you can redistribute the nVidia drivers, just as long as you don't modify it.

From there licensing info:

"2.1.1 Rights. Customer may install and use one copy of the SOFTWARE on a single computer, and except for making one back-up copy of the Software, may not otherwise copy the SOFTWARE. This LICENSE of SOFTWARE may not be shared or used concurrently on different computers.

2.1.2 Linux Exception. Notwithstanding the foregoing terms of Section 2.1.1, SOFTWARE designed exclusively for use on the Linux operating system may be copied and redistributed, provided that the binary files thereof are not modified in any way (except for unzipping of compressed files).

Re:RH 8 on nvidia? (2)

drudd (43032) | about 12 years ago | (#4372973)

My GeForce 2 was supported enough to run the graphical install. I chose not to configure X during the install, and instead booted into a command prompt, downloaded the Nvidia src rpm's and installed them. Then I configured X, changed my runlevel to 5, and X popped right up.

The whole procedure took less than 15 minutes.

Check the Nvidia linux drivers forum, there's often good information there on installing the driver and configuring X.


Re:RH 8 on nvidia? (1)

lazlow (94602) | about 12 years ago | (#4373004)

Yes and NO, X's drivers out of the box, The Nvidia driver you have install.

So where's the BitTorrent link? (1)

daves (23318) | about 12 years ago | (#4372889)

This could be a lot easier if P2P had it's act together.

BitTorrent []

I've used the beta, and liked it. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372891)

The beta was a nice distro. I am glad that they admitted that ACL support was broken and removed it from the final release. Quality over features. Not something the computing world is accustomed to. Read the release notes. Nice touches, such as mkbootdisk supporting writing to bootable iso format. They are also looking out for our rights by not including mp3 support. A political statement, but an important one. Again, quality and values over features.

And I had a 2 days head start too :( (2)

Xpilot (117961) | about 12 years ago | (#4372892)

And it's still not done downloading the first CD.

I tried out Null when it was released, and it does feel XP-ish, only without the horrid default color scheme of XP ;)

Ximian Evolution has been out for quite a while, and it's included in most major distros, not just RH. I use Evolution (came with Slack 8.1) for my daily email.

Re:And I had a 2 days head start too :( (1)

CvD (94050) | about 12 years ago | (#4372954)

Why is it that they suddenly have 5 CDs to put everything on? Where's the major increase in space needed coming from?



Re:And I had a 2 days head start too :( (3, Informative)

Majix (139279) | about 12 years ago | (#4373010)

Note that CD 4 and 5 are source packages only and you probably don't need them. Also, CD 3 holds most of the server stuff (and I think KDE), so if you do a recommended Workstation setup you will only be asked for CD 1 and 2.

from the RH website... (2, Funny)

path_man (610677) | about 12 years ago | (#4372894)

Introducing Red Hat Linux 8.0, a user-friendly Linux operating system.

OK but does it pass the Grandma test? I can just hear myself now, "OK Grandma, type vee-eye "frontslash" etc/hosts... no wait, frontslash... no, not the one above the RETURN key... wait, yours is called the ENTER key?" Still, the "dumbing down" of the interface all in all is a great step in the right direction to capturing new mindshare.

If I know anything about redhat (2)

jandrese (485) | about 12 years ago | (#4372896)

Those mirrors will be useless for at least a week. RH has the worst set of mirrors I've ever encountered. Months after a major release it is still difficult to find a mirror that is working, has the latest files, and not stuffed to the gills with downloaders. Even when you get on a mirror it is dog slow and times out frequently. Generally you are better off poking around university FTP sites (especially the CS department) looking for someone hosting a local mirror than you are trying to fight for the 100 aggregate download slots available on the official mirrors.

Re:If I know anything about redhat (0)

Wally_Hntr (591170) | about 12 years ago | (#4372939)

I'm not sure which mirrors you're trying, but I downloaded the first 3 CD's on Monday with no problem.

Re:If I know anything about redhat (1)

Lussarn (105276) | about 12 years ago | (#4372964)

RH has the worst set of mirrors I've ever encountered

I think it's cool that a Linux distro can take down even the bigest ftp servers. Readhat has quite a few users, it's probably alot of people downloading right now.

As I see it it's just another redhat *.0 version. I wait 6 month for 8.1

Re:If I know anything about redhat (1)

nolife (233813) | about 12 years ago | (#4373006)

I've had slightly better luck. I almost have disks 1 through 4 in less then 24 hours. Taking some time but thanks to ncftp and bgget its been pretty easy. I used Google with different keywords trying to find the not so popular mirrors and have been having some luck with that.

Read Slashdot much? (2)

Otter (3800) | about 12 years ago | (#4372899)

Red Hat is out with a new release, Red Hat 8.0. Looks like Red Hat is moving towards the windows XP style using its new Bluecurve graphical interface (the new default email client 'Ximian Evolution' looks a lot like MS Outlook).

The new Red Hat will be 8.0? New desktop theme? Wow, thanks for letting us know! ;-)

Seriously, though, is there something new with Evolution or is it the same UI that's always been an Outlook clone?

Upgrading from 7.3 status (5, Informative)

mgkimsal2 (200677) | about 12 years ago | (#4372900)

I had a stock RH7.3 install, which I'd then changed a bit visually (new KDE themes, etc). I upgraded to RH8 yesterday. The 'bluecurve' didn't come up, although it was an available theme in the KDE theme area. Overall, after the 'upgrade', everything seemed exactly as it was before. Couple things seemed faster, but nothing significant had changed (didn't check Apache, and apparently it's gone to 2.0, so that probably wouldn't have worked).

Anyway, I had to completely remove my .kde directory, then restarting brought up everything 'new', and it looks nice. Not earth shattering, but nice. We've played around with it here, going between KDE and Gnome, and they do look very similar. Menus are the same, colors, etc. Fonts seemed a bit different between the two (Gnome fonts appeared a bit smaller) but otherwise it was fine. Not impossible to tell which you're using, but it's not a jarring experience going between the two.

The menu now has just one option for many things - 'project manager', 'web browser', 'email', etc. and I do think some things are grouped more logically than others. It also seems that you still get WAY too much *in the menus* which isn't useful for most people - it just overwhelms you when you're trying to find stuff. I'd suggest making a 'default' menu with fewer things, with the option of clicking a 'sysadmin menu' checkbox somewhere to add sysadmin stuff if/when it's needed.

Finally, many things seem faster - I'm assuming this is because of the new GCC and some kernel scheduling stuff. Whatever it is, it's made a big difference on this box. I'm testing at home tonight as well and expect similar performance increases.

All in all, a good upgrade.

Just my $0.02 (4, Redundant)

papasui (567265) | about 12 years ago | (#4372901)

I personally love that you can customize Linux to look and work the way you want it to, but setting that aside, I feel the only way you can actually convince the novice computer user a shot st using Linux the UI needs to consistant across the distos. I know plenty of people I work with that took a long time to learn Windows and might be willing to give Linux a shot, but not if they are going to be lost when they use a different GUI on a different Linux machine. If it came down to a somewhat standardized look, I think there would be a lot more converts. Yea that means making it more like Windows but that seems be what 95% of the population wants...

What Real People need (5, Interesting)

John Paul Jones (151355) | about 12 years ago | (#4372902)

I've been running Ximian Gnome for quite some time now, and Real People think it looks good, but is somewhat alien in presentation... the new RH "skin" on KDE/Gnome is targetted directly at them, and this is a Good Thing(tm) for Linux. The inclusion of a display settings dialog that changes the screen resolution and colors via a GUI that functions similarly to WinX is now present and functional. The purists scoff, but the Real People use.

Embrace and extend, remember?


Hard to customize (1)

SLOGEN (165834) | about 12 years ago | (#4372910)

Where the he** is the methods for changing window manager?

After upgrading from 7.3, RedHat has decided, that I no longer want to use sawfish as my win-manager, but a thing called MetaCity.

The "metacity" thing is not really what I want (I want user-defined shortcuts to user-defined functions for one thing), how do I change back to my old window-manager?

They also removed some customization options for gnome in the control-center, making it very hard to enable tear-off menus and such.


Better download suggestions (3, Informative)

back_pages (600753) | about 12 years ago | (#4372917)

This is obviously old news to anyone who cared in the first place, but anyhow...

I was struggling with ftp transfers for the last two days. They are miserably clogged, as we all expect. I was surprised to find a perfectly legitimate use for P2P file sharing networks in this - gtk-gnutella has found all five isos for me with download speeds about 40 times greater than I was getting on ftp.

Just check the MD5 and enjoy.

Evolution v. Mozilla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372919)

I have been using Mandrake for some time and decided to give Evolution a try (after years of using mutt). I liked it, but it was buggy. I don't like Microsoft much, but if they make a good product I'll use it. I used Outlook Express at work and then recently decided to try Mozilla. Man, what a difference!! Mozilla email is way ahead of Evolution and even better than Outlook Express.

So the question is, why are these folks making Evolution the default when (in my experience) Mozilla is far superior as an emailer?

Re:Evolution v. Mozilla (1)

Wally_Hntr (591170) | about 12 years ago | (#4373003)

Finally, someone else who thinks that the Mozilla email kicks butt. I've been using Mozilla since some of the early builds and the email client has just been getting better and better. It's nice to see an email client that actually has some thought put into it. Probably my favorite thing is the quick search bar at the top of the message list.

I don't understand why the majority thinks it's crap?

Ahem... (2, Insightful)

Dutchmaan (442553) | about 12 years ago | (#4372920)

"Looks like Red Hat is moving towards the windows XP style using its new Bluecurve graphical interface."

Excuse me... might you mean the OS X style Bluecurve graphical interface? Lets be honest here.. if it wasn't for Aqua.. The Luna derivative would probably never have been...and consequent derivatives.

Visual Studio Dot Net (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372921)

Urgh. What a nasty ad on /. to get when
checking out the latest, greatest
Linux distro.

At least it's not a pop up ad.

bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372922)

is it me, or is redhat and many other linux companies scared of apple? Apple has done something for which redhat/gnome/kde/enlightenment had 10 years to try to do. That is put a face to the desktop. Apple has gone and pushed to the limits to the desktop and more. What has Redhat done? switch seems that they have tried to hard and come up with not....

I think bluecurve sucks... (1, Troll)

stubear (130454) | about 12 years ago | (#4372923)

I can't prove it but I think whoever designed the new Redhat UI appears to have copied much of the work I have done on the OBOS GUI (hopefully to be used in the R2 release), the only real differences being the tabbed titlebar and repositioning of some of the widgets. Not only did they appear to have copied my work, they didn't do a very good job of it. As with many other *nix GUIs, Redhat overdid the look without truly innovating in the functionality department. Paint a turd and it's still a turd, it's just a different color.

Re:I think bluecurve sucks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372948)

Not only did they appear to have copied my work.... [p]aint a turd and it's still a turd, it's just a different color.

At least you're honest.

Re:I think bluecurve sucks... (2, Funny)

Pahroza (24427) | about 12 years ago | (#4372988)

News at 10: Two of the billions of people on the planet Earth had very similar ideas.

Red Hat 8 review (from slash) (0)

lamp77 (147098) | about 12 years ago | (#4372930)

Reviewed a few days ago []


which is faster? (2)

night_flyer (453866) | about 12 years ago | (#4372933)

Mandrake or redhat?

I hate the new UI (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372940)

Looks like Red Hat is moving towards the windows XP style using its new Bluecurve graphical interface

Maybe it's just becuase I'm a techie, but I hate the garish, large, gaudy UI's like XP's, OSX's....

Fisher-price just doesn't cut it for me.

I like Mac OS 8/9, Windows 2000, BeOS, SGI's desktop....

3 or 5 CD's (2)

Space cowboy (13680) | about 12 years ago | (#4372957)

I could have sworn that my mirror had 5 iso's the other day, but there's only 3 there now... What's missing ?


Save your bandwidth (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4372963)

Those rushing out to download the ISO's may wish to note that Psyche does not include out-of-the-box support for playing MP3's or any form of decent video player (no xine, etc). You may want to check out a review:
here []

Re:Save your bandwidth (2, Informative)

CvD (94050) | about 12 years ago | (#4372992)

Install apt for RPMs [] (it is an RPM) after which you can do:

apt-get install mplayer

apt-get install xine

apt-get install xmms

It'll get all the necessary libraries, etc. No need to go through dependency hell!

How easy is that?



Desktop Innovation (1)

Higatsuku (522431) | about 12 years ago | (#4372972)

I'd really like to see the open source community do something to make using linux not just a valuable tool, but a real computing joy. I stopping use windows because I hated windows, why would I want to use a desktop that reminds me of something i hate? I'd like to see some true innovation in ease of use on the desktop with linux. Pretty icons and colors are nice, but if they don't work in a very strategic and coherant way, you break your metaphore. I have limted experience with using any linux desktops, but why when you have the freedom to do any interface you want, would you borrow so much from the company that you can view as the enemy in microsoft. Give linux a face, maybe do somehting different, let a user sit down and know he/she is on linux.

For the years I have jumped from OS to OS, I can always remember the way my gui's worked.

The start menu is ok, but I don't think thats always where the action is....lets be creative and smart!

Free version is non-distributable (5, Informative)

Beautyon (214567) | about 12 years ago | (#4372974)

From the LBC-announce mailing list:

"I've been getting a number of enquiries about when we'll have a cheap
version of Red Hat Linux 8.0.

Unfortunately, Red Hat have moved the goal posts again. In a surprising
move they've completely broken with their previous policy of 100% open
source. The new distribution contains a few components which are (C)
Red Hat and are *not* freely re-distributable. This has produced
surprisingly little comment but the effect is that it's no longer
possible to re-distribute copies of the standard download version of Red
Hat Linux. For the company that has up to now been the champion of Open
Source, it's a major direction change.

It's not all bad news though. The problem components are in identified
packages and Red Hat have said it's fine to re-distribute as long as
they are first removed. I therefore hope that we will be able to do a
Threads Linux 8.0. It will no longer be exactly the same as Red Hat,
although it will be functionally identical.

-- The Linux Emporium - the source for Linux in the UK
See []

NO ISO (-1)

Yog-Soth (108846) | about 12 years ago | (#4372996)

Seriously: Why do people download ISOs? Just get the network boot disks (bootnet/drvnet) and use those.
Getting all the cd images is a waste_of_time__and_bandwidth if you use redhat on a few computers only.

Upgrades seem to give problems (2)

dybdahl (80720) | about 12 years ago | (#4372999)

Most I've heard that tried to upgrade Red Hat 7.3 computers to 8.0, have failed. My own only runs windowmaker, but KDE and Gnome fail to launch. Some people say I should be happy :-)

The kernel only changed from 2.4.18-10 to 2.4.18-14, but my uhci usb wasn't detected automatically, so it removed my mouse, "rpm --rebuild" didn't work on the source rpms I downloaded from Nvidia (--rebuild is no longer an rpm option), Xconfigurator is gone, but the kernel seems to detect other hardware on my motherboard better because everything runs much faster now.

The discussion we had lately about bluecurve is much better understood when you try Red Hat 8.0. KDE and Gnome look so much the same that most people would probably want to choose the default (Gnome), and then they don't find all the neat stuff built into KDE (like the KDE file system with sftp support, KDE printing etc.).

Bluecurve is not good for experienced users, but seems to be a gift to new Linux users. They will feel welcome. Since only a small percentage of desktop users use Linux now, I think this is a good step on the road to make GNU/Linux the dominant desktop operating system.


foo! (0)

Dri (16940) | about 12 years ago | (#4373009)

Running it as we speak. RedHat's buggiest release to date. Think twice before making that "upgrade". KDE is crippled. I'm going over to fluxbox after being about a year in kdeland. GNOME? No clue, looks like crap. This bluecurve thing may be a good thing to inviting "ordinary" people to linuxworld. Inviting more people means business and business is good for the defeat of Microsoft. Hang on to your hat! =)

The verdict (1)

jdavidb (449077) | about 12 years ago | (#4373011)

So what's the verdict on Null or Bluecurve or whatever it's called? Good idea, bad idea?

You just like waving a red flag in front of a bull, don't you?

whatever... (0)

makoffee (145275) | about 12 years ago | (#4373012)

the UI of linux is it's biggest problem. if anything feels disjointed about the operating system it's the GUI above all other issues. it's just years behind in development. sit down at a macosx box and sit back down at your linux box to put it all into persepective. the other thing i don't like is all the extra crap no one will ever use that comes with redhat distros. the cd's should just copy to the hard drive and all the packages should be there to be used and installed at your convenence, but off the bat, in the original install they should just install the A+ software only per function you want. I would also be cool if the installer could prob your hardware, ask you a few questions about funcionality and then compile a custom kernel to your system. that's what I want. Less bloted distros. And as far as the gui goes, dumb it up as much as you can to get people to come over to linux, but it better be slick as shit.
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