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FreeBSD 4.7-RELEASE

timothy posted about 12 years ago | from the now-with-improved-goodness dept.

Announcements 414

Triumph The Insult C writes "FreeBSD 4.7 is out. Here is the announcement. New items include an option for IPFW2, a number of disk controller updates, security updates, and some changes to userland. Remember, please use a mirror." Among other things, the release announcement says: "FreeBSD 4.7 also incorporates all of the security and bug fixes from 4.6.2 (released in August 2002), including several ATA-related bugfixes, updates for OpenSSL and OpenSSH, and fixes to address several security advisories." And here are the release notes.

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pf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4424988)

fp! oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah

Scott Lockwood is a faggot. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4424992)

Totally queer.

MODERATE PARENT DOWN. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425005)

While it's true that Scott Lockwood is a totally gay faggot, it's not topical to this discussion.

Scott Lockwood is NOT gay. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425032)

Scott Lockwood tried to be gay when he realized that no woman smaller than an SUV would ever have sex with him, but he couldn't find any homosexuals desperate enough or sick enough to engage in anal faggotry with him. Even sodomites have STANDARDS. Sorry, Vlad.

Does pederasty count as homosexuality? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425071)

I have it on good authority that the wife of Lockwood's buddy MFS had a baby a few months back, named Matthew Steven, and since then, Mr. Lockwood has taken a very 'active role' in the child's development, if you know what I mean. And by 'active role', I mean in the 'anal paedophile sodomy' sense, if you know what I mean. And by 'anal paeodophile sodomy', I mean 'buttrape'.

So, in a sense, Scott Lockwood could be considered a homosexual, but only with regards to children. PLEASE do not be a rude, evil person by accusing Mr. Lockwood of perversions he is not guilty of, when there are so many perversions he IS guilty of.

Repeat: Mr. Lockwood does NOT have sex with adult men. This is an absolutely false, viscious, untrue lie. The only males he has sex with are young boys.

Firsthand experience. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425106)

I am a 13-year-old boy, and Mr. Lockwood recently broke my heart by telling me that I have grown too old to continue being fucked in the rectum [goatse.cx] by him [goatse.cx] . Mark my words, he's a great anal-lover, but as soon as you turn 13, he kicks you out the door in favor of some hot young 4-year-old!

Oh, Scott, I loved you, why did you have to be so cruel to me? I love you, and yet I hate you. OH, the Pathos!!!

Junis? (-1, Troll)

The Turd Report (527733) | about 12 years ago | (#4425143)

Is that you? After all these years of love I have shown you, you do this to me? You will find your C64 on the sidewalk with your other things.

--Jon Katz

RAGE!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425159)

My name is Theresa Lockwood, and I am wife #4 to the esteemed Mr. Lockwood. It makes me sad to see him degraded this way by people who don't even know him. The day that he picked me out of The Slovenian Plus-Size Mail-Order Bride catalog was the happiest day of my life. My little Vladie-poop does NOT have sex with young boys. Other than his bi-weekly trips to the local gay bathhouse, he is COMPLETELY faithful to me, and I anticipate that he will always be faithful to me until he manages to find someone even fatter than myself, as has happened to his three previous wives.

DON'T BE AN ASSHOLE. Scott Lockwood is a good man, a good provider (we draw welfare, disability, AND unemployment checks), and a good lover who LOVES to lick my asshole after I take a dump. Don't judge him if you don't know him.

Memo from the Vatican (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425220)

FROM THE DESK OF THE POPE
VATICAN, ROME

I am Pope John Paul II, leader of the Catholic Church and reincarnation of Jesus Christ. In light of recent information that has surfaced regarding Scott and Reza Lockwood and their forbidden sexual practices (rimming, swining, scatting, felching, sodomizing, donkey punching, etc.) I am regretfully* forced to hereby excommunicate them from the Catholic Church and thereby cut them off forever from the salvation of our Lord.

*(This being a formality, since no "regret" is actually involved)

However, in light of certain rumors concerning Mr. Lockwood's activities regarding young boys, I think he has a place within the Priesthood, and I am thus willing to spare him (but not his mail-order Slovenian wife) the pain of excommunication if he agrees to become a Catholic Priest immediately.

Dear God, NOOO!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425249)

Not Scott Lockwood! ANYTHING but that!!! Someone save us!!

Sincerely,
The Catholic Altar-Boys Association

Re:Memo from the Vatican (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425328)

Donkey punching?

Re:Memo from the Vatican (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425453)

Look it up. [deviantonline.com]

Scott Lockwood has threesome sex (with women even! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425123)

Here [boners.com] are two women warming themselves up for hot, steamy monkey-pig sex with the Flabinator. Hot Mammas!

"Flabinator" is derogatory and insulting. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425431)

Please don't use it. It's important to be politically correct. The preferred term is "Lardinator."

Re:Scott Lockwood is a faggot. (-1, Offtopic)

613746 (613746) | about 12 years ago | (#4425034)

Of course, hanging out on Slashdot and posting comments like that proves that you are not a queer, right?

Re:Scott Lockwood is a faggot. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425061)

Stop this drivel and copy-and-paste OSNews stories and paste them into slashdot articles.

It REALLY pisses off Euginea

Re:Scott Lockwood is a faggot. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425058)

who is scott lockwood, and, even more importantly, why should I care whether or not he is a faggot?

This is true. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425381)

He sucked my cock last night.

upgrade (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4424997)

I've been waiting for an upgrade [attaway.net] .

pallidium and drm support? (2, Funny)

Billly Gates (198444) | about 12 years ago | (#4425000)

Just kidding.

What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (4, Interesting)

pieterh (196118) | about 12 years ago | (#4425002)

Just a question, I'm not knocking FreeBSD.

But I'm seeing Linux coming up so fast... Is there a likelyhood of putting the best of FreeBSD into Linux and getting a single best-of-breed Free Unix distribution?

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (5, Informative)

Moridineas (213502) | about 12 years ago | (#4425048)

The best of FreeBSD? Well some would say the best of FreeBSD is the BSD part (license and architecture). Another advantage (and what I like a lot) is the ability to keep track of the CVS tree and "make world" any time you want and have a completely upgraded core system. The ports system is also in my mind infinitely preferable to binary package hell. Ports has been tried in some linux distributions I believe (Gentoo? not sure). So in a way, some of the best parts of the BSD's are going into linux

On the other hand, linux because of it's size and diversity will never have the core development group, and central design that the BSD's have.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (1)

rmadmin (532701) | about 12 years ago | (#4425181)

Keep in mind that theirs already LOADS of BSD in linux. All the applications you load on top of linux are the same as the ones on FreeBSD (Except I think freebsd tweaks the code a tad for ports). Also, due to licensing, their is BSD code in the Linux Kernel itself. Nothing great, but its a start :-d

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (1)

cattlepr0d (195325) | about 12 years ago | (#4425049)

Recommend you use FreeBSD for a while, and you probably won't want to go back to Linux anyway...

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (4, Funny)

MadFarmAnimalz (460972) | about 12 years ago | (#4425076)

That is, I suspect, a little like thinking that it might be nice to affix Pamela Anderson's knockers to Natalie Portman's front side.

Nice idea, in other words, but perhaps not something modern medicine is up to just yet.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (4, Funny)

Gendou (234091) | about 12 years ago | (#4425322)

That is, I suspect, a little like thinking that it might be nice to affix Pamela Anderson's knockers to Natalie Portman's front side.

Blasphemy. This outrage will not go unanswered. Have you no concept of balance, symmetry, proportion, applied aesthetics, and physical/spiritual curvature??

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (5, Interesting)

aridhol (112307) | about 12 years ago | (#4425095)

Depending on your viewpoint, one of my "major advantages" to the BSD system may be a disadvantage to you. And it wouldn't translate well to Linux.

If you get FreeBSD 4.7, it is exactly the same as anybody else's FreeBSD 4.7 in terms of included software. There's no RedHat FreeBSD, SuSE FreeBSD, Debian FreeBSD, etc. It's just FreeBSD.

Now if only they could get that NVidia driver [netexplorer.org] working, it would be perfect.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425217)



Yeah! Imagine if some wackos came out with other versions of BSD, they might name them openBSD, NetBSD, NotLinuxBSD, OS X, etc.

Good thing there's just one BSD. Imagine if they followed Linux's bad example!

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (2)

aridhol (112307) | about 12 years ago | (#4425293)

Point conceded.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (5, Informative)

dsb3 (129585) | about 12 years ago | (#4425288)

> There's no RedHat FreeBSD, SuSE FreeBSD, Debian FreeBSD, etc. It's just FreeBSD.

Um. Actually there *is* Debian/FreeBSD. You can find more details here: http://www.debian.org/ports/freebsd/

That said, I do agree with your original point.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (2, Insightful)

AKnightCowboy (608632) | about 12 years ago | (#4425309)

If you get FreeBSD 4.7, it is exactly the same as anybody else's FreeBSD 4.7 in terms of included software. There's no RedHat FreeBSD, SuSE FreeBSD, Debian FreeBSD, etc. It's just FreeBSD. Now if only they could get that NVidia driver working, it would be perfect.

That's kind of funny. The nvidia driver works fine under x86 Linux. What it really comes down to is you can have 15,000 different Linux distributions but they're all basically the same when it comes to kernel, libraries, X distribution, etc. So, getting the Nvidia driver to work under Debian is just as easy as getting it working under Red Hat or Mandrake. FreeBSD on the other hand seems to be a stable solid target with a well supported standard configuration base yet it has much less driver support available for it. Why is that? Less users spurring development I suppose.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (3, Informative)

aridhol (112307) | about 12 years ago | (#4425358)

Less users spurring development I suppose.
I think that's exactly it. NVidia has released binary-only drivers for Linux and Windows, but not for any other OS. They claim that they can't release the source because part of it is licenced from another source (can't remember who), and that they aren't licenced to release it.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (5, Insightful)

albat0r (526414) | about 12 years ago | (#4425130)

Yes, very good idea! And after that, we can take the best every Desktop and window manager and do a "single best-of-breed" Free Desktop Environment. But don't forget to also take the best from every good free Office Suite, so wea can have the "The-Only-Free-Good-Secure-Godlike Office Suite(tm)" to put into your distribution!

And why stop now? Merge Mozilla/Konqueror/Opera to create the "Super-Duper-Magical Internet & File browser(tm)" too!

Damn, I think we have a winner in that product! Maybe we should call it Windows XP?


Really, I often read on /. about how great it could be if we stopped competion in open source and instead do a "only one" great app that take the best of all that currently exist. The problem here is that the idea you have about the "great one" isn't the same that I have or that everybody else has.

I don't want a "single best-of-breed Free Unix distribution" just because such a thing isn't possible. So instead of having only one distribution "to bind them all", I prefer having the choice between a lot of good and different ones.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (1)

MrHanky (141717) | about 12 years ago | (#4425138)

My experience is FreeBSD is a bit faster, at least on slow hardware, so it definately has it's place. But you can't just take the two kernels and merge them (although it has happened that code from FreeBSD has been stolen by linux hackers).

However, FreeBSD does have quite good Linux emulation, and Debian has ports to all the free BSDs on the way. That will probably give you a GNU userspace on a BSD kernel.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425197)

How do you steal code from FreeBSD? I thought that FreeBSD was exactly that: Free, and released under a BSD licence. Boy did they misnomer that OS then!
I guess the real name should be NaziOS. It's Hitleriffic!

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425241)

Score: -1 JPS (Just Plain Stupid)

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425292)

I say we merge this ranking into the slashdot source! Then we can port it to BSD and rip it off for the linux kernel!

I'm feeling generous: -1 JPS's for everyone!

GET BENT!

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (2, Informative)

akharon (4824) | about 12 years ago | (#4425300)

Um, there was an article awhile back on the highpoint driver being stolen. Stolen, meaning that the BSD license wasn't adhered to, as credit wasn't given to the original author.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (5, Informative)

b0r1s (170449) | about 12 years ago | (#4425150)

Many will argue that FreeBSD is still more stable than linux. That is debateable, but I think a case could be made either way. Much of the difference is due to preference (some of it is due to the dislike of the GPL by many, many people).

The advantages of FreeBSD over Linux is:
  • Complete control of ENTIRE operating system. With a few exceptions, tools in the base systems are BSD derived rather than GNU tools. This prevents the FSF people from calling it "GNU/FreeBSD", and allows the contributors to the operating system the ability to modify userland tools to better integrate with the kernel.
  • Incredibly well developed updating system. The CVSup setup employed by FreeBSD is simply unmatched by anything linux has. Yes, Redhat allows you to grab new kernel RPMs, and debian allows you to apt-get kernels, but FreeBSD is designed to be updated often ('updated' means the entire source heirarchy, if need by), and the system in place makes this possible. When you also consider that a single 'make buildworld' followed by an NFS mount, and multiple 'make installworld's on other machines can update an entire server farm to a custom built OS, you'll realize that linux can not compete with the level of customization that to which FreeBSD administrators have become acustomed.
  • Make tools that make developing nice. Things like <bsd.port.mk> et. al. have no rivals in the linux world. Creating kernel makefiles becomes trivial; a simple include statement handles 90% of the grunt work involved in writing makefiles.
  • Freedom from the GPL. Like it or not, most corporations do not want to give away all of their work to their competitors if they ever decide to release a product that required modification to the OS.


Yes, linux is nice ... for the desktop. But I'd still prefer FreeBSD in the rack, or in any corporate situation.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (2, Informative)

Deth_Master (598324) | about 12 years ago | (#4425230)

Incredibly well developed updating system
the entire source heirarchy, if need be

Check out SourceMage [sourcemage.org] . This is a linux distro that, with a little work, is always the most up to date Linux distro Ever. You get the source from many different locations, and it's the latest stable version. It also has a nifty theme to it, Magic. You "cast"(install) "spells"(programs) and it downloads the source and compiles and installs it, and creates logs of all that happens. You can "dispel"(uninstall) it. you can "gaze" into the "grimoire"(list of spells). Even if you only get it because you can cast xfree86 or cast linux itself, its fun!

ok made my monthly advertising requirement... :P

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (2, Funny)

Twirlip of the Mists (615030) | about 12 years ago | (#4425371)

Check out SourceMage... It also has a nifty theme to it, Magic. You "cast"(install) "spells"(programs) and it downloads the source and compiles and installs it, and creates logs of all that happens. You can "dispel"(uninstall) it. you can "gaze" into the "grimoire"(list of spells).

Look, I know we're talking about compiling kernels and whatnot, so none of us is exactly the most popular kid in school, if you know what I mean. But this is just embarrassing. I mean, there's such a thing as taking role playing games too far, you know?

This is incredibly geeky, even by my standards.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (5, Insightful)

CoolVibe (11466) | about 12 years ago | (#4425330)

You forgot one:
  • The ability to make your own custom releases

Seriously. I have several custom ISO's I made for myself for easy deployment of boxes. They all cvsup after install, and then install a ream of ports suited to the purpose of the machine. Like a webserver, database server etc. Complete with a scripted sysinstall! It's very easy to do. "make release" is my bitch :)

Boot from the CD, partition/label, go have coffee and return to a machine ready to deploy. I love it.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425248)

No, there isn't much likelihood of that, because "best of breed" isn't a sensible goal. Different people want different things.

For example, some people want lots of developers adding lots of bleeding edge features. And some people want every line of code audited and tested for months. Conflicting goals.

Some people want a good UI. Some people want a Windows clone. Conflicting goals.

Some people want init scripts to be intuitive. Some people like System V.

What would your "best of breed" Unix be like? Whatever you come up with, someone is going to say, "That sucks worse than Linux and worse than FreeBSD." And then other people will agree with you.

It just doesn't make sense.

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (1)

hyperturbopete (168434) | about 12 years ago | (#4425306)

This is already happening, in a way.

To combine the best features of A and B you don't necessarily have to merge the projects. When an especially good component comes out for BSD, it will probably get included or cloned for the linux distros, and vice versa. Open source makes this trivial. There are some details- due to BSD vs GPL licensing, stuff might end up in "contrib" rather than the core, but that doesn't affect functionality.

The only differences left are the BSD/GPL licenses themselves (a timeless debate), and the "architecture"... which is becoming more flexible- more stuff can go in loadable kernel modules, etc.

so what's left?

package management and configuration? Personally I think BSD wins on configuration, 90% of the stuff you end up changing is in /etc/rc.conf

as for package management, I think its a tossup- apt-get Foo
vs
cd /usr/ports/Foo/Bar && make install

ALSO, FreeBSD runs linux binaries, it has a linux compatibility layer, and I'm pretty sure you can use rpm and apt on on BSD. So if you like it on linux, odds are it'll work right away on BSD.

I've been using FreeBSD since 3.3. At the time, on some rare occasions, a package wouldn't work and you'd have to spend like 10-15 minutes fixing something trivial to make it run or build. I have had zero problems in this department since FreeBSD 4.1,

CONCLUSION: if you want the best* free unix, get FreeBSD! But if you like unix, it'll be, for the most part, just as good.

* - i'm not really talking about the best desktop

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (1)

hyperturbopete (168434) | about 12 years ago | (#4425344)

er, i meant to say- if you like linux!

oh and yes that last line is an open invitation to get my ass proved wrong. Which is fine, I love BSD and I want it to be better :-)

-pete

Re:What is the relevance of FreeBSD today? (1)

ctr2sprt (574731) | about 12 years ago | (#4425337)

I understand there's already a good bit of cross-pollination going on between all the free OSes. But except for that, I don't think there's much chance. The Debian crowd is looking into something like this, but I don't really see the point; it'd be Debian GNU/FreeBSD (that is, FBSD kernel, GNU everything else, Debian package management), and I don't see any benefit to using the GNU tools over the regular FreeBSD ones. apt-get would be somewhat nice, but pkg_add and the ports collection aren't so terrible that there's really a pressing need for anything better.

That said, I really just dislike Linux. It's not a hatred or even a very strong dislike; I'm running Linux right now, and I certainly don't mind it. I just wanted to mention it in case I'm slipping in any accidental bias.

The best of the best (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425399)

I was laid off in 2000, but up until then I worked as a designer in Heaven for God. I had a lot of experience, and when my AK47 arrives in the mail, I think a lot of people at the old office are going to understand that you just don't lay people off like that. But that's another story. Let me tell you about something I learned in the old days...

The guy in the cubicle next to me was working on a big cat. It wasn't as big as a tiger, but he learned that by making it a little smaller, he could increase efficiency. And the big breakthrough was that he wired their brains in such a way that they would work as a team. In the tryouts, these animals hunted very well and the guy was proud as hell. We even named the group "pride."

He said it was the best animal ever. That's how far his pride went.

I was working on a different animal that worked very differently. And while I thought his was ok, I thought mine was better, so I challenged him. We decided to have a hunt-off to see whose creation was better.

I cheated. I got to pick the place.

So imagine the look on his face when my creation, the shark, utterly kicked ass, while his lions drowned under hundreds of feet of water. What a magnificent beast they are on land, but they are pathetic in the sea.

You can imagine how the rematch went. My shark just laid there on the savannah plains, while his lions showed how hunting water buffalo is really done. That was a pretty dirty trick, actually. I mean, really: "Water Buffalo hunting contest." Who knew?

What did we learn? We learned that there are niches. Something that works very well in one context doesn't work too well in another. Diverse needs result in diverse ways of addressing those needs.

freeBSD update schedule (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425006)

How often does an update for freeBSD come out? Is this a very rare occurrence?

Re:freeBSD update schedule (5, Informative)

lertl (455570) | about 12 years ago | (#4425078)

Usually there is a release every four months or so. You can check the Release Engineering page at http://www.freebsd.org/releng/index.html.

Re:freeBSD update schedule (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425109)

Well, this is the 4.7th release, and the first release(1.0) was November 1993. That's 4.7 releases over 9 years.
So, if you do the math, 4.7 / 9 = 0.522222 releases/year, or approximately 1 release every two years. So it is a bit rare.

The Evil Empire on Linux Today (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425010)

I know this is off topic, but I feel obliged to comment. Earlier today I saw a Microsoft advertisement on the masthead at Linux Today. While I watched it disappeared and was replaced with another. I tried to post a couple of comments about it, but neither of them were posted and I haven't heard anything from LT. Did anyone else see the M$ advert, or was I dreaming?

Why run *BSD (-1, Troll)

Debianista (615251) | about 12 years ago | (#4425011)

When you can run Debian? Might be worth considering if they port apt-get. -D

Re:Why run *BSD (1)

jolan (187075) | about 12 years ago | (#4425114)

Why use a deficient application building system when there is already the ports infrastructure?

Re:Why run *BSD (4, Insightful)

Hoxworth (570683) | about 12 years ago | (#4425129)

The FreeBSD ports and packages systems are, in my opinion, far better than the apt_get system that Debian uses. Combine this with an operating system that worries more about performance and raw power than "getting put on the desktop", and you have an easy to manage server at your fingertips.

Re:Why run *BSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425176)

yeah.. whoo.. its so hard to apt-get update && apt-get upgrade (for bug fixes & security upgrades, mind you)a Debian Stable release.

Re:Why run *BSD (1)

rsax (603351) | about 12 years ago | (#4425188)

So my question to you would be, why bother posting comments like that in the BSD section of /. when you could better spend time using Debian? It's obvious you have no interest in BSD, I'll let you know when they port apt-get over to pique your interest.

You have it backwards (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425400)

There's Debian/FreeBSD [slashdot.org]

The link is provided to credit the first guy to note it.

uhm..., (-1)

f97tosc (578893) | about 12 years ago | (#4425013)

What is 'FreeBSD'?

But the real question is... (-1, Troll)

albat0r (526414) | about 12 years ago | (#4425015)

Does it run Linux now?

*doh*

Re:But the real question is... (5, Funny)

jolan (187075) | about 12 years ago | (#4425093)

Actually, it has run Linux for awhile.

http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books /h andbook/linuxemu.html

Isn't it great when you're trying to be a smart ass, but there's actually a serious answer?

Re:But the real question is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425195)

Linux is a kernel, ya dork.

Easy solution: (1)

modecx (130548) | about 12 years ago | (#4425284)

Run VMware in Linux compatibility mode, and install a Linux distro on a VMware image. Voila, Linux ala FreeBSD.

This is the funny part... (5, Interesting)

big_groo (237634) | about 12 years ago | (#4425279)

'It is also reported that in some situations, Linux binaries perform better on FreeBSD than they do under Linux.'

Yay! (1)

cattlepr0d (195325) | about 12 years ago | (#4425020)

The best OS in the world just got even better. Shame it hasn't reached the UK CVS mirrors yet...

My personal favorite addition... (5, Funny)

splume (560873) | about 12 years ago | (#4425026)

nice(1) now uses the -n option to specify the ``niceness'' of the utility being run.

Doesn't that just sound like a happy command?

Re:My personal favorite addition... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425145)

I'm all out of nice. When will we get a mean command?

Re:My personal favorite addition... (2)

CoolVibe (11466) | about 12 years ago | (#4425242)

do you really need a mean(1)? Just be negaitively nice :)

Mirrors (5, Informative)

aridhol (112307) | about 12 years ago | (#4425042)

Instead of pointing to the front page, it may be more useful to point at the mirror list [freebsdmirrors.org] .

Heh jsut in time :) (3, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 12 years ago | (#4425060)

I think its a good thing i didnt buy 4.6 from the London (UK) Linux Expo then isnt it :)

No, dont ask me why they were selling BSD (quite heavily actually) along side Linux on most stalls.

Oh, and a note to KDE and Gnome teams, having blank stalls with two spotty kids sitting at laptops, with no promotional items or banners or posters really isnt a good way to promote your product guys. (And believe it or not, they were sat next to each other, AND NOT FIGHTING ;) )

Re:Heh jsut in time :) (5, Informative)

DoctorPepper (92269) | about 12 years ago | (#4425144)

Why is that a good thing? Hell, once you install a FreeBSD distribution, you never have to install another one on the same computer again (assuming you don't mess it up :-). Just point your cvsfile at the branch you wish (RELENG_4 in this case) and do a buildworld, and voila! You will have FreeBSD 4.7.

Re:Heh jsut in time :) (3, Informative)

b0r1s (170449) | about 12 years ago | (#4425193)

While I agree with most of what you said, I dislike tracking -stable.

It's far better to track the latest release. Setting the tag to "RELENG_4_7_0" would allow you to grab the exact sources used to build the 4.7 cd, AND any security updates as they come out.

Stable is fine, for home users, but some of the patches MFC'd aren't quite as stable as they should be for production equipment.

Re:Heh jsut in time :) (1)

DoctorPepper (92269) | about 12 years ago | (#4425265)

Very true. I tend to track the current release on my server, which helps keep it stable and bug free :-), while I track -stable on my desktop system... because I can ;-)

Re:Heh jsut in time :) (2, Informative)

akharon (4824) | about 12 years ago | (#4425377)

It is better to track RELENG_4_7, as you then get all the bugfixes and security updates, but none of the tweaks that accompany RELENG_4.

Re:Heh jsut in time :) (2)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 12 years ago | (#4425296)

Its a bad thing cause it means more to download. I got home from the Expo, and a mate had already gotten hold of 4.7, so i had the cds. All i have to download now is updates as opposed to the whole cvs tree for 4.7.

Oh and just so you know, i use openBSD extensivly so i know what im talking about and not just mumbling ;)

Re:Heh jsut in time :) (1)

DoctorPepper (92269) | about 12 years ago | (#4425339)

I guess I'm spoiled by my ADSL line, the process of running cvsup on my computers doesn't take more than a few minutes. I suppose if I were using a dial-up, it would take quite a while longer.

Either way, I will schedule my cvsup for this weekend, and run my buildworld then. It's much faster than downloading and installing a new ISO image.

FreeBSD running behind linux? (1, Troll)

Deth_Master (598324) | about 12 years ago | (#4425084)

It seems to me, from reading the release notes, that FreeBSD is running behind Linux on the support side. I am seeing things that are being released for FreeBSD that have been released for Linux, in the stable environment, for quite a while now (unfortunately I cannot provide exact dates.) I'm just wondering what the major benefit of using FreeBSD is. Linux has been the most stable OS I have yet to use. I haven't tried FreeBSD, yet. Perhaps I'll put this new distro on one of my junky PIIs or something.

I have heard (rumors) that FreeBSD is the most amazing OS to exist; that it's much more stable than Linux will ever be. Just curious if it's for the Uber-Geek people. I put myself in that category and am wondering if I need it to complete my Uber-Geekness. :)

Re:FreeBSD running behind linux? (1)

jolan (187075) | about 12 years ago | (#4425141)

It seems to me, from reading the release notes, that FreeBSD is running behind Linux on the support side. I am seeing things that are being released for FreeBSD that have been released for Linux, in the stable environment, for quite a while now (unfortunately I cannot provide exact dates.)

How about providing an example of what you're talking about then?

Re:FreeBSD running behind linux? (1)

Deth_Master (598324) | about 12 years ago | (#4425326)

from the release notes:
The ata(4) driver now has support for the Sil 0680 and VIA 8233/8235 controllers
from the Changelog for at kernel.org [http]
(02/03/29 1.307) [PATCH] Update the VIA driver to support the vt8233a

This is the example that would apply to me. I have this chipset, and I've been using Linux, since before it had support, and it was moderately annoying because I couldn't use the ATA133 that my drives and chipset supported.

PS: I'm surprised that I got modded down for that other post. I was trying to be funny :(
Superbeast (Rob Zombie) - "Hell yeah! I'm the one that you wanted!
Hell yeah! I'm the UberGeek!"

Re:FreeBSD running behind linux? (5, Informative)

Hoxworth (570683) | about 12 years ago | (#4425192)

I suggest trying it out. If by support you are referring to hardware, it is true that FreeBSD is not as heavily advanced as Linux. FreeBSD is built more as a server operating system than a desktop operating system, and as such, the developers are more worried about producing a stable operating system and hardening the actual core than providing driver support for the latest and greatest soundcard. Don't get me wrong, they do have an excellent list of supported hardware. In my experience, FreeBSD has been able to utilize my system a heck of a lot better than Linux ever has. Large X processes seem to always have no problem running simultaneously with 3-4 builds taking place in the background. Even binaries built for Linux run at incredible speed; as stated on the FreeBSD website, Linux binaries can even run faster on a FreeBSD machine using Linux emulation than Linux itself can run it. I'm not going to get into a holy war over which operating system is better, because they both definitely have their ups and downs. I do suggest, however, to give FreeBSD a try if you are interested in seeing what it can do.

I love FreeBSD stories. (-1, Offtopic)

io333 (574963) | about 12 years ago | (#4425162)

They are the only ones I ever browse at -1. There's no better troll than a freebsd troll!

no java? who cares (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425205)

I love FreeBSD b/c of it's security and it's great ports system. I wish there was a linux distro on par with those two aspects of FreeBSD. But the one problem with FreeBSD for me?

No native JDK 1.4.

It's on linux, windows and solaris. The announcment of the license thingy with Sun came out 12/01 and I haven't heard anything yet.

Still no CARDBUS support yet? (4, Insightful)

fialar (1545) | about 12 years ago | (#4425209)

How come FreeBSD has no cardbus support?
That's the only thing keeping me from running it on my laptop.

Re:Still no CARDBUS support yet? (5, Informative)

CoolVibe (11466) | about 12 years ago | (#4425272)

FreeBSD has cardbus support, but you'd have to dare to run the CURRENT branch. CURRENT is now having a big overall nouw ith the recent additions of the new KSE threading and GEOM, so I'd just wait for a bit until everything in CURRENT dampens out a bit.

CURRENT is going to rock when it goes STABLE.

Re:Still no CARDBUS support yet? (1)

CoolVibe (11466) | about 12 years ago | (#4425394)

Gack, my typing is shitty today...

sed -e s/CURRENT is now having a big overall nouw ith/CURRENT is now having a big overhaul with/

I need more coffee...

Re:Still no CARDBUS support yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425273)

I've wondered the same thing myself. OpenBSD has it, why not FreeBSD?

Re:Still no CARDBUS support yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425277)

May I suggest running Windows 2000?

BSD is dead. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425225)

Haven't you heard?

No thanks (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425227)

I get lots of free BSD's already with Windows

Re:No thanks (0, Offtopic)

Icefyre (615125) | about 12 years ago | (#4425294)

True... m$ does seem to hold a monopoly on BSDs, though I'm not sure most people mind limiting that particular feature.

Breaking News! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425281)

It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying

One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.

You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.

FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.

Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.

OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.

Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.

All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.

Fact: *BSD is dying

Re:BSD is dying (-1, Offtopic)

I'm not a script (612110) | about 12 years ago | (#4425325)

Yeah I should really put a sign on my dick saying 'choking hazard'.

OFF-TOPIC. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425410)

Your post is off-topic because it doesn't have anything to do with how much of a pedophile faggot Scott Lockwood is.

Its been released... (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4425283)

so why is the article called "Free BSD"?

cha ching! Tasteless humor!

Ehem... (0)

lmfr (567586) | about 12 years ago | (#4425301)

I thought *BSD weren't so for the masses, so why the '-n' for cp and mv when you have yes?

still no native java for freebsd (0, Redundant)

single_user_mode (414420) | about 12 years ago | (#4425361)

another release goes by...

BSD ? (3, Interesting)

AresTheImpaler (570208) | about 12 years ago | (#4425383)

I want to try BSD... but have some questions before doing so. My computer has both win xp and linux. I am going to buy another hard disk to put freebsd. Can I boot bsd with grub? also... Can anyone please tell me why some people prefer bsd from linux? doesn't linux have more support? does unreal tournament run under bsd(I don't thinks so)? I'm a bsd newbie but been using linux for about 2 years. What differences would I find? thanks

openbsd pre-order is out (0, Offtopic)

raffe (28595) | about 12 years ago | (#4425441)

OpenBSD 3.2 will be released on November 1, and pre-orders have started! Check openbsd.org [openbsd.org]

The only problem... (5, Interesting)

Sp4c3 C4d3t (607082) | about 12 years ago | (#4425445)

I love FreeBSD. I would run it in place of Linux... but my Audigy doesn't work. And I don't have accelerated nvidia drivers (though I did read something about those coming to FreeBSD?). But the nvidia issue isn't important... I need sound, and that's all there is to it... and I refuse to use those payware drivers that apparently don't support the digital out on the card.

gcc 3? (4, Interesting)

Ashish Kulkarni (454988) | about 12 years ago | (#4425465)

just a curiosity...what is the reason that all the *BSDs are sticking to gcc2.95.x? I know that Linux has been using gcc3.2 for quite a bit of time now, and it can be considered somewhat stable.
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