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Another iPod Competitor

timothy posted about 12 years ago | from the looks-worthy dept.

Hardware 413

rael9real writes "NOMAD has intoduced a new player. It has USB 2 and FireWire (finally), and supports WMA and MP3. It has a 20GB drive like the high-end iPod, and supposedly holds more music because it supports WMA (though why someone would want to use WMA is beyond me). It *is* cheaper than the iPod, though. Looks like a definite competitor. Maybe it'll drive iPod pricing down." Update: 10/14 21:21 GMT by T : Note that the listed specs for the player mention only "USB," not USB 2.

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ahh... (-1)

confucio-licious (555476) | about 12 years ago | (#4447840)

nothing like a fat line of crystal methamphetamine to start the day!

and (-1, Offtopic)

anonymous coword (615639) | about 12 years ago | (#4447851)

They will make a "switch" campaign for it as well.

prostityootka! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447852)

govorit meenya zavoot, syeka!

Gotta say it... (5, Insightful)

Drunken Coward (574991) | about 12 years ago | (#4447856)

Will it support Ogg Vorbis?

Re:Gotta say it... (-1, Flamebait)

anonymous coword (615639) | about 12 years ago | (#4447884)

slogg vorbis is shit. Stop whining about your fucking audio codec that no one will ever fucking suport because no one wants it. MP3 is the standard and ogg will fade away into nothing.

Re:Gotta say it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447953)

I find it amusing how you can be a complete karma whore in one post, and a magical troll in others. Good job, man. Good job.

You're obviously an uninformed zealot (5, Informative)

Brigadoon (520066) | about 12 years ago | (#4448108)

slogg vorbis is shit. Stop whining about your fucking audio codec that no one will ever fucking suport because no one wants it. MP3 is the standard and ogg will fade away into nothing.

Firstly, how can a codec that's gaining momentum "fade into nothing"? It's not mainstream now, but neither were computers, UNIX, digital audio, etc.

Second, more and more companies are picking up OGG Vorbis support. Why is that? Well, let's see. It's a completely FREE codec that is continually getting better. It's supported by an organization that's dedicated to creating free multimedia codecs for use in open, free, and commercial use -- all without charging a cent. Most importantly, however, OGG Vorbis IS superior to WMA and MP3. If you think otherwise, try looking into some of the various [codecreview.com] listening [internet.com] tests [symonds.net] . Or check out Vorbis' Listen page [xiph.org] . If you're such a blind zealot that you won't actually test various codecs, you have no right to praise or flame any codec for any reason.

Grow up and leave the technology details to people who know what they're doing and talking about.

Re:Gotta say it... (5, Informative)

sweetooth (21075) | about 12 years ago | (#4447966)

Go read the specifications, it's not listed. Only mp3 and wma are listed.
specs [nomadworld.com]

Is this friggin Apple day? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447857)

Look, Apple is great and all, but how many Apple related stories does Slashdot need in one day? There's a whole Apple section for people that want them. Maybe the rumors about Apple buying OSDN are true.

Re:Is this friggin Apple day? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447968)

No!!!

Slashdot is stopping me from becoming ill, since an apple a day keeps the doctor away.

Therefore, if I don't read Slashdot every day, I will be ill, and have to go to hospital.

Thanks, Slashdot!

Re:Is this friggin Apple day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447976)

This isn't about Apple, it's about another company making a product that may compete with Apple's iPod. Get over it.

Re:Is this friggin Apple day? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448028)

Keywords: "Apple related"

Apple makes iPod, this competes with iPod, therefore it is Apple related.

Wow! (-1, Redundant)

teamhasnoi (554944) | about 12 years ago | (#4447862)

Imagine a cluster of Donald Beckers listening to Beowulf on these!

Does it support OGG? (-1)

Patrick Bateman (175284) | about 12 years ago | (#4447864)

What about Beowulf clustering?

You stupid slashdot dorks sure are braindead. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447865)

404 File Not Found
The requested URL (articles/02/10/14/199201.shtml?tid=137) was not found.

If you feel like it, mail the url, and where ya came from to pater@slashdot.org.

Also, WTF is there no obligatory mention of OGGGGGGGGGGGGGG and shit?

Modded down in less than 30 seconds. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447910)

Amazing... and they fixed the link. I'm sure that's a coincidence.

Fucking worthless editors.

iPod fun not just music... (5, Insightful)

guacamolefoo (577448) | about 12 years ago | (#4447867)

...part of the fun is doing other stuff with it and the community/culture of hacking it to do other stuff besides just play MP3 files. How much fun will the Nomad provide, and will it be able to generate the same sort of interest?

And oh yeah...what about ogg? (sheesh)

guac-foo

Re:iPod fun not just music... (4, Insightful)

sweetooth (21075) | about 12 years ago | (#4448007)

I don't see why you couldn't do the same things with the Nomad. What's differant is that Apple supported additional features out of the starting gate while Creative doesn't appear to. Also, Apple has great software support for the iPod. iTunes is a very nice piece of software, and frankly Creative Play Center is crap IMO. The interface is clunky and overcomplicated. As far as Ogg goes I don't think we'll see it on any of the Nomads right now. Then again, it's not on the iPod either.

damn you (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447869)

Second post....

Can you fill a sandbox with them and rake them into exciting spiritual patterns?

20 GB hard drive? (3, Interesting)

gpinzone (531794) | about 12 years ago | (#4447876)

One of the nice things about the iPod was the fact that it is essentially a firewire hard drive. You can put anything on it. It also has a very weak system to prevent music from being copied from the iPod back to the computer. How about this player? Will I be able to jockey files back and forth between my friend's computer and my own?

Re:20 GB hard drive? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447917)

Please take your juvenile quest for piracy elsewhere. It's not wanted here.

Re:20 GB hard drive? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447931)

Please take your juvenile quest for piracy elsewhere. It's not wanted here.

Fag.

Re:20 GB hard drive? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447938)

Fag.

Fucktard.

Re:20 GB hard drive? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447998)

Fucktard.

Outlook user.

Re:20 GB hard drive? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448089)

Outlook user.

Liberal

Re:20 GB hard drive? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448105)

Liberal

Shit. You've got me there. I've got no comeback for that one. Can we be friends now?

Re:20 GB hard drive? (4, Informative)

DCram (459805) | about 12 years ago | (#4447949)

From the add:
"Use your Zen to transfer files from your home computer to work or school by using the Zen as a portable hard drive."

And the price is the same as the IPod after "rebate" read 8 months to get your money.

Re:20 GB hard drive? (3, Insightful)

guacamolefoo (577448) | about 12 years ago | (#4448059)

Will I be able to jockey files back and forth between my friend's computer and my own?

To do this, why not just get a USB external drive enclosure for IDE drives or for old laptop drives(around $25-$30) and an old el-cheapo laptop hard drive from a computer show? For about $50, you can get several megs of file jockeying. No need to barf up $300 for an audio device to do this. Maybe to kill two birds with one stone, but just for sheer jockeying, it's not worth it.

guac-foo

OGG! (5, Insightful)

c0wh (445032) | about 12 years ago | (#4447882)

I would buy this as soon as possible if it played OGG. I suppose we need to make it clear to the manufacturers that OGG support would be beneficial to sales.

Perhaps we just need to give OGG time to become more pervasive.

Re:OGG! (1, Insightful)

JJAnon (180699) | about 12 years ago | (#4447977)

OGG support will not be beneficial to sales. The typical buyer doesn't give a rat's ass whether a player plays OGG files or not. All s/he cares about is how little effort it takes to get it to work with his/her home setup. And unfortunately, WMA and MP3 require minimal effort.

Re:OGG! (2)

sweetooth (21075) | about 12 years ago | (#4448049)

Isn't that a chicken and egg problem? How does Ogg Vorbis become more pervasive if all consumer appliances and software like this support mp3 but not Ogg Vorbis out of the box? If this supported Ogg Vorbis out of the box you might see more people ripping cd's to Ogg Vorbis or at least visiting the website to find out what the hell this Ogg Vorbis thingy is.

Maybe I'm blind... (1)

AmbientNightmare (595391) | about 12 years ago | (#4447886)

I may just be stupid, but where is the release date for this thing....and where is the price? I couldn't find that info anywhere....

Re:Maybe I'm blind... (5, Informative)

guacamolefoo (577448) | about 12 years ago | (#4447942)

per Creative [creative.com] , it is $299+s/h after a rebate.

The price info is pretty well buried. Had to "find a retailer" to get it.

guac-foo

Re:Maybe I'm blind... (1)

dlb (17444) | about 12 years ago | (#4447960)


You can buy it right off their website.
They claim that they have it in stock...

Shock absorbtion? (4, Interesting)

ccano (22282) | about 12 years ago | (#4447891)

I wonder how shock absorbent this guy is -- if I take it running and shake it around a lot, how long is this thing going to last before I mess up the hard drive or something?

Re:Shock absorbtion? (3, Informative)

MImeKillEr (445828) | about 12 years ago | (#4448096)

Well, its essentially a slimline harddrive. I have no idea what the buffer is on it, so heavy shaking's going to make it skip and possibly damage the platter and/or head.

They've got 512MB solid-state USB memory keys (think: DiskOnKey) that you can play audio/video from on your PC. I imagine it won't be too long before they've got a decent 1GB+ storage chip that someone could put into a portable audio device like this. I'd hope it would be cheaper too.

I've got an el-cheapo JaMP3 simply because it cost me $20. The 64MB MMC disk cost me another $80, so I've got a whopping 80MB of MP3 storage. Sure, I can shrink the bitrates down using DietMP3 and the quality's going to suck, but I'm not about to shell out $300 for an MP3 player..

you confuse me (2, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | about 12 years ago | (#4447897)

> ... holds more music because it supports WMA (though why someone would want to use WMA is beyond me).

Uhm, because it holds more music?

geesh.

Re:you confuse me (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447999)

The average car can hold you and four supermodels, or you and three dozen rabid, incontinent weasles.

So you want the weasles, right? More of something is automatically better.

If It Supports .WMA.... (2, Insightful)

Zech Harvey (604609) | about 12 years ago | (#4447898)

Will it support DRM-only transfers/songs?

"Zen" and the art of what-its-missing (0, Redundant)

He Was Gamecubed (615114) | about 12 years ago | (#4447902)

I'm sure it's been said many times on slashdot, but i refuse to purchase a Portable Audio Jukebox, unless it can also act as a Vorbis player. When that time comes, i won't mind shelling out even a bit extra for Vorbis support.

Re:"Zen" and the art of what-its-missing (0, Flamebait)

Busty Amateur (597875) | about 12 years ago | (#4448026)

You and the formidable mass of 10,000 other geeks will surely make an impact on a society which has embraced the MP3 format. And it's not like OGG offers lossless compression, either, so you can't even claim that advantage over MP3s.

So stop trying to be cool by endorsing a format which will never be accepted because it doesn't offer technological advantages.

WMA isn't *terrible* (5, Insightful)

ColGraff (454761) | about 12 years ago | (#4447903)

It's worth pointing out that, if you're just ripping your own CDs, WMA isn't a *terrible* format. It's reasonable size, reasonable quality. It can't compare to a quality ten ogg vorbis file, but then again I don't believe it's meant to. For portable devices, it almost makes sense - except, of course, for the lack of linux support. And if you want to do anything involving sharing music and putting it on your player, than of course the WMA DRM features can be - but aren't always - a problem.

Re:WMA isn't *terrible* (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448019)


It's worth pointing out that, if you're just ripping your own CDs, WMA isn't a *terrible* format



That is until Microsoft changes the file format to lock out all the competition.


Re:WMA isn't *terrible* (4, Insightful)

lunenburg (37393) | about 12 years ago | (#4448086)

That is until Microsoft changes the file format to lock out all the competition.

...or implements DRM measures to lock you out!

Another thing... (0, Flamebait)

MattCohn.com (555899) | about 12 years ago | (#4447913)

Anotherng that will hold the iPod is it's exclisive Macintosh support. Now, I'm not trying to troll, but if they wanted the iPod to gain market share they would have it support all of the major platforms, much like how Microsoft is developing Office for OSX. Now, if they wanted to only use the iPod as a tool to bring people to Macintosh exclusivly, then it was a good idea; however they should have accepted that as more products became availible they would gain in popularity.

It's not exclusive. was Re:Another thing... (3, Informative)

millia (35740) | about 12 years ago | (#4447950)

It's not exclusive. they have an official windows version now. not to mention all the unofficial unix clients.

Re:Another thing... (1)

cliffjumper222 (229876) | about 12 years ago | (#4447990)

Um, your posting might have been relevant at some point in the past but the iPOD has had Windows versions for quite a while - heck, you can even buy them at CompUSA here. [compusa.com]

Re:Another thing... (4, Informative)

Planesdragon (210349) | about 12 years ago | (#4447992)

Anotherng that will hold the iPod is it's exclisive Macintosh support.

There's an iPod version made specifically for Windows--three of them actually. With a FAT32 file system, Musicmatch 7.1 for access, and even a 6-pin-to-4-pin adapter for the firewire cable.

http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/02q4/021003/ind ex.html [tomshardware.com]

actually, Apple has released PC support (1)

\\ (118555) | about 12 years ago | (#4448000)

"Now availble for Macintosh or Windows" [apple.com] .

If i didn't just buy a powerbook, i would really want one. now that i own a powerbook.. well.. ok, i still really want one.

BUSH = RECESSION (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447919)

Thanks Sadaam.

It's not your fault, but you'll do.

Free female slaves for you (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447920)

Mine Slave [mineslave.co.uk]

Embellished (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447921)

The poster took artistic license and "upgraded" this device to USB 2.0 status, or they simply failed to mention that anywhere on the site..

Why not Ogg Vorbis? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447922)

That would be a guaranteed selling point to 99% of Slashdot readers. How many units sold is that?

Infact, why doesn't somebody produce an Ogg Vorbis only player - I.E. it doesn't play mp3. That way, they would save licensing fees, and since I assume that most players are based on an existing chipset, they could implement a completely new design in silicon. A single chip solution maybe - a watch with 256 MB RAM, an IRDA connection, and a headphone socket, maybe?

Re:Why not Ogg Vorbis? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448051)

99% of Slashdot readers are unemployed highschool losers. They can't afford to buy this kind of device. There is no market for Slashdot readers.

Re:Why not Ogg Vorbis? (5, Insightful)

feldsteins (313201) | about 12 years ago | (#4448079)

Why not Ogg Vorbis?

I think it's because you're radically over-estimating the number of sales that such support would garner. I don't see any reson to doubt that the manufacturers do their homework and weight out whether adding such support would be a financial gain, a loss, risky, etc. A bunch of nerds on slashdot don't have access to the kind of market data that these guys have.

Or at least one would think that they are doing their homework. Is there reason to believe that they haven't? I mean besides a bunch of slashdot nerds claiming that the first manufacturer to build in Ogg support would be rocketed to the top of the heap through the sheer volume of previously untapped sales?

From CDW, price is $399US (2, Informative)

millia (35740) | about 12 years ago | (#4447925)

They didn't have any more info than the press release did, though. They had 1-2 week availability listed.
So it's $100 cheaper than the same size ipod, with USB connectivity and WMA capability.

Re:From CDW, price is $399US (1)

guacamolefoo (577448) | about 12 years ago | (#4447983)

Price from Creative is $299+s/h after rebate [creative.com] .

guac-foo.

Re:From CDW, price is $399US (5, Insightful)

Eccles (932) | about 12 years ago | (#4448106)

So it's $100 cheaper than the same size ipod

With a 90 day warranty, instead of one year. Perhaps they have less confidence in its shock resistance.

Copy Apple... (3, Interesting)

djcatnip (551428) | about 12 years ago | (#4447929)

that's all anyone ever does. Gateway with their commercial of their computer jumping over imacs, ms copying apple's switcher ads, everyone comparing their MP3 players to an ipod... if nothing else, apple innovates ...

Re:Copy Apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447959)

Hey now, Apple is just as happy to steal from other people (ever heard of Xerox Park?) as other people are happy to steal from Apple.

Re:Copy Apple... (1)

RustyTaco (301580) | about 12 years ago | (#4448081)

Yes, they had some good ideas there were going to let rot so Jobs et al ran with them and made something better.

Now, can you find an example after that? Say, maybe in the last 15 YEARS?

- RustyTaco

Re:Copy Apple... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448100)

apple didn't steal nothin' .. it was all above-board, over the table, and legit.

Re:Copy Apple... (1)

CreepyNinja (615245) | about 12 years ago | (#4447988)

Mod the parent up!

Apple innovates? (4, Insightful)

unicorn (8060) | about 12 years ago | (#4448013)

At least with regard to the iPOD, Apple was late to the game. Archos had products on the market LONG before Apple released the iPod.

Keep clinging to the fantasy, that everyone wants to be as innovative as Steve tho.

cheaper? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447934)

I can't find the price anywhere on the site.

Apple related news all over the place (1)

CreepyNinja (615245) | about 12 years ago | (#4447939)

This, the reverse-lame-switch ad by microsoft, Apple buying IBM chips...

The Linux kids must be dying for something about Gnome by now. :-)

Re:Apple related news all over the place (1)

joel_mac (575677) | about 12 years ago | (#4448039)

Yeah, I know; I was thinking ths same thing! The slashdot crowd is becoming more and more Apple friendly. :)

USB power?? (4, Interesting)

psycht (233176) | about 12 years ago | (#4447952)

"You can charge the NOMAD Jukebox Zen via the USB port too!"

hmm. is this a wise thing?
Aside from that, if it IS cheaper than iPOD, then i'm game.

Re:USB power?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447997)

It must charge it at a fairly low current - the total allowed is 500 ma, if I remember correctly.

Having said that, even 50 ma is probably more than enough, it's a solid state device, so it's probably fine.

However, it would be nice to be able to disable it, incase you are using it on a laptop or something, where it doesn't make much sense to charge one battery from another.

Re:USB power?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448015)

Why not? If it doesnt drain too much power in the process (presumably not too different to actually powering the device anyway). Sounds like a great idea - less cables to carry around - multiple charge points.

Umm (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447961)

Umm - did anyone notice that it does not have USB 2.0? So really how useful is it to the hoards of people who don't have firewire? Not very is the right answer. Transferring music over USB 1.1 would take like a day to fill the player.

lot's o room there (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447964)

Why would you need to carry around ~20 gigs of music? The battery would run out before the music would... Is it for the better music selection or quality?
Would it be possible to modify it to use it as a portable hard drive? That would be a whole lot more useful than those 1.44 meg disks or burning a cd.You wouldn't have to worry about having a zip drive or whatnot either.

Re:lot's o room there (2)

afidel (530433) | about 12 years ago | (#4448065)

modify? Why the hell would you need to modify it, it works out of the package as both a usb2 (1.1 too?) hdd or a firewire hdd. The iPod similarly works as a firewire hdd (fat32 for the windows version or hpfs? for the mac version)

A little of both (3, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 12 years ago | (#4448114)

I have a mere 5gb iPod, and yearn for the 20GB - then I would only have to change out content once a month or less. As it is right now, I swap out some songs from time to time as I get tired of them...

I also like to record the MP3's at a fairly high quality so it's nice to have the space to store a lot of quality MP3's.

Of course, what I'd like even more is a player that supported OGG and loading software that supported bitrate reduction so I could squeeze more songs on the thing at a bitrate that made sense for a portable player.

Confusing (5, Interesting)

dachshund (300733) | about 12 years ago | (#4447972)

I don't want an FM tuner and I don't want recording capability. Apple got it just right on that score.

I can't figure out whether this unit features those features, because they're both listed, but "require an optional remote control". Does that mean that the features are built in (and therefore I'm paying for them in terms of extra hardware costs and weight), but can only get to them by buying a stupid remote? Or is the actual functionality built into the remote?

FEFNASP (-1)

I'm not a script (612110) | about 12 years ago | (#4447973)

First Ellen Feiss naked and stoned post !

Nomads used to be hackable (5, Informative)

SoCalChris (573049) | about 12 years ago | (#4447974)

I have a first generation Nomad Jukebox. There are several newsgroups & websites devoted to hacking these, so I'm assuming that the newer ones will be hackable also.

I love my Nomad, with the exception of it's size (Portable CD player size), slow transfer (USB only) and battery life (About 2 hours), but this new player seems to fix all of those. As soon as it has been out a while and prices drop, I would definately love to have one of these.

Ipods are the only way :) (4, Insightful)

Richard_at_work (517087) | about 12 years ago | (#4447978)

I recently bought a ipod (windows 20gb version) after years of using minidiscs. All i can say is they rule. 1 hour charge time to 80%, firewire connectivity, ability to jsut use it as a external harddisk, the interface rocks. And above all they look sweet as well.

Any competitor is going to have to do a lot to beat Apples domination of the market.

If they do bring the ipods price down, it wont be a bad thing. Yes ill probably feel resentful cause i paid more, but what the hell. The morepeople that have iPods the better.

Oh and if you have a Windows Ipod, dont use the enclosed software, use Ephpod [ephpod.com] , a fantastic bit of free software which is so much better than Apples bundled Music Match Jukebox.

Thanks for ignoring me qjkx (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447980)

Ok everyone wants Ogg because we're all libertarians here. I'm all for Ogg, but what about lossless audio? Do any players now play plain old raw bitstream files like .wav?

Re:Thanks for ignoring me qjkx (0, Flamebait)

Vote Libertarian! (613074) | about 12 years ago | (#4448014)

Lossless audio is encumbered by patents, meaning it's illegal to use it. The only way to fix these damn copyright problems is to vote Libertarian. A Libertarian government will let companies do what they want, and the country will be governed by market forces. That means some companies will make audio players that can play copyrighted music. No DRM for us!

Vote Libertarian!

Um, what? qjkx (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448095)

Is this a parody? Libertarianism would abolish IP as that is not a core function of government. I don't know if lossless audio is patented, but I tend to think it isn't--at least uncompressed.

This is great and all but what about the software? (5, Insightful)

Kaypro (35263) | about 12 years ago | (#4447993)

The reason iPod is such a great product is because it integrates perfectly with iTunes. Not only does the hardware interface become a pleasure to use but the software-hardware interface is seamless as well. The real question here is how well thought out is Creative PlayCenter 3. Assuming that Creative made the hardware intuitive AND made organizing/transfering your music to it just as good, then they may have something here, at least for PC users. God knows that the iPod for Windows and MusicMatch Jukebox is just embarassing to use.

Re:This is great and all but what about the softwa (3, Informative)

sweetooth (21075) | about 12 years ago | (#4448102)

I've used Play Center 3 a good bit because it came with my Sound Blaster Audigy, and I can't stand it. Version 3 is better than the older versions, but it's still clunky and over complicated. That's just my opinion of course and others may have had better experiences. Having used both Play Center 3 and iTunes though, I would say that iTunes is much better than Play Center. iTunes just has a ton of thought put into makeing the user interaction with the software as simple as possible.

Just one thing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4447995)

Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

Until someone releases an Ogg Vobis compatible pla (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448005)

I will not buy one. Hell, if iPod support Ogg Vorbis I would
pick one up despite its overinflated price.

A bit about the Zen (5, Informative)

fremen (33537) | about 12 years ago | (#4448018)

I've been lurking in various Creative boards, largely because I just bought the Nomad Jukebox 3. Anyway, the general belief is that the Zen is a somewhat stripped down Nomad Jukebox 3. When you think about it, this makes sense.

The Jukebox 3 is a hard drive based MP3 player, just like the iPod. That said, they occupy slightly different niches. The iPod is small and very portable. The Jukebox 3 is bigger, but it has much more battery space, recording capabilities, a wired remote, more disk for the price, etc. There are two different markets here, and Creative wants a piece of the iPod's pie. The Zen appears to be a Jukebox 3 without the extra battery space, without the recording features (expect through its external wired remote), without the docking station port, etc. It's smaller, more portable, and easier to carry than the Jukebox 3. It also does less than the Jukebox 3.

Truthfully, it's a wonderful time to be thinking about an MP3 player (especially hd based). Every possible configuration is out there. On the cheap side, you have Archos with it's video player. Creative has a richly featured (and fairly inexpensive) Jukebox and a less featured, more portable Zen. Apple has a very portable and light iPod that's also more expensive. There's a toy for every price range and feature set!

Numbers head-to-head vs. 20 GB iPod (5, Informative)

wherley (42799) | about 12 years ago | (#4448020)

iPod specs here [ipod.com]

Jukebox Zen [nomadworld.com]
specs here

Height: iPod =101.6 mm vs. Zen=112.6

Width: iPod =60.96 mm vs. Zen=75.9

Depth: iPod =21.34 mm vs. Zen=24.5

Weight: iPod =7.2 oz vs. Zen=9.5 oz

Display: iPod=160x128 pix vs. Zen=132x64 pix

Output Power: iPod=60mW vs. Zen=100mW

Playing Time: iPod=10hours vs. Zen=12hours

Re:Numbers head-to-head vs. 20 GB iPod (5, Funny)

GlobalEcho (26240) | about 12 years ago | (#4448087)

Plus you can get the Zen with a multi-button mouse!

(/me ducks, runs)

It doesn't record? (1)

Byteme (6617) | about 12 years ago | (#4448021)

You can only upload files to it? Too bad. It could have replaced DAT for stealth recording concerts. The Nomad 3 works good, but the Zen looks sharp - much smaller.

Purchas price and links (2)

Arkham (10779) | about 12 years ago | (#4448024)

It costs $349.00 US [creative.com] , and there is a $50 rebate, bringing the price down to $299.00 once you wait for that rebate check to come.

Of course, it's Windows-only. You'd think they would include an iTunes plug-in to try and get some of the Apple users.

Still the same big drives (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448053)

This new Nomad is still quite a bit larger than the iPod as it uses a larger hard drive.

Question about iPod and NOMAD players... (2)

ThomasMis (316423) | about 12 years ago | (#4448054)

iPod and NOMAD both use a hard disk as its storage medium. Normally, I would imagine that it's therefore not safe to go jogging with one of these. However, are these two MP3 players ruggedized in some way? Does anybody have an horror stories about scratched platters from running with one of these players?

Limited warranty... (1)

berniecase (20853) | about 12 years ago | (#4448056)

This thing only has a 90-day limited warranty, which is exactly what the iPod had. Now the iPod's up to a 1-yr warranty, retroactive for all original iPods (who expire in coming weeks).

Not cheaper... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448058)

Either the article is wrong, or Creative is...

Creative has it listed for 300 after rebate, where in the article is says 300 before rebate...

Only USB, NOT USB 2 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448074)

It's only Firewire and USB. It doesn't have USB 2.

No USB 2 for you. Come back 1 year!

Next version of Ipod (1)

FuddyDuddy (9308) | about 12 years ago | (#4448075)

Does anyone know anything about the next version of the Ipod and when Apple is going to release it?

Go ahead, buy the damn thing (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 12 years ago | (#4448082)

They'll probably support this device as good as the previous mp3 players they've sold!

In that case, DON'T BUY IT!

I bought their first mp3 player, a Nomad I (64MB, parallel port). There was never any driver upgrade for windows 2000 or higher. All I had were crappy windows 95 drivers that also worked on windows 98.

And to make things worse, mine broke down last week. Doesn't power-up anymore. dead.

No more creative for me.

bantam 1000 (0, Offtopic)

Sideswiped (259402) | about 12 years ago | (#4448088)

not sure about the looks of this player.. I like the one Bantam is in the works with right now.

Bantam BA 1000 Preview:
http://gear.ign.com/articles/372/372006p 1.html

of course its just emulating the Ipod design, but I still dig it.

HW specifications? (2)

jukal (523582) | about 12 years ago | (#4448091)

Are they available? Atleast these specs [nomadworld.com] tell very little. Anyway, I was thinking whether it would have the HW to run a real OS. I guess it must. If so, someone could throw in a small footprint Linux and make it support ogg. And ofcourse, it would not be just a jukebox anymore.

Can we please limit these ... (2)

burgburgburg (574866) | about 12 years ago | (#4448103)

to iPod competitors that aren't bigger, uglier, with a less functional interface, less capabilities, a lesser computer/player interface, shorter battery life and not worth even considering? It would save us all alot of time.
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