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Questions for a Lecture on Microsoft's Palladium?

Cliff posted more than 11 years ago | from the tossing-out-those-pointed-questions dept.

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An anonymous reader asks: "Microsoft is going to be giving a lecture on Palladium for my Computer and Network Security class at MIT this Thursday. We're told that it's going to be the most technically detailed lecture publically given to date, and that we should be armed with questions as a result. Any suggestions from the Slashdot crowd? What technical details have you been dying to know about Palladium?" It would be interesting to hear back from someone who is planning on attending this. For those who wish they were, but can't for one reason or another, what would you have asked by proxy?

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ya harasho! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4457296)

govorit meenya zavoot, syeka! Da!

I just wanted to be the second poster of something (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458080)


Your second question... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458081)

No matter what your first question is, if it's from Slashdot, your second question will be:

Why won't you answer my first question?

Third question from slashdot (5, Funny)

abe ferlman (205607) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458222)

Once Palladium has gained market acceptance, will the borg-gear be a requirement, or more of a 'perk' for loyal customers and trusted partners?

Lets get the obvious out of the way (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458083)

"Will it run Linux?"

Re:Lets get the obvious out of the way (1)

Slashdotess (605550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458096)

Doesn't everything run Linux? It'll have to at least run NetBSD

Linux is not the answer (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458118)

Okay, I know I'm not going to be in the popular view here, but it's gotta be said: Redhat cannot do everything that Windows does.

Do this: Go buy any old digital camera and try to download the pics on a RedHat system.

Go buy a DVD-R and try to burn a disc.

Go to any old website showing media (RealPlayer, QuickTime, Windows Media) and see how successful you are at viewing content.

Buy a Firewire DV Video Camera and see how successful you are in getting the video off and editing it.

Try to visit a site that's made for IE.

Go to the store and buy a game.

Buy a PDA and get it to synch up.

Your network card doesn't work, find somebody you know willing to come over and fix it.

A good chunk of these problems have been solved on Linux, and if you're willing to do some insane bs to get them running, you're fine. The steps to do any of the above in Windows are very easy, especially in comparison to Linux.

Some of these challenges are a result of MS's monopoly + it's just plain a de-facto standard. Despite popular belief, there is some good for this. You can't go wrong with having a Windows machine. You're compatible with the internet, and you're compatible with nearly every game and piece of hardware available for PC's.

The problem isn't that people are unaware of it, the problem is that Windows does the best job of being friendly to the user. Sure Linux has technical superiorities in some ways, that alone does not make a good OS.

For that 90% of the people you mentioned, Windows is by far the best choice for them. Linux is a distant 3rd with OSX in 2nd place.

If you want a simple internet machine, Linux does a wonderful job for that. But the moment you start getting peripherals involved, Linux has a huge uphill battle. It just doesn't make sense for that 90 percentile to run Linux today.

You know what though? That can't be true forever. I do feel that Linux can overtake Windows. The first step is to get millions of people running the OS. That's slowly but surely starting to happen. Every time MS makes a misstep (like their SP 3 licensing BS), Linux has an opportunity to make an inroads. When a DVD-Burner manufacturer is swamped with "Uhh where's the Linux Drivers?" questions, they'll eventually realize "oh.. people use Linux too, we should support it...." When that starts to happen, Linux then can become a viable alternative to Windows.

MS didn't get big by bullying people around, it got big because it made computers into something average people can make really good use of. That is why people are buying Windows machines, it's not because they're unaware of Linux's existence. Today, it is not ready.

Re:Linux is not the answer (0)

James Skarzinskas (518966) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458211)

Isn't this just a copied and pasted troll? It sounds vaguely similar to messages I've seen replying to every other pro-Linux post for a while, and frankly, it's starting to get old.

Nope (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458126)

Illegal under the DMCA, sorry.

Re:Nope (2, Funny)

vanman2004 (617113) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458172)

Quote: "Your compatible with the internet..." lol, compatible with the internet

ask them... (2, Funny)

Dankling (596769) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458085)

ask them to stop being asses and see how they respond.

Re:ask them... (1, Redundant)

REDNOROCK (597025) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458146)

thats not asking. That's telling. Now, if you were to say, "Why are you guys such asses?" or "Will you please stop being such asses>" then I can understand.

Wha is the point behind Palladium? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Butthead (523905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458086)

Honestly, Microsft, what are you try to achieve here?
That would be my question... i would then rebut it with "What would you like on your Tombstone?"

Re:Wha is the point behind Palladium? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Butthead (523905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458102)

Hey, why did you mod me down... it was a perfectly legit question... I guess the mod don't have a sense of humor, you know... tombstone pizza?

Re:Wha is the point behind Palladium? (1)

Anonymous Butthead (523905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458329)

Come on, laugh a little....

Re:Wha is the point behind Palladium? (5, Interesting)

djmagee (165242) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458156)

This is what I want to know. How does MS plan to get people to buy into this? How are computer manufacturers going to react when they have fewer, more expensive options for building their computers. And what would make the average consumer see in it? How many people are really that worried about people reading their documents that they'd be willing to give up things like copying CD's, burning mixes, etc...

Second post! (-1, Offtopic)

Metalhead01 (587101) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458087)

woo-hoo! Seriously, though. I think this is a great opportinuty to clear up a lot of the ambiguities surrounding Palladium, DRM, etc. Or it could be a chance for MS to make themselves look like asses again. Who knows what will happen?

Why Palladium? (5, Funny)

Trusty Penfold (615679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458090)

Why did you choose to build your new processor out of Palladium.

Silicon, with aluminium or copper, is the more traditional choice.

Re:Why Palladium? (2, Funny)

Grail (18233) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458190)

They used the name Palladium to reflect the fact that compulsory DRM will be costly to everyone.

fucking faggot crackhead moderators (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458207)

what the fuck? +4 funny? My scrotum must be +184 funny then.

Re:fucking faggot crackhead moderators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458279)

In a funny strange way, yes.

Re:fucking faggot crackhead moderators (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458283)

Dude, it is +184 funny


Tell them... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458094)

...that you'll adopt Palladium if Steve runs and jumps around like an idiot for an hour. Then after he's done, tell them you were just kidding. He could use the exercise.

What's in it for consumers? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458097)

More of a basic business question, but didn't anyone learn from Intel's ill-fated processor serial number "feature" in the Pentium III, or the Div-X movie fiasco? Why would consumers want this at all, and why will they choose it over other alternatives?

Re:What's in it for consumers? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458179)

And why does it have to be consumer, not customer?

Re:What's in it for consumers? (2, Funny)

runderwo (609077) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458292)

why will they choose it over other alternatives?
MS Rep: Wait a minute...alternatives?? Alternatives??? .... MUHAHAHAHA!!! All your alternatives are belong to...(cough), wait, please excuse me for a moment.

Re:What's in it for consumers? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458326)

Microsoft, Intel, IBM, HP and AMD are all part of the TCPA. So if all the CPU's are Fritz chipped and will only talk to hardware and OS's that are equally 'Fritzed', then one could assume that there will be no choice. You won't be able to disable this technology (easily) in your BIOS settings.

LawMeme article with good facts (4, Informative)

The Importance of (529734) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458098)

Read this [] for some good info.

Disney (1)

DRnetman86 (617230) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458100)

Since when did you side with Fritz and Disney?

Ask them how it'll help you... (5, Insightful)

andfarm (534655) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458105) a general member of the computer-using public.

The biggest question in my mind on Palladium is how it's supposed to help users. Why we're supposed to use it, instead of just keeping on using our old Palladium-free computers.

Re:Ask them how it'll help you... (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458178)

It's not really a matter of users wanting to use it.. it's more of a have to. Microsoft sells it to the companies whishing to protect their media. Palladium only players and what-not are produced (in it's infant stages of course, this has the potential to be much larger) so, in order for you, Joe User, to see the latest on Natalie Portman's new movie you have to use the palladium player. It's slowly wedged in until it becomes the standard. Look at RealPlayer for example..

Re:Ask them how it'll help you... (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458216)

Their answer to that is obvious to me:

Media companies will make more high quality material available for you to download if they know you can't pirate it.

Why is Palladium Needed? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458107)

We don't need palladium for viruses...this just seems like a system for pervasive DRM. Why do we need this?
And how does "trust" have anything to do with Palladium. Palladium is a system of control, not of trust.

Question for MIT students/faculty (5, Interesting)

Longinus (601448) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458117)

Are there any plans to have this webcasted via audio or video, or at the vary least transcripted for our analytical pleasure?

MIT's page [] makes no mention of any intention to do this, and seeing how it will apparently be the "most technically detailed lecture publically given to date," I think that the public would benefit greatly from such a service.

Re:Question for MIT students/faculty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458319)

Yes. But the video playback will require a Palladium platform.

An obvious question from the /. crowd (5, Interesting)

Drunken Coward (574991) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458120)

Maybe it isn't as technical as you want the questions to be, but I'm interested in the answer:

Can open source software and Palladium coexist?

Re:An obvious question from the /. crowd (5, Insightful)

aronc (258501) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458197)

Can open source software and Palladium coexist?

Go even more general than this, so you don't even have to bring up competition:

How can user written software run on a 'trusted' system?

Re:An obvious question from the /. crowd (5, Interesting)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458236)


Can a system of DRM be devloped that does not rely on security through obscurity at any level, or a crippling of general purpose computers?

THe obvious one ... (3, Interesting)

Vilim (615798) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458121)

The question i would most like to see them confronted by (though i most likely know the answer) is: Microsoft has been called a monopoly in the PC market, it maintains control over more than 95% of the desktop market. Since the only operating system that can even compare to windows (desktop wise) on the PC is linux. If palladium is integrated won't this mean death for linux and Microsofts complete domination over the desktop market? They will most likely try to sugar cote thier answer, or say that linux should go closed source (HA!) however it will boil down to "Yes".

Dear Microsoft (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458122)

Why is George Bush doing nothing about the economy?

Oh, he is?

The war?

Oh, of course! Great idea!

Thanks Sadaam. It's not your fault, but you'll do.

Ask... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458123)

How many hot man-on-man sessions went on in the high spheres of corporate power for Palladium to happen?

Target Consumers? (5, Interesting)

magnum3065 (410727) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458132)

I'm curious who Microsoft expects to be the target customer base for this software, do they expect home users, or businesses. Will this be used in general across an office, or possibly only for machines that require high security (e.g. servers with remote access)? It seems that the average home user wouldn't want to be troubled with some of the new security features, and since technologies of questionable legality (mp3, divx, etc.) are becoming popular in the main-stream now, many people would actually be opposed to some of the new security measures. So, since Microsoft has typically targetted an average home user with their products, do they expect to win over the home user market for this new product, or do they simply plan on a small user-base that requires a more substantial amount of security at first, then try to make the system more wide-spread among consumers later?

Ramifications for Independent Content (5, Insightful)

Consul (119169) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458134)

What will Palladium do to those of us who release independent content? (As in, independent of major corporations.)

The only way I can see it possible to effectively implement DRM is to require computers to not play any digital content that does not have a valid encrypted signature, as provided by the various media companies, and/or Microsoft and Intel.

My main concern, is that independent producers/composers/moviemakers will be locked out of distributing digital content, because the companies involved in Palladium, and other DRM schemes, can choose to withhold issuing these encrypted signatures to them, therefore rendering their content unplayable on Palladium-enabled systems.

I feel, as a copyright owner, and musician, that this infringes upon my rights to distribute my work signature-free, for anyone to be able to play. I do not want a special tag on my releases telling people this is official. I would just like to see my stuff "out there". Therefore, this infringes upon my right to the "pursuit of happiness", as ordained by the constitution.

Anyone else have thoughts?

Re:Ramifications for Independent Content (2)

rant-mode-on (512772) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458210)

  • What will Palladium do to those of us who release independent content? (As in, independent of major corporations.)
I can't see Microsoft locking out all those owners of camcorders who want to email their predictable baby videos to the wrinklies back home. It would take a new class of gullible users to swallow that.

Re:Ramifications for Independent Content (1)

addps4cat (216499) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458293)

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large numbers.


Multiple Computers/Os's (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458136)

What repricussions will this have on computer users that enjoy the use of standards, such as Ogg Vorbis, and share their private, legally owned, collection between multiple Operating systems on a Single Machine, or multiple machines running a variety of Operating System?

Re:Multiple Computers/Os's (3, Interesting)

danheskett (178529) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458273)

None. That was easy?

Seriously, your question is like asking: "how will PGP affect me sending e-mails to my grandmother, who doesn't have PGP?"

Thats really all it.

We'll take the question from that guy in the back. (2, Funny)

XenoDonkey (570515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458137)

What's MSoft's position on alien abductions, cattle mutilations, a working version of Windows and other conspiracy/geek theories?

Optional (5, Insightful)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458138)

IIRC I read that DRM would be "optional."

Could you ask them what "optional" means for me?

Please note the presence of any lawyers.


off topic response, tough shit (-1, Troll)

b17bmbr (608864) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458226)

from this jewish gun owner, l'chaim.

Re:off topic response, tough shit (0, Offtopic)

pete-classic (75983) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458330)

I'm afraid I don't understand . . . is that ASCII Hebrew?!

I'm not Jewish, but I am a member of the JPFO. Their no-compromise attitude is much more in line with my own than the compartivly watered down approach of the NRA (of which I am also a member).

A quick google seems to indicate that l'chaim means "to life," which I assume you mean as "cheers" in this context. Am I on target, so to speak?


Question... (0, Redundant)

Sir Homer (549339) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458139)

How many lawyers has Microsoft hired to counter the enormous amount of lawsuits they will get once Palladium is finished?

My own personal video (5, Interesting)

Degrees (220395) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458141)

Who will own the keys that release it? Where will those keys be stored? Do I get to run the server that hands out the key?

I am thinking if I make a video of my grand kids - how can I make sure that anyone I want can view it?

Hey Bill... (3, Funny)

Bob Vila's Hammer (614758) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458143)

Can I borrow a billion bucks?

My question is... (5, Insightful)

name_already_in_use (604991) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458145) many objections need to be made until you decide to scrap the whole thing?

Reasons (5, Interesting)

qwerbus (583999) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458148)

I'd ask them why they think they need to protect Hollywood?

shut up losers (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458152)

Stop bagging out Microsoft, if you could develop and create a system like Palladium then why don't you do it and compete against them.

Don't just bag what you are jealous of.

The Patent Attorney.

Re:shut up losers (1)

Vilim (615798) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458194)

err thats the thing, 99% of the /, crowd DOESN't want a system like palladium, whether it is developed by linux or microsoft advocates. Why would someone develop something they are trying to fight?

Palladium & OO Security (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458153)

Will Palladium enforce .Net framework code-access security? E.g. if I delare a private member, can I be certain that the hardware will guard that memory location with its life from access outside my class?

And would the same apply to non-.Net Win32/64 code? How about scripting languages? Other VMs?

Tech/legal mix (4, Interesting)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458154)

My Q: To what extent will palladium rely on legal means to enforce policies?

You don't hire niggers, do you? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458155)

I don't want the product getting all filthy from those turds handling it

My question is: (0)

REDNOROCK (597025) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458158)

"Do you really think people are going to let you do this to them? There will always be alternatives, don't you think pushing this stuff on them, will push them father away from your systems, then bring people in or keep them?"
Personally, I don't think so.

How about (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458161)

Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these?

What do you make of the rumors that *BSD is dying?

Did you hear that Steven King died?

And of course, the classic,

What's better,
(a) Palladium, or
(b) Sex with a mare?

My question (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458164)

When will the specs be released in enough detail to enable people to write a nub (or "nexus" or "trusted operating root")?

Will there be any consideration of key management systems that would allow one, for example, to trust any kernel signed by (ie.) RedHat?

Will applications have to care about this sort of thing, or will one nub look the same as any other to them?

Corporate liability (5, Interesting)

paranoic (126081) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458166)

Will Microsoft assume liability for when Palladium breaks, or are they going to hide behind some shrink-wrap/click-through agreement that says that they (Microsoft) can't be held liable for anything?

How bout this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458168)

How about:

"Given your woeful record on security in the past, what makes anyone at M$ think they can do anything right with security in the future?" ;)

(No matter what the reply)..follow up with:

"So, is this _really_ about security then???"

major palladium concerns (4, Interesting)

brw215 (601732) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458170)

From what I have gathered, NO code can run on palladium enabled hardware that is not signed by Microsoft. I am concerned not just about Linux, but about all open source and individual development in general.

Will code I write be able to be run on different Windows machines, or will I be restricted to my local environment barring a signature from Microsoft? From what I have read so far it is the latter and that is frankly terrifying.

About the dates... (5, Funny)

ajd1474 (558490) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458171)

Are they releasing details on when they plan on invading Poland? Just so i can be sure to leave The Continent before then.

My question (1)

Locke!Erasmus (588304) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458175)

Are they going to give a handout listing all the exploits and security holes Palladium will include?

Secure Palladium? (5, Insightful)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458177)

Trolls and humor aside, I would like to know how they are expecting to fix problems with Palladium should they arise. The only way they can fix X-Box "security" problems right now is to release X-Box 1.1, and if they have to re-release computers to fix security problems, how would they do it? and who gets the bill? (maybe I shouldn't ask that last question...) And what is to stop people from mod-chipping computers? At any rate, I believe like many of my fellow /.'ers that X-Box is a Palladium Preview... or Rhodium (the element before Pd, get it?)
Hmmm.. On that note, maybe Palladium is a preview to Microsoft Silver?

MSIL in hardware? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458183)

Will the Palladium chips also be the rumoured native MSIL (MS Intermediate Language) processors?

Obligatory anti-Microsoft post! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458186)

Micro$oft sucks! Down with Micro$oft!

Most important question (0, Offtopic)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458187)

Why does tom care?

666 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458191)

How did it feel to sell your soul to the devil?

Will there be backdoors? (5, Interesting)

carlmenezes (204187) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458193)

You talk about Palladium being trusted and secure computing. Are there any provisions for backdoors so any content generated by the "secure" technologies can be monitored? If so, how secure will these backdoors be from malicious hackers?

Enhancements and Cost (1, Interesting)

PFAK (524350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458198)

How is Palladium supposed to help or "enhance" the users experience?

In my opinion this is going to just frusterate the every day user, and make the "hacker" laugh at Microsoft's effort of a controlled system. The average user wants to go on his/or her computer - listen to music & chat.

They do not want some "secure" music file, they just want to be able to listen to the song. They don't care if its authenticate, or if it contains a "virus".

I believe that this is just a useless effort on Microsoft's part, and lots of wasted time & money for the user.

And for my lead on..

How much is this going to cost Microsoft to develop? For the bug fixes & patches because of Screw ups in the development proccess which don't let me open my Microsoft Powerpoint file.

What if i dont want it? (5, Interesting)

redback (15527) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458199)

What options are likely to exist for people that do not wish to use Palladium?

Longhorn and Palidium (2, Interesting)

DRnetman86 (617230) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458200)

Will Pallidium come integrated with Longhorn and all future M$ products, or will there be an opt out program where you can choose to not use Pallidium.

post paladium (1)

bug1 (96678) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458214)

Ask them what they are going to do after they

1) dictate what programs you can run on your computer
2) dictate what content you use with those programs
3) ?

Re:post paladium (3, Funny)

davidstrauss (544062) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458262)

4) ?
5) (Inconceivably large amount of) Profit

easy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458287)

3) profit!

(more likely "go bankrupt", but with luck they're foolishly thinking it'll work.)

Ask This (1)

HappyCycling (565803) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458224)

Why do we our computers to protect us from ourselves?

Where all the white women at? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458228)

And also, can a nigger get a table dance?

Flame on! (2, Redundant)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458231)

Yeah, here's a question. Since every "security" initiative or technology MS has ever introduced has been a complete pile of crap, why should we expect that Palladium will be anything more than a way to help you continue your current dominance of the consumer computer market?

I'm sure a lot of mods will lump this into the Slashbot category, but be realistic: Microsoft has an egregiously bad track record when it comes to security in their products, and they are a convicted monopolist. This entire scheme smacks of an attempt to control your computer's hardware, not just your software, not to mention further abusing their monopoly power. Why should I trust a damn thing Microsoft says?

Embarras MS or educate audience - a win-win (5, Insightful)

heptagram (253026) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458239)

Ask questions that will make the lecturer either reveal how evil it is, or make his evasions obvious. Possibilities:

1. If you turn it off - as MS claims they're going to allow - will the system then appear to apps, content & the network as "a Palladium PC with Palladium turned off" or as a non-Palladium PC? (Hint: it's the former.)

2. Will I still be able to flash my BIOS? *All* of it? replace it completely? (Assuming TCPA hardware, they're lying if they say 'yes'.)

3. Why would I want to buy this, if I'm not interested in Hollywood movies but do want complete control over my computer?

can i watch it? (1)

teqo (602844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458242)

Rate me off-topic, but (esp. considering MIT's OpenCourseWare [] ) I think I would love to attend that meeting virtually or watch some digitally available copy of that session... Is that possible? :)

And if I could pose a question, I would probably ask how they would try to fight the immanent problem that people always find a way to beat copy protection, since the beginning of sold 8" floppy disks, and there will be no way to prevent that in Palladium either, I swear...

what the hell? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458251)

I would like to know one thing. It's to do with this combination of words:

Microsoft. Computer and Network Security. Lecture. MIT.


I'm sorry. I just don't understand how Microsoft is able to lecture students on the merits of their (closed, proprietary) technology at a university. What is the purpose of their visit, and how did it come about? Are they going with the intent of selling the idea of Microsoft 'security' to students (who, of course, would eventually be prospective employees or clients)?

I suppose I'll actually be pretty suprised if they were there in a serious, technical (and non-marketing) capacity given Microsoft's blatant hatred of the opinions of others when it comes to anything that doesn't fit their corporate vision. This also seems odd remembering their policy of (in)security through obscurity.

Just walk out of there if they try to make you sign anything.

The real question is... (4, Interesting)

Kindaian (577374) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458255)

Why should one buy a more expensive Palladium compatible computer if they can buy a cheaper non-Palladium one?

Why would a company restrict the content they provide and thrus limiting their consumers with a tecnology that will divide the world and conquer nothing?


They might not have an answer for this... (2, Funny)

rgoer (521471) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458258)

They might not have an answer for this, exactly, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who's dying to know: What the FUCK?

Question (5, Funny)

Herkum01 (592704) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458269)

A. After it is released what is the ETA of the hack that will work around Palladium?

B. How many months will it be before MS comes out with a patch for the above mentioned hack?

Demand? (4, Insightful)

eagl (86459) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458274)

Question: Do any non-industry customers (ie. consumers) actually WANT Palladium or any other DRM technology? As a "feature" that would restrict a user's ability to use and/or manipulate data in certain formats, doesn't this represent a step backwards from the enormous utility of personal computing?

Editorial - I can see people moving in droves back to high-quality analog video and audio editing as a result of DRM technology being forced upon consumers. The whole point of a fast digital computer is to rapidly and conveniently manipulate digital data regardless of the format on a single machine, so any restrictions on doing so is a step back towards single-use analog or simple digital circuits.

Don't they SEE what they're doing in the big picture? The day a personal computer won't compute what you want it to compute is the day you switch to something that will, plain and simple. They're playing with nothing less than the death of the general purpose processor.

AMD is better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458281)

Just stick with AMD and bypass the M$-Intel kingdom altogether

It Will Be Broken (4, Interesting)

Yossarian45793 (617611) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458282)

First, let me say that I understand the goals of Palladium, including why it would be a valuable technology for MS customers and others; and I think I understand as well as anyone how the technology works, having only seen the publicly available information. My question is:

What makes Microsoft think that Palladium won't be broken or circumvented, given that the information security community at large has not had a chance to review the technology?

Important information which everyone should know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458286)

question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4458291)

What plans are there to be Rendezvous compliant?

A little history lesson, perhaps? (3, Interesting)

gwernol (167574) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458309)

The great technology boom of the 80's and 90's - and the wealth that was created as a result - happened because ownership of Personal Computers became widespread. Microsoft and Intel were two of the key players that triggered that explosion. One of the most important reasons people brought PCs was because they could write or run any software on them. They were open systems controlled by the user - not a corporation. Unlike the mainframes and minicomputers that preceeded PCs you could run the software you wanted and you didn't have to seek permission from yourIT staff.

Does Microsoft really believe its best course is to enforce a return to the bad old days of corporate control of computing through Palladium and other DRM mechanisms? Doesn't this route open up the way for a competitor to give people what they really want - control over their systems? Isn't this the beginning of the end for Microsoft?

My nightmare about palladium (1)

pardasaniman (585320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458313)

a bit redundant, but, I have to ask and stress someone does a good job of asking it. Someone has to ask about open source Say it in such a way that you don't mention Linux, but say "third party" operating system Also ask about how it will affect open source. Ask about how applications get certified to run on palladium enabled chips.

Microsoft is listening (4, Insightful)

levendis (67993) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458314)

I hate to point out the obvious, but being that slashdot is an open forum, Microsoft (and their lawyers) will surely be watching for the most interesting questions, and preparing appropriately non-controversial answers for them. Ergo, anything you ask here is likely to get a marketing non-answer, rather than a real answer....

Just something to keep in mind :-)

My question (2)

rossz (67331) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458321)

Since security is an area that Microsoft has failed in every attempt they've made, how is this going to be different?

Yeah, it's a troll question, but it IS what I would ask.

How will programmers debug their code? (2)

JM (18663) | more than 11 years ago | (#4458334)

Let's suppose for a moment I'm writing a front-end for a database using Microsoft Studio... Then I compile the code...

If I can't run unsigned apps, how will I run my own code, even though I used 100% Microsoft tools to do it?

(BTW, I don't run any Microsoft applications and I build my own machines, so I would never run a DRM-enabled system, but hey, you asked for some questions ;-)
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