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ft (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471013)

asdg teoast

fp

Re:ft (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471030)

yes I aasdgs teoast also.

sp

METAMODS, MARK "TROLL" MOD AS UNFAIR. IS OFFTOPIC. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471047)

METAMODS, MARK "TROLL" MOD AS UNFAIR. IS OFFTOPIC. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471296)

METAMODS, MARK "TROLL" MOD AS UNFAIR. IS OFFTOPIC. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471466)

METAMODS, MARK "TROLL" MOD AS UNFAIR. IS OFFTOPIC. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471492)

Nothing gets on planes. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471031)

TSA agents won't let you take abutane lighter on a plane, even though you can buy them INSIDE THE CHECKPOINT. They are gonna have a field day with these.

Re:Nothing gets on planes. (5, Interesting)

Charlton Heston (588481) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471146)

That's not true. I was searched by a helpful, if not portly, security lady. She politely informed me that I was allowed to have only one lighter, not the two she found in my laptop bag. Helpfully, she allowed me to choose which of my two lighters I'd like to give to her. I chose the older one, as I am not the sentimental type and it was nearly out of butane. I was then allowed to board the aircraft and proceed safely to my destination.

So, you can take a butane lighter on board a plane, but only one at a time. On the other hand, you can easily order several alcoholic drinks like vodka which would combust very nicely from the comfort of your spacious seat.

Re:Nothing gets on planes. (1)

seanscottrogers (565312) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471238)

Of course the real thing blocking laptop fuel cell commercialization is the fact that we slash dot the hosting sites back to the stone age. Anyone have a mirror?

Toshiba Laptop, why CowboyNeal? (5, Funny)

w1r3sp33d (593084) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471033)

but Toshiba doesn't make an option on the poll today?

Re:Toshiba Laptop, why CowboyNeal? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471163)

Maybe CowboyNeal is powered by his own proprietary, super secret fuel cell and doesn't want you to know. I suspect it's one of them discounted cases of Cool Ranch Cola.

Yawn (3, Insightful)

rschwa (89030) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471037)

Wake me when I can get a fuel cell in either:

A 'Standard' battery form factor (AAA, AA, C, D)

or

A small doohickey I can plug a standard AC mains cord into.

Re:Yawn (3, Interesting)

Rick the Red (307103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471219)

I'd settle for a small doohickey I can use in place of a wall wart. With adjustable output voltage and multiple plugs, something like this [radioshack.com] and this [radioshack.com] .

Re:Yawn (1)

martintt (512215) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471397)

AFAIK someone has plans for this, it would be easier to design and market a standard 18v (or whatever) fuel cell than fit one to work in each laptop. So I'd heard (possibly on the radio or in the New Scientist) that fuel cell manufacturers were hoping to make and market mini fuel cells that would power/recharge laptops(phones etc) via their DC port. This way they have a far larger target market for each model, and we could use fuel cells on older kit.

If you put all the Toshibas in the world, end to end around the equator 2/3 of them would drown.

Probably missing the point (5, Insightful)

DougJohnson (595893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471232)

The idea isn't to "upgrade" your old equipment to use feul cells. The entire tech industry desperately needs something to sell some new products. How many walkman's do you need? (or should that be walkmen?)

The point is to not have to have batteries at all so you just pump it up with some butane/methane whatever every now and again. This is a HUGE upgrade, not having to replace/recharge PDA batteries every couple hours of use could improve screens and processor power. And to top it all off, means that the manufacturers will make more money selling NEW things.

You can bet that this is only the first of a coming shift in consumer electronics.

Re:Probably missing the point (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471372)

A while back, (more than a year, I beleive) Motorola announced the creation of an alcohol-based fuel cell system which didn't require a pump to move the air...

This came with the possible promises of 1 month cell phone life, and 15 hour laptop run times.

It would be a great thing to pop a plastic cylinder of alcohol into your laptop, PDA, cell phone, etc. and not worry about finding an outlet.

But nothing ever really came of it. Maybe the platinum mesh proved to expensive to manufacture.

walkmen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471401)

walkpersons?

Re:Probably missing the point (1)

JakeWilliams (618287) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471483)

I think the idea of having fuel cells to power devices that were designed for standard sized cells would be very useful.

If it was this size of a AA battery and you could just pop it out and refill it from a volume container of fuel in a few seconds, that would be much more convenient than rechargable NiCad.

Re:Probably missing the point (3, Insightful)

klevin (11545) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471519)

Unless you're the battery industry. In which case, it would seem like a good idea to come up w/ fuel cells that fit into standard battery form factors. That way, you don't get completely cut out of the action.

pf (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471038)

phyrist phoaste

-ac

Great...wonderful! (-1, Troll)

Neck_of_the_Woods (305788) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471041)

I think I need a full cell powered grill. I will need it to cook up that bird/flying evil thing/mothra from Alaska. UMmmm....wings...FIREUP THE FULLCELL!!!

Where to buy replacements? (0, Interesting)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471042)

That's great, but from what I understand, these things have to be replaced, or at least recharged. How's that gonna be done?

Re:Where to buy replacements? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471099)

That's great, but from what I understand, these things have to be replaced, or at least recharged.

How perceptive of you! For a moment, I though these were the new special batteries that contain a perpetual motion machine, granting limitless power and never needing the be recharged.

Refilling fuel cells? (1)

StupidKatz (467476) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471108)

... easy as pie! You flip open a little door on the battery and pour more fuel in! This is a highly complex operation, I know, but with practice, one day you too may be able to do it.

You'll no longer be looking for a spare outlet; you'll look for a can of butane/whatever.

Re:Refilling fuel cells? (3, Interesting)

Oculus Habent (562837) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471448)

Hopefully, the fuel will come is sealed canisters that are pierced as they are insterted into a device, like ink cartridges and pens, or CO2 and paintball guns.

This would be much safer for the user, and probably easier to deal with from a production, maintenance, and disposal point of view.

Re:Where to buy replacements? (1)

comic-not (316313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471165)

As the article mentioned the potential to use these in airplanes ... after the dinner you just pour the rest of the Remy Martin VSOP into the computer instead of downing it yourself. Easy, and good for your health!

WHY WAS PARENT MODDED AS "INTERESTING"? IT'S WRONG (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471342)

Crackhead mods....

Oh, this is "offtopic" or "flamebait", you morons.

Fuel Cell, eh? (4, Funny)

LordYUK (552359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471049)

So is that Regular or Unleaded?

Humor folks, enjoy it! =)

hahah. heh. erm... (2)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471339)

Humor folks, enjoy it! =)

Isn't that humor stuff supposed to be funny? Btw, research shows that humor is likely to be 87.3% less funy if it is labled as such.

Fuel Cell... (3, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471050)

A guy pulls into a full service gas station, whips out his laptop and says, "Fill it up with Hi-Test!"

Any idea what these are actually fueled with? Alcohol or something proprietary?

Re:Fuel Cell... (5, Funny)

Malcolm MacArthur (66309) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471184)

Any idea what these are actually fueled with? Alcohol or something proprietary?

Methanol, IIRC. Might also run on ethanol, so if your laptop starts running low, just pour some vodka into it :)

Re:Fuel Cell... (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471331)

Methanol, IIRC. Might also run on ethanol, so if your laptop starts running low, just pour some vodka into it :)

Somehow I think these would be difficult to sell in Russia... Think of the conflict... "work on laptop" vs. "unwind with world's best vodka"

Be like trying to sell the french cars that run on champagne.

"My car is electric, but my laptop runs on gas."

Re:Fuel Cell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471430)

A guy pulls into a full service gas station, whips out his laptop and says, "Fill it up with Hi-Test!"

He then feels a pain in his back and everything goes black. Just another day in DC... ;-)

(It's a joke. Smile!)

Just like printer cartridges (5, Funny)

Charlton Heston (588481) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471064)

In a couple years we'll all be complaining about expensive fuel cell cartridges that can't be refilled without hacking around a security chip. We'll also be complaining about the spammers marketing cheapo printer ink refills AND methanol refills. But we'll sell our souls to the devil to get 10 hours of battery life, won't we?

Re:Just like printer cartridges (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471098)

I'm concerned that you're right. Low Methonal solution souldn't be a problem, as you can pick it up for a few dimes a bottle, however, it seems likely they'll hold you to the warrantee with some certified/proprietary mixture (then get someone to add reverse-engineering fuel mixtures to the DMCA) which you can only buy with their quality name on it, or from licensed moonshiners.

Re:Just like printer cartridges (1)

Charlton Heston (588481) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471203)

I'll be worse than that. The cartridge will be an expensive pressurized job, and when it's empty (10 hours) you can't refill it without special equipment.

They'll have a hold on us by the batteries! Ladies, you can't get out of this one on a technicality... ba DUM dum.

Good idea, except... (4, Interesting)

Allaria (547479) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471072)

It's still only 10 hours. I betcha that the price difference for this baby will be a lot more than if you just stock up on extra batteries. I'll keep my ineffiecent Dell for now.

Re:Good idea, except... (2)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471381)

Except that you don't have to leave the laptop plugged in to charge all those extra batteries. All you do is pour more fuel into the fuel cell and you are good to go.

I'm hoping that Dell (or some third party) comes out with some fuel cells for existing laptops. I'd like more than the 2.5 hours my battery gives me.

Re:Good idea, except... (2)

DCram (459805) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471548)

Im sure there will be some sort of nipple on the damn thing so that you can refil it like a butane lighter. Think about how fast this would be in comparison.

Of course you would have to either carry a bottle of the fuel or stop by a 7-11 to get the refill.

Please ignore the spelling :) i suck hard!

Ethanol? (5, Funny)

bytesmythe (58644) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471074)

Is this one of those ethanol-based fuel cells? Seems like this would be a bad thing for recovering alcoholics. Imagine the stares you'd get at an AA meeting trying to power-up your machine.

Business travelers could have it bad, too. Imagine this scene:

*Man gets pulled over for swerving on the highway*

Officer: Sir, have you been drinking?

Man: No officer, not at all.

Officer: Why is there an open bottle of vodka in your hand?

Man: Oh, I had my laptop playing a DVD and the battery nearly died. I forgot my car adapter, so I was just trying to refill the battery.

Officer: With vodka?

Man: Yes, officer.

Officer: Sir, I'm going to have to ask you to step out of the car so I can beat you senseless with my nightstick.

Finally (5, Insightful)

jeffasselin (566598) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471081)

It's time the batteries finally caught up to the way we want to use our laptops.

With the popularity of wireless networks, it has become a pain to have to plug in the laptop to the electric outlet while you spent that money to set up a wireless entwork so that you could stay on the net without any wires.

Although network technology is much newer, it seems it has managed to progress faster than battery technology sofar.

Apple is one company who has done all they could to extend battery life (the G3 processor uses so little juice it helps a lot), but every company is still at the mercy of the limits of the battery companies.

Re:Finally (1)

Eraser_ (101354) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471249)

You know something, We have G4 TiBooks here at work that i've used heavily. I have never noticed a problem with battery life. I can use it easily for 3 hours if i'm not watching a DVD or something. 4 if i'm not doing heavy load work, even with the airport card running. The power saving features on them add up very quickly, especially dimming the LCD and engaging processor cycling, and because it's a G4, you don't notice the slowdown that much, because it's fast anyways.

Now with that said, i would love to see 12hour batteries, and 6hour dvd players. Would be very cool.

Re:Finally (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471494)

Three or fours hours? Sorry, but I still think that's still very poor. My laptop just died 1 hours 50 mins into a meeting (after a full charge), so it's at least a step in the right direction.

If I'm out for the day or a weekend, I'd rather not be carting the power supply with me. Even if I had to pay for a quick top up in a shop, I'd be happy with that. I'm looking forward to this new technology...

Re:Finally (2, Insightful)

PB-MX (463273) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471396)

Finally?!
If you look at the increase in computing power, speed, screen size, etc. over the last 10 years, it's a wonder that we get any more than .5 Hours from our laptops. The fact that you get the same amount of time now as when we were using the 8" Black and White, 286 POS is astounding!

those amazing G3 processors (1)

X_Caffeine (451624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471451)

mmyeah, and if Sony and Dell still made laptops with 500mhz P3 processors, we might get 8-hour PC laptops too.

(I'm not being entirely facetious, I actually think a slow processor, gobs of RAM, fast HD, super-battery-life laptop would be neat-o)

Yay? (4, Interesting)

Giggles Of Doom (267141) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471084)

This sounds pretty sweet. I do wonder if the cartridges would be refillable though. Changing them out and replacing them every other day could lead to a large pile of empty cans very quickly, even moreso if the technology catches on. While they are far better then dumping Li-ion batteries into landfills, refillible would still be better yet.

Oops, sorry man... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471233)

My mouse slipped and I accidentally modded you redundant instead of insightful... Oh well, I guess the others will correct that. Someone give him a point for me :-)

Almost there (5, Funny)

Faggot (614416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471094)

Until these things have a whiskey port, they will do me no good.

C'mon, man, truly practical computing!

Re:Almost there (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471167)

Maybe it can use bottled Port.

Re:Almost there (5, Funny)

krog (25663) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471172)

careful though. overcharging can cause a hasty kernel dump onto /dev/toilet or /dev/floor (depending on where the PC is pointing at the moment), followed by a several-hour shutdown.

This troubles me (0, Insightful)

surfimp (446809) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471116)

A fuel cell -powered laptop seems like a bomb waiting to happen, but maybe I'm just reactionary and ill-informed.

Re:This troubles me (1)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471261)

Oh absolutely. It's at least as dangerous as hydrogen tanks in cars. Something should be done.

Re:This troubles me (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471518)

Or petrol in a car, that could be dangerous. I've seen those American cars on TV, as soon as you crash there is always an almighty explosion. I'm buying Asian next time, you don't see cars blowing up much in Jackie Chan movies...

How about... (5, Funny)

ocie (6659) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471126)

An ethanol-powered PDA? It could double as a hip flask.

Re:How about... (1)

brain159 (113897) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471394)

Hold it landscape, slide the screen up to reveal a keyboard, cap on one corner for booze, GPRS and initially unlimited data transfer... et voila, the fliptop :-P

In other news (5, Funny)

NiftyNews (537829) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471129)

In other news...

SpleenTech has announced plans for an addon to the digestion track exit that produces a new winged hybrid monkey. It is slated for release in Fall 2007.

Another [shrug] future possible product announcement, brought to you by the fine folks at SlashDot!

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471311)

targeted for the mover and shaker on the move crowd which studies show would benefit from the freedoms realized by the new "smart card enabled" spontaneously airborne self disposing waste matter nuggets.. reportedly, USB support will be available in the second gen product lines

Tiny Methanol powered fuel cell (3, Interesting)

sys$manager (25156) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471183)

The company I work for produces Methanol. In one of the boardrooms is a little acryllic car shaped object and inside is a tiny methanol powered fuel cell and a little supply of methanol. You flip the switch and a little electric motor starts turning a little wheel.

Sure, it's kind of stupid, but it's neat to be able to play with a real fuel cell.

Nice Idea (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471188)

I was wondering when they would come up with this. As things stand now, though, I think my next laptop is going to be an Apple. And if Toshiba can do it, so can Apple. (unless Toshiba patents fuel cells?) imagine a PowerBook (which does 5 hours with Li-ion) with a fuel cell... Better yet, imagine a B...

---
Copy Protection: A clever method of preventing incompetent pirates from stealing software and legitimate customers from using it.
(from:http://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/software.t erms. html)

Glad to see this! (2, Interesting)

HackHackBoom (198866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471192)

While I'm not a fan of toshiba laptops, I am glad to see a major manufacturer pushing this technology.

Batteries quite frankly suck and I travel alot. Expect at least 1 customer (me) to buy one of those fuel cell laptops.

One thing I do wonder though, is environmentally how will a disposed of fuel cell treat the environment as opposed to a disposed of battery?

Fuel cells? (2, Interesting)

SexyKellyOsbourne (606860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471196)

After September 11th, wouldn't airlines be quite wary of anything that could, if properly rigged by master terrorists, blow a hole in the fuselage large enough to down the plane?

They're jumpy enough that my friend, when he joked that he had "Yeah, and a big brick of C4" in his bag to a National Guard soldier, they detained him for 6 hours and -- I exaggerate not -- gave him a full cavity search, tore open his shoes, and destroyed his laptop looking for bombs.

Though it may be an advance, it may be banned from airplanes by paranoid maniacs like John Ashcroft.

Re:Fuel cells? (5, Insightful)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471272)

He violated federal law that was in place prior to 9/11. Deserved what he got.

Translation: He's a moron.

Re:Fuel cells? (1)

AlgUSF (238240) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471383)

Kinda like at the end of meet the parents, where he gets into it with the stewardess... "You can't say bomb on an airplane"

Re:Fuel cells? (3, Troll)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471433)

1: Fuel cells have already been aproved for airline use
2: If you can rig a fuel cell to explode, you can probably turn a chocolate bar, three staples and a piece of tape into a 40 megatonne nuclear warehead
3: Your friend is an idiot. I'm surprised they didn't though his ass in jail.

Re:Fuel cells? (1)

imnoteddy (568836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471457)

[Airlines] are jumpy enough that my friend, when he joked that he had "Yeah, and a big brick of C4" in his bag to a National Guard soldier, they detained him for 6 hours and -- I exaggerate not -- gave him a full cavity search, tore open his shoes, and destroyed his laptop looking for bombs.

Your friend was incredibly stupid to joke about C4 and got exactly what he deserved.

Re:Fuel cells? (2, Funny)

rhombic (140326) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471473)

You mean like the dozens of small containers of ~50% alcohol they walk up and down the aisle during your flight?

You can do cool stuff with alcohol solutions, tho. We used to put Stetson(tm) into a 2l soda bottle with a small hole in the lid and a nail in the side. Shake it up, and touch the nail with a portable tesla coil. Instarocket. Fun stuff.

And your friend-- think about this for a minute. Joking with Mr. "I've been pulled from my cushy desk job, my career is on hold, and I'm dressed in green camo inside of an airport, and I'd really like to take it out on the first idiot who yanks my chain". Does green camo inside an airport make any sense to anyone???

Re:Fuel cells? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471530)

To hide behind the potted plants, p'raps...

Ford to produce mid-size sedan in 2004. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471201)

Wow. That was a whole lot of nothing.
no specs? no pics? no nothing!

Ok, so someone is finally putting FC's to use in consumer electronics. Cool, I welcome it.
However, this story, like many before it, is VAPOR.

ANYONE can ANNOUNCE anything.
-Getting it tested, produced, and marketed- it is the amazing part.

Recharging fuel cells (3, Interesting)

suman28 (558822) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471207)

This [wired.com] article states that we can only involves replacing the liquid fuel without shutting down the computer. But how do you get to the battery without shutting down the computer?

Re:Recharging fuel cells (2, Funny)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471384)

I think this is how it'll work, there's this long tube running up the side of your screen that's open on the top. The methanol fuel will be colored red. When the red fuel level drops down to the letter "E" at the bottom, you take your syringe of extra fuel and stick it in the top of the tube, give a squirt and go back to playing "Half Life" for another ten hours.

Doubt it (0, Interesting)

PhysicsScholar (617526) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471226)

I highly doubt that Toshiba has strenously tested their fuel cell model for these new machines.

Is every engineer there totally confident and fully knowledgeable about all aspects of fuel cells? If so, then they surely know how to deal with:
- current limits
- bipolar plates
- Efficiency and open circuit voltage
- Efficiency and efficiency Limits
- Efficiency and the fuel cell voltage

Not to mention they should have a firm grasp on:
- The Effect of Pressure and Gas Concentration
- The Nernst equation
- Hydrogen partial pressure
- Fuel and oxidant utilisation
- Fuel Cell Irreversibilities - Causes of Voltage Drop
- Activation Losses
- The Tafel equation
- Reducing the activation overvoltage
- Summary of activation overvoltage

The last thing anyone wants is a fried laptop. Imagine walking away from your new Toshiba fuel cell-powered Pentium 5 laptop only to come back and find the screensaver off because the entire unit is charred like a cod on a plate of Fish 'N Chips!

Re:Doubt it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471459)

What about the horsenshit postifiers? Or the karmawhoringal assclownification principle? Or the lameasstroll annoyification modulators?

They're crazy I tells ya!

Gosh! (2)

RatBastard (949) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471484)

Gosh! You mean that they are incompitent boobs? I'm sure that they are testing them and are working on technologies to deal with the various power/heat issues that fuel cells represent. They don;t want to sell you computers that kill themselves (inside the warranty period, at least).

I think EVRYONE learned the Great Powerbook Lesson.

/. effect... google cache link.... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471230)

here [216.239.33.100]

Running on Empty (2, Funny)

nohear_t (551965) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471243)

Was the server powered by one of these cells? 10 hours are up and the server runs dry.

This reminds me... (5, Funny)

velcrokitty (555902) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471262)

Of an old Transactor Magazine cartoon with a 1541 drive and this huge engine/blower contraption up on top. There's this hick with a baseball cap claiming that it would back up disks in XX seconds...

But yeah, everytime I see news about fuel cell powered laptops, I imagine cranking over a two-stroke engine, pull cord, blue smoke, and noise!

Perhaps it's just the cold medication...

the /. effect. (0, Offtopic)

omegakidd (592638) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471285)

My site never went down when it was on slashdot. Well, I guess it didn't happen because it wasn't on the front page or in the article. Nevermind.

Aw nuts... (4, Funny)

klocwerk (48514) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471299)

"Chuck, we got Slashdotted and we're out of fuel cells. Grab a bucket and make a run to Exxon, wouldja?"

wanted to read that too. gosh darn you geeks...

and... slashdoted... (5, Interesting)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471304)

That's nice.

Anyway, this is pretty cool. Although we'll have to see how the fueling method works. Some people mentioned a 'cigarett lighter' type thing you could buy, but we'll have to see how much of a 'revineu source' these companies consider it... It would kind of suck if they cost as much as the ink cartrages for most printers :P

Even if the price is down to $2-$3 a cart, I'd still rather go with the practicaly free eletrical power from an outlet then disposable carts.

And finaly, eletrical power is so cheap that most people don't mind if you just plug your stuff in. When I bring my laptop just about anywhere, I can feel confident I'll be able to find an outlet to plug it into. I could even get an adapter for my car (actualy, an 9vdc->120vac to plug my 120vac ->12vdc power brick, but hey it works :P)

With these things, you're SOL. Personaly, I think it would be cool to combine the two into a hybrid solution, a 30min/1hr battery that you can charge while using via a plug or via the fuel cell system. That would really give you the best of both worlds.

Of course, when we can get fuel cell's for $0.20 and fill them up anywhere (say, people put natural gas taps in their kitchen or something :P) I'd be willing to go all fuelcell, save a small battery that would let me change carts without rebooting :P

(oh, btw. I'm tying this in on a server machine, that dosn't happen to have any spell checking software installed. Now you can all see my horrible spelling in it's full glory!!!)

Other article on the Toshiba fuel cell, (3, Informative)

Tetravus (79831) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471320)

Looks like this is pretty old news. http://ne.nikkeibp.co.jp/english/2002/02/0130toshi ba_device.html "Toshiba prototypes fuel cell-powered PDA Feb 1, 2002 On January 2002, Toshiba held a technical exhibition at its Ome operations complex in Tokyo, where the company unveiled fuel cells currently under development for powering mobile devices. Toshiba made a demonstration by actually operating the company's PDA called "GENIO e." Although being under a stage of pilot testing, the fuel cell is capable of powering PDAs for two to three consecutive hours."

What about IP laws? qjkx (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471321)

IP laws are holding this back. We'd have fuel cells on watches by now if we just abolished all IP laws.

Fraunhofer? (2, Funny)

freeze128 (544774) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471361)

It looks like The Fraunhofer Institute is joining the race to build Fuel Cells. Does this mean that my fuel cell can play MP3s? :)

Weekly World News got it? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471366)

From here [weeklyworldnews.com] :

"Instead of blowing up major landmarks and killing thousands of people at a time, Al Qaeda reportedly has a new target: You!

Their new concept involves killing individual Americans at random, door-to-door, in our own homes and in public.

Chilling new training videos and other materials obtained by U.S. intelligence indicate that Osama Bin Laden's henchmen believe the new strategy will paralyze Americans everywhere with fear."

Considering the source, I don't believe in it; but the similarity with the Washington sniper is conspicuous. Sorry for posting it here, I just thought it was an idea; am I offtopic or am I offtopic?

Re:Weekly World News got it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471567)

Yup, it's there right next to the bat boy found in cave story.

fuel door? (2, Funny)

Captain BooBoo (614996) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471489)

will a bell ring if the fuel door flap is left open? will there be a fuel gauge? I wonder if someone will invent a "carburetor" that gets like an insane 50 hours of battery life then mysteriously disappears?

Consumable costs will be the killer (5, Insightful)

Billy the Mountain (225541) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471538)

One manufacturer is proposing to supply a 120 ml cartridge that last 10 hours on a laptop. The price is going to be an estimated $3 - $5 per.

Although wholesale costs for methanol are $0.33 per gallon. I'd be hesitant to pay five bucks to "recharge" my laptop once, OTOH I'd be willing to pay $2.50 for a gallon of methanol that's probably good for forty charges even though it might involve a bit of a hassle to transfer the liquid into "refill" containers.
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