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Star Wars Producer Says Box Office is Doomed

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the stuff-to-read dept.

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Cutriss writes "Seen at CNN, this article interviews Rick McCallum, longtime producer at LucasFilms. McCallum says that DVDs will be responsible for the downfall of the movie industry *without* taking piracy into account, due to the fact that people think the home theatre experience is just as good, or better than the big screens, and they know that in five months, the DVD will be out on the market. Of course, his claim that "studios are barely breaking even" falls on deaf ears when I hear about 9-digit salaries for individual actors in a big-name film that's just some rehash of an old concept. He also mentions, of course, that DVD piracy and movie "sharing" groups will only speed up the cycle, and that they'll be putting Hollywood out of business, possibly within the next three years."

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Propoganda (3, Insightful)

darnellmc (524699) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471521)

More propaganda from the big money movie folks. They need to learn to budget better like everyone else.

Re:Propoganda (5, Funny)

Torinaga-Sama (189890) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471533)

Yeah, I think that it is comparable to the military spending $3000 bucks on a toliet seat.

But I get a lot more enjoyment out of my toliet seat than I do out of most hollywood movies.

Re:Propoganda (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471534)

sp

Re:Propoganda (1)

darnellmc (524699) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471564)

Yea I know. I realized it after hitting submit.

movie theaters suck... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471591)

because people have completely forgotten how to behave in a theater. I can't count the number of times I've had a movie ruined by inconsiderate dolts talking, or ANSWERING THEIR CELLPHONES and having an entire conversaion during the movie. Except for major blockbusters, I wait until I can rent it on DVD.

Watchable movies? (3, Insightful)

sapped (208174) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471598)

They could also learn to produce some watchable movies for a change. For the last two months I have not felt the urge to part with my money for any of the movies currently on circuit.

I don't know if that is just them hanging onto all the good stuff so that they are remembered at the awards or what. If that is the case then they only have themselves to blame for the situation as there should always be at least 1 movie that everybody should want to see.

--
My PC refuses to think outside the box.

Re:Propoganda (5, Funny)

Kamel Jockey (409856) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471600)

They need to learn to budget better like everyone else.

I know... I'm surprised that Hollywood would still keep making the same mistakes over and over again... like putting Madonna in any movie! [foxnews.com]

Yes, blame others for their failures.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471529)

Just like every other industry...

Try making something we can't wait to see Hollywood.

Too Bad... (5, Insightful)

zensmile (78430) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471536)

I could really care less about the box office. Everytime I go to the movies...

1. The food portions are smaller than a few years ago.
2. The price is WAY WAY higher!
3. People's cell phones are going off.
4. Some a**hole is giving comentary to the person sitting next to him/her.

Overall, not a very pleasant experience.

Re:Too Bad... (4, Funny)

morningdave (259151) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471587)

You forgot the 12 year old with the laser pointer

Re:Too Bad... (5, Funny)

interiot (50685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471595)

5. Some young couple is making out. 6. You can't stop the movie and make out.

Re:Too Bad... (0)

microsquash (155778) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471616)

Awwww....
No more Jerry Bruckheimer films? What a damn shame!

Re:Too Bad... (5, Funny)

Iguanaphobic (31670) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471621)

1. The food portions are smaller than a few years ago.
Go every day. Then you will hardly notice when they get smaller.

2. The price is WAY WAY higher!
Than what?? If you're comparing with a few years ago, see point #1.

3. People's cell phones are going off.
Build a Faraday cage over the building before you go in.

4. Some a**hole is giving comentary to the person sitting next to him/her.
Hmmm.. this is a tough one. I'm torn between a paintball gun and something like this. [darpa.mil]

Re:Too Bad... (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471633)

exactly. Why would I NOT rent the DVD for $2.99/ea or $6.00/three? I am going to goto a VERY expensive movie theatre (to get the same sort of experience that I would at home) for $9.00/ticket?

$6.00 for three movies (at my convienience) or $18.00+ for one?

No matter what the hardware that the movie theatre has, it does NOT justify a $9.00 ticket price.

Re:Too Bad... (-1, Flamebait)

jhunsake (81920) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471638)

What about the large group of blacks at the back that laugh obscenely loud at random times and make other noises?

(Not being racist, they really are always black.)

Re:Too Bad... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471689)

I think it's the poor lighting.

Funny? He's serious (I think)! (5, Insightful)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471645)

I'm not sure why someone modded this as Funny because I think zensmile makes good points. It costs a lot to go to the movies and the experience is inferior to what I can have in my home. Here's a few more additions to the list:

5. Sticky floors
6. Six or seven trailers before the show starts
7. No control over sound, picture quality, environmental conditions
8. Just too many people in general

If the film industry starts hurting for business, they can start to work on making the theater a more enjoyable experience. Until then, I'm just going to wait a few months and get a better experience at a better price in my own place.

GMD

Re:Too Bad... (3, Funny)

antitribue (524882) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471653)

5. ...
6. Profit

It seems that the Tech Industry has set a standard.

Re:Too Bad... (1)

jimlintott (317783) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471678)

Hit the nail on the head. This is why I almost never go to movies any more. I think people talk at the movies because they think that they are still in their living room watching a video and forget about being courteous to others. So in a way it is movie rentals that have spoiled the theatre experience.

aa (1)

hfastedge (542013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471541)

9 digit? eg: 100,000,000. um?? i think not. 8 digit...yes. 20,000,000.

Re:aa (3, Funny)

CognitiveFusion (602570) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471575)

They are probably counting the digits after the decimal.

Re:aa (1)

DCram (459805) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471690)

With arnold making 30 mil on the next installment of terminator I also wonder how the studios say that they are just barley breaking even.

But you might say "Arnold is the best actor ever!" and I would have to agree with you. The oscar worthy effort in "pumping iron" keeps bringing me back to the video! But seriously who the hell are they fooling..yeah its not 100 mil but for christ sake its close enough!

Arnold: " I would never make one muscle increase or decrease, because everything fits together now, and all I have to do is get my posing routine down more perfect, which is almost impossible to do, you know. It's perfect already"

Still waiting... (4, Funny)

bottlerocket (605232) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471543)

So is this why we don't have Star Wars on DVD yet?

Re:Still waiting... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471563)

Speak for yourself. Others have had it since several months back.

Re:Still waiting... (1)

glesga_kiss (596639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471658)

Yup, Lucas shot himself in the foot there. No worries tho, I'm sure most of the folk who made the effort to get it onto a DVD (e.g. laserdisk rips) will still buy the box set when it comes out. Even if only for the 5.1 audio...

Re:Still waiting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471676)

You're talking about Episodes 1 and 2 I guess.
DVD versions of Episodes 4-5-6 were never released.

Movie Industry dead in three years? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471545)

Does that mean we can reclaim the public domain in three years and do away with all of these monopolies? Should we really fear these major economic changes? Throughout history, isn't it common for drastically positive changes to take place after dramatically negative changes?

Hyperbole? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471547)

And I quote - "Literally, our very lives are at stake now."

Not unless someone throws a sharpened DVD at them, ala Oddjob in the James Bond movies.

Well... (4, Interesting)

SpoonMeiser (316685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471549)

It's not neccessarily such a bad thing if the movie giants are taken down a notch or two... perhaps well some a little more quality independent film then?

Re:Well... (1)

p3d0 (42270) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471628)

perhaps well some a little more quality independent film then?
Huh?

Argh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471551)

I can't believe I'm reading this.

There is an easy solution to this "problem": lower ticket prices from 9-10 bucks a ticket to 4-5 bucks a ticket. "Problem" solved.

So ... (3, Interesting)

Rev.LoveJoy (136856) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471553)

What's the problem?

-- RLJ

humor folks...

And yet, box office receipts keep rising... (5, Informative)

joshsisk (161347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471555)

This article [boston.com] says last weekend's box office take was 20% more than the same weekend last year.

It seems like that happens more weekends than not.

McCallum's predictions of doom sound like a bunch of BS to me.

Re:And yet, box office receipts keep rising... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471622)

C'mon, we can't blame the movie industry for spending billions on worthless copy protection schemes, only to require millions to retrofit old moviews with them, then additional millions to add special effects so that they can re-release in the theaters, then spend millions to analyze all the data only to find that less people saw the re-make than the original.

I mean Jesus, they don't tell us how to do our jobs... (but then again, they're not really our customers).

Re:And yet, box office receipts keep rising... (1)

keyne9 (567528) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471661)

It really isn't that hard, to increase profits by that margin when they regularly upgrade the price for everything at the theatres. tickets around here recently gained a 12.5% increase in price.

Lucas THX (5, Insightful)

shoemakc (448730) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471556)

Doesn't this sound a bit strange coming from the same people who brought the THX certification to the home?

Sounds to me like a misquoted or singular rant, and not an offical platform of Lucusfilm. There is potentialy even more money to be made in the home theater market, and it's quite clear that they realize this.

-Chris

Booo Hoooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471559)

Maybe they need to cut some peoples salaries. And stop making so many damn trips to starbucks
FearLinux [fearlinux.com]

The box office isn't totally doomed... (5, Funny)

daVinci1980 (73174) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471561)

As long as they continue to release Star Wars in the theaters again, and don't release episodes IV, V, and VI on DVDs, I'll still have to go to the theater.

Cry me a river (1)

chinakow (83588) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471562)

Yea it might happen but then when everyone goes out of business what are we going to Pirate? The point is that someone will always be willing to foot the bill and there will always be someone there to take the money from them, it will all balance out.

Some movies are doomed (5, Funny)

DrXym (126579) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471569)

Good movies won't be doomed, something McCallum & Lucas might like to try making some time.

Re:Some movies are doomed (1)

rherbert (565206) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471693)

Are you saying Titanic was a good movie?!

Bullshit (3, Insightful)

Charlton Heston (588481) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471572)

Even considering the worst case scenario - all major studios go out of business - that still leaves a wide open market for people to make movies and sell them for money.

It's completely absurd to think that movies MUST be made by companies named "Paramount Pictures" or "Universal Studios". There's nothing magical about those names. If they can't stay in business, or refuse to change enough to stay in business, then screw them. Time for new blood.

Not as bad as the RIAA... yet (1)

jez9999 (618189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471573)

At least Hollywood isn't trying to sue TV companies which simulcast on the web, unlike another group of people I could mention are doing with radio...

Wow...Taco did it again. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471574)

Redundant shit stuff on slashdot frontpage.. WOW!! ALL together now, applauses to Taco!!!!

How is this any different than VCRs? (5, Insightful)

funbobby (445204) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471576)

They said the same thing when VCRs came out, and that certainly wasn't the end of the movie industry.

If hollywood goes out of buisness (2)

Jacer (574383) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471577)

The MPAA will most certinly follow, besides, indie films, generally speaking, are just as entertaining, if not more so than their big budget counter-parts If actors take a pay cut, not much, maybe just oh, ONE MILLION per picture, it wouldn't be such a big deal...

Interesting Quote in the end.. (5, Funny)

cOdEgUru (181536) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471578)

George and I are just praying that we can finish 'Episode III' in time, before it's all over."

Its already over lad! George shot his own golden goose with Episode I. "Before its all over" reads to us fans like "before you suckers realize what tripe we are churning out each episode".

Starwars is dead. Long live Starwars.

Dead Box Office == Good fiction (1)

Visoblast (15851) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471579)

And when the studios die, we'll finally get films with interesting and innovative plots and meaningful content. I can't wait!

I dunno (2, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471580)

They always underestimate the social aspect. I like going to see movies with my friends,
-- (uh oh, here come the "How dare you support the MPAA" loonies...) -- it's a social occasion. We can have a few beers, or a pizza, talk about the movie, throw some popcorn around, and generally have ourselves tidied up after by acned teenagers. It's a different experience from watching a DVD, no matter how good someones home cinema system is.

Re:I dunno (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471674)

Where do you go to the theatre that you can get beer and pizza inside? Around here, they're liable to perform a body cavity search if they think you might me smuggling in an M&M.

Silly Me (4, Funny)

futuresheep (531366) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471584)

I was under the impression that it was the Video Tape that would kill the Box Office. ;-)

Unless you have money to burn, nothing beats seeing a movie in the theater. Now if they'd just start putting real butter back on the popcorn...

More complaints (5, Insightful)

grid geek (532440) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471585)

DVD piracy and movie "sharing" groups will only speed up the cycle, and that they'll be putting Hollywood out of business, possibly within the next three years."

Don't they always say this? Wasn't it said about videos, CD Video, cable? Who produces the DVD's? OK, so if people stop going to theatres then thats a revenue stream down but more income from DVD rentals, sales, airlines, pay per view, airlines ....

I really wish they'd just see that technology opens up new revenue streams faster than it closes them down.

Naturally... (5, Interesting)

DickPhallus (472621) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471586)

It doesn't matter to me. If I go to see the movie at the cinema on cheap night, it's 5-7 bucks. If I wait 5 months to rent it and watch it on my 20 year old TV and VCR, it's still 5-6 bucks... so why would I wait? I wouldn't.

Sure, the chump with $20,000 home theatre could wait, but obviously, money isn't a big factor in his decision.

Personally, I enjoy a night at the movies, but I also enjoy snuggling up at home to a movie with the girlfriend... I think both will be around for a while, personally.

I'm sure someone said similar things when VHS was introduced.

Isn't this trying to... (2)

tkrotchko (124118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471589)

set up the atmosphere in the media and congress to justify more draconian copy protection?

Our government's knee jerks visibly every time the record and movie industry announces some new threat to their livlihood.

They seem somewhat less concerned with me, but then, I never contribute to political campaigns.

Excuse Me While I Weep - NOT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471590)

Awww, the poor movie people. Going to have to find something else to keep them in cocaine and BMWs.

Sure it will....i believe you..suuuure (1)

thesupermikey (220055) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471593)

This makes about as much since as p2p will kill the music industry. I think DVD can only help the small guys get films into the main stream. Artisan Entertainment has done a great job bringing indepented films to the mass market

Re:Sure it will....i believe you..suuuure (2)

josepha48 (13953) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471688)

Yes and cd's will stop people from going to concerts right???

I think that some people will stop going to movies, but not all. Personally I think that most movies coming out today are not worth the $8.75 that they charge at the movie theater per person out here in CA. I think that is what would act as a stopper to the movies. Hmm lets see $40 to go to the movie for 4 and then $20 to $30 more on popcorn and sodas or a bottle of soda for $2 + $3.50 for the dvd rental + $2 more for the popcorn.

Personally that and the fact that many movies that come out today are not that great is what makes me rent the dvd's.

Right... (0)

Zeebs (577100) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471596)

Star Wars Producer Says Box Office is Doomed
Only the force can save it now?

They said the same about home video in the 80s (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471597)

VHS/Beta were supposed to be the downfall of theaters because people would be able to watch movies at home. This guy is saying the same thing. Personally, I think there will be a market for theaters until someone invents a home system that has a 40' (or whatever size the movie screens are) screen, overpriced popcorn and other people in the room to cheer/boo/talk loudly throughout the film. Movies are a technological (big screen, obscenely expensive sound system, etc.) and social (crowds, etc) event.

Yaaahh! (5, Interesting)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471601)

Then, once they go out of business, perhaps people that are interested in making good movies rather than huge incomes will start making movies.

And oh, here's a thought...who forces them to release a DVD in 6mo's??? Seems like they could delay the release of alternate distributions indefinately. Don't think so? Go ask Disney. They did it for a VERY long time.

If it's such a risk...release alternate media 1 or 2 years after the movie comes out.

Wow. That was hard to think of wasn't it. Perhaps if he stopped thinking about his next big rip-off-money-making-flick, such an obvious concept would be obvious to him too.

What was his point again...

How so? (2)

verch (12834) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471603)

If I go see a movie at the theater it costs me about $10. If I buy the DVD it costs me about $20-$30. How is me buying the DVD instead of going to the theater worse for the movie studio?

d00d... (1)

ajuda (124386) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471604)

They said the exact same thing about VHS

imagine a beowolf ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471605)

imagine a beowolf cluster of natali.... ahh fsck it

good (1)

natefanaro (304646) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471610)

let the movie co's go out of business. Maybe we'll all be able to see better independant films that don't have adam sandler or anything resembling that drunken master movie. not to mention chick flicks

Read the article! (2, Insightful)

mdechene (607874) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471611)

It looks like he says these are good trends:

"Filmmakers love it because it more closely resembles the film made," he says.

All he really states is that the Box Office gross doesn't mean what it used to and more directors are "relying on DVD sales".

This would be redundant, but it doesn't look like the previous posters actually read it.....

How can this be? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471612)

I remember reading an article a few months ago that said that last years movie attendance was the highest since the 40's or 50's. It also said that there were more movies that grossed over 100million than any other year in history.

So how can the movie industry be declining if attendance is up and they are breaking sales records?

More like he's compensating.. (2)

joshua404 (590829) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471613)

For the utterly uninspired, drab, poorly acted drivel that he and Lucas have draped the Star Wars banner over in order to make more money..

Futurists. Psssshhhh..... (1)

Downtym (618298) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471614)

Didn't they say this about Betamax? VHS? Laserdisc? Personal Computers? Laptops? Etc., etc., etc.? I'll believe it when I hear Hollywood fall into the Pacific Ocean.

Its Deja Vu all over again (1)

m11533 (263900) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471619)

This is what the movie industry ALWAYS says.

When TV was launched, the movie industry cried that it would be the end of movies and it wasn't.

When color TV was launched, the movie industry cried that it would be the end of movies, and it wasn't.

When the VCR was launched, the movie industry cried that it would be the end of movies, and it wasn't.

And when DVD was launched, the movie industry cried that it would be the end of movies, and....

DVD != VHS but so.. (2)

fruey (563914) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471620)

It is true that Home Cinema fuelled by DVD is better than VHS, and that more of the moviegoing market have the means to buy the hardware.

However, the cinema as an experience is still different, no matter what. I think they need to look at how much it costs for theaters to rent the celluloid versions to work out where it's going wrong. Cinema places are too expensive, popcorn etc is too expensive and poor quality, and a lot of this is because theaters can't make money on all the duff crap that comes out of Hollywood these days.

Therefore, several things need to be taken into account:

  • Better theater pricing and user-friendliness of theaters
  • Better, fairer movie distribution to independent cinemas
  • Less movies per year, with emphasis on quality not quantity
  • Taxing high movie star salaries - they are the only stars that have little overhead on what they earn. Pop stars get screwed by record companies, TV stars have nasty contracts binding them, but movie stars are free agents more or less
  • More time before DVD release?

Of course, DVD itself should be a massive growth market for Hollywood... why are they complaining if DVD sales are so good? Why aren't they asking themselves why people are swapping so much - why is the cinema theater unpopular? It's not just because of DVD, far from it!

This is just a rehash of the TV arguement (2, Insightful)

FirstNoel (113932) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471623)

Back when TV was just starting to get big they were worried about the same thing. When was that? About 50 years ago. Guess what the movies are still here. The studios and theatres will just have to adapt like they did before.

I really doubt this will be a real issue. I can imagine I'd ever have a 30 - 45 ft screen in my house. I like going to movies just for the massive screen size. LOTR looks great on my home TV, but it will never compare to the theatre.

Sean D.

Don't kill the joy! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471625)

hear about 9-digit salaries for individual actors in a big-name film that's just some rehash of an old concept

Dude don't dis I-Spy [sonypictures.com] before I even get a chance to see it! I wasn't alive during the first time it was done! 'Cause, like, Owen Wilson is a genius. He did that movie with the chick that got a wooden finger and the dad that was dying from being an unsufferable prick. That r0x0red!

FUD (3, Insightful)

RailGunner (554645) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471626)

Number of Facts:

The most popular movies are gating over $400 dollars in the US alone. (Star Wars, Spider-man, Fellowship of the Ring).

Those same movies will likely make killings in overseas markets.

And then, those movies will make even more on DVD sales around the world.

If Hollywood goes out of business, it'll only be caused by their own incompetence. Maybe Hollywood should drop the $30 million salaries and ridiculous special effects costs and concentrate on writing (or adapting) entertaining storylines for movies.

DVD's aren't going to kill Hollywood any more then VHS did. A big screen TV is not the same as a movie theater screen. However, I'd wager that the quality of movies is declining. For every gem like Fellowship of the Ring, there's 3 or 4 movies with the quality of "Kung Pow".

People talking in theatres (1)

Pyrosophy (259529) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471629)

I'm normally a fan of big screens, but lately where I live (Hartford, CT) there's an epidemic of people who won't shut up at movies or people who bring their two-year olds or younger to R-rated movies. Don't even get me started about the morally deviant fuckers who let their cell phones ring and then TALK in the theatre.

Most prominent was the not-so-great, but oh-so-silent movie "Signs" -- basically spoiled by the other people in the audience with cell phones or something loud to say to the person next to them. That made me wish for the first time that I'd waited until DVD and my regulated environment at home before seeing a new movie.

If it wasn't for morons like those in the theatres, I would be more than happy to see all my movies at the theatres. A pirated movie or DVD really pales in comparison to the big screen and big sound system in movie theatres. But the other sound makers in the theatres are just getting too much to handle.

Am I the only one... (1)

lynx_user_abroad (323975) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471632)

Am I the only one who has ever gone out to see a film I already own on video just to meet up with friends, take a girl out on a date, have dinner along the way, or just to get out of the house?

Pissed.... (1)

RobertKozak (613503) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471636)

He is just pissed that after the next Star Wars film (number three right?) there won't be anymore.

What in the hell is a .sig anyway?

Already predicted on Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471637)

This reminded me of insightful comments [slashdot.org] by longtime slashdot user doomy.

Seems like /. is a lot far ahead of the rest of the sci-tech community when predicting future :-)

if dvd's are so bad for them.. (1)

hikeran (561061) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471639)

when HBO, Cinemax, and pals should of killed off the movie industry long ago.. after all they are not earning as much from those outlets as they are via dvd/vhs release.

so why buy the dvd when i can watch it on digital cable and pay less .. record and rewatch it over and over?? sure i have to wait an extra 6 months on top of the 6 months for dvd .. but now with payperview i can watch the movie just before or just after it comes out for dvd .. record and not pay any more to see it again..

Nonsense! (4, Interesting)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471640)

This is just a ploy to use the recent outcry over pirating as a wedge to push digital projectors and THX approved sound systems in theaters. Remember the toll free number given out for the SW trilogy re-release to report theaters with substandard equipment?

Pretty sneaky!

Movie industry dead within 3 years? Good riddance! (5, Funny)

Rhys (96510) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471642)

And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Home Theatre is better anyway... (1)

RossCarlson (618297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471647)

Haven't been to the movies in more than a year. Why would I want to go sit in a loud theatre full of rude people with overly priced stale popcorn anyway? I'd rather spend that $20 on the DVD when it comes out (like it said about 5 months later). Maybe Hollywood will realized that they sometimes the actors/movies just aren't worth that much money and they should be content to make profits like the rest of the world! Just my 2 cents.... http://ross.htheatre.net

Oh no! (2)

GMFTatsujin (239569) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471650)

Literally, our very lives are at stake now. George and I are just praying that we can finish 'Episode III' in time, before it's all over."

Pirates! Hear my plea! George Lucas is down to the wire on his multi-billion dollar empire! If you don't stop pirating, Slashdot itself will fall when all the Anakin and Jar Jar jokes can no longer be propped up with new material!

I really have no sympathy for this media-sponsored whining. You know, just because somebody else is shooting you in the foot doesn't mean that you didn't hand them the gun in the first place.

Or maybe the reason is.... (2, Insightful)

eh? (181625) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471651)

Hmmm... let's see Rick McCallum, producer of Star Wars I and Star Wars II wondering why people aren't going to see his movies more than once... hmm, what could be the reason, what could be the reason?

Could it be you produced movies that were shite, Rick? oh no,no,no must be DVDs and the internet, that's it!!

Oh Please (1)

Carbonate (13973) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471654)

I know I'm preaching to the converted here but frankly this is BS. Do they consider that for generations the movie theater experience has been an integral part of people's lives? Just go to the theater on a Friday and Saturday night and count the couples. Dinner and a movie is still a part of courtship. And renting a movie and watching it on my home theater is no substitute for taking a person out to the theater.

This is like saying that TV will kill radio or radio will kill literature. Hogwash!

Most people don't have a home theater. Many don't have a DVD player. Many people have crappy 13" televisions with mono sound. Even the most apathetic can still tell the difference between that and the megaplex down the street.

Finally people won't just stop making movies either. The industry is huge and the budgets might get a little smaller but the industry is not going to collapse. There will always be independents that do it just for the love of telling a story. IF the big company stop making movies the independents will take over where the big companies left off.

...as we know it. (1)

F34nor (321515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471655)

Anything with the momentum of Hollywood won't be gone in 3 years no matter what.

Take an an example the porn industry. It is years ahead of mainstream entertainment technology all the time. Is the "Hollywood" side of the porn industry gone due to DVD and internet? No. So why is a more entrenched and better endowed indutry going to be goen in such a short time frame. I find the agument a little bit sensational and a little bit of "the sky is falling."

I have no doubt that the wave of change is at the door step but like many coups, the change made be better by the incumbents.

-F34nor

just another generational shift. (5, Insightful)

gonar (78767) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471656)

The movie industry did basically the same thing to live theater. it still lives as a niche product for those who want it, but it is not nearly as pervasive as it was.

just because you have managed to earn a living doing something in the past, that is no guarantee of being able to do so in the future.

technology changes the rules, and some industries suffer, but other industries prosper.

the movie industry needs to realize that they are not "entitled" to make money from traditional movies, they must provide us a reason to do pay them for the experience.

if they made movies that were worth the extra $5 to see on a big screen vs. my tv, then maybe I they wouldn't have this problem.

Give me a break! (1)

schnoz (531038) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471659)

It's not like Hollywood isn't making millions and millions of dollars out of the DVD industry!! If releasing the DVDs is making them lose money, they're delay the release dates of the DVDs.

Plus fine, you're making less money, then reduce the cast salaries and we'll all live happily everafter. Afterall, the Friends cast gets paid a million (yes million) dollars per episode. That's outright sick (i know this is TC not hollywood, but these are the salary figures!).

Hollywood is doomed? (2, Insightful)

suman28 (558822) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471662)

I don't think so. I didn't see any technical/analytical numbers on the website. I find it skeptical that Hollywood has only three years of life left. Yes, the ever rising cost of going to the movies can be a burden, but you can't beat going out and "getting away" from house. I guess when you get a little older and have kids, you cherish that a lot more. Then there is always someone out there always out there to get you to that dollar (in this case it is the video rental places), but I haven't seen the movie theaters in our town desperate for customers. It all comes with the territory. Besides, without Hollywood, there wouldn't be any new movies to rent in the first place.

He's wrong (1)

willpost (449227) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471663)

While television brought the downfall of the huge single-show theaters, there was still a group of people that went out to see the shows (might have something to do with not being a cheap/easy date). From there the multi-plex theaters were born, with more variety for a large group of people.

This information is from Maurice Kanbar's book. He invented one of the first multi-show movie theatres.

Cost vs. Value (3, Interesting)

decipher_saint (72686) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471664)

Well, when a DVD I own permenantly costs ~$20 and a movie I see once costs ~$12.00 I have to agree that the Box office will die (if it does not change).

Anyway, my seats are comfier (no seat kickers), I can adjust my audio levels to match the film I'm watching and the drunk guy making a nuisance of himself is me!

It'll Be As Dead As... (5, Insightful)

istartedi (132515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471666)

It'll be as dead as...

...movie theatres after TV.

...Live music after radio.

...theatre after movies.

...radio after TV.

There's something that going to the movies can provide that DVDs can't. The movies provide the whole "going out" experience, and the crowd. How many times have you gone to a movie and remarked "when that happened, the whole crowd laughed, yelled, groaned, etc."

Staying at home with a DVD and the microwave is lame. Dinner and a movie is cool.

Better yet, we may see more innovation in theatres like the Cinema and Drafthouse. If you've never been to one of those, you don't know what you're missing.

Good Movies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471667)

I do not watch much TV lately, but from what I have seen there is not a single movie out that I would want to see. After a very disappointing summer of movies I have lost faith in holiwood. Last good movie I saw was The Matrix, spiderman sucked star wars 1 and 2 sucked, all the steven spielberg movies have crappy plots and suck.

In other news... The sky is falling (5, Insightful)

Slashdolt (166321) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471668)

I'll chalk this up to "We only have 10 years left on this planet!" stated by actor Ted Danson about 10 years ago (also from Hollywood).

Look at how piracy has destroyed the software industry! Oh, it hasn't? But people have been pirating software for 10 years, how can software vendors still be making money?!!! Funny, isn't it?

My hope for the future is that we get rid of alot of the "Fame and Fortune" aspect of acting. In the future (thanks to the Internet), I believe that anyone will be able to broadcast anything they want, and may become famous, but not necessarily rich.

Hollywood makes lots of great movies, and a lot of bad ones. But they've only been around for less than 100 years. They may simply be a short-lived 20th century phenomena, with other forms of entertainment eventually taking over. Don't boohoo about it. If they disappear, it will be because nobody wants their stuff, not because everyone wants DVD's...

For the record, I've never put off "going to the movies" with my wife, simply so that I could watch it on DVD/VHS/PPV three months later...

What they said about TV and VHS (1, Redundant)

Strider- (39683) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471675)

Seems to me this is the exact same thing that the studios said back when television became common, and said again when VCRs became commonplace. Yet, the studios continue to rake in huge profits at the box office.

Quite frankly, I don't think that a home theatre can ever replace the theatre experience. Until my home theatre has a 6 story screen, and a 50 000 watt, 12 channel audio system, I think I will continue to spend the money to see good movies in the theatre.

Now, if Hollywood wants to get more profits from the Box Office, they really ought to start producing better movies, but that's a whole other ball of wax.

Hollywood out of business? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471677)

Only people putting Hollywood out of business is themselves. Actors get paid too much. Plain and simple.

That explains it. (2, Funny)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471680)

Now I understand why the movie theater is always packed with a lineup around the block whenever a cool movie comes out. It's because nobody's going to the theater, and they are staying home to wait for the DVD.

Seriously, does this guy GO to the movies?

who? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4471682)

who is this actor who supposedly made $100,000,000 on a single film?

So basicly it is: (1)

DjMd (541962) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471683)

1. Record movies, and make DVDs...

2. ....?

3. No profit?

Ummm (2)

4of12 (97621) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471684)

The solution is obvious: simply release the film once in a great theater experience. Release the DVD , oh, maybe 5 years later.

If they announced their intentions in advance and forewent the extra revenue from the 2nd release on DVD they'd fare better in the long term.

Hollywood disappearing might not be as bad as all that, anyway.

In the long term, people are still willing to pay handsomely for their entertainment and so long as that market exists I think they just have to re-arrange their current business model. It's not the end of the world.

Perhaps... (1)

Timinithis (14891) | more than 11 years ago | (#4471692)

this will open up the door for the independent film makers that have new ideas that the studios think 'won't sell'. Scripts in Hollywood take years and multiple re-writes before a studio is happy.

Other than big budget special effects, that I want to see on the big screen, I don't go to the theaters. There isn't any content that hasn't been done before and Hollywood *always* trashes the original basis for the movie.

Peter Parker did *not* abandon Mary Jane...of course he originally snapped her neck trying to save her when she was tossed off the bridge, too.
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