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THG Looks at ClawHammer Mobo

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the stuff-to-want dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Tom's Hardware Guide managed to get a first look at the new Socket 754 ClawHammer motherboard. While they don't provide the benchmarks that you might be looking for, they do an excellent job and providing pictures and an overview of the ClawHammer Platform."

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SUCK MY CLAWHAMMER FAGGOTS (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479529)

isnt there a saying... (5, Insightful)

Snuffub (173401) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479535)

I think this pretty much defines putting the cart in front of the horse. still a fun read though.

Re:isnt there a saying... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479551)

THC does what? uh, what were we talking about?

Re:isnt there a saying... (1)

Real World Stuff (561780) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479624)

A relevant post, second in the article, and rated redundant. Moderator on crack! Someone fix this please!

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First Post (-1, Flamebait)

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tubes (4, Interesting)

trollercoaster (250101) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479575)


I love the old-timey tubes used for the sound. I wonder how reliable these will be. I'm old enough to remeber having to replace tubes in our old tv back in the day.

Which tubes are these?? (3, Informative)

Faggot (614416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479743)

For supposedly playing to the low-end audiophile market, AOpen isn't doing a great job. Nowhere can I find what kind of tubes they're using!

Since six channels are being amplified (5.1) and three tubes are present, I'm assuming they're using three double-triodes in Class A configuration. Maybe 12AX7s? [mclink.it] Note to AOpen: people care about this kind of thing.

Re:Which tubes are these?? (3, Interesting)

kevin@ank.com (87560) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479941)

When I saw the first picture of the motherboard with vacuum tubes I was a bit surprised; hey, those look like vacuum tubes. At first I thought the entire article might be a joke, but after reading the article for a bit it certainly seems serious enough.

I suppose they are playing to the home theater market, but I couldn't give a damn personally whether they are using double triodes or anything else. The Altec Lansing speakers I have hooked to my computer are sufficient for basic sound, but they aren't going to come close to filling a room like a real stereo system would. Besides, since when do you need a full amp instead of just a preamp in your computer.

At least they're smart enough (4, Interesting)

spyder913 (448266) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479582)

to have active cooling on the north bridge, too many new, high speed bus mobos are coming out right now with passive cooling that doesn't come close to making it easy to OC.

Re:At least they're smart enough (2)

jmv (93421) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479695)

have active cooling on the north bridge I may have missed something but I was under the impression that on Hammer, the north bridge was on the CPU (not on the board).

Re:At least they're smart enough (1)

spyder913 (448266) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479724)

Well either they have a north bridge, or they have another chip separate from the cpu that does a good job of impersonating the north bridge.

Re:At least they're smart enough (4, Informative)

Merlin42 (148225) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479895)

Actually just one component of the northbridge, the memory controller, was moved into the CPU. Other things such as: AGP interface, interface to southbridge, etc (hmmm is there anything else?) still need to be on a separate chip.

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Too bad that's really a dumb move. (5, Interesting)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479790)

For those of us who like having a motherboard we can place into a system and not have to worry about parts failing on it, the wonderfully solid-state nature of passive cooling is impossible to beat. If I want more performance, I'll either pay more or wait a little while longer, thanks. I want stability and a minimization of moving parts in my PC, because moving parts = failing parts. Failing parts are expensive!

How many active-cooling north bridge motherboards have you owned? I owned one. Its north bridge fan failed after only 3 months of constant use. Compared to every other motherboard I own, none of which require a fan (most don't even require a heatsink, and they power 1Ghz systems!), it was a terrible mistake purchase. I've since replaced it with a motherboard bought specifically because its north brigde used passive cooling. It's given no problems in the year+ of service it's given.

Re:At least they're smart enough (5, Insightful)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479912)

So add a fan on yourself if you want to OC.

Most people don't want to OC. I've done it before and I won't do it again - the added speed isn't worth the instability. Especially if you're planning to keep using the computer for several years.

As others have said, adding yet another fan is a detriment for normal use. It's another mechanical part that will fail - especially since most of the bundled fans are as cheap as they can afford to keep prices down.

One of my buying criteria on a motherboard is passive cooling for the north bridge. I don't need the active cooling and I really don't need the added noise.

Re:At least they're smart enough (1)

Guitarzan (57028) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479948)

YES!!

I just want a computer that I can't hear. Is that really too much to ask?

Interesting (5, Insightful)

Alizarin Erythrosin (457981) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479585)

My co-worker was telling me about this earlier this morning. I especially like the vacuum tubes for the audio on the motherboard. Audiophiles will be drooling over that. Do they make mobos now with that on them?

On a side note, I like the number of pins on the cpu socket. Hammer is gonna be interesting to say the least.

Re:Interesting (5, Informative)

dubiousmike (558126) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479619)

This might be ok for gaming, but having worked for a music software company in the past, we'd ALWAYS tell customers to stay away from mobos with onboard audio. Latency is usually very high which comes into play when recording and playing multiple tracks with live effects.

Drop outs galore.

Re:Interesting (2)

verch (12834) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479641)

But its got tubes! That has got to be the coolest thing I've seen for a long time. HAve to get some more details on this.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479679)

Yeah! At least as cool as this mobo announced a few months ago!

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/03/1822 22 2&mode=thread&tid=126

Lamer.

Re:Interesting (2)

dubiousmike (558126) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479844)

I agree - the tubes theoretically would privide for a cleaner sound (signal to noise ratio?). Just don't bump your box too hard.

no, not THAT...

Re:Interesting (2, Interesting)

p3d0 (42270) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479931)

Tubes do not theoretically provide for a cleaner sound. Theoretically, transistors can do a better job, but audiophiles have been drooling over tubes for decades now anyway. My theory is that they produce a kind of distortion that sounds good to the human ear.

Re:Interesting (3, Interesting)

Zathrus (232140) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479950)

Tubes have far worse SNR's than discrete amps do.

People who prefer tube amps do it because of the different sound they lend to the music - not because of SNR or THD, both of which are higher than modern discrete amps.

Re:Interesting (2)

iomud (241310) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479712)

Agreed, the inside of a computer is a notoriously bad place for making sound.

Re:Interesting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479864)

I don't know about this. The insides of my computer makes lots of sound.

Re:Interesting (1)

verch (12834) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479668)

It seems this has been done already by AOpen [aopen.com.tw] .

Re:Interesting (2)

(startx) (37027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479683)

Did you even click the link and view the first page of the article? this is an aopen board.

Re:Interesting (2)

GypC (7592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479691)

Plus, they look cool! Makes you want to build one of those acrylic case kits [ocia.net] to show it off.

Re:Interesting (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479703)

Absolutely NOT a good idea. Besides the heat concerns and the microphonic nature of vacuum tubes, putting them in the EM radiation bath that is a computer case with the heavy vibrations that you'll need from the fans that have to cool that thing means that this will sound much worse than a well-engineered soundcard.

Jeez. Pay $60 for a Turtle Beach card and be done with is unless you LIKE overheating, humming audio, and replacing tube.

Re:Interesting (2, Interesting)

CrypticOutsider (615336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479719)

My co-worker was telling me about this earlier this morning. I especially like the vacuum tubes for the audio on the motherboard. Audiophiles will be drooling over that. Do they make mobos now with that on them?

I find it very interesting that they would put tubes on there for the center, satellite and stereo channels. From my experience rec.audio.* groups (sampling of the "high end" users that have computers), those that prefer the tube sound would probably not buy a mobo with that (preferring instead to waste $20k on an amp that would do it for them).

Of course, since a tube just distorts the sound anyway, and you already have a computer, why not just provide a setting for a tube EQ?

This is ignoring the marketing effects of having the tube there: maybe it will work for the novelty factor.

Re:Interesting (5, Interesting)

Faggot (614416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479822)

I find it very interesting that they would put tubes on there for the center, satellite and stereo channels. From my experience rec.audio.* groups (sampling of the "high end" users that have computers), those that prefer the tube sound would probably not buy a mobo with that (preferring instead to waste $20k on an amp that would do it for them).

Tube power amps sound just a little bit better than their solid-state counterparts. The place where tubes really shine is in Class A (non-push-pull) amplification, which is generally used in the preamp phase. It's here where tubes' famous even-order harmonics are produced -- it's these octave harmonics which make tube sound so sweet and agreeable to human ears. Taking audio from a regular computer sound card, audio which has been produced with a solid-state preamp, and pumping it through a $20k tube power amp is just what you called -- a waste. However, when tubes are intimately involved in the sound production within the computer and are used for preamplification, you can hook it up to a $150 solid-state power amp and it will sound better than sound from a regular soundcard.

Re:Interesting (1)

CrypticOutsider (615336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479925)

Tube power amps sound just a little bit better than their solid-state counterparts. The place where tubes really shine is in Class A (non-push-pull) amplification, which is generally used in the preamp phase. It's here where tubes' famous even-order harmonics are produced -- it's these octave harmonics which make tube sound so sweet and agreeable to human ears. Taking audio from a regular computer sound card, audio which has been produced with a solid-state preamp, and pumping it through a $20k tube power amp is just what you called -- a waste. However, when tubes are intimately involved in the sound production within the computer and are used for preamplification, you can hook it up to a $150 solid-state power amp and it will sound better than sound from a regular soundcard.

Right, but you're still paying extra for distortion. Now you may consider it sweet sounding, but it's still distortion. I don't have a problem with that, since you should enjoy listening to it.

I just find the juxtaposition of old and new very odd. That is, finding tubes that most people (OK, maybe just me :) associate with people who still cling to turntables and avoid CD players bundled onto a mobo for the next generation high performance (at least from the specs) AMD chip.

But I think that it may be more of a nod to the casemod crowd (and I guess I must belong having done the etching and neon for a computer for someone): it's aesthetically unique.

Re:Interesting (2)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479847)

Sounds to me like a good way to bring in some extra income, charge for new tubes.

Personally, I use amp'ed headphones for my PC, 5.1 is for my living room.

Re:Interesting (2)

dildatron (611498) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479883)

Don't argue with their logic! There is none! It's for the same reason many of them think LP's sound better than modern media. They might, but it is because they distort sound somewhat, providing a little "Warmer" sound. They sound different, and one may like the different sound, but it is hard to argue that it is "better".

Re:Interesting (2)

dildatron (611498) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479863)

I would think audiophiles would be puking their guts out screaming bloody mary between puke-vapored breaths.

Most people that are really anal about sound(not me, BTW), would tell you to get as far away from things like your computer as possible. True that, there is a lot of RF emissions going on inside that little box.

Of course, these are the same people that argue that speaker wire void of oxygen sounds better. I think many of them are full of shit in some respects, as the placebo effect convinces them that it sounds better. I could be wrong though. I just know some of them claim to hear things that humans can't hear (i.e., outside of our hearing spectrum).

For a good laugh, wade through a few of the audiophile newsgroups on google. You will see what I am talking about. They are so completely anal I think it is funny.

Re:Interesting (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479942)

As a matter of fact, your mom is anal too.

Re:Interesting (1)

Anne Thwacks (531696) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479989)

There are only 10 kinds of people in this world... those who understand binary and those who don't

The original quote was from a British minister of education in the early 1960's who said "You can divide people into two groups: those who can be further divided into other groups, and those who can't!" Of course computers were all decimal then.

This chance remark led to the introduciton of binary arithmetic. Since there were eight computers in the country, this rapidly led to the invention of Octal. (Can I say 073?)

Vacuum? (5, Funny)

Trusty Penfold (615679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479595)


They have vacuum tubes on the motherboard for 5.1 surround sound.

Are they crazy?!? Everyone knows that sound doesn't travel through a vacuum.

Re:Vacuum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479629)

The electrical impulses go throught the vacuum tubes, not the sound!

Re:Vacuum? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479833)

Don't you mean the electronical pulses?

Re:Vacuum? (5, Funny)

dubiousmike (558126) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479652)

Are they crazy?!? Everyone knows that sound doesn't travel through a vacuum.

Neither do private parts, but that doesn't stop 1 in 10 of geeks who work from home.

:P

Re:Vacuum? (1)

CptNoSkill (528594) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479682)

If only I could moderated that -1 painfull... er... that's what I heard, I wouldn't happen to know....

WTF??? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479602)

Hey, what is this CrackHooker Mofo you fruitcakes are going on about here????

OMG what a load of pics.. (-1, Redundant)

The J Kid (266953) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479614)

OMG what a load of pics..when they say 'taking a look' they shure mean 'taking a look'..by jove!

Seems to me... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479615)

.. that if these guys wanted to do the "right thing" and keep all that trash out of landfills, they would not be scratching the CD's. If they are not damaged, and still wrapped, then potentially AOL could just "recycle" them and resend them out again.

I think its just a publicity stunt to get their 15 minutes of fame.

Re:Seems to me... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479814)

Wrong story tard.

32 Bit PCI (4, Interesting)

shoemakc (448730) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479626)

What, still only 32-bit PCI slots? :::yawn:::

-Chris

Re:32 Bit PCI (3, Insightful)

Jim Norton (453484) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479737)

This is probably only a reference board, and one for a desktop user at that. 64-bit PCI slots are of marginal utility for a workstation user.

Re:32 Bit PCI (2)

Blkdeath (530393) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479807)

What, still only 32-bit PCI slots? :::yawn:::
Yeah, wake me when I can properly accomplish fibre-channel and GigE.

100BaseTX is so passee...

Re:32 Bit PCI (1)

GonzoTech (613147) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479944)

Better to have 32 PCIs than to live in the dark with ISA, MCA, and VESA. Eewww.. Mom, get it away from me!! GonzoTech Me

down (0, Offtopic)

(startx) (37027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479637)

fastest /.'ing of tomshardware.....ever!

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Clawhammer Mobo? (5, Funny)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479639)

I had a really bad case of that three years ago after eating glutenized squid.

No wait, wasn't he Darth Maul's second cousin?

No, I'll get it. Doesn't it attach to the Incus and transmit computer sounds to the ear drums?

Oh, I give up.

Re:Clawhammer Mobo? (2)

unicron (20286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479918)

I know what this is. It's a snow cone maker. Is it an espresso machine? Oh, I know. It's a water heater.

Tube Board. (3, Interesting)

Deathlizard (115856) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479646)

Interesting that Aopen is showing off another Tube Audio Board. This one with a three tube design for even more powerful sound.

I wonder if this trend is going to continue on more of aopen's boards. There must be a demand for the original tube board if they play on making a more powerful 3 tube version in the future.

memory (2, Insightful)

hedley (8715) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479648)

3 DDR slots? I know there are loading issues with lots of that ram but this chip needs RAM it has a 40bit address bus coming out of it. At least 12GB physical ram, then it will be a serious challenge to high end cad machines. It they aim at just replacing your desktop, it will not do very well in my opinion.

Hedley

Vacum Tubes (5, Interesting)

mojowantshappy (605815) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479649)

I am just curoius, wouldn't the vacum tubes tend to shatter somewhat easily? I carry my PC around quite a bit for LAN games and the like and if I were to ever drop my computer, that would really screw them up. Damn these weak, nerdy arms! -

Re:Vacum Tubes (2, Insightful)

jhawkins (609878) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479687)

As opposed to what happens when your drop your PC without vacuum tubes in it?
Does it just fire right up after you drop it?
I think, vacuum tubes or not, dropping a computer is not a good idea.

Re:Vacum Tubes (1)

Moloch666 (574889) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479929)

Mine fired up after dropping... 6 am after an all night LAN party can be rough. The faceplate on my floppy drive came off. That was the only visible and known damage.

Re:Vacum Tubes (2)

panurge (573432) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479718)

Personally I think the vacuum tubes are exceptionally stupid, and have been ever since MOSFETs could handle the power (and produce much less heat). Once upon a time people were "upgrading" their tube amps by replacing the input stages with higher quality, and lower noise, FET devices.
But no, they are probably more robust than the CPU is with the pressure of the heatsink on it. The remaining available tube designs are basically military in origin.

In fact, I once had a tube catalog which had a section on tubes for computers, though these were of course for digital applications rather than analog.

Re:Vacum Tubes (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479990)

You're more likely to knock your CPU (if it has a cooler on it) out of it's socket than damage the tubes (or valves as the brits call 'em.)

Assuming there's three tubes on the board along with all the other heat generating devices, you might want to think about better cooling.

There's some car-audio semiconductor-tube hybrids, but the word I've heard is avoid them. Go tube all the way or don't go tube at all.

Re:Vacum Tubes (1)

KodaK (5477) | more than 11 years ago | (#4480001)

wouldn't the vacum tubes tend to shatter somewhat easily

Not really. I've got loads of amps that have tubes in them. Never had a problem with them shattering, even when things get a little rough. :) Now, they do burn out though, but that's so rare it's hardly worth talking about.

confused (0)

omegakidd (592638) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479664)

I am still confused about the three tubes.

Re:confused (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479831)

It's just like the three seashells...

Unfortunately, maybe 2h/2003. (4, Interesting)

WittyName (615844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479671)

During AMD's earnings conference call they delayed the rollout of clawhammer/opteron AGAIN. This assumes they are still in business.. (They have been losing money for a while)

Re:Unfortunately, maybe 2h/2003. (2)

tsetem (59788) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479765)

I don't want AMD to go out of business. But if they do, I hope Intel has the decency to buy the technology and use it, rather than let it completely die off.

Re:Unfortunately, maybe 2h/2003. (1)

druzicka (314802) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479988)

If AMD did go under (God forbid), Intel would be likely to purchase a lot of AMD Intellectual Property, but I think that the motivation would be to keep it out of National Semiconductor's (or any other fabless chipmaker that wants to get into the Intel-compatible processor market) hands.

Re:Unfortunately, maybe 2h/2003. (5, Interesting)

Jim Norton (453484) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479782)

If we are talking about the same thing, I believe they have stated they are DE-EMPHASIZING the Clawhammer ... in other words, its still on track for release in the first half of 2003 (still way off compared to their roadmap, of course) with Opteron in the 2H03.

Right now AMD is working towards profitability, meaning going after markets which are stronger (which are, right now, the value microprocessor market) thus the de-emphasizing of the latest and greatest.

Six more pictures (5, Informative)

loomis (141922) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479680)

Here [planet3dnow.de]

Also has a brief blurb in German

Loomis

PAGE WIDENING IS BACK! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479692)

It beats the bandwidth of a lorry full of back up tapes!
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IRONING OUT THE BUGS OF SLASHCODE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479715)

Maldas not done until pages wont widen!
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I might be missing something but... (-1, Flamebait)

nebenfun (530284) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479729)

aren't vacuum tubes a little dated?

what's next? a computer with cassette tape storage?

on the positive side, I will finally find a use for my paper-hole puncher.
nbfn

Why vacuum tubes? (5, Interesting)

f97tosc (578893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479735)

Certainly the true audiophiles often use tubes for their systems, but this does not mean that these are superior for all situations.

What kind of sound will go through the system? A normal transistor has a 'snappier' sound to it, which is better for a lot of modern music, and I would imagine for sound effects in computer games.

I guess if you want the best for your classical LPs then maybe this is something for you, er, no, then you would be better of to get a real amplifier.

Tor

Re:Why vacuum tubes? (3, Insightful)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479969)

I don't belive this has to really do with sound quality. Vac tubes are a cost item that wear out after time (ohh money) and are probably provided so you don't have to buy powered speaker systems (I am sure Altec is going to be pissed about that). We won't know until they start selling to the general public. I hope that this is just a temporary fad and they'll come to their senses

Mad props to the halloween troll (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479756)

For discovering a new way to widen!
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Older Link, Computex pictures (5, Informative)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479773)

Mostly mockups, but here's some of what to be expecting in the future, at x-bit labs [xbitlabs.com]

Over on the Enquirer [theinquirer.net] , a correction was made to an article overnight concerning shipment dates for the Clawhammer, it will not be further pushed back, to first half of '03.

Looking that stock quotes this morning I saw this: INTC INTEL CORP 14.0099 -1.5%
I assume Yahoo stock reporting is still using one of those weird old Pentiums

Can i widen my ass like goatse.cx? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479784)

If you can see this, i can!
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Gotta love the tubes (3, Funny)

WhiteChocolate42 (618371) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479787)

1. hack BIOS to utilize vacuum tubes in other ways 2. combine linux with ham radio technology 3. ??? 4. Profit!

What are Vacuum tubes? (1)

or_smth (473159) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479802)

Out of plain curiousity (and probably because of inexperience) I'm curious on what exactly vacuum tubes are in relationship to sound, what advantages/disadvantages they offer and anything else interesting to know. Also, if they are as good as they look, are there any PC sound cards that use vacuum tubes for audio? It is kind of funny to note that we have a consumer level 64 bit processor on the hand and all we can talk about is the vacuum tubes :).

Anyone care to answer?

Re:What are Vacuum tubes? (5, Informative)

f97tosc (578893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479966)

Out of plain curiousity (and probably because of inexperience) I'm curious on what exactly vacuum tubes are in relationship to sound, what advantages/disadvantages they offer and anything else interesting to know

Vacuum tubes were used before the invention of transistors. They serve basically the same function, but are much bigger, draw more power and are slower in their response. For these reasons, they are hardly used any more.

However, when they are used to amplify sounds, they give a somewhat different sound than do transistors. Many audiophiles argue that the vacuum tube sound is superior.

However, and now comes my personal opinion, recently something of a hype has started around tubes. People who don't really know much about sound systems take tubes as a guarantee for getting superior performance. They fail to realize that the sounds are just different and which one is superior is largely a matter of personal taste - and what type of sound is being amplified. I am not at all convinced that tubes are better for sound effects in games, for example (as they have a slower response).

Tor

Maldas |======D (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479803)

Is smaller than the subject line penis!
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If you liked the vacuum tube sound system... (5, Funny)

Hayzeus (596826) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479808)

... you're just going to love the relay-based video accelerator...

Oh man (1)

p3d0 (42270) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479984)

I'm literally weeping with laughter here.

nobr tags are your best freind (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479818)

And tacos nightmare!
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AOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479835)

Hey, how does AOL get it's own CPU pins?? It's along with PMU, whatever that is.

since nobody else will do it (-1, Offtopic)

w1r3sp33d (593084) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479855)

imagine a Beowulf cluster of those! (bet it would stand up to a ./'ing!)

Wider than the phonixes wings (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4479859)

No wonder dinosours like mozilla are extinct.!
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Thats Awesome (-1, Offtopic)

greymond (539980) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479888)

The idea is hilarious, I just wish the article listed there website or an address where I could send them my cd's.

In fact their idea gives me the idea of mailing out my creative endevours to all the junk mail offices that send me stuff.

Re:Thats Awesome (0)

greymond (539980) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479910)

Damnit I posted to the wrong article comments - WTF?!

Clawhammer platform? (2)

sharkey (16670) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479922)

They've been around for a long time. Here's one [toolbagsa.com.au] that's component-based, so you can "roll your own".

754 pins?! (1)

qurob (543434) | more than 11 years ago | (#4479932)


The socket of the future at AMD breaks a new record in the x86 world with 754 pins. The Intel Xeon is based on 603 pins.

Somehow, I don't think they WANTED to use 25% more pins than Intel.

Socket 7 has 321 pins, Socket A has 462...

Pins != Performance :o)
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