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100 Teraflop Cray to Use Opterons

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the super-chips dept.

AMD 277

ackthpt writes "Code named Red Storm, Cray and Sandia National Laboratories (US Dept. of Energy) to build a 100 Teraflop super computer employing AMD's Opteron (Hammer) processors. Alluded to in the WSJ (non-free-as-in-beer subscription required), also in Infoworld, and Reuters."

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277 comments

Just Imagine (-1, Redundant)

Astrorunner (316100) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498558)

...bah you know the line

does this come with a beowulf option? (-1)

neal n bob (531011) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498566)

like a cluster of FPs?

Niggers? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498573)

I bet niggers couldn't have built this if they had all the zebras in Africa.

Captain Opteron (5, Funny)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498575)

There's something comic-bookish about that name... maybe it's just cos it sounds like a Transformer.

Re:Captain Opteron (3, Funny)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498675)

Megatron: Opterons merge to form Crayaking!

Re:Captain Opteron (2)

JPelorat (5320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498903)

May be better not to use Crayaking - SearchKing might get pissy and sue =)

Calculon (3, Funny)

csb (23046) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498693)

Once again, AMD missed their chance. They should have named the K8 after the male lead on the robot soap-opera that Bender watches on Futurama:

"Calculon! We thought you were dead!"

Re:Captain Opteron (5, Funny)

merz (550238) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498706)

The Amdbots vs. The Intelicons. I like it.

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498576)

FP!

hey.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498577)

i wonder if it will be more powerful than smurfs?

Wow! (3, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498583)

Dang! Just imagine a Beow--

Ah, never mind.

(Shuffle, shuffle.)

Re:Wow! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498636)

Damnit, this is not funny, mod it back down.

Now on the other hand I seem to recall a picture of a naked petrified Nat Portman. Does anyone still have a link to that?

Re:Wow! (0, Offtopic)

JHelgie (598219) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498754)

How is this Score:5, funny, yet the first post, which is in all respects, almost THE EXACT SAME THING, is Score: 0, Troll?

Re:Wow! (2)

io333 (574963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498832)

Actually I don't think it is possible for the human brain to imagine something so hot it would melt the sun.

LOL (1, Insightful)

Junky191 (549088) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498584)

Ok I'm not going to use any words that even resemble beowulf or cluster in this post anywhere!

Hopefully AMD will be able to produce a quality product that far down the road. They've been bleeding money at an alarming rate and some say they're focusing too much on marketing instead of engineering- much like 3dfx did back in the day. Let's hope this pans out- my framerate could definitely be more killer.

Re:LOL (2, Redundant)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498642)

> Ok I'm not going to use any words that even resemble beowulf or cluster in this post anywhere!

Somehow, I doubt this.

temporary setback (5, Insightful)

GunFodder (208805) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498776)

AMD has been suffering recently because they are focusing their efforts on Opteron, and meanwhile Athlon isn't getting any younger. This is a temporary setback; if Opteron is any good then AMD will be performance competitive again, allowing them to sell at higher price points and get a better margin.

AMD was in the same funk back when Intel released the Pentium II and AMD was still working on Athlon. Once AMD got Athlon out the door they started doing a lot better.

Framerate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498845)

I know, you need that 100 frames/sec when playing doom 3 even though the human eye can only see up to 50 frames/sec.

Non-free? (0, Troll)

Devil's BSD (562630) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498588)

I don't know how many guns you own, but beer is free. :)

Bad joke. Sorry.

Re:Non-free? (0)

l33t j03 (222209) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498613)

Where are these free guns you speak of? Stop teasing me.

The mighty have fallen (5, Informative)

zmalone (542264) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498594)

This sort of thing must just be braking all the classic Crayons hearts. I mean, people were getting upset when Cray started building the T3 series Alpha based stuff, nowadays they are cooperating with Dell and making AMD based clusters. At least they have a new [cray.com] vector machine coming out soon.

Re:The mighty have fallen (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498628)

Relax, they could always overclock them and use liquid nitrogen cooling. ;-)

You can't imagine how this deal has to leave Intel smarting.

Re:The mighty have fallen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498674)

They know HP/Compuqe haven't got the means to produce quality Alphas. Bet-hedging is all this is.

Re:The mighty have fallen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498720)

Crayons? I thought those were things that you drew pictures with???

Re:The mighty have fallen (4, Interesting)

anzha (138288) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498795)

Yes...and no. What we have been upset by is that people have been trying to shoehorn in all problem sets to MPPs and clusters. There are problems which do so, and do so well.

HOWEVER! Not all do by any stretch. Certain problems map well onto certain architectures.

The second reason is that quite frankly, clusters are boring. Rack, after rack of parts I can buy at Fry's or as a workstation just doesn't have much interest for us. I mean, where's the excitement in thousands of PCs...It's kewl for about 30 seconds and then you have to deal with teh headaches of keeping it up and running...

I'd love to have dozens of interesting architectures running around, not just vector, cluster, and MPP. If five of them could be spun out of slashdot - yeah, right - or anywhere, then we'd be very happy campers.

Re:The mighty have forgoten the first grade (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498871)

Jesus H. Christ, have any of you people ever spent ten minutes in grade school?

The writer said "braking hearts". Which means that hearts are being slowed down, like your car when you apply the brakes.

Now if he meant that this was making Cray lovers broken hearted, he should learn to SPELL. It's BREAK, dumbass.

How in the hell can someone too stupid to spell a five letter word call himself a nerd?

Throw that God damned spell checker away, you illiterate morons.

Re:The mighty have fallen (3, Funny)

dubiousmike (558126) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498895)

This sort of thing must just be braking all the classic Crayons hearts.

Especially those which got phased out in the age of political correctness like indian Red and Prussian Blue. [enquirer.com]

Never thought I'd ever be linking to the Enquirer. I feel dirty.

Cool.. but (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498598)

I wonder if it will be as fast as the computer William Shatner and Priceline.com use?

Just imagine... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498600)

...building a supercomputer as a cluster of commodity off-the-shelf personal computers, interconnected with a local area network technology like Ethernet, and running programs written for parallel processing out of those!

Re:Just imagine... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498662)

...building a supercomputer as a cluster of commodity off-the-shelf personal computers, interconnected with a local area network technology like Ethernet, and running programs written for parallel processing out of those!

Sounds like Google?

hmmm... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498609)

I wonder if those are PR ratings that they're throwing out!

If the Opteron's anything like my T-bird, that supercomputer's going to melt a hole to the center of the earth a la Chernobyl.

Sandia's reliance on supercomputers make me nervou (-1, Troll)

Adam Rightmann (609216) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498620)

s, very nervous.

I'm sure all the nuclear scientists think that they've got the equations modeled right, but I'm sure most of you who've programmed have felt that way, until you tried to compile and execute your program (real programmers, I'm not talking interpreted baby languages like Basic or Perl), and then you were amazed by your simple syntax errors, and astonished by your modeling misconceptions.

Basically, Sandia is betting the safety and sanctity of the Free World on computer simulations, while across the oceans, Godless Commies are building and testing their nuclear arsenals using the low tech, but proven method of blowing holes in the desert. Just like the SA-80 vs. the Ak-47, given the chance against untested high tech and proven low tech, the low tech wins in the beginning stages (Which is all the we would have in nuclear war).

Please, contact your local senator and representative, explain the dire need for the US to resume nuclear testing to prove that we have a valid, proven deterrent. We may nuke a few more Nevadans and Utahians, but they're dope-smoking whores and heretical polygamists, respectively. It's better that we detonate a few nukes, than rely on unproven simulations and end up being ruled by inscrutable atheistic Chinese overlords in a generation.

Re:Sandia's reliance on supercomputers make me ner (1)

Astrorunner (316100) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498680)

Just so we can nuke 11 million chinese with one warhead instead of only 10 million?

Cry me a river.

Re:Sandia's reliance on supercomputers make me ner (2)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498721)

resume nuclear testing b/c we really don't know what they do...

Nuclear testing is sorta pointless. Nuclear weapons cause long-term irreversable destruction and human death.

I really don't see a need to restart testing.

These countries that have nuclear weapons programs currently, aren't going to be deterred by us testing them. They are going to be deterred by us using them (which is really not going to happen in the forseeable future).

Mod parent down please.

why does this matter? (-1, Troll)

tps12 (105590) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498622)

Teraflops? Crays? Opterons for Pete's sakes?!? This article writeup barely manages to squeeze enough articles and conjunctions in among the marketing buzzwords to qualify it as English!

Meanwhile, the recession grows ever greater, and I'm in hock up to my loogies just keeping my family housed, shorn, and clod. The average geek doesn't give two shakes about Flopceratops when the stock market is in the pits and we're teetering on the brink of thermonucular war.

you are retarded. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498757)

n/t.

UT (0, Insightful)

csnydermvpsoft (596111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498630)

I wonder what kind of framerates UT would get on this thing. Of course, they would have to use software rendering, but it'd still be dang fast.<g>

Re:UT (4, Informative)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498697)

On the 1.8 clawhammer with software rendering?

About 10.

UT (and every other game out there right now) assigns itself (its processer affinity) to the first CPU available. It makes absolutely no use of SMP or parallel execution whatsoever.

So it'll run on CPU 0, and the other 90 bazillion will sit idle.

Interestingly enough, all the gamer kiddies saving up for a shiney new Prescott based P4 with hyper-threading will see no advantage either, for the same reason.

AFAIK, Doom III will actually make use of concurrently executing threads, and there's rumor of a new UT2k3 exe that will, as well.

Programming for parallel CPU's is a whole new ballgame, and the rules are still being written.

Re:UT (3, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498851)

Quake3 and its offshoots (mostly) supported smp, good for online servers but for your homebox, the video card is what it needs to pump out the FPS.

I personally went from a dual box to a single cpu (price/ghz), and I miss how smooth windows was on a dual box. Any dialog box, or hardware (floppy/cdrom) or network share can pause your system. Hyperthreading will not increase your speed on games, but it will make your whole (win) OS smoother, which is VERY noticable.

Re:UT (2)

qengho (54305) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498911)

UT...makes absolutely no use of SMP or parallel execution whatsoever.

Just tried it under OS X on a dual 1GHz and top shows the CPU spiking at 112%. Something's letting it have part of the second processor (or maybe those guys at Westlake are really, really efficient programmers).

Re:UT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498745)

insightful???? honestly. insightful???? c'mon

you are retarded. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498866)

n/t

Real question (-1)

blu3b3rry (612385) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498638)

How many FPS in q3a? hehe

you are retarded. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498929)

n
t

Might want to check out what Cray and Sandia (5, Informative)

anzha (138288) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498654)

Cray and Sandia say it is a 40 tera*OP* system, not a 100 teraflop one. See what Cray says here [cray.com] and what Sandia says here [sandia.gov] The really interesting thing is not the processor, but rather the interconnect which seems to be very similar to the torus used in the T3E [cray.com] .

In other supercomputing news, check out what NERSC [nersc.gov] is proposing for their Earth Simulator Response Proposal [nersc.gov] . It's a 160 teraflop machine...

Units nitpicking (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498830)

Since the expression "100 teraflop" contains no time related unit, it probably refers to the total number of flop that will be delivered by the system running at 40 teraflop/s before its predicted meltdown after 2.5 s.

Re:Might want to check out what Cray and Sandia (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498855)

Obviously, you have bought into the OP myth. This new system, using AMD processors, is the EQUIVALENT of 100 teraflops.

additional link (2, Informative)

twocents (310492) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498660)

http://www.ccs.ornl.gov/PR/craytest.html

Buy the stock? (0)

neildiamond (610251) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498663)

I've been wondering if it was time to buy AMD's stock yet. I was going to wait until they were closer to the release of their new 64 bit chips, but I might have to jump on the hypewagon a little earlier.

Re:Buy the stock? (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498703)

You should have bought their stock on Friday, AMD is up 25.5%

Re:Buy the stock? (0)

neildiamond (610251) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498740)

Yeah I was going to, but I just got started at E-Trade and they don't let 1st time users buy stocks under $5. At least they won't for a little while.

OT but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498664)

I really need to know, what's the difference between free and "free as in beer" ?

Please explain.

Re:OT but... (2, Informative)

merz (550238) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498758)

Its "free-as-in-speech" vs "free-as-in-beer". The first takes free to mean a basic right, while the second just refers to something that has no cost.

Re:OT but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498908)

The free-as-in-beer term doesn't make a lot of sense if you ask me. Beer isn't free, the recipe (source code) doesn't come with it when you buy it. I suppose the buzz is free with the beer, but why else would you drink it? It seems to me that free-as-in-pee makes a lot more sense :)

Return of Vector Processing (4, Interesting)

drhairston (611491) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498667)

"Cray Chairman and CEO Jim Rottsolk said Red Storm reflects Cray's strategy to deliver high-efficiency, high bandwidth supercomputer systems. "Red Storm embodies the same design philosophy as our new Cray X1(TM) vector-based product in a highly cost-effective superscalar architecture and will be a key initiative for Cray."

Quoted from the Cray Press Release [cray.com] .

Ah, I remember my days on the venerable Cray Y-MP, optimizing my programs for vector processing. I am unsure how Cray has managed to make a combined parallel-vector machine like the Y-MP [uiuc.edu] out of PC chips provided by AMD, but I do not envy the programmers who must now begin the task of vector-optimizing their code to take advantage of this beast.

I had hoped that this idea died with Cray. Apparently not.

Re:Return of Vector Processing (4, Informative)

anzha (138288) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498971)

Better reparse what he said. it uses the same design philosophy, not the same architecture. The X1 and Red Storm are distinctly different machines.

More of what you are worried about is this [computer.org] . That might be both scary and fun to code for.

However, it looks like vector processing is on the upswing, not down. It hit rock bottom during the 90s...

Heating issues? (5, Interesting)

Spazholio (314843) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498669)

Now, I know that my little ol' Athlon runs hot as a mother, so I can't imagine the cooling necessary to keep this baby running at an optimal temperature. Last I heard (and I could be mistaken), Crays were cooled by bring submerged in liquid nitrogen, and more recently with some sort of liquid plasma cooling (don't ask me, I have NO idea how something like that would work). Does anyone have any information on how they're going to keep this thing from incinerating itself the moment it's turned on?

Re:Heating issues? (1)

Mikeydude750 (607965) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498728)

Simple, Liquid nitrogen(with a lot more than the normal Athlons would need, a LOT more).

I've heard that the Opteron will not run as fast as the T-bird did. It will run more like the new T-bred B(sounds the same, don't it?).

Re:Heating issues? (2, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498731)

I'd imagine some sort of phase-change system (same as an air conditioning unit uses).

For 90 mill, I doubt you'd see a bay bus with a bunch of Delta 80mm fans..

Re:Heating issues? (5, Informative)

ketamine-bp (586203) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498817)

for the AMD CPU's, they use Liquid N2 with phase-change system (as described in prev. posts).

for the part of 'plasma cooling', it's similar (in non-scientific term) to laser cooling, which relates to absorbing momentum. (you may want to find some information on the plasma section of http://www.arxiv.org/ if you want to know 'bout that.)

Re:Heating issues? (5, Informative)

fgodfrey (116175) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498907)

Crays have never been cooled by liquid nitrogen or any other super-cold liquid. The explanation for this that was given to me is that the super-cooling causes too great a temperature change to keep the parts reliable as they have to be warmed up every time they are turned on.


The Cray 1 and Cray X-MP were cooled by a freon-cooled cold plate. The Y-MP, C90, T3D, and T3E have a chilled liquid called Flourinert (some derivative of an artificial blood plasma, I believe, which is made by 3M) cirulating through a cold plate between boards. The Cray 2 and Cray T90 were cooled by being immersed in a vat of Flourinert. The Y-MP/EL, J90, and SV1 are all air cooled. The X1 (aka SV2) is cooled by spraying Flourinert onto the chips.


I believe, though I'm not 100% certain, that this system will be air cooled, presumably by lots of big fans :)

Re:Heating issues? (5, Informative)

Dukebytes (525932) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498940)

Good question - can't imagine the heat that it would generate.
Found this on the web -

http://www.cs.uu.nl/wais/html/na-dir/computer/syst em/cray/faq.html

"Keeping it cool - The development of Cray cooling technology allowed each technology generation to increase the circuit board density.
"Someone (perhaps Gary Smaby? I truly don't remember) once said that Cray Research was primarily a refrigerator company."

Cray-1: Single sided boards clamped to copper plates placed in aluminium racks that had cooling fluid in tubes.
XMP: Double side sandwich boards clamped to twin copper plates placed in aluminium racks which had cooling fluid in tubes.
Cray-2,3,4: Immersion cooling. The CPU and memory boards sat in a bath of electrically inert cooling fluid.
YMP, C90, T3d LC, T3e MC: Double-sided circuit boards clamped to hollow aluminium boards in which the cooling fluid circulated.
El,J90,T3eAC,SV-1: Blown air cooling.
T90: Immersion cooling. The CPU and memory boards sat in a bath of electrically inert cooling fluid."

I was up close and personal with an older Cray once - it was basically a tower of CPUs and very very short cables - and a whole bunch of cooling "units" srounding it. They were built into something like bench seats - the tech that was showing us around said they put those in so the guys could sit down and rest once in a while in peace :).

Duke

Re:Heating issues? (4, Informative)

subgeek (263292) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498962)

one thing the opteron will have going for it is a heat spreader. intel uses this technique on the p4. it allows better heat transference and a larger surface area so the temperature is more spread out. one of the reasons athlons are hot is because a lot of work is done in a small area.

another is silicon-on-insulator (soi) where a layer of glass insulates each layer of silicon from the next. this allows lower voltages to be used because there is less interferance.

but even after all of that the opteron might run cooler than your athlon, but probably still run hotter than an intel chip at the same clock speed. check out the article on www.tomshardware.com (to lazy to look up the link) and take a look at the basic opteron heat sink requirements. must have copper contact area. bolts to mobo, not to socket (probably to cover for the added weight of the copper).

but that's just the regular opteron set-up.

wait, i forgot, amd fire comments are funny, right? maybe you didn't want discussion. too late now.

Not as hot as a tube? (1)

m11533 (263900) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498995)

We have gotten quite accustomed to the very cool and efficient operation of our high density VLSI microprocessors. How soon we forget the days when computers were constructed not of VLSI devices, nor even discrete component semiconductors, but good old tubes! Those babies got HOT! I can't imagine cooling on the scale of a supercomputer is any more difficult than cooling the old discrete component and tube computers had been. I would guess the primary challenge is finding a cost efficient cooling technique that efficiently absorbs the heat from all of those CPU chips.

Oh well. Code named red storm..? (2, Funny)

ketamine-bp (586203) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498685)

from the infoworld report:
The machine, code-named Red Storm, will require over 16,000 microprocessors to achieve that performance level, according to a researcher quoted in the Journal report.

This can be rephrased easily into
The machine, named code-red Storm, will require over 16,000 microprocessors' performance level to archive that, according to a researcher quoted in the Journal report.

oh well.

Re:Oh well. Code named red storm..? (2, Funny)

user32.ExitWindowsEx (250475) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498743)

"code-red Storm"

Is it going to be running an unpatched version of Windows on an OC-48 line?

/me cringes in horror

you are retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498955)

man what is up with you fucking slashbots today

100 Tetaflop Cray (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498688)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those!!!

you are retarded. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498979)

ssia

Yay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498717)

Maybe now AMD won't go the way of the buffalos... or was that buffalo? No, not buffalo: Apple.

Water cooled (3, Interesting)

djstrehl (617404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498724)

This will be really cool because I would imagine this will be water cooled like Cray's other computers. I can see the online adds now.. "Personal water cooling setup. As seen on the Cray Red Storm"

Re:Water cooled (2)

fgodfrey (116175) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498987)

See my post above. Crays in the past were cooled by 3 things, none of them water: Freon, Flourinert, and air. Circulating large amounts of water through a system that uses as much power as ours do is, well, a bit on the risky side :)

next generation == last generation (3, Interesting)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498725)

Indeed, things do not look very good for AMD. Is there any AMD believers to explain how they will survive through next year? A $254 million loss in a quarter is not very convincing. Apparently, the have had to take a huge risk with putting the money in the design of this "new generation". Is it good enough?

Re:next generation == last generation (1)

Mikeydude750 (607965) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498756)

I hope so. I don't want to see such a good company go down, and die while Intel contiunes to dominate the market.

Re:next generation == last generation (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498783)

A $254 million loss in a quarter is not very convincing

Find me a US company that didn't lose money last quarter. And anybody who uses Arthur Anderson doesn't count.

you just can't beat! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498736)

You just can't beat http://news.google.com I found out about this almost 8 hours ago. You are all lamers!

Re:you just can't beat! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498765)

You must be new here... Welcome to slashdot. Enjoy your MSN browser elsewhere.

Not only the fastest, but also the hottest (3, Funny)

asscroft (610290) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498746)

computer on earth!!

1. cluster lots of opterons
2. place popcorn on top
3. sell popcorn and cycles
4. profit

I'd like a beowulf cluster of those...

does it play quake?

yeah, but how much longer before it is DRM-enabled to run only MS....

etc..

Re:Not only the fastest, but also the hottest (1)

Mikeydude750 (607965) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498793)

Okay, enough with the whole "beowulf cluster" thing. It would be cool, but it's not going to happen.

Anyways, I hope AMD doesn't do the DRM thing, because that would just piss the user off. And when you piss the user off, you might not get his business again.

I've heard that these big machines are way to big to play Quake, but I'm not sure about that.

you are retarded. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4499011)

s s i a

AMD is great (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498748)

[b]HERES SOME NIGGER JOKES[/b] [i]They make whitey laugh[/i] What's the difference between a jew and a pizza? A pizza doesn't scream in the oven. What's the difference between a nigger and a snow tire? A snow tire doesn't sing when you put chains on it. What would you call the Flintstones if they were black? Niggers. Why don't sharks eat niggers? They think it's whale shit. What do you call a nigger in a tree with a briefcase? Branch manager. How come there aren't any Mexicans on Star Trek? They don't work in the future, either. Why do niggers cry during sex? The Mace. How do you stop a nigger from drowning? Take your foot off the back of his head. How do you get a nigger out of a tree? Cut the rope. What did the Alabama sherriff call the nigger who had been shot 15 times? Worst case of suicide he had ever seen. What do you get when you cross a retard with a gang banger? Someone who spray paints on a chain link fence. Why do niggers stink? So blind people can hate them too. What do you get when you cross a nigger and a spic? Someone too lazy to steal. Why don't niggers take aspirin? They refuse to pick the cotton out. What do nigger kids get for Christmas? Your bike. What's a niggers idea of foreplay? "Don't scream or I'll cut you, bitch." Why do spics drive low-riders? So they can cruise and pick lettuce at the same time. What do you get when you cross a jew and a gypsy? A chain of empty retail stores. Why don't nigger kids play in the sandbox? Cats keep covering them up. What do you call an apartment full of niggers? A COON-dominium. Why are there no nigger astronauts? Their lips explode at 50,000 feet. How do you babysit a niglet? Wet his lips and stick him to the wall. How do you get him down? Teach him to say "Motherfucker." How else do you babysit a niglet? Put Velcro on the ceiling and tell him to jump. How do you get him down? Invite the spics over, blindfold them and tell them it's a piñata party. Why do jews have big noses? Air is free. What is a nigger on a bike? Thief. What's long and black and smells like shit? The welfare line. What do you call 50 niggers at the bottom of the ocean? Good start. What is the worst 3 years of a niggers life? First grade. How was break dancing invented? Niggers trying to steal hubcaps from moving cars. Why do niggers keep chickens in their back yards? To teach their kids how to walk. How do you know Adam and Eve were not black? You ever try to take a rib from a nigger? What is a nigger? Proof that skunks fuck monkeys. What's the difference between a dead dog in the road and a dead nigger in the road? The dead dog has skid marks in front of it. What did Abe Lincoln say after a 3 day drunk? "I set WHO free?" Why are chimps always frowning? They know in a million years they are going to turn into niggers. Why is interrogating a Mexican like a pool ball? The harder you hit it the more English you get. How many jews can you fit in a VolksWagon? All of them if you put them in the ashtray. A nigger and a spic jump off the Empire State Building, who hits the ground first? Who cares. A nigger and a spic jump off the Empire State Building, who hits the ground first? The spic, because the nigger had to stop on the way down and spray paint "motherfucker" on the wall. Why don't spics have barbeques? The beans keep falling through the grill. You hear about the new car made in Israel? Not only can it stop on a dime, it will go back and pick it up. What do you call an Ethiopian with a pickle on his head? A quarter-pounder. How many Ethiopians can you fit in a phone booth? All of them. How do you start a foot race in Ethiopia? Roll a doughnut down the street. How many niggers does it take to pave a driveway? One if you spread him real thin. How do you blindfold a chink? Dental floss. How do chinks name their kids? They throw silverware down the stairs. What's the difference between a nigger and a bag of shit? The bag. What's the most confusing day in Harlem? Father's Day. When does a Black man turn into a nigger? As soon as he leaves the room. What do you call a nigger with a Harvard education? Nigger. What do you call a nigger in a courtroom in a 3 piece suit? The defendant.

Unicos VS Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498762)

Have they ported Linux, or one of the BSDs to it yet, though?

A lot of people don't like coding for Unicos, and think how fast Tux Racer would run on it :-)

Teraflop? (4, Informative)

Spire (101081) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498770)

Trillion floating-point operations per what?

Clue: The s in teraflops is not a plural.

re: red storm rising (2, Redundant)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498789)

16,000 AMD CPUs - it's going to be *hot*. I wonder if Tom Clancy knows about this rip-off of his book's title?

Mind you, he can make a new techno-thriller about what happens when the coolant fails.. Red Storm Rising (2)?

LP (-1, Offtopic)

jvollmer (456588) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498808)

Last Post - Ha! In your face, swede-boy!

Why give the WSJ link??? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498812)

What's the point in giving a link to the WSJ, that bastion of progressive thought, when registration costs $79????? Especially when there are alternate links. This is just rude. I hope a trend doesn't start here.

Free-as-in-Beer (2, Funny)

42 (31931) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498836)

I have seen the expression "Free-as-in-Beer" a few times on Slashdot, yet I have no idea what this means. I have scoured my head to think of what it could mean, but can't figure it out.

What does "Free-as-in-Beer" mean?

Free beer, to me, would seem to be the greatest thing in the history of the world!

Re:Free-as-in-Beer (1)

bozone (113268) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498872)

...to quote the great John Belushi from the movie Animal House..

..go ahead, take one...don't cost nuthin'...

the code / app is free to use...i still retain ownership but you can use it as you'd like....my take anyway....

Re:Free-as-in-Beer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498966)

And if I piss in a bottle and give it to you for free, will you drink it? You will never see Linux the same way again.

Buy a case... (5, Funny)

scrod98 (609124) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498884)

and come over to my house, and I will demonstrate.

Re:Free-as-in-Beer (0, Redundant)

program21 (469995) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498889)

Free-as-in-beer means it doesn't cost anything.

Re:Free-as-in-Beer (5, Informative)

Overt Coward (19347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498906)

"Free" is an overloaded term. In the typical context it can either refer to cost ("free" = "no cost") or to rights ("free" = "no legal restrictions").

To differentiate, many postings here at ./ and elsewhere use "free speech" vs. "free beer" as examples of whether something is free from restriction or doesn't cost anything, respectively. So "free-as-in-beer" refers specifically to cost.

Re:Free-as-in-Beer (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498912)

Free-as-in-Beer means that you don't have to pay for it, just like when someone gives you a beer.

This is to differentiate it from Free-as-in-Speech.

The first usage of Free is to mean "Gratis" where as the second means "liberty." English just uses the same word for both concepts.

GNU stuff takes the "Liberty" meaning as being more important than the beer meaning. That is why you can copy a Redhat ISO without any problems. You are at Liberty to do so. Of course you can also pay Redhat if you want to.

Re:Free-as-in-Beer (1)

borgboy (218060) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498924)

free-as-in-beer (as opposed to free-as-in-speech) refers to the cost. It's free!

Free-as-in-speech refers to the EULA. Some Free-as-in-speech EULAs include the GPL, the BSD license, and the MPL. These licenses vary in their degree of freedom granted to the end-user, but are generally considered free, especially compared to EULAs tied to many commercial products.

Free beer? I'd rather have cider myself....

Re:Free-as-in-Beer (2)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498984)

You have stumbled on one part of the core culture of /. Info about 'free-as-in-beer' is available in the faq. See also; 'free-as-in-speech', 'imagine a bewoulf cluster of these', 'FP! w00t!!', etc.

imagnese (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498890)

Imagínese allí no es ninguna braga no fácil, me hace gritos ninguna seda para rasgar apagado entre esos muslos anchos de la extensión imaginan a toda la gente el buscar del premio.

Imagínese allí no es ninguna raja afeitada que es muy dura no hacer nada matar o morir por y ninguna cogida de la religión también toda esta gente, qué es un individuo a hacer?

Usted puede decirme es un soñador pero apenas la deseo cum a la esperanza de I que usted nos ensamblará algún día alrededor del mundo, nosotros azotaré como uno.

No imagine ninguna posesión que me pregunto si usted puede ninguna necesidad causa del bra ni de las bragas de la ' para arriba le atan en mi van Imagine toda la gente con todos esos trozos del boleto.

imagine (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498896)


Imagine there's no panties
not easy, makes me cries
no silk to rip off
between those wide spread thighs
Imagine all the people
looking for the prize.

Imagine there's no shaved slits
That's very hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
and no religion too
Fuck all these people,
what's a guy to do?

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I just want her to cum
I hope someday you'll join us
Around the world, we'll spank as one.

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for bra nor panties
'Cause you're tied up in my van
Imagine all the people
With all those ticket stubs.

WSJ story here (5, Informative)

CathedralRulz (566696) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498899)

I'm a subscriber. Here's the article. I hope it convinces you,too, to subscribe.

AMD's New Opteron Chips
Are Tapped for Red Storm
By DON CLARK
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Endorsing the technology of one of Intel Corp.'s key rivals, Sandia National Laboratories and Cray Inc. plan to build a massive supercomputer using a soon-to-be-introduced line of microprocessor chips from Advanced Micro Devices Inc.

The development project, estimated in June to cost $90 million, is a high-profile vote of confidence for AMD's new Opteron chip, in a small but prestigious market long dominated by other chip suppliers. It represents a missed opportunity for Intel, which has been targeting its new Itanium line at high-performance computing applications.

Red Storm, Sandia's name for the new supercomputer, also marks a step forward for the U.S. effort at leadership in supercomputers, which suffered a blow this year with the completion of a huge machine called the Earth Simulator by Japanese government agencies and NEC Corp. Where recent U.S. machines have largely been constructed out of components used in commercial computers, Cray is expected to develop special technology for connecting the AMD chips that should make Red Storm suited for more-complex scientific problems.

"This is a move away from commodity components," said Horst Simon, division director of the National Energy Research Scientific Computing Center, a supercomputer facility affiliated with Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. "It's very exciting."

Sandia, which does research for the U.S. Department of Energy in Albuquerque, N.M., and Livermore, Calif., has a performance goal of 100 trillion operations per second for Red Storm. It hasn't disclosed most technical details, including the chip selection. But Mr. Simon estimated that the machine will require 16,000 or more microprocessors to hit its speed target, which would appear to surpass the Earth Simulator's current performance.

Sandia said in June that it had selected Cray, a longtime supercomputer maker based in Seattle, to negotiate a development contract. Cray and Sandia officials didn't return calls seeking comment Friday. AMD and Intel officials declined to comment.

AMD could use some good news. The company's Athlon chip line, mainly used in personal computers, has been falling behind the performance of comparable Intel chips. The company reported last week a third-quarter loss of $254 million on sales of $508.2 million, off 34% from the year-earlier period.

Opteron is a high-end member of the new line, code-named Hammer, that is due out next year and viewed by analysts as AMD's best hope for recovery. Like the Itanium, Hammer chips are designed to process 64 bits of information at a time, instead of 32 bits, a capability that helps run huge databases and solve scientific problems.

Intel's Itanium line, developed over eight years with help from Hewlett-Packard Co., is based on an entirely new architecture and achieves its best performance on new 64-bit programs. AMD, by contrast, made 64-bit additions to the original Intel technology used in the past by both companies.

The difference, AMD says, allows Hammer-based computers to run both 32-bit and 64-bit software at high speed. AMD released preliminary test results last week for Opteron -- so far not validated by outside researchers -- that show the chip exceeding Intel's latest Itanium 2 model on one of two widely-used speed measures, AMD said.

Itanium 2, introduced last summer, has already been selected for at least a half-dozen high-performance installations. The Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, another Department of Energy facility, is building a $24.5 million system based on 1,400 Itanium 2 chips. Based on past Sandia announcements, the Red Storm project's stated performance goal is more than 10 times that of the Pacific Northwest project.

Write to Don Clark at don.clark@wsj.com

And in other news ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4498957)

The "(US Dept. of Energy) has just built a 100 Teraflop super computer employing AMD's Opteron (Hammer) processors", causing rolling blackouts. Rummor has it that it isn't the power consumption by all of the procesors that is causing the blackouts, rather it is all of the power needed to keep all of the industrial strength fans and nitrogen cooling systems running. Citizens of the area are asked to turn off all their power consuming items (please use candles) so that we can see how this moster machine performs.

Besides, you're all unemployeed ... you can't afford power. Watch TV at a buddy's house ... it's cheaper!

running Linux? (1)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4498959)

It seems like Linux is the most likely choice for an operating system for this, but they don't mention anything. Does anybody know?
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