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Chrysler Adopts Linux For Vehicle Simulations

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the cheap-number-crunching dept.

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eMilkshake writes "According to this ComputerWorld article, Chrysler is adopting Linux for vehicle crash testing. According to the article, 'the new system is expected to improve simulation performance by 20%, while saving about 40% in costs....'" Insert knee-jerk reaction joke about computers and crashing here.

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computers (-1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500387)

crash

Frist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500391)

Software? (0, Interesting)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500394)

The article doesn't mention the software used for the simulations themselves... anyone else curious as to what it is and who is writing it or providing it?

RTFA! (5, Informative)

scrod98 (609124) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500410)

"The cluster is running modified LS-DYNA crash-testing software from Livermore Software Technology Group in Livermore, Calif."

It's like, right at the beginning.

Re:RTFA! (0)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500427)

Ah, crap. I see it now. I glanced over the thing and missed it thinking it was part of the clustering solution itself (although LS-DYNA doesn't sound anything like 'Beowulf'...)

You're, like, so right.

Re:Re:RTFA! (-1, Troll)

scrod98 (609124) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500464)

FLAME ON!

What would slashdot be like without the opportunity to be a smartass once or twice an hour?

(Score:-4 wayyy off topic)

Re:Re:RTFA! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500796)

> What would slashdot be like without the opportunity to be a smartass once or twice an hour?

A mere shadow of its former self, its corpse ready to be turned over to yet another charnel house.

Re:Software? (1, Informative)

rhombic (140326) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500454)

Read the article? "The cluster is running modified LS-DYNA crash-testing software from Livermore Software Technology Group in Livermore, Calif." Now if we could just get moderators to read the article before going +1 informative....

Re:Software? (-1, Troll)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500512)

Holy fucking shit, just what I needed: an RTFA correction from a karma-starved crackhead, no less.

I may need bifocals (as I already indicated), but you my dear boy - you need to get yourself a fucking life.

-1 offtopic (0, Offtopic)

rhombic (140326) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500558)

Nope, not karma-starved, just writing slowly while the previous RTFA'er submitted. Without using the +1 bonus. Take it easy, I just replied rather than using a mod point to drop your comment.

Oh yeah, never have done crack. Quite happy with my fucking life, and the rest of my life is pretty good, too.

Re:-1 offtopic (-1, Flamebait)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500614)

Well, thank the heavens for people like yourself. I mean, Slashdot would descend into a spiral of troll postings and uninformed comments like mine. Oh wait...

Nope, not karma-starved, just writing slowly while the previous RTFA'er submitted. Without using the +1 bonus

And I repeat: you need a life.

Linux is killing WIndows (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500683)

Linux got Bill Gates pants down

dummies (4, Funny)

dirvish (574948) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500396)

What OS will the crash test dummies run?

Re:dummies (1)

nurightshu (517038) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500572)

Is there one where the startup sound is a really fucking long and annoying song? Or just "mmmmm-mmmm-mmmm-mmm" over and over?

Sorry, wrong Crash Test Dummies.

Re:dummies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500763)

Give 'em Darwin, maybe they'll evolve.

On second thought, probably not a great idea...

This is one application (2, Funny)

DJ FirBee (611681) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500397)

Better served by windows.

Why linux? (1, Offtopic)

billd (11997) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500398)

Seems the obvious choice. Otherwise you'd have to use Windows.

Re:Why linux? (-1, Offtopic)

billd (11997) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500472)

Hmmm. Mr Moderator, please be informed that the topic is "Chrysler Adopts Linux For Vehicle Simulations" I admit my post is LAME, but can you please explain how you determine it to be OFFTOPIC?

fifth post for genital mutilation (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500401)

I cut my dick with a carving knife to heighten the orgasm!

But Linux doesn't crash! (-1, Redundant)

billstewart (78916) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500404)

*Windows* crashes.....

Re:But Linux doesn't crash! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500718)

What sort of happy crappy candyland are you living in where linux doesn't crash?

All operating systems crash, bub.

Yes, even linux.

Shocking, I know.

Linux (1, Insightful)

molywi (136881) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500413)

Hiring a couple *nix hackers/gurus is a lot more cost effective then spending millions on Windows licenses. The only obvious block in moving to Linux is if the particular software package was not available. I hope this makes cars cheaper as we wont have to support the high Windows license costs everytime we buy a car!

Re:Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500486)

Insightful? Total ficking dipshit is more like it. The purchase/development cost of the software and the hardware outweight the software lisence cost by factors of thousands.

Doensn't sound like you'll ever have enough earning potential to buy a car, not even a POS "christler".

Re:Linux (3, Insightful)

kbielefe (606566) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500495)

Good point except for those particular applications were running on Unix before, not Windows.

Re:Linux (1)

H310iSe (249662) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500505)

right, this is just another case of linux replacing unix, not windows. cost savings are vs the old unix boxes.

Re:Linux (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500516)

Why is this insightful? The article says they replaced UNIX.

F'n idiot moderators...

Re:Linux (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500543)

There seems to have been a CLOWN MODERATOR set loose today. Time to Meta Moderate!

Not Linux vs. WIndows, Linux vs. Unix (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500544)

The article make no mention of a switch from Windows, it's a switch from Unix.

Re:Linux (2, Insightful)

Valar (167606) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500789)

Actually, what accounts for about 50% of the cost of any given new car in America are the taxes. I was stunned to find this out.

Nice specs (4, Funny)

Nintendork (411169) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500414)

Multiple Intel Xeons, a few terabytes of gigabit speed network storage. I wonder what FPS they get in Tux Racer. :)

Re:Nice specs (2, Funny)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500631)

Probably around 2 FPS, unless they've got a supported 3D card.

Imagine a... (1)

Dthoma (593797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500667)

...nah, forget it.

Re:Nice specs (3, Funny)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500743)

Nah, FPS isn't important. This is *crash* testing, remember; they want to see what happens to a penguin when it hits a snow drift at 6,000 miles per hour.

Other references (5, Informative)

mmol_6453 (231450) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500415)

eWeek [eweek.com]
Computer Graphics World [pennnet.com]
Business Week [businessweek.com]
Globetechnology.com [globetechnology.com]
ZDNet [com.com]

The wonders of news.google.com [google.com] .

Re:Other references (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500525)

Yes, we all know about News.Google.com.

Karma Whore.

Good one... (5, Funny)

andres32a (448314) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500416)

HelpLine: "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"

Customer: "I got in my car and closed the door and nothing happened!"

HelpLine: "Did you put the key in the ignition slot and turn it?"

Customer: "What's an ignition?"

HelpLine: "It's a starter motor that draws current from your battery
and turns over the engine."

Customer: "Ignition?Motor?Battery?Engine?How come I have to
know all these technical terms just to use my car?"

Re:Good one... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500539)

That's the problem with you Linux folk... the customer wants you to speak English!

Customer: "What's an ignition?"

HelpLine: "It's what makes your car start running."

Customer: "Oh! Okay."

Re:Good one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500613)

If you say that they'll just ask why you had to use a technical term like "ignition".

Four easy steps (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500417)

1. Make crappy cars that always have to be repaired
2. Adopt Linux for your crash-simulation enviornment to save millions
3. ????
4. Profit!

Re:Four easy steps (2)

MagikSlinger (259969) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500459)

  1. Make crappy cars that always have to be repaired
  2. Adopt Linux for your crash-simulation enviornment to save millions
  3. ????
  4. Profit!

The technical name for Step #3 is "Insert Miracle Here".

Well (1)

Belisarivs (526071) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500418)

I was going to say that Microsoft could compliment it's "Switch to XP" ad campaign with "Linux Crashes", but that would be too easy.

complement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500443)

sheesh, use a grammar checker

Re:Well (2)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500499)

"I was going to say that Microsoft could compliment it's "Switch to XP" ad campaign with "Linux Crashes", but that would be too easy."

Seriously, they're not going to draw attention to their #1 competitor by smearing it, especially when most of their customer base has never even heard of it.

No longer completely true (2)

Goonie (8651) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500678)

In my experience, most people involved in business IT decision making have heard of Linux by now.

That's not true for home users, though. That market will come eventually, but we'll see Linux on corporate desktops before it's widely used in the non-geek home market.

Humus (5, Funny)

EggplantMan (549708) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500430)

In the name of efficiency I've decided to combine all of these exceedingly clever jokes into one package!

Cmdr_Taco: What happen?
Mechanic: Somebody set us up the troll article.
Operator: We get signal.
Cmdr_Taco: What !
Operator: Main screen turn on.
Cmdr_Taco: It's you !!
Katz: How are you gentlemen !!
Katz: All your little boys are belong to us.
Katz: You are on the way to your spelling sucks.
Cmdr_Taco: What yuort say !!
Katz: You have no chance to survive make your time.
Katz: Ha Ha Ha Ha ... .
Cmdr_Taco: 1. Take off every "sig."
Cmdr_Taco: ...
Cmdr_Taco: 3. Profit!

Re:Humus (-1, Offtopic)

Proc6 (518858) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500471)

Yea! Imagine a Beowulf cluster of those! Slashdot humor is really tired^H^H^H^H funny! OpenSource rulez0rs!

Re:Humus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500519)

Watch them mod this down to -1 and then mod up something about microsoft windows having bugs.

Chrysler Adopts Linux For Vehicle Simulations (2, Funny)

Bob Vila's Hammer (614758) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500433)

After running a simulation on windows to simulate a simulation crash of their testing simulations.

Of course they had to use linux (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500436)

If they used windows crash tests that pesky blue screen would prevent them from reading any data.

Obligatory crashing reference (0, Flamebait)

Zakabog (603757) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500439)

Chrysler Group is using a new Linux cluster computer for crash simulation testing and analysis in an effort to make safer cars and trucks.

Well I guess using Linux makes sense for crash simulation testing. While Linux can simulate a crash, Windows will ACTUALLY crash.

Re: Obligatory crashing reference (1)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500528)


> Well I guess using Linux makes sense for crash simulation testing. While Linux can simulate a crash, Windows will ACTUALLY crash.

Yeah, the hired help turned on the BSOD xscreensaver and thought they were testing a crash.

Obligatory... (5, Funny)

carlfish (7229) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500442)

Headline, six months from now:


Chrysler abandons Linux crash-testing simulation. "We just couldn't get them to crash", says spokesman.

If Operating Systems Were Cars... (5, Funny)

andres32a (448314) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500444)

MS-DOS: You get in the car and try to remember where you put the keys.

WINDOWS: You get in the car and drive to the store very slowly, because attached to the back of the car is a freight train.

MAC SYSTEM 8: You get in the car to go to the store and the car drives you to church.

UNIX: You get in the car and type GREP STORE. After reaching 2000 mph en route, you arrive at the barber's shop.

WINDOWS NT: You get in the car and write a letter that says 'go to the store'. Then you get out of the car and nail the letter to the dashboard.

TALIGENT/PINK: You walk to the store with Ricardo Montalban who tells you how wonderful it will be when he can fly you to the store in his Learjet.

OS/2: After fuelling up with 6000 gallons of gas you get in the car and drive to the store with a motorcycle escort and a marching band in procession. Halfway there, the car blows up, killing everyone in town.

S/36 SSP: You get in the car and drive to the store. Halfway there you run out of gas. While walking the rest of the way you are run over by kids on mopeds.

AS/400: An attendant kicks you into the car and then drives you to the store where you watch everyone else buy filets mignon.

BeOSYour car goes faster, looks better, draws amazed stares everywhere you go, and has amazing preformance. Yet, when you try to fill it up, you find that it is incompatable with almost all know gas products.

Re:If Operating Systems Were Cars... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500783)

WINDOWS NT: You get in the car and write a letter that says 'go to the store'. Then you get out of the car and nail the letter to the dashboard.

How can you nail a letter to a dashboard when you're not in the car?

Crash Test Dummies? (4, Funny)

cornjchob (514035) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500446)

Once
There were these guys who
Thought that using Linux would
Improve their product's safety

And when
they fin'ly did it
They found
Gates had set fire to their work

He said that it was because
The Sherman act had smacked him
sooooo hard

mmmmm mmmm mmmm mmm
mmmmm mmmm mmmm mmm

Ah, the good ol' Crash Test Dummies...we hardly knew ye.

A new name for windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500455)

For all you windows pirates out there you can always say you are running FreeBSOD.

Re:A new name for windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500797)

Or if you're running the newer products it could be .NetBSOD... *sigh*

I don't get it (5, Interesting)

vlad_petric (94134) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500458)

The price tag for the deal isn't being released. Cost savings were a major motivator for the project, which was first considered about a year ago.

And how precisely are they going to save money ? And save money relative to what ? The old system ? (I kind of doubt it) The same hardware system with a proprietay OS ? Maintenance costs ?

This article has all the characteristics of a "negative" FUD.

The Raven.

Re: I don't get it (5, Insightful)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500571)


> And how precisely are they going to save money ? And save money relative to what ? The old system ? (I kind of doubt it) The same hardware system with a proprietay OS ? Maintenance costs ?

See the links modded up to (5, informative) elsewhere. The general idea is that these days you buy a Linux CoW or Beowulf cluster instead of upgrading the ageing Cray. And for some reason it's still newsworthy, though people have been doing it for the better part of a decade now [beowulf.org] .

Not that I mind the good PR for Linux, but it is a curious phenomenon that this kind of detail of a big corporation's IT affairs is considered newsworthy.

Re: I don't get it (3, Insightful)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500767)

Not that I mind the good PR for Linux, but it is a curious phenomenon that this kind of detail of a big corporation's IT affairs is considered newsworthy.
Keep in mind that the majority of the news sources (or "news sources" where appropriate) covering this story are, if not actual pro-Linux sources (like /.), at the very least computer news sources. Google News comes up with only about 10 hits for chrysler linux (compared to 726 for sniper arrests), so it's not like it's even been that widely covered so far; and this kind of business change actually is a newsworthy development in the computer industry.

You'd see this as a news story from computer-themed news sources; it'd be a "feature" in mainstream or general news sources.

Re:I don't get it (1)

rgmoore (133276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500598)

And how precisely are they going to save money ? And save money relative to what ? The old system ?

The savings are probably compared to buying a comprably powerful system running a proprietary Unix. I'd assume that the biggest chunk of the savings is that they can run on (comparatively) cheap commodity hardware. This seems to be a very common reason for moving to Linux: it lets you run your old Unix software on much cheaper boxes.

they're replacing Unix (4, Insightful)

stevenj (9583) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500475)

On the off chance that you actually read the article, you'll see that they're replacing Unix machines, not Windows, with Linux. This is a no-brainer, especially since their software is probably custom-developed and can easily be recompiled under GNU/Linux.

If people bought cars like computers... (5, Funny)

andres32a (448314) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500480)

HelpLine: "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"

Customer: "My car ran fine for a week and now it won't go anywhere!"

HelpLine: "Is the gas tank empty?"

Customer: "Huh?How do I know?"

HelpLine: "There's a little gauge on the front panel with a needle
and markings from 'E' to 'F'.Where is the needle
pointing?"

Customer: "It's pointing to 'E'.What does that mean?"

HelpLine: "It means you have to visit a gasoline vendor and purchase
some more gasoline.You can install it yourself or pay
the vendor to install it for you."

Customer: "What?I paid ,000 for this car!Now you tell me that
I have to keep buying more components?I want a car that
comes with everything built in!"

HelpLine: "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"

Customer: "Your cars suck!"

HelpLine: "What's wrong?"

Customer: "It crashed, that's what wrong!"

HelpLine: "What were you doing?"

Customer: "I wanted to run faster, so I pushed the accelerator pedal
all the way to the floor.It worked for a while and then
it crashed and it won't start now!

HelpLine: "It's your responsibility if you misuse the product.What
do you expect us to do about it?"

Customer: "I want you to send me one of the latest version that
doesn't crash any more!"

HelpLine: "General Motors HelpLine, how can I help you?"

Customer: "Hi, I just bought my first car, and I chose your car
because it has automatic transmission, cruise control,
power steering, power brakes, and power door locks."

HelpLine: "Thanks for buying our car.How can I help you?"

Customer: "How do I work it?"

HelpLine: "Do you know how to drive?"

Customer: "Do I know how to what?"

HelpLine: "Do you know how to drive?"

Customer: "I'm not a technical person.I just want to go places
in my car!"

Re:If people bought cars like computers... (2, Interesting)

El Pollo Loco (562236) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500723)

Funny, I was just thinking about this. A reletive just lost a whole bunch of data, due to a in a software program. While cars require a bit of basic knowledge, and licensing, there is liability there. If ford builds Taurauses with defective ignition controle modules(true), and my cars stalls and gets hit in the middle of an accident, I can sue them. When my relative lost his data due to something that was not his fault, who's liable. No one.

How much of that savings is about Linux? (5, Interesting)

jasonditz (597385) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500483)

It says the Linux solution saves 40% over the prior Unix solution, but it doesn't say what the prior solution is. Are the savings here really coming from using Linux, or just from using cheap commodity hardware clustered together?

Re:How much of that savings is about Linux? (1)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500515)

ah now take a wild guess who are the biggest selelrs of UNix, IBM or SUn..

Re:How much of that savings is about Linux? (2)

Dirtside (91468) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500721)

If the direct cause of the savings is the ability to use cheap commodity hardware, then the savings are still indirectly due to Linux -- since Linux is what allows them to use cheap hardware, instead of the big server iron required by the corporate Unix. (Theoretically, anyway; I don't know much about corporate Unices.)

Interesting choice... (5, Insightful)

TWX_the_Linux_Zealot (227666) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500484)

...especially for a public announcement. I remember a while ago Microsoft was touting their big thing with how their clustering was going to out-do anything opensource with a few months, yet more and more large corporations, and not simply startups or new, tech-savvy ones, are adopting Linux or some other form of open source instead. I hope this demonstrates a continuing shift away from poorly written server code to something more viable and of better spec.

HA! (-1, Redundant)

r0t (612006) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500492)

Wouldn't Windows be better suited to test crashing?

Car Trouble (5, Funny)

andres32a (448314) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500501)

Four men rode in a car, a mechnical engineer, an electrical engineer, a chemical engineer, and a computer engineer. The car stalled out.

The mechnical engineer said it must be the pistons, let's repair them and we'll be okay.

The electrical engineer said it has to be the spark plugs, we'll replace them and be ready to roll.

The chemical engineer said it's got to be bad gas, we'll flush the system and be on our way.

They turned to the computer engineer. What do you think we should do?

Let's get out of the car and get back in.

Re:Car Trouble (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500573)

i dont get it

Re:Car Trouble (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500588)

nonono...



Its supposed to be


Computer engineer: Close all windows and restart the car...

Re:Car Trouble (5, Funny)

GI Jones (21552) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500633)

Actually, it goes:

Four men rode in a car, a mechnical engineer, an electrical engineer, a chemical engineer, and a Microsoft(R) software engineer. The car stalled out.

The mechnical engineer said it must be the pistons, let's repair them and we'll be okay.

The electrical engineer said it has to be the spark plugs, we'll replace them and be ready to roll.

The chemical engineer said it's got to be bad gas, we'll flush the system and be on our way.

They turned to the computer engineer. What do you think we should do?

First close all the open windows then restart.

Re:Car Trouble (5, Funny)

flacco (324089) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500688)

Four men rode in a car, a mechnical engineer, an electrical engineer, a chemical engineer, and a computer engineer.

And, definitely, none of them got laid that night.

Re:Car Trouble (5, Funny)

dollargonzo (519030) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500749)

i heard it quite differently, mostly starting with the fact they were going down an icy hill and eventually stopped the car at the bottom.

[middle is the same]

software engineer:

let's go down once more, and see if the problem happens gain!

Daimler Chrysler (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500503)

Isn't the full name Daimler Chrysler?

Insert knee-jerk reaction joke (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500521)

Windows would crash before the car could!

Re:Insert knee-jerk reaction joke (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500632)

Hehe.. Imagine explaining the boss

Eeh....well, just after the car took off we got this 'general protection error'...

WHY!!!!! (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500533)

Windows crashes pretty well....

Hrmm (2, Funny)

user32.ExitWindowsEx (250475) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500563)

So this might explain why the SGI Octane I just bought off eBay had chrysler.com nameservers referenced in it. /me wonders

new car name required (5, Funny)

erikdotla (609033) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500566)

Due to pressure from the FSF, since Linux was used as part of the car production process, GM will be forced to release the 2003 GNU/Taurus.

Re:new car name required (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500702)

GM will be forced to release the 2003 GNU/Taurus

Uh ...

  1. The Taurus is a Ford product. Ford and GM are competitors.
  2. The article was about Daimler-Chrysler, not GM.
  3. Chrysler doesn't make the Taurus, either.

Perhaps you meant the 2003 GNU/Sebring? Or at least pick a car from the Daimler-Chrysler/Plymouth/Dodge/Mitsubishi stable, rather than a Ford car and attribute it to GM. Maybe I'm just being anal.

Almost makes me want to buy a Chrysler.... (3, Funny)

slickwillie (34689) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500574)

...just kidding.

Wait a minute (1, Flamebait)

dh003i (203189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500576)

So wait a minute, you save money by using Linux? Are you telling me that the folks at MS are lying and that the TCO for Winodws isn't lower?

I thought that paying $200 for every copy of Windows and regular forced "update fees" would be cheaper than buying one Debian GNU/Linux CD and then updating using apt for free.

Are you telling me that a product which costs less and functions equivalently will actually save you money? That doesn't make any sense. Microsoft says it doesn't.

Re:Wait a minute (4, Informative)

Osty (16825) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500711)

So wait a minute, you save money by using Linux? Are you telling me that the folks at MS are lying and that the TCO for Winodws isn't lower?

Red herring. The article was about a migration to linux from a proprietary unix, not from Windows. Therefore, the only conclusion you can draw here is that linux saves you money over other unix operating systems. You can't make any conclusions about linux TCO vs. Windows TCO based on this article.


Care to try again?

Re:Wait a minute (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500740)

Why are you talking about MS when the product they replaced was UNIX? Try making your mindless zealous rants ON-topic.

linux (1)

labratuk (204918) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500578)

Well of course they're going to use linux.
Can you imagine the price of all those new Windows XP licences they would have to buy to replace all those damaged computers?

Don't tell the joke about the cars and OSes (3, Insightful)

Grd. Adm. Thrawn (619434) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500602)

It won't be funny, but watch, someone will do it anyway

Re:Don't tell the joke about the cars and OSes (2)

Usquebaugh (230216) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500752)

Too late and it was modded humorous +5

Well... it's a good thing... (1)

yamcha666 (519244) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500627)

Well, its a good thing they chose Linux instead of Windows.

Now they won't have to worry about the system crashing before the car

this is wrong choice (1, Redundant)

Jacek Poplawski (223457) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500628)

Windows is much better in crashing.

This is so easy ;) (1)

CaptTrips (410803) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500682)

This is the one time were Linux users are happy that their OS is crashing.

Chrysler Linux boxes (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500724)

Imagine a Beowolf Cluster of THESE!!!

STOP THESE FUCKING WINDOWS CRASHING JOKES (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500728)

C'mon, people, you can think of better material than this.

Hit Linus (2)

gallir (171727) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500769)

Finally Bill Gates found the way to hit Linus with a bus. errr, no, literally, no... err, did you say Linux and crash? That's an oxymoron guy, surely, Billy is behind the scenes.

Err... yes!, Linux?, crash?, Crysler?, Linus doesn't write in linux-kernel for a few days... Oh my god, it's true. They hit Linus!!!

nice post CWBYNL (0)

JooBYE (562184) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500781)

  • "Insert knee-jerk reaction joke about computers and crashing here."

This comment alone attached to the end of the story just forced me to read that article.

props to CowboyNeal!

joke inserted (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4500801)

~knee-jerk reaction joke about computers and crashing~

Don't you mean WINDOWS and crashing? This despite the fact that neither 2000 nor XP has crashed on me in any significant way in three and a half years?

Whereas every Linux box I try to set up doesn't even fucking recognize half the shit I plug into it?

Multiple Crashes. (1)

hopbine (618442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4500812)

It said in the article that 18 simultaneous impacts can be conducted at once. Apart from emulating an autobahn pile-up, why do they want to do that ?
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