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yo yo (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516149)

it's da rebellion! (extended "it's a trap" dance mix)

and that would be (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516236)

my first first post, thank ya! thankyaverymuch! I'm here all week!

Uhhhh.... (5, Insightful)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516163)

Nice thing about WINE is: it can be shut OFF, then there is no environment to flourish in. ("/usr/local? Hell, I'm trying to find C:\windows\system")

JoeLinux

Re:Uhhhh.... (4, Insightful)

Shoten (260439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516228)

Yeah, until you decide to turn it back on again, right? Windows machines have an "off" switch too...whether it's a matter of unloading from memory or powering down, it's no different.

Re:Uhhhh.... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516298)

HAhahahahahahaha, yes, you are stupid.

Wine is an emulation layer. Klez can have all its fun inside of wine while wine is on. Luckily, all the nice linux stuff is spared from you armageddon.

Windows has an off switch, but it turns back on inside of Windows! You lose that and fire and brimstone will kill your family.

Re:Uhhhh.... (3, Informative)

JoeLinux (20366) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516367)

McAfee has a windows virus checker that works in linux. Genius idea. So you can run linux, protect Mickeysoft asshats from stupid virii, and even run their programs...and shut it off and scan for viruii when needed.

JoeLinux

Figures (4, Funny)

marduk00 (543281) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516164)

Only the things you don't use or want work well with Wine.

Odds Update: #@ +1, Relevant (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516472)


bin Laden alive in Afghanistan 70-1

bin Laden alive in D.C. 2-5

Dick Cheney Resigns To Play Dr. Strangelove
In The Movie 2-1

George W. Bush Re-"elected" 4-1

Jeb Bush Re-"elected" 10-1

Giants Win World Series 2002 4-1

Angels Win World Series 2002 2-1

Jon Katz Found Looking For Commodore-64 in
Afghanistan 1-2

First Post Or ist it ? (2, Funny)

oh2 (520684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516165)

Haha, WINE must be very scary for bill if it even runs the virii that prosper on his software....

Re:First Post Or ist it ? (1, Informative)

WetCat (558132) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516203)

If you go to webster [webster.com]
you'll easily find that plural from virus is viruses...

Re:First Post Or ist it ? (3, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516285)

"If you go to webster [webster.com]
you'll easily find that plural from virus is viruses..."


I'm glad you clarified that. I was having trouble understanding what that guy said until you showed up.

Re:First Post Or ist it ? (-1, Offtopic)

WetCat (558132) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516505)

Actually, that post was a troll. I know he used the word "virii" just for fun...
May be a new word - virii - plural from virus (computer virus) ?

Re:First Post Or ist it ? (0)

oh2 (520684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516288)

Well, since I am a 31337 h4x0r I can call it what I want to. Whine on and your mailbox will fill up with actual cans of Spam. ;)

And no, I never use Webster, because SAOL is a lot better even if its only available in dead tree form.

Support your local hackers - preferrably with 2"x4"s.

GARD (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516442)

Get A Real Dictionary. Real language geeks own a copy of the OED.

Re: First Post Or ist it ? (5, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516471)


> If you go to webster [webster.com] you'll easily find that plural from virus is viruses...

What does it say about the plural for "anal retentive"?

Hello, hello. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516166)

I'm trapped in the server ! Help me !
-ct

Alright (5, Funny)

EggplantMan (549708) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516167)

I know alot of software developers are anal retentive perfectionists, but this is going a little too far. What's next? EULA emulation?

/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Troll)

SexyKellyOsbourne (606860) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516172)

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516205)

this is CRAP! do not click!

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516209)

Stupid moderators.

DO NOT CLICK ON THAT OVERRATED LINK.

[stupid lameness filter]

S

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516221)

Mod this down. Some of us are at work!

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (0, Offtopic)

werd life (94886) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516222)

Umm, anyone who marked that informative obviously
didn't bother to check the links. thanks guys!

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Old Wolf (56093) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516463)

Anyone who clicked that link didn't bother to engage their brain today. Since when do Google links not say [google.com] after them, or contain other website addresses in the middle?

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516223)

WARNING! the link above is a troll link! do not use

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516227)

Dude, that's not even funny.

Don't click on the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516232)

Mod the parent of this thread down instead of modding it up assuming its a google cache. ITS NOT!

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Flamebait)

Zio_Ralsa (619971) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516238)

You stupid retarded fuck, My mother is in the same room. Mod this dumb shit down

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516469)

I bet she nearly had a heart attack. She'll probably take you to the priest tonight to get blessed/exorcised/baptized/buggered. Have fun!

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516503)

You stupid retarded fuck, My mother is in the same room.

That's your fault, not his.

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516243)

Thanks for the porn.

PARENT IS NOT A GOOGLE LINK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516244)

That's not google...

Re:PARENT IS NOT A GOOGLE LINK (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516484)


Wait a second, that wasn't a google cache :(

Dam assmonkey

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516249)

you, sir, are a piece of shit

Re:/.'ed, here's the google cache (-1, Offtopic)

Globulatrix (319429) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516287)

I think if you save up karma you can actually post something at "+2" right off the bat in exchange for that karma.

That's probably what happened here.

HAHAHA (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516391)

got me on that one.

You Rock (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516407)

Looks like you nailed a lot of people with that one (not me fortunately). Looks like you managed to get some slashbots twice!

Excellent work!

FUCKWITS (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516422)

Stop bitching just 'cos you fell for that. It's moderated Troll for a fucking reason, you idiots!

SLASHDOTTED ALREADY (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516183)

After seven posts!!?? Criminy people? how am I supposed to learn how windows sucks if you keep making IIS explode!?

Re:SLASHDOTTED ALREADY (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516308)

I hardly think linuxguru.net runs on IIS.

Re:SLASHDOTTED ALREADY (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516464)

that was part of the joke, weaselfucker.

Why Emulate Windows (0, Flamebait)

Zio_Ralsa (619971) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516185)

Why emulate windows... it is a piece of crap in my opinion. Microsoft will probably buy them out now.. Microsft will buy anything that opposes them in lieu of putting up a fight. Take the X-box for example, why compete with Nintendo when they can buy all of thier 2nd and 3rd party developers... fuck you Microsoft, fuck you.

Re:Why Emulate Windows (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516276)

No... FUCK YOU!

Fucking asswipe moron shithead.

(Welcome to /.!)

Re:Why Emulate Windows (-1, Troll)

Zio_Ralsa (619971) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516321)

What the hell is your problem. I am just voicing my damn opinion.. Microsoft is a big monopoly which BUYS ALL OPOSITION!!!!! So you can go to hell.

/.ed (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516192)

6 comments in and already burned up.

Too good at emulating? (4, Insightful)

entrager (567758) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516214)

I don't think so. I think it's pretty amazing that this could occur within Wine. I'd be VERY pleased if I were a Wine developer.

Re:Too good at emulating? (1, Interesting)

L33t-Geek (614706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516420)

Yes this is the ultimate complement for a developer of wine. When somthing as complex as klez (find out how it works at http:\\www.sarc.com) can run. Thats pretty impressive. I wonder what kind of effects it can have? Could this even be a new target audience for the lamerz that write viruses? -Geek

Simple enough... (-1, Flamebait)

toupsie (88295) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516248)

Get a Mac. [apple.com] You can still run Linux and Windows [connectix.com] and neither can cause catastrophic damage to your system. As a bonus, you get a pure UNIX system as opposed to a UNIX-like system.

Re:Simple enough... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516310)

And for no added cost to Apple you get:

(1) A Bigger charge on your credit card.
(2) Less fun hardware to play with.
(3) Only Aqua on your desktop.
(4) A single button mouse. Like you really used those other two.
(5) To pay for the next bug fix. Just like Windows.

Not tell me again why I would want a Mac?

Wine is not an emulator ... (5, Insightful)

sammaytg1 (608758) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516255)

It's a linux implementation of windows apis. IT really shouldn't be suceptable to virii like windows is. I would really like to know more about this (the article has already been slashdoted)

Re:Wine is not an emulator ... (5, Informative)

SpamapS (70953) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516462)

Its not just "windows" that is susceptible to viruses. It is the API that is too trusting, and the file permissions. When you run wine, you generally own all of the files (default is ~/.wine/fake_windows). So you're going to be able to do anything you could on a windows box.

Its not all that surprising that a virus would run without problems. Many of them do exploit actual bugs in the Windows code, but most of them just make regular old crappy Win32 API calls.

ObDeadServerComment (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516258)

The server is apparently running IIS under Wine.

Wine and / mounted as Z: ? (5, Interesting)

Havokmon (89874) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516282)

I swear when I read the article earlier today (It was posted on Desktoplinux and NewsForge already), that the guy said that by default, "/" was mounted a Z:.

I've just recently done a wineinstall to clean out my wine settings, and I don't have a Z:. Does that happen if you're running as root?

The only potential issue I can see is that your whole home directory is 'shared' between Linux and Wine by default.

Maybe I just read ~/ as /

Re:Wine and / mounted as Z: ? (3, Informative)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516490)

I swear when I read the article earlier today (It was posted on Desktoplinux and NewsForge already), that the guy said that by default, "/" was mounted a Z:.

CodeWeavers Wine and WineHQ CVS setup their initial configuration differently I think. You can alter what drives are mapped to what easily enough in the config file, or using the configuration GUI.

I'll say this only once... (4, Redundant)

iceT (68610) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516290)


If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas...

Does anyone know if Norton Anti-Virus runs under Wine? ...anyone...?

Re:I'll say this only once... (1)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516346)

"If you lie down with dogs, you'll get up with fleas..."

More like if you lie down with dogs you'll get on farmsex.com.

graspee

Re:I'll say this only once... (5, Interesting)

Ed Avis (5917) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516427)

There was recently some discussion [winehq.com] on the Wine newsgroup about limiting emulated applications' access to the system. This could be handy for dealing with semi-malware or just programs that don't fully like the emulated environment (and might need to be prevented from doing too many suspicious is-it-really-Windows checks). The reply was that since a Wine emulated program is running as an ordinary executable, it could call Unix system calls anyway, so there would be little point (from a strict security point of view).

However, something like NetBSD's and OpenBSD's recently added feature to monitor system calls and define policies could potentially be very handy for running binary-only programs you don't fully trust: and of course most such programs are on the Windows platform.

Slashdotted...sad (-1, Offtopic)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516291)

Earlier this week it was a supposed "hardware guru" website that had an article about high performance web servers, and now it's "linuxguru" that gets Slashdotted. I can personally say that if you can't set up a server to take a Slashdotting, I put no stake whatsoever in what they have to say. If you can't set up a server to handle a spike in traffic, then you really don't know what in the hell you're talking about when it comes to server hardware/software.

Re:Slashdotted...sad (1, Offtopic)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516319)

Most people don't understand that just throwing more computing power at the daemon doesn't help. Apache does not come in a default configuration that is ready for heavy use production. The default config is pretty conservative, to prevent it from crashing the whole OS.

Re:Slashdotted...sad (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516355)

You're exactly right. It's that way with *any* web server. That's what I'm saying... you can't be much a "guru" of any kind if you can't tweak a web server/database server to take a serious load.

Re:Slashdotted...sad (1)

LordHunter317 (90225) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516386)

That wasn't what I was quite referring to.
I meant physical bandwidth, like a T1. Chances are, if your pipe is small enough, the site is going to stop responding during a /.'ing no matter how good your server is. I could rig up a Quad PIII box to serve a site, but you're still not getting in if my only pipe is a 56K modem.

Re:Slashdotted...sad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516436)

If you're setting up a quad PIII web box to run over a 56k modem, then you sure as hell are clueless.

What you probably meant was places like hosting sites that limit you monthly.. once that 15/30/45 gigs runs out, zip, that's it.

Re:Slashdotted...sad (5, Insightful)

LordHunter317 (90225) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516322)

Understand some people don't have enough bandwidth to handle a thorough /.'ing. Sooner or later, the site is goign to stop responding simply because you run out of effective bandwidth. Also understand not everyone can afford what they talk about.

Re:Slashdotted...sad (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516412)

Well, in all actuality, it's just burstable bandwidth for most sites... so what I'm wondering, is every Slashdotted site served off of somebody's cable modem at home? *Any* decent pipe should be able to handle a few thousand new users a second. If my server did this, you can be damn sure I'd be asking for a refund.

Re:Slashdotted...sad (1)

LordHunter317 (90225) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516477)

Even so, you can still 'burst' the bandwidth past the point where it the network can handle it.

Though I'm fairly sure the server is probably poorly/not correctly configured as well. Though a lot of times, I bet they don't know they are goign to get /.'d until its too late, and don't change their config until its too late.

Not that laziness is an excuse for this kinda event.

Re:Slashdotted...sad (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516468)

Understand some people don't have enough bandwidth to handle a thorough /.'ing. Sooner or later, the site is goign to stop responding simply because you run out of effective bandwidth. Also understand not everyone can afford what they talk about.

Why is it when a Linux related site gets slashdotted its a bandwidth issue and when its a Miscrosoft site...its Microsoft?

Re:Slashdotted...sad (5, Insightful)

scenic (4226) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516425)

That's not really fair. It's expensive to put up a site that can handle a slashdotting. Think of sites that host via a third party or shared hosting to keep costs down.

There are a lot of smart, knowledgeable people out there who don't want a $500+/month hosting or bandwidth+power bill.

Sujal

Re:Slashdotted...sad (3, Insightful)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516474)

between being able to set up a server that can take a Slashdotting and being able to afford a setup that can take a Slashdotting there is quite a difference (esp. in your bank account after you get the bandwidth bill...)

Re:Slashdotted...sad (5, Insightful)

AntiTuX (202333) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516483)

2 words: static webpages.
I know for a fact that if my ass was getting slashdotted, I'd be setting up static webpages faster than you can say "holy fucking shit where's my bandwidth?" I personally make a static archive of all my dynamic pages automatically just in case something like that happens. The problem lies in the fact that slashdot doesn't archive sites, nor do they give any type of notice before bringing the hordes of lamers from all over the internet to that site's front door. That's a "bad" thing.
I wonder if anyone's brought a lawsuit against slashdot(or their parent company, OSDN) for effectively destroying their servers.

WINE emulation too good? (4, Funny)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516301)

Hi folks!

The new version of WINE is available! It costs a mere $450 per seat, and after an extensive rewrite of the Windows ABI emulation exports NO functionality whatsoever!
BTW for optimum emulation, we recommend running WINE at nice -20.

COMING SOON - WINE SP1.
The all-new WINE Service Pack removes the ability to run MS-DOS programs, and stops you viewing any digital broadcast medium. This is to enhance your computing experience.

W00t!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516304)

Way to go WINE!!!!

So, the question now is; Does WINE run Norton AV, McAfee, or InoculateIT?

WINE can't emulate it..... (-1, Troll)

Kip Winger (547075) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516314)

First off, WINE does not even have the ability to emulate Windows. WINE does not have the power or capability to EVER emulate Windows or any microsoft product. Next time you lie something, slashdot, make sure you know what you're talking about.

The good comes with the bad (5, Interesting)

sjbe (173966) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516335)

Kinda obvious but easily forgotten. Being able to run windows apps is a two edged sword in many different respects. Access to good applications versus potentially reduced interest in linux development. Ability to run applications not built for linux versus inconsistant ability to run some of those same apps. And now of course, access to Windows apps versus the viruses that often go with them. The good comes along with the bad and there are plenty of unintended consequences to go around. Any engineer will tell you that there are tradeoffs for any design decision. WINE is no exception. Caveat emptor...

They Hate Us for our Freedoms! (-1, Flamebait)

TrekCycling (468080) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516341)

Does this mean these other countries are Hated even more for their freedoms?

What's the deal? (5, Insightful)

jorlando (145683) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516364)

Wine is supposed to run Windows apps... a virus is a Windows app as any other... If the Wine user is running Outlook what else he can wait for? The vulnerabilities still there...

i would think (3, Informative)

papasui (567265) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516373)

the obvious solution would be not to run WINE as root. The filesystem permissions should prevent excessive damage.

Correction (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516377)

WINE is not an emulator.

In fact, WINE stands for:

WINE
Is
Not an
Emulator

Slashdot crashed my machines (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516383)

On the footer of *every single page* at linuxguru.net, we specifically request that slashdot not link our stories because we can't handle the load.

I now have two dead machines because they linked us anyways.

-James Blackwell

Re:Slashdot crashed my machines (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4516413)

Here ya go: [microsoft.com]

Hey, who needs a story? (1, Offtopic)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516410)

Heh, 57 comments so far, only one of which is from someone who read the article (before it was posted here).

Makes it seem kind of unnecessary to have obliterated their server -- could have posted the same "Don't click on that link!" and "The plural of 'virus' is 'viruses', buttmunch!" posts without it. ;-)

A similar writeup about Klez and WINE (5, Informative)

Adam9 (93947) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516441)

Well, this article that I found here [linuxchix.org] that discusses the limitations of Klez on WINE and how Sircam was able to run on WINE. All in all, it appears to be a limited threat.

WINE = good (3, Funny)

RomikQ (575227) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516473)

Well, I haven't seen the article, cause it's been slashdotted, but to all that talk about wine virii execution - look at this [linux.org.ru] (the author of the screenshot is C-Pro).

Besides, I mean, just as with any other tool, you need caution. If you run wine as root with the whole tree as e: then sooner or later you're gonna regret it. The level achieved by wine emulation is amazing, so there are going to be security flaws if you don't know what you are doing, just as with any product with functionality as extensive as wine's

just goes to show.... (3, Informative)

yipyow (317154) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516486)

ok, so i haven't seen the article. but this just goes to show that although running windows apps under linux using wine may be useful, what we are really wanting to do here is stop using that stuff anyway, by writing apps to replace them. isn't that why most of us run linux anyway, because we can't stand the alternative?

chris

Act of Crazy (0)

bigbinc (605471) | more than 11 years ago | (#4516495)

Maybe somebody will explain emulation to me. We load/run linux/mac in order to find alternative so that we can run windows emulation on linux/mac. It is cool technology wise, but does it really make much since. It is like recursive user interfaces. Somebody should run linux on windows under wine. linux->wine/windows/->linux. It did this in bochs, it was kind of cool. Oh yea, to answer my question I guess it is cool to run windows software through emulation, thats all...
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