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Yet Another Exchange Killer?

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the optimism-springs-eternal dept.

SuSE 333

jmertic writes "SuSE Linux now has the latest Exchange killer, but this time for Exchange Server. Openexchange Server is designed to be a drop in replacement for Exchange 5.5 users who don't want to pay the MS tax of going to Exchange 2000. They say it will be available mid November."

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Witness the Fitness (-1)

Asdfghanistan (590625) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533853)

Well well well Taskmaster burst The bionic zit splitter Breakneck speed we drown ten pints of bitter we lean all day and some say that ain't productive but that depends upon the demon that you're stuck with 'cos right now I see clearer than most I sit here contented with this cheese on toast I feel the pain of a third world famine Segue we count them blessings and keep jamming 'tis him scumbag, scum of the earth his worth was nil until he found the skill of tongues from 15 years young straight to my grey back self I stay top shelf material Jerk chicken, jerk fish Break away slave bliss Generate G's and then we stash them in the Swiss Fools can't see this Audio pistols a fistful of hip hop donzai Progressin' in the flesh Esoteric quotes most frightening Duppy took hold of my hand while I was writing Let go me ting Duppy Let go me hand I summon up the power of banana clan... Witness the fitness The cruffatin liveth One hope one quest. [Repeat] Swigging that deep root juice Now we deh 'pon it boost Set them spirit them loose Go 'head go slash up the noose With conclusive proof of both the truth The right 'cos whether we hitch hike or push bike or travel kinda trash manifest that with wholesome roots rap manifest that yeah I do my zing way Ain't nutten else I know Gone up in the life With this I-ragged born flow Squeeze the pain from my belly and set my soul free Travel over ocean land and sea Faced nuff stress and difficulty Flung back from the brink Gwan'ing kind of stink We don't give a frig about what them fools think Frig your network Our dett work will speak for itself Proof of the trophy And the champion belt Come sun come rain come hailstone pelt. [CHORUS] Bwana Simit With some old time shit let the whole world know we on some off key tip mega manic when time the pressure start lick by the hook or by the crook by the poop or by the kick he's sickly cryptic spitting the code and most proud to present that cruffatin mode and it shows that they bro's done seen a few sleights life throws scenarios reality bites we in collision with the beast lost we religion and we can't get no peace idiot weakheart want to take I for chief stoop to their level and we plotting cold grief but we should know that discipline maketh the geez separation of the DAT from the rat that's a must proceed set speed with the cruffatin touch proceed set speed crufatin yow... [CHORUS]

Re:Witness the Fitness (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533907)

You need beating

Re:Witness the Fitness [Asdfghanistan] (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533960)

Aw, fucking formatting. REPOST:

Well well well
Taskmaster burst, the bionic zit splitter
Breakneck speed, we drown ten pints of bitter
we lean all day
and some say that ain't productive
but that depends upon the demon that you're stuck with
'cos right now I see clearer than most
I sit here contented with this cheese on toast
I feel the pain of a third world famine
Segue, we count them blessings and keep jamming
'tis him, scumbag, scum of the earth
his worth was nil
until he found the skill of tongues
from 15 years young straight to my grey back self
I stay top shelf material
Jerk chicken, jerk fish, Break away slave bliss
Generate G's and then we stash them in the Swiss
Fools can't see this, Audio pistols
a fistful of hip hop donzai
Progressin' in the flesh
Esoteric quotes most frightening
Duppy took hold of my hand while I was writing
Let go me ting Duppy
Let go me hand, I summon up the power of banana clan...
Witness the fitness
The cruffatin liveth
One hope one quest. [Repeat]
Swigging that deep root juice
Now we deh 'pon it boost
Set them spirit them loose
Go 'head go slash up the noose
With conclusive proof of both the truth
The right 'cos whether we hitch hike or push bike
or travel kinda trash
manifest that with wholesome roots rap
manifest that yeah I do my zing way
Ain't nutten else I know
Gone up in the life With this I-ragged born flow
Squeeze the pain from my belly and set my soul free Travel over ocean land and sea
Faced nuff stress and difficulty
Flung back from the brink
Gwan'ing kind of stink We don't give a frig about what them fools think
Frig your network Our dett work will speak for itself
Proof of the trophy And the champion belt
Come sun come rain come hailstone pelt.
[CHORUS]
Bwana Simit With some old time shit
let the whole world know
we on some off key tip
mega manic when time the pressure start lick
by the hook or by the crook
by the poop or by the kick
he's sickly cryptic spitting the code
and most proud to present that cruffatin mode
and it shows that they bro's done
seen a few sleights life throws scenarios
reality bites we in collision with the beast
lost we religion and we can't get no peace
idiot weakheart want to take I for chief
stoop to their level and we plotting cold grief
but we should know that discipline maketh the geez
separation of the DAT from the rat that's a must
proceed set speed with the cruffatin touch
proceed set speed crufatin yow...
[CHORUS]


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Must I say... (-1, Offtopic)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533855)

Fristus Postus?

Yay!

Black pussy is good. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533874)

Every white guy should fuck one.

FIRST POST (-1)

Chronic Bluntt (579863) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533856)

YEAH BIATTTCHES!

Prediction: It will be available in november.. (3, Funny)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533860)

with POP3 functionality.

Everything else will be "Planned for the future" and they will be recruiting programmers.

Re:Prediction: It will be available in november.. (5, Informative)

zurab (188064) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534223)

with POP3 functionality.

Everything else will be "Planned for the future" and they will be recruiting programmers.


C'mon now! They even state on the features page that The preferred protocol is IMAP.
Why predict when you can read and find out?
Features [suse.com] page says it will come with SMTP, Webmail, IMAP, LDAP, spam filter, Samba PDC, and DHCP. The features include E-mail (of course), scheduler, document management, project management, addressbooks, forums, knowledgebase, etc., etc., etc..

Not that you can't piece these software packages yourself, but this sounds like it will be an integrated solution for mail server like Exchange or Groupwise servers, integrated IMAP and web interface; basically they want people to have OpenExchange server interoperate with MS Exchange server (migrating period), and after you're sure everything is set up correctly as you want it then ditch [suse.com] the MS Exchange completely. All this will be configurable through YaST too.

To me it sounds very nice as an alternative and way cheaper too.

MS Tax? (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533863)

why don't you people stop making like you're being forced to buy more from Microsoft? The only real taxes are those collected by the government with guns to back them up.

Microsoft doesn't come close to this.

Re:MS Tax? (2, Insightful)

kingofnopants (600490) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533882)

the "tax" refers to the cost that microsoft charges you to upgrade. you usually have to upgrade or else the obsolete software is practically unusable.

Re:MS Tax? (2, Informative)

jas79 (196511) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534007)

Didn't MS tax orginal aply to new computers which always came with a MS OS. even if you didn't want the OS, you still had to pay the license.

Re:MS Tax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534067)

That is the theory, but it has only been a tool of the whiners. There has never been a time you couldn't buy a PC without an OS and having to pay MS anything. SOME vendors will do this to you, don;t use them! I've been doing it for 15 years now. Call it /. lie #17264.

Re:MS Tax? (2)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534208)

Then you can start by telling us which PC vendors do this. You only get to include those with significant marketshare or a well trusted support organization.

Fred's house of parts doesn't count.

Re:MS Tax? (1)

Spamuel (246002) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534012)

Practically unusable? That's funny because the copy of Word 97 on my computer at home still opens doc files just fine.

Re:MS Tax? (3, Funny)

Dragon213 (604374) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534136)

But have you tried to open any doc files from someone that has "upgraded" to Office 2000? Almost impossible unless that person has the sense-of-mind to save it in the old 97 Office format..........

Perhaps I'm wrong, but that fits the defination of "practically unusable" to me. Not to mention being an "MS Tax"...

"To open newer Office files, you will have to upgrade to Office 2000. This 'upgrade' will cost you all of your privicy rights (EULA), everything that's in your bank account (the actual monitary cost), and all your hair (from frustruation)."

"Thanks for calling Microsoft Tech Support, how can we mug you..I mean, help you...today?"

Re:MS Tax? (2, Interesting)

caspper69 (548511) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534171)

You are mostly wrong. I use OfficeXP and my father runs '97. Never have a problem moving one doc to another*, and I don't save as another format. The last real change was with Office '95.

*I can't say it's entirely perfect because when I do a flowchart (graphics in word) he can't see it in editing mode, but he can in Print Preview and he can print it. Not a big deal since I do all of that and he doesn't ever use the feature, but I guess it could be a problem elsewhere.

Re:MS Tax? (1)

nmg (614483) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534071)

Interesting you should say that, as I have 200 233MHz PCs running Windows 98 with Office 97 perfectly fine, thank you very much.

Re:MS Tax? (0, Flamebait)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533887)

C'mon man, log in!!!! What, afraid of "losing" your "karma" because you are defending the Ebil Empire [sic] ?

Like that fucking matters. Hey, look at me, I'm burning it away and having a heck of a time!!!1!!

Re:MS Tax? (-1, Flamebait)

scotch (102596) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533932)

Shut your cake hole.

Re:MS Tax? (-1, Troll)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533970)

Are you, like, insulting me?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Fuck off and die, Open Sores bitch.

Re:MS Tax? (0, Offtopic)

dirkdidit (550955) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534008)

Fuck off and die, Open Sores bitch.


Wouldn't these open sores you talk about require sexual contact of some sort? Yeah like anyone who visits Slashdot has had that happen.

Re:MS Tax? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534027)

I'm guessing sex with other men can give you open sores, too.

Re:MS Tax? (5, Insightful)

pmineiro (556272) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533977)

why don't you people stop making like you're being forced to buy more from Microsoft? The only real taxes are those collected by the government with guns to back them up.

well, all the time i order machines that i intend to install linux on from vendor X, and i say, "i don't want windows installed on the machine, and i don't want to pay for a windows license". however, thanks to microsoft's bulk licensing approach with vendors, this is not possible.

no guns, but i am forced to buy what i don't want, and put $60 in the coffers of a company i don't like.

now, one could say that exchange is a totally optional product, and that one is not forced to buy it, so the concept of "M$ tax" doesn't apply to this case. fair enough. however it does apply to some cases, and is a valid term.

-- p

Re:MS Tax? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534058)

Then you are not buying from the right place. There are thousands of vendors that will sell you computer with no OS installed. You can also make them yourself (An extremely cost effective solution for large companies).

You are not "forced" to buy anything. You are whining. Nothing more.

Re:MS Tax? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534091)

If you want a name brand, you are in fact "forced". You are being pedantic. Nothing more.

Re:MS Tax? (2)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534093)

well, all the time i order machines that i intend to install linux on from vendor X, and i say, "i don't want windows installed on the machine, and i don't want to pay for a windows license". however, thanks to microsoft's bulk licensing approach with vendors, this is not possible.

Sounds like you need to (a) find a different vendor or (2) start building your own machines. I suspect most screwdriver shops would have no problems building "naked PCs," and they probably use better parts than Dell anyway. (Some of 'em will use sh*tty parts if you let them get away with it, though, so be careful...you might want to specify the motherboard, processor, hard drive, etc. that you want if you're going to have the machine built.)

Re:MS Tax? (2)

danheskett (178529) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534129)

now, one could say that exchange is a totally optional product, and that one is not forced to buy it, so the concept of "M$ tax" doesn't apply to this case. fair enough. however it does apply to some cases, and is a valid term.
You should find a new hardware vendor. Just because yours is a lame MS whore doesn't mean they all are. You are hardly forced to buy from a single vendor. AND before you claim you, your boss doesn't count. Not unless you are an illegal slave from a far away land.

There is not now nor has there been even a single case where a creative person could not avoid buying Microsoft products. Period.

Obvioulsy you've never used Exchange (5, Insightful)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533997)


Typical Scenerio.

User: I want to be able to share my schedule contacts and project info.

admin: sure we can install exchange it will cost $$$$$$, ohh yea it also runs on Win2k.

user: wtf? are you nuts. aren't our win2k servers the ones that all went down because of that mimlinda, in lisa and melissa and code red, .. is there anything else that will let me use ms office and its nifty features such a schedule sharing and such.

admin: well errr , lets see .. aaahh. no ..

moral, SuSE (my distro of choice) is giving users an option to MS that will not be as much of a bite in the butt. ohh yea it runs on linux.

ps. I dont give a damn about the spelling errors

Re:Obvioulsy you've never used Exchange (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534179)

you like cox don't you?
Anal Cox!
bitchmonkey

Re:Obvioulsy you've never used Exchange (5, Informative)

TedCheshireAcad (311748) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534196)

I've run into this many times before with admins who come out of the MCSE mill. Unfortunately, there's no way to get your money back for Exchange/W2K once you've been ass reamed for it.

A good option that I've reccomended and implemented is phpGroupWare, which works really well for a small to medium size office that needs basic collaboration sofware.

Re:MS Tax? (3, Interesting)

Psx29 (538840) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534006)

Microsoft doesn't come close to this.

They are actually worse then the government if you think about it since what they are doing has already been declared illegal and many things they have done have been illegal and all they get is a slap on the wrist "don't do it again" the government says. The government and microsoft probably have closer ties than most people would like to think...some kind of twisted symbiotic relaionship...parasitic to the people however...(Editors Note: Or Maybe I am just paranoid)

Re:MS Tax? (1)

profaneone (316036) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534124)

you are right it cannot be a tax....it must be a tribute then.

One Word (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533886)

Vaporware. Nuff said bitches. This one is for all the NYC Tower dead. May they rest in peace as they feed the worms. My m a n h a m is eruptin'.

CNet's taking a dim view on Kapor's plan (0, Offtopic)

joeflies (529536) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533888)

Charles Cooper's opinion [com.com] on Kapor's plan goes straight into non-related issues, no supporting facts for his arguement, and a personal attack on Kapor.

RTFA (TROLL ALERT!) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533921)

This has nothing to do with Kapor or his Exchange server replacement plan. Read the article before trolling.

Will It Work As A Drop-in For 5.0? (2, Interesting)

The Turd Report (527733) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533895)

I get customers who have '5.0', it is an open relay by default and can not be secured, who get hijacked by spammers. The only way for them to secure their server is to buy '5.5'. The subject line has my question. Anyone know?

Re:Will It Work As A Drop-in For 5.0? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534187)

bad troll, bad

Yupp gotta have this topic every single week (2, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533898)

Of course so far it aint happening but like President Bush has tought the nation just repeat
your lies long enough and some people believe that they are the truth.

Its a drop in replacement, with groupware featured supplied by a different third party
seperate from email.

So far I have not seen any mention in this product of automatic migrating of all user content?

Im my opinion a 'drop in' replacement would have the ability to migrate all user content from existing infrastructure into the new infrastructure.

What this is a dang expensive hodge podge of
technology, whos features, can somewhat match what Exchange has but not with the same integration and user interface tools .

In the article I read earlier they basically even admit that yes you can probably cobble together this stuff yourself a lot cheaper.

So instead of going with Exhcange, and not have to have a painfull transistion, retraining your thousands of users, etc, you go out pay half or a bit more than for upgrading Exchange, sell your soul to a version 1.0, dont know if we will survive solution, which will probably not feature any migration possiblities, if in fact there is no version 2.0

Either go full opensource, or just choose one of the established players in this field, at least if you have a sizeable number of users.

Re:Yupp gotta have this topic every single week (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534201)

> Of course so far it aint happening but like President Bush has tought the nation just repeat
your lies long enough and some people believe that they are the truth.

Wrong president. Clinton taught us that.

Not. (4, Insightful)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533904)

This is *not* a drop in replacement for an exchange server. This does look like a nicely packaged set of servers to replace the functionality, with optional arm&leg support contracts.

woo.hoo.

I mean, yeah professional support is a great thing that will get a little bit into companies, but seriously, nobody is going to rip out an exchange server, dispite its distatefulness; then reconfigure every client to use smtp-auth/imap/ldap not to mention *loose* outlook's calendaring feature, just for clientside flexibility that they never wanted in the first place?

Re:Not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533957)

Don't you mean *lose*?

Re:Not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533965)

if you're going to post here please learn english.

they wouldn't *loose* anything.

they might *lose* something.

look it up in a dictionary.

Re:Not. (3, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533985)

This type of drop in replacement is the equivalent of dropping in a v8 hemi engine in my VW Bug.

A real drop in replacement, the end user wouldnt even know about back end changes.

Re:Not. (0, Flamebait)

bellings (137948) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534199)

This type of drop in replacement is the equivalent of dropping in a v8 hemi engine in my VW Bug.

Yes. All software for Linux is powerful and reliable. Anything for Windows is weak and brittle.

Unless you meant that putting a v8 engine into a bug makes it into a jury-rigged car with a lot of home-made parts, with no backseet, that's almost guaranteed to break if you try to use it hard, and which never again really works as a daily driver.

In that case, yes. I would agree that ripping out Exchange to install some half-baked set of brand new servers developed by a financially ailing company is a lot like putting a v8 in a bug.

Source code license? (5, Interesting)

pope nihil (85414) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533909)

I notice that you can get the source code, but under what license?

SuSE Linux Openexchange Server 4


Base license with ten groupware clients and an unlimited number of external e-mail clients (POP3/IMAP)

Order no.: 2118-1INT

US $ 1,249.00

Software
SuSE Linux Openexchange Server 4 (based on SLES 8), source code (4 CDs)

Re:Source code license? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534204)

source code is already out there.

http://www.horde.org/

http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/

http://www.postfix.org/

But I've got too much money! (5, Funny)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533910)

I've got to spend 30 million dollars in 30 days so I can inheirit 300 million! I can't give any away to charity, and I can't tell anyone why I'm doing it! (shhh.)

MS Exchange is perfect for my needs! I can pick up a 1000 seat licence and a couple of XP Advanced Servers and blow my wad right there! Plus, I can hire a bunch of IT guys to keep up with bugs and patches - ooooh, don't kill Exchange!

Signed, Brewster
(a.k.a Richard Prior)

Re:But I've got too much money! (1)

caspper69 (548511) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534211)

Not to be a nit-picker because your comment was funny, but Brewster couldn't buy anything that had equity. Unfortunately, a couple .NET Advanced Servers and Exchange + the hardware to run them would definitely put something in the 'asset' column.

Of course with the rate of depreciation on hardware and software it wouldn't be worth dick soon enough, but not in 30 days!

Wow (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533913)

Wouldnt it be awesome if this was integrated with Evolution to give the open-source market a firm footing in the messaging arena

OSS == non oringal names (3, Insightful)

Jonny Ringo (444580) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533918)

Why is the root name copied in all open source software of the proprietary version in which it competes? Its unimaginative, it often cause problems legally, it sounds like a runner up solution instead of something possibly better.

Thoughts?

Re:OSS == non oringal names (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533949)

Tacking the word "open" onto the name of the most popular program in the genre has become a sort of convention hasn't it? But I think using the word open for non-free (beer *and* speech) software is bad form. "Open****" should mean open.

Re:OSS == non oringal names (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534033)

What, do you now own the word "open"? Sure it's not free but it may certainly be "open" in it's use of "open" protocols. Remeber what everyone always says. "Open" != "Free". Just because they are charging, doesn;t mean that it's not "Open" does it?

And what does "open" mean. "Open Source" "Open Protocol" "Open Licensing"? I mean really. It could mean 50 different things. Any one or more of which would make the use of "Open" perfectly "Acceptable" (As if there is some kind of policing of the use of the word "open" in the first place)

Re:OSS == non oringal names (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534108)

(-1, Too many quotation marks)

Re:OSS == non oringal names (2, Insightful)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534133)

Linux/BSD != Windows
Nautilus/Konqueror != Explorer
Mozilla/Galeon/Phoenix != IE
Evolution != Outlook
Gnumeric != Excel
Blender != Maya
Apache != IIS

The list goes on and on. While some opensource products have names similar to proprietary ones (Abiword, OpenOffice, Lindows), the vast majority don't. For that matter, many proprietary products have names similar to others (WordPerfect Office). Open source projects are not disproportionally guilty of name theft.

Still a tax (1, Insightful)

anon757 (265661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533931)

So, instead of paying the Microsoft tax, you're paying the SuSe tax [suse.com] ?

Re:Still a tax (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534011)

Good job on the sig.. Real topical and current-like.

Re:Still a tax (1)

anon757 (265661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534097)

I know. I like to keep at least as current as /. itself.

Re:Still a tax (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534147)

Might want to update your sig.

Exchange killer or not. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533933)

Would that this were an Exchange killer. It is not. The SuSe material says you can 'sync' your Outlook with it, just like your PDA. Ooooo!

Calendar, Task Requests, Free/Busy? I wish.

Like it or not, Outlook users in corporate mode use a lot of exchange _server_ features. Outlook (and Express) users that use it in POP/IMAP mode exclusively could care less. Maybe this is an Exchange killer for POP/IMAP users, but so is Cyrus.

This is no 'drop in' replacement; its not any kind of a replacement in unless a lot of drugs are added.

Am I saying its no good? No; we haven't seen it yet. It's not an Exchange replacement. It looks like Bynari.

Some alternatives... (5, Informative)

jeroenb (125404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534092)

Am I saying its no good? No; we haven't seen it yet. It's not an Exchange replacement. It looks like Bynari.

Bynari however, does produce an actual replacement for Exchange, especially when coupled with the InsightConnector for Outlook [bynari.net] .

Also, the former HP OpenMail now owned by Samsung and called Samsung Contact [samsungcontact.com] appears to support MAPI as well, so that could integrate with Outlook and have all those groupware/calendaring features.

And last, a Dutch company called ConnecTUX [connectux.com] has created a Linux-based server application called Team-Link [team-link.com] that integrates completely with Outlook and mimics all Exchange features. (Both sites in Dutch unfortunately.)

So plenty of alternatives. But I agree, this OpenExchange, is not one of them.

Re:Exchange killer or not. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534134)

Even if it did have the features, it can be better/cheaper than M$ all it wants - but name me an IT director that lost their job for implementing an M$ suite.

Interesting use of "Open" (5, Insightful)

rgmoore (133276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533939)

Unfortunately, it doesn't sound as though the "Open" in "Openexchange" means that it's going to be open-source. SUSE mentions that they have a much friendlier licensing policy than MS, only paying for people who are actually connected to the server instead of per seat that can connect. That's nice, but it just means that you're getting hooked into a proprietary system that's likely to be less well developed and possibly even less reliable than Exchange, without any of the advantages of Free/Open Source software. Very disappointing.

Re:Interesting use of "Open" (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533995)

Never mind that you can do it either way with Exchange, which-ever benfits your situation more... But never let it be said that facts get in the way of a good MS diss on /.!

Re:Interesting use of "Open" (5, Informative)

bo-eric (263735) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534045)

Taking a look at the "Features" page (of the "Article"), we see that the components Openexchange Server consists of are the following:

  • Operating system: SuSE Linux Enterprise Server 8 for ia32, Kernel 2.4.19
  • Installation: graphical installation with YaST2
  • SMTP mail server, mail transfer agent: Postfix 1.1.11
  • IMAP mail delivery agent: Cyrus IMAP 2.1.9
  • Web server: Apache 1.3.26
  • LDAP server: OpenLDAP 2.1.4
  • Integrated spam filter
  • Samba PDC
  • DHCP


Admittedly, the "Integrated spam filter" and "DHCP" parts are not specified and might be closed source, but that seems quite unlikely, IMHO. Every other component seems to be both open sourced and free. Am I missing the reason you concluded it was closed-source?

Something I don't get (5, Funny)

silhouette (160305) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533942)

I don't understand why people are always talking about the latest and greatest exchange killer.

There was already an exchange killer. It was called Nimda.

Bugs included? (1)

bartmank (575828) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533955)

Im just wondering if they are including all the "undocumented design features" exchange seems to include.

Yay, is it GPL or BSD? (1, Redundant)

Eric Seppanen (79060) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533967)

GPL or BSD? Artistic License? MPL?
SuSE Linux Openexchange Server 4
Base license with ten groupware clients and an unlimited number of external e-mail clients (POP3/IMAP)
Order no.: 2118-1INT
US $ 1,249.00
*sob*

Re: REDUNDANT? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533994)

Read the comments above you please.

MAPI support? (5, Informative)

TheBracket (307388) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533974)

I looked through the site, and could see no sign of native MAPI support - rather, you have the usual collection of IMAP, POP3, SMTP, etc. protocols. Many sites I look after would love to switch to a free Exchange replacement when they phase out their current 5.5 deployments - but if it doesn't support MAPI and seamlessly integrate with Outlook, they won't be interested.

It also seems to be missing a few of Exchange's better features: single instance message storage, (relatively) easy multi-site replication, deleted item retention, just to name a few.

Finally, who on Earth wants to put their Exchange server on their PDC? If this product doesn't integrate well with existing domains, I don't think that I have a single client who could actually use it!

Re:MAPI support? (4, Funny)

Kunta Kinte (323399) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534158)

I looked through the site, and could see no sign of native MAPI support - rather, you have the usual collection of IMAP, POP3, SMTP, etc. protocols.

Yeah, those useless IETF standards!

yo (1, Interesting)

hfastedge (542013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533978)

Interesting phenomena at work here: let the company with the $$ develop the product first. Then the open sourceres write it for free in their leisure time and the people that paid for the $$ eventually switch to free. This makes the writers of $$ want to change their product enough so that its either:
a) 100% as difficult to rewrite, but transparent to the users OR
b) defend their licensing in court.

Anyway, this is a very weird cycle. I'd be enlightened if some other enightened minds could suggest some alternative cycles. Maybe there arent any.

-skimpIzu!

First Troll (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4533986)

Imagine a Beowulf cluster of these!

Exchange SuSE (5, Funny)

Rik van Riel (4968) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533989)

... so, who's going to print the shirts ? ;)

Exchange Killer? (1, Redundant)

Lord of the Fries (132154) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533998)

I thought that's what all of those emails with embedded html viruses that people click on was.

What about Outlook and Calendaring?! (3, Insightful)

nvrrobx (71970) | more than 11 years ago | (#4533999)

If it doesn't support Outlook and the way it handles calendaring and such as smoothly as Exchange does, it will never be an Exchange Server killer!

I know I'm not the first, nor will I be the last person to make this observation.

Wait a minute. (5, Informative)

SlashChick (544252) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534002)

This is being touted as an Exchange killer, yet it costs $1249 for 10 licenses?

I just looked up Exchange 2000 Server pricing. Assuming you're upgrading from Exchange 5.5, the base package for Exchange 2000 Server is $639 and the additional 5 licenses need to bring your server up to 10 licenses are $499, bringing your total to $1138.

You save $111 in license fees by upgrading to Exchange 2000 instead of buying this solution.

Here is where I got my prices for Exchange. [freesoftwareshipping.com] Note that I have no affiliation with this company and have never bought software there; I found them on a Google search.

So, if cost isn't the advantage here, what is? Exchange 2000 is pretty much guaranteed to have more features and support. I can't see why anyone would want to buy this product.

Re:Wait a minute. (2, Informative)

jas79 (196511) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534102)

that isn't right.

a)You are comparing a full version of a product with the upgrade version.
b) you need an OS to run exchange on.

taking the price of a full version of exchange and a full version of windows 2000. $644+$1200 =$1844

Re:Wait a minute. (1)

sdb6247 (532003) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534155)

Not only that, but you also need to buy the client access license for the windows server.

Keep adding to that $1844...

Re:Wait a minute. (1)

swfranklin (578324) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534165)

Oh? That isn't the way the post was positioned: designed to be a drop in replacement for Exchange 5.5 users who don't want to pay the MS tax of going to Exchange 2000.

The presumed customer already has Exchange 5.5, and an OS that it is running on.

Re:Wait a minute. (5, Informative)

MyHair (589485) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534214)

From reading the other comments, Openexchange appears to have a 10 concurrent user license where Microsoft is per seat licensed.

So if you have 200 users but only 10 are connected to the server at any given time you'd need a 10-user Openexchange license or a 200-user MS Exchange license.

Plus MS server OSes require client licensing, too. Suse doesn't.

At work a group was all sold on using terminal services, so we have Win2k terminal servers running Citrix and administered through Novell DeFrame. There are 5 licenses (Windows server, Citrix, Novell user, Novell DeFrame and application) required for every user/application. Yikes! And some licenses are per seat and some are per concurrent user. I guess you could call it six licenses if you throw in the MS Windows client. Why not?

Follows Kapor's "Outlook Killer" (1)

fastdecade (179638) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534015)

This so-called Exchange "killer" follows the recent [slashdot.org]
"outlook killer".

Do not be alarmed Outlook and Exchange users: your products remain alive and well.

Drop-in: NOT (5, Informative)

jlv (5619) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534038)

From the linked page:
The migration from MS Exchange 5.5 is possible without any difficulties.
But, if you go and read their detailed migration plan [suse.com] you'll see this is anything but drop-in. At least they come on-site to assist you in the process (you gotta get something for the extra $1K).

Do what MS does.. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534114)

If they were smart, they'd do what M$ does when its trying to penetrate a market: get a few "early adopter" sites up and running, write a case study or two, and then market market market.

Show me 5 major companies that did the switch (and did it painlessly) and we'll talk. Otherwise, keep smoking.

Exchange 5.5 doesn't do vCal/iCal so why bother? (2)

tzanger (1575) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534040)

kdepim has a filter you can attach to kmail so it captures iCal/vCal attachments. I thought that this would be a great plan until I tried it.

Outlook 2000 running against Exchange Server 5.5 doesn't send iCal/vCal requests -- all it does is send this:

When: Friday, October 13, 2001
Place: Conference Room\nDuration: 2 hours

~~~[stupid lameness filter]~~~
This is a test meeting

wtf good is that?! I really want to use something that'll imitate that. Greaaaaat.

Timing is everything :-/ (5, Funny)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534048)

Just my luck - I'm in the middle of downloading SuSe from one of the mirrors, and it goes and gets slashdotted. What are the odds?

Re:Timing is everything :-/ (1)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534161)

Well I dunno, but this can't related, as it isn't available yet and won't be freely downloadable even when it is.

Fucknozzles (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534053)

Fuckholes. You all suck donkey balls.

If this were an Exchange 2000 "killer"... (1)

NotoriousG.N.U. (620295) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534054)

...I'd be more interested.

Kind of like, how interesting is an Office 95 killer?

The licensing doesn't looking like much of a bargain, either...

--

I love it when you call me longhair bath-needin' poppa!

Exchange 5.5 is key to Open Office and desktop... (2)

sphealey (2855) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534206)

Kind of like, how interesting is an Office 95 killer?
Actually, there are a lot of shops out there running Exchange 5.5. In its day it was a reasonably good, Y2K compliant client/server mail system for those who had outgrown cc:Mail and didn't want to go the route of Lotus Notes.

Now however its day has passed. Many sites want to go to something more secure/stable, more manageable, more scalable. Problem is that Exchange 2000 brings along baggage and licensing fees that midsized shops in particular don't want to deal with.

So - an Exchange 5.5 "drop in" (please - without the security holes) would find a big market. As did Samba in replacing NT systems. And that might actually open the doors to Linux desktop + Open Office conversions.

sPh

What's the point? (3, Interesting)

bamf (212) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534066)

It's not a "drop-in" replacement for Exchange, it's a "pay us $999 plus expenses if you have an old setup, otherwise ask us for a quote" replacement for Exchange.

It's not even cheap. I know I can get good pricing from Microsoft due the area in which I work (Healthcare), but this is considerably more expensive, probably twice the cost for just the base server application.

I think I'll give it a miss :-)

I have a new hero... (-1)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534081)

and his name is Adam Smith, D-Wash.

Shoulda called it Foreign Exchange... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534087)

together with Samba and cxoffice, you can now run LookOut and Exploder to get full MS virus capability for each user, on Linux...

Evolution bites (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534090)

Why won't Evolution 1.0.8 actually use any the filters I set up for it? Even simple things like "if mail is from " move to don't work. I know it's listening, since if it put "not from " it moves EVERYTHING. Piece of crap.

Not likely. (3, Insightful)

amokk (465630) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534106)

Yet Another Exchange Killer?

This implies that there has already been an exchange killer. As should be blatantly obvious to everyone involved, this is hardly the case.

the blind leading the blind (-1)

IAgreeWithThisPost (550896) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534137)

i am convinced the faithful linux zealots, have never been in charge of a medium/large company's IT department..

They speak only in passion, not common business sense.

I'm not fan of MS, I just know which way the wind blows.

meanwhile, the months/years keep ticking and linux still is nowhere near ready for primetime on the business desktop.

openexchange? why do you people keep emulating MS apps if you hate them so much. WHat's next..OpenIIS? shiver

Hardly a replacement.... (3, Insightful)

Unnamed Source (612437) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534164)

when it would cost me just as much as Exchange and doesn't provide all the functionality.

kroupware (5, Informative)

fava (513118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534212)

The kroupware project [kroupware.org] and [slashdot.org] and [slashdot.org] is supposed to be exchange compatible as well as open source and free of those pesky licencing fees.

Scheduled completion by the end of the year.

Good, now where can I get the source.. (2, Interesting)

dameron (307970) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534218)

for "Open"Exchange...?

Easy now.... (5, Informative)

kikensei (518689) | more than 11 years ago | (#4534222)

Wow. SuSE doesn't have many supporters at /., eh? I've used SuSE mail servers 2 and 3 at a few consulting clients and find them to be well designed, solid products. THe price on Version 2 was a paltry $399 or some such, but SuSE learned that people don't buy a good thing unless its expensive, so they ratcheted the price of v.3 to $999. To install the SuSE server, you boot off the CD, accept all defaults and wait about 15 minutes. SuSE linux is installed jointly with the mail server, so from bare drive to fully functional takes about 20 minutes. Previous versions work well with IMAP or POP (i use IMAP) and come bundled with a a custom version of Arkeia backup software so you can slap on a tape drive and back up the server every night. Server has a great web mail client (much better in the Open Exchange version) and allows users to easily change their vacatin, auto-reply, forwarding prefs from a web config screen. Using outlook, Mozilla, Netscape or any LDAP compliant email client, you can pull all your user addresses off the server with a link to the server based LDAP directory, no server based config needed. I love this client for small business clients, and I will certainly give the latest a shot. Just 'cause the slashdot headline uses the term "exchange killer" doesn't mean you have to jump on SuSE like lemmings off a cliff. SuSE often touts "exchange-like groupware" functionality, only to reveal that its soley available via the web based client scheduler. That aside, they make good products. If you don't have time to configure your own, its worth a shot.

I know I'm going to unpopular for saying this... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4534226)

But i'm seeing a lot of people complain that SuSE is charging for this "Exchange killer". It's taken MS litterally hundres of thousands of man hours to develop Exchange. I'm sure the developers at SuSE have put in at least some effort into developing their clone. Do you really expect either of them to give it away for free?!? When I go to buy TV I don't consider what I pay the Sony tax. And When I buy a car I don't consider the price of that the Honda tax. I want to use something people have worked very hard to create. I'm buying a product. This costs money. Deal with it.
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