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Linus says 2.6 kernel will be out by June 2003

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the believe-it-when-you-see-it dept.

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Xpilot writes "C|Net reports that Linus Torvalds predicts 2.6 will be out by June next year during a talk on his Geek Cruise. Linus called the next release '2.6', but knowing him that may be just a working title;)" Update: 10/26 17:29 GMT by T : An anonymous reader adds "Rob Landley has published the latest list of features being considered for inclusion" in the new kernel; ... "the long and impressive list is available in more or less human readable form on Linux and Main."

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Are you sure ? (5, Funny)

cOdEgUru (181536) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537077)

Or did he just have one too many Margaritas on the Cruise :)

FTM says Bush2.0 is a terrorist (-1, Troll)

Fecal Troll Matter (445929) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537121)

NO MORE BLOOD FOR OIL

Translation... (5, Funny)

lar3ry (10905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537081)

This will be March, 2004 in "Linux Years."

Re:Translation... (5, Funny)

ralmeida (106461) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537389)

At least he didn't use "Debian Years"...

Re:Translation... (5, Funny)

yobbo (324595) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537728)

or Duke Nukem/Falcon 4.0 years...

Re:Translation... (4, Funny)

PinkX (607183) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537803)

Or Microsoft Time, even... 17 seconds left... 45 seconds left... 3 minutes left... etc.

I thought... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537083)

...that Linus was going to call it linux-3.0. Can somebody please stick with an official version number?

Re:I thought... (3, Funny)

frp001 (227227) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537101)

Either they called it 3.0 and the release date was June 2004, or it was 2.6 and released June 2003...

Re:I thought... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537118)

He should call it Linux 8.0
2.6 sounds old, we need to catch up to MSN and AOL

Re:I thought... (5, Funny)

cscx (541332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537119)

Nah. As with most open-source projects, there is this sickly fear of ones-place-rollover in the version number. That's why you have so many programs with a version number like 0.9999.9.9.9.9.9.4

No more 9.9-pre-beta-5116.0002-r3-pre-patch-ac4-02 (4, Informative)

dattaway (3088) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537504)

To prevent this dreaded war upon version numbers, a good formula would be something like:

V=1-1/X

As your revisions increment, you will be closer to the famed 1.0 release, but never quite there. The press can always ask, "ARE WE THERE YET?" and always be told, "IN A FEW MINUTES!"

Re:I thought... (2)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537146)

Well, it will be called 3.0 and it won't be out by June. The re-numbering will be a ceremonial excuse to attone for the feature creep and the resulting lateness in shipping.

...well, probably. I mean, I don't have any insider information; I just pay attention to kernel release schedules. I really like the idea of calling it 2.6 because it lets contributers know that it's not supposed to be a miraculous improvement--so it might ship sooner that way.

Re:I thought... (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537187)

dude...Linus says it will be 2.6, and that is that. there is no huge new anything that would deem it to be 3.0.

Re:I thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537511)

VM, BI/O, scheduling, scalability, ACLs...

Re:I thought... (1)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537681)

so.....the only inovative things are UML, the preemption patch being merged, and CML2

Nah, it's called YET ANOTHER WINDOWS KILLER (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537325)

You know, like this other similar but not direct replacement OSS product [slashdot.org] . Any time OSS comes out with something that's a less functional copy of an MS product, it's a 'killer' of that product. Get it right!

Re:I thought... (2)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537374)

Linux goes to 3.x when it breaks compatability with 2.x.

Re:I thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537530)

It's a kernel. It doesn't have "compatability." Compilers and libraries have "compatability." Please remove your head from your anus before speaking.

Re:I thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537624)

What about ELF/a.out binaries, you fucking idiot? An ELF binary is usable in 2.0, but not 1.0. Sounds like broken compatibility to me.

Re:I thought... (1)

gid (5195) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537706)

When linux went from 1.x to 2.x (circa 1995-96?) when they switched over to elf binaries from the a.out format they broke compatibility. ELF binaries do not run on Linux 1.2.x and below.

The only thing worse than no information, is wrong information.

2.5.xx (5, Funny)

NWT (540003) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537090)

If they continue like that, we'll soon have 2.5.100 ... chicks dig fancy kernel numbers.

Re:2.5.xx (5, Interesting)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537125)

High teeny version numbers are not uncommon in devel branches.

The 2.1 series [kernel.org] got as high as 2.1.132 [kernel.org] .

Re:2.5.xx (1)

mce (509) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537380)

Some moons ago, Linus has been noted saying that the 2.x.100+ numbers were too large for his taste, tough.

Re:2.5.xx (3, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537233)

Personally, I've got my money on Linux 2: Electric Bugaloo

Transmeta (-1, Interesting)

Trusty Penfold (615679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537093)

"I really dislike IA-64. I think it's a losing strategy," Torvalds said. "My personal hope is that IA-64 withers and dies because there's no point. It performs badly; it's expensive; it's an all-new instruction set that the Transmeta Crusoe processors can't emulate."

Why the digs at Intel in an article about Linux?

Re:Transmeta (3, Insightful)

Aanallein (556209) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537124)

Why the digs at Intel in an article about Linux?
Probably because (the title notwithstanding) it wasn't an article about Linux, but one about a wide variety of (semi-)interesting things Linus said on that cruise. Linux of course is a very important part of that, but not the only thing Linus has an opinion on.

Re:Transmeta (3, Interesting)

cmeans (81143) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537128)

Maybe because he's a human being and he's not happy that Intel has a strategy that could impact Transmeta (his employer) in a negative way.

Re:Transmeta (2, Interesting)

James Skarzinskas (518966) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537129)

I do find it curious that every time CNET posts an article about GNU/Linux that they make sure to include how Torvalds flames or doesn't support some massive product line. I'm guessing they just don't want to make him come across with the public very well.

Re:Transmeta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537246)

You mean:

"I do find it curious that every time CNET posts an article about Linux"

Re:Transmeta (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537536)

Friend, Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds. Using it in a diluted form, ("GNU/Linux") is against the rules. Please make a note of this in the future.

Re:Transmeta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537603)

Well that's his problem if he keeps flaming some massive product line isn't it? If he tells it to a reporter, they're free to publish it.

Re:Transmeta (1)

standsolid (619377) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537183)

Maybe becuase Linux works for transmeta. I'm not sure if that would have made the comment lean one way or another. AMD is also using money to help open source projects (including kernel) to be ported to x86-64, their new architechture.

go opteron!

Re:Transmeta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537430)

Maybe becuase Linux works for transmeta.

"Linux" ??? I hope you realize his name is Linus.

Re:Transmeta (1)

Silk (13032) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537195)

The article is about Linus' Thursday talk on the Geek Cruise. Cnet decided to pick "Torvalds: Next Linux due by June" as their headline so that the story would be picked up by other web sites. It worked.

It'd be ridiculous for the headline to list all the points in the talk. He griped about OS X as well as IA-64. It's what he wanted to talk about and nothing more.

WARNING: incorrect quote (5, Informative)

kryps (321347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537214)

He never said that.

Nowhere in the article did he even imply anything like the last part of this quote (it's an all-new instruction set that the Transmeta Crusoe processors can't emulate). If you wanted to make a point you should have put this statement outside of the quote.

I can't understand why the parent was modded up.

-- kryps

Re:WARNING: incorrect quote (0, Offtopic)

Trusty Penfold (615679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537234)

And we have a winner!

Moron (nt) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537242)

nt

mod parent up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537244)

the original post was simply too misleading.... perhaps a missing </i> ?

Re:Transmeta (5, Insightful)

Brian Stretch (5304) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537256)

Because IA-64 requires a lot of work to support for mediocre results on an atrociously expensive platform that appears to be on a glide path to catastrophic failure. Those efforts could be more productively spent elsewhere.

Meanwhile, x86-64 is much simpler to support, the platform will be cost competitive with current top-of-the-line x86 systems, and you don't have to recompile all your programs if you don't want to. 4-way and 8-way multiprocessor systems ought to be semi-affordable too. In short, it's a far better philosophical and practical fit.

Inanium (5, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537481)

Because IA-64 requires a lot of work to support for mediocre results on an atrociously expensive platform that appears to be on a glide path to catastrophic failure. Those efforts could be more productively spent elsewhere.

That's the best one-sentence indictment of the Inanium I've seen to date.

Intel's plan was to come up with a new, different architecture that no one could clone because Intel had patents on key parts. They did. But it wasn't a better, new, different architecture. It was worse. So it seems headed for the Intel niche processor department, along with the i860 and i960, both of which are quite reasonable RISC machines that nobody cared about.

AMD's 64-bit architecture is straightforward. It's IA-32 expanded to 64 bits, with a few more registers and some of the little-used stuff removed. That's not hard to support. With Linux support, that's likely to be the mainstream machine for cost-effective server farms for the next five years or so. Assuming AMD ships the thing soon.

Re:Transmeta (1)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537314)

The transmeta crusoe can't even emulate x86 instructions at a reasonable speed. I mean this thing gets beat by the CELERON.

Re:Transmeta (5, Insightful)

MentlFlos (7345) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537534)

My brother has that neato little futitsu transmeta powered laptop. It isn't going to win any speed records, but it does a damn fine job at running VERY cool and it just sips the battery unlike all the intel laptops I have owned in the past (with the exception of my old toshiba p-266mmx... that thing was a tank).

By far, it is not a desktop replacement, but when that isn't how you try and use it you are fine. Their cpu was not built to be a killer-super-fast-cpu (and it isn't). I bet if I sit you down on a computer powered by an 800mhz transmeta and a p4 2ghz, you won't even be able to tell the difference with "normal*" tasks.

It all comes down to how one plans on using the technology. Just because _you_ think it is unacceptably slow does not mean others think the same thing. I used to upgrade my PC all the time because it just wasn't fast enough. I stopped doing that around the 1ghz mark because now it is fast enough. To throw a good quote in here... "A blur is just a blur." (this quote was back when doing a 'dir' in dos scrolled by in a blur on a 486sx-33, and it looked the same on a pentium-233.)

*Normal being just checking mail, AIM (or your IM client of choice), Web browsing, Generic stuff like that. Of course this assumes that everything else is the same (HD speed, ram size etc).

bah, I'll just submit this now

Wanna speed up the process? (5, Interesting)

GreyWolf3000 (468618) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537106)

After the feature freeze, if as many people as possible test out the new features and provide bug reports to work on, maybe the impending issues can be fleshed out sooner.

Unless, of course, Linus decides that there must be a set time between when the features are frozen and when the firse betas hit the servers.

I'm getting fairly excited about this, even though I don't plan on using any of these new features. Does that mean I read /. too much? ;)

Re:Wanna speed up the process? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537572)

Yeah, like when I have tried my sound card (i845G under MANY versions of the kernel including 2.5.latest and 2.4.19+aclatest) and it doesn't work.

They have a break; in there that doesn't belong. I removed it and it works. It is in EVERY kernel version. Why? No idea.

if (!i810_ac97_exists(card,num_ac97)) {
if(num_ac97 == 0)
printk(KERN_ERR "i810_audio: Primary codec not ready.\n");
break; /* I think this works, if not ready stop */
}

w/that single break the entire operation stops and doesn't end up init'd the AC_97 codec.

Remove the break; and it is fixed.

Now explain to me how this has made it through SO many kernel revisions w/o being found and I found it w/in 4 hours of installing Linux on a new machine?
}

Needs a better name (5, Funny)

FearUncertaintyDoubt (578295) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537110)

How about "Linux XP" -- eXtended Procrastination

2.6?! (5, Funny)

m0i (192134) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537111)

For most users, Linux is around 8.0 anyway :-) Don't ask'em the difference between linux and the packaging around it a.k.a distribution..

Re:2.6?! (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537143)

this really isn't funny. It's an interesting point. Do most people really care that Linux is at version 2.6 or 3.0? No, not really.

They want to push for 3.0 as a marketing tool, yet most companies that would even consider deploying Linux wouldn't be concerned w/the kernel version #'s. They are going to be concerned w/the distribution version #'s.

After all, their support is probably going to come from the distribution manu, not IRC or a mailing list.

Re:2.6?! (2)

G00F (241765) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537757)

actualy, I would say using 3.0 insted of 2.6 would be for corperate reasons. Look how MS has used the big jumps in version numbering (no .1 or .001 patching). And look to see how much money corperate america spends on them.

Also, Sun did this, they went from 2.6 to 2.7 and called it 7, and now 8, etc.

Personaly, what I'd like to see is 1.2.11 (Version.Features.BugFixes) Meaning its version 1 with 2 updates for featers and 11 fixes of bugs. Adding to the Version number would usualy be when breaking previous protocalls/apis/etc or a complete rewrite.

Re:2.6?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537166)

Mandrake 2.6.100 Linux 8.0 Get it straight man!

Re:2.6?! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537497)

That's GNU/Mandrake 2.6.100 Linux 8.0.

When it's ready... (4, Interesting)

NewbieSpaz (172080) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537139)

What ever happened to the saying "When it's ready"? Or is that just a Redhat/Debian specific philos.?

Re:When it's ready... (5, Insightful)

bogie (31020) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537305)

I think he feels that way as well. Its just that he has learned that the corporate world likes release dates and the one he "gave" is in all likelyhood a resonable estimate. I see nothing in the GNU/Linux philosophy that states that you can't try to set a schedule and stick to it. Just because Redhat says "when its done" doesn't mean there isn't a giant whiteboard at their headquarters saying a certain date is "D-day".

Also this isn't some sort of sign of selling out, but I do think if anyone is to guesstimate when a release is likely, they talked to the right person. He is after all the final authority when it comes to releasing kernels.

Re:When it's ready... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537327)

Nah, its just dumb.

Re:When it's ready... (2, Insightful)

Gubble (619690) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537514)

Giving people dates to catch is a Good Thing. The assumption is that it will be ready then, if everyone tries to make it ready at that time. I don't think if the kernel is not more-or-less ready, he will release it anyway.

Re:When it's ready... (4, Insightful)

rgmoore (133276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537522)

AFAIK nothing happened to the "when it's ready" philosophy. But saying that it will actually be delieverd when it's ready doesn't preclude trying to estimate when that will be or trying to encourage people to get changes committed instead of procrastinating by giving reasonably hard deadlines. And that's what this is: it's an estimate of when things will be done and a target for developers to tell them when he wants them to be finished. It's certainly not a drop-dead, will be released by this date type of deadline.

My impression from what I've read is that Linus is pretty happy with the features that have been implimented in the latest version, and that he thinks that most of the things that can actually be included within a reasonable time frame either have been put in already or can be put in by the end of the month. After that he plans a feature freeze, where no new things are added but existing features can still undergo changes, and then a code freeze, where no changes are allowed except for serious bug fixes. I don't see why it's unreasonable for him to give rough estimates of how long those things will take.

Re:When it's ready... (2, Funny)

Twirlip of the Mists (615030) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537575)

Random, useless fact: I type in startx entirely with my left hand.

People get turned on by the weirdest things.

Get some PRIORITIES! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537144)

The worst terrorist attack in recorded history occurred over a year ago, followed by a Holy War against Islam, and now Israel and the Palestinians as well as India and Pakistan are teetering on the brink of their own war, Argentina is in the midst of a financial crisis, America is considering launching attacks against Somalia and Iraq, and you people have the gall to be discussing the 2.6 kernel???? My *god*, people, GET SOME PRIORITIES!

The bodies of the thousands of innocent civilians who died (and will die) in these unprecedented events could give a good god damn about the 2.6 kernel, your childish Lego models, your nerf toy guns and whining about the lack of a "fun" workplace, your Everquest/Diablo/D&D fixation, the latest Cowboy Bebop rerun, or any of the other ways you are "getting on with your life" (here's a hint: watching Cowboy Bebop in your jammies and eating a bowl of Shreddies is *not* "getting on with your life"). The souls of the victims are watching in horror as you people squander your finite, precious time on this earth playing video games!

You people disgust me!

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (-1, Offtopic)

koko775 (617640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537193)

okay, let's just start whining about things that make us miserable instead of trying to resume our normal lifestyle and make this country work. really, let's all sit on our asses and moan about the troops that will die and line up to sign up for the army because we're going to invade a country that already surrendered to UN inspectors.

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (-1, Troll)

jarrettwold2002 (601633) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537196)

What a coward, you disgust me. You can't even use your name. Correction, I don't eat shreddies I eat wheaties. In addition, please keep me updated on my current "precious time" counter so I can quit FF6 on my SNES emulator in time to grab a beer before the world implodes.
That is unless I remember my towel, in which case according to Douglas Adam's end of the world primer, I'll be A OK.

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (-1, Offtopic)

DrRiffic (52953) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537201)

stfu

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (-1, Troll)

standsolid (619377) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537230)

No, You people disgust me. Why is Israel teetering on war? Democracy. Palestinians don't like Western influence in the middle east, but Westerners sure like to give all they can. You sir, are a moron.

Mod Parent Down: -2 Off topic , -8 Troll

why can't i make you on my foes list.
someday, when nerds rule the world and microsoft has fallen, You will be the idiot who can't install linux and will crawl to us. Even if the earth is one flat patch of dirt.

and for clarification, I don't play RPGs, I have a JOB. I don't watch anime, I have a LIFE. The souls of the victims are laughing their asses off because of how much you think your voice is better spent on flaming us who find it enjoyable to read these kind of news stories.

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (5, Funny)

Graspee_Leemoor (302316) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537301)

" I don't play RPGs, I have a JOB. I don't watch anime, I have a LIFE."

The fact that you've posted 24 comments in the last 3 days on /. tells me otherwise.

Anyway, for the record, I play RPGs, I don't have a job, I watch lots of anime. According to you I "have no life". Why is it that I am blissfully happy then ?

graspee

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (0, Offtopic)

standsolid (619377) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537330)

Sorry for implying that, humble apologies.

I'm not saying you don't have a job/life if you play rpgs/watch anime, that's ridiculous to imply a blanket statement. 24 comments isn't much considering i have school two days a week and 35hr/week job. I type fast too.

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (1)

ojplg (249361) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537683)

Anyway, for the record, I play RPGs, I don't have a job, I watch lots of anime. According to you I "have no life". Why is it that I am blissfully happy then ?

Because you enjoy being supported by you super-model wife?

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537341)

Ordinary innocent Palestinians living on their OWN land have had their human rights stripped away by an invading force.

Nearly all Palestinians want an independent democratic country.

Freedom fighting groups such as Al-Aqsa Martyts Brigade want a democratic state. While groups such as Hamas want an Islamic Palestinian state with Sharia Law. But due to the recent terrorist actions by the Israeli Army and the Zionist entity, Hamas have seen their popularity and support by the Palestinians go through the roof.

Wether Yasir Arafat is terrorist or not, thats debatably. BUT HE WAS ELECTED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE.

Now, which other Arab leader in the Middle East has been elected by his own citizens? None.

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537565)

Bzzzzt. The Jews were there first, so Israel is rightfully theirs. When the Arab nations tried to destroy Israel in 1967, Israel kicked their mother-loving asses and seized the West Bank and Gaza as spoils of war. No invading force here.

There is no Palestine. Palestine is a myth, like Atlantis or Mu. The sooner the Palestinians are either assimilated into Israeli culture, deported to Syria and points eastward, or wiped out, the better for the world in general.

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537363)

someday, when nerds rule the world and microsoft has fallen, You will be the idiot who can't install linux and will crawl to us. Even if the earth is one flat patch of dirt.

But I thought Linux had finally gotten easy to install!

I don't watch anime, I have a LIFE

The two can co-exist.

You're just as much of a dick as the parent. Quit generalizing everything, especially the Middle East.

Re:Get some PRIORITIES! (3, Interesting)

Atrapose (611668) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537317)

The Linux kernel is the largest work of collaborative genius that exists in today's software community. It's become important because people care about it (and its version numbers). A nerd is defined by his/her passion for technology. If you suggest they change their focus, then you're asking them to give in to the asses who tried to change my nation.

Events that shape history need to be presented as history. If we continue to live out the horrors of our generation each day, nothing will get done. If a nerd somewhere sat on his ass playing video games before these attacks, then playing video games again _is_ getting on with life.

If you want to help: survive; don't whine. So go away you... you... poo-poo head! :-

::I copied your sig::

ALL RESPONDENTS HBT. THL. HA Bad D. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537407)

What a bunch of fucking retards. Everyone gets trolled so easily nowadays.

this just in (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537145)

Cmndrtacco reports that Linus Torvalds predicts 2.6 will be out by June next year in a brief snippet of HTML on his Geek Site. In a snide editorial soliloquoy, Tacco adds,

"Linus called the next release '2.6', but knowing him that may be just a working title;)"

Can't wait :D (-1, Redundant)

Goalie_Ca (584234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537151)

I really love the new features in the kernel. I think it should be called 3.0 though.

I thought (1)

standsolid (619377) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537163)

I thougt it was agrreed to mane the new kernel 3.1. 3.1 is better, as everyone knows. As a user, I am disappointed the new kernel will have to wait that long, but who's goung to argue? (That's a nice tie, Linus. Yes Mr. T, I'll wait another 6 months)

Re:I thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537205)

Actually, 3.11 will be a lot better than 3.1.
What?
Oh, this isn't Windows?

Re:I thought (-1, Offtopic)

standsolid (619377) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537243)

And just imagine a Boewulf cluster with linux 3.11. Boy we'd get such a great FPS on quake3

Huh? (4, Interesting)

StarHeart (27290) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537165)

I have been hearing a feature freeze for early November. Can it really take 7-8 months to go from feature freeze to a final version? Or is Linus actually planning to make 2.6.0 what 2.X.18+ quality?

Re:Huh? (4, Interesting)

be-fan (61476) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537454)

Yeah, it takes a long time to get something release quality. 2.5.44 is already quite usable...if it compiles at all that is. It's that seemingly last little bit (getting all the old drivers updated to new interfaces, polishing up code, last minute bug fixes) that take a long time. Also, there are certain features (like Reiser4) that'll probably sneak in slightly after the feature freeze, because they don't really touch core code. From Kernel Traffic:

Elsewhere, someone said they'd love to test these heading-toward-stable kernels, but didn't want to risk trashing their filesystem. They asked how likely that would be, and Linus replied:

"Personal opinion (and only that): not much chance for a filesystem trashing. There's more chance of something just not _working_ than of disk corruption. Ie you may find that some driver you need doesn't compile because it hasn't been updated to the new world order yet, for example.
And people still report problems booting, for example, whatever the reason. So make sure you have a working choice in your lilo configuration or whatever. But from what we've seen lately, there really aren't reports of corrupted disks or anything like that that I've seen. Which is obviously not to say that it couldn't happen, but it's not a very likely occurrence.
That said, I can't set other peoples risk bars for them."

Wrestlemania 2.6 (5, Funny)

jarrettwold2002 (601633) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537167)

I don't know, if RMS keeps going on about Bitkeeper it very well may have to be settled with wrestling.
I would pay cash to see that. Both of them are perfectly suited for a celebrity deathmatch episode as well. While RMS ponders the definition of free, I can see Linus inviting the crowd to 'share' the 'open' beating of RMS. :)

Oh look at the pretty pictures! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537172)

cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0

Re:Oh look at the pretty pictures! (0)

Tribbin (565963) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537218)

It sais: bash: /dev/fb0: Permission Denied :-)

Re:Oh look at the pretty pictures! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537277)

chmod then.

minor vs. major (3, Interesting)

m0i (192134) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537176)

Btw, what would be the killer new stuff in the current devel kernel granting it a major version number upgrade to 3.0 instead of the regular minor to 2.6? They must have a good reason to do so, me thinks.

Re:minor vs. major (4, Interesting)

iabervon (1971) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537697)

There isn't a killer new feature this time. It's really the large number of major features since 2.X started. They didn't change all that much since 2.4, but there's very little that hasn't changed since 2.0, and it doesn't make sense to never change the major number just because you improve things at a steady rate.

Or you could say that the number of minor version increases exponentially with respect to the major number, and, since the major number changed after 1.2, it should clearly change after 2.(2^2).

Party Like It's. . .Linux? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537178)

during a talk on his Geek Cruise.

Imagine all the Geek Sex on that Geek Cruise!

Well. . .maybe not.

Docked in Jamaica. (5, Interesting)

Forge (2456) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537189)

The cruise docked in Jamaica and everybody had a ball.

We were told that just a few of the speakers would be presenting in Jamaica so 3 of us drove down to the pier to colect them.

Ha.

we neaded all 3 cars plus 2 busses to haul them to "the Ruins". We sat ESR and Linux on a panel with 4 other senior geaks and asked them some lame questions for an hour or so.

All the baby Linuses were there and Tove is realy cool. everybody seams to think the Coffee here is great (exact words: "The best I have ever tasted") so we will try to have a few bags ready for the next deligation.

PS: No the Geak Cruise dosn't normaly hold talks on land for the locals. However JaLUG asked nicely :).

Kevin Forge.
Jamaica Linux Users Group. JaLUG
Founding member.

It's "GNU/Linux 2.6" (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537235)

Get it right...

Re:It's "GNU/Linux 2.6" (5, Informative)

fok (449027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537262)

No.. this is just the kernel... and it is called linux

Re:It's "GNU/Linux 2.6" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537470)

When you can compile it with other compilers beyond GCC and can use other userland beyond GNU over it, so you can just call it "linux". Until there, bend over and accept that most of the credit linux (Linus in particular) has had is due to GNU software.

Re:It's "GNU/Linux 2.6" (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537593)

Meanwhile, you need to bend over and accept that Linux is a registered trademark owned by Linus Torvalds. Diluting that trademark (by saying things like "GNU/Linux," for example) is against the law. It doesn't matter how much GNU software Linus uses. He says to call it Linux, so you call it Linux, motherfucker.

If you don't like it, go download FreeBSD. That way you don't have to deal with Linus or RMS. It wins two ways!

I can wait til June 2003 (-1, Offtopic)

mrobinso (456353) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537236)

Maybe AMD will ship the XP2600+ by then.

When 2.4 was released, didn't Linus say... (5, Funny)

ScottBob (244972) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537249)

something to the effect of "Now you can hold your breath until 2.6 is released"?

Question for linux developers (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537274)

What is a ghost trailer? Does this have anything to do with the Exchange Killer. Most importantly, is this fixed in the 2.6 kernel...?

woohoo! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537279)

2.6k, right? so.. you mean 2600, right? Linux is used by hackers.. and now they named the kernel after their magazine. awesome!

Robert Love predicts January 2004 (4, Informative)

Xpilot (117961) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537312)

In this interview [kerneltrap.org] with Robert Love in July, he predicted 18 months before 2.6 gets released(that would make the release early in 2004).

I'm more inclined to go with Robert Love's estimate considering 2.4's late release.

Offtopic : Hey, my story submission got accepted! :) Now that's a first.

This just seems wrong... (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537362)

Ok, I can understand shoveling features into the kernel for fun, but I think that things are getting way beyond what is necessary for the real beach-head -- the desktop.

I think it is time for a fork. DTLinux and SVLinux. DT for the desktop, SV for servers. I mean really, does Oscar Office Worker really need to hot swap processors? Come ON!.

This is getting way out of hand, and resources that could be foucssed on the battle for the destkop (BFD (haha)) are being wasted on some sort of kernal probe thing that sounds painfull.

Seriously, don't you think this kernel feature thing needs to stop!.

-- ac ah home

Re:This just seems wrong... (2, Insightful)

DaCool42 (525559) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537483)

Well the whole point about the kernel is that you only compile in what you need. If you want a stripped down version, you can easily build it that way.

Re:This just seems wrong... (5, Interesting)

Hrunting (2191) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537519)

All right, I'll bite.

That's why you run through the configuration utility before you compile the kernel. You don't need to branch the kernel source to limit features in the kernel. You just don't select them when you compile the kernel. Voila. Your kernel does not have those features. Do you think when Oscar Office Worker got that copy of Windows 2000 Workstation and Mitch MIS Admin got that copy of Windows 2000 Server, they came from different source repositories? I doubt it.

With that said, the kernel source is getting gigantic, and it would be nice if they released source bundles geared towards those who might be compiling in more desktop-oriented features and those who might be compiling for a server.

Re:This just seems wrong... (1)

Vann_v2 (213760) | more than 11 years ago | (#4537724)

Since this is easily possible by just turning off (or on) certain options in the kernel configuration file, perhaps a better idea is to make some sort of "sock configurations." So you could do make dep-desktop, and it would use a different configuration file designed specifically for desktops. The same could be done for servers, or whatever else the kernel would be used for.

It certainly seems a bit more sane than actually forking the kernel.

I'm not or troll (well, maybe) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537412)

but you bet 2.6 will only be stable in 2004 (maybe 2005), when Linux will be completely replaced by BSD's (including OSX) and Windows XX (where XX is an acronym microsoft will use in 2004).
Also, expect Debian to use it as the default kernel in 2012.

Linus? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537440)

Does he actually take care of any real development? I thought he was only taking care of PR and concentrating the merits of several developers for his own use.
Oh, I forgot there are brownoses like rob who think Linus is the re-incarnation of God, who claims to be "the engineer", while "the philosopher" RMS has written at least one degree of magnitude more code than him...
Damn, I guess this whole "Open Source"/GPL stuff is getting more and more about egos. I guess I won't stay away from my OpenBSD box.

That feature list is just the late list (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4537649)

That list is just the list of features that are not yet merged and thus need an imminent decision before the feature freeze next Thursday. It's also not especially long or impressive, since these are minor features and a much greater number of patches of that kind are already in. Of the stuff on that list, probably only IPSEC and one of the LVM replacements (needed since LVM1 has been removed) will impact most users, though the crash dumps would also be nice.

The significant changes in 2.6 will be the new block layer and attendant performance/scalability improvements, the new NPTL thread support, ALSA, and the XFS and JFS merges. See Guillaume Boissiere's list [kernelnewbies.org] for more.

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