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It's a shame... (1)

Romothecus (553103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544366)

The best science fiction shows on television never seem to make it... I suppose I just have an odder taste than most.

Re:It's a shame... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544372)

Uh... let me get this straight.... the news is about the series being renewed for another season.... and you call this a shame because good shows never seem to make it??! This does not compute.

Re:It's a shame... (2, Insightful)

Romothecus (553103) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544381)

Sorry, I should have clarified, I was talking about Farscape. And then there was Space: Above and Beyond.

Re:It's a shame... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544390)

No, it does compute. Stargate SG-1 sucks ass. Farscape, however, was at least half-way decent.

Re:It's a shame... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544376)

true true true... how long til the site get /.? 5 10 min? why doesn't slashdot ever get /.

Re:It's a shame... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544412)

yeah, you like to lick ass.

Re:It's a shame... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544591)

True. Some of the best shows are now gone:
-Sliders
-Star Trek TNG and Voyager

To be honest I REALLY miss Sliders. The parallel universes thing has always been very intriguing to me and they did in a very intelligent and scientifically accurate way. The acting could have been better, but the guy who played Professor Arturo was excellent. The first season was really the best. It kind of went downhill with the departure of the Professor. (Thanks SciFi channel)

Star Trek TNG and Voyager were great. The only problem I had with Voyager was the actors. They could have done a better job casting.

The worst scifi series I've ever seen was Babylon 5. It was boring and had the worst effects I'd ever seen in a series.

Of course all of this is just opinion, and that's all it's likely to be from anyone else. I know some people think that SciFi is all about battle scenes. I, myself, find those boring and pointless. Time travel and parallel worlds is where it's at for a good story line. But again, this is just opinion...

Fuck (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544377)

Oh, of course, the watered-down, shitty show made for people with short attention spans who can't follow a continuous plot gets extended, while a show that was at least half-way decent and actually required you to pay attention to it gets cancelled.

I hate the fact that everything is watered down for mass consumption.

Re:Fuck (4, Insightful)

BigBir3d (454486) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544414)

for those of us that did not watch it from the get-go, it did not make much sense.

that is the best way to guarantee your show will have a short run: confuse the new viewers.

Re:Fuck (3, Insightful)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544515)

"that is the best way to guarantee your show will have a short run: confuse the new viewers."

Makes you wonder why the broadcast industry's so anti-Tivo, doesn't it?

Re:Fuck (2)

Psx29 (538840) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544596)

that is the best way to guarantee your show will have a short run: confuse the new viewers.

Not just new viewers...I hate it when there is a series I like and then I miss one episode and it just seems as though I missed so much I can never get back into it.

Welcome to North America (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544443)

Look at it this way: do you think that a phenomenon like Doctor Who (which ran for about 30 YEARS) would ever happen in North America? Only the Beeb would think of doing that (and THEY had to stand up to Mary Whitehouse and her censorshit brigade).

No, here in the land of Hollywierded entertainment, if it isn't a smash success within it's first week it gets canned. If it is too 'cerebral' (meaning the viewer has to remember what happened the week before) it gets dumbed down. That doesn't quite explain how the X-Files survived, but in general it's a good rule of thumb.

The best TV sci-fi doesn't happen in north america. American execs don't have the balls to tell a good story.

fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544383)

http://www.nitroteam.ptisp.net/chupamos/viewtopic. php?t=5

Re:fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544462)

what's that thing between that guy's legs where the penis should be?

i'm confused.

Too bad... (2, Flamebait)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544384)

Since the show sucks now that they killed off Daniel. Oh well, it was good until then. I'm guessing this will probably be it's last season.

Re:Too bad... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544426)

hes coming back in the season premier.

Re:Too bad... (0, Offtopic)

TheRealFixer (552803) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544653)

Flamebait? Who's the idiot who modded this? Unfortunatly, I don't have mod points today. Anyway, I agree. The show isn't the same without Daniel. This probably will be it's last season. 7 seasons isn't a bad run for a cult-followed sci-fi show!

Enterprise politically correct? (4, Informative)

kir (583) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544389)

Really? I've just started watching them and feel it's no where near as PC as TNG or Voyager. I guess if you compare it to something like Firefly... OK.

Just how bad is Andromeda?!?! Or is just me who thinks it's shite?

Re:Enterprise politically correct? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544413)

I forgot my username so oh well. I happen to think Andromeda is a pretty good show. Dont know what everyone else thinks but oh well. I love everything about it except that I am unsure of what happened to Trance and that somehow Rommie got blue hair (I approve greatly though). Can anyone tell me because I missed A TON of episodes.

andromeda sucks goatse.cx (3, Informative)

Karma Sucks (127136) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544465)

Andromeda is total shite. It has become Hercules in Space and any depth to the show was destroyed when they fired Wolfe.

The reason Wolfe was fired was because Sorbo (Hercules) thought that he was too smart and that the Andromeda should be made more episodic and less about science-fiction and story arcs. Now it's about Dylan Hunt, Hercules of space.

The cool characters like Rev Bem, Tyr, Trance, etc have been discarded or destroyed in favour of Sorbo.

Re:Enterprise politically correct? (0, Troll)

Platinum Dragon (34829) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544557)

I managed to sit through the first season of Enterprise, hoping B+B would get away from the mistakes that made Voyager troublesome.

As of Shockwave Part II, I can see they haven't learned a damn thing. Of all the things they should have learned, why oh why do they still resort to the reset button? It will practically take an episode full of treknobabble and a big honking deus ex machina to salvage anything interesting out of the "temporal cold war" storyline, now that it seems to have been completely wiped out with no good resolution. At this point, it would be better if the whole thing were simply forgotten, but I'm willing to bet B+B will rely on some poorly-written badly-conceived treknobabble device to get that storyline started again, much as a poorly-written badly-conceived treknobabble device was used to reset-button Archer back into the 22nd Century and make everything happy ever after.

Let me know if the show gets watchable, ok?

Re:Enterprise politically correct? (3, Insightful)

TheWanderingHermit (513872) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544666)

Just how bad is Andromeda?!?!

All I needed to hear was the credits for the new season ("The universe is a dangerous place."). That said it all. It's going to be BAD. Then there was the line from Dylan about Tyr not hurting their friendship -- as if that were Tyr's first concern, instead of survival. Then there was the nuthouse episode, which I could not believe -- I was so bored, I was about to shut it off. The only reason I watched the last episode was to see John DeLancie. Now it's no more Andromeda for me. It's just gotten too sappy -- all the things that made it different from all the other shows are gone -- Tyr is becoming a nice guy, and the edge is even being taken off Sid (John DeLancie's character) and, with 50 worlds, the Alliance now acts like Star Fleet on idiot pills.

That's how bad Andromeda is!

farscape still cancelled (5, Interesting)

banky (9941) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544391)

Farscape is still cancelled, but some people [watchfarscape.com] are trying to save it, and the jury is still out. It's a dead man (show) walkin' but it's not over till the switch is thrown.

Re:farscape still cancelled (3, Funny)

EverDense (575518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544581)

I click on the watchfarscape.com link. The page loaded, including a picture of Aeryn Sun (Claudia Black).
For a split second (before I looked at her face, and realised who she was) I thought I'd been re-directed to a soft porn site.
...and thats the real tragedy of the show being cancelled.

Re:farscape still cancelled (2)

Neon Spiral Injector (21234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544646)

I clicked the link to see what you were talking about, but just got Ben Browder (John Crichton). I was like, "huh?". Then I refreshed and got Claudia. Cool, the page has different people on it each time you load.

Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 55 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544392)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Re:Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 55 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544433)

Aw man. Pathetic. You could at least try and mix it up a bit like other trolls have done. What a waste. King must be turning in his grave!!

Aah.. MacGyver.. (5, Funny)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544395)

I havent sat down and watched an episode of SG-1 yet. Seeing MacGyver without his mullet just un-nerves me.

Re:Aah.. MacGyver.. (2, Informative)

Xenographic (557057) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544637)

Worse, where's the DUCT TAPE? How's he supposed to fix/invent things without his roll??? :]

Heck and they even make McGuyver-inspired flat-rolls of it you can stick in your pocket now--they're quite useful, too!

Do people actually watch these shows? (-1, Flamebait)

glrotate (300695) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544401)

Even the best of these pulp sci-fi series equate to mediocre sci-fi novels and short stories.

I think I watched SG once, saw McGuyver and come big black guy with eyeliner, and realized that braincells are a terrible thing to waste.

PATHETIC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544402)

North Korea is making nukes, Iraq is producing biological weapons by the carload, and all you people can talk about is "Stargate SG-1 Gets A Seventh Season"???

Dig yourself out of your parents basement, shut off your linux b0x, and GO OUTSIDE!!!!

Noooo!!! (5, Funny)

molrak (541582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544405)

That means we'll probably have to wait yet another year for the MacGyver Reunion Special, or the Richard Dean Anderson E! True Hollywood Story. Oh well, I guess there's always of catching him on the old reruns of General Hospital on Soap Network.

Question about SG TV series (4, Interesting)

CathedralRulz (566696) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544409)

Hi,
I have never watched this show but am curious how it compares to the Star Trek and Babylon 5 series in that does it have a story arc and continuity between each episode? I think the show started on the Showtime network, didn't it? How did it become syndicated?
Thanks.

Re:Question about SG TV series (2, Informative)

xQx (5744) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544512)

yes there's a story arc.
in fact, it's almost as much of a story arc as babylon 5, except that they are making up as they go along.

It's alot like star trek, with a little more action, just as much moral debate, and probably just as much drama.

Re:Question about SG TV series (5, Informative)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544550)

its based on the movie and theres a lot of continuity between the episodes and its mostly based on hard science, for things they cant explain they make up simple solutions without a lot of technobabble, just about every episode the team visits a new planet, and every planet is pretty much like some period in the earths history, sorry if that sounds cynical, i really do like the show, anyways... it was originally on showtime, i dunno for how long but showtime dropped it and sci-fi picked it up, its syndicated, i dont know much about that, but watching it on saturday afternoons before we got cable got me hooked

Re:Question about SG TV series (5, Informative)

jpt.d (444929) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544571)

I would say that it isn't as well planned as Babylon 5 (not that there really could be that much planning in another series [with exception of Jeremiah]) but the things get done. For example B5 didn't deal with so many things that were close to home, Shadow War, Earth War, Centari-Narn war, etc. SG-1 is faced with more direct threats to their survival. First season was being shut down (base being shutdown), then the attack of earth by Aphophis, then the Tok'ra taking over Carter (main character). All this in a three episode span. Eventually it is the replicators, system-lords, a planted asteroid, big bombs that can go through walls, the thing that can destory the stargate, etc. Need I say more? I wouldn't really compare it to star trek though.

Tonight's schedule (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544418)

Rome vs. the Barbarian hordes.

Farscape degenerated into introspective whining (4, Insightful)

pcx (72024) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544420)

Farscape was super cool for a season or two when they really did romp around the universe and see what was out there.

Unfortunately near the end it degenerated into self-introspection and self-pitty that was made two billion times more annoying for criton's (sp) whining, indignant yelling.

If they could fire the writers and get people who had imagination and drive to explore the incredibly vast universe then sure, bringing farscape back would be a great thing. But as it stands now, it's a mercy killing, putting it down before it becomes a parody of itself and another star trek universe where they're more interested in psycoanalyzing everything than exploring.

Vampires! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544421)

Forget about SG-1, check out this [ravenblack.net].

Re:Vampires! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544460)

Hell no. Almost did, but anything at ravenblack involving vampires is sure to cost me my soul.

SPOILER WARNING (2, Funny)

CySurflex (564206) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544424)

Rumors have it that in the 1st episode of Stargate next season, MacGyver builds a new stargate out of three tablets of XTC and a paper clip, and Kurt Russel (from the original StarGate movie) comes back as Tango and gives MacGyver some Cash.

Good! (5, Interesting)

shadowj (534439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544427)

I've been a fan of the show since I stumbled upon it two years ago. OK, the premise is a little hokey... but the writing is SO good. The dialog sparkles, they avoid techobabble and use real science more often than I'd expect ("Y'see, Carter" [waving at ringed gas giant looming on the horizon], "this planet that we're on..." "Excuse me, sir, this is actually a moon, not a planet.")

Best of all, the show has a memory... every episode takes into account EVERYTHING that has happened in previous episodes, something that happens in real life but rarely happens on TV. Looks like the Enterprise people are starting to understand that... pity they haven't figured out how to write interesting stories, though.

I had my doubts about Michael Shanks leaving, but the show doesn't seem to have suffered. I'm very, very pleased that it's continuing... but I hope that the producers will have the good sense to pull the plug when they start to run out of steam.

Re:Good! (5, Funny)

muzzmac (554127) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544532)

The avoid techobabble by having jack O'Niell tell scientists to shut up.

It's sooo good.

Re:Good! (2, Insightful)

hidden (135234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544604)

I'll agree that the show is good, the writing is good, etc. but... they actually arn't that good with continuity... Overall storywise they are, but...

For the first couple of seasons they did all the things you would expect, sending probes through the gate first and stuff... Now they just seem to go wandering through with no idea what's on the other side...

Or, for the first season (more or less) They pretty much got thrown and came rolling out the gate.. Now "everything exits at the velocity it enters" (And yes I know they babbled an excuse for that last season)

Re:Good! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544668)

Agreed, Andromeda was pretty good, but this has become my new favorite, even if it may only be getting a McGuyver fix again, after all this time :) (Even if he doesn't quite act like McGuyver--where's the duct tape, after all???)

With Macgyver Onboard... (2, Funny)

cdrj (556227) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544428)

Just wait long enough; eventually we will begin to see photon guns made out of chewing gum and rubber bands....

Thank god... (1)

kakos (610660) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544436)

Besides perhaps Firefly, SG-1 is the best sci-fi show on TV. ALthough I certainly hope they bring Daniel back somehow after they killed him.

Re:Thank god... (0)

boy_afraid (234774) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544497)

At least someone here agress with me, Stargate SG1 is a GREAT show! It is like Robotech, it is VERY deep with a lot of history behind each character.

Help Save Firefly!!! (1, Offtopic)

cybrpnk2 (579066) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544440)

Firefly in my book is the sleeper hit of the season by the creator of Buffy, and it has only gotten better with each of its first five episodes. Unfortunately, ratings continue to dwindle. Nielsons for first 4 eps have been in order: 4.0, 3.6, 3.3 and 2.7 for the "Jaynestown" ep after a two-week gap. Folks, this is bad. USA Today ran an article on droopy shows on Wed Oct 23 which had a Firefly photo and wrote it up pretty good; also Robert Bianco who writes up the USA TV stuff has given Firefly two recommendations this week, one in an article about which shows to watch at what time during the week and also on last Fri's "Best Picks" box over the TV schedule. If this press didn't help "Out of Gas" when the ratings come out next Wed, then that title may be prophetic....(sniff). This show is TOO GOOD to let this happen!!! Watch it!!! Spread the word about it!!!

Good writing, horrible setting (2)

Synn (6288) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544486)

I think the writing in Firefly is really good, but the setting is crap. They put too many western elements in it. I guess they were going for an origional setting, something to set it apart from the other sci-fi shows.

But I grimace every time I see someone pull out an ancient six shooter. Funny thing though is that they do some things really right. I love how in space there is no sound.

Re:Good writing, horrible setting (4, Funny)

NoMoreNicksLeft (516230) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544617)

Their starship looks like a giant wrinkled turd.

Their engine is only 3ft DIA, 10ft long. It rotates. And this will push them faster than light? Should they fill the tank with regular or premium, and how fast can they do 0-60MPH ?

Their life support dies when the engine is off. Yet they don't start floating around because of lack of artificial gravity?

Enough with the technical nitpicks though. Let's talk about story development and plots that are so vapid, with none of the epic overtones that make other scifi shows interesting. Let's talk about characters that are assembled together according to occupation in some Canterbury-Talesque clone that is lacking any nuance, subtley or homage to that classic. Characters that never have any real decision to make, because things are so cut and dried, that even a retard could make them and never choose poorly. Except when the ship is "dead in the water" and the captain has to send everyone away even though they'll die, just so he is in danger with no help, when we get to the "suspenseful" part. And then said shipmates mysteriously return, for the hell of it, so that his lifeblood doesn't leak out much like my soul does when I commit the insanely stupid crime of attempting to watch it.

Now look what you've made me doing, I'm crying like a child in horrid memory of a show best left unwatched. They should seal up that studio with concrete and lead, like they do with nuclear reactors in meltdown. With the actors and director still inside.

Yes, they really do some things right.

Re:Help Save Firefly!!! (1)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544502)

And this is proof that Firefly will be cancelled. Most shows that are critically acclaimed seem to get cancelled (The Tick, Profit...)

Re:Help Save Firefly!!! (1, Flamebait)

nebenfun (530284) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544513)

er....
if Firefly is the sleeper hit that you predict, there won't be any problems in ratings...

however if by "sleeper hit", you mean "cancelled after one season, generic sci-fi piece of crap" then you might be on to something...

nbfn

Re:Help Save Firefly!!! (1)

feydakin (161035) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544530)

Thr problem is that the wrong people have Nielson boxes.. My grandfather had one.. Yet he rarely watched TV, and when he did it was local news..

How are people like us suposed to affect ratings?? The PTB certainly don't think much of Email campaigns..What's left other than highjaking some Nielson boxes??

Re:Help Save Firefly!!! (2, Interesting)

Dionysus (12737) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544598)

If you have a Tivo, turn on the statistics collection, and hope Tivo people publish the data.

Re:Help Save Firefly!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544623)

This show is TOO GOOD to let this happen!!! Watch it!!! Spread the word about it!!!

This show is complete crap. I've only seen one episode, it was a rather recent one, where there was a statue built for the GAY NAMED JAYNE.

The only thing sci-fi about the entire episode was the idea that it wasn't on Earth, and that there was a clamp on the spaceship that kept it from taking off (for about 5 seconds). This show sucks.

Fuck SCI-FI (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544441)

I can't stand SCIFI anymore. What a crap filled station

enterprise PC (2, Funny)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544444)

Enterprise is so politically correct I can barely bring myself to watch it

Yeah if you want a good idea of how overly PC that show is, this season of enterprise had the first mention of actually GOING TO THE BATHROOM (on the minefield episode) ever on star trek.

Re:enterprise PC (1)

bdesham (533897) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544540)

That's nothing... Archer (the Captain) actually said the word "breast"! And that after having a (wet?) dream about his science officer [maximonline.com]. Y'know, after watching the episode where we see Hoshi topless (well, not really) again, it seems to me that maybe the creators are trying to break away from the PC image. Which is good; the number of potentially good shows goes up as the amount of "allowed content" increases.

Re:enterprise PC (0, Troll)

Skater (41976) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544597)

And I'm not clear on how racy pictures of Jolene Blalock demonstrate that Enterprise is PC.

My feminist friends would be appalled... definitely not PC.

Re:enterprise PC (5, Funny)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544645)

And I'm not clear on how racy pictures of Jolene Blalock demonstrate that Enterprise is PC.

Perhaps he's referring to the fact that Braga and Berman had the guts to cast a member of the woefully underpresented and discriminated-against minority of really-good-looking-women-wearing-hot-outfits on their show?

GMD

Re:enterprise PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544625)

I think the worst bit of PC is where they decided that it was the 'evolutionary fate' of that species on that planet die out because they *might* dominate the other species too much.

Yeah. Whatever. *ahem* They don't even have the Prime Directive yet & they're already using it to back stupid decisions. At least in TNG Picard was thoughtful enough to realize that it needed to be suspended on occasion...

looks like sci-fi is not picking up farscape (1)

paulydavis (91113) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544454)

according to this websight http://www.farscapeworld.com/helpfarscape.shtml

Nerd Shit (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544495)


Fucking nerds

You whack off to shit like:

Startrek
Star Wars
Robotech
Legend of the Rings

You are all faggots with pimples, glasses, and fat asses.

Fuck yourself

Re:Nerd Shit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544636)

Um, what the hell are you doing here then!?

I just hope... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544499)

someone picks up Farscape although stores like this [yahoo.com] make me lose hope.

Just because they cancelled Farscape... (5, Insightful)

UpLateDrinkingCoffee (605179) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544504)

Just because they cancelled Farscape does not make Stargate SG-1 a bad show. I think they are both great, and Richard Dean Andersen is *much* better in this role than he was in MacGyver... I mean, when the bad guys are chasing you never, I repeat, never toss away a perfectly good gun.

I think SG-1 has more of a "formula" than Farscape... and as another poster mentioned it is great how true to past episodes they are. They never break the "SG-1 Reality".

Farscape on the other hand is much more on the edge. The first couple seasons were pure genius but honestly this season felt more like the writers were making things up as they went. The best series have some kind of continuity. Anyone have any idea what changed?

Stargate Cartoon (2)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544507)

Anyone else head about this? Apparantly theres some new saturday morning cartoon called Stargate [imdb.com] Infinity [epguides.com], i just got the first ep off kazza, but i havn't been bored enough to watch it cuz the quality is shite. Speaking of shitty quality anyone else seen the pilot for firefly? Why didn't they air that!?!??

Re:Stargate Cartoon (2)

crow (16139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544552)

The cartoon is horrible.

In the cartoon, all the SG people wear weird X-Men-ish outfits. The characters are extremely shallow and rather juvinile. The writing is poor. Every episode has some hit-you-over-the-head moral. (Does that make it count towards some FCC-mandated children's programming with morals quota?)

Re:Stargate Cartoon (2)

jpt.d (444929) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544588)

Lets say it together "Saturday Morning CARTOON" other than a lot of kids not getting the better writing so easily, most of them do. Writers just don't get it....

Re:Stargate Cartoon (1)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544589)

The characters are extremely shallow and rather juvinile. The writing is poor.
well, it is a saturday morning kids show, we cant expect too much

Re:Stargate Cartoon (2)

coyote-san (38515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544665)

The technical quality of the show is actually better than most Saturday morning cartoons now. But this show is done in a somewhat realistic style (well, excluding the obligatory 3% body fat on all characters) while most cartoons are now drawn in an extremely flat style.

As for the show itself, I've seen one episode. It was a bit weird - it's clearly targeted at young children. That reduces the bad guys to monsters, and strips the complexity from the characters and plot. When I learned of the premise (it's 2040, an SG team leader has been impersonated by aliens attacking the base and he must clear his name) I expected the show to be targeted at tweeners with a slightly more ambiguous message. (Basically variations on "don't judge people on their first impression.")

Farscape rocks (5, Insightful)

MacAndrew (463832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544514)

Farscape is/was uneven from episode to episode, but the good ones were amazing. Soooo many TV shows are just plain mediocre, with nary a flash of brilliance. Also, Farscape was the first strong break with the threadbare Star Trek straitjacket to make it on the air. I loved the substitution of largely organic technology for electrical, and was rather fond of Moia (in a platonic way). Aeryn's cool, too. Trek never really pulled it off I think with strong female characters, so rare in scifi.

I'm surprised to hear of the cancellation, but true it is -- see the horse's mouth. [farscape.com] However, I doubt it's dead. Farscape has the backing of the brand-name Jim Henson Company, a great premise (IMHO), and a solid library of four years that breaks the magic 88-episode threshold needed for successful post-series syndication.

I bet they'll go to syndication, as all the modern Treks have done, and maybe even score a better channel than SciFi, which can have John Edward for all I care (gag). Keep an eye on UPN. The Farscape season was not set to start until February, being from Australia and all, so there's time.

Enterprise is in its childhood. TNG was VILE for its first three seasons and would have rightfully died if not for the intervention of the Borg and a stunning season-end cliffhanger ("Best of Both Worlds"). I think it will show some decent character development, and I appreciate that they've deprived themselves of 3/4 of the technology that yielded too many pat technobabble solutions on shows like Voyager. Scott Bakula annoys me, but I guess I can get used to him ... I just keep expecting him to "leap," you know?

Yes, I watch too much TV, but mostly science fiction.

Scifi Shows (5, Funny)

moniker (9961) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544520)

Andromeda
First season was cool and funny... but as soon as they changed the title theme from cool riffs done by the guy from Rush to the "Hercules in Space" orchestral wailings... everything else seemed to begin to suck as well. My understanding was that some of the good creative talent was kicked out. Can't watch it anymore.

Enterprise
The captain strikes me as whiny... I prayed for the dog to die in one of the more recent episodes. But a lot of the episodes have a cool spooky atmosphere.

Odyssey 5
The science sucks... but the dialog is great. "Praise Jesus... and fuck you."

Firefly
Great funny dialog... poor science... (Still using gunpowder, but somehow they have excellent gravity generators and inertial dampeners) ... except... I do like how every explosion in space is not accompanied by these nifty sound effects that noone should hear. I also like how the captain has no objection to just outright killing defenseless bad guys.

Farscape
I loved the show... but it seemed to go down hill in the fourth. The end of the second season was fantastic. I liked how they never tried to explain the science... and especially how the aliens looked more like the guys in the mos eisley cantina that stupid trek aliens with head and nose ridges.

Re:Scifi Shows (4, Funny)

bdesham (533897) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544554)

Enterprise
The captain strikes me as whiny... I prayed for the dog to die in one of the more recent episodes.
You're kidding, right? You want to kill the hands-down best character on the show?

The dog? (5, Funny)

GuyMannDude (574364) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544629)

The captain strikes me as whiny... I prayed for the dog to die in one of the more recent episodes. But a lot of the episodes have a cool spooky atmosphere.

Let me get this straight: that episode featured a main plot of the dog getting sick and a subplot of Capt. Archer fantasizing about his super sexy vulcan science officer and you wasted your prayers on the fuckin' dog?!?

Man, I was on my hands and knees praying that T'Pol was going to help our dashing captain get "Long And Prosper"!

GMD

Re:Scifi Shows (5, Insightful)

Jerf (17166) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544638)

(Still using gunpowder, but somehow they have excellent gravity generators and inertial dampeners)

This is one of the many ways Star Trek has simply ruined people's understanding of science. The fact of the matter is that given the place where Firefly takes place, using guns makes perfect sense.

Guns are cheap, they have around 1500 years of experience making and caring for them, cheap, they are easy to use, easy to make very durable, and did I mention cheap?

As I have written for a probably never-to-be-published game's guide,

One of the nice things about old technology is that it is easy to maintain. Sure, in a firefight, you might prefer a laser-guided smart rail-gun, but it's a bitch to find parts for it when it breaks. A shotgun, on the other hand, still kills people dead, and it's a lot easier to come by both parts and ammunition....


There's a certain *elegence* in the inelegence of a good firearm. Lasers can be reflected, guidance systems can be scrambled, electronics of all kinds can be confused or outright destroyed, particle beams can be deflected, but a bullet can only be stopped, generally not without doing damage to the thing stopping it. (I'd recommend against using your own flesh to do the job.) Very few things, even in 2088 [time setting of this game], can stand up to a concentrated barrage of firepower.

Simple is beautiful.


Firearms have an excellent bang-for-the-buck, pun fully intended, and are likely to continue to have it for a long time to come. The only real mystery is why Serenity doesn't have at least one hull-mounted machine gun.

Maxim (3, Insightful)

Sivar (316343) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544528)

What does the Maxim link have to do with anything? Some cheesy pun on the word "barely"? :)

Re:Maxim (1)

Unknown Relic (544714) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544556)

The girl featured on that specific page of the Maxim site plays T'Pol on Enterprise. I believe the poster was alluding to the idea that she is the only thing which makes the show worth watching.

Re:Maxim (2)

ProfessorPuke (318074) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544559)

Evidently he thinks Enterprise's only redeeming quality is the opportunity to watch that actress strip down in the decontamination chamber every week.

Re:Maxim (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544595)

Good enough reason for me. God damn.

Dammit! (2)

isorox (205688) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544545)

I've already spent £500 of SG1 dvd's - and with another season to buy?!? /me goes off to celebrate

Wooo hooo!!! (1)

greenskyx (609089) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544562)

Since I don't have cable, this is the best show on TV other than re-runs of the nanny! ;-) No really... I do like SG1 even though it is a little silly at times. I really think their super acurate P90's rule..........

grumble grumble grumble - shut up lucky bastards (2, Insightful)

tqft (619476) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544587)

The other commenters obviously live in a country with a half decent

In Australia - not only is cable TV way overpriced (and broadband charges seriously suck even before you put in installation and new modem cost), we simply do not get decent sci-fi.

How many seasons of Farscape have been made? Most of the episodes were shown I think but some episodes were missed (dropped for sport) and never reappeared. And it was made less 100km from where I am sitting.

Voyager is still in season 6!!

Cable TV is seriously screwed. But the gov and regulators look about to stuff up the commercial fix being proposed.

What about Space-Above and Beyond (simple storyline but done semi-well even if a bit corny)?

Not only do the programmers (TV schedules - not the nice people who write code) - have seriously lousy taste, they do not seem to manage to get it - put the show on same time each week.

Thankfully we have 3 hr video tapes - show can start anywhere between 30min and an hour late, then run for 1hr10min with the ads. Also 11pm Tuesday or Thursday is not what I would call an audience friendly time.

Re:grumble grumble grumble - shut up lucky bastard (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544633)

Space Above and Beyond was a fresh break from star trek when it came out. Yeah, it was pretty corney, but the plots themselfs were still intresting enough. A lot of the shows make humans the peacefull tree huggers of the galaxy. It was nice to see humans as a whole whopping some ass for a change.

Enterprise sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4544603)

Intensely so, if I may add. The stories tend to be silly, captain Archer's dog is annoying, the captain himself is a nitwit, and the science component is minimal. Oh, and the title song is ridiculously out of place.

I hope this show will die a well-deserved death soon.

Movie? Spinoff? (2, Interesting)

Flamesplash (469287) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544607)

This, they hope, will segue directly into filimg a 'feature'. Smith said this a couple of times, but he emphasised the feature is not yet 100% certain. After that, the spinoff.

I really think loosing Shanks was a horrible blow to the show and the story, but you have to admit they have been doing well with the direction things are going.

I wonder though how well they can do a movie. Very very few TV->Movie moves have gone well if not simply OK, I would hate to see them fall into this pit. I'm starting to wonder if it's possible to do the TV->Movie transition.

As for the spinoff I don't think it will go anywhere. I watch SG-1 but I don't think I would watch it if not for the current cast. Guess I'll see...

SG-1 is quite good (2, Interesting)

lrdnkn (598755) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544618)

I have been watching this show almost religiously since its very first season and own both the first and second season DVD boxsets. I was quite concerned when they killed off Daniel Jackson, but I must admit that the new character Jonas has done pretty well to fill the void that Daniel left. The series is incredibly good at following its own reality. There have been numerous episodes that were tie-ins to previous ones (I'm not sure but I think some of these have been across season boundaries). I watched over the summer when SG-1 switched from Showtime to Sci-Fi. By all means if you have the time, watch (or record) the new season of Stargate:SG-1. I venture to bet that most Sci-Fi fans wont be sorry. Now there are occasional filler episodes that you may or may not like (take, for example, the hilarious "The Other Guys" episode this summer). I look forward to seeing the new season (and to getting more DVD boxsets :-)

If you like Sci-Fi, check it out.

Stargate is great show but... (0)

Goalie_Ca (584234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4544632)

They are starting to loose me a little. The show started off in one direction that was great. The asgard were a cool edition but once they developed these ideas I started to loose interrest. I mean the mystique and wonder of all these invincible people starts to dissappear. I mean the asgard can't even get jiggy to save their race.
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