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Logitech Bluetooth Cordless Presenter Review

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the doubles-as-a-beard-trimmer dept.

Hardware 121

securitas writes "Many Bluetooth devices have (deservedly) received dismal reviews and we were prepared for the phaser-like Bluetooth Logitech Cordless Presenter to be another toy headed for the trash-heap of history. Instead we were surprised (some might say stunned :) ) at how well it performed. The Presenter combines a laser pointer, an electronic presentation remote control and a wireless optical mouse in one elegantly designed package."

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121 comments

Yes, but did you know? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581126)

I like Microsoft.

The software store was selling them for 5 a piece. I thought that odd since they were normally a couple thousand each. I decided not to look a gift horse in the mouth. I bought 200. I like Microsoft.

I took my 200 Microsoft home. I have a big car. I let one drive. His name was Sigmund. He was retarded. In fact, none of them were really bright. They kept punching themselves in their genitals. I laughed. Then they punched my genitals. I stopped laughing.

I herded them into my room. They didn't adapt very well to their new environment. They would screech, hurl themselves off of the couch at high speeds and slam into the wall. Although humorous at first, the spectacle lost its novelty halfway into its third hour.

Two hours later I found out why all the Microsoft were so inexpensive: they all died. No apparent reason. They all just sorta' dropped dead. Kinda' like when you buy a goldfish and it dies five hours later. Damn cheap Microsoft.

I didn't know what to do. There were 200 dead Microsoft lying all over my room, on the bed, in the dresser, hanging from my bookcase. It looked like I had 200 throw rugs.

I tried to flush one down the toilet. It didn't work. It got stuck. Then I had one dead, wet Microsoft and 199 dead, dry Microsoft.

I tried pretending that they were just stuffed animals. That worked for a while, that is until they began to decompose. It started to smell real bad.

I had to pee but there was a dead Microsoft in the toilet and I didn't want to call the plumber. I was embarrassed.

I tried to slow down the decomposition by freezing them. Unfortunately there was only enough room for two Microsoft at a time so I had to change them every 30 seconds. I also had to eat all the food in the freezer so it didn't all go bad.

I tried burning them. Little did I know my bed was flammable. I had to extinguish the fire.

Then I had one dead, wet Microsoft in my toilet, two dead, frozen Microsoft in my freezer, and 197 dead, charred Microsoft in a pile on my bed. The odor wasn't improving.

I became agitated at my inability to dispose of my Microsoft and to use the bathroom. I severely beat one of my Microsoft. I felt better.

I tried throwing them way but the garbage man said that the city wasn't allowed to dispose of charred software. I told him that I had a wet one. He couldn't take that one either. I didn't bother asking about the frozen ones.

I finally arrived at a solution. I gave them out as Christmas gifts. My friends didn't know quite what to say. They pretended that they like them but I could tell they were lying. Ingrates. So I punched them in the genitals.

I like Microsoft

Naughty Taco (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581129)

Cmdr. Taco gathered me as though I was a child and placed me on his lap. "Shhh," Cmdr. Taco whispered in my ear. His warm breath caused my skin to gooseflesh while Cmdr. Taco slowly rocked me. When my tears were finished, Cmdr. Taco asked, "All better, little one?" I nodded feeling emotionally spent. His lips nuzzled the hollow where his breath had teased. Lightly nipping and licking Cmdr. Taco whispered, "Shall we continue?" Without waiting for me to answer, Cmdr. Taco stood me up holding my forearms when I stumbled shakily. "Take off all of your clothes," Cmdr. Taco slowly inspected me from my swollen lips to torn blouse to thigh highs peeking from under my skirt. "You may leave the stockings on. They remind me of the whore that hid inside you before I made you my own--my sweet, little whore, all mine. So alone out here, with no one to worry about you being gone." Cmdr. Taco nodded his approval when I had the last of my clothes off. I blushed as his eyes touched over every curve and valley of my exposed body. I moved to cover myself, but Cmdr. Taco stopped me. "No! It is mine to look at, mine to use." His fingers ran lightly over my skin. Brushing the underside of my breasts first, then Cmdr. Taco cupped both in his hands. The pads of his thumbs circled my nipples until they hardened even more. A smile curved his lips, finally his right hand lowered and cupped my sex. His middle finger slid easily within my silken folds. "I think someone is enjoying our little game." His finger probed deeper. "Tell me how much you like it."

My tongue felt thick and useless. I could barely breath--thinking was beyond question. I rocked my hips up and back straddling his hand wantonly. I felt my juices seeping running down between his fingers and onto my quivering legs. I opened my mouth and tried to speak but no sound would come forth. My jaw moved woodenly. I nodded my head from side to side trying to explain.

"You dare to disobey me?" Cmdr. Taco asked in disbelief. Cmdr. Taco piled my clothes in my hands.

I was afraid that Cmdr. Taco would send me away for disappointing him. I pleaded with him with my eyes. I finally worked until, "Please" came out.

"Please, what whore?" Cmdr. Taco asked.

"Please, don't make me go." I whispered looking down unable to meet his eyes.

He looked startled for a moment and then laughed. "Let you go? Letting you leave here was the last thing on my mind. I wonder if you would beg to stay knowing what I plan on doing with you--to you?" His voice turned harsh. "Throw your clothes in the fire." I started to question then did as Cmdr. Taco asked. I watched as my clothes kindled and disappeared into ashes. "Do you realize what you have done?" Cmdr. Taco asked. I shook my head no. "The only way you can leave now is as you are." Cmdr. Taco looked up and down my naked body. "I think the town would be shocked to see you walk through town in the buff. Don't you agree? Our perfect little girl naked and wandering the streets, maybe I'll make you do that later. What would they think? Would they see you then as I do? A needy whore begging to be taken--to be possessed fully and completely. Reach down and tell me what you feel." Cmdr. Taco commanded.

I reached down quickly to obey. I needed to fill the need throbbing between my thighs. My palm slid through my sticky tight curls as my fingers brushed my clit than slid into my wetness. Riding the sensations, I watched his face. This man I didn't know, yet the man who knew everything about me.

"What do you feel?" Cmdr. Taco prompted me as though I was a child.

My hips moved of their own volition as I crammed my fingers in and out of my wetness. "I feel wet." I answered.

"What feels wet, my sweet?" Cmdr. Taco questioned.

"My pussy." I answered.

"All of it," Cmdr. Taco said watching my fingers disappear then reappear.

"My pussy feels so wet." I moaned.

"Why is your pussy so wet?" Cmdr. Taco asked pulling me towards him and pulling my fingers from my cunt.

I struggled for an answer. "I'm wet, because I like this."

He brought my fingers to his mouth and slowly sucked them one by one into his mouth thoroughly cleaning each one. His mouth opened and sucked the puddle of wetness in my palm. Cmdr. Taco reached up and pulled me towards him by my nipples. "Here now I taste like you. Taste yourself." My tongue met his, and Cmdr. Taco moved my fingers between our mouths. Our tongues traced my fingers and met in their seams licking each other. The changing textures, the smell of my pussy between us caused me to gush more. Cmdr. Taco moved my feet apart with his foot. Somehow seeing his shoes still on and taking in his fully clothed body made me feel even more naked. Cmdr. Taco ran his hands along the inside of my thighs, and I shivered my pleasure at his touch. I wanted him inside. I wanted him to touch my core. I needed to explode to release the pleasure Cmdr. Taco was building within me. His hands quickly became coated with my stickiness. Cmdr. Taco moved his hands over me, but never where I craved it most. "What makes you this wet?" Cmdr. Taco asked again.

"You do." I answered.

"Do you think flattery will get me to touch your clit, little one?" Cmdr. Taco chuckled.

"Please," I begged.

"Mmmmm, I do have a soft spot for begging, and you begged so prettily earlier." Cmdr. Taco pondered as if considering my request. My hips pressed forward seeking his touch. I had never been this wet before. I was steadily dripping now. My nipples ached; my pussy literally throbbed with need. "You, young lady are making a mess on my carpet."

"I'm sorry," I stammered.

"I think you shall have to be punished for making such a mess with that slutty little pussy of yours. What do you think?" Cmdr. Taco questioned.

"I'm sorry." I repeated. "I can't help it. I need it so much."

"Why do you think it is that you need it so much?" Cmdr. Taco pressed on.

"Because, I like it... because, I'm a dirty slut. I like the way you make me feel. Please touch me there." I begged.

"You are a bad girl. First making a mess on my good carpet, and then begging for me to touch you in such naughty places. You must be taught a lesson I'm afraid. Bend over my lap." Cmdr. Taco commanded.

I quickly hurried hoping Cmdr. Taco would make the throbbing need end. My breasts lay in front of his knee and my legs hung suspended in the air not quite touching the ground. His knees spread, and I felt helpless. His hand reached between my thighs and cupped my sex. I moaned my intense pleasure. "What do you want?" Cmdr. Taco asked.

"Please, please touch me." I implored.

"Touch you where? Cmdr. Taco asked.

"Touch my pussy, please." I begged biting my lip to keep from steadily begging and pleading for the touch I needed so badly.

"Good girl, you are learning. Tell me exactly what you want."

"I want your fingers inside me. I want you to rub my clit."

His hand rubbed over my dripping pussy then moved back to my ass smearing my juices over me. His hand dipped back down and coated once more. Cmdr. Taco rubbed my juices back and forth until my wetness covered me thoroughly. His finger finally sought my clit, and I all but screamed my joy. Cmdr. Taco laughed aloud at my eagerness. Cmdr. Taco circled my now distended clit then rubbed it roughly. His other hand rubbed soft circles on my backside, and then without warning smacked down sharply. I jerked crying out at the unexpected pain. His fingers circled my clit once more. His fingers plucked and twisted my clit as though it was a nipple. Then his wet hand came down once more. Cmdr. Taco slapped my bottom relentlessly. My flesh stung and burned. The wetness made the slaps ring out in the room. I whimpered torn between the peaking pleasure between my legs and the sting of my backside. I felt the walls of my pussy begin to tighten. "That's it my little slut," Cmdr. Taco urged on. "I know you would come like this." His fingers plunged in and out of my pussy as his other hand rained down on reddened behind. "Does it hurt, little one?"

"Yes," I whimpered.

"Do you want me to stop, little one?"

"No." I shook my head.

"Do you know what that means?" Cmdr. Taco asked never slowing his two hands--one sliding in and out, the other slapping up and down faster and faster.

Tears built in my eyes. "I like to be hurt." The blows became harder still my body moved up and back, my breasts swaying and slapping against his leg as Cmdr. Taco rammed roughly in and out of my body.

"Who's slut are you?" Cmdr. Taco asked.

"I'm your slut." I answered.

"What kind of slut are you?" Cmdr. Taco pushed on continuing his twin assault.

"I'm your little pain slut," I cried out as I came gushing even more.

"That's it baby, come hard for me," Cmdr. Taco coaxed running his fingers slowly now in and out coaxing me to come even more. As I lay quivering over his legs, Cmdr. Taco rubbed my bottom praising me. My pussy clenched and released convulsively. "You are so beautiful. You respond so fully." Cmdr. Taco lifted and turned me on his lap facing him. Cmdr. Taco slid his cock into me and held it there filling me. I felt so complete. I tightened around him stroking him without moving. Cmdr. Taco cupped my bottom in his hands and rocked me up and back running his cock in and out of me. Cmdr. Taco would completely fill me, and then withdraw leaving me feeling empty then filling me once more. We rocked slowly together. His mouth covered my neck then my jaw biting lightly. We kissed slowly the contrast from the earlier pell mell rush making it seem even more languid. Minutes stretched by, contended I laid my head on his chest as Cmdr. Taco unhurriedly fucked me. I felt myself building once more, and Cmdr. Taco felt it too. Cmdr. Taco pulled me tighter bouncing me up and down on his cock. Cmdr. Taco turned me and pushed my shoulders to the floor following me to the rug. His hand road the small of my back as my elbows rested on the carpet, and my ass turned up into the air. Cmdr. Taco hesitated a moment looking at my upturned ass before plunging into my pussy. "I'll save your ass for later." Cmdr. Taco promised. The thought of having his cock, any cock in my virgin ass sent me over the edge, and I came. Cmdr. Taco never slowed his pace, but continued to pound relentlessly into my gaping pussy. As I struggled to breath, Cmdr. Taco fucked me without restraint. His cock slammed into me; his balls slapped out a rhythm. Cmdr. Taco no longer spoke, but moaned and groaned his enjoyment. My elbows slipped beneath me, and my face lay pressed onto the rug. My nipples drug up and back on the carpet. The teasing pleasure quickly became pain as my sensitive nipples rubbed faster back and forth. My nipples burnt and stung. My elbows were rug burnt halfway to my forearm. When Cmdr. Taco came, I felt the hot wet splash of his come inside me, and it set off another wave of pleasure. Cmdr. Taco drew out and rubbed the sticky remains of his come on my asshole. "Later." Cmdr. Taco promised watching the gobs of come run along the crack of my ass. I lay gasping on the rug feeling thoroughly used. Cmdr. Taco ran his finger along the crack of my ass. "You are just so tempting, little one. Your mouth was so eager; your pussy was so wet, so hot, and now that sweet little ass of your is calling to me. Do you want to be my three hole girl?"

He sat on the floor and leaned back on the sofa. "Come here, little one." Cmdr. Taco beckoned. I turned and crawled towards him. "Take off my shoes." Cmdr. Taco ordered. I turned my ass towards him once more and untied his shoes and pulled them from his feet. His socks followed. I felt his hand on my ass and tensed as his finger slid down my crack and circled my asshole. I clenched without meaning to, and Cmdr. Taco sighed. Cmdr. Taco lifted and slid his pants and underwear down and off. Cmdr. Taco pulled me back towards his lap by the hair. I lay curled between his legs, my head resting on his thigh while Cmdr. Taco slowly stroked my hair. My face was inches from his cock, and I watched fascinated as his cock twitched and more come slowly trickled down the bulbous darkened head. My tongue involuntarily jutted across my lips as I thought of tasting his come. My action didn't go unmissed. "I'd hate to disappoint a lady." Mr. Kelly said sneering on the word lady. Cmdr. Taco grabbed a handful of my hair. I watched as another glob dropped from his head and fell into the dark matted hair at the base of his penis. His rough jerk reminded me to pay attention to him, and I quickly moved where Cmdr. Taco directed. Cmdr. Taco violently towed my head upward. Staring directly into my eyes, Cmdr. Taco threatened, "Keep that cat tongue in your mouth, or I will teach you what real pain is about." I nodded my compliance. "Say it!" Cmdr. Taco ground out impatiently.

"I'll...I'll keep my little cat tongue in my mouth." I promised.

"Yes, you will." Mr. Kelly nodded. Instead of the licking and lapping up of used come that I craved, Cmdr. Taco held my head firmly between his hands and rubbed my face in the gooey remains of our release. The quickly cooling come coated my entire face. Cmdr. Taco dragged first one cheek then the other through the puddle of sperm. Then face first, up and down his spent cock. I felt it begin to harden beneath me. The temptation to open my mouth--to taste was so great that I clenched me jaw against it. More than the threatened pain, I didn't want to displease Mr. Kelly. I wanted to please him more than I wanted to gratify my longing for come. I felt his seed spread through my eyebrows and eyelashes and begin to stiffen as it dried. The smell of his arousal was overwhelming, and I felt the familiar tightening in my body begin. When Cmdr. Taco was finally finished, Cmdr. Taco lifted me up into his arms. Cmdr. Taco smiled his satisfaction. "You look pretty covered in my come. I'll always remember you this way."

Re:Naughty Taco (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581155)

Stupid troll. Everyone know's Taco is a colon caulker.

What is this? (-1, Flamebait)

cyberlotnet (182742) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581130)

Im trying to understand what this topic is?

It starts out like he is going to give a review of the product then just "dies" into nothing. You are left expecting more content that isnt present.

Re:What is this? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581152)

It wasn't a feature, so don't expect a review. Maybe you should have tried clicking the LINK instead of posting something inane as fast as you possibly could so that you get 3rd troll.

seriously (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581138)

nobody ever gave a shit. get bent you retards.

FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581139)

FIRST PEPSI! [phonelosers.org]

hmmm.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581140)

I question the accuracy and reliability of this device. Previous devices (similar to this) did not function nearly as well as advertised. Has anyone tried the Logitech product before.

Does it have a compass? (-1, Troll)

Subcarrier (262294) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581148)

So, this would be a commercial then?

arse (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581151)

there once was a knob called knober, he was covered in womans slobber.

$200!!! (5, Informative)

kwerle (39371) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581154)

Damn, the keyspan USB remote [keyspan.com] is just $79.

Re:$200!!! (2)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581358)

and has to have an available USB port for the reciever

The point of Bluetooth is that in the future it could work with other things besides just a computer w/ the right drivers.

For instance. A bluetooth TV could let you use it for volume/channel control. A bluetooth projector could let you use it to control its features. A bluetooth system could let you lower/raise the screen. A bluetooth dvd player could give it control...etc. Any bluetooth enabled device that would have a use for a remote or mouse interface could use this.

Re:$200!!! (5, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581370)

The review says that the reciever is keyed to the device and the device to the reciever. In other words, you need to use a USB port for this thing even if you already have bluetooth support.

Re:$200!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581605)

F.Y.I.

The keyspan (we just bought one) is a radio frequency remote (not i.r.) that has resettable separate remote codes. It has a laser, presentation remote (forward back stop volume up/down etc), and a mouse (not optical but like an ibm/toshiba/gamepad mouse). Range has been no problem at all and everyone else is jealous now. Quite a handy device and just $50 street price (works for mac and windows with no drivers.)

stop using decimal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581797)

Use hexadecimal. Repost as a reply to this.

All that halloween candy... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581157)

...gives you bluetooth...

4 out of 5 dentists agree!

Re:All that halloween candy... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581545)

This is kinda funny. Did someone really need to waste their effort in modding it down?

Goat Sex Is Fun! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581160)

Goat Sex! [goatse.cx]

GOATSE.CX IS SO LAME! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581277)

I HEREBY PROCLAIM THAT THIS IS THE NEW GOATSE. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581510)

Nice dingleberries there bitch.

I Was Correct: Another Lame Hardware Review (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581163)


Sell All VA Stock at Market!!

Hmmm... (5, Insightful)

MarcoAtWork (28889) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581169)

for a second I thought that this device was able to function as a mouse while being held by the presenter (via some sort of inertial sensor presumably) but it seems that the mouse function is just a standard 'put it on the desk and move it' type of thing...

Pity, because if you're in the middle of a stage giving a presentation, I doubt you'd want to have to trek to the sides if/when you have to move the mouse pointer on the screen.

Re:Hmmm... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581199)

yes, but it is an optical mouse, so you can just run it across your pants, say.

Re:Hmmm... (5, Insightful)

JUSTONEMORELATTE (584508) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581232)

But it's an optical, so you can move the mouse on any surface around (pants leg, lecturn, your other hand, forhead of audience member, you get the idea)
--

Re:Hmmm... (1)

nixta (444811) | more than 11 years ago | (#4582222)

Which is great until said audience member develops a brain tumour and sues your ass 10 years down the road when it is proven that Bluetooth has been mutating genes in people's pants, other hands, and foreheads since day one.

Forgive my mid-atlantic spelling, for I am confused. Perhaps it's my bluetooth phone, or my microwave helmet.

gyro mice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4582140)

I had originally thought that it used the method that my english teacher had used for our class presentations: a similarly sized device where you could point it at the projected image, and the mouse would follow.

check http://www.keyboardco.com/KBCGYR01_gyro_mouse.htm for more

pity is right - had it been so that would have been GREAT for sitting on the couch with a projector going on the wall for reeeal lazy surfing!

From the article... (5, Funny)

Hayzeus (596826) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581174)

One often-overlooked part of a battery-operated device is the design of the battery compartment door. On most devices, the door is secured at only one point. Invariably, that part of the device breaks and one is forced to resort to other methods of keeping the batteries secured.

"Other methods" indeed. What the hell to these people have against duct tape? It's both stylish AND waterproof! No real geek should ever be without at least three rolls.

Re:From the article... (1)

keithatcpt (566007) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581265)

Don't forget: It's the handyman's secret weapon.

Keith

"If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy." - Red Green

Re:From the article... (5, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581435)

"If the women don't find you +1 Interesting, they should at least find you +1 Informative."

+1 Red Green Reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4582225)

hehee, canadas best export
~Cyno01 [slashdot.org]

Re:From the article... (2)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581386)

it can even be used as a halloween costume [holyducttape.com]

Re:From the article... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581677)

Duct Tape is also handy on airplanes. No carry bag should be without a roll

Bluetooth adapter (1)

ahecht (567934) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581180)

Does the USB bluetooth adapter funtion with other pluetooth products, such as the Palm Tungsen T or Ericsson bluetooth enabled phones?

Re:Bluetooth adapter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581402)

Hey, its ahecht from Westcoaster!

Re:Bluetooth adapter (2)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581559)

That's the idea of bluetooth. A wireless kind of USB.

Assuming you have a correct Bluetooth stack.
Most companies provide one with their adaptors.
Windows XP will include one with the next SP. Linux has the BlueZ-Stack (integrated), Axis Stack and another one I can't remember.

Logitech ruined my life! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581184)

I got a logitech mouse! Connected in to my MICROSOFT keyboard, and its working in LINUX! Kill me now before i die a horrible death

Through floors?? (5, Funny)

DraconicFae (600508) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581218)

"In our tests, the Presenter was able to send a consistent signal through two floors until substantial metalwork began to interfere with the signal." So, what.. one guy is in an empty room, moving the cordless mouse around, and two floors up, another guy is talking to him on the phone saying "yes, it's moving up.. try left now! Woo! That works too!"

Re:Through floors?? (1)

mh101 (620659) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581374)

If it works that well through the floors, then it should have an excellent range in a large open room. Presenters would pretty much be free to walk wherever they want, even if the presentation room is large.

Re:Through floors?? (3, Funny)

billbaggins (156118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581413)

I expect it went sort of like this: "Can you hear me now? Good..."

Re:Through floors?? (5, Funny)

iabervon (1971) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581482)

One guy is testing the mouse in a lecture hall, using VNC to export the display to the overhead projector. Meanwhile, a second guy is stealing his laptop and fleeing the building.

Re:Through floors?? (2)

NeuroKoan (12458) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581864)

Check this [aftenposten.no] link out. It is about a guy who's wireless keyboard ended up transmitting to his neighbor's computer. I don't think this was a bluetooth keyboard, but you get the idea

Why bluetooth? (3, Interesting)

redfiche (621966) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581221)

I thought bluetooth was fairly short-range, and for higher bandwith type applications. Seems like this device could easily get by with regular wireless. Is there something I'm missing?

looks cool, don't worry about the laser (1)

envelope (317893) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581225)

The reviewer seems overly worried about the laser pointer. I read about a study recently where eye cancer patients had a laser pointer shone into their eyes for 15 minutes, with no ill effects.

Re:looks cool, don't worry about the laser (3, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581276)

"I read about a study recently where eye cancer patients had a laser pointer shone into their eyes for 15 minutes, with no ill effects."

Well yeah, if they already had eye cancer what harm could a pointer do?

Do not let consultants use this mind device on you (5, Funny)

airrage (514164) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581235)

If ever, I repeat ever, see a consultant/vendor/salesperson enter the room with this device I know I am in for a 30+ powerpoint presentation; if only the laser were powerful enough to stun me to minimize the pain...

Powerpoint Hell (2)

shadowj (534439) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581597)

I wish I were that lucky. I just received a PP presentation file for a forthcoming product enhancement, and (I am not making this up) it's seven hundred and seventy-eight slides long. Kill me now. Please.

Re:Powerpoint Hell (1)

jx100 (453615) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581695)

Well, maybe you could flip them by really fast and make a movie

Do you really call it a review (5, Funny)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581260)

At first glance, the device looks like something out of a science fiction movie. Its ovoid, finely flecked metallic blue body, encased in a colorless, transparent shell and accented by matt silver buttons is reminiscent of one of Star Trek's handheld phaser guns. The blinking LED lights atop the device and the embedded red laser -- activated when you press a trigger on the Presenter's blue-smoked translucent plastic underside -- reinforce the futuristic impression

I think the "reviewer" just may have succeeded even better than the original market-droids of Logitech.

Re:Do you really call it a review (2)

plover (150551) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581538)

... the embedded red laser -- activated when you press a trigger on the Presenter's blue-smoked translucent plastic underside ...

Reminds me of a lame patent claim, 4,387,297 [164.195.100.11] in which Symbol Technologies claimed a trigger that activated a laser.

They patented a switch to turn on an electrical device.

Good thing the patent expires next year so that Logitech won't get sued...

alternatives (4, Informative)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581263)

It's good to see that some Bluetooth devices are coming out, but for now, there are cheaper and simpler solutions.

For under $80, you can get the Keyspan Presentation Remote [keyspan.com] , which is smaller, comes with a carrying case, includes a laser pointer, and looks just like a USB mouse from the PC side (no drivers). And, yes, it works with Linux.

Another choice is the Gyration [gyration.com] wireless mice. But their receiver is a bulky box and requires a wall wart. And if you want to be able to use standard AAA batteries, you have to pay $100 extra for the "Pro" version.

Re:alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581491)

Sweet because I do all my powerpoint presentations on a Linux box.

use PDF, not PowerPoint (3, Informative)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581714)

Acroread and xpdf are great for presentations, and they run on Linux. Both have full screen modes and have pretty much the right bindings to be used with a remote control like this.

If you must use something like PowerPoint, StarOffice is, of course, another choice.

Re:alternatives (1)

Jered (32096) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581580)

You can get the AAA battery clip for $13 as an accessory; you don't need to buy the Pro mouse.

--Jered

Missing one cool feature... (4, Insightful)

autopr0n (534291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581278)

The ability to use it as a mouse by pointing it at a screen. For $200 I figured they ought to be able to do it, I mean how much did the NES Zapper cost back in the day? $25?

Re:Missing one cool feature... (2)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581312)

How the fuck did that thing work? No one has been able to tell me to this day :)

Re:Missing one cool feature... (2)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581384)

Easy. When you pulled the trigger, the screen flashed a different single frame that was white with a pinkish dot where you could successfully "hit". If the gun saw the dot while the trigger was in you hit what you were shooting at.

How it worked. (5, Informative)

wowbagger (69688) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581419)

The zapper worked exactly like a light pen works.

Oh, you don't know how a lightpen works.

A CRT based screen "paints" the image by scanning an electron beam over the display surface. The graphics chip that generates the display knows where the beam is at any time (it has to, since it has to know what pixels to be sending out.)

The light pen (or gun) is a lens that focuses the display down to a point on a fast image sensor (typically a phototransistor). So, when the electron beam paints the part of the screen that the pen/gun is focuses on, the photosensor fires.

This signal is tied back to the graphics controller, which says "AHA! the electron beam is at 234x421 when the sensor fires. I'll record that into these registers".

After that, it is simplicity itself to set up a cursor.

Now, that technique won't work for a liquid crystal display, since they aren't "scanned" in the conventional sense - there is no pulse of light as the system writes the data to the LCD. Therefor, there is no way a light pen or light gun could work on an LCD display like a modern projector.

Now, in theory you could use a camera to sense a laser pointer's spot, and then move the pointer there. But then you would need a fairly high resolution camera, plus a calibration proceedure so the system would know what points on the camera corrisponded to what points on the display. You would also need a fairly narrow band filter to allow the camera (once calibrated) to see only the laser pointer spot - otherwise it might respond to other objects on the display.

Re:How it worked. (1)

honkycat (249849) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581823)

actually, the zapper was much less sophisticated.. when you pulled the trigger, the NES switched the image to be a different color on different regions of the screen -- black except where "active." So you pull the trigger, first it puts a hot spot over duck #1 and reads the gun, then it puts a hot spot over duck #2 and reads the gun, etc. That's why the screen always had to flash when you pulled the trigger.

Re:Missing one cool feature... (2, Insightful)

kaphka (50736) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581516)

How the fuck did that thing work? No one has been able to tell me to this day
It had a little camera in it that looked at the screen and determined what object it was pointed at.

It's just that simple.

Okay, it so happens that I just came back from a seminar on computer vision, so I know that a certain contingent of Slashdot's audience may be... uncomfortable with that explanation. :-) Relax. I left out one important trick: When you pull the trigger on the gun, the screen very briefly changes to a much simpler image -- probably just a white box on a black background. That way, all the gun really has to do is detect white light. If you think about it, that also explains why Zapper games never had many targets on the screen at the same time. (Although they did sometimes have more than one... I'm not sure how they did that. Perhaps they used more than one frame.)

Re:Missing one cool feature... (2)

Monkelectric (546685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581851)

Thats what everyone says, but it doesn't fit the facts. In games like operation wolf there were multiple targest on the screen, sometimes 5 or 10. How would the gun know which white box coresponded to which enemy? It's got to be a *bit* more complicated then that.

Re:Missing one cool feature... (1)

Kaboom13 (235759) | more than 11 years ago | (#4582113)

Your comment got me curious, I found this after a little looking http://www.howstuffworks.com/question273.htm

Let me see if I understand.. (5, Funny)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581294)

My cat loves laser pointers. And now there's a mouse built in? Whoah... I wonder if I can torpedo her into a wall again.

Re:Let me see if I understand.. (2)

brain159 (113897) | more than 11 years ago | (#4582213)

remember, there's a patent [delphion.com] for that...

Re:Let me see if I understand.. (1)

Cyno01 (573917) | more than 11 years ago | (#4582242)

i saw the header and until i read it i thought this was a method of forcing demons out of your cat

Musicmatch? (3, Interesting)

nogoodmonkey (614350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581302)

"The installation CD also comes with MusicMatch, a digital music software package that helps the user organize and rip digital audio files from music CDs."

Why does it come with Musicmatch? I wonder what Microsoft will bundle when they release a product to compete with this one (as they always do).

Re:Musicmatch? (1)

Anonymous Cowrad (571322) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581476)

Because musicmatch is the kind of software that gets tossed onto driver discs to fill up space.

It's totally useless and unrelated, but people see it as a 'feature' anyway.

Re:Musicmatch? (1)

ShawnD (21638) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581924)

My DVD player (Not DVD-ROM, just kind of DVD player that goes under a TV) came with a CD that has MusicMatch on it (It plays MP3s from CD).

I wonder how many calls RCA got asking why the included disk doesn't play in it.

Multiple Presenters? (4, Insightful)

fisgreen (568052) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581324)

I work in a training facility that may have several different powerpoint presentations going at the same time, sometimes 4-5 classrooms in use on the same floor alone!

I love the idea, but what if several are in use within range on one another? Is there any provision for channel selection?

Re:Multiple Presenters? (4, Informative)

Hayzeus (596826) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581347)

Bluetooth should handle this automagically. It's not just a remote control protocol, it's really more of a short-range networking protocol which assumes multiple nodes in close proximity.

Re:Multiple Presenters? (2)

aero6dof (415422) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581479)

So if I swap mice with room next door bluetooth magically senses the swap and starts using the correct mouse? Since it goes through walls, what if the computer in the presentation room next door is closer. What then?

Re:Multiple Presenters? (3, Informative)

blowdart (31458) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581536)

Nope.

Each bluetooth device has an ID, like a network card has a MAC address. In order to get most devices, and I assume the mouse here is the same, you have to pair them up. Once they are paired, they work together, otherwise I'd be on the train on my notebook leeching someone elses bluetooth GPRS connection via an unpaired phone.

Re:Multiple Presenters? (3, Insightful)

Hayzeus (596826) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581591)

Yes -- it will also add inches to your penis and bring instant riches.

My point is merely that two devices shouldn't interfere with one another. And -- assuming that the two devices have different addresses -- yes, each mouse should talk to its designated node, although this may depend on how Logitech actually implements the device and drivers.

Joy. Another "custom" blue tooth adapter. (5, Insightful)

blowdart (31458) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581337)

So, this little toy comes with a blue tooth adapter to plug into the USB port. The Microsoft bluetooh keyboard and mouse also have their own adapter.... except some of us have laptops with bluetooth built in, or seperate cards. Why are we ending up with a seperate USB adapter for every piece of hardware?

Re:Joy. Another "custom" blue tooth adapter. (4, Insightful)

Yokaze (70883) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581529)

It is not custom. Otherwise it would not be a Bluetooth adaptor. It would be just a device using the ISM-band.

This one and the Microsoft devices have a Bluetooth adaptor of their own, because most people don't have one. Not because they need their own.

It's just a matter of marketing. No technical reasons.

I guess they had to make a choice:
Either the disaproval of those few people who have already a bluetooth adaptor and have to pay for the unwanted extra.
Or the disaproval of the people who buy the device and discover that they have to buy another device to make it work.

Or maybe they just thought that there may be people with integrated Bluetooth. Or maybe they didn't think at all.

Please... (4, Insightful)

Palshife (60519) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581346)

Can someone honestly tell me why this is a significant product? I mean, as far as I can tell this is a cordless mouse with a laser pointer attached. Why is the use of bluetooth so necessary?

Re:Please... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581407)

All I want is just some freaking mouses with freaking lasers attached to their freaking heads, is that too much to ask?!

Range. (3, Interesting)

billbaggins (156118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581428)

Why is the use of bluetooth so necessary?
Range. This thing can talk to the receiver at something like 10 meters. I've tried doing a presentation with a non-Bluetooth (IR) cordless mouse; it wasn't terribly pretty. The geography was such that the receiver could only hear the mouse if I extended my arm directly toward it, and even then it sometimes took a few tries. I would've loved to have something that could work at 10 meters.

Re:Range. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581522)

tried doing a presentation with a non-Bluetooth (IR) cordless mouse; it wasn't terribly pretty. It had nothing to do with cordless mouse and everything to do with the man-breasted presenter.

in a related news... (4, Insightful)

u19925 (613350) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581400)

Toyota has come out with a car CD player which doubles as a coffee cup holder.

Frankly, what is the advantage of combining mouse with a laser pointer? I can get laser pointer as cheap as USD-10 and size of a small key-chain. Besides, during presentation, I don't run the risk of draining mouse battery power, which if exhausted would put me in more trouble.

It would have been great, if they had come out with two separate devices but with some mechanical coupling, so that they can be held together as if it is 1.

Re:in a related news... (2)

chennes (263526) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581599)

I actually got to play with one of these last Tuesday while giving a presentation - the advantage is significant, but not the mouse/laser-pointer combo - it's the presentation remote/laser pointer that's slick. But that's been done. Combining that with a mouse, however, was a stroke of shear brilliance. When someone asks you a question and you need to go back to a specific slide, you can easily set the thing down on a surface and use it as a mouse, 30ft from the laptop running the presentation. Want to replay the movie on a page? Piece of cake. My only real qualm was the location of the trigger for the laser pointer - it wasn't in a particularly convenient location - too far back on the device. Chris

Re:in a related news... (1)

Turbyne (563535) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581789)

Toyota has come out with a car CD player which doubles as a coffee cup holder.
How would one use a SLOT LOADING CD player as a cupholder?

Re:in a related news... (1)

murgee (615127) | more than 11 years ago | (#4582043)

Easy. Set your drink in front, hit Eject twice, and watch it pull it in.. and hope it doesn't try to play your coffee. :-)

Re:in a related news... (1)

dracken (453199) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581852)



"If they had come out with two separate devices but with some mechanical coupling"

You are a disgrace to all geeks! My $25 solution involves a laser pointer, an optical mouse and a roll of duct tape. I call it my "Enterprise"

-Dracken

Why is logitech so Windows based? (3, Interesting)

gouldtj (21635) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581403)

Does anyone know why Logitech is so windows based? I e-mailed them a while ago to find out about their pocket digital camera, to see what protocol it used on the USB. I mentioned that I used Linux, and I was interested in their product. The support tech practically flamed me! All I really wanted to know is if it was USB mass storage.

They seem to have some good products (that pocket digital camera looks really cool) but it seems like they are violently interested in being a MS only company. That doesn't make sense to me.

I understand that MS has the majority of users, but pushing off potential customers doesn't seem like good business to me.

Re:Why is logitech so Windows based? (1)

anarkhos (209172) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581449)

It's very good business when you have to support drivers. Every time you try to support another platform the company gets people like YOU tying up the phones.

Sad but true.

put out engineering info--no phone calls (2)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581923)

They probably end up getting a lot more phone calls because they don't let people write Linux drivers. If companies like Logitech simply put the Windows driver source and/or some of their engineering documents on the web, Linux users wouldn't bother to call them.

Re:Why is logitech so Windows based? (1)

outZider (165286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581486)

Actually, they have pretty good Mac support, too. You're the one using a non mainstream operating system, you know what you're getting into. I use a Mac, I know I don't get everything either. Why don't you go write a driver? :)

Re:Why is logitech so Windows based? OT (2)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581640)

I guess this is crazy talk, but how hard would it be to modify OS X drivers [logitech.com] to work with Linux or Beos?

I am NOT a programmer, but the impression that I have is that unix, linux, beos and the like are some modifications and a recompile away from working with OS X. Is this true in the reverse?

If this is correct (or somewhat) why not release the drivers or source 'support free'? I would happily forego tech support for the promise of using devices with other OS's.

OT: China? (0, Offtopic)

asobala (563713) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581498)

OK, this is offtopic. But can anyone explain why slashdot.xml [slashdot.org] shows a story called "China Concerned About Internal Copyright Infringers" which, interestingly, is not on the front page and the link doesn't work.

Hmmmm....

Old News! (-1, Troll)

PhiberOptix (182584) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581499)

I saw two guys in black suits using one of these, like, two years ago...

Re:Old News! (0, Offtopic)

PhiberOptix (182584) | more than 11 years ago | (#4582175)

I'm not trolling!
I've seen it in MIB, it was the memory eraser!

What is "bluetooth"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581663)

I, too, gather that it is a mouse + laser pointer, but, why does everyone keep mentioning "bluetooth"

is it some sort of new technology?

Re:What is "bluetooth"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4581959)

If this isn't a Google question I've never seen one

Why Bluetooth? (3, Interesting)

whterbt (211035) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581730)

One of my favorite bits from the article:

In some ways, the most significant feature of the Cordless Presenter is that it relies on the Bluetooth communications protocol for its wireless connection to your PC...Why is that significant? The Bluetooth protocol is likely the most hyped communications standard in recent memory, with thousands of companies joining the Bluetooth industry group.

Uhmmm...so, to paraphrase, it's significant because it's hyped. Apparently, there's no reason for it to use Bluetooth, other than the hype. As many others have noted, you can get products that do the same thing for less than half that price, and that don't use Bluetooth.

No idea why it is so expensive (4, Informative)

abhikhurana (325468) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581819)



I still wonder why this device is so expensive. It is possible to get a Bluetooth [arrownordic.com]
baseband controller for 4$ in quantities of 100K pieces (and logitech must order much more than that) with a spec which reads an ARM7 core, 64KB SRAM, 384KB flash and many more things, I cant really comprehend what makes this device so expensive. I mean surely they are using a configuration which maybe costs only half as much. I dont have experience with mouses but I have some experience with more complilcated bluetooth devices, like bluetooth watches with Mpeg4 decoders and stuff like that, and even they cost about 50 USD to make even though they use much more flash and SRAM. So I will say wait for a year before contemplating buying something like this.

Re:No idea why it is so expensive (3, Informative)

g4dget (579145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581938)

It's expensive because marketing believes that those kinds of devices are being sold to upper management types with lost of disposable cash. Of course, a lot of Logitech's products seem similarly overpriced.

Competition will drive this down to reasonable levels pretty soon.

it ROCKS (4, Informative)

Emugamer (143719) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581828)

I bought one, not with my own dime and have been beta testing it for quite a while and I have to say this is one smooth device... it works great in every test Ive thrown at it and it does work much further then 30 ft. I don't know if it is worth $200 but everyone has a different idea of what something is worth to them. to my company it is worth 200 in the hassle of what earlier presenters have cost us.

Ah hah! (4, Informative)

ethnocidal (606830) | more than 11 years ago | (#4581906)

Imperial Department of Computing [ic.ac.uk] lectures will never be the same again, now we know what this thing is and where to buy it :) Since we've had two lecture theatres refurbished, with obligatory automation (windows, fans, a/c, lighting all controlled from a single panel by the controlling computer), the lecturers just haven't been able to resist pulling this puppy out and playing with it.

The good news, for prospective purchasers, is that the range on this thing is pretty decent. Not sure what the bluetooth spec quotes for range, but it works perfectly in the 50 - 60ft length of the theatres. The bad news is that this means lecturers feel far more confident about walking around and asking questions of the insomniacs catching up on some much needed shuteye at the back.

Has anyone had any experience with two of these devices in the same bluetooth hotspot? Not that I've got anything planned, at all...

so? (1)

fiercedragon (579836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4582031)

"Bluetooth" and "cordless"? sounds like greetings from the redundancy-department-of-redundancy

Against Powerpoint (4, Insightful)

hopbine (618442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4582214)

This seems a neat toy, but as I'm getting fed up with powerpoint presentations, I hope I never see one. Most presenters come loaded with far too complicated presentations, each slide with too much data (that's why they need the laser pointer) and they spend all there time driving the computer not telling the story.CBC [cbc.ca] had a story on Monday about this, andTom Creed [ntlf.com] from Saint John's University has some more insite.
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