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Microsoft Alternative in Extremadura, Spain

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the penguins-come-in-all-sizes dept.

Linux 305

grylnsmn writes "The Washington Post today has a front page article talking about how the Extremadura region in Spain is converting all government offices, businesses, and home from Windows to Linux. The article talks of their problems last spring and how the community banded together to solve them. "But the glitches are more an annoyance, [Ana Acevedo, who heads one of the government's document-processing units] said, than a hassle. 'It's mostly very tiny things,' she said." Overall, this is an important testbed for localities all over the world who are looking at making the switch. Overall, a very good and balanced article." Update: 11/03 20:37 GMT by T : Headline misspelled "Extremadura" as "Extramadura" -- fixed now.

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YEAH!! (-1)

napsterposter (258980) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589669)

TAAAA

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589675)

Send in the death squads!

LINUX SUCKS! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589683)

TOO bad MS is TEH WIN with teh new RULING THAT SAYS Tehy can put open Suorce outs of busyness 4eva.

THX BILL

Hello! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589685)

Hi. I'd like to submit my payment for the "Buttfuck a Slashdot Editor" raffle... but I can't seem to find the payment details page. Is this it?

Re:Hello! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589784)

Yes it is.

Hrmm.. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589686)

Kinda makes you wonder what Billy Gates is doing with all of that money lost from Spain, poor guy.. He could lose a few million :(

Has anyone noticed most EUROPEANS don't useFREEBSD (0)

zymano (581466) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589922)

They always use LINUX . Germany too. Makes no real sense since linux is more a copy of Freebsd. Scratch your head about that.

Re:Hrmm.. (1)

InrdZQdxdqn (622267) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589950)

Not too much, as most of the MS software used in Spain is pirated.

But he should start being worried about Europe...

page shortening post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589689)

page shortening post

i claim spain in the name of america (-1, Offtopic)

kraksmoka (561333) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589699)

i've always wanted to say that.

good to see more government using free software always!

Re:i claim spain in the name of america (2, Informative)

nirvanis (571685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589789)

Sadly, other regions in Spain have not accepted to use free software instead of Windows.

The heading is wrong (4, Informative)

RinzeWind (413873) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589700)

It's "Extremadura", not "Extramadura".

Extramadura (0, Offtopic)

nirvanis (571685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589832)

The translation for "Extramadura" is something like "overmature" which may confuse somebody. It sounds like my daily spam.

viva la penguinos (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589705)

Linux rules! [go.com]

Localization ? (2, Funny)

js995 (608590) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589706)

'To get word processing, for example, users click on "Borcense," a picture of 16th century writer Francisco Sanchez de las Brozas; for the Internet, click on "Galeon," a crane that lives in the oak meadows and cereal plains of the region'
trying to spread the localized changes thin then..

Redundant (-1, Redundant)

NineNine (235196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589708)

OK, is Slashdot now poting a story every time somebody installs Linux? This is getting ridiculous. We understand that more people are using Linux now. This stopped being news several years ago.

News! Bill Smith at IBM has installed Linux on a desktop in his cube! Story here. Smith was quoted as saying, "Well, it was a Friday afternoon, and I didn't have a lot to do, but I had to stay until 5:00 just in case. So I figured, 'What the hell? I've got nothing better to do. I've been wanting to try it out because my son said it was cool.'" Thanks Bill for your dramatic story of David crushing the Goliath that is Microsoft with incredible bravery and strength. Viva la revolution!

*yawn*

Re:Redundant (5, Informative)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589768)

OK, is Slashdot now poting a story every time somebody installs Linux? This is getting ridiculous. We understand that more people are using Linux now. This stopped being news several years ago.

This isn't somebody. This is over 100,000 machines with 10,000 switched already. I don't recall ever hearing about such a large OS conversion ever. This is news.

Re:Redundant (5, Insightful)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589859)

Perhaps what he's thinking of is that we've been hearing for years how some city/state/region/country is going to be making a massive switch to Linux.

What's newsworthy about this story is that someone has taken a significant step towards doing it.

Re:Redundant (5, Informative)

Phouk (118940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589771)

You obviously didn't read the article.

Already, Vazquez de Miguel said, more than 10,000 desktop machines have been switched, with 100,000 more scheduled for conversion in the next year. [...] Organizers called their version "Linex," combining the names of Linux and Extremadura. The software has become so popular that it has been downloaded more than 55,000 times from www.linex.org by people outside Extremadura.

This is a bit different in orders of magnitude from just "somebody installing Linux", isn't it?

Quite interesting, actually (5, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589816)

Let's see, they've already transformed 10,000 machines which were previously enslaved to the windows drum over to the free'n'easy linux beat :-)

They've got another 100,000 scheduled for next year. That drum's just going to get louder, and louder, and louder. Can you hear it yet ? What you are hearing, ladies and gentlemen, is the hammering-in of the thin end of the wedge, and I for one can't wait for that wedge to grow.

Windows is the him-use-deep-magick-solve-problem approach, an oligarchy of high priests results with the local priests doling out consolences (note: not solutions ...) from above in return for bloody coin.

Linux is a meritocracy, where librarians are shown their due worth, knowledge is open to all, and the only currency you need spend is time, the only fear you need have is looking stupid when asking beginner questions. Even then, you are mostly treated well because of the "There but for the grace of [insert deity] go I" mentality.

No, I'm not a librarian, but I much prefer the latter over the former :-)

Simon.

Re:Quite interesting, actually (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589821)

they've already transformed 10,000 machines which were previously enslaved to the windows drum

Like a good /.ter, you didn't read the article. Virtually all of the machines listed are dual-boot machines, and the users need to switch to Windows to do anything useful -- like print a document.

Re:Quite interesting, actually (1)

ninthwave (150430) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589856)

No it seemed to me the article said some users had to dual boot. When the intial bugs were worked out only a few are dualing booting. That is how it sounded though I will agree the article was vague on that point and I think you could read it either way.
And most of the dual boot users were forced into that position not because of bugs in Linux but Windows documents not using open standards. But agian they were vague on that point of to google to see if I can get some Spanish translated viewpoints of the project.

Re:Quite interesting, actually (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589973)

Too bad I actually read the article and snarfed a good sigquote from it. Evidently they have the bugs worked out after a disasterous first attempt.

Redundant? Dude! This is (5, Insightful)

wiredog (43288) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589844)

A front page story in the Sunday Washington Post. Figure that people in the offices of every Representative and Senator are going to read it. The White House will see it. Several thousand people at the Pentagon will read it. Thousands more throughout the government will read it. Plus all the journalists. Lobbyists.

I live here, grew up here, and know that I'm not the only one who reads every front page story in the Post every day.

Re:Redundant (2)

rseuhs (322520) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589986)

Well, one might think so, but here and in other places Wintrolls (like you) are eager to point out that Windows is the best for *everybody* because everybody uses it. (Which is circular reasoning, but for you that probably doesn't matter)

Hell, I was called a crazy zealot because I made the claim that for 30% of computer users Linux would be the best solution right now. (I didn't even say for a majority, just 30%.)

And it's not just "somebody" in the article, it's 10000 desktops with 100000 more to come.

We need such articles to counter the constant bashing (by pro-Windows people) and the constant whining (by many pro-Linux people).

But Its Not Possible (-1, Flamebait)

danheskett (178529) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589709)

But you *can't* switch. They're a monopoly!!! Didn't anyone tell them?!?

ITS NOT POSSIBLE - THIS ARTICLE IS A LIE.

This can't be true. If it were, it'd mean that there is an alternative to Windows and MS software. And if that were true that'd mean that this whole antitrust thing was B.S. from day one.

Re:But Its Not Possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589875)

Big ups. The mods are hypocrites if this doesn't get marked insightful.

Re:But Its Not Possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589902)

hmm well lets see you could go to a mine and try to find a diamond but wait thats not possible debeers has a monopoly on diamonds so you couldnt even go look for a diamond? right?
its amazng what a lapse of logic can let you say

Re:But Its Not Possible (3, Insightful)

the gnat (153162) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589906)

Ooooh, goody, another libertarian troll!

There have always been alternatives. The issue was whether Microsoft was using its dominant position in the industry to strangle anyone it thought might be a competitor- e.g. using its near-monopoly on preloaded OSes to force OEMs into deals that prohibited loading competitor's software as well. It's not illegal to have a monopoly alone; you have to leverage that monopoly in restraint of trade. Rather than actually innovate their way into new markets, they simply used their existing strength to prevent others from participating.

(A related example: my parents home still has pieces of phone equipment that say "property of AT&T", because before their monopoly was split up you couldn't use non-AT&T equipment, even though in theory anyone could manufacture it.)

The antitrust thing was BS because browser tying was a bullshit example and the government made a crappy case. Microsoft did plenty of worse things that it deserved to get slapped down for. Like telling Apple that if it didn't make IE the default browser on OS 9 and hide Netscape, they'd drop Office for Mac.

And, um, you do realize that the antitrust suit was brought by the US government on behalf of US consumers, and not the Spanish government, right? Or would such facts get in the way of your misguided free-market cheerleading?

Re:But Its Not Possible (2)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589997)

It's not illegal to have a monopoly alone; you have to leverage that monopoly in restraint of trade.

What does that have to do with his point? It's not illegal (for the most part) to leverage if you don't have a monopoly, and the existence of a viable competitor is incompatible with someone having a monopoly.

And, um, you do realize that the antitrust suit was brought by the US government on behalf of US consumers, and not the Spanish government, right? Or would such facts get in the way of your misguided free-market cheerleading?

And what does that possibly have to do with his point? Linux only works in Spain, and not in the US?

No, he has a valid point that's been made here since the start of the antitrust case, when people were simultaneously arguing that Red Hat 5.0 was clearly superior to any Microsoft offering, but that Microsoft was a monopoly because it had no competition. I'd say the best argument you could make for the antitrust case was that three years ago, Linux did not, in fact, offer real competition on the desktop. Of course, since this project is Debian-based, it _is_ three year old Linux, so...

Re:But Its Not Possible (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589914)

Cornering > 90% of the market using tactics already judged illegal?

Ahh, go away you trolling twat.

Re:But Its Not Possible (5, Interesting)

rseuhs (322520) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590099)

As a Linux-user I'm so sick of the Microsoft case that I almost which they would just set them free just this thing is over.

I'm sick of morons who don't get it. (Microsoft broke an agreement goddamnit. They agreed not to bundle IE with Windows and they did bundle IE with Windows at the next possiblitly.)

I'm sick of monopoly-whiners constantly complaining. We don't need whiners, we need a positive, optimistic attitude in the Linux community.

Let's face it: The US-government is both incompetent and corrupt.

There is no hope that the US-government will ever reintroduce a free, open and capitalistic market in the OS space (yes, you read that right. The market is not open. The force-bundelings of Windows are more close to communism than Linux can ever become), we will have to do that ourselves.

Let's forget that courtcase and move on.

And it can be done. All the mainstream software is right available. - Just show the software to users. All users I showed Mozilla to loved it (either because of tabbed browsing or because of ad-blocking). It's harder to convert the whole platform, but I've done that for a couple of users, too. After initial glitches and minor problems, it's much better and problem-free than any Windows installation.

Microsoft says it isn't war (5, Funny)

CatWrangler (622292) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589710)

From the article....

Like many Linux advocates, he speaks about the software in emotional terms. "Connectivity and literacy" equals "equality and liberty," he said.

Microsoft regards such talk as too dramatic and distracting. It is software, after all, not war, company officials said. It is far more productive in their view to talk about the technical aspects of Windows vs. Linux.

I wonder if Steve Ballmer ever got that memo. Microsoft is a fun loving peaceful company. They only assimilate on accident, because they are trying to build a world of equality, fluffy clouds, and little bunnies.

editors note... Fluffy clouds-tm and little bunnies-tm is copywrited by Microsoft-TM. Do not use, or we will hunt you down and kill you.

Re:Microsoft says it isn't war (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589760)

I see that you too recognized that Disney has the trademark on the correct spelling of "copyrighted" too. Good job. I'm glad to see you're on top of things.

Re:Microsoft says it isn't war (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4590051)

hahahahahaha u r teh j0k3 m4z73r

Re:Microsoft says it isn't war (5, Insightful)

soloport (312487) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590065)

"Somebody might give you a free puppy this afternoon," Smith said, "but you're going to have to go buy dog food in the morning."

Uh, really weak! If someone sells me a puppy, I'm still going to have to buy dog food in the morning.

But I'll have less money, in the end ;-)

Re:Microsoft says it isn't war (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4590078)

It is far more productive in their view to talk about the technical aspects of Windows vs. Linux.

Yes, just look at the technical aspects. Pay no attention to the 6-page license agreement. There is absolutely no difference between the GPL and the Microsoft EULA. Microsoft's EULA is just as free as the GPL. Please focus on the moving spot. As you listen to my voice, your eyelids will become heavy... heavy... heavier.. and you will fall into a deep sleep. Do you hear me know? Good. Now listen carefully. Whenever you hear the word "Developers" you will immediately stand up and scream "I LOVE MICROSOFT". Do you understand? Good. When I snap my fingers, you will awaken and have no memory of our conversation. *snap*

It can work (5, Insightful)

haxor.dk (463614) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589721)

OK, i'll not put my head on the block and make bold claims like "the revolution is beginning" or somesuch, but the constant small trickle of stories like these of insututions and corporations swithing from WIndows to Linux shows that Linux is a true alternative to Windows.

IT GETS THE JOB *DONE*.

When will the US start to do this??? (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589727)

It seems that the EU might be taking a leap ahead of the US in this. With the entire US military in the middle of a swtich to Win2k, it makes one wonder when they will realize that Windows will be obsolete in 6 years...

more slashdot immaturity (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589731)

This likely will get moderated down because of the slashdot bias, but it must be pointed out...

"The article talks of their problems last spring and how the community banded together to solve them. But the glitches are more an annoyance, [Ana Acevedo, who heads one of the government's document-processing units] said, than a hassle."

In other words, Microsoft software is terrible and GNU/Linux software is great.

"Overall, a very good and balanced article."

So it's a good article and balanced because it's pro-GNU/Linux and anti-MS.

Come on. No article is completely balanced but Slashdot seems to put a pro-Linux skew on everything. I like Linux too but I'd rather see it to be unbiased rather than have an immature hatred of everything MS. I mean, I see most stuff that MS did was negative, but Slashdot even managed to put an anti-MS tilt on an article saying that Win2k with SP3 was secure, saying that it took three service packs to do that. Linux patches things all the time too, and there's nothing wrong with patches to fix holes! But come on, please give some unbiased feedback. If it is unbiased I'm sure it will come out pro-Linux, but it doesn't have to be Pro-GNU/Linux Anti-Microsoft on _every single article_.

Re:more slashdot immaturity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589841)

If the cap fits ...

I don't really see where you draw your own conclusions from either - they say X, you infer Y then criticise "them" for saying Y. Odd.

Simon

Re:more slashdot immaturity (3, Funny)

rnd() (118781) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589923)

It's not really an anti-Microsoft bias, it's more of an anti-Microsoft reflex.

Exactly (3, Funny)

Subcarrier (262294) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589963)

It's not really an anti-Microsoft bias, it's more of an anti-Microsoft reflex.

Reflexes are evolution's way of saving lives. Poke your finger into some hot coals and the back of your hand hits your forehead before you can say "Hot!". It's the same with Windows.

Re:more slashdot immaturity (2)

horster (516139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589926)

any post that starts with, 'this will likely get moderated down because of the slashdot bias' should get modded down.

it's just throwing mud, why not discuss the article? for the record, while slashdot might have an anti-ms bias (_might_) they probably give ms more press and publicity than any non-ms site I know of. consider the frequency of days where there are 3 posts dealing with microsoft (like today).

Re:more slashdot immaturity (1)

pVoid (607584) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589985)

There is nothing more dangerous than irrational hatred, and having an unchanging bias against microsoft is a sure sign of going down that road.

I personally run both linux and win2k, and I love them both. The important part is to *see* with eyes unclouded (to quote mononoke).

moderation envy (1, Offtopic)

MacAndrew (463832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589984)

Why are so many posts starting with disclaimers like "This likely will get moderated down because of the slashdot bias, but it must be pointed out...."?

Is the point to cultivate points through moderator guilt (and they're a stone-hearted bunch) or to get one last defiant dig in before the ship sinks (due to bias, naturally)?

The illogic of "this likely will get moderated down" is that if it is, then no one will read the disclaimer. Perhaps someday an internet archeologist will discover its prophetic remains.

Now, I realize that this will get modded into oblivion by nincompoops who fear the contagion of righteous criticism and sedition; yet the Mod Squad might see the error of its ways, showering "insightful" points on this post and its parent, then resigning as penance.

All in fun. Some of my best friends are moderators. Really.

pretty impressive- learned from AOL? (5, Insightful)

call -151 (230520) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589738)

With 10,000 machines converted already, and 100,000 scheduled for next year in a region with 1.1 million people, that is very impressive- and they only started in April. How did they do it? It sounds like they took a page from AOL and carpet-bombed the region with CDs:

So far, the government has produced 150,000 discs with the software, and it is distributing them in schools, electronics stores, community centers and as inserts in newspapers. It has even taken out TV commercials about the benefits of free software.

It would be great to see something like that spread more widely, but hey, it's a great start!

Re:pretty impressive- learned from AOL? (1)

bobtheprophet (587843) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589778)

They switched to linux so they're good but they're like AOL so they're bad? But...but...but...*kaboom!*

Re:pretty impressive- learned from AOL? (1)

ninthwave (150430) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589882)

If someone can recommend a good installation iso. Why not see if we could get a disk burned and do our disk drops. Like BookCrossing.com leaving an OS for lucky users to find.

Or maybe that could be a feature added to linuxiso.org a register of copies of linux left in public places and register for people who found it to report the finding. Maybe.

Re:pretty impressive- learned from AOL? (5, Funny)

rant-mode-on (512772) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589934)

  • With 10,000 machines converted already, and 100,000 scheduled for next year in a region with 1.1 million people

My god, the GPL is a virus!

Prophecy - Intel is next - then disaster (5, Funny)

Trusty Penfold (615679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589740)


Nostradumus foretold this

C4Q94
Two great brothers will be chased out of Spain,
The elder conquered under the Pyrenees mountains:
The sea to redden, Rhône, bloody Lake Geneva from Germany,
Narbonne, Béziers contaminated by Agde

The great brothers are obviously Microsoft and Intel.

After, the future doesn't look too bright. Perhaps we ought to consider?

Heh Heh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589745)

But a major bug was discovered within days: If users tried to print or view a video or do anything that involved peripherals or multimedia, strange error messages popped up.

It took a team of developers three months to fix the problem, during which anyone who converted to Linux had to download their documents on a disk and run over to a Windows machine to print them.


The Power of Open Source: Security bugs are fixed with in 1 hour, but it takes 3 months before printing starts to work.

Re:Heh Heh (1)

failrate (583914) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589839)

Yar, I'm sure it wasn't the fault of the OS. I mean, GNU/*nixes are great systems, but there is a reason there are college-level courses devoted to learning them. Rome wasn't burned in a day, after all.

Some stuff (5, Insightful)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589749)

Good article. I hope they succeed, though I expect they'll have to put some elbow grease in to fix problems. I wonder if they'd be willing to help with my project? Easy software installation is a big deal on Linux at the moment..... anyway Microsoft regards such talk as too dramatic and distracting. It is software, after all, not war, company officials said. It is far more productive in their view to talk about the technical aspects of Windows vs. Linux.

LOL! Good one. Unfortunately Microsoft you made it war a long, long time ago, by killing anything that stood in your way. The computer industry has been in their grip for years, we've seen some of the largest abuses of the free market in history, we've seen the law bought, then bought again and now they tell people not to be emotional?

"There's been too much theology and not enough economic analysis in the debate so far," said Bradford L. Smith, Microsoft's general counsel, who oversees the company's global lobbying tea

This is rich coming from the company that described the GPL as "unamerican". I guess they're scared people might realise there's more to computers than the opcodes they run?

"Consider that there's a lot more to the total cost and value of a product than the initial offering somebody might give you," Smith said. For instance, it is often expensive to find support services for free software, whereas such help comes bundled with the purchase of Windows. And companies like Microsoft have a vested interest in updating their products; that's not necessarily so with free software.

You can pay as much as you like Linux tech support. I paid nothing for mine, and #linuxhelp came through every single time. You can buy it if you like, and it'll be of much higher quality than Microsofts - have you ever actually tried to get through to them on the phone when it matters?

"Somebody might give you a free puppy this afternoon," Smith said, "but you're going to have to go buy dog food in the morning."

When you use analogies, you should be careful that they can't be turned around on you. In Microsofts case, they'll sell you a puppy, then kill it when it gets old and force you to buy a new one. And you still have to buy dog food.

The software has become so popular that it has been downloaded more than 55,000 times from www.linex.org by people outside Extremadura.

Good for them. I hope they succeed, and let the community know if they need anything.

Re:Some stuff (2, Funny)

bobtheprophet (587843) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589798)

Microsoft doesn't have to kill the puppy after a few years, it explodes every other day and you have to pick up the pieces and glue them back together.

Re:Some stuff (2)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589866)


"There's been too much theology and not enough economic analysis in the debate so far," said Bradford L. Smith, Microsoft's general counsel, who oversees the company's global lobbying tea


I always thought you Americans took that Boston thing far too seriously :-)

Simon

Re:Some stuff (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589909)

"Somebody might give you a free puppy this afternoon," Smith said, "but you're going to have to go buy dog food in the morning."



Or, like windows licensing, you have to buy a new kennel and dog washing machine every year, and submit to regular flea inspections from the DSA, a private dog police force.



Ok, maybe that metaphor went a bit far :)

Re:Some stuff (2)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589951)

yeah the part:

** "There's been too much theology and not enough economic analysis in the debate so far," said Bradford L. Smith, Microsoft's general counsel, who oversees the company's global lobbying team.

"Consider that there's a lot more to the total cost and value of a product than the initial offering somebody might give you," Smith said. For instance, it is often expensive to find support services for free software, whereas such help comes bundled with the purchase of Windows. And companies like Microsoft have a vested interest in updating their products; that's not necessarily so with free software.

"Somebody might give you a free puppy this afternoon," Smith said, "but you're going to have to go buy dog food in the morning." *****

is just absolutely hilarious... with ms you are out of even buyable support in few years.

haha, and ms consulting (support) is free? who believes that??
ms doesnt have vested intrest in updating their products, they have vested intrest in selling them again to you after a year.

No wonder, Spain is intensely Catholic (-1, Troll)

Adam Rightmann (609216) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589757)

and the shadow of the Inquisition still lies in the heart of most devout Spaniards.

It lies outside the ken of most Slashdotters, but Bill and Melinda Gates have donated millions upon millions of dollars to third world charities [gatesfoundation.org] devoted to killing brown children, err, I mean reproductive and sexual health. Most Catholics like children, and want to see more of them, so your typical Spanish Catholic feels a severe crisis of faith knowing that his money is eventually going to kill the unborn children of his faith, Going with Linux instead of MS is a way around this conundrum.

Speaking of Linux, I installed RH8.0 this weekend, and am posting this article from Mozilla. Perhaps I will be able to join my brethren and get rid of the Protestant, baby killing Microsoft.

Re:No wonder, Spain is intensely Catholic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589831)

Geez. With posts like this, religious GNU/Linux zealots, and Microsoft's 'evangelism' department, one would think the realm of computing is becoming as controversial as the realm of religion.

I really didn't think what OS you have on your hard drive was THAT big a deal, but I guess I could be wrong.

Linux Hippies Rejoice (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589802)

Said one joyful hippie, "We was all heading to Europe anyways, what with the recent court decision and the fact that the EU's looking at coverting to open source."

"Now at least we have a destination. So what if its actually a little bizzare that the goverment is mandating / forcing / coercing the change. Heck, I'm more than willing to give up choice, cause open source is free and freedoms what its all about, baby. Its not like the pots calling the kettle black or anything."

A troubling thought... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4590093)

...you know, what if people actually LIKE using Microsoft and are more than willing to spend the money on it? Shocking as it sounds, it does happen.

The next logical step... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589804)

See if we can get businesses as a whole to start on Linux and consolidate that way. New startups, for instance -- rather than make a painful transition later, start early.

Part of the reason MS is so entrenched is because everyone expects to see it everywhere. The more of Linux they see in other places, and unexpected ones, the better a chance people will have of taking it seriously -- and actually buying it, using it, installing it, adopting it as their own, etc.

Maybe the idea of "Linux is dead on the desktop" is premature. Especially if enough places around the world prove it just ain't so?

Look at the picture (1)

anonymous coword (615639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589807)

Africa, South America, Europe and Asia Are all concidering/moving to alternative systems like linux, soon Microsoft will only have the USA left. I like linux and as a resident of europe, I hope this will succeeed. LINUX IS BETTER than windows, and it gets easier to configure all the time, microsoft will have to adapt or die

Re:Look at the picture (3, Informative)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589880)

Ehm ... in a word:

No.

Linux is a kernel. Windows is an entire operating system.

Add a bunch of various GNU/BSD/Whatever programs, and you end up with something, that sometimes are better than Windows, and sometimes with something that isn't.

Re:Look at the picture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589893)

Dont start that gnu/linux flamewar again.

Re:Look at the picture (2)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589917)

I'm not (unless you want to mix in BSD/whatever).

My point is that you can't compare Linux to Windows; that's like comparing a 2.0 L engine to a car. Add various stuff to it however, and you end up with a car, that you can compare to the other car.

linux in indonesia too! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589809)

fuck your mother IN DA ASS. she bleeds. she cries. i lick her bleeding ass and then cum in her exposed eye socket, since i goughed out her eye with my dick. then i smear my cum on her dead lips and we kiss. or at least i kiss her cadaver in spots you never kissed, unless you kissed her bowels. ok, buh bye! have fun jerking off!

sure, it ain't a war... (5, Interesting)

domeng24ph (466505) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589812)

"Microsoft regards such talk as too dramatic and distracting. It is software, after all, not war, company officials said. It is far more productive in their view to talk about the technical aspects of Windows vs. Linux."

but consider a microsoft philippines job ad [jobstreet.com.ph]

one of the responsibilities of the job microsoft is offering is...

"Demolish competition by knowing everything they do and thwarting their every move in the relevant spaces"

that's a microsoft developer evangelist for you...

Re:sure, it ain't a war... (1)

hopbine (618442) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590004)

From the article came the answer,

"Somebody might give you a free puppy this afternoon," Smith said, "but you're going to have to go buy dog food in the morning."

Explain to me again.. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589838)


The article claims that the little dutchy is attempting to convert all of the home users in the region.


Tell me again why it is the job of the government to tell you what operating system to use?

Re:Explain to me again.. (3, Funny)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589897)

Yeah! Who do they think they are?

And why the fuck do they decide, what language you should learn in school, or which side of the road to drive, let alone what currency to use?!?

Sheesh! The nerve of some people.

Re:Explain to me again.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589941)


yes, i agree.


while 'side of the road to drive' is a health and safety issue, and 'currency to use' is for you to decide--if you want to use chariot wheels it's up to you, but I strongly agree with you--it's absolutely not their job to tell you what language you should learn in school. There's no such thing as an eternally fixed 'spain' or 'denmark', and languages should be determined by the free market.


dumbass.

Re:Explain to me again.. (4, Interesting)

Phantasmo (586700) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590008)

When I was in grade 10, I took a manditory computer studies class that taught us to use Microsoft Powerpoint, Microsoft Word, Microsoft Excel, Microsoft Access, and nothing else.

In grade 11 we studied Visual Basic, and in my grade 12 Cisco networking class we learned to configure TCP/IP and SMB on Windows XP - so much for router configuration.

I tried to join the club that maintained the school's website, but they wouldn't accept hand-coded HTML - you had to use FrontPage, or you couldn't join.

Extremadura is distributing free CDs, which seems relatively harmless when compared to what happens here in Toronto [tdsb.on.ca] .

Re:Explain to me again.. (5, Insightful)

InrdZQdxdqn (622267) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590107)

No, the job of the government is not to tell you what operating system to use -though US government seems to have told you exactly that.

But it's the job of the government:
- To save costs in administration.
- To make sure citizens are given options in a free market.
- To worry about the security of the data they manage and be sure software they use makes exactly what it's intended to do.
- Anything that can benefit the community as a whole...

MS is right for once (5, Insightful)

naasking (94116) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589843)

Though not in the way they anticipated.

"Connectivity and literacy" equals "equality and liberty," [Miguel] said. Microsoft regards such talk as too dramatic and distracting. [...] "There's been too much theology and not enough economic analysis in the debate so far," said Bradford L. Smith, Microsoft's general counsel, [...] "Consider that there's a lot more to the total cost and value of a product than the initial offering somebody might give you".

Exactly right! The cost of Microsoft is freedom (as we have all seen in recent years), far too high a price. Funny how MS leaves that out of their analyses.

MS go home :o) (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589864)

Now, hope to see something like this in Denmark, why do I have to pay for windows through my taxes :(

Actually... (2, Funny)

bcwalrus (514670) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589883)

... the linux community has been planning this for a long long time. See:

for the Internet, click on "Galeon," a crane that lives in the oak meadows and cereal plains of the region

Go Galeon!

she said? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589885)

You mean that one of the heads of the Spain government's document-processing unit has milk producing mammary glands topped with pacifier-like tips, and a vaginal opening designed to accommodate a throbbing penis? How gross!

Their have their own distro...: (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589887)

they have their own distro. Based in Debian 3.0 + Gnome2:

http://www.linex.org

Poll on linex.org (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589891)

Can someone translate the poll? I'd like to vote...

(I have a poll fetish)

Re:Poll on linex.org (1)

InrdZQdxdqn (622267) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590011)

Here you are:

Q: Do you think citizens should have the right to decide which software they use?

1. No, I prefer a propietary software already predefined.
2. Yes, Knowledge must belong to everybody.
3. If everybody makes a choice, isn't it going to be a mess?
4. Sure, freedom relies on diversity.

(As you can see, a bit biased...funny anyway :-)

the biggest problem (5, Insightful)

nuckin futs (574289) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589908)

is this:
For now, many denizens of Extremadura find themselves having to use both operating systems, if for no other reason than to deal with an outside world that still relies heavily on Microsoft.
That sums up the biggest roadblock every person/company/country will have to go through just to be MS-free.

Re:the biggest problem (4, Insightful)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590047)

There's also the fact that third-party peripheral support is still not as good as what you get with Windows, despite the gains of recent years.

Small wonder why we may see Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) support in the next Linux kernel, if only to make it easier to hot dock external devices through USB 1.1/2.0 and IEEE-1394 ports.

Good Article, But... (2, Interesting)

dbCooper0 (398528) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589915)

Extremadura is being closely watched by Linux enthusiasts and Microsoft for how it manages the transition. Such efforts are likely to become the next front in the battle to steal market share from Microsoft, now that a federal judge has approved a settlement in its antitrust case in the United States. (emphasis added)

Who is "stealing" market share? That editorial blurb seemed wrong to me from the gitgo.

IMHO, if anyone chooses to use an alternative OS or hardware, they have the right to do so. There is no theft involved, just freedom of choice.

Re:Good Article, But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589972)

well someone is taking market share form M$ and they own the worlds economy so it muusstt be stealing.

Microsoft will have to change its licenses... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589921)

...to survive


Espaaaaaaaaaña!!! ña ña ña

Good for the budget (5, Insightful)

DalTech (575476) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589946)

I really would like to see more government agencies and large corporations in the US try using a Linux based OS if for no other reason than the savings in licensing cost.

I recently went with a friend to buy a new computer and found 2 pre-built systems with identical hardware but different operating systems. One had Windows XP and the other Redhat. There was a $200 price difference between the systems and it was due to the software license cost.

The savings alone would have been enough for me to decide on the Linux box but my friend has no experience on any OS other that Microsoft so he went with the XP. The first time I had to work on a Sun Solaris box, it took a few days for me to figure out how the damn thing worked but I learned. Same for Linux, but with time and use I am pretty comfortable with the OS.

Until people either begin their computer learning or receive training with non-Microsoft operating systems, I don't see any major shift from MS/OS to open source in the US any time soon, even though the cost savings could be in the billions.

Re:Good for the budget (3, Interesting)

ninthwave (150430) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590058)

I think that is the point of intiatives like this.
By dropping the machines into schools they are educated their children. This means their children are going to be using open systems and will have experience with it. This means that if they need to move out of an Microsoft framework they can and if they need to move into a Microsoft framework. Well I guess that learning curve is only slightly less easy than moving to the MacOS.

If Microsoft would give its software away to schools and not worry about future liscensing within the educational system it would be a difficult fight for linux. But as the Nambia article pointed out Microsoft is worried about revenue from education so it is openning up doors for Linux in education. When the end users are use to an os it will end up in business and government. Windows entered the office from people talking about the ease of use of their home machines and cemented itself in the office with students learning nothing but Office. If Microsoft gives up this market. In 12 years it will be seeing waves of students entering the job forcing learning Open Office as an Office ap and unfamiliar with the undocumented features (read bugs) of Windows, they will begin a push for the OS they are comfortable with in the business world. For in business efficiency is measured with getting work done. Windows is efficient because it is easier to deploy without having to worry about the computer literacy of your employees above a cetain level. But that is my rant. I would prefer to see Sun, Apple, IBM, Microsoft, Linux, FreeBSD and all companies tripping over each other to give free software to schools. The more exposure the youth have to a variety of Operating Systems the better future generations will be able to innovate. But my rant stops. Spelling is out the door and so is sanity but wait that is normal hence I am at slashdot.

Anyone know what this is based on? (2)

Otter (3800) | more than 11 years ago | (#4589948)

Reading the Linex site, it seems like this is a Debian-based system with a GNOME desktop and Open Office. Does anyone know if it's based on one of the Debian derivatives or have these guys actually solved the "make Debian easy to install" problem by themselves?

By the way,have the trolls noted the "Hemerotica" section on the Linex site? That should be another entry for the Linux Gay Conspiracy post....

Re:Anyone know what this is based on? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4589988)

by the way, hae trolls noted the heerotia section

sex with hemos? Thats fucking dicucsting! Not even the sickest of faggots would have sex with him.

Nominative determinism. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4590002)

Doesn't "Extremadura" mean "extremely hard" ?

Linux is certainly the OS for them, then....

English version (2)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590005)

Has anyone translated the distro to English or some other language than Spanish?

Has anyone here tried it for that matter?

Re:English version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4590017)

Okay, since your a troll posting at +2 you are obviouslly a very good one, I will add you to my foes list now.

i can see it now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4590012)

Microsoft trying to make another switch campaign...
I tried to print and strange error messages popped up and the computer went beepbeepbeepbeep and it devoured my paper. I had to rewrite my paper, and it wasn't that good. It's kinda like...a bummer.

Bad pun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4590052)

I can't believe people are taking this so seriously. Ten thousand machines, a hundred thousand, what does it matter when it's just a bunch of Extremists?

US government damages its own SW industry (5, Insightful)

Baki (72515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590073)

By being so lax on MSFT.

Often it is said that it is only logical, in these times of economic troubles, that the US government does not act too harsh on 'its own' software powerhouse MSFT.

But (apart from the damage it does to other domestic software companies): as can be read in the article, many foreign institutions/governments are very uneasy at the thought of being at the mercy of a single, foreign company (and rightly so). Therefore they abandon (or try to, gradually they shall succeed) MSFT and turn to the only alternative: Linux or other open source solutions.

Not that I oppose this, not at all. But from the perspective of US economic interest, it is clear that this diminishes software export turnover, which is bad. A more effective war against MSFT's illegal behaviour and monopoly would give alternative companies a chance, many of them would also be US companies. They could fill the hole, partly instead of Linux; this would create more choice for everyone, and would make many foreign governments feel more comfortable at the thought of importing and being dependant on foreign software. The net effect for the US trade balance of a harsh attitude against MSFT therefore would surely be positive, instead of negative as is often thought.

[OT] spelling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4590088)

i'm surprised you guys bother to change the spelling to something so complicated as Extramadura, YET.. whenever you guys misspell GHz as MHz and forget trivial spelling, you never bother changing :-D

Outside US key to Linux inside US (5, Insightful)

ToasterTester (95180) | more than 11 years ago | (#4590097)

I was talking about this with people at the SCALE Linux expo yesterday. Linux will have a tough time gaining market share in the U.S. for assorted reasons. But countries outside the U.S. software and hardware costs make running cutting edge system cost prohibitive. With Linux using Linux they can save enough money on software and reinvest in hardware, but also invest in developers to support their business and contribute back to world community. This will help improve Linux and OSS an draw the attention of more U.S. users. Increased use of Linux by business outside the U.S. will give Linux the track record U.S. enterprises want to see.
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