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The Web's Longest Disclaimer

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the that's-gotta-be-a-joke dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 381

An anonymous reader writes "American Airlines are nominated for the 'longest website enduser agreement' category with customers requiring to accept this mammoth 'I accept' dialog before using their site. The tale of the tape includes: 181 paragraphs; 3482 words; and 22411 characters. However even mentioning this is probably in violation of the text."

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Let me guess... (-1, Offtopic)

DCowern (182668) | more than 11 years ago | (#4592992)

It's a slow news day... ;-)

Re:Let me guess... (-1, Offtopic)

Erik K. Veland (574016) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593067)

It's funny. Laugh.

Let me guess... you didn't?

Wow! (5, Funny)

RinkSpringer (518787) | more than 11 years ago | (#4592994)

...and even a printable version, in case my toilet runs out of paper ... now *that* is service!

Hide the Real Stuff (4, Insightful)

e8johan (605347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4592995)

This is probably a way of hiding 'offensive' paragraphs. I'd say that most end-user agreements are too long. A solution to this would be a legal phrasing and a readable phrasing (i.e. a shorter, readable form with the main points).

Re:Hide the Real Stuff (5, Insightful)

The_Shadows (255371) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593030)

Right, but then, of course, who's to say what the important parts are? The company likely wants certain things hidden. They will certainly tell the lawyers what is "important" and what is "not."

I mean, the company may consider it important to let you know that you're forbidden to sell their content. However, they may consider it an unimportant footnote that by entering you grant them power of attorney.

Re:Hide the Real Stuff (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593038)

I think it's up to us to get organized and publish the main points of the various EULAs/disclaimers out there. That'd be a useful website.

Re:Hide the Real Stuff (5, Insightful)

Patik (584959) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593048)

A solution to this would be a legal phrasing and a readable phrasing (i.e. a shorter, readable form with the main points).
Then you'll run into all sorts of legal problems. Who decides what is necessary to tell the user, and what he needs to know? A user may read the paraphrased EULA, then perform an action with the software not specifically outlined in that paraphrased form, while the action is clearly described as illegal in the full legalese EULA version.

Even worse, malicious companies can abuse paraphrasing to hide important information. For example, the shortened EULA for Kazaa (etc) can tell the user what can be done with the software (share and download "files"), but conveniently leave out the legal issues ("files" means only non-copyrighted material). You'll either end up with a bunch of innocent people in trouble with RIAA, or a mess of lawsuits between Kazaa and RIAA because they trick users into clicking "I agree" to an over-simplified statement without explaining the laws in full to the user.

Re:Hide the Real Stuff (5, Interesting)

EraseEraseMe (167638) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593054)

Hiding the meat and potatoes of a legal argument behind a layer of fluff and doublespeak is incredibly common. In a "CYA" society, you've got to expect that they're going to say everything and anything they can to protect themselves from any sort of liability. What they don't realize however, is that these agreements probably wouldn't stand up under any light.

For example, one clause "By using the Site, you represent and warrant that you are 18 years of age or older and possess the legal right and ability to enter into this Agreement and to use the Site in accordance with all of the terms and conditions of this Agreement" could cause more than a number of problems. Say someone under the age of 18 purchases a ticket from them online...now what? are they legally obligated to actually provide a service to this person, even though said customer is technically not allowed to use the site?

The rest of the agreement seems to be pretty standard web-related agreements. Agreeing not to upload/download files (1) to a national or resident of or into any country the U.S. has embargoed, including without limitation, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Syria, or Yugoslavia; (2) to anyone on the U.S. Treasury Department's Specially Designated Nationals list, or (3) to anyone on the U.S. Commerce Department's Table of Denial Orders.

And then at the end of it all, there's the biggest CYA: You may not: S. Engage in any other conduct that is, or that American Airlines deems to be, in conflict with this Agreement.

Moreover, then there's the liability agreement for the agreement at the end:

American Airlines may alter, change or improve the Content at any time and without notice.

Then their privacy policy regarding information they take from you. Although this is a bit of a mind-puzzler:

American Airlines will not treat as confidential any communications you send to us by electronic mail or otherwise. American Airlines has no obligation to refrain from publishing, reproducing, or otherwise using your communications in any way and for any purpose.

First company I've seen doing that...Wonder why.

And then, the final straw: You agree that Texas law governs this Agreement's interpretation and/or any dispute arising from your access to, dealings with, or use of the Site, without regard to conflicts of law principles.

Ouch.

The last paragraph, however, is the greatest laugh-inducer:

If any provision of this Agreement is found to be invalid or unenforceable, then the invalid or unenforceable provision will be stricken from this Agreement without affecting the validity or enforceability of any other provision.

So, they could essentially put "You must name your first child after American Airlines", have it be struck down as idiotic, but the rest of the agreement still stands...nice :)

Re:Hide the Real Stuff-EULAS (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593196)

"The last paragraph, however, is the greatest laugh-inducer:

If any provision of this Agreement is found to be invalid or unenforceable, then the invalid or unenforceable provision will be stricken from this Agreement without affecting the validity or enforceability of any other provision.

So, they could essentially put "You must name your first child after American Airlines", have it be struck down as idiotic, but the rest of the agreement still stands...nice :)"

You must get a lot of laughs then, because I've seen that clause in a LOT of online and offline agreements. Basically if the law says a particular clause doesn't hold up in court the rest isn't invalid. IANAL of course so I can't say how legal that position is.

Re:Hide the Real Stuff (5, Insightful)

Eivind (15695) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593147)

Certainly. But in such an "agreement" all the phrasing is 100% in their favour. The entire thing only says they have all rigths, you have none whatsoever.

Let's look at a few examples:

Engage in any other conduct that is, or that American Airlines deems to be, in conflict with this Agreement.

Now this one is the killer. Notice the OR in there. This one simply says that any conduct which they dislike is in violation of the agreement, whether such conduct is prohibited by the agreement itself or not. In effect this single statement renders the rest of the text meaningless.

American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines.

Nonsense ! By putting up a website they implicitly allow linking to it. If they don't want people to link to it, they can take it down. "Provide reference" is even more ridiculous. Does this mean it's forbidden for me to tell anyone where to find the site ? If not, what does it mean ?

American Airlines will not treat as confidential any communications you send to us by electronic mail or otherwise. American Airlines has no obligation to refrain from publishing, reproducing, or otherwise using your communications in any way and for any purpose. Again nonsense. They assert that simply by accessing their website, I have to consent to their "agreement". What stops me from sending them "communications" with a similar assertment in it ?

You understand that American Airlines owns any and all information or material that you post on a Forum. You agree that you waive all of the rights you have to any information or material that you post on a Forum. American Airlines has the right to do whatever it wishes with that information or material, including but not limited to deleting or editing for any reason any posting by you.

So they own everything, yet in the next paragraph they say that whatever you post to the site is fully your responsibility and they have no obligations whatsoever. Now, which will it be ? Is it *their* material or *my* material ?

You agree to indemnify, defend, and hold harmless American Airlines and its affiliates from and against any and all claims, demands, proceedings, suits and actions, including any related liabilities, obligations, losses, damages, deficiencies, penalties, taxes, levies, fines, judgments, settlements, expenses (including legal and accountants' fees and disbursements) and costs (collectively, "Claims"), based on, arising out of or resulting from your use of the Site,

This says that (among other things) if you buy a ticket on the site, and they make a profit, leading to the need to pay taxes, you need to pay those taxes for them. Really. Read it again !

It goes on, but I think further commenting is needless, the "agreement" is clearly bunk, and I'd like to believe it'd never be upheld in any court in the world. Possible exception for the USA, I recommend people unlucky enough to live there to seek asylum elsewhere.

!= fp (-1, Troll)

bunkie (221331) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593000)

i know this won't be first post.. but its close

probably makes it the most useless agreement (1)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593003)

Seriously, other than lawyers, ppl studying law and judges, who the hell reads these agrements anyway? Does clicking 'I agree' classify as an electronic signature? I mean you could accidentally hit 'I agree'. It isn't like you can accidentally sign a contract from the bank.

Maybe slashdot should open up a 'silly EULA' competition along with the 'silly patents'.

Re:probably makes it the most useless agreement (3, Insightful)

Sn4xx0r (613157) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593036)

I mean you could accidentally hit 'I agree'.

Shut up. If, the next time we need to go past an EULA, we need to type some kind of word shown as an image that can only be read using a mirror, a prism, and polaroid glasses, we all know you're to blame!

Re:probably makes it the most useless agreement (1)

SystematicPsycho (456042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593052)

well.. "It was an accident" has a chance of holding up in court, "I signed it by accident" won't.

Re:probably makes it the most useless agreement (5, Interesting)

Qrlx (258924) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593093)

I think it's IBM that when you are downloading a new BIOS for your ThinkPad or whatever, you actually have to type "agree" for the installer to make the boot floppy with the new BIOS image on it.

What I'm not understanding is why don't we DOS their lawyers, by asking a LOT of technical questions about this "agreement." Like call the 800 number and tell them you have a question about para. 14, line 8 in the online agreement, and you'd like some clarification. Then send certified mail asking the same thing.

It wouldn't acomplish much, but it would make some poor schmuck's day at the office more miserable. Schadenfeude or whatever you call it. It would also be cool to know if there could be such thing of a write-in slashdot effect.

By the way, did you know that when you call AA to book a flight, you could be talking to a prison inmate? [africana.com] I feel warm and fuzzy just thinking about telling convicted felons the exact dates I won't be in my home.

Heh (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593004)

Its not like we really read the disclaimers. The only websites I read the disclaimers are porn sites, because you never know if they say, "By clicking here you agree to be billed $29.99"

"instant enrollment" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593005)

ha ha the URL contains "InstantEnrollment.jhtml".. that's IRONY for you!

I'm sure there are some longer ones than this though, I've seen some that are actually multiple EULAs run together, because they cover multiple services.

And now that I think about, this shouldn't be under "funny", this is fucking sad.

Everybody that visits that page, be sure to click "I DO NOT ACCEPT" so you can let them know that you didn't accept it.

Heh... (5, Funny)

BrainInAJar (584756) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593006)

I checked the EULA out, and apparantly, it is inconsequential weather or not you click "i agree" or "i do not agree"

Clicking "i do not agree" still brings you to the same page...

Re:Heh... (0, Offtopic)

Sn4xx0r (613157) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593051)

inconsequential weather

Every pilots dream...

Re:Heh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593096)

Yeah, what's up with that? An offer you can't refuse.

Re:Heh... (1)

mlush (620447) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593149)

Yeah, what's up with that? An offer you can't refuse.

More like an offer you can't understand

Re:Heh... (2)

dsoltesz (563978) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593180)

Clicking "i do not agree" still brings you to the same page...

I didn't get that - "Accept" takes you to an enrollment form, "Do not accept" takes you to a flight finder that basically is the home page.

From the Website.... (5, Funny)

tanveer1979 (530624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593008)

News Flash: Our site is being attacked by loony hackers. Sorry you cannot book any tickets today.

Probably the first time in history that an airline had to close down due to slashdot.

Re:From the Website.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593023)

So is this considered a terrorist act?

Slashdotting Forbidden ! (5, Funny)

Fruny (194844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593009)

According to this :

O. Take any action that will or could impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our site infrastructure.

Re:Slashdotting Forbidden ! (5, Insightful)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593065)

Touche - I thought they must have had a /. clause in there somewhere. Of course, there's also this line further down:
American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines.
Heh.

Re:Slashdotting Forbidden ! (2, Insightful)

syylk (538519) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593210)

I thought they must have had a /. clause in there somewhere.

What's the problem?

Timothy simply didn't agree to the terms of service!

Voila'!

The webs longest post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593010)

otential energy

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Potential Energy is energy stored in an object or substance. Examples include

* gravitational potential energy stored as a result of the elevated position of an object such as a rock on top of a hill or water behind a dam. It is stated as PEg = mgh , where m is the mass of the object in kilograms, and g is the force of gravity in Newtons at height h in meters.
* elastic potential energy stored as the result of a deformed solid such as a stretched spring. It is stated as PEe = 1/2 kx2 , where k is the spring constant, expressed in N/m, and x is the displacement from the relaxed position, expressed in meters.
* chemical potential energy stored in a molecular substance such as a hydrocarbon, which may be released by a chemical reaction (see oxidation)
* electrical potential energy

Potential energy is closely linked with forces. If the work done going around a loop is zero, then the force is said to be conservative and it is possible to define a numerical value of potential associated with every point in space. For example, gravity is a conservative force. The work done by a unit mass going from point A with PE=a to point B with PE=b by gravity is (b-a) and the work done going back the other way is (a-b) so that the total work done from

A --> B --> A = (b-a)+(a-b) = 0

The nice thing about potential energy is that you can add any number to all points in space and it doesn't affect the physics. If we redefine the potential at A to = a+c and the PE at B to be b+c [where c can be any number, positive or negative, but it must be the same number for all points] then the work done going from

A --> B = (b+c)-(a+c)= b-a as before.

In practical terms, this means that you can set the zero of PE anywhere you like. You might set it to be zero at the surface of the Earth or you might find it more convenient to set it zero at infinity.

A thing to note about conservative forces is that the work done going from A --> B does not depend on the route taken. If it did then it would be pointless to define a PE at each point in space. An example of a non-conservative force is friction. With friction, the route you take does affect the amount of work done, and it makes no sense at all to define a PE associated with friction.

All the examples above are actually force field stored energy (sometimes in disguise). For example in elastic PE, stretching an elastic material forces the atoms very slightly, further apart. Powerful electromagnetic forces try to keep the atoms at their optimal distance and so elastic PE is actually electromagnetic PE. Having said that, scientists rarely talk about forces on an atomic scale. Everything is phrased in terms of energy rather than force. You can think of PE as being derived from force or you can think of force as being derived from PE.

Lexicographical Note: In this document, potential energy is symbolized with PE. However, in most scientific circles, it is symbolized by U. outh Brooksville, Florida

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Maximilian was the son of the Emperor Frederick III. He married (1477-1482) the heiress of Burgundy, Mary, the only daughter of Charles the Bold, duke of Burgundy. Through this marriage, Maximilian obtained the Netherlands and the Free County of Burgundy following Charles's death, though France took Burgundy proper.

Elected king of the Romans in 1486, he became Holy Roman Emperor upon his father's death in 1493. The following year brought French intervention in Italy, inaugurating the prolonged Italian Wars which were to turn in the Empire's favour only after Maximilian's death.

In order to reduce the growing pressures on the Empire brought about by treaties between the rulers of France, Poland, Hungary, Bohemia, and Russia, as well as to secure Bohemia and Hungary for the Habsburgs, Maximilian I met with the Jagiellonian kings Ladislaus II of Hungary and Bohemia and Sigismund I of Poland at Vienna in 1515. The marriages arranged there brought Habsburg kingship over Hungary and Bohemia a decade later. Maximilian was succeeded as Emperor by his grandson Charles V, his son Philip having died in 1506.
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Pawn (chess)

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The pawn is the weakest and most numerous piece in the game of chess, representing infantry, or more particularly pikemen. Each player begins the game with eight pawns, one on each square of his second rank. In algebraic notation the white pawns start on a2, b2, c2, ..., h2, while the black pawns start on a7, b7, c7, ..., h7. Pawns are differentiated by the files in which they currently stand, for example one speaks of "white's f-pawn". Sometimes, however, pawns are still referred to using descriptive notation, e.g. "white's king's bishop's pawn".

Cb pawn move.png
Pawn movement

Pawns are unusual in movement and use. Unlike all the other pieces, pawns may not move backwards. Normally the pawn moves by advancing a single square, but the first time each pawn is moved from its initial position, it has the option to advance two squares. Pawns may not use the initial two-square advance to jump over an occupied square. In the diagram at left, the pawn on c4 may move to c5, while the pawn on e2 may move to either e3 or e4.

Cb pawn capture.png
Pawn capture

Unlike other pieces, the pawn does not capture in the same way as it moves. A pawn captures diagonally, one square forward and to the left or right. In the diagram to the right, the white pawn may capture either the black rook or the black knight. Any piece directly in front of a pawn, friend or foe, blocks its advance.

Cb pawn ep.png
En passant capture

An even more unusual move is the en passant capture. This arises when a pawn uses its initial-move option to advance two squares instead of one, and in so doing passes over a square that is attacked by an enemy pawn. That enemy pawn, which would have been able to capture the moving pawn had it advanced only one square, is entitled to capture the moving pawn "in passing" as if it had advanced only one square. The capturing pawn moves into the empty square over which the moving pawn moved, and the moving pawn is removed from the board. In the diagram at left, the black pawn has just moved c7 to c5, so the white pawn may capture it by moving from d5 to c6. The option to capture en passant must be exercised on the move immediately following the double-square pawn advance, or it is lost and may not be made later.

Finally, a pawn that advances all the way to the opposite side of the board (the opposing player's first rank) is promoted to another piece of that player's choice. The pawn is immediately (before the opposing player's next move) replaced by a queen, rook, bishop, or knight of the same color. Promotion is often called "queening", because the piece chosen is nearly always a queen.

In practice, a promoted pawn is often replaced with a piece previously captured, because standard chess sets do not come with additional pieces. The choice of promotion, however is not limited to captured pieces. It is perfectly acceptable to have, say, three knights, or two or more queens simultaneously in play. In fact, one notable world championship game went for many moves with four queens on the board. When extra pieces are not available, a second queen is often indicated by an inverted rook.

Strategy

Pawns are the source of nearly all of the strategic depth of chess. If pieces are temporarily badly placed, they can be regrouped more favorably. A poorly placed pawn, in contrast, cannot retreat to a more favorable position, it can only advance further.

Chess pawn chain.png
Locked pawn chains

Because pawns capture diagonally and can be blocked from moving straight forward, opposing pawns often become locked in diagonal chains of two or three, where each player controls squares of one color. In the diagram at left, black and white have locked their d- and e-pawns.

Generally speaking, the pawn structure determines the strategic flavor of a game. In the diagram at left, white has a long-term space advantage. White will have an easier time than black in finding good spaces for his pieces, particularly with an eye to a kingside attack. Black, in contrast, suffers from a "bad bishop" on c8, which is prevented by his own pawns from finding a good square and/or helping out on the kingside.

On the other hand, white's pawns are somewhat over-extended and vulnerable to attack. Black can undermine the white pawn chain with an immediate c7-c5 and perhaps a later f7-f6. An advanced piece, when attacked, has the option of retreating, but far advanced pawns are sitting targets.

Chess pawn isolated.png
Black's d5 pawn is isolated

Pawns on adjacent files are strong, because they can support each other in attack and defense. A pawn which has no friendly pawns in neighboring files is isolated. The square in front of an isolated pawn may become an enduring weakness. Any piece placed directly in front not only blocks the advance of that pawn, but can't be driven away by other pawns.

In the diagram at right, black has an isolated pawn on d5. If all the pieces except the kings were removed, the weakness of d4 might prove fatal to black in the endgame. In the middle game, however, black has slightly more freedom of movement than white, and may be able to trade off the isolated pawn before an endagme ensues.

Chess pawn passed.png
White's a4 pawn is passed

A pawn which can't be blocked or captured by enemy pawns in its advance to promotion is passed. In the diagram at left, white has a passed pawn on a4. Black's pawn on g7 is not a passed pawn, because it has to get by white's h2 pawn before it can be promoted. Because endgames are almost always won by the player who can promote a pawn first, having a passed pawn is often decisive.

The diagrammed position might appear roughly equal, because each side has a king and five pawns, and the positions of the kings are about equal. In truth, white has a won game merely on the strength of his passed pawn, no matter who makes the first move.

Chess pawn doubled.png
Black has doubled c-pawns

Sometimes, due to captures, a player may end up with two pawns in the same file, which are then called doubled pawns. Doubled pawns are substantially weaker than pawns which are side by side, because they can't defend each other, and the front pawn blocks the advance of the back one. In the diagram at right, black is playing at a strategic disadvantage due to his doubled c-pawns.

Even weaker than doubled pawns are pawns which are doubled and isolated. A single piece or pawn in front of doubled isolated pawns blocks both of them, and cannot be easily dislodged.

It is rare for a player to have three pawns in a file, i.e. tripled pawns, but it does happen in real games. Depending on the position, tripled pawns may be more or less valuable than two pawns which are side by side.

Disclaimer (5, Interesting)

cebarro (596789) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593012)

Funny - it's quicker to NOT ACCEPT as accepting takes you to the AAdvantage enrollment while NOT accepting drops you right into making a reservation.

Re:Disclaimer (5, Funny)

mizhi (186984) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593215)

Imagine the poor soul that takes the time to read this entire agreement and winds up missing his flight. :-)

Travel Time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593015)

So would it just be faster to hitchhike to where your going rather then read the EULA?

it is a violation! (5, Interesting)

GoatPigSheep (525460) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593016)

However even mentioning this is probably in violation of the text

taken from the disclaimer:

American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines

so yes, you did violate a portion of it :)

Re:it is a violation! (1)

noackjr (541550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593068)

Would it be better to provide this link (see first hit):

Google Search: "american airlines instant enrollment" [google.com]

Does this mean Google is infringing?

Re:it is a violation! (5, Informative)

pacc (163090) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593120)


Does this mean Google is infringing?



Since when are you bound to a contract by reading it?



" If you do not intend to be legally bound by these terms and conditions, do not access and use the Site [aa.com] . "



The obvious solution would be to use [216.239.51.100]
the google cache instead if you want to find out if it's legal for you to go to the Site [aa.com] at all.

And they call this... (1)

raboofje (538591) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593017)

InstantEnrollment.jhtml. Certainly they don't expect users to read the agreement ;). The current tendency to make those agreements larger and larger and larger is a very bad thing: the result is that the casual reader just won't read them any more. A pretty funny example is the 'FriendGreeting' online greeting card, where the software politely asks your permission to mail the card to every one in your address book. Everyone just seems to press 'I Accept' - and that is totally understandable. Maybe indeed there should be a mandatory 'this license at a glance'-section for those things.

This article is probably illegal :) (5, Interesting)

rehabdoll (221029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593020)

"You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise."

If you cant even display it, how is it legal to even review the agreement? :D

Re:This article is probably illegal :) (5, Insightful)

Performer Guy (69820) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593186)

Nobody posted any of the contents. Of course it's legal to mention it. Besides, you don't have to accept the agreement to read it, or comment on it so you are not bound by it in any way.

Re:This article is probably illegal :) (1)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593197)

``If you cant even display it, how is it legal to even review the agreement?''
Because it doesn't say anything about displaying it for _personal_ use. At least, not in the part you cited. Cheers!

"So don't accept... (5, Funny)

gafferted (560272) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593021)

Clicking "I do not accept" appears to still grant access to the site.

So I can still book a flight without agreeing to donate my firstborn to their catering department.

Andrew

Re:"So don't accept... (5, Funny)

screwballicus (313964) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593175)

donate my firstborn to their catering department.

At least maybe then the food would be edible.

MOD PARENT UP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593194)

that shit is fuckin funny.

EUA Violations (1)

Associate (317603) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593022)

"However even mentioning this is probably in violation of the text."

Not to mention linking without approval.

AAs AllAdvantage Program or Website? (3, Insightful)

spacefight (577141) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593024)

It's about AAs frequent flyer program, not about the whole site (the title and the URL says it):

If you choose not to accept these terms, you may enroll in the AAdvantage program offline by contacting AAdvantage Reservations/Customer Service.

USA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593025)

Born in the USA... Yeah, baby!

I miss one paragraph (5, Funny)

roguerez (319598) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593028)

"You're not allowed to use our planes to fly them into buildings."

They wrote it for a reason (5, Insightful)

hoegg (132716) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593031)

I decided to scroll around it for a minute and happened upon this gem:

You agree and understand that you will not bring against AMR Corporation, American Airlines, or any of its affiliated entities, agents, directors, employees, and/or officers any class action lawsuit related to your access to, dealings with, or use of the Site.

I mean, that's stupid. If your incompetent network admin leaks the travel schedules of me and 10,000 other Americans, we "voluntarily" waive the right to sue you?

If I was me (and I am), I would simply choose another airline who doesn't want to try and hoodwink me into something I will regret.

Re:They wrote it for a reason (2)

SlashChick (544252) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593057)

"If I was me (and I am)..."

Thanks for clarifying that. ;)

Re:They wrote it for a reason (5, Informative)

thejk (575418) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593078)

Actually, they probably cannot enforce that, if it comes to it. For a reference, see the recent ruling [uscourts.gov] for Comb v. PayPal. Basically, you cannot make end users give up their basic legal rights through EULA, etc., if I understand the ruling correctly. But, hey, IANAL. Somewhat off-topic, it really bothers me that EULAs and most legal documents are, well, written in abstruse legalese. Is anyone aware of a movement in the US to limit the use of complex legalese in favor of plain engligh? I have found the following sites on google, but they are mostly for other countries -- except one that refers to the Michigan Bar effort.
  • UK: www.plainenglish.co.uk/law.html
  • India: http://www.globallawreview.com/lr8.html
  • Michigan Bar: http://www.michbar.org/committees/penglish/columns /131.html

If we're hack and you loose money, not our fault. (1)

dszd0g (127522) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593032)

That's the main thing I got out of a quick skim. It's your responsibility to protect your pass code, but if their system is compromised and someone places an order on your account, it's your fault and they are not liable for any damages that you suffer.

The typical BS that is in almost all EULA.

The Highlights (5, Funny)

KarmaBitch (562896) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593033)


American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site

Oops. Sorry Slashdot.. You've been bad


American Airlines will not treat as confidential any communications you send to us by electronic mail or otherwise. American Airlines has no obligation to refrain from publishing, reproducing, or otherwise using your communications in any way and for any purpose.

Thank You for respecting my privacy

------------

An example of lawyers that don't understand technology

Download or upload files that may damage the operation of another's computer, such as computer viruses, corrupt files, or similar software


When was the last time you downloaded something that hurt a website :D

Ohh.. I'm sure there's more intresting stuff in there... And I'm also pretty damn sure it's not the longest EULA...

Re:The Highlights (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593060)

>> Download or upload files that may damage the operation of another's computer, such as computer viruses, corrupt files, or similar software

>When was the last time you downloaded something that hurt a website :D


Um, about 10 seconds ago. It's called the slashdot effect. :-p

Re:The Highlights (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593084)

When was the last time you downloaded something that hurt a website :D

I believe the downloading of web pages en masse, aka Slashdotting, would fit this definition.

Lawyers need jobs too :) (1)

caluml (551744) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593041)

Well, it keeps the lawyers in work.

Disclaimer - I am not a lawyer.

Sorry (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593043)

YHBT YHL HAND!

Sorry - Can't Link to the Site either... (2, Interesting)

xean (443223) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593044)

The license does state that you are not allowed to link to the site...
  • American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines.
I hope timothy didn't accept the license before posting the story.

It does appear that most of it has been stolen from any other terms and conditions page and hacked around to fit American Airlines... Especially all those bits about using their website to distribute files that shouldn't be distributed (who's going to use AA to distribute mp3's?!?!?)

Re:Sorry - Can't Link to the Site either... (1)

noackjr (541550) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593104)

Actually if you click on the "Legal" link in the footer, the "no-link" clause is valid even if all you do is view the page. Thus, the only link you could legally post would be a link to the http://www.aa.com/, as this doesn't require you to have visited the site at all. The implicit license is therefore not in force.

<requisite>IANAL</requisite>

ha (1)

irve (603789) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593045)

1. Open Mozilla
2. Open page with DOM Inspector in sidebar
3. Find the textarea with the text (VERY deep)
4. Right-click and delete it.
5. Accept

One coudl also use the venkman eval to make the text editable and then write your own EULA.

Re:ha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593062)

Venkman? Dr. Peter Venkman?

Wow.. (2)

popeyethesailor (325796) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593047)

Even the Google cache appears slashdotted by diligent Karma whores. Hell, here's a link [216.239.53.100] , in case anyone's interested.



Note: Posting under a hack3d a/c to prove that i'm a karma donator.

If they screw up (2, Insightful)

Mika_Lindman (571372) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593053)

"You agree to indemnify, defend, and hold harmless American Airlines and its affiliates from and against any and all claims, demands, proceedings, suits and actions, including any related liabilities, obligations, losses, damages, deficiencies, penalties, taxes, levies, fines, judgments, settlements, expenses (including legal and accountants' fees and disbursements) and costs (collectively, "Claims"), based on, arising out of or resulting from your use of the Site, including without limitation any Claims alleging facts that if true would constitute your breach of this Agreement."

So if you book a ticket online, and they screw up, you can't get your money back?

The law is lacking (4, Insightful)

weiyuent (257436) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593055)

This is a perfect example of how inadequate laws make life cumbersome for both corporations and their customers.

From the company's standpoint, EULA's could be a real headache, because the company has to hammer out pages upon pages of legalese to cover its own arse.

From the consumer's perspective, ever-expanding EULA's are just as much a nuisance as a potential pitfall when not read properly. It becomes impractical to read them, yet the less you read them before agreeing, the more you expose yourself to being taken advantage of.

The solution is more laws and better laws, and this is where the government CAN do good. If most things that are common sense can be nailed down in public law (i.e. we're not responsible if you scald yourself with hot coffee, we will not spam you, etc.), then EULAs could be trimmed and focused on the unique essentials of a particular situation. That would benefit both consumers and corporations. The only losers in this situation would be all the parasitic lawyers and the sneaky folks with dubious EULAs (*cough* Microsoft *cough*).

Re:The law is lacking (1)

Mitreya (579078) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593205)

Problem is, that the conditions tend to change from the case to case. I suspect that even a reasonable commonsence set changes from case to case. Also, you really do not want a law for every commonsence thing that could occur. There is probably too many of those :)


I was under the impression that an EULA will not hold in court, which is where it will end up sooner or later when some *serious* conflict with the customer will occur.

I bet... (1)

lendude (620139) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593066)

...somewhere in the later third there's a clause reading... "So you've read this far? SUCKED IN!!!"

What's wrong with it? (5, Interesting)

Nept (21497) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593077)

I think the key line in that agreement is
Likewise, [...] this agreement will be considered broadened to the extent needed to permit [...] third parties to operate within the terms of a written agreement they have entered into with us.
In other words, this policy you have to agree to is only valid as long as it doesn't interfere with agreements AA has and will make with 3rd parties. Which basically means, you're agreeing to anything that AA and its partners agree to.
It reminds me of a lot of EULAs/policies where there is a long list of who the company might and might not share information with and may seem very stringent, but at the very end of the list is a short give away line to the effect that they can share the information with anybody.

Also, it would be illegal according to the terms of the agreement to post this policy here, as in their policy you agree not to "copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit" any of their HTML code or "the content of the Site" for public or commercial purposes.

You're not allowed to look at the site anyway.. (5, Funny)

Dynamoo (527749) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593082)

The T&Cs say you must not: M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.. This means that you can't visit the site to read it, surely since that involves monitoring the site with a manual process (i.e. reading it).

Or how about the fact that you must not: O. Take any action that will or could impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our site infrastructure. So no posting on Slashdot either!

Mimed by Airhostesses? (5, Funny)

ukryule (186826) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593088)

Couldn't they provide a version of their 'terms & conditions' which includes a little video with airhostesses miming actions to clarify it...

"Our trademarks and logos are protected *here* and *here* ... When you reach paragraph 17 masks will automatically drop from the compartment above. Please ensure that your rights have been securely passed to us before helping those sitting next to you ... etc"

That way everyone could click on the "I accept" after ignoring the whole thing with a clear conscience!

Breaks two records! (2)

Anenga (529854) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593089)

One for the longest disclaimer, and one for the most un-read disclaimer. Hmmm... wonder why?

Dueling banjos - be warned! (3, Interesting)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593092)

Forum for actions, governing law, and procedural restrictions
You agree that this Agreement is made and entered into in Tarrant County, Texas. You agree that Texas law governs this Agreement's interpretation and/or any dispute arising from your access to, dealings with, or use of the Site, without regard to conflicts of law principles.
So if you do happen to, um (looks again at EULA) get busted for swapping copyrighted pr0n on the American Airlines website, you will be under the thumb of Texas law - an institution known as not quite as bad as getting on the bad side of the mob, but since the jails are privately owned and run for profit, it's probably a bad place to be, no?
Never trust a Texan.
--A line from some movie about Geronimo.

You didn't actually read it did you .... (2)

taniwha (70410) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593097)

"American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site"

Which has got to be just about the stupidest thing possible .... a web site no one's allowed to link to is one that no one can access.

That's plain wrong (1)

lightweave (522226) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593173)

If I put up my personal website anybod can access it who finds it even without any link to it.
If I tell you the URL of my website you can type it in and access the pages. No link involved. Of course for a company it is much better to get as many links as possible pointing to their site, because it is inevitable that some yousers will click it and some of them will even buy.
There are users at ebay who will even bid on used toilet paper so it is plain stupid to not allow any links. Even if you could enforce this.

Re:You didn't actually read it did you .... (2)

alizard (107678) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593198)

Perhaps the largest search engines should be told about this. Wouldn't it be a shame if that site suddenly became invisible to anybody not willing to find AA's URL from a print source and type it in?

Not that I have anything against the company personally, but a company that invokes Darwin should get the consequences they asked for.

just hit "I do not accept" (2, Funny)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593098)

Did you try hitting the "I do not accept" button. It gives you the exactly same services as the "I accept" does. Does this mean, that now I can just break any rules they stated in that legal jargon :) ?

Re:just hit "I do not accept" (2)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593099)

Ohh, actually it does not give you the same services. It just redirects you to the "Make a reservation page". Still, applying the things stated in the Disclaimer makes the whole thing look like a joke.

Classic, funny disclaimer... (5, Funny)

antdude (79039) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593106)

I found it many years ago:

This product is meant for educational purposes only. Any resemblance to real persons living or dead is purely coincidental. Void where prohibited. Some assembly required. List each check separately by bank number. Batteries not included. Contents may settle during shipment. Use only as directed. No other warranty expressed or implied. Do not use while operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. Postage will be paid by addressee. Subject to CAB approval. This is not an offer to sell securities. Apply only to affected area. May be too intense for some viewers. Do not stamp. Use other side for additional listings. For recreational use only. Do not disturb. All models over 18 years of age. If condition persists, consult your physician. No user-serviceable parts inside. Freshest if eaten before date on carton. Subject to change without notice. Times approximate. Simulated picture. No postage necessary if mailed in the United States. Please remain seated until the ride has come to a complete stop. Breaking seal constitutes acceptance of agreement. For off-road use only. As seen on TV. One size fits all. Many suitcases look alike. Contains a substantial amount of non-tobacco ingredients. Colors may fade. We have sent the forms which seem right for you. Slippery when wet. For office use only. Not affiliated with the American Red Cross. Drop in any mailbox. Edited for television. Keep cool; process promptly. Post office will not deliver without postage. List was current at time of printing. Return to sender, no forwarding order on file, unable to forward. Not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect, error or failure to perform. At participating locations only. Not the Beatles. Penalty for private use. See label for sequence. Substantial penalty for early withdrawal. Do not write below this line. Falling rock. Lost ticket pays maximum rate. Your canceled check is your receipt. Add toner. Place stamp here. Avoid contact with skin. Sanitized for your protection. Be sure each item is properly endorsed. Sign here without admitting guilt. Slightly higher west of the Mississippi. Employees and their families are not eligible. Beware of dog. Contestants have been briefed on some questions before the show. Limited time offer, call now to ensure prompt delivery. You must be present to win. No passes accepted for this engagement. No purchase necessary. Processed at location stamped in code at top of carton. Shading within a garment may occur. Use only in a well-ventilated area. Keep away from fire or flames. Replace with same type. Approved for veterans. Booths for two or more. Check here if tax deductible. Some equipment shown is optional. Price does not include taxes. No Canadian coins. Not recommended for children. Prerecorded for this time zone. Reproduction strictly prohibited. No solicitors. No alcohol, dogs or horses. No anchovies unless otherwise specified. Restaurant package, not for resale. List at least two alternate dates. First pull up, then pull down. Call toll free number before digging. Driver does not carry cash. Some of the trademarks mentioned in this product appear for identification purposes only. Objects in mirror may be closer than they appear. Record additional transactions on back of previous stub. Unix is a registered trademark of AT&T. Do not fold, spindle or mutilate. No transfers issued until the bus comes to a complete stop. Package sold by weight, not volume. Your mileage may vary. Known as Hellman's east of the Rockies. Beware of greeks bearing gifts. Beware of gifts bearing greeks. This side up. Don't take any wooden nickels. Don't take candy from strangers. Void where prohibited. Caveat Emptor (Buyer beware) Caveat Vendor (Beware of street people). Donde esta el bano. Beware of DOS. Look both ways before crossing the street. All your base are belong to us. Always wear safety belt. Always wear deodorant. Don't forget to breathe. If you park, don't drink...accidents cause people. This supersedes all previous notices.

This modified disclaimer may not be copied without the expressed written consent of whoever I stole it from.

slashdotted (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593107)

here is a mirror here [goatse.cx]

Jesus, enough already! (5, Insightful)

tulare (244053) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593109)

I mean, come on. Has it dawned on anyone else out there that these butt-covering disclaimers are becoming meaningless? What I'd really like to see would be a court opinion to the general idea of "the agreement was written in Legalese, which is no more readable to the person agreeing to the contract than Latin or Esparanto. Given that the person agreeing to the contract could not reasonably be expected to hire an attorney to understand his or her rights before clicking OK in order to buy airline tickets (or install Windows, ahem), the EULA as given is essentially an unenforcable abrogation of constitutionally protected rights. Therefore, the EULA in its entirety is invalid."

Of course, some fucknut tort lawyers would have to get real jobs, but I promise to lose 10^-30 seconds of sleep over that one.

Yeah, I know, I'm dreaming. Is that my alarm clock?

No web crawlers? (5, Interesting)

riflemann (190895) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593111)

Interesting to note from the agreement:

[You shall not] Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

However:

$ wget http://www.aa.com/robots.txt
--10:23:00-- http://www.aa.com:80/robots.txt
=> `robots.txt' Connecting to www.aa.com:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not found
10:23:01 ERROR 404: Not found.

So they've not got a robots.txt file. Do they expect web crawlers to read and understand this also??

But will it stand up in court? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593113)

I ask this because I clicked the DO NOT ACCEPT button and was still taken into their site to a booking system. Does this mean I can breach their TOS and they can do jack sh*t? LOL

But I haven't accepted the agreement yet so (3, Funny)

ninthwave (150430) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593115)

American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines. You are also denied permission to use any trademarked or copyrighted material to provide such hyperlinks or references, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines. American Airlines bears no responsibility for sites that provide hyperlinks or references to the Site unless those sites are operated by American Airlines.

Is it illegal if I haven't agreed? [aa.com]
What can they do to me [aa.com]
Why do they care if people link to them [aa.com]
What a load of rubbish [aa.com]

Sorry probably a waste of ones and zeroes but not as much as that dribble. The agreement says it is to protect your privacy while using the site but if you read the whole agreement they can do what ever they want with third parties, no recourse to tell you and the agreement can be changed at any time anyway. They aren't protecting privacy at all in that document in fact it looks pretty much like they have already sold their customers down the river and added a clause in the agreement that you can not sue them for anything that results from using the site, like the selling of personal information.
So the agreement should read
We can and will sell your information to third parties.
If you use this site you can not sue us.
It would be an easier read at that.

But the can't hyperlink clause is funny.

pure BS (1)

master_p (608214) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593117)

Nothing is legal unless backed up by a law signed by the government. So this EULA is pure BS.

I'd like to nominate... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593125)

I'd like to nominate this [gnu.org] as the longest license.
I wouldn't even call it a license, it's political gibberish.

I hear the feds knocking on my door now... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593128)

Introduction

Thank you for visiting the American Airlines web site titled "aa.com" (the "Site"). In return for gaining access to the Site and using it, you agree to be bound by the following Agreement without limitation or qualification, so please carefully review this Agreement before proceeding. If you do not intend to be legally bound by these terms and conditions, do not access and use the Site. American Airlines reserves the right to change this Agreement and to make changes to any of the products or programs described in the Site at any time without notice or liability. Any such revisions are prospectively binding on you and therefore you should periodically visit this page when you use the Site to review the then current Agreement that binds you. American Airlines also reserves the right in its sole and unfettered discretion to deny you access to the Site at any time. American Airlines enters into agreements with third parties from time to time to provide our customers with the opportunity to obtain special services, products or prices offered by the third party. You will not be deemed to be violating this agreement when acting in accordance with the terms and conditions of any such program. Likewise, the terms and conditions in this agreement will be considered broadened to the extent needed to permit such third parties to operate within the terms of a written agreement they have entered into with us. The titles in this Agreement are provided only for your convenience and are not to be used in interpreting the Agreement.

Intellectual property notifications

Unless otherwise noted, all information, AAdvantage account information, articles, data, images, passwords, Personal Identification Numbers ("PINs"), screens, text, user names, web pages, or other materials (collectively "Content") appearing on the Site are the exclusive property of AMR Corporation or American Airlines, Inc., or their subsidiaries and affiliates:

A. All information, products, services and software contained on or used in the Site ("Content") is Copyright 2002 by American Airlines, Inc. All rights reserved. Please assume that everything you see or read on the Site is copyrighted to, or used with permission by, American Airlines unless otherwise noted.

B. The trademarks, logos, service marks, and trade dress (collectively the "Trademarks") displayed on the Site are registered and unregistered Trademarks of American Airlines, Inc. or others.

C. Images of people, objects, or places displayed on the Site are either the property of, or used with permission by American Airlines, Inc., American Eagle Airlines, Inc., AMR Corporation, AMR Training Group, TWA Airlines LLC or AMR Investment Services.

D. American Airlines owns or uses by permission all software contained on the Site, including without limitation all HTML code and Active X controls. Copyright and other laws and international treaty provisions protect this software. The law expressly prohibits any modification, redistribution, or reproduction of the software, and such actions could result in severe civil and criminal penalties. American Airlines will seek and support prosecuting violators to the maximum extent possible.

E. You may not copy, display, distribute, download, license, modify, publish, re-post, reproduce, reuse, sell, transmit, use to create a derivative work, or otherwise use the content of the Site for public or commercial purposes. Nothing on the Site shall be construed to confer any grant or license of any intellectual property rights, whether by estoppel, by implication, or otherwise.

F. For additional information regarding American's intellectual property, please click on the "Copyright" link at the bottom of any page.

Your representations and warranties

By using the Site, you represent and warrant that you are 18 years of age or older and possess the legal right and ability to enter into this Agreement and to use the Site in accordance with all of the terms and conditions of this Agreement. You accept financial responsibility for all use of the Site under your name or account, including without limitation all uses of your account by others, including minors living with you. You may allow other members of your household to use the Site under your name or account only if you agree to pay all charges that they incur and to be responsible for all other aspects of their usage. You further agree to supervise all minors who use the Site under your name or account. You agree not to assign, transfer, or sublicense your rights pursuant to this Agreement.

Your indemnity obligation

You agree to indemnify, defend, and hold harmless American Airlines and its affiliates from and against any and all claims, demands, proceedings, suits and actions, including any related liabilities, obligations, losses, damages, deficiencies, penalties, taxes, levies, fines, judgments, settlements, expenses (including legal and accountants' fees and disbursements) and costs (collectively, "Claims"), based on, arising out of or resulting from your use of the Site, including without limitation any Claims alleging facts that if true would constitute your breach of this Agreement.

Limitations on your use

American Airlines provides the Site solely to permit you to determine the availability of goods and services offered on the Site and to make legitimate reservations or otherwise transact business with American Airlines, and for no other purposes. The Site is for your personal, non-commercial use. You agree that you will use the Site's services only to make legitimate reservations or purchases for you or for another person for whom you are authorized to act both legally and under the terms of this Agreement.

You agree that without limitation you shall not make any false reservation or any reservation in anticipation of demand. If American Airlines determines that you have confirmed multiple reservations to one or more destination on or about the same date, American Airlines may without notice cancel all confirmed space associated with the multiple reservations. You agree to abide by the terms and conditions of purchase American Airlines imposes including, but not limited to, payment of all amounts when due and compliance with all rules regarding availability of fares, products, or services. You are completely responsible for all assessments, charges, duties, fees, and taxes arising out of your use of the Site.

Your account information is owned by and proprietary to American Airlines. While you may access your account information through the Site, you may not give access to your account to any person or entity other than a member of your household or a person that you directly supervise as part of your career or employment. You may not give access to your account to any third party on-line service, including, but not limited to any mileage management service, mileage tracking service, or mileage aggregation service.

You must access your account information directly through the Site and not through a third party web site, including but not limited to any mileage management service, mileage tracking service, or mileage aggregation service. You also violate this Agreement if you enable an AAdvantage member to access account information without visiting the Site.

You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:

A. Distribute, disseminate, post, or publish any information or material that degrades, embarrasses, harasses, humiliates, intimidates, or threatens any individual or group of individuals on the basis of their age, ancestry, color, ethnicity, marital status, medical condition, mental or physical disability, national origin, race, sex, sexual orientation, union or nonunion affiliation, or any other basis protected by federal, state, or local law or ordinance.

B. Abuse, defame, harass, stalk, threaten, or otherwise violate others' legal rights, including but not limited to rights of privacy and publicity.

C. Download or upload files that may damage the operation of another's computer, such as computer viruses, corrupt files, or similar software.

D. Download or upload files that contain materials, including but not limited to software that violate the intellectual property, privacy, or publicity rights of others unless you own, control, or have been authorized to exercise such rights.

E. Misrepresent or omit the origin or source of any file you download or upload.

F. Download or upload files that do not contain the posted proprietary language, author attributions, and/or copyright, patent, or trademark notices.

G. Distribute, disseminate, post, or publish any indecent, infringing, obscene, or unlawful information or material.

H. Engage in any commercial purpose including but not limited to:
1) Advertising or offering to sell any goods or services.
2) Conducting contests or surveys.
3) Distributing chain letters, or advertising with respect to any Ponzi scheme or pyramid scheme.
4) Advertising or offering to sell any business opportunities, direct sales opportunities, employment, independent contractor positions, multi-level marketing opportunities, or securities.

I. Post, send, or otherwise disclose confidential information, trade secrets, or other confidential and/or protected proprietary data of any entity or person, including but not limited to AMR Corporation, American Airlines, Inc., American Eagle Airlines, Inc., AMR Investment Services, AMR Training Group or TWA Airlines LLC, or any of their affiliates.

J. Download or upload files that you know, or reasonably should know, cannot be legally distributed through the Site.

K. Upload, download, or otherwise export or re-export software from the Site: (1) to a national or resident of or into any country the U.S. has embargoed, including without limitation, Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Syria, or Yugoslavia; (2) to anyone on the U.S. Treasury Department's Specially Designated Nationals list, or (3) to anyone on the U.S. Commerce Department's Table of Denial Orders.

L. Copy or create derivative works from, display, distribute, license, perform, publish, recreate, reproduce, sell, transfer, or transmit any information, products, services, or software obtained by, from, or through the Site.

M. Monitor or copy any Content by using any manual process, or any robot, spider, or other automatic device, without first obtaining American Airlines' prior written consent.

N. Act as an agent or attorney in fact for any person who is not:
1) A member of your immediate household; or
2) Your direct supervisor at your place of employment.

O. Take any action that will or could impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our site infrastructure.

P. Act as a mileage management service, mileage tracking service or mileage aggregation service for any AAdvantage member.

Q. Access information about any AAdvantage member protected by site log-in and post it on any other web site, with or without that AAdvantage member's consent.

R. Utilize an AAdvantage member's password or personal identification number during log-in, unless you are:
1. The AAdvantage member to whom that password or personal identification number is assigned (the "Authorized AAdvantage member");
2. A family member of the Authorized AAdvantage Member, acting with the Authorized AAdvantage Member's permission; or
3. An employee of the Authorized AAdvantage Member's employer, acting with the Authorized AAdvantage Member's permission.

S. Engage in any other conduct that is, or that American Airlines deems to be, in conflict with this Agreement.

American Airlines forbids such Misuses, and access of the Site for any such Misuses or other similar purposes is an unauthorized use of the Site.

No warranty by American Airlines

The Content may contain inaccuracies and/or typographical errors. American Airlines may alter, change or improve the Content at any time and without notice. American Airlines makes no representations or warranties as to the Content's completeness or accuracy, and makes no commitment to update the Content. American Airlines makes no representations about the Content's suitability for any purpose.

YOU USE THE SITE AT YOUR OWN RISK. THE CONTENT IS PROVIDED "AS IS" AND WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, MERCHANTABILITY, NON-INFRINGEMENT OR TITLE. IN NO EVENT SHALL AMERICAN AIRLINES OR ITS AFFILIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES (WHETHER CONSEQUENTIAL, DIRECT, INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, SPECIAL OR OTHERWISE) ARISING OUT OF, OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH, THE USE OF OR INABILITY TO USE THE SITE OR FOR ANY OF THE CONTENT OBTAINED THROUGH OR OTHERWISE IN CONNECTION WITH THE SITE, IN EACH CASE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER SUCH DAMAGES ARE BASED ON CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, TORT OR OTHER THEORIES OF LIABILITY, AND ALSO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER AMERICAN AIRLINES WAS GIVEN ACTUAL OR CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE THAT DAMAGES WERE POSSIBLE.

American Airlines neither warrants nor represents that your use of information and material on the Site will not infringe upon the intellectual property rights of third parties. American Airlines shall not be liable for any virus or other damage to your computer equipment or other property due to your accessing, browsing, or using the Site or due to your downloading any audio, data, images, materials, pictures, text or video from the Site.

Because American Airlines provides services and products in many parts of the world, the Site may refer to certain goods, products, and/or services that are not available in your area. A reference to goods, products, and/or services without limiting their geographic scope does not imply that American Airlines offers or intends to offer those goods, products, and/or services in all locations.

Use of information you provide American Airlines

Consistent with the American Airlines privacy policy, we ask you to provide us with certain information when you purchase travel or when you take advantage of certain personalized services. You agree that when you provide such information, the information will be accurate. Under no circumstances will you provide false or misleading information. We agree to use this information in a manner consistent with our privacy policy. To review our privacy policy, please click on the "Privacy Policy" link at the bottom of any page.

For use of certain services, we may provide you with a pass code. This pass code is proprietary to and the property of American Airlines. However, you must take precautions to insure the security of your pass code. American Airlines assumes no responsibility for and will not be liable in the event that another person learns your pass code or uses your pass code to cause damage to you.

While American Airlines takes reasonable steps to safeguard and to prevent unauthorized access to your private information, we cannot be responsible for the acts of those who gain unauthorized access, and we make no warranty, express, implied, or otherwise, that we will prevent unauthorized access to your private information. IN NO EVENT SHALL AMERICAN AIRLINES OR ITS AFFILIATES BE LIABLE FOR ANY DAMAGES (WHETHER CONSEQUENTIAL, DIRECT, INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE, SPECIAL OR OTHERWISE) ARISING OUT OF, OR IN ANY WAY CONNECTED WITH, A THIRD PARTY'S UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO YOUR INFORMATION, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER SUCH DAMAGES ARE BASED ON CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, TORT OR OTHER THEORIES OF LIABILITY, AND ALSO REGARDLESS OF WHETHER AMERICAN AIRLINES WAS GIVEN ACTUAL OR CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE THAT DAMAGES WERE POSSIBLE.

No offer to sell or buy securities

The information on the Site does not constitute an offer to sell, or the solicitation of an offer to buy any securities and must not be relied upon in connection with any investment decision.

Links to other sites and to the Site

The Site may provide hyperlinks or references to other sites. While American Airlines endeavors to provide links only to sites that are reputable and safe, we take no responsibility for the information, products, or services obtained on such other sites and will not be liable for any damages arising from your access to such sites. American Airlines provides any such links to other sites merely for your convenience and our inclusion of such links and frames in the Site does not imply an endorsement of the linked or framed sites, their content, or the persons or entities operating those sites. Therefore, you assume sole responsibility for using links or pointers to third parties.

American Airlines specifically denies you permission to hyperlink or provide references to the Site, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines. You are also denied permission to use any trademarked or copyrighted material to provide such hyperlinks or references, unless you are allowed to do so under a separate written agreement with American Airlines. American Airlines bears no responsibility for sites that provide hyperlinks or references to the Site unless those sites are operated by American Airlines.

Your communication with us

American Airlines will not treat as confidential any communications you send to us by electronic mail or otherwise. American Airlines has no obligation to refrain from publishing, reproducing, or otherwise using your communications in any way and for any purpose.

American Airlines does not accept or consider unsolicited proposals related to its business, including but not limited to proposals for advertising campaigns, logos, names, processes, products, promotions, services, slogans, and technologies. American Airlines therefore requests that you not send such proposals. Please also refrain from sending original creative artwork, blueprints, demonstratives, designs, layouts, photographs, or samples. American Airlines has adopted this policy to prevent claims that we have copied such unsolicited ideas without authorization, when, in fact, we developed the idea independent of or even long before receiving the unsolicited proposal. If you do send us unsolicited proposals, then do so with the understanding that American Airlines may use any concepts, ideas, inventions, know-how, or techniques that you disclose in those communications for any purpose, including the developing, manufacturing, and/or marketing of goods, products, or services. American Airlines may do so free of any obligation to compensate you for that use.

Comparison monitoring of on-line chats or telephone conversations with American Airlines

The Site may provide you the ability to have an on-line chat session with American Airlines or with information as to how you can contact American Airlines by telephone. You may use these functions only for business purposes related to the Site. For quality assurance purposes, American Airlines may monitor, record, and/or transcribe the contents of these communications. By contacting American Airlines, you agree that the communication may be monitored, recorded, and/or transcribed and you consent to the monitoring, recording, and/or transcribing. Such records may be kept indefinitely or disposed of at our discretion.

Your use of Forums

You agree to use any bulletin boards, chat rooms, conferences, or other communication or message facilities ("Forums") contained on the Site only to send and receive material and messages that are proper and related to the particular Forum. You further agree that you will use the Forums in conformity with all applicable laws and this Agreement. You agree that you will not Misuse a Forum.

American Airlines reserves the right to remove at will and without notice any Content on the Site, including anything you post in a Forum. You understand that any use by you of a Forum constitutes a public communication. You understand that American Airlines owns any and all information or material that you post on a Forum. You agree that you waive all of the rights you have to any information or material that you post on a Forum. American Airlines has the right to do whatever it wishes with that information or material, including but not limited to deleting or editing for any reason any posting by you. You further acknowledge that American Airlines does not endorse or sponsor any information or material posted by Forum users, and that American Airlines has no responsibility to approve, review, or screen such information or material.

Forum for actions, governing law, and procedural restrictions

You agree that this Agreement is made and entered into in Tarrant County, Texas. You agree that Texas law governs this Agreement's interpretation and/or any dispute arising from your access to, dealings with, or use of the Site, without regard to conflicts of law principles. Any lawsuit brought by you related to your access to, dealings with, or use of the Site must be brought in the state or federal courts of Tarrant County, Texas. You agree and understand that you will not bring against AMR Corporation, American Airlines, or any of its affiliated entities, agents, directors, employees, and/or officers any class action lawsuit related to your access to, dealings with, or use of the Site.

Other terms

This Agreement constitutes the entire agreement governing your access to, dealings with, and use of the Site. Of course, separate agreements may attach to any goods, products, or services you obtain, purchase, or use from the Site. In the case of a conflict between this Agreement and any agreement specific to any goods, products, or services that you obtain, purchase, or use from the Site, the terms of the specific agreement shall govern.

Any failure of American Airlines to assert any rights it may have under this Agreement does not constitute a waiver of our right to assert the same or any other right at any other time or against any other person or entity. If any provision of this Agreement is found to be invalid or unenforceable, then the invalid or unenforceable provision will be stricken from this Agreement without affecting the validity or enforceability of any other provision.

Readability (2, Funny)

scot4875 (542869) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593130)

I especially like how nicely formatted and spaced it is, ensuring optimum readibility.

Block-right text and no paragraph breaks? It almost looks like a Slashdot comment...

--Jeremy

I don't see the problem (1)

pavera (320634) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593131)

Granted its a draconian crazy license...
but companies are required to cover their butts, people who own their own companies know this... its obscene the amount of things that companies can be sued for...

At any rate, its not even that bad, ever signed up at Ameritrade? Etrade? any of those places, the agreements you have to read/agree to are thousands of times longer than that...

Anyway, the agreement isn't really that long (I signed an 8 page agreement when I got cable internet access... I've signed many many 4 or 5 page agreements, the lease on my apartment was 6..) so the internet is getting more ecommerce, and with that come obligations on the part of companies, and agreements that the consumers must make... fine.. life goes on.

Holy Bullets Batman! (4, Funny)

coene (554338) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593133)

"You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:"

You know the EULA is too long when on a "you will not" clause, the bullets go all the way to the letter S

Too bad... (1)

imag0 (605684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593136)

I wanted to bad to clear out the text box and put in "Here at AA, we love our lawyer's cock."

That I would have accepted.

Anecdote... (5, Interesting)

shic (309152) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593144)

While an undergrad, one course (taught in Prolog) required all the students to take a given program, amend it and provide hardcopy traces of the output after each of the 5 stages to show that the program "still worked." Leaving aside the inherent flaws (which I could argue mean the original program could never "work!") I stumbled upon the documentary requirement placed on students. Two of us produced the first phase of the first part's printed documentation and a projection that a complete answer would cost tens of thousands of pounds in paper and ink and take several years to print even given exclusive use of the university's fastest printers. When challenged, the lecturer (who set this dastardly task) explained that all he really wanted was a 'heavy' submission from each student - in order to dissuade moderators from questioning the grades he deemed appropriate as they would have no desire to wade through a few hundred pages of output before making their case!

The sooner people realise that documentary complexity and volume doesn't gain advantages the better. It would be great to see a shift in opinion about such treatise requiring that the document be taken as a whole - and considered void in it's entirety should it contain anything redundant, unnecessarily convoluted or not legally binding. If this doesn't happen, I can only envisage licenses plummet further towards their own obsolescence.

This is a great resource (2)

KidSock (150684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593151)

If I ever want to create a license agreement I can just refer to their site. They have everything in there. I can just take the bits an pieces that sound official, change the wording a little, and voila! poor mans EULA.

Is this legal??? Rather funny! (1)

lightweave (522226) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593153)

I just brwosed throuhg the text and was wondering that they claimed the "Intelectual Property" "right" even on such things like numbers ("PINS"). Really funny that one. Another thing that I nocticed. In the agreement you agree that you are over 18 and have the right to enter such an agreement. The nice thing about this. What happens if you are below 18 or even 13 and still sign it and do some things on it. At least here in Germany such a binding is void and the company that accepted it has all the disadvantages of it. It can't even go to the parents for refunds (or whatever the term is) unless they can really show that the parents approved of it.

Google Mirror (1)

Nick Harkin (589728) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593154)

Google Mirror [216.239.51.100]

and if you ever do book, just click, i agree, it take you to the same place. ????

Slashdotting illegal! (3, Funny)

infolib (618234) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593155)

"Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:
...

O. Take any action that will or could impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our site infrastructure.

Timothy, take down that link!

Editors....do your job! (4, Informative)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593163)

I went to the American Airline site, and the story is simply wrong. You can use the site just fine, without ever seeing that agreement. You only see the agreement when you try to sign up for their frequent flyer program.


There is nothing at all newsworthy here, for nerds, or anyone else. Come on, editors...don't accept junk like this.

A pet peeve of mine... (1)

George Walker Bush (306766) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593164)

Even worse than long legalese disclaimers/EULAs is when web sites put them in a @#$@#$@# text field widget!

Text fields are intended for USER INPUT, not for the purposes of displaying text. Is there a reason why they couldn't have just put the text as regular HTML text on the page?

Is it to inconvenience users by forcing them to click frequently, and thus discouraging them even more from reading it?

Re:A pet peeve of mine... (1)

TheSunborn (68004) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593178)

They do it to get the scrollbar for the text, so the user can click the "I Agree" button widtout having to scroll. Stupid maybe, but atleast they do have a reason.

Martin Tilsted

Nothing to see; move along please. (2, Interesting)

Godwin O'Hitler (205945) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593169)

Sorry, but as a translator I have had quite a few major web sites to translate and this EULA (read "charter" in most other languages) is neither shorter nor longer in any significant way than most others I've seen. For obvious reasons, I'm not going to say what these other sites are (professional ethics...), but I will say that since words are my billing units, meaning I have to count them every time, I know what I'm talking about. 3000 to 4000 words is commonplace -- and believe me, translating them is boring!

Slashdot article is in violation ! (3, Funny)

Natal VC (197118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593184)

> However even mentioning this is probably in violation of the text.

Yep:

"You agree that you will not Misuse the Site. "Misuse" includes, but is not limited to, using the Site to do any of the following:

[..]

O. Take any action that will or could impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our site infrastructure."

- N.

Muahahahaha! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593191)

I guess it doesn't even really matter...I clicked on the "I do NOT accept" button and still got on the site.

Pay lawyers $100,000 to write a perfect agreement but pay a web master only $200 and the whole things goes to hell. :)

hook

You can't violate the text (3, Informative)

noz (253073) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593193)

"...even mentioning this is probably in violation of the text."

You can't violate the EULA if you don't accept it. If you don't accept it, I guess you can't fly American Air!

This isn't a disclaimer about using their site... (1)

furchin (240685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593214)

This deals with enrolling in the AAdvantage program. You can still buy a ticket from them, you just can't get the frequent flier miles :)
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