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Moving to Mac Made Easy

pudge posted more than 11 years ago | from the here's-switch-in-your-eye dept.

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Jaguar777 writes "According to an article on CNET, Apple has a new weapon in its campaign to woo PC users: a $59 piece of software that makes the switch to Macintosh easier. Detto Technologies has started selling Move2Mac, a combination of software and a custom USB cable that helps PC users move many of their files, settings and even background pictures to a new Mac running Mac OS X 10.2. Sounds nice. Is there anything like this in the works for the penguin masses?" Detto has had software to move settings from one PC to another; Apple requested them to make it to move from a PC to a Mac, and will carry it in their retail stores.

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most important feature (4, Funny)

nick-less (307628) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593532)

and even background pictures

thats clearly a "must have" feature, take your background pictures with you whereever you go, from pc to mac, from mac to cellular, from cellular to the fridge door ...

Re:most important feature (1, Insightful)

larien (5608) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593549)

For some (l)users, their background picture is very important...

Re:most important feature (4, Funny)

SecGreen (577669) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593715)

These background pictures could contain copyrighted content. This Move2Mac product is obviously designed to circumvent the digital rights of artists, and should be banned immediatly!

i've seen the pc version (2, Informative)

mitzman (523507) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593534)

I used to work at Best Buy and we had the PC2PC cable that this article is talking about. It never worked. The cable is definitely a sham and a waste of money. It takes more time to set it up and pray that it works right than it does to just burn a couple of cd's of data. Oh and this cable doesn't copy programs over, just data files. So in my opinion, save yourself the money and buy something else.

Re:i've seen the pc version (1)

xiaix (247688) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593552)

And in what way would moving the program files over from the pc to the mac be useful?

Re:i've seen the pc version (1)

mitzman (523507) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593572)

It wouldn't be any good, but I'm talking about the pc2pc cable, not the move 2 mac cable.

Re:i've seen the pc version (0)

thesadmac (599744) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593558)

Obviously it'd be pretty damn useful to copy all those lovely windows binaries over to your Mac wouldn't it?

Though you do have a point. You could just stick a 5 quid network cable between the two machines and use windows file sharing/ftp/etc, or even burn a CD. But that's not really for beginners is it?

Re:i've seen the pc version (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593627)

> opy all those lovely windows binaries over to your Mac wouldn't it?
Yeah, Boch ;)

> But that's not really for beginners is it?
Nor does it auto set your desktop background.

Great (4, Insightful)

Hi_2k (567317) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593535)

Now, get me one for linux that also includes a good windows emulator. But, more to the point, the problem has never been ease of use or cusomisibility, but a lack of specilized software that has hurt both mac and linux as a desktop OS. Just getting the neat wallpapers over wolnt convert many people. Still, a step in the direction of instant easy access to all data.

Jay and Silent Bob hate Macs! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593536)

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Make it free (5, Insightful)

dhardman (613726) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593537)

If I were Apple (which I am not) I'd have this bundled with 10.2 and promote the living daylights out of it. This is the type of tool that PC users have been waiting for. This is one of those rare software applications that would be worth it's weight in gold to the OS company to take under it's corporate wing.

Very nice (2, Insightful)

Omkar (618823) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593538)

Tools like this can help shake MS's Windows monopoly. When people can move to different OSs easily, and work with people of different OSs, differences in quality will finally start to drive decisions.

Re:Very nice (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593618)

People often chose the OS by looking at what software they want to run. This only moves a few files around, doesn't make a Mac run Windows software.

Re:Very nice (1)

mj_1903 (570130) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593659)

Although any windows software that is worth anything is on mac anyway. If your software ain't there, its in a shareware repository or its on fink.

All my files? (-1, Flamebait)

McFly69 (603543) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593540)

What if I am running customized on-bootup scripts (i.e. connect to my mp3 audio server)? What about all my wma files? Once moved can they be played? Since it is moving all my files, shall I assume all of my PC games will be moved and work correctly also? Soemthing tells me no, just another gimick.

You need a cable (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593550)

to remove your head from your ass!

Re:All my files? (5, Insightful)

sirinek (41507) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593609)

If you are writing custom scripts to do stuff like connect to servers automatically on bootup, then you are not in the majority of users who dont know how to move their stuff over from one computer to another, and are not one of the people being targeted with this product.

Re:All my files? (3, Funny)

polin8 (170866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593633)

though if you have to wonder about your game (programs) moving and working, maybe you are.

Re:All my files? (2, Informative)

great om (18682) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593616)

there is a version of microsoft's media player for OS X, I've used it to watch wmv.
it is supposed to work fine with wma too

Apple's next step (2, Insightful)

steve.m (80410) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593544)

A better move would be for Apple to sell cheaper Mac's - I can't afford an iBook and I don't want an iMac or an eMac:

I want a Mac about the size of a SPARCclassic, with a fast 3D card, a dvd+burner and all the rest of the Apple goodness, but with no monitor. I've got my own perfectly good 17" sony. Why can't I get one of those!

Re:Apple's next step (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593613)

Oh cmon, I'm tired of people complaining about how expensive Macs are. I'm a Marine, I earn below the minimum wage, in fact well below the poverty line. I take home $2012 each month after taxes. With that, I have to pay ~$1000 (USD - Yen rate fluctuates) plus food, gas, adsl etc and provide for my wife and 2 kids. Yet I can afford an ibook, and old PC, and just ordered an iMac for the wife. They are not that expensive, if you just manage your money and save for a while. I'm sure someone in the IT industry could do better than me ;)

Re:Apple's next step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593636)

$2012 is below the poverty line?! Which one - the one between "rich people" and "not so rich people"?

Hate to tell you, your lifestyle in Japan is supported by taxes paid by the Japanese people, and it's definitely not unusual to be making less than that in Japan.

Re:Apple's next step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593672)

I make $9/h, and take home about 1.3k per month.
That's about $2.50 more than the min wage where I live.

Re:Apple's next step (4, Informative)

weez75 (34298) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593634)

Just hold tight until Wednesday. Apple is releasing new iBooks and TiBooks. The new iBooks will start at $999 and TiBooks at $2299. They'll both get quicker processors and in some cases larger harddrives. No Superdrives this time around so you might have to wait to burn DVDs.

Re:Apple's next step (3, Informative)

BlueGecko (109058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593644)

I want a Mac about the size of a SPARCclassic, with a fast 3D card, a dvd+burner and all the rest of the Apple goodness, but with no monitor. I've got my own perfectly good 17" sony. Why can't I get one of those!
You do know that any monitor can be used with a Mac, right? Even my PowerBook has VGA via an adaptor provided with the machine. Beyond that, if you cannot afford the current model you want, just buy a used one a generation back. You should be able to get a SuperDrive model for about $1300-$1400, which you're not going to convince me is that much more than a well-built equivalently priced PC.
A better move would be for Apple to sell cheaper Mac's - I can't afford an iBook and I don't want an iMac or an eMac:
iBooks start at $1199 and will be lowered to $999 tomorrow if the rumors are true. How much cheaper do you want, exactly?

Re:Apple's next step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593671)

You should be able to get a SuperDrive model for about $1300-$1400, which you're not going to convince me is that much more than a well-built equivalently priced PC.

Emphazis mine. Nuff said.

Re:Apple's next step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593648)

You can get one of those. We just got a new Mac tower unit. Dual-867's, GeForce4, 512ram, takes 4 internal drives + CD drives (and can do software raid), DVD/CD-RW...

$1699 (+discount from Warehouse)... no monitor.

The only problem is, I can't remember what a SPARCclassic looks like. If I remember, it's a small box. Either that, or it's a mammouth machine... just... can't... recall...

Re:Apple's next step (0, Offtopic)

Nomad37 (582970) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593682)

i can't believe you people modded this up: what if I ask for an x86 box that runs os x or for apple to adopt be os for os xi? honestly what sparky wants for christmas is hardly insightful now is it?

Re:Apple's next step (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593699)

Well, the CUBE was such machine. Absolutely stunning, price tag included.

Migration from linux? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593546)

Migration from PC to linux? LINDOWS!

Horray for crappy software!

Re:Migration from linux? (1)

mezzin (578393) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593607)

They just miss crossover office and supply you with wine with isn't prime time yet. Take xandros os that is much better ;-)

How about.... (2, Insightful)

ZoneGray (168419) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593547)

If they want to make it easier to switch, all they have to do is drop the price 50%.

MOD PARENT FUCKING UP YOU DORKS!!!Re:How about.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593560)

Re:How about.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593598)

How are they going to pay that guy for the groundbreaking decision to make the plastic at the front of the case blue if they don't charge 100% more than PC builders charge for roughly the same hardware?

Re:How about.... (1)

ninthwave (150430) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593649)

Roughly the same hardware.
What is your definition of roughly, that it is a processor with some extra stuff?
I am not a Mac User my last mac was a 4400. But I have always admired Apple for using cutting edge to high end technology in their machines. Price a machine with the same specs as an iMac on a pc. 17 inch flat screen DVD CD-R fire wire ports, network cards and all. And you have similiar costs.

Re:How about.... (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593622)

Yes, God forbid that they should make money from people who want to buy their products...

Re:How about.... (1)

Mononoke (88668) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593623)

If they want to make it easier to switch, all they have to do is drop the price 50%.
No, no. They should make them FREE!

And they should be based on x86 architecture, and have all the legacy ports ever used, and put Windows on them ('cause, you know, Solitaire), and 5 1/4" floppy drives, and a DVD+R drive, and a DVD-R drive, and, and, and...

They probably could drop the price 50%, but I don't really want to run MacOS on PackardBell hardware.

Re:How about.... (5, Insightful)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593681)

They drop the priced 50%, they go from generally decent profits and occasional losses to big losses all the time. Sales would go up, but not fast enough to get them out of the rut they were in during the Amelio days -- they were selling lots of machines and had a viable long-term stragegy, but people didn't buy Macs because quarter after quarter of red ink had Wall Street convinced that Apple was going out of business soon and so a Mac purchase would be wasted money.

Also, a lot of the price premium you pay goes into R&D (vs. the "Windows tax" you pay when you buy a new PC from just about any major maker, which goes straight into Microsoft's PR and legal departments.) The reason Apple's software is "insanely great" -- and their hardware, if not i.g., is pretty damn good -- is because they spend the time and money (especially the money) to do things right.

Yes, yes, Linux has accomplished great things with a largely open, low-cost development model. But there are a few viable ways to develop great software -- open source is one (although it's worth noting that an awful lot of Linux goodness comes from paid developers) and real corporate R&D is another; perhaps the best model is what Apple's doing, which is combining the two. The MS way, which involves a complete lack of real R&D and a team of developers which seems dedicated mostly to ripping off other people's work, is not one of these ways.

Before you write this off as mindless anti-MS, pro-Apple propaganda, consider this: I was one of the very few who did switch from PC to Mac during the Amelio years. I did so because I realized just how bad MS software (which I'd been using for years) was getting, and I decided that I didn't mind paying a few more bucks if it got me a computer that did what I wanted it to, when I wanted it to, with a minimum of fuss. And I've never regretted that decision.

Hands up if you want this? (3, Interesting)

falser (11170) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593551)

Honestly this doesn't sound like the kind of advertarticle that appeals to the Slashdot crowd. It's fairly simple to change background images, email settings and so on - I don't know anyone who's too lazy to do that. And I imagine many people around here do as I and use a fileserver to store their important information (who trusts their desktop computer?).

Re:Hands up if you want this? (3, Insightful)

thisisatest (120597) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593605)

Ah, but ease-of-use products like this are exactly the type of thing that sells.

Sure, you could duplicate it with a crossover cable, a shell script or two, and an ftp server, but that's not the point. The point is that something like this appeals to the broad segment of the computer-using population that is incapable of generating such a setup themselves, and is equally unlikely to find the freeware equivalent on the web which we'll imagine is named 'desKtopKopier' or 'Klone' or the totally descriptive 'Imperiator'.

I'm pretty damn good at creating search queries, and I still have a hell of a time finding simple little applications online of this sort - the kind of thing that I could create myself, but would rather save myself the time.

Marketting money is great fun. Not so sure about the name 'Move2Mac', either, but whatever.

Re:Hands up if you want this? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593723)

> It's fairly simple to change background images, email settings and so on - I don't know anyone who's too lazy to do that

Does it worth 49$ to do it yourself ? How much does your time cost ?

There is definitely a market for that sort of tool. In the PC->Mac case, apple should give the tool with the OS.

Reason: your co-worker, girlfriend, father could get an acocunt on your Mac OS X machine to try it with his real documents. That would be killer.

Anyone ELSE notice the SILENCE around KATZ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593553)

and his ABSENCE?

oh, btw, max are over priced, underperforming sax of shit. And no one cares except easily impressed fag-boys (THAT's what made me of katz).

Re:Anyone ELSE notice the SILENCE around KATZ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593569)

Yes. He has finally shut his trap for quite some time.

Let's not jinx it, okay? I like it like this.

Moving to a Mac (3, Informative)

catwh0re (540371) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593554)

This software has actually been out for a while.

In addition to this software apple has the following guide on how to move common settings over to a mac should it not be intuitive already. Guide to Switching to a Mac [apple.com].

Mouse settings? (5, Funny)

swb (14022) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593555)

What about my mouse settings? Acceleration, double-click speed, button assignm...er, nevermind.

- 1, old unfunny and not relivent joke. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593589)

DOn't the new macs support 32 buttons by default?

So this is funny how?

Re:Mouse settings? (2)

Qbertino (265505) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593601)

Nittpicker.
Macs got all the mousespeeds you need:
slowest, slow, normal, fast, fastest

Ain't that enough?

What we can offer (2)

Jon Abbott (723) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593556)

About the only thing Linux users can offer to ease the move for Windows users is a free clue stick beating... :^)

(Moderators: That was a joke.)

Re:What we can offer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593661)

Shouldn't "Slashback" be called "Backslash"?

It's a pun on 'flashback', dork.

Re:What we can offer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593693)

Nah...the sort of people who want to make that switch are rabid zealots. Beating them with a clue stick wouldn't stop them.

Missing software (1, Funny)

overturf (193264) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593563)

Cool, so now I've got my data over on the Mac. Too bad 85% of my programs don't exist in that environment! :)

Re:Missing software (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593590)

Yeah, like WHAT programs? I totally have all the same crappy programs on the Mac thta I have on my PC. I don't like Windows so I'd even suck it up and run much lesser programs just so I could tell my friends I'm running on a mac. They're all so jealous cause they hate Windows too.

Re:Missing software (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593611)

They should just opensource all these apps then. It'd be totally simple for the OSS community to port them to mac and bsd-proper and all 12 cool versions of linux. Stupid money-grubbing companies just want to be the next microsoft. Charging money for software is for communist hippies!

Passing To Penguin... (1)

Tsali (594389) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593566)

Not to troll, but it's called a CD burner, my friend. Just turn off the Joliet and you're penguinning anywhere.

Nothing to see here... move along...

Re:Passing To Penguin... (1)

sirinek (41507) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593620)

Joliet works fine in Linux, did you forget to compile it in?

siri

Re:Passing To Penguin... (1)

Tsali (594389) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593684)

SuSE 8.0 doesn't have it by default... but it is compiled as a mod. You have to tweak it.

For Joe User, I find it easiest to shut it off, yet still allow long filenames (albeit with underscores).

Good point though....

t.

Re:Passing To Penguin... (4, Informative)

Zigg (64962) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593625)

Everything supports Joliet now. Even Mac OS X, which was a great sigh of relief to me when I upgraded my wife's machine.

Darn straight: same as 4x CD burner (2)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593656)

it's called a CD burner

Darn straight. According to the product FAQ sheet [detto.com], the transfer rate is about 650 MB in 20 minutes. That's the same as an ancient 4x CD burner; even a 2-year-old Plextor burner is 12x.

Just turn off the Joliet

If you don't turn on Joliet or Rock Ridge, you're back to 8.3 file names (hope you've zipped, stuffed, or tarballed the files beforehand). Do both Windows and Mac OS understand Rock Ridge?

Here's a $15 shareware extension [tempel.org] to make Classic Mac OS recognize Joliet and Rock Ridge discs.

An obvious answer (4, Funny)

HiQ (159108) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593571)

Is there anything like this in the works for the penguin masses?

Sure dude, It's called a brain...

Slashpost (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593573)


* Make it free/OS ( +5 Informative )
* Macs are expenive ( +3 Informative )
- No they are not ( +1 Informative, -1 Troll )
- Yes they are
- fuck you
- You a wanker and a twat
- repeat forever.
* Macs are slow ( +3 Informative )
- No they are not ( +1 Informative, -1 Troll )
- Yes they are
- Suck my cock dick head
- I know you are, but what am I?
- repeat forever.
* Mac is not really/fully commited to OS, it sucks ( +5 Informative )
* Clone it for Linux ( +5 Informative )
- Don't clone it for linux, if you can't move your files your a thick bastard and should not use linux ( +5 Informative )
- Piss off dickhead
- fuck you
- repeat forever.

* Slashpost ( -1 Repeating everything allready said )

Re:Slashpost (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593606)

Missed two:

* Mac only has one button ( +5 Funny )
* Mac has no software ( +5 Informative )
- What software are you missing ( -1 offtopic )
- Nor does Linux ( -1 offtopic, troll )

Linux has something similar (2, Informative)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593578)

I believe some distros, Lindows for instance, will offer to transfer your personal data when you stick in the CD before installation. I know one of them will copy across personal documents, email (settings and mail itself), bookmarks and so on.

This could be made a lot slicker however, for instance copying across chat program settings, proxy configuration and so on. I was going to suggest Wine integration, so your Windows apps appear in the Linux menus, but thinking about it Windows normally has so much garbage on it I wouldn't want that, and anyway Wine works better when apps are installed into it.

Nice idea from Apple, although methinks the real problem isn't transferring background pictures, the real problem for them is applications. Most windows users have 1 or 2 oddball apps that they simply MUST have, on top of all the usual suspects. I've met people who won't consider anything that doesn't run one particular brand of scrabble game for instance, and most Windows users often have hobbies or even jobs based around such things as well. When Apple figure out how to get Windows apps working on MacOS (don't think it'll happen myself) then this will be more than just a gimmick.

Re:Linux has something similar (1)

paiute (550198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593679)

I've been using this thing called Virtual PC for a while on my 266 G3. Revolutionary! Runs Win95 better than my state of the art Dell Optiplex GXi at work.

VirtualPC (2)

Perianwyr Stormcrow (157913) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593722)

Connectix' Virtual PC will run all those little, random windows applications very nicely.

Just about the only thing you can't do on Virtual PC is play very heavy games- but you're doing that on your Mac natively, right?

Partial Solution - Still Gripes (5, Interesting)

andy_geek (522404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593582)

As a long time Mac user, I recently convinced my wife to take the plunge and switch from W2K to a shiny new iBook. While she loves the form and function of the 'book, and she loves how all the apps work, migration of her data was a beee-otch! This software really wouldn't have done anything to resolve the big issues: moving calendars and email. I was able to to this through several machinations because I (huzzah!) am a trained IT professional (and I'm used to dealing with M$ making it as difficult as possible to move from PC-to-Mac). But if she had to do this on her own, or more-to-the-point, if all of the other mom-and-pop's out there who Apple is targeting with their "Switch" campaign had to do it alone, she would have booted the iBook across the room and gone back to her namby-pamby W2K box.

Apple really needs to address this: they've done a good job stating the case as to WHY a "switch" would be in user's interests: they damn sure need to make this process simple, bulletproof and COMPLETE, before they find a lot of people switching their sorry keisters back to Windows faster than you can say "Blue Screen of Death".

OK.

+1: Use of '$' in stead of 'S' in 'MS'. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593669)

If I knew kharma was that easy to get, I wouldn't be allowed only 2 posts a day...

Re:+1: Use of '$' in stead of 'S' in 'MS'. (2, Funny)

andy_geek (522404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593702)

One takes ones Karma where one can get it. Just wait until Sun pisses me off one day: the $'s in Sun Solaris make me salivate.

Old News (1, Interesting)

nileshch (194481) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593593)

This is quite stale news. Dating back to 17th July [macnn.com].

Re:Old News (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593680)

How is an article link to a story about the SAME FUCKING TOPIC modded -1: OFFTOPIC?

I hope I see this one in meta... I thought it was an interesting/informative post, for what it's worth.

Hey st00ped! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593595)

Mac is as stupid as a trompoline.. If you want to stop using your brains, then go and buy a Mac. For those of us who want to keep our brains in top sharp condition, PC / real Unix hardware is the only suitable choice. Who would want to use Aqua/Jaguar which runs on top of Darwin which runs on top of the lame piece of shit MACH MICROKERNEL!

New York City, My City Of Ruins ;(

I won't move to Mac. Make Mac move to me (3, Insightful)

ThaReetLad (538112) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593597)

If i've spent £1000+ on a uberPC with everything, I dont want to have to switch hardware to run MacOS. Apple will never seduce Windows users while their investment in hardware cannot be transported over.

We all know that M$ is an evil monopoly but I think the reason why they're a monopoly is because Apple refused to compete with microsoft on the commodity PC platform. For years microsoft had no decent rival on platform that brought computing to the masses. OS2? I was a joke at best. Apple had (and has) decent software, but until they grow some balls and decide to play with the big boys.

We see the effect and penetration that Linux is developing on the desktop in the Red Hat and SuSe form, and that is fighting against the established monopoly. This proves that there is, and probably always has been, a market for a real alternative to Windows for existing windows users, but which has been left sadly vacant for years. Had Apple decided to stop making hardware and just sold software, perhaps we would not be in the trouble we are now in regarding MS vs DOJ etc.

All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Microsoft may be evil, but Apple could be accused of having done nothing to stop it, when perhaps they were the only ones who could have.

Re:I won't move to Mac. Make Mac move to me (4, Insightful)

andy_geek (522404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593630)

I think you're mistaken on this. Yes, your hard-earned 1000 quid went into that box, but we both know it'll be obselete within a year (oh, quit moaning: it's true!). Computer buyers are becoming savvy enough to know this (I know, not ALL of them, but many of them). Therefore, I don't think it's a stretch that some people will think: "Hmm, I gotta blow a buttload of money on an item that'll last me about as long as an ice cream sandwich - how about I get one that does stuff better, looks better, and doesn't crash?" No, we're not talking about scads of people using this logic, but some do. Apple is beyond trying to win back substantial marketshare from WinTel (face it, they lost), but modest gains are suitable, and the types of users who might think this way are precisely the people Apple wants as a user community.

I am certain Apple is happy to have an idiot like me pontificating about what THEY want. :)

Re:I won't move to Mac. Make Mac move to me (1)

mirko (198274) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593697)

it'll be obselete within a year (oh, quit moaning: it's true!)
Well, except if you actually use your config : I am a musician and I just can't even envision some switch from pc to mac : I'd have to buy cubase or to switch to the recently-acquired-by-Apple-Emagic Logic (Yes, I know, they'll give you the cubase2logic upgrade at a lower price but even...), I'd also need to put both of my soundcards and their corresponding drivers...
In short, I'd actually have to spend more after acquiring the Mac itself in order to achieve the same level of functionality.
Now, not even in my wildest dreams : my PC is my musical instruments and, as this, I should keep it for quite a long time.

Re:I won't move to Mac. Make Mac move to me (1)

andy_geek (522404) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593725)

Your PC is not a musical instrument: it's a tool, dummy. I'm a musician, too, and feel it's not only plausible, but preferible to using a PC. Yes there's expense, and yes there's hassle. But if you really view your PC as an instrument then you should want the Stratavarius, not the Suzuki.

USB?? (2)

twoslice (457793) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593631)

Why use USB when one can use 10/100Mbs Ethernet? It goes a lot faster than USB and all you would need to sell is a cheap X-over cable.

59 bucks!?! (1)

cenonce (597067) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593639)

I be more inclined to buy a switch for 50 bucks and a couple of ethernet cables. Far more useful in the long run!

Isn't that what the heck Samba is for anyway!?!

-A

If apple had a brain.. (5, Funny)

mumblestheclown (569987) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593647)

If apple had the sense god gave a marshmallow, it would make the migration software free.

Re:If apple had a brain.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593685)

That's phase 2.

1) Let 3:d party make kick-ass application.

2) Bankrupt third party by including functionality in OS.

ratings (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593713)

I'm quite sure that if someone on /. said the same thing about a linux distribution, the comment would get a 0 flamebait score. Instead, it gets a 2.

Anything for Penguin Masses? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593651)

> Is there anything like this in the works for the penguin masses?

Yes! It's called dual boot. Mount the windows partition, and everything is there!!

It's easy to change (1)

Ikoma Andy (41693) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593657)

After, the alternative is staying with Microsoft. That's a lot of motivation to change.

You're not thinking like a 'user' (5, Insightful)

splateagle (557203) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593658)

judging by the posts so far most of you are missing the point here: this isn't aimed at those of us who could cope with the (ahem) complexities of copying files onto a CDR, it's aimed at Mr. and Mrs. Joe User - people who just want their computer to work, but bought a Windozer first time 'round.

These people are Apple's target audience with the whole Switch campaign (of which this gizmo is a devlopment). Chances are that if you're the kind of user who can do this for yourself (and lets face it copying files ain't rocket science) you'll already have made the switch (assuming you're not a: happy with what you've got and/or b: convinced that the hardware is too expensive... but I'm not going *there*)

Get a Crossover Cable (1)

1000101 (584896) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593660)

I have an XP box and an iBook. Go buy a crossover CAT 5 cable and use AIM/DirectConnect/or any other file sharing program out there. It's alot cheaper that way too. And if you have 100bT NIC's in both machines it's alot fast than USB as well. :)

I'd like to see it handle Outlook .pst files (2, Informative)

irishkev (457679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593662)

Good luck!

Pause...

I just checked and NOPE it won't migrate Outlook crap. I didn't think so. Those files are a nightmare.

From their faq.

Does Move2Mac migrate email?
Move2Mac will move and convert the address book and POP3 settings for Outlook Express on the PC to Mac OS X 10.2 Mail.

Outlook Express DOES NOT MEAN Outlook 2000!

Why is this a problem? (3, Funny)

Observer (91365) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593663)

Surely MS-Office for Windows and MS-Office for Mac can interoperate without trouble?

(Ducks and runs)

Re:Why is this a problem? (1)

mj_1903 (570130) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593707)

They sure can, but they are discussing the ability to transfer files from your beige box to your new iMac, something that doesn't require translation fortunately. Otherwise, us Mac users would be screwed. :-(

Re:Why is this a problem? (4, Insightful)

BlueGecko (109058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593720)

I'm not quite sure what you're driving at, but both versions of Office interpolate very well. I have never, ever sent a Word document to a colleague that he could not open, even when I use extremely advanced features, and similarly have never had any problem opening any Word document (except that an embedded WMA file would not play for obvious reasons). Ditto for Excel and PowerPoint, and again, even for very complex documents.

Definitely for newbies (2)

jukal (523582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593665)

I would believe 99.5% of Slashdot readers handle the task much better, faster and with more choices without the softare.

Select the music, photos, files and folders to move, so your new Mac isn't cluttered with unwanted files. Eliminates the hassles. Transferring data to a new computer can be tricky. Move2Mac does it safely and securely, freeing you from any hassles.

I don't know, but based on the marketing speech, there is not much "intelligence" in this software. The reason why it sounds easy, safe and secure for the Joe Average, is probably the fact that it is marketed as a software created just for this "single task" and it is therefore much more easy to buy and understand it.

Sleeping Keyboard Troll (0, Offtopic)

Kalak (260968) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593676)

Where is our obligatory troll [slashdot.org] from the user who won't buy a Mac because of the keyboard. Afterall, he's a long time "UNIX" user. Can't have an OS X posting w/o him. He must be asleep. Did ucontrol [gnufoo.org] finally get him to look for something else to rant about, like the number of mouse buttons?

It is actually pretty cool. (5, Informative)

stinkwinkerton (609110) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593683)

I used it when I got my laptop to copy all my mail, dialup, desktop settings to my laptop. It ended up catching all that crud I always forget. Laptop and desktop both have the same "feel" now at about 1/4 the time for a setup (win2k to WinXp.) No, it didn't copy games and applications, but it copied the settings for some if not most of the apps... I can't remember if it copied my PC Anywhere stuff but I think it did. It definately copied all my playlists and MP3's. Just tell it what you want moved or not then let it do its thing. (Downside: USB1 was slower than molasses in January.)

AutoCAD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4593688)

I'd really like to move to either OS X or Linux, but until AutoCAD gets ported to either of them (or an emulator can handle AutoCAD 2000 or higher), there's no way I'm switching.

Oh, and ArchiCAD is good, but it's just not the industry standard.

PC-users ??? (2)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593696)

Sounds cool... I'm a pc-user, and I use Linux on it... Does this software work then or is it just like the PC-virus thing... They actually mean MS-Windows but they call it PC.

Another thing... It WOULD be cool to have an import thing for MS-Windows users who are installing Linux on their PC. Don't need new hardware so that's alot cheaper :-) That's one of the big hurdle's to switch... If I switch to a Mac and don't like it, I can't install MS-windows (I CAN install Linux, I know, but usually that's not where people come from) on it.

There is actually some work done by the Mandrake people... You can import the fonts (one of those, 'dmn, Linux is buttugly' features) from your Windows partition.

The market is small businesses? (2)

ianscot (591483) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593704)

This is probably mostly for migrating your small office over? It sure can't be aimed at individuals in the slashdot audience; who here's intimidated by moving desktop images, you know? (Who even cares?) But I could see it if you were the IT guy, trying to make the move for your office.

This'd go in your grab-bag of tools with other utilities. The licensing packs hint at who they're really intending to sell to, too; it starts at a 5-user pack.

Penguin masses (5, Insightful)

wheany (460585) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593711)

Is there anything like this in the works for the penguin masses?
It would never get done. First of all: Nothing on Linux is easy. Second: When when you finally decide something like this needs to be done, you'll spend the next 2 years arguing about open formats and extendability just in case you need to migrate from Linux to BSD in the future. Third: You'll probably name it something like Gnuve2Gnuc...

Move to Linux on the same box (2)

hey (83763) | more than 11 years ago | (#4593716)

Of course, with Linux - unlike the Mac - you can
install it on a new partition and mount your
old PC stuff inside Linux. No need to copy it to
the Linux side ever.
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