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Apple Gives Laptops Speed Bumps

pudge posted more than 11 years ago | from the but-i-want-a-laptop-that-is-not-encased-in-metal dept.

Portables (Apple) 766

sockit2me9000 writes "Apple released their new PowerBook today. They include faster processors across the board (up to 1GHz), Radeon 9000 GPUs, and the top-of-the-line model will include a slot-loading SuperDrive. Price points remain about the same. New iBook was released as well."

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FP (-1, Troll)

Hooya (518216) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607808)

FP

Nice going, voting moron majority! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608053)

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Suddenly, items that had been bottled up in the Democratic Senate have new life. President Bush has new hopes for action on his conservative slate of judges, his energy plan calling for drilling in Alaska's wildlife refuge, and the policies he favors on topics such as homeland security, terrorism insurance and prescription drug coverage...Another priority for the White House will be passage of Bush's "faith-based" initiative to boost religious charities.

--

This country is going to hell in a handbasket...

This is great!! (1, Funny)

Stefman (37546) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607813)

It was a lot more than what the rumor sites were predicting!

Re:This is great!! (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607845)

Indeed, but for us Europeans, they have not realized that now $1 is very close to 1. I expected Apple to put roughly the same pre-tax cost on both sides of the pond. No way, it's about 10% more. To the point that it may be worth a trip to NYC to buy a fully loaded PowerBook.

Re:This is great!! (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607947)

Actually...

MacRumors.com [macrumors.com] accurately reported on these updates: Powerbook/iBook Specs Roundup [macrumors.com] .

Very Likely
Powerbook 800Mhz-1GHz with Superdrive
iBook G3 up to 800MHz

Probable
November 5th, 2002 Release Date

Possible
Bluetooth

Uncertain
13" iBook Screens
Radeon Mobility 9000


Overall, they do a pretty good job collecting and sifting through the rumors.

Sad when graphics card faster then CPU (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608036)

Apple should run OS X directly from the ATI graphics card and use their PowerPC CPU as a dedicated "punch the monkey and win" co-processor.

It's expensive, but .... (3, Insightful)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607823)


Honestly, no PC-based laptop can compete. Size, battery life, specs other than CPU speed....style

Now, if they'd put a serial port on the back, it comes with a UNIX-based doesn't it?!

Maybe a USB-serial converter would work. Can you say console access?

Re:It's expensive, but .... (1)

Colomb (176908) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607839)

Nice to see the prices on the iBooks come down a little too. $999 starting isn't bad at all. now I'm seriously considering that 14.1' iBook....then again,, the TiBooks are hard to pass up too...

Alex

Re:It's expensive, but .... (2, Informative)

nattt (568106) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607854)

A USB to Serial converter works great in Linux, but I've yet had the chance to use it with OS X.

Re:It's expensive, but .... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607886)

Why do they always use such under-powered CPUs? I mean, if you`re paying Apple prices, you`d think they`d have a higher spec than PCs, given that they are using basic PC commodity parts. Is the OS that expensive?

Re:It's expensive, but .... (1, Flamebait)

krray (605395) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607944)

Yes, keyspan's usb/serial converters work just fine with OS X. Though I'm finding less and less use for serial (any platform) more and more. Only use anymore is legacy equipment...

Under-powered CPU's? IMHO a 1Ghz G4 is about the same as a 4Ghz P4 in speed. Remember the pipeline in the G4 _is_ shorter (faster answers to questions if you will) and instead of being just a 32bit core like intel/amd it has 4 32bit pathways into the 128bit core. MUCH faster. Rather like 4 CPU's in 1 (though not even CLOSE technically :). MHz myth and all that...there is truth.

The OS is $129. Sure beats $300+ for Windows.

Re:It's expensive, but .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607983)

"IMHO a 1Ghz G4 is about the same as a 4Ghz P4 in speed"

What have opinions got to do with it. People always mention pipelines, but for the money the Intel chip is always faster.

"The OS is $129. Sure beats $300+ for Windows."

So why not buy a cheaper PC (yes, even with Windows thrown in) and install OsX over the top?

Re:It's expensive, but .... (2, Informative)

Alan Partridge (516639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608031)

"So why not buy a cheaper PC (yes, even with Windows thrown in) and install OsX over the top?"

because that would be impossible?

Re:It's expensive, but .... (5, Funny)

cosmo7 (325616) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608040)

So why not buy a cheaper PC (yes, even with Windows thrown in) and install OsX over the top?

and then fly around on your anti-grav jetbike.

Re:It's expensive, but .... (4, Informative)

strictnein (318940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608030)

IMHO a 1Ghz G4 is about the same as a 4Ghz P4 in speed.

lol

come on now, that's just silly and you know it. the length of pipeline does not a processor make (or some stupid thing like that)

IMHO I am the sexiest man alive. But, in reality, it seems that most (all?) women don't agree.

Re:It's expensive, but .... (2)

timeOday (582209) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608003)

Slower speed automatically gives you longer battery life and smaller size (the battery is the largest single component except maybe the screen).

Re:It's expensive, but .... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608004)

Gee what a surprise. An apple user crowing about the "features" on his underpowered Ibook while at the same time claiming its better than any PC version.

Honestly, no Mac-based laptop can compete. Price, Cpu speed, video(up till this unit),application selection(more windows and X86 linux apps available), availability, doesn't look like Hello Kitty.

"Now, if they'd put a serial port on the back, it comes with a UNIX-based doesn't it?!"

Already got one of those. ;-)

Its funny how some things never change. Back in the 80's the Apple users were smug and condescending and they still are today. Always thinking there hardware is "better" even though its not.

Oh well dream on Fanboy someday your OS will finally by X86 then we can compare apples to apples.

Shipping times: (4, Informative)

mgaiman (151782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607825)

Powerbook 867: 1-2days
Powerbook 1GHz (w/o Superdrive): 5-7 days.
Powerbook 1GHz (w/ Superdrive): 3-4 weeks.

Re:Shipping times: (2)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607970)

right at first new apple products are always like this....in abouta month shipping times will prolly be about the same for all of the models

first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607832)

I don't believe it, is it my first post?

Nice and cheap (4, Insightful)

e8johan (605347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607836)

I have to say something that I never though I'd say: "These new Macs look great! They are relatively cheap, run *nix and have al the hardware you could wish for!"

My sincere congratulations to Apple for having swung around from being a stubborn, expensive brand to become a computer supplier that I like. I will concider an Apple next time I buy a computer!

Re:Nice and cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607908)

"They are relatively cheap"

Relative to a PC of equivalent spec? Otherwise...to what?

And 'cincider' that, OS X has a ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607935)

built in spell checker!

Re:Nice and cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608011)

They are still a stubborn expensive brand. It's the marketing that has changed. And that is all that has changed.

argh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607838)

2 days after we ordered 4 iBooks and 8 PBs =(

Re:argh (3, Informative)

mgaiman (151782) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607861)

You can return [apple.com] them. Apple has a 10 day return policy (if they're opened though, you'll have to pay a restock fee).

Re:argh (5, Informative)

MoxCamel (20484) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607934)

Be advised that Apple (well, the Apple Store) has a "no return" policy if you change any configuration, such as adding more memory or a bigger hard drive.

I know this because I wanted to exchange my 15" iMac for a 17" iMac. They didn't want to do it because I had ordered my iMac with extra memory. I had to talk to a manager who not only accepted the exchange, but waived the stocking fee. Their staff was courteous and professional, but persistence pays.

Re:argh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607955)

If it's only 2 days after the order, maybe they have not even been shipped or at least delivered.

And if they are already on their way, you can probably negotiate a substantial refund since Apple does not want to stockpile obsolete machines. Not very easy, but you can probably save quite a few bucks with some patience if you accept to keep the older models.

Re:argh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608065)

yea, under normal circumstances, we could return them. however, this came off of grant money, the machines are here, and are now property of uncle sam. returning 'tagged' stuff is a real hassle. =(

Re:argh (1)

Teknobob (43181) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607914)

I'm in the same boat with my personal machine. I won't complain too much if there is an upgrade for a superdrive.

damn the high prices (1)

simong_oz (321118) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607840)

If only I could afford one of those nice, shiny powerbooks ...

Apple's laptop machines are awesome and I'd gladly switch over from windows if I could afford it :(

Re:damn the high prices (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607897)

they just dropped the prices across the entire portable line!

a $200 price drop... that's a tad over 16% cheaper.

the entry level iBook is $999 it was $1199

and the entry level TiPowerBook is $2299

Re:damn the high prices (1)

rhost89 (522547) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608071)

Thats been my bigest complaint, id switch everything over to apple and be done with m$ forever if I could afford it.

Speed Bumps? (2, Interesting)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607846)

Apple would never have used such a title. Speed bumps (used in parking lots) are something that slow you down when you are driving over them!

W00t to apple (-1)

YourMissionForToday (556292) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607848)

Now when are they gonna bump the bus speed on the G4 line? Seriously, they could regain a lot of ground in the "CPU power" race if they moved to Motorola's RapidIO architecture. The G4 has never been able to truly shine because of its crappy bus.

And if they wanted to trash Motorola, they could be releasing 1.8Ghz G3's right now as well...too bad. I guess we'll have to wait till the PPC970.

Speed bumps (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607850)

When I read the headline, I thought Apple had artificially limited the speed of their laptops - a la Intel's "SX" range, or yesterday's article regarding "desktop processors" in laptops. Doh.

ibook (3, Funny)

fuzz6y (240555) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607856)

$999 for pretty decent specs, and it doesn't even look like a see-n-spell any more. I want one.

"The Apple says;" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607913)

"BUY!"

PowerBook G4 & iBook (4, Informative)

catwh0re (540371) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607858)

All laptops are now $200(USD) cheaper than before.

Price Drop (1)

bedada (207747) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607860)

The price of the powerbooks actually came down a decent amount. The top end machine is down from $3500 to $3000. Not FREE, but still a drop rather than the same.

RIAA (0, Troll)

e8johan (605347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607863)

Ok, two thing for RIAA to attend to:

"watching DVD movies to burning your own music CDs"

A portable DVD, i.e. you could end up watching region one DVDs in region two. BAD!

CD burner, aught to be illegal, makes rich artists starve. BAD!

Must be a first (4, Interesting)

protohiro1 (590732) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607865)

Interesting that this makes a portable Apple's ENTRY LEVEL option. The low-end ibook is the cheapest apple you can buy.

Re:Must be a first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607923)

haven't bothered to check your facts, have you?

Re:Must be a first (1)

iofire (521067) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607953)

uh...the imac is $200 cheaper

Re:Must be a first (5, Informative)

binaryDigit (557647) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607961)

Well not quite. They still have the original iMac for $799. So the iBook can be thought of as the most expensive G3 they sell.

Speed bumps (1, Troll)

thomasj (36355) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607872)

Now that computers go really fast I think it is a good idea with speed bumps so they don't go too fast and crash into something. Apple is on the right track here.

MegaHertz Myth!! (-1, Funny)

SuperDuG (134989) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607874)

Up to 1Ghz can easily be translated to the same as 5 pentium 4's running at 2.3 Ghz a piece or 8 AMD 2400XP's combined together.

Don't fall into the same trap everyone else does, this thing is a super computer, but we all just believe intel's megahertz myth!!

... BTW Sarcasm ...

dick (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607887)

head

Re:MegaHertz Myth!! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607896)


"or 8 AMD 2400XP's combined together"


Are you fucking nuts? That's the single dumbest comment I've ever read at /.

Re:MegaHertz Myth!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607998)

Just a question, Apple Rates the G4 1Ghz at 7.5 Gigaflops. Intel doesn't release this info that I can find. Does anybody Have an idea what a the top end MOBILE x86 chip is capable of?

Actually the high end G4 is 1.25GHz (2)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608046)

However all that really matters any more is how does the computer meet your needs for a system.

Personally I wish Apple would release a Handheld and Tablet style Mac. This would make me switch my software completely to Mac. I'm not fond of trying to sell an Apple based solution using Windows for the Tablet/Handheld part. Seems like I'm contradicting myself when I'm saying Apple is better.

However when I charge 1/10th the fee for supporting an Apple as compared to a PC, people tend to notice.

"speed bumps"? (3, Informative)

pongo000 (97357) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607882)

Hey, Pudge, where I live, speed bumps are used to slow people down. I couldn't figure out why in the hell Apple would want to slow their laptops down.

Mayhaps you were looking for "speed boost" or "speed increase"?

In fact.... (1)

Annoyed Coward (620173) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607883)

News [com.com] suggests that iBook might be cheaper by almost 200$.

iBook still stuck at G3 (5, Funny)

elliotj (519297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607889)

I wonder when they iBook is gonna be given the dignity of a G4 processor. The life of the G3 has been remarkable but I can't help thinking that it has been stretched out not by virtue of the chip itself but rather because Apple is having trouble getting better and faster chips from Moto (hence the IBM PPC rumors recently).

This is pretty cool, especially for the TiBook. I'm sure video houses will appreciate the superdive to let them make rough cuts on the road and share them.

Now, sadly, my TiBook is no longer state-of-the-art. I can tell its feelings were hurt: this morning it ask me if it looked fat.

Re:iBook still stuck at G3 (1)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607960)

If Apple would ditch moto, they could have G3s running at 1.8Ghz today. They would most likely be faster than the G4 in just about every category. Apple screwed up big time when they decided to go with the G4. It will probably be a year until they can rectify that mistake (with the PPC 970)

Re:iBook still stuck at G3 (2)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608009)

it makes sense to me for Apple t still equip their iBooks with G3's for a couple of reasons:

-Other companies do it too...you can buy a Dell with a celeron as opposed to a speedy P4

-I can personally attest to, after using a G3 iBook, wanting something faster. Anybody that buys an apple these days has a pretty good chance of getting hooked for good, and right now I'm eyeing that new PowerBook just because my iBook seems a bit slow

oh, and i want to bust Quake 3 out on it at QuakeCon 2003 =]

Oh Dear.. Here come the hokey speedbump jokes.. (0, Troll)

Bowie J. Poag (16898) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607893)



Pick your favorite punchline for this article:


o Macs are already speedbumps.. in my driveway!!

o Wow, i'll have to pick one up...and then drop it.

o If you were to take an array of cats...and train them all to meow really really fast, and synchronize their meowing with the other cats near them in the array, and then fed them amphetamines..consider the possibilities. Suppose the cats were to all meow at or near the speed of light. If you were to place a cowboy in the middle of the array, would the cats explode if he attempted to herd them?

o Congratulations, Apple! Welcome to 1998!

o (Insert punchline here)


Re:Oh Dear.. Here come the hokey speedbump jokes.. (2, Funny)

sockit2me9000 (589601) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607964)

Apple, now ribbed for your pleasure...

Radeon 9000 (1)

BShive (573771) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607900)

Info here [ati.com] . It's a really nice chip, but I wonder how it matches up against the Nvidia's GeForce2 Go and 4 Go ... That aside, I want one. :)

check out tomshardware; links included (2)

waspleg (316038) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607987)

here is a story comparing 6 different radeon cards: http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q4/021104/in dex.html

here is a link to a recent story comparing radeons and geforces:

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/02q4/021024/ in dex.html

i consider tomshardware to be one of the best, most honest/accurate/valuable publications available online today (no i don't work for them)... i've used their advice to buy countless components and several full machines and have never been disappointed; they save me the work of scouring 30 different news sites and making my own balanced unbiased opinion because Tom's already is.

Apple proves the 'rumours guys' wrong (1)

davids-world.com (551216) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607901)

Without many words, let we cite macosrumours.com, dated Oct 31st:

In the mean time, one thing we can tell you is that if the announcements do indeed come next week, they will not include Superdrives. This is because, as noted in yesterday's update, Apple has stated publicly it will not adopt the portable DVD-RW/CD-RW drive until a slot-loading version is available -- something which will not come to pass until roughly the first of next year.

Wonder where they pulled those shiny slot-in superdrive-bunnies out of their black hat...

Re:Apple proves the 'rumours guys' wrong (5, Informative)

zaren (204877) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607954)

MOSR has been irrelevant in the rumors "industry" (in my opinion) since they completely missed the boat on the iMac all those years ago. Their "rumors" tend to come from pie-eyed "what-if" scenarios snarfed form IRC these days.

There's much better Mac rumor sites out there - MacRumors [macrumors.com] and Macslash [macslash.com] being two of them.

Re:Apple proves the 'rumours guys' wrong (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607977)

To quote MacRumors.com [macrumors.com] (tons better than MacOSRumors.com), dated October 30, 2002:

So many rumors have been floating around about the expected laptop upgrades... here is a summary of what is likely in the near future. This information is based on circulating rumors as well as validation from sources:

Very Likely
Powerbook 800Mhz-1GHz with Superdrive
iBook G3 up to 800MHz

Probable
November 5th, 2002 Release Date

Possible
Bluetooth

Uncertain
13" iBook Screens
Radeon Mobility 9000

Why is this news? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607902)

does slashdot report everytime to Dell upgrades their laptops?

oh i guess not, because this is apple and we all know how excited you get about stevie boy

It doesn't look like a Toilet Seat! (1)

Zerbey (15536) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607904)

Decent spec, runs Linux, doesn't look like either a toilet seat or a childs toy.

I never thought I'd say this but....

I want a Mac.

Re:It doesn't look like a Toilet Seat! (1)

andynms (564072) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608043)

I actually sorta liked the toilet seat look. (I've got an original Tangarine iBook.) Time to trade it in, I think, even if the new ones don't come in bright orange.

still not cheap enough (2, Funny)

tps12 (105590) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607925)

It's great to see Apple giving its upper-class customers more for the same price, but it still doesn't solve the real problem. Apple Ibooks are still out of reach for those of us who compromise the working classes.

Just glancing at the Apple web page, I can see that their most "affordable" lap-top is anything but. I could understand them doing this if they already had a large market share--there is value in "luxury" brands--but with MAC sales so low, it seems like a bad idea. As a result, the average consumer won't even consider the Ibook. For example, look at me. I was laid off when the Dot.Com bubble burst, and now work doing manual labor down at the docks. I'm in hock up to my loogies, and have enough trouble just keeping my wife and five children sheltered, shorn, and clod each month. There's no way I could afford one of these things, and neither could most people in my position. The lower classes need something affordable, dependable, and proven, and for this reason we will continue to stick with PC manufacturers such as GateWay 2000 and DELL. I hope Apple figures this out soon.

Re:still not cheap enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607958)

Apple iBooks are still out of reach for those of us who compromise the working classes.


Oooh matron...

Re:still not cheap enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4607984)

I was laid off when the Dot.Com bubble burst, and now work doing manual labor down at the docks

Really? Your homepage rather suggests otherwise, Mr. http://www.columbia.edu/~tps12/.

Re:still not cheap enough (1)

tps12 (105590) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607997)

What are you implying? That manual labor isn't good enough for an Ivy League grad? This is classism at it's most basic, folks. I may not make much money, but I'm proud of who I am.

Re:still not cheap enough (2, Insightful)

SlamMan (221834) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607996)

If you're in hock up to your loogies, why are you buying a new computer?

Looks Cheap to Me (2, Informative)

KalenDarrie (320019) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608042)

Considering a quick look at Dell and Gateway reveal only one laptop from Dell that's $899, I think $999, the most affordable iBook Apple has, as being well within the reach of anyone who is considering getting a laptop and can budget it.

Or is 100 dollars that much an issue?

If nothing else, Apple is improving hteir price points gradually.

Re:still not cheap enough (2)

mrpuffypants (444598) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608044)

I disagree; the lowest-priced inspiron from Dell is just at $899

personally, I would pay the extra $100 to get the iBook simply for OS X 10.2 and/or for the kickass look of ibooks

trust me, these things get looks from people when you walk into a lab here on campus, open it up and it's immediately ready, then close it down, drop it in your bag and split for lunch

Naturally.. (1)

Sassinak (150422) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607928)

Oh sure.. just as you get the TOTL model like 2 months ago, apple throws you a curve ball and adds the superdrive and bumps up the video/cpu..

You know, I'm starting to think that all laptop manufactures should start adding a shipping label that says

"Warning Obsoleted Equipment Enclosed, please contact your manufacturer to obtain a newer obsoleted device"

Anyone want to buy a G4?

Re:Naturally.. (1)

hammarlund (568027) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608018)

Argghh. Me too. Bought the 800mhz PB about a month ago, 40G, about $3200. Could get the same thing, bit faster processor, new video, for $2300 now.

Welcome to Macland.

Re:Naturally.. (1)

LittleLebowskiUrbanA (619114) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608028)

"Anyone want to buy a G4?" How much? Specs?

Speed Bumps!? (1)

gregRowe (173838) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607945)

I am not a Mac fan (though I could possibly be converted) but to use a perfectly good computer as a speed bump seems crazy to me ;)

Speed Bumps... (1)

Thorin_ (164014) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607949)

Am i the only one that read the headline and pictured a laptop with a big curved top?

Monitor Spanning (1)

djcdplaya (220461) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607950)

And now for the doubts:
-Can the new Ibook Monitor Span yet?
-Is the G3 going to be replaced soon in the Ibook
-How much battery does a 15.x display AND a superdrive eat?

Any answers?

128MB? (5, Interesting)

Junks Jerzey (54586) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607965)

Note: I am not bashing Apple here. I have owned Macs.

How far can you really get with OS X and the 128MB these Powerbooks ship with? OS X is great, but the prevailing opinion is that it's more memory hungry than Windows. (It's quite possible that this is a myth. Reviewers love to say dumb things like "I highly recommend that you upgrade to 512MB if you plan on doing more than simple word processing.")

I'll add, of course, that 128MB uses less power than 256MB, which is important for laptops.

Re:128MB? (3, Interesting)

Spencerian (465343) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608008)

The PowerBooks don't come with less than 256MB.

Mac OS X's specifications recommend a minimum of 128MB. If you are going to use Classic, that is too small--OS X thrashes as it has to swap a lot.

RAM is currently quite cheap, and since cracking an iBook or PowerBook open can be a little daunting (and warranty-voiding if done wrong), I recommend having at least 384MB for Jaguar. 512MB+ is optimum.

Re:128MB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608015)

Personally, I find this not so bad. Apple's memory prices were typically a bit higher than third-party for commodity modules (the recent "double your ram for $64 notwithstanding). I wish I could get some of the models with 0MB ram so I can get all the ram from somewhere else. This way I end up with spare 128 MB modules to put in places like our fleet of original iMacs.

Re:128MB? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608041)

$40 gets you double the ram (256m in an iBook, up to 1 gig (!) for $40 in a TiBook.

Re:128MB? (5, Interesting)

dhovis (303725) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608055)

128 is the bare minimum. It works, and if you don't run more than 1 or 2 apps at a time, you might not notice the swapping. I have 384MB in my original iBook 500, and it runs Jaguar just fine. It bogs down a bit if I have 10-12 apps running, but otherwise swapping is not a problem.

The good news is that 512MB chips for the iBook are now available for $80-100, so you can max out the memory (640MB) for a reasonable price. Apple memory is still expensive though.

battery life (3, Interesting)

frostycellnex (571215) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607973)

This is the computer I've been waiting for--everything I want all in one tight little package. My only question is with regard to that quoted battery life. I'd expect that's an extreme limit, with the lowest possible power consumption configuration. So can I watch an entire DVD on a single battery charge? I'm expecting to be doing some trans-Pacific flights in the near future, and those 18 hours would go by a whole lot faster if I could watch my own movies. For you double-E's out there, I've seen rumors that Apple is working on a new battery, but that it probably wouldn't find it's way into Apple's portables for at least another 6 months (and I presume that's optimistic). What's the likelihood that a new battery would be compatible with the current hardware architecture?

Re:battery life (2, Informative)

geniusj (140174) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608039)

Yes.. you can easily watch a dvd on one charge.. I've done it many times, and I usually have about 30-40% left over afterwards. This is on a TiBook 400mhz. I think they actually have improved the batteries themselves since then..

Slashdot Apple's bitch? (2, Troll)

Matt2000 (29624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607976)


Anyone ever noticed how much mundane Apple news gets posted on Slashdot? A minor speed increase on laptops doesn't seem to warrant a full story.

And, if you look in the categories for stories, there are tons of Apple specific categories for no real reason:

Apple Wireless
Apple Hardware
Apple Software
Apple Desktops
iMac
Apple Media
Apple Networking
OS 9
OS X
Apple Utilities

Look, we're in the "Apple Laptop" category for the love of god, what is the deal?

Re:Slashdot Apple's bitch? (1)

Axiom (95375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608027)

Why is the above post a troll? It's completely true. There is a ridiculous amount of Mac worship going on in Slashdot. Where are the stories about Dell, Sony, Toshiba, etc. releasing new laptops?

Still missing... (2, Insightful)

TechScared (212975) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607978)

They are still missing USB 2.0 support. They are missing from most of the current PC laptops as well but I don't know why Apple didn't include one if they were coming out with *new* ibooks and powerbooks. Also, one another complaint I have on most laptops including a Dell I recently purchased is that even though I have essentially a portable DVD player which can hook up to a TV/Projecter, etc via S-Video, it doesn't contain a digital out and I'm stuck with stereo out. You would think multimedia conscious(whatever that means) Apple would think of these things...

I guess nothing is perfect.

You are missing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608050)


just one word. FIREWIRE. You need USB 2 for what again?

Worth it? (1)

natron 2.0 (615149) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607979)

I will honestly say that I do not know alot about Macs. After looking at the specs I must say that if I was in the market for a notebook I would definately have to go with the PowerBook. It looks sleek and has alot of great features. Thumbs up to Mac!**

**I did not realize it but this sounded like a Mac Switch Ad.

Don't forget the iBook in all of this... (5, Insightful)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 11 years ago | (#4607991)

If you don't mind the 1024x768 display (and its a great screen, good antialiasing etc), the new low-end iBook is quite a deal. From apple.com, a 700mhz G3 (faster than PIII-800s seen in many low-end notebooks) with 640mb RAM (OSX is pretty memory intensive) can be yours for $1189. That's getting nicely price-competitive with Dell, etc on the low end.

A somewhat nicer model with the 800mhz G3, a DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive and the same 640mb of RAM lists for $1489. That gets you a very potent UN*X box with a lot of wonderful features, a lovely OS, and a massively high portability level.

All this, and an amazing attention to detail as well. Really, switching to Apple is like moving from Chevy to BMW. Sure it may not stack up on paper (horsepower per dollar, etc) but you can end up with an incredibly friendly machine that's a pure pleasure to use! Do yourself a favor and go check 'em out if you've been on the fence.

Buying an apple (2)

glh (14273) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608001)

I just can't help but wonder why everyone seems to be so excited about Macs. If you ever want to run the latest game on that "other" OS, you can't really do it on Mac without paying a premium and/or having to wait forever for it to come out. And not just games, but other software too.

Dell has a comparable deal [dell.com] that is $999 for an Inspiron 2650, comes with a free hard drive upgrade and a CD-burner (or DVD) upgrade. Not only that, but you get some really great tech support. And no, I don't work for dell. I just can't understand what all this jazz about getting an Apple is.

Sure the Mac has cool looking hardware, but beyond that is there really a compelling reason for techies/nerds to switch from Intel/AMD based machines?? I can't think of any real good reasons.

This is really not a troll, I'm just trying to understand what the hoopla is. Please enlighten me!!

Re:Buying an apple (1)

geniusj (140174) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608017)

Well.. Besides the fact that the hardware design isn't bad at all .. The reason is: MacOS X.. 'Nuff said.

As someone I know said... (1)

Veldcath (591080) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608010)

Apple's laptops make a heck of a lot of sense. Sure, they're a little more expensive, but they're good, quality hardware, look great, work pretty much flawlessly. People complain about Macs being closed as far as upgrade paths go, but most laptops are closed in the PC world too, so it's really not all that much different when comparing portable apples and oranges.

I, for one, am absoultely drooling over those new iBooks... My old Indigo G3/366 is really starting to show its age when it's compared to things like this...

Price points remain about the same? (2, Informative)

Glyndwr (217857) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608022)

No they don't, the iBooks are $200 cheaper across the range. As I mentioned in my submitted Slashdot story. Which was rejected. Not that I'm bitter.

I'm convinced, anyway; the midrange iBook looks very compelling to me. All the OSS stuff I need plus Powerpoint without rebooting. I'll hopefully be ordering one later.

God damn son of a bitch! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608025)



I just bought a TiBook 2 days ago! Mother fuckers!

USB 2.0? (2, Insightful)

Gizzmonic (412910) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608060)

Why doesn't Apple start putting USB 2.0 in its machines? I doubt that it's much more expensive than USB 1.1 or whatever they're using. Is it sour grapes from Intel muscling in on Firewire (USB 2.0 has been adopted very quickly by PC motherboard manufacturers). Firewire isn't going anywhere (DV is the killer app that will keep it alive). But it would sure be nice to have access to USB 2.0 stuff like high-end scanners. And I'm sure peripheral manufacturers don't like having to choose between a firewire and USB 2.0 interface for everything.

Here's how Dell stacks up (hint: buy the PB) (4, Interesting)

smagoun (546733) | more than 11 years ago | (#4608063)

The Powerbooks are a fantastic deal. Here's how a similar Dell stacks up to the high-end powerbook.

I chose the Dell Inspiron line, since they have a better price/performance ratio than the Latitudes. The only Inspiron that's in the ballpark, weight-wise, is the 4150 (5.6-6.5lbs, 1.47" thick). The powerbook wins this one hands-down.

I configured it w/ a 2.0Ghz P4, SXGA+ screen, and the best available video card: a 32MB Radeon 7500 Mobility. A 2.2Ghz CPU runs +$200USD, subtract $200 for a 1.7Ghz CPU. The powerbook only has a 1Ghz CPU, but that's Apples and oranges (ha, ha). The Powerbook has a better GPU (Radeon 9000) and more video ram (64MB).

Next up...drives. The powerbook comes w/ a Superdrive and a 60GB HDD. The best the Dell can do is a DVD/CD-RW and a 40GB HDD.

I configured both systems with 1GB RAM, a 3-year warranty, and a pro operating system (OSX, XP Pro). Both got internal wireless (included on the Apple, extra on the Dell). Both have an internal NIC and internal modem, although the powerbook has 1000BT and the Dell only has 100BT.

The Dell comes out to $3042, the Powerbook is $3,388. Subtract $200 from the PB if you only want the combo drive that's in the Dell and not a Superdrive.

The Powerbook is a hell of a deal...better video, faster networking, better HDD and optical drive, better OS, smaller form factor, better engineering, and only a very small price premium.

(The usual disclaimers apply. This is one comparison out of a million possible comparisons. Size/weight are important to me, that's why I didn't look at the Inspiron 8200, blah blah blah.)

Buy Apple, get screwed (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4608066)

Guys. Just buy a Mac already and stop fawning. Then in a few years time you can get screwed over like all the other Apple customers have been over the years and wake up to reality. The sooner you have your epiphany the earlier we can bury Apple the better it is for us all alike. Thanks.
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