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Mplayer Adds Sorenson v3 To the Linux Roster

CmdrTaco posted more than 11 years ago | from the celebrate-good-times-come-on dept.

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prmths writes "mplayer now plays sorenson V3! This is the last major format that was unplayable under linux and it has now been conquered! They also added the 2xsai algorithm for video scaling. This will let you increase the resolution of non-photo-like videos (anime/cartoons) by 2 times -- it's not a blurring algorithm -- 2xsai actually guesses edges and fills in the pixels."

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FP (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650465)


My vids are FAT Y0!

Keep trollyin!

19...20!

Let the slogans begin... (4, Funny)

kafka93 (243640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650477)

"I'm 2xSaI for my shorts"?

Doh!

Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (5, Informative)

Ed_Moyse (171820) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650479)

From the page:
Oops... We did it again :) So you can play your favourite brand-new quicktime movie trailers with mplayer! Oops... you cannot yet... at least the code is working, and was uploaded to CVS, but it needs some hacking to get it work... (not so bad, you need some DLLs from QT5 player and sdk, and libwine from wine-20020310 and some config.h editing) - okay, we'll work on getting this more user-friendly... :) so be patient, it'll be available in next (pre)release for sure!

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (4, Funny)

grub (11606) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650496)


Someone at mplayerhq must have pissed off a /. high-up pretty bad to garner a double slashdotting. This one for the announcement, a future one for the release.

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650546)

Nonsense. Slashdot is a professional online news site, so everything posted here has been fact-checked. Next you'll be telling us that Stephen King isn't dead.

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (3, Funny)

jmo_jon (253460) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650562)

we'll work on getting this more user-friendly.

user-friendly? That ought to be quick for them, just another RTFM remark in the FAQ and a short line the the manual and it'll be done. Or has the attitude changed since i last checked?

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650647)

Don't forget the profanity. That guy cusses like a sailor.

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (1, Funny)

ethereal (13958) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650680)

Yeah, installing Mplayer is user friendly in the sense of "type exactly what we say for a half hour and it will likely work", not in the sense of "would you like to play XBill while we install it for you?" It's doable, it just requires a user that is friendly with the command line :)

How I install mplayer (5, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650748)


echo "http://mplayer.nmeos.net/ unstable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list

apt-get install mplayer-686
apt-get install mencoder-686

What IP? Re:How I install mplayer (1)

TimFreeman (466789) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650860)

echo "http://mplayer.nmeos.net/ unstable main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
My DNS server can't resolve mplayer.nmeos.net, and samespade.org can't either. Do you have an IP address or a better domain name for that?

Re:What IP? Re:How I install mplayer (4, Informative)

Karrots (14012) | more than 11 years ago | (#4651002)

Here is where his packages are now.

http://marillat.free.fr/

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (5, Informative)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4651017)

Extract the codec pack to the specified directory. I think that it is something like "/usr/lib/Win32" or something like that.

Download the MPlayer source from the MPlayer homepage.

./configure --enable-gui (optional)
make
make install (as root)

Is that different than any other program that you compile yourself? It has a makefile, and it works perfectly. The only thing that you need to know is your video output, which is usually XV for nVidia and other cards like PowerVR Kyro products.

Executing MPlayer is pretty simple

mplayer -vo xv -ao sdl *filename*

You can also add the -vo and -ao formats to the config file, so you never have to enter them. This is all that the documentation really covers. It is the difficult part. The video output method varies depending on your videocard, but XV is the most common.

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650888)

MOD PARENT UP!

--
CRAAAAWWWWW!

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (3, Funny)

mastropiero (258677) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650583)

At least we can see cool development going on. It probably wont be long before it is usable, anyway.

On the other hand I would have preferred having a little less misleading story, I almost got up and danced in front of my friends while singing "there u go b*tches, linux is l337!".

But of course, this is /.

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650658)

You make me ashamed to use Linux. Get a life.

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650690)

And this [anders.fix.no] doesn't?

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650869)

That fat little git second from the left is on my personal shitlist.

Re:Well it can *almost* play sorenson! (4, Funny)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650688)

From the style of that quote, it looked like it came from someone having got waaay too much coffee...

Well... (2, Funny)

vasqzr (619165) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650482)



at least the code is working, and was uploaded to CVS, but it needs some hacking to get it work... (not so bad, you need some DLLs from QT5 player and sdk, and libwine from wine-20020310 and some config.h editing) - okay, we'll work on getting this more user-friendly...

At least it DOES work :)

w00t! (5, Funny)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650492)

But mommy, why do they hurt [mplayerhq.hu] Tux like that?

Re:w00t! (1)

guybarr (447727) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650878)


Yeah, weird and uncool.

browser plugins? (2, Interesting)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650499)

Are there any browser plugins for using mplayer to play movies online yet?

Re:browser plugins? (3, Informative)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650593)

http://www.webfreetv.com/linux/ [webfreetv.com]

I haven't tried this plugin yet, but I noticed it last night. Perhaps someone here can tell us about their experiences with it?

Re:browser plugins? (3, Informative)

Covener (32114) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650683)

Plugger is mplayer aware.

Thanks for the info. (5, Informative)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650731)

I didn't know that it existed. Here's a link that I found

http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger.html [hubbe.net]

Says that it works with Opera, so it has my attention. Does it work with streaming of WMV files?

Re:browser plugins? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650697)

Works fine with plugger, just edit it into /etc/pluggerrc and it plays just fine.

Advancemame (5, Informative)

kafka93 (243640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650509)

Advancemame, linked from this story for the Scale2x description, is a fine piece of software, and currently employed in my MAME cabinet. It's ironic, though: for my money, the scale effect really ruins the look of many arcade games, and particularly of things like pacman. While so many gamers are obsessed with getting the most out of their video cards, those interested in emulation often want the very opposite...

It's still cool voodoo, of course.

Re:Advancemame (4, Interesting)

gl4ss (559668) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650631)

the different guessing/blurring algo's are quite well represented in many emu's.

some games look crap on some algos, while others look great.. depending on games style, and lots of other things, like what it looked on the arcade machine. those old monitors have a feel and look to the picture too..

btw, is sai2x basically 'eagle'?

2xsai vs. Eagle (3, Informative)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650796)

is sai2x basically 'eagle'?

Eagle and Kreed's 2xSaI [tudelft.nl] are based on different algorithms. The "Super Eagle" and "Super 2xSaI" filters by Kreed are combinations of the techniques of Eagle and 2xSaI.

Re:2xsai vs. Eagle (3, Informative)

Mitchell Mebane (594797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650845)

We had a very lengthy discussion on various smoothing engines over at the zSNES board a while back, you can read that thread here. [zsnes.com]

Artist's intent (2)

Multiple Sanchez (16336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650852)

Notice, though, that the screen shot from Metal slug looks pretty dope.

Pac-Man was designed to look exactly as you see it on the screen, pixel for pixel -- so I'm sure the interpolation looks (or, perhaps more accurately, feels) like it's drifted a bit from what the artist(s) intended.

The graphics of Metal Slug and just about every other modern game, on the other hand, are downsampled to a given screen resolution. In those situations, the algorithm would offset the downsampling and possibly render an image that's closer, not further, from what the artists intended.

times two! (4, Funny)

Alsee (515537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650533)

2xsai actually guesses edges and fills in the pixels

and an MP3 player that doubles the number of notes in a song by guessing and filling them in! :)

-

Re:times two! (1)

Wiseazz (267052) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650564)

I'll bet [most hated boy band goes here] would benefit from something that guesses and fills in notes.

Re:times two! (3, Insightful)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650603)

Actually similar types of things are done for audio resampling. You use different algorithms to guess at what the new samples should be. It sounds much better than just duplicating the old data.

Actually it's much more akin to the texture anti-aliasing done by graphics cards, but still.

Re:times two! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650612)

Yours only does that? Mine looks for contrapuntal harmonies and adds them in in real-time. You can download add-on packs of extra instruments, too. Believe you me, you've never really heard "Enter Sandman" until you've heard the version with a theremin playing the melody inverted at four times the speed two octaves up!

(NB: "Enter Sandman" MP3 legally obtained from approved sources.)

Spectral band replication (2, Informative)

yerricde (125198) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650815)

and an MP3 player that doubles the number of notes in a song by guessing and filling them in!

Actually, that's exactly how "mp3PRO" technology works. It stores a low-bit-rate MP3 of signals from 20 Hz to 8000 Hz, and then it does "spectral band replication" to guess at the frequencies from there to 16000 Hz.

Windows Media Player Killer (1, Interesting)

dzym (544085) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650535)

... if somebody does a good port of it to win32.

Re:Windows Media Player Killer (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650565)

Um, no.

Re:Windows Media Player Killer (1)

quakeroatz (242632) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650681)

Err it _does_ compile on Win32, did you actually go to the site?

www.mplayer.hu

Re:Windows Media Player Killer (2)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650767)

Yes it *does*, but only under cygwin, and you need an Xserver to run it. BEcause of this it is very sslloooooowwwww

Re:Windows Media Player Killer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650976)

wow. Being a troll because implying that a program can be better than something by microsoft. Great moderation guys.

No, I didn't wrote parent.

Does this mean .mov? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650538)

Does this mean all .mov, or what does it mean?

Re:Does this mean .mov? (4, Informative)

tjansen (2845) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650552)

No, it means those .movs encoded with Sorenson v3. Including all newer trailers on Apple.com.

Sweet! I was waiting for this! (5, Informative)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650555)

This rocks! Now I can play those Harry Potter 2 trailers for my girlfriend. The interesting thing is that I just downloaded Pre-10 last night, hoping that this codec was complete. Unfortunately, it wasn't. But the guys at MPlayer cracked the code. You rock! Thanks for making the best video player for UNIX/Linux. No thanks to Apple for being a royal pain in the butt when it comes to their video format.

Speaking of MPlayer, has anyone tried this [webfreetv.com] ? It is a plugin for Mozilla that uses XV overlays and MPlayer to show movies in Mozilla. I'd imagine that it works with plugin compatible apps like Opera also. I haven't tried it yet. Can anyone offer their opinions? I am looking forward to a time when I can finally play those annoying streaming WMV videos in my browser, without having to fight with some ASX file that redirects.

Re:Sweet! I was waiting for this! (3, Informative)

momobaxter (588115) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650611)

Actually apple doesn't own the Sorenson(spelling) codec. That's from the company named the exact same as the codec. Apple owns quicktime which is just a container.

Well, true... (2)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650645)

But a player would be nice. Even Real Networks has a community supported player for UNIX/Linux.

Re:Sweet! I was waiting for this! (2)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650739)

But nonetheless they continue to encode trailors (which are all anybody outside of Macland seems to use QT for anyway) using Sorensen.

Does it strike anybody else as rather funny that so much effort has been put into the ability to watch adverts? I mean outside of Apples own adverts and the trailors it buys up, what is Sorensen used for these days (on platforms other than the mac).

Re:Sweet! I was waiting for this! (2, Funny)

nother_nix_hacker (596961) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650657)

This rocks! Now I can play those Harry Potter 2 trailers for my girlfriend.

For your girlfriend...riiiiggghhhtt :)

Re:Sweet! I was waiting for this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650700)

Now I can play those Harry Potter 2 trailers for my girlfriend.

What is this, 1910? Your girlfriend is a person too, and is probably capable of playing her own video files. I love it...geeks wonder why there are no "girls" in the "Linux community," and then go around with these neo-he-man attitudes: ME PLAY MOVIE FOR WOMAN UGH UGH. Hopefully your girlfriend will recognize that she could do a lot better, and go out and find someone who can respect her rather than repress her.

Re:Sweet! I was waiting for this! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650816)

Now I can play those Harry Potter 2 trailers for my girlfriend.

What is this, 1910? Your girlfriend is a person too, and is probably capable of playing her own video files.

Give him a break, his girlfriend is only 12

Re:Sweet! I was waiting for this! (5, Informative)

spotter (5662) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650703)

But the guys at MPlayer cracked the code

Not really (at least IMHO) they figured out how to make use of the original DLLs. You will still need the DLL's from a QuickTime 5 installation (as well as wine acc. to the description). This is not reverse engineering the codec, just figuring out how spit encoded frames to the dll and understand the decoded frames it spits back. What was done with the previous sorenson codecs (of actually figuring out how to decode) was much more impressive (at least to me).

They already use the "use dlls" methods for real codecs, except in that case they have the real linux .so's to use.

Re:Sweet! I was waiting for this! (2)

gpinzone (531794) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650788)

I don't think they "cracked the code" so to speak. It sounds like they hooked into the DLLs the right way and got it to work in Linux with the help of WINE. It's still a "black box," which is a good thing since there's no worries about reverse engineering the codec (just the DLLs).

Re:Sweet! I was waiting for this! (2)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650859)

Are you sure that WINE isn't only needed to install Quicktime to leech the codecs? There hasn't been a single codec that has required WINE for anything that has played through MPlayer.

I know that they've been halfway there to achieving Sorenson playback for a while. Video has worked very nicely. It is the audio that didn't play back. Doing this in a bass-ackwards sort of way with WINE wouldn't really seem like something that they would do.

Guessing lines (2)

MagPulse (316) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650561)

That reminds me of this Flipcode IOTD [flipcode.com] . It's pretty impressive if you're upsampling something cartoon-ish with not much high frequency detail.

Whats NOT supported now? (4, Interesting)

iamsure (66666) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650566)

Okay, its not clear from the site, what file formats remain unsupported/unplayable?

There isn't much. (5, Informative)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650635)

As far as I can tell, this was the last major codec that didn't work. Well, it kinda worked before, but sound was unplayable. As of yet though, I've not come across any other file that didn't play.

Here is a codec status page: http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/codecs-status.html [mplayerhq.hu] . It is updated frequently.

If you get MPlayer, the codec pack, and configure it for XV video output and SDL audio output on a properly accellerated system, the playback produces virtually no CPU load. It is an incredible program. I really like the fact that the GUI is completely optional, and you can just use keypresses to manipulate movie playback.

Re:There isn't much. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650646)

i still miss ATRAC audio!

ATRAC support is already there (2, Informative)

Gtz (18854) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650808)

You obviously don't read changelogs:
  • RealAudio ATRC (sony atrac3) audio support (using binary plugin)
It should be possible to play ATRAC content with mplayer, at least on x86 platforms.

Re:Whats NOT supported now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4651001)

Windows Media Player V9

that's ...good? (-1, Flamebait)

gTsiros (205624) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650569)

"mplayer now plays sorenson V3! This is the last
major format that was unplayable under linux and"

yay! like when i had to make my XINE play divx5! I only had to download the plugin, the new player version the new alsa version the new kernel version to play divx5! that's about 40M! yay! Not like crappy windows 98 that just required you to download the codec...pffft... if you don't have to rebuild your kernel to play new media content, it isn't an OS!

"2xsai actually guesses edges and fills in the pixels."

yeah! ZSNES can use that! There's Super Eagle mode too...both of these suck up CPU like peanuts

haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650601)

good troll there

too true

I'd like a bellyfull of Man Chowder (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650577)

What is the most intelligent thing dead liberal Senator Wellstone ever said in his pathetic life??

"Oh shit the plane is going downnnn! Arghhhhhh!"

"Needs some DLL's from QT5"? (3, Interesting)

Second_Derivative (257815) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650580)

Clearly not a codec implementation then, or not a full one. Besides, Sorenson will sue them into oblivion when/if they do get it working.

Re:"Needs some DLL's from QT5"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650633)

What, like they sued CodeWeavers into oblivion for getting the Crossover Plugin working? Perhaps not.

Re:"Needs some DLL's from QT5"? (3, Interesting)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650692)

Clearly not a codec implementation then, or not a full one

I have no idea whether it is or isn't, but one possibility is that's a codec implementation but requires some data tables which cannot legally be copied. The codecs for older sorensen versions had this problem, to decode them you needed large tables of numbers which were of course copyrighted.

Besides, Sorenson will sue them into oblivion when/if they do get it working.

Nah. Why should they? Have you actually used MPlayer? It's a command line client, with famously dodgy internals (ie the code probably can't be easily reused). It doesn't pose them any threat. Anyway, who would they sue? It's not like you can just pick a random developer and send them a letter from your lawyers.

Re:"Needs some DLL's from QT5"? (-1, Troll)

Lord Kenja (45995) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650827)

Nah. Why should they?

Well. If you don't defend your copyright. You loose it. If someone gets to reverse engineer your code and you let them. Everyone can.

Re:"Needs some DLL's from QT5"? (1)

BJH (11355) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650897)

Er... no. Back to law school for you.

Re:"Needs some DLL's from QT5"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650954)

Well. If you don't defend your copyright. You loose it. If someone gets to reverse engineer your code and you let them. Everyone can

You're thinking about trademarks.

The *real* 2xSaI site (4, Informative)

Mitchell Mebane (594797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650581)

The *real* homepage of the 2xSaI algorithm is:

Kreed's Homepage: 2xSaI : The advanced 2x Scale and Interpolation engine

It is totally different for Scale2x, which is the link that was given. 2xSaI was orignally developed by Kreed (a.k.a. Derek Liauw) for the SNES9x Super Nintendo emulator. Oh, and technically, it IS a blurring algorithm, just a smart one.

You can find lots of info here [zsnes.com] and here [zsnes.com] .

exactly how hacked up is this? (2, Informative)

hfastedge (542013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650586)

exactly how hacked up is this?

Does anyone know? Does anyone know if the mplayer people (or whoever is actually responsible) cooperated with sorenson?

Heres a discussion i had at the apple boards on exactly this matter:

http://discussions.info.apple.com/WebX?50@198.U0Gj afW5d56.6@.3bbaee75 [apple.com]

Re:exactly how hacked up is this? (2)

13Echo (209846) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650695)

I can't imagine how it would be any different than how they implemented WMV support and the likes. I think that the MPlayer guys are just really good coders/hackers. They seem to be able to take a Windows codec and find out what makes it tick. Maybe they make modifications to the codec file. I do know that the MPlayer codec pack is not designed to work in Windows, despite it's inclusion of hacked Win32 codecs.

Re:exactly how hacked up is this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650805)

What do you mean 'how hacked up is this?'

It's mplayer, it's alllllllll hacked up.

What do Mondale and Wellstone have in common? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650592)

THEY BOTH WENT DOWN IN FLAMES

Let me just add the obligatory (-1, Flamebait)

Raul654 (453029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650595)

Quicktime sucks...

I just found out some very sad news (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650610)

In doing some geneology on my family history, I found out my grandfather's brother died at Auschwitz. Very sad...seems He got drunk one night and fell out of his guard tower.

Re:I just found out some very sad news (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650946)

ahahaha that's funny shit

What do CmdrTaco and Cowboy Neal have in common? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650624)

They are both butt buddies. They are both desirous of little Mexican boys' brown asses. They are both cum gobblers. They are both limp wristed. They both like licking rectums. Strange pair they are.

I was wondering... (1)

AlexMax2742 (602517) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650636)

I was wondering when an engine like this would be added. Mainly because I watch a lot of anime, but I was waiting for something like this to come out ever sicne I saw how 2xsai was implimented in ZSNES.

Some subtle corrections (4, Interesting)

benploni (125649) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650637)

The scaling is 2x in each dimension, so it makes it 4x bigger. Oh, and 2xsai works best on images with clearly defined edges, like arcade games and anime. PLain old movies wont get as much benefit, and some will get worsened artifacting.

Re:Some subtle corrections (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650754)

And 8x in 3D movies.

AA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650661)

2xsai actually guesses edges and fills in the pixels

In other words anti-aliasing ?

Re:AA (2)

Fembot (442827) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650855)

Im still trying to work out how you actualy enable it at the moment though.

What? (2)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650665)

Oops... We did it again :) So you can play your favourite brand-new quicktime movie trailers with mplayer! Oops... you cannot yet... at least the code is working, and was uploaded to CVS, but it needs some hacking to get it work... (not so bad, you need some DLLs from QT5 player and sdk, and libwine from wine-20020310 and some config.h editing) - okay, we'll work on getting this more user-friendly... :) so be patient, it'll be available in next (pre)release for sure!

Wouldn't it be simpler to just run QT5 under WINE? This doesn't really look like support, from my point of view.

Except that the Qt5 GUI sucks ass... (4, Informative)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650699)

..and is horribly slow under WINE. Not to mention mplayer works in console as well as X, and anything that works with mplayer also works in mencoder.. so guess what, Sorenson -> DivX is now very simple and straightforward.

Soon... (2)

ACK!! (10229) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650678)

Soon, I will be able to play the trailers for Matrix Reloading without having to switch over to my Windows box.

Cool.

Soon, I will be able to laugh at all the Apple Switcher campaign videos with ex-drug addict teenagers.

Cool.

Still, what does this mean for the folks who made the Crossover plugin program?

I can't imagine it will muck them up too bad since they have a half dozen distros ready to put Crossover Office on their disks.

________________________________________________

Crossover (3, Interesting)

Shade, The (252176) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650732)

Crossover does a lot more than just play Quicktime stuff. Flash, Realplayer, Trillian and all sorts of other plugins are included too.

Re:Soon... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650894)

Boo hoo... Poor emulation users.

Suck it up and sut up.

Native is the way to go, and supporting companies like Codeweavers and Transgaming with your money, you are contributing to the problem.

Re:Soon... (3, Informative)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650933)

Still, what does this mean for the folks who made the Crossover plugin program?

Not much really. CrossOver plugin is useful for stuff other than the QuickTime plugin, although i'd guess that's what drives sales as most other plugins of any popularity have Linux versions available (glares at apple). Plugin is an interesting side line they have, but the real product is CX Office, which as a general wine distro is very popular.

Audio? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650682)

Will this handle sound as well? With Sorenson 1 mplayer can do video but not sound, since only the video part was implimented. Does this include sound support?

(In any case - mplayer ROCKS!)

MPEG-2 in QT player? (1, Offtopic)

TheSync (5291) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650701)

I need a viewer for MPEG-2 stored in QuickTime format (i.e. .mov main file, with .mpeg and .aiff video and audio files).

I was hoping Apple would have a QuickTime player with MPEG-2, but evidently not yet. Any ideas?

Re:MPEG-2 in QT player? (2)

pi radians (170660) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650813)

Apple does. Its Quicktime Pro with the additional MPEG-2 decoder. I don't know the exact cost for it but I think its around $45.

The sound you're hearing (0, Offtopic)

Multiple Sanchez (16336) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650714)

is Sorenson's lawyers cracking their knuckles.

Improving Scale2x? (4, Interesting)

mr3038 (121693) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650743)

The screenshots of Scale2x [sourceforge.net] look really promising. Looking at two last examples makes me wonder if the same algorithm could be used for pretty much any texture map to get higher quality output from games. Because algorithm needs only a few neighbor pixels to decide correct value for the output pixel it could be implemented in the rendering hardware pretty easily. Using this method with compressed textures should allow pretty nice texturing without using that much memory.

Also, by looking the algorithm on the page it seems to me that this algorithm decides which pixel value to use from left and right only. Running the result through a sligthly modified algorithm could perhaps provide 4x scaling with pretty nice image quality. Simple rotate the table with letters from A to I 90 degrees clock-wise and you should get an algorithm which selects best pixel value from above or below. It might be possible to join those algorithms for a single pass one but I'm afraid the result needs that many conditional jumps that it isn't usable for real time processing. Plus you usually don't need 4x scaling for video.

Scaling animated movie 4x with this algorithm and outputting it through hardware scaler to reduce pixel boundaries should provide pretty nice video quality...

WOHOO!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4650766)

Ten points to MPlayer team!! YOU ROCK!!

Weak - it's closed source (3, Flamebait)

pyite69 (463042) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650896)


This will never be an acceptable solution until
distributions can support it out of the box.
That will require actually figuring out the
file format instead of just hacking in some
DLL's.

You are probably violating Apple's license by
doing this anyway.

mplayer for Debian please (2)

CanadaDave (544515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650955)

Where can I get player debs for Sid/Testing!!!???

Re:mplayer for Debian please (2)

CanadaDave (544515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4650982)

oops, that should read "mplayer" not "player"

Re:mplayer for Debian please (2)

CanadaDave (544515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4651023)

Okay, sorry, I answered my own question. It wasn't that hard to find on Google. For all you Debian users. Add the following lines to your sources.list file:

deb http://marillat.free.fr/ stable main deb http://marillat.free.fr/ testing main deb http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main deb-src http://marillat.free.fr/ unstable main

Not the first... (5, Insightful)

Fluffy the Cat (29157) | more than 11 years ago | (#4651027)

This is the last major format that was unplayable under linux and it has now been conquered!

Codeweavers have been willing to sell you a product that allows Quicktime playback for ages. The only real advantages the new mplayer code offers are it being integrated into a more generic media player, and it being free as in beer. You're still stuffed on non-x86 platforms.
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