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Drug Making Genes Added To Corn Jump To Soya

Hemos posted more than 11 years ago | from the look-over-there dept.

Science 510

Anonymous Cowdog writes "Google News turned up a scary item today: Apparently, genetically altered corn, designed not to repel pests or withstand bad weather, but rather to grow pharmecuticals (for diabetes and diarrhea) has been accidentally mixed with soy plants in the field, resulting in 500,000 bushels of contaminated soybeans being quarantined by the US FDA. Ooops. Here's the story, and here's another story about the same case. The company who brought us this nice event is called ProdiGene. Looks like they're also working on an edible AIDS vaccine (kinda makes sense, eat Tofu, enjoy free love!) Now, I was thinking, will our government protect us from doom-by-hand-me-down-genes? and on a hunch (honest!) I did this google search for keywords ProdiGene and "george w bush". Result? A not so reassuring article."

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fp (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696505)

word

Not first post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696506)

This is not the first post. continue on.

FUCK YOU NIGGER LOVERS!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696507)

Re:FUCK YOU NIGGER LOVERS!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696619)

Hello there Gaylordfucker.

Why are you posting anomymously?

Did you go a little bit funny in the head after the 9/11?

wtf (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696512)

you liberal faggot, of course its Bush's fault...duh!

fp? my first ever!

Re:wtf (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696579)

Well, with the astonishing conservative right-wing takeover fuelled by crime-terrorists-immigrants FUD both in Europe and now in the US, we can no longer silently watch by as our rights to our bodies (drugs, GM-free food, abortion, border free emigration/immigration), minds (freethinking, atheism) and souls (neo-paganism, wicca,...) are slowly eroded by the oppressive christian/nationalist right. George W Bush said it in a nutshell: "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.".

-- "To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men." -A. Lincoln

Re:wtf (2)

Stonehand (71085) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696700)

Perhaps the moderator was unaware that it wasn't George W. Bush that said that, but his father.

In any event, that's more of a blatant troll than interesting or insightful.

All Your Seeds Are Belong To Us! (-1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696515)

1.. Force farmers to use
2 ..

3.. Profit!

Someone plz firebomb Monsanto...

Re:All Your Seeds Are Belong To Us! (3, Insightful)

Ann Coulter (614889) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696649)

Monsanto has a known history of misplacing toxic waste [annistonstar.com] . If someone firebombs the wrong facility, they could irreversible contaminate the environment for hundreds of thousands of people. It is a good idea to first know what you are firebombing before the actual commision of the act.

Pussies (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696517)

Time for all the euro trash to rant about genetically engineered food. In the meantime, the U.S. is going to use the technology to bust out chicks like Dark Angel, further showing why we're the best.

Re:Pussies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696655)

Time for all the euro trash to rant

To quote E. Ripley: "Nuke them from the orbit. It's the only way to be sure".

That's what should be done about terrorists and all those who support them directly (money, weapons) or indirectly (blocking US motions in UN).

Just a reminder for tomorrow (-1)

Trolling Stones (587878) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696520)

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Caution... (5, Informative)

SealBeater (143912) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696523)

See, this is why a lot of people are cautious about genetically altered foods.
The potential hazards combined with the legal tanglements of a company being
able to hold a patent on seeds, so far, hasn't been worth it. Perhaps now, the
na-sayers who derided the decision of the leader of that African country to
refuse genetically altered foodstuffs have some "food for thought". Sorry, pun
intended.

SealBeater

Re:Caution... (5, Informative)

gazbo (517111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696565)

Misleading title - the genes haven't made the jump anywhere. They just happen to be planted in the same place.

ever ehard of cross polinisation ? (4, Interesting)

aepervius (535155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696697)

Maybe you are right, but the study on cross polinisation make a lot of people kinda warry in EU, and a lot of people there says that definitly 3 or 4 years was not enough to study the complete "life" cycle and possible jump a gene might make between plants, and the possible bad results of , say, a gene resisting desherbant into a wild specy.

And when such SLOPYNESS comes to light, I can certainly give reason to people asking for more study of impact.

Re:ever ehard of cross polinisation ? (0, Troll)

Stonehand (71085) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696722)

Perhaps these "lot of people" should find themselves ANY evidence of a gene crossing plant species. After all, plants have been near other plants for, oh... thousands of years. If there were genes hopping around, sooner or later some agriculturalist should have noticed a difference. There's absolutely nothing about a modified gene that would make it more mobile.

No biological equivalent to chroot (4, Interesting)

SgtChaireBourne (457691) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696668)

Genetically modified crops can be a real controversial issue. The research can be both interesting and useful, the trouble lies in the implementation and with the rush to get things to market.

Gene hacking is not the same as the gradual breeding proceses that have gone on for millenia. In the latter, each step is relatively stable, in the former, large potentially disruptive leaps can be made more or less overnight. Unfortunately, unlike with computers you don't have the comfort of chroot and/or virtual machines.

Re:Caution... (5, Interesting)

DAldredge (2353) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696698)

That "leader" of that African country didn't refuse the food aid because it was genetically altered. It was refused because he is using food as a weapon to starve out his opponents.

Just do a google search on "Zimbabwe Food"

http://www.africaonline.com/site/Articles/1,3,50 13 2.jsp
http://www.alertnet.org/thefacts/reliefreso urces/4 89432
http://www.washtimes.com/world/20020605-231 50816.h tm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/215941 8.st m

From the first URL.

"The Zimbabwe government has told some non-governmental organisations involved in food distribution to stop operations. Aid workers have been told they could be arrested if they continue to distribute food without being registered with the government."

GM Food, Be Wary (5, Interesting)

Izeickl (529058) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696526)

Yes it has lots of good uses, but Im glad something like this has happend just to highlight that its not all perfect and that some peoples concerns are well founded.

Misleading headline (5, Interesting)

mskfisher (22425) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696531)

The headline on this story seems misleading - the genes did not jump to soybeans from the corn, the genetically-modified corn was accidentally added to some unmodified soybeans.
AFAIK, genes don't have the ability to do an inter-species jump like that...

Re:Misleading headline (3, Insightful)

RocketJeff (46275) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696581)

'Mistakes' like this are common. The average journalist (or person in general - including /. readers) doesn't know enough about science to know that genes can't "jump species" as diverse as corn to soybean.

Re:Misleading headline (2, Informative)

amoebius (157569) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696702)

Not so fast. Check this out. It has been known for over a year that pesticide producing genes can and have been transferred to human gut bacteria from ingested food.

http://www.organicconsumers.org/gefood/gegut0718 02 .cfm

Genes DO Jump Species... (2)

cybrpnk2 (579066) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696727)

Another example...

Re:Genes DO Jump Species... (4, Informative)

cybrpnk2 (579066) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696753)

I meant to say, Another example [twnside.org.sg] ...

Typical FUD (5, Insightful)

siskbc (598067) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696623)

See, this is getting ridiculous. Posting process on slashdot:

1. Slashdotter finds distuirbing article.
2. Slashdotter doesn't read it closely.
3. Slashdotter makes gross oversimplifications, including specifically some sort of doomsday scenario.
4. Slashdotter assumes there must be some GW Bush conspiracy going on.


The sad thing is that there is potential for harm here, but the overstated claims and conspiracy theories really hurt the credibility of the posted story, which itself was good.

MOD PARENT UP. (-1)

cyphixation (454446) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696719)

Ya'll motherfuckers listen to what that man just said. i'm not fuckin around here....

Slashdot is hurtin' these days.

Re:Typical FUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696738)

5. ?????
6. PROFIT!!!

Gene Swapping (5, Informative)

E. T. Alveron (617765) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696646)

Gene swapping is common among strains of bacteria (and several other microscopic buggers that undergo asexual reproduction), but not in eukaryotic or multicellular critters. Here's a brief discussion [genethik.de] of the process

Re:Misleading headline (3, Interesting)

cybrpnk2 (579066) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696672)

I'm pro-genetic engineering, but we've gotta be careful while we tamper with the forces of nature. Genes CAN apparently jump species barriers, see for example this [observer.co.uk] ...

Re:Misleading headline (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696716)

You shouldn't be so sure that genes can't jump between species. Plants are a lot more 'in contact' with each other than most realize.

1. Most plants have a symbiotic relationship with certain fungi - this is called mychorriza. This often means that seperate plants can exchange fluids wit their neighbors, among other things; for all we know this is not limited to the same species.

2. Many plants hybridize readily with other species; mostly fairly close relatives, but not always.

3. Some - perhaps all - bacteria can incorporate genetic material from other species. One could imagine a bacterium take genes from a plant or animal host and eventually passing it on to - who knows?

Finally - we don't know all there is to know about what micro organisms can and do. In fact, we know next to nothing about this. The way that some are willing to play with these things - and with the life and health of the entire planet's population (inluding you and I and our children) - is totally incomprehensible.

Actually it can be possible (2)

aepervius (535155) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696740)

There is a lot of study on cross pollinisation and inter specy gene jumping. This is also why EU has some "fear" of GMO :
[url]http://www.europarl.eu.int/charter/civil/pdf/ con8en_en.pdf[/url]
Sorry I don't know HTML to transform an URL into link. PS: you will find a lot of such link in google, just go past the first few page.

Re:Misleading headline (2)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696767)

AFAIK, genes don't have the ability to do an inter-species jump like that...

You are absolutely right. For example, there are genes in perfectly unnatural, unmodified tomatoes, but you don't find them "jumping" into humans and causing humans to develop tomato-like characteristics.

Re:Misleading headline (4, Informative)

abhinavnath (157483) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696772)

I agree that was a crappily put together headline. I thought *genes* had made the jump from corn to soy.

Genes sometimes do make interspecies jumps: at least in the lab, bacteria can transduce genes from one species to another. A bacterial plasmid (small circular piece of DNA) integrated into a host genome can excise a small part of the host's genome, replicate, and reintegrate into another host's genome, even if the second host is of a different species. Plasmid integration is fairly common in plants, and integration of the T-plasmid from B. thuringiensis is the basis for most pest-resistant crops.

Transposons could also potentially transduce genetic materials between species.

Article doesn't mention gene jumping (4, Informative)

pommiekiwifruit (570416) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696532)

It sounds like there are whole corn plants in the soybean fields (which presumably the automatic harvesting grabs together), rather than cross-species gene jumping. Still worrying but not unexpected when the US has such a cavalier attitude to segregation of GM/non-GM crops. It might also be worrying if you were allergic to normal corn (if they still grow that in the USA) (and found it in your soy food).

Re:Article doesn't mention gene jumping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696648)

The US doesn't have a cavalier attitude, hence the quarantine of the 500K bushels.

Not that 500K bushels is a lot, considering the subsidies that farmers receive every year to destroy their crops. But that is for another thread...

Re:Article doesn't mention gene jumping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696680)

500K bushels is a lot

Hehehehe.... now he's something that might actually benefit from gene jumping.

Re:Article doesn't mention gene jumping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696756)

are you suggesting that a CORN COB is brighter than Mr President??

you know, I think you might be onto something there...

Re:Article doesn't mention gene jumping (2)

jmauro (32523) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696785)

The really sad thing is that the President gaurenteed that this sort of thing could never happen and that the corn can't reproduce on its own and cannot escape it's isolation. Sucks to be them methinks. See [cbsnews.com] for your self.

How is it possible? (4, Interesting)

djkitsch (576853) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696533)

How is it practically possible to completely isolate these new genetically "enhanced" strains anyway? Surely as long a they're being grown in the big wide world, the genetic changes will crep into the food chain anyway...?

Of course, I speak as a complete idjit when it comes to all things biological...

Re:How is it possible? (1, Offtopic)

Hooya (518216) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696597)

Let's just hope we accidentally build God we already did.

Re:How is it possible? (0, Interesting)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696690)

How is it practically possible to completely isolate these new genetically "enhanced" strains anyway? Surely as long a they're being grown in the big wide world, the genetic changes will crep into the food chain anyway...?

Which is exactly why we need to not fscking grow them out in the big wide world.

GM plants should be grown only in sealed greenhouses, at least for the first few decades until we thouroughly understand them. Anything less is criminal negligence with the ecosystem.

Bush and genetically altered corn (5, Funny)

StefMeister (219044) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696538)


I did this google search for keywords ProdiGene and "george w bush". Result? A not so reassuring article.

Off course I didn't RTFA, but I guess it says that Bush ate a lot of genetically altered corn. That sure explains a lot :).

Trypsin? (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696542)

In the www.planetark.org article

The bio-corn - which is grown to produce trypsin and another compound to treat diarrhea - has not been approved for human or livestock feed.

Trypsin is a primary digestive enzyme in stomachs. I wonder what could possible go wrong with ingesting more trypsin, even if it was from another species. This other compound used to treat diarrhea couldn't be that bad either. I don't see what the real problem here is besides the small potential that someone might be allergic to this protein. I know that the FDA has to be conservative but there is no real need for a scare.

Re:Trypsin? (3, Funny)

Brandeissansoo (553129) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696574)

Perhaps they were trying to solve the "whole kernel effect" problem ...

Re:Trypsin? (0, Flamebait)

Nexus7 (2919) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696659)

Quite a few things could go wrong. The stomach secretes enzymes (also HCl, IIRC from high school). They digest food while they are contained within the protective walls of the stomach, but they may well digest your mouth if they reach there somehow.

Re:Trypsin? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696715)

but they may well digest your mouth if they reach there somehow.

So that's why my mouth feels so well digested after a hard night of the good old vodka fueled binge'n'purge fun!

insulting (-1, Offtopic)

corrosiv (116029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696551)


I thought it was in very poor taste to post Anonymous Cowdog's remark "eat Tofu, enjoy free love!" AIDS is a horrible disease, and to joke about promiscuity is incredibly insensitive and ignorant.

Re:insulting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696594)

lighten up. just because somebody posts what was probably intended as an innocent joke, doesn't mean that he is "incredibly insensitive and ignorant".

Re:insulting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696598)

Don't you watch South Park? It's been 22 years, AIDS is funny now!

Geeks Beware! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696553)

Those Fritos! They may grow you a second head.

Geeks Be Hungry! (1)

underwhelm (53409) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696766)

[says something about many eyes.]

interview with CEO of ProdiGene (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696556)

interview with Anthony G. Laos

Anthony G. Laos, president and chief executive of ProdiGene, Inc. was appointed by President George W. Bush to serve as a member of the Board for International Food and Agriculture Development (BIFAD). Mr. Laos will serve a four-year term, expiring on July 28, 2005.

BIFAD, which consists of seven members all appointed by the President, provides advice to the Administrator of the United States Agency for International Development (USAID) on international food issues such as agriculture and food security. BIFAD also assists and advises the U.S. Government Inter-Agency Working Group on Food Security in carrying out commitments made in the U.S. Country Paper for the November 1996 World Food Summit and on the Plan of Action agreed to at the summit.

"I am honored to be appointed to this position by President Bush," Laos says. " I welcome the opportunity to work with my fellow colleagues in promoting USAID policy and increasing world food production." ProdiGene, headquartered in College Station, TX, is a private biotechnology company that is developing and manufacturing industrial and pharmaceutical proteins from a transgenic plant system.

Trypsin? (4, Informative)

Ann Coulter (614889) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696559)

In the www.planetark.org article

The bio-corn - which is grown to produce trypsin and another compound to treat diarrhea - has not been approved for human or livestock feed.

Trypsin is a primary digestive enzyme in stomachs. I wonder what could possible go wrong with ingesting more trypsin, even if it was from another species. This other compound used to treat diarrhea couldn't be that bad either. I don't see what the real problem here is besides the small potential that someone might be allergic to this protein. I know that the FDA has to be conservative but there is no real need for a scare.

Sorry for replying as an Anonymous Coward

Dear Ann.. (1)

oob (131174) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696616)

Sorry for replying as an Anonymous Coward

That's perfectly alright, no need to apologise Ann Coulter, Slashdot user #614889 :)

Re:Trypsin? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696633)

"Trypsin is a primary digestive enzyme in stomachs."

You can do other things with Corn besides eat it. As for the idea that a diarrhea couldn't be that bad, I suggest you take one of the morphine derivates around, such as codeine, or imodium. Try this for, say, a week. You'll be blocked for the next week.

I think that the real problem here, though, is that the lack of care that this displays. This is certainly not the first example of genetically modified products getting more widespread than they should be.

Phil

Re:Trypsin? (1)

Azghoul (25786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696723)

Agreed.

Please, federal government / UN: Tell us what to eat! Tell us what is safe! We will eat turds if you tell us they'll prevent cancer!

No one forces you to eat this stuff, if you don't like it, dont' eat it.

This article is total FUD for the anti-capitalist left. I don't disagree with all their arguments, but stuff like this brings out the free-marketer in me.

Re:Trypsin? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696745)

No one forces you to eat this stuff, if you don't like it, dont' eat it.

You know what's the EU's problem with the GM food manufacturers?

It's not that the EU wouldn't want to let GM food in its markets. It's the refusal of the GM food manufacturers to label their food as modified.

So, in sense, they're trying to force us to eat GM food.

Re:Trypsin? (1)

GLR (6362) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696741)

Actually, Trypsin is one of the primary digestive enzymes in the small intestine. And that doesn't matter because it'd be broken up into amino acid components by the stomach first.

The body is very good about breaking up proteins before they're absorbed. Otherwise you couldn't eat a steak without throwing your whole system out of whack.

No undo's here (2, Insightful)

Cockney (102529) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696569)

This is why this technology is so frightening. Once a change is made and released into the wild it can never be undone. This is too serious to be tinkering with. Just because we can do it, it doesn't mean we should.

Re:No undo's here (2)

Psion (2244) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696675)

What's frightening? That someone accidentally planted modified corn in a soybean field? Because that's all that happened. The soybeans are unharmed, they've just grown too close to a modified crop to pass government inspection.

Not so much 'jumping'... (5, Informative)

girl_geek_antinomy (626942) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696577)

We're not actually talking about genes 'jumping' here, simply, as far as I can see, this is plain old-fashionned seed contamination. Perhaps because it involves pharmaceutical compounds (which, one would hope, would have potential biological activity), people might sit up and take notice this time, but there's a catalogue of such accidental seed-mixing events. No one really cared because, though the transgenic plants weren't -intended- for human consumption, Monsanto and their ilk were asserting that of course they were safe, and no one need worry...

It seems to me we're going to have to do a damn sight more than simply field-separation to make sure that pharmaceutical compounds don't get into the food chain... But more than likely there'll be a spate of reassuring press releases and the world will get back to normal. *sigh*

Misleading Headline (5, Informative)

andcal (196136) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696609)

What Happened: Parts of the harvested corn plants got mixed in with harvested soy beans. The resulting mixed product is contamnated, because people eating the soy product will eat some of the corn, getting the resulting altered genes in the soy.


What the headline "Drug Making Genes Added To Corn Jump To Soya" makes one think happened: genes from the corn plant somehow spontaneously or voluntarily integrated themselves into the soy plant's genes. This did not happen!

Not so reassuring? (2, Insightful)

Alethes (533985) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696624)

I was thinking, will our government protect us from doom-by-hand-me-down-genes? and on a hunch (honest!) I did this google search for keywords ProdiGene and "george w bush". Result? A not so reassuring article."

Nothing like a quick fix of leftist psychobabble to get my day going right. Just about everything you eat is genetically modified in some way from the way it first appeared on this planet. This is not a bad thing. Animal breeders breed specific animals together to enhance a trait that makes them useful for some purpose, and these companies are doing exactly the same thing with plants. Why in the world is Bush having somebody with a clue about these types of modifications on the Board for International Food and Agriculture Development a bad thing? If he had nobody on that board with a clue, then it's likely that soya would have just gone on by because nobody would have been there to tell them that it was a bad thing.

This is not news. It'd be news if the government let the soya slide by contaminated and just wrote it off as no big deal.

Re:Not so reassuring? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696684)

"Just about everything you eat is genetically modified in some way from the way it first appeared on this planet. "

This is clearly nonsense. Evolution, or selection and this form of DNA technology are clearly different. Not totally divorced, but non the less different. To suggest that the two are identical is a poor attempt to spread confusion.

We may think that genetic modification is safe, but this is different from demostrating that it is. When recombinant insulin came in, everyone thought it would be great, but as it happens it has some unexpected side effects. You have to test things even when you think its obvious.

"Why in the world is Bush having somebody with a clue about these types of modifications on the Board for International Food and Agriculture Development a bad thing? "

It's a bad thing because there is a clear conflict of interest. Having a regulator who benefits finanically from the lack of regulation is somewhat like having an auditor who benefits from the lack of critical audit. Remember Enron?

Phil

Funny you should mention that (1)

FeatureBug (158235) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696777)


The other day I was buying groceries when one of the fish flipped itself off the counter, across the floor and up to the fresh fruit and veg. I looked on in amazement as this happy-go-lucky fish mounted a pile of tomatoes and started trying to mate with them! [bbc.co.uk] Next the sales assistant came over, grabbed the fish by its fins, whacked it hard on its head and calmly replaced it back on top of its dead friends, saying, "Don't worry, it's perfectly safe. This kind of thing is happening all the time -- it's nature."

Important factors not covered by the article (1)

kafka93 (243640) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696627)

I think the big question which isn't being answered is this: as a vegetarian who eats plenty of tofu, where can I sign up for the free love? The nntp server access is getting expensive...

the basics (0, Troll)

MoceanWorker (232487) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696634)

anything genetically modified should be enough to scare anyone.. and should make someone think twice before consuming it

btw.. if you want to eat healthy and live a productive life, i suggest reading any book written by Dr. Andrew Weil [drweil.com]

Re:the basics (1)

RealityProphet (625675) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696666)

Yeah, like all those scary genetically modified bacteria that create insulin for those unfortunate enough to have diabetes. How dare they want to live!

Re:the basics (2)

Psion (2244) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696714)

Why? Because it happens to include a couple words that you find frightening? I don't, and if a GM food or other product has properties that I, as a consumer find desirable, then you can bet your Dr. Weil fanclub membership that I'll buy it and use it.

Re:the basics (1)

mungtor (306258) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696781)

Or all the genetically modified corn that grows in the fields today. Or all the genetically modified meat and vegtables that you eat every day from (I'm sure) your neighborhood organic food store.

Chances are good that even your dog has been genetically modified.

It's called selective breeding, and has been around for quite a while. However, with today's technology it is much less of a crap-shoot than it used to be. You can isolate and change a gene rather than stirring up a whole shitload of them and seeing what happens. You stand a much better chance of getting a faster dog with genetic engineering, rather than a fast, stupid, blind dog as a result of too much inbreeding. Or sweeter tasting corn that has a short growing season vs needing a season too long to be viable.

The same net result can be had either way, just the time involved and the technique differs.

The sad truth about GM foods... (2, Interesting)

DaveOf9thKey (599178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696636)

Nobody is really going to care about this issue until contaminated foods leak into the market and people start dying. When the lawsuits start flying, and when the connection between Bush and ProdiGene is covered by Dan, Peter and Tom (or perhaps Brian by then), THEN we'll start seeing some real action.

Until then, pass that Cap'n Crunch/flu vaccine this way.

We've All Watched The X-files Movie Right? (1)

3t3rn4l (204282) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696644)

As this comes as any surpise?!?! Although I am all for science, any genetic engineer/scientist should know better than to be putting these things out in the wild. This could result in an aggregious mistake suffered because of poorly executed trial and error! Admittedly, I'm far from a genetic engineering expert, but is it really that wise to be essentially cutting some SEEMINGLY unimportant part of the plant's gene out
[ READ: We don't understand the gene's function ] and replacing it with some other gene that we want it to use? This is complete foolishness.

What, if this were practiced in the software industry, we would have something like M$? Oops.

Okay now everybody, remember: DUCK AND COVER!!!

Giving The Devil Its Due (2)

istartedi (132515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696647)

I'm not usually one to side with the anti-bush puppet-protesting Stankoists commies; but I'll give the Devil its due on this one. A similar Google search for Prodigene + "Bill Clinton" turned up nothing similar.

Politics aside, this business of releasing geneticly altered crops into the wild smacks of the kind of overconfidence and "put on your manager hat" thinking that lead to the sinking of the Titanic and the Challenger disaster. It's only a matter of time before we do something really silly like kill all the corn or turn our wheat into poison.

Re:Giving The Devil Its Due (1)

Azghoul (25786) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696701)

Oh please.

Your 'gardener' sig takes the cake in this case. Where should we stop? At what point is selective breeding okay and genetic modification by other means not okay? Is there a fine line we should be walking? Please enlighten us.

Amber mutations (5, Interesting)

daniel_howell (457947) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696650)

Whatever happened to 'amber mutations' for this sort of genetically engineered 'drugs factory'? An amber mutation is one which will not kill the plant/animal with it, provided it gets some substance not commonly available in the environment. But if the susbtance is not provided then the organism simply dies.

It was originally used with lab and sealed-vat based organisms to protect against accidental releases, but it could easilly be applied to farm based plants. Since the kind of farming that uses genetically modified organisms also tends to use a significant quantity of pesticides, herbicides, and fertilizers it would be simple to add one more non-toxic chemical to the mix, without which the plants would simply die (or fail to reproduce). You could then deal with any problems by withdrawing the supplement, and any escapees would quickly die. There would still be a slight risk of genetic 'contamination' of nearby crops, but it would be much lower than at present.

If I were a cynical type I would suspect that biotechnology companies are counting on accidental contamination to make it impossible to ever go back to a 'GMO free' state, thus safeguarding their business. Another (cynical) alternative is that to build in a safeguard is tantamount to admitting that you *need* a safeguard, which would adversly affect their sales.

Sometimes it's hard not to be a cynic.

Re:Amber mutations (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696706)

"Whatever happened to 'amber mutations' for this sort of genetically engineered 'drugs factory'? An amber mutation is one which will not kill the plant/animal with it, provided it gets some substance not commonly available in the environment. But if the susbtance is not provided then the organism simply dies."

Obviously this requires the release of "some substance not commonly available" in large quantities into the environment. Apart from being expensive, this would potentially be highly polluting.

Phil

Re:Amber mutations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696782)

If I were a cynical type I would suspect that biotechnology companies are counting on accidental contamination to make it impossible to ever go back to a 'GMO free' state

Actually, this is already happening. 60 minutes had a story about a Canadian farmer that got clusterfucked by some gene modifying company when their modified crop blew into his fields (though, one can speculate they indeed wanted this spread to be able to extort even non-believers to pay for it).

CRACK SMOKING EDITORS (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696653)

Look dweebs, there's NOTHING in ANY of these stories about GENES FROM CORN JUMPING TO SOY. What they DO say is that some SEEDS GOT MIXED TOGETHER.

This is EXACTLY what the anti-GM lobby loves to scream and yell about that the sky is falling, so this submitter has obviously spun the story to become anti-GM.

Increasing Problem (3, Informative)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696661)

This is not the first time that there have been mix-ups with genetically engineered crops. Such mix-ups are becoming entirely too frequent. Although no injuries have happened to date, that we know of, this is a dangerous situation.

The frightening thing is that this is very likely to become far more common as more and more genetically engineered crops are developed and their use becomes more widespread. So far, the mix-ups have been caught, or so we hope. But, the likelyhood of such crops escaping into the consumer market and the wild is rapidly increasing and the unknown dangers that go with them are frightening.

Man has always tampered with nature with many disaterous results to show for it. The transplanting of non-native species has almost always resulted in a proliferation of the species which then becomes a niusance. Think killer bees, cane toads, rabies, lethal yellowing, dutch elm disease, citrus canker etc...

No one knows what negative effects these genetically altered crops will present in the future. All that we do know is that the opportunity for disaster is enormous.

Re:Increasing Problem (2, Interesting)

RealityProphet (625675) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696729)

Taken from another tack, remember that the modifications are usually patented. So, if a crop of genetically modified plants is in close proximity to other crops, it could dirty other farmers' crops. This could cause them to have to destroy their entire crop, for no other reason than being downwind of a genetically modified crop.

All you paranoid anti-gmo people... (2, Funny)

sterno (16320) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696669)

See, all of you people were over-reacting! Genetically modifying crops is perfectly safe and we understand all of the ramifications of everything we are doing. I mean sure there was a leap from corn to soy beans, but that's well within tolerances. Now, if the gentic modifications had jumped to say, badgers, then that would be something to have concern about. As it now stands this just demonstrates that all precautions are being taken and that we are perfectly safe.

Re:All you paranoid anti-gmo people... (2)

istartedi (132515) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696728)

Now, if the gentic modifications had jumped to say, badgers

Or worse yet, it could jump to dogs and cats. That reminds me, it's time to feed Rover, my golden r

NO CARRIER

What to do...? (2, Insightful)

girl_geek_antinomy (626942) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696676)

I'm very split over this end of biotech. On the one hand, using gen-tech plants (and possibly animals) to produce drugs and vaccines is one of the most exciting and potentially revolutionary applications of genetic engineering technology. It's much more efficient to produce big organic molecules in suitable organic systems than it is in test tubes... It seems to me to be a much more worthy application of the technology than using it to increase profit margins and control farmers behaviour.

On the other hand, producing biologically active compounds - which, one would hope, drugs and vaccines are - raises the stakes on control of seeds and pollen, and the need for safety assurance,sky high.

So what do we do? Cover acres with air-conditionned glass-houses? Give up on the huge potential benefits just in case something goes wrong? Can we trust the biotech companies given how snuggly in bed they seem to be with most of the governments of the Western world...?

How do such transfers happen? (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696679)

Does anyone know the vector that allowed the genes to transfer?

They do not ... (breathe in, exhale, repeat) (5, Interesting)

JoeGee (85189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696771)

Read farther down in the posts. Some leftover GM corn kernels were allowed to mature in fields which had been replanted with non-GM soybeans. The resulting harvest had soybean seeds mixed with a tiny amount of GM corn kernels.

The soybeans did not acquire genetic material from the corn.

It is my (possibly flawed) understanding that such a transfer might, might, conceivably (we're talking one in several million odds or so) happen with a viral vector, but such a virus would be considerably more likely to glom onto a completely different corn gene and transpose it. Even if the modified gene did jump, the virus carying the gene would have to infect one of the soybean's sex cells to be present in the end food product, or to be passed on.

Question - (2)

big_groo (237634) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696692)

Why aren't GM crops grown in greenhouses?

Wouldn't this avoid this sort of thing in the future?

Re:Question - (1)

RealityProphet (625675) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696757)

Because you might want to create more than a token amount of the product. Imagine covering several square miles of fields with greenhouse glass!

The Art of Cunniligus (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696705)

Hey, I have a lot of respect for all you guys who like to eat pussy because there are too few of you out there. And I'm not the only woman who says this. Furthermore, some of you guys who are giving it the old college try are not doing too well, so maybe this little lesson will help you out. When a woman finds a man who gives good head, she's found a treasure she's not going to let go of him too quickly. This is one rare customer and she knows it. She won't even tell her girlfriends about it or that guy will become the most popular man in town. So, remember, most guys can fuck, and those who can usually do it satisfactorily, but the guy who gives good head, he's got it made.

Most women are shy about their bodies. Even if you've got the world's most gorgeous woman in bed with you, she's going to worry about how you like her body. Tell her it's beautiful, tell her which parts you like best, tell her anything, but get her to trust you enough to let you down between her legs. Now stop and look at what you see.
Beautiful, isn't it?

There is nothing that makes a woman more unique than her pussy.

I know. I've seen plenty of them. They come in all different sizes, colors and shapes; some are tucked inside like a little girl's cunnie and some have thick luscious lips that come out to greet you. Some are nested in brushes of fur and others are covered with transparent fuzz. Appreciate your woman's unique qualities and tell her what makes her special. Women are a good deal more verbal than men, especially during love-making. They also respond more to verbal love, which means, the more you talk to her, the easier it will be to get her off. So all the time you're petting and stroking her beautiful pussy, talk to her about it.

Now look at it again.

Gently pull the lips apart and look at her inner lips, even lick them if you want to. Now spread the tops of her pussy up until you can find her clit. Women have clits in all different sizes, just like you guys have different sized cocks. It doesn't mean a thing as far as her capacity for orgasm. All it means is more of her is hidden underneath her foreskin.

Whenever you touch a woman's pussy, make sure your finger is wet. You can lick it or moisten it with juices from inside her. Be sure, by all means, to wet it before you touch her clit because it doesn't have any juices of its own and it's extremely sensitive. Your finger will stick to it if it's dry and that hurts. But you don't want to touch her clit anyway. You have to work up to that. Before she becomes aroused, her clit is too delicate to be handled.

Approach her pussy slowly. Women, even more so than men, love to be teased. The inner part of her thigh is her most tender spot. Lick it, kiss it, make designs on it with the tip of your tongue. Come dangerously close to her pussy, then float away. Make her anticipate it.

Now lick the crease where her leg joins her pussy. Nuzzle your face into her bush. Brush your lips over her slit without pressing down on it to further excite her. After you've done this to the point where your lady is bucking up from her seat and she's straining to get more of you closer to her, then put your lips right on top of her slit.

Kiss her, gently, then harder. Now use your tongue to separate her pussy lips and when she opens up, run your tongue up and down between the layers of pussy flesh. Gently spread her legs more with your hands. Everything you do with a woman you're about to eat must be done gently.

Tongue-fuck her. This feels divine. It also teases the hell out of her because by now she wants some attention given to her clit. Check it out. See if her clit has gotten hard enough to peek out of its covering. If so, lick it. If you can't see it, it might still be waiting for you underneath. So bring your tongue up to the top of her slit and feel for her clit. You may barely experience its presence. But even if you can't feel the tiny pearl, you can make it rise by licking the skin that covers it. Lick hard now and press into her skin.

Gently pull the pussy lips away and flick your tongue against the clit, hood covered or not. Do this quickly. This should cause her legs to shudder. When you sense she's getting up there toward orgasm, make your lips into an O and take the clit into your mouth. Start to suck gently and watch your lady's face for her reaction. If she can handle it, begin to suck harder. If she digs it, suck even harder. Go with her. If she lifts her pelvis into the air with the tension of her rising orgasm, move with her, don't fight her. Hang on, and keep your hot mouth on her clit. Don't let go. That's what she'll be saying too: 'Don't stop. Don't ever stop!'

There's a reason for that - most men stop too soon. Just like with cock sucking, this is something worth learning about and worth learning to do well. I know a man who's a lousy fuck, simply lousy, but he can eat pussy like nobody I know and he never has trouble getting a date. Girls are falling all over him.

But back to your pussy eating session...There's another thing you can do to intensify your woman's pleasure. You can finger-fuck her while she's enjoying your clit-licking talents. Before, during or after. She'll really like it. In addition to the erogenous zones surrounding her clit, a woman has another extremely sensitive area at the roof of her vagina. This is what you rub up against when you're fucking her. Well, since your cock is pretty far away from your mouth, your fingers will have to do the fucking.

Take two fingers. One is too skinny and three is too wide and therefore can't get deep enough. Make sure they're wet so you don't irritate her skin. Slide them inside, slowly at first, then a little faster. Fuck her with them rhythmically. Speed up only when she does. Listen to her breathing.

She'll let you know what to do. If you're sucking her clit and finger-fucking her at the same time, you're giving her far more stimulation than you would be giving her with your cock alone. So you can count on it that she's getting high on this. If there's any doubt, check her out for symptoms. Each woman is unique. You may have one whose nipples get hard when she's excited or only when she's having an orgasm. Your girl might flush red or begin to tremble. Get to know her symptoms and you'll be a more sensitive lover.

When she starts to have an orgasm, for heaven's sakes, don't let go of that clit. Hang in there for the duration. When she starts to come down from the first orgasm, press your tongue along the underside of the clit, leaving your lips covering the top. Move your tongue in and out of her cunt. If your fingers are inside, move them a little too, gently though, things are extremely sensitive just now.

If you play your cards right, you'll get some multiple orgasms this way. A woman stays excited for a full hour after she's had an orgasm. Do you realize the full impact of that information? The potential? One woman was clocked at 56 orgasms at one sitting. Do you know what effect you would have on a woman you gave 56 orgasms to? She'd be yours as long as you wanted her.

The last advice I have for you is this: After you've made her come, made her your slave by giving her the best head she's ever had, don't leave her alone just yet. Talk to her, stroke her body, caress her breasts. Keep making love to her quietly until she's come all the way down. A man can get off and go to sleep in the same breath and feel no remorse, no sense of loss. But a woman by nature requires some sensitivity from her lover in those first few moments after sex.

Oral sex can be the most exciting sexual experiences you can have. But it's what you make it. Take your time, practice often, pay attention to your lover's signals, and most of all, enjoy yourself.

The G-Spot

This does exist. And in over half of the women out there, it works better than anything else you can do to cause a strong, prolonged orgasm. The original name is the Grafenberg spot, after a doctor, Earnest Grafenberg, who documented the area (which may have been known by people here and there throughout history) in the fifties.

This "spot" is a small "mound" of tissue inside the vagina, between a penny and quarter in size, which responds to being pressed upon. It's almost certainly not the skenes glands, (which are located around the urethra, which is behind the G-spot area), as has been suggested by a few people. In fact, the G-Spot is the tissue in that raised area of the vagina, which has a higher concentration of sexual nerves, and produces hormones similar to those made by the male's prostate gland.

A sort of map to the area -- Imagine your lover lying on her back, legs spread. Your position is between her legs. You would slide a finger inside her vagina, palm up. With your finger straight back, middle finger is best, you would curve it toward yourself, gently, as if you were gesturing to someone to "come here". In doing so, the area you press on should be pretty near her "G-Spot" area. If you know enough to follow the urethra (the tube that leads from the bladder to where the pee comes out), along the inside of her vagina, you may feel a slight swelling (if she's excited) at the point where the g-spot is.

She must be excited, especially if either you or she is new to the g-spot, for the g-spot to have any real effect at all. It's not the ideal area for getting your lover aroused.

But when she is excited, this area (more often than not) is the best way to bring her to orgasm. You work your way back to it gradually, teasing her (typically, this works best) with your fingers, slowly and gently. It's easier to hit the right area with two fingers, but this may not be comfortable for her, depending on how "tight" she is at that moment. When you have your fingers around the right area, try gently pressing, not too quickly. The movement should be fairly rhythmic. It's typically best if you're licking her clitoris (or near it, depending on the woman) at the same time...don't make a big deal out of the "quest", this will often make her feel self-conscious, or distracted. The licking should seem to be the primary activity.

When you find the right area, she should respond by getting more excited. Most of the vagina's inside surface isn't really that sexually sensitive, believe it or not...most of the excitement of randomly inserting fingers is more psychological than from the actual stimulation.

While more complicated techniques work with some women, some of the time, the best basic technique, upon finding the g-spot, is to continue to slowly, rhythmically press on it, while licking her clitoris (for a few women, the labia (lips) are sensitive to licking, too).

This should cause her to build up to an orgasm.

A G-Spot orgasm is different (always, when it works at all) than any other kind women have. It is possible, with some women, to have different qualities and kinds of orgasms from vaginal, clitoral, anal, and even breast stimulation...but with other women, those kinds of orgasms are all pretty much the same. But the G-Spot orgasm not only feels different; it also causes her body to react in a different way.

First, it often causes a "push out" orgasm. The area around, or "above" (farther inside, that is) your fingers seems to swell up or to contract toward the opening of her vagina.

If you find the right combination of pushing back when this happens, and slacking off to let it push out, you can cause (in perhaps half of the women) her orgasm to continue happening, long after normal ones would have subsided. In some women you can even keep her at a "plateau" (raised level) of sexual excitement, like a prolonged orgasm (or a little less than one) afterward, building up to an even bigger climax.

That brings me to another important point; G-Spot orgasms sometimes causes a huge amount (relatively speaking) of lubrication (juices, wetness)...far more than even the most excited woman gets from "conventional" stimulation.

When that extra wetness combines with the push-out orgasm, you get actual ejaculation...like a guy, but much better tasting. The built up juices can shoot out in such volume that you, or she, may be afraid that she lost control of her bladder. That is (almost always) not what happened. The fear that she peed can be enhanced by the fact that the urethra is behind the g-spot, so that in rare cases the woman can sometimes get the feeling that she needs to pee, even though she does not.

In reality, in both men and women, enough sexual excitement prevents peeing, unless you try really hard. This is a built-in reflex, because urine is something of a spermicide. The "pee hard-on" that men get in the morning is partially his body taking advantage of this reflex, to keep him from accidentally wetting the bed with the urine that built up while he was sleeping.

Taste

Anyone who likes, say, coffee or beer should have no room to complain about the way most women taste. No, I don't mean it tastes like coffee or beer, genius...I mean that beer and coffee are, at best, acquired tastes...they are not naturally pleasant to a human being, no matter how much your addiction to one or both has convinced you otherwise. Most people, whether they remember it or not, had to learn to like the taste of beer/coffee, and had the desire to be Like the Adults to help them along. Well, I'd list taking pleasure in cunnilingus above drinking addictive beverages on the list of things that prove maturity. Aside from that, there's the fact that many people who give it an honest try genuinely enjoy the taste/smell.

Made up problem (5, Insightful)

Cpt_Kirks (37296) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696709)

I grew up farming corn and beans. Soybeans are a broadleaf plant. Corn is a grass. Grass killer sprayed on soybeans will kill the corn plants that come up.

Also, corn grows about four feet taller than soybeans. Picking out the corn should be no problem.

Really though, GM stuff should be grown in totally separate fields and the fields kept separate.

Big deal? (5, Interesting)

jaredcoleman (616268) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696710)

Maybe I'm dense, but I don't understand the huge fear about genetically altered food. Sure it would be bad if say, a large number of plants were altered to take in oxygen and release CO2, but why can't I eat such a plant? It's not like my body is going to absorb their DNA, actually my enzymes and acids will break the food down and absorb the nutrients, then get rid of the waste. As long as a company can show that any genetic alterations do not make the plant produce poisons, what's the big deal? I've been wondering this for a while, and help would be appreciated.

why is george bush a badguy in this? (1, Insightful)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696713)

Anthony G. Laos, president and chief executive of ProdiGene, Inc. was appointed by President George W. Bush to serve as a member of the Board for International Food and Agriculture Development (BIFAD).


So he appointed somebody that knows all about agriculture to a board of agriculture. Would you rather he appoint someone that knows nothing of agriculture?
Like they get on bush for having all these oil guys in the energy meetings. Better them than people who know nothing of energy production... but I digress

Really, how could you possibly lay blame on Bush for this?!
seems like just another case of typical conservative bashing... no objective independant thought shown on the part of the article submitter

Tomacco... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696718)

I'm much more worried about other genetically modified food stuffs [thesimpsons.com] ...

"Oh, Daddy, this tastes like grandma."

--Ralph Wiggum

Soybean + Corn = Plantiality? (5, Insightful)

dlur (518696) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696720)

Last I checked Corn and Soybean plants can't cross-pollinate. Nor do they have any other means to transfer their genes from one species to another.

I highly doubt that the Corn stalks were 'gettin it on' with the Soybean plants, spreading free love and pollen accross the species barrier. This would be like a pig mating with an elephant, and is thus merely the stuff of dreams and fantasies in a biologist's world.

It's highly likely that what actually happened was wrongly interpreted, and a totally misinformed journalist created a hyped up headline that didn't even begin to convey what actually happened. Most likely the farmers that grew the genetically altered corn used harvesting equipment (combines) which like nearly all combines are unable to be 100% effecient in gathering the crops, and as such allow some of the corn to fall back to the earth and become seed. Next year the farmer goes back in, tills up the land, plants his soybean crops in the same field, and soon enough a couple of corn stalks crop up. You'll see this in many soybean fields in the midwest, a couple of stalks of corn standing up in a vast field of what is otherwise soybeans. Even if there are few to no weeds, you'll still usually see some corn, because the herbicides are designed not to kill corn and soybeans, but everything else. When the soybeans were harvested, a couple of corn stalks were harvested along with it, even though a bean head on a combine is not designed to harvest corn, it usually is able to pull a few kernels off the cobb when plowing through the beans. Low and behold, some genetically altered 2nd generation corn gets into the soybeans. Big deal.

In other news (0, Flamebait)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696762)

Militant nasty people who hate change in general declare a ban on natural mutations and new hybrids, contending that not enough is known about the "new mutants" and "half breeds" long-term safety for humans. One of them was reported as saying "We know enough about the half breeds that have been with us for some time, but these new guys, we're just not sure."

Doesn't sound so bad to me. (2)

FreeLinux (555387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696776)

The "Not so reassuring article", doesn't look so bad to me.

He was appointed to the USAID, note the "I", as in International Development. This is an obscure trade board with little or no policy making power that is likely to do little more that waste some more money. It's not as if he was appointed to head the USDA. Also, the fact the you'd go looking for GWB connections with this rather screams your conspiracy theorist paranoia, eh?

Now, if I was in Russia I might be concerned that this guy is going to push a bunch of mutant corn down my throat but, in Niceville, USA he's not going to have much impact.

Of course, if genetically engineered food escapes into the wild, even on another continent, it will eventually come back to haunt us.

maybe.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4696778)

eat Tofu, enjoy free love

I guess it will be called Bufu :)

Pick One (1, Troll)

Omkar (618823) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696784)

1. Mass Starvation 2. A major plague (>2 billion dead) 3. GM Crops We don't have much of a choice. In the long run, natural systems will not be efficient enough to supply humanity. Until we begin to colonize space, we need GM crops to eat.

Genetic mutated food (3, Funny)

ejaw5 (570071) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696793)

Homer:this corn looks normal to me

Marge:That's baby corn

Homer: WHAAAAT?!?!!

Lisa: Mom...my potato is eating my carrot

Was this REALLY contamination??? (3, Insightful)

RobertAG (176761) | more than 11 years ago | (#4696796)

The article says that an inspector first became suspicious because he noticed corn plants among the harvested soybeans. IANAF (I am not a farmer), but I would imagine that it doesn't take too much intelligence to discern corn from soybeans and any mixing of the plants can be quickly dealt with at a processing plant.

Also, given that only a few corn plants were present among tons of soybeans, what is the real danger of poisoning someone? Since soybeans are processed into edible and non-edible products, is there a REAL, measurable danger?

Vaccines and pharmaceutical drugs generally help a lot more people than they hurt. Are we going to ban GE foods because a few people might have a problem with them? Why not ban the peanut plant, since peanuts DO cause allergic reactions in some people?

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