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War of Honor

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the sounds-like-klingon-to-me dept.

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nellardo writes "War of Honor is out, complete with the aforementioned CD-ROM full of free, unencrypted novels. If you're a true fan of Honor Harrington, you probably don't need this review - you've already bought the book. If you're just waiting for paperback, don't, because the CD-ROM included with the book is worth the price of the book. If you're new to the Honor Harrington series, reading the book itself is not the place to start, but with the entire series (and then some) on the CD, you might want to pick up the book anyway, just for the CD-ROM."

War of Honor is the tenth full novel in David Weber's Honor Harrington series, and thirteenth book (there being three collections of stories set in the so-called "Honorverse"). For those of you that have read the earlier novels, this is more of the same, though Honor herself figures perhaps somewhat less prominently in it than in previous novels. It's got Weber's usual rich and detailed plot, along with Weber's occassionally turgid and expository writing.

One thing that makes this novel different from the others is that Weber has fully incorporated characters and plot lines from the short stories set in the "Honorverse" but penned by other authors. Earlier novels had made allusions to some of Weber's own short stories, but none had integrated another author's work to the extent that War of Honor does. Of course, this does nothing to simplify the plot or reduce the expository interludes (Weber includes enough explanation so that you can follow the plot without having read the prior short story). It does add to the flavor though, and helps keep Weber from simply retreading old ground.

Discussion of the plot, even aside from spoiler concerns, is well-nigh impossible. There's simply too much that happens. This isn't a book that could be a film - it's a mini-series, even without the prior nine novels. War of Honor is not a light and fluffy read. It's a good two hundred pages longer than the previous novel (Ashes of Victory) and doesn't have some of the breezy, happy passages of its predecessor. In fact, you might want to take a break halfway through - I did, with a complete novel in a much lighter vein (bad pun - it was an Anita Blake, Vampire Hunter novel). Suffice it to say that Weber knows how to write the next installment in a series: this one resolves enough threads to make it satisfying and opens enough new ones that readers will continue to scream for the next novel.

What Slashdotters are most familiar with, though, is the CD-ROM that's been discussed here before. And it's a nice one, to be sure. While the books on the CD themselves are available at Baen's Free Library, the CD contains more.

One of the most wonderful resources is the art gallery: the covers of the most recent editions of the Honor Harrington books as jpg images, all at 800x1200 pixel resolution or greater. Not scans of the covers but images of the original art, without the title graphics or anything else. I predict some very nice wallpapers coming soon to a site near you.

The CD-ROM also has other lovely tidbits, such as audio selections from several novels and MP3s of songs from the group Echo's Children. So even if you haven't caught this filk group at a sci-fi con, you still get their songs and lyrics based on events in the Harrington novels.

And all of this is on top of all the books on the CD-ROM. All ten Harrington novels, and yes, that includes War of Honor itself. All three collections of Harrington stories. And twenty five (not the previously-reported twenty two) other books, from the likes of David Drake, Eric Flint, Dave Freer, Mercedes Lackey, Keith Laumer, Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, John Ringo, and James H. Schmitz. No encryption. No copy protection. In several formats each, including HTML, Microsoft Reader, Mobipocket, Rocket, and RTF files.

Put it all together in one no-download place and the CD-ROM is arguably worth the price of the hardcover book all by itself. Certainly, no new release CD-ROM sold by itself is going to sell for much less than US$26 (the cost of the book).

I'm of course reminded of Tim O'Reilly's (and many others) numerous comments to the effect that obscurity is a bigger problem for publishers than piracy. Jim Baen evidently agrees. He's just put the full text of a brand new flagship property (another bad pun, I'm sorry) in the clear. The disk even says you can copy it. Stamped right on the disk: "This disk and its contents may be copied and shared but NOT sold." Even the copyright notice says "All commercial rights reserved." Not "All rights reserved."

Given the popularity of the Honor Harrington series over all, it's just possible that this novel will make the NY Times (free reg, blah blah :-) best sellers list. And if it did, with its entire text freely and legally available on the net, wouldn't that be an interesting place for publishing to be?


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Perfect For Slashbots! (-1, Flamebait)

perl_god (578135) | more than 11 years ago | (#4731960)

A collection of stories set in the "Homoverse"

2nd post!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4731965)

for the somethingawful crew

FYAD LOL!!!

FP!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4731967)

FP!!

There's nothing honorable about war (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4731969)

No war in Iraq!

Re:There's nothing honorable about war (-1)

confucio-licious (555476) | more than 11 years ago | (#4731985)

fuck you! every iraqi soldier killed is another prayer answered. you faggot. down with sadaam!

Re:There's nothing honorable about war (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732046)

prayer answered

Yeah. Osama bin Laden's prayer. He'd get exactly what he always wanted. USA attacking an arab country on a yet another crusade. Iraq drags the Israel into the conflict and you've got all the arab countries on the offensive. Result: either the USA/UK troops are defeated or the arabs are driven back and take such huge civilian losses that USA/UK will be seen afterwards as the worst mass murderers of the history. Win-win for the good old Osama.

Invading a sovereign country simply because you don't like its leader is not foreign policy. It's barbaric empire building.

Bill Clinton

So? The guy likes vaginas. Doesn't everybody?

Re:There's nothing honorable about war (-1)

c0nfucio-licious (594487) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732080)

The US is already considered the worst mass murderers in history. Oh, and there is no way the USA/UK would ever be defeated by any arab nation, even if they tried a joint effort...we (the USA/UK) are going to do whatever we want and there is nothing you can do about it. Yes, I know, I am a spoiled, arrogant American, but I have every reason to be. Oh, I almost forgot the icing on the cake...God bless Israel!

you (-1)

c0nfucio-licious (594487) | more than 11 years ago | (#4731972)

you are a sucker of penis. first post.

Re:you (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732005)

Laptops are too hot [yahoo.com]

Re:you (-1)

confucio-licious (555476) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732022)

hahaha! that was the funniest thing I have read today! Well, I have to line up another rail of meth so I can get to work...

CD overkill... (0, Redundant)

bje2 (533276) | more than 11 years ago | (#4731987)

"War of Honor is out, complete with the aforementioned CD-ROM full of free, unencrypted novels. If you're a true fan of Honor Harrington, you probably don't need this review - you've already bought the book. If you're just waiting for paperback, don't, because the CD-ROM included with the book is worth the price of the book. If you're new to the Honor Harrington series, reading the book itself is not the place to start, but with the entire series (and then some) on the CD, you might want to pick up the book anyway, just for the CD-ROM."

wow, 4 mentions of the "CD" or "CD-ROM" in the 3 sentence summary of the review...

wait, i'm still unclear...does nellardo think the CD is good, or not?

Cheaper prices (5, Informative)

gmajor (514414) | more than 11 years ago | (#4731989)

Buy.com has it for $16.38 (shipping included). Wal-mart.com has it for $17.98. All are cheaper than bn.com $20.80. Spend the four dollar differential on something nice!

Ahh, the joys of capitalism.

Re:Cheaper prices (3, Insightful)

BurritoWarrior (90481) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732044)

Is this an Ad posing as a story? Why is the BN.com link a "bfast" one? Is Slashdot getting a referral commission on people who buy through that link?

I am not trolling, I am seriously wondering.

Re:Cheaper prices (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732107)

Shhhhhh... You are on to something. Follow the money!

Re:Cheaper prices (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732191)


This is definitely not a new idea. But the obviousness of the situation is coming to light.

While I'm criticizing, the moderation points system needs to relate to the total number of posts on the system. Otherwise you can keep reposting your poorly moderated posts (like this one will be?) until there are not enough mod points left to mod it down for a 2nd or 3rd time.

Re:Cheaper prices (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732231)

Yes I 100% agree with you. I actually meant to post this as anonymous coward, but accidentally forgot to click the "post anonymously" box (which I didn't forget this time!).

Re:Cheaper prices (5, Insightful)

edmo (619449) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732168)

Here I would like to ask /.ers to buy the book at their local mom n pop bookstore
We all complain about the power of the large corporations, but unless we put our $ where our mouth is were just making the problem worse, who cars if it costs an extra $5, I'm sure most of you can spare it

Re:Cheaper prices (2)

Reziac (43301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732368)

Here in SoCal, mom & pop bookstores are scarce as hen's teeth. I'm told Dangerous Visions just shut down, and if they couldn't make it here, who can??

Re:Cheaper prices -- DMCA Violation (1)

AltImage (626465) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732510)

Your publication of these sale prices is a clear violation of the DMCA. The next knock at your door will be gun toting FBI agents. You're in a world of hurt now, buddy....

Problems with WoH (3, Interesting)

ed (79221) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732007)

Unfortunately the characters suffer in WoH. The bad guy Manties (and peep) are just too easy to hate. It's almost as it they wore big black moustaches, black cloaks,top hats and were tying young heiresses onto railway tracks.

Not one of the better ones.

Re:Problems with WoH (3, Interesting)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732081)

Unfortunately the characters suffer in WoH. The bad guy Manties (and peep) are just too easy to hate. It's almost as it they wore big black moustaches, black cloaks,top hats and were tying young heiresses onto railway tracks.

The thing I most liked about the Honor Harrington series is that altho' it is "space opera", Weber takes the time to do the orbital mechanics involved. Fighting a battle in space is a lot like playing chess: everyone involved has a perfect view of the board, and decisions often have to be made well in advance of their implications actually playing a part in the battle. You have to think, I'll accelerate now, because in 6 hrs, I might have to do something else. In the Honor Harrington books, no-one ever pulls a Star Trek-style technobabble solution out of their asses and no-one ever ignores an inconvenient law of physics. These things are merely crutches for weak writers, so respect to Weber for creating as much realism as possible within the genre.

Re:Problems with WoH (2)

ajm (9538) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732414)

It mostly reminds me of Horation Hornblower in space. Certainly in the earlier books the battles were from the age of sail. Long waits while moving into position, gun decks on the side etc. It emerges "naturally" from the propulsion systems Webber sets up but it's basically the Hornblower story arc.

Re:Problems with WoH (1)

TheCrazyFinn (539383) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733372)

The first 6-7 or so books were very much Hornblower/Napoleonic Wars, right down to the head bad guy being Rob S. Pierre (Robespierre), but as of Ashes of Victory, Weber's really started to build his own story arc and the Tech has started to vary a lot from the Nelson's Navy in Space deal. He's also started to bring in Baen's big guns for the short stories (Eric Flint & John Ringo, Baen's most successful new authors of the last 5 years), and is even doing a non-Honor Novel set in the universe with Eric Flint (Crown of Slaves), using the characters from Eric's Short stories (From the Highlands & Fanatic) and on of his own (Service of the Sword).

The Crazy Finn

Re:Problems with WoH (2)

WNight (23683) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733560)

Or, the propulsion system emmerged naturally from Weber's desire to make space battles seem like old wet-navy battles (1600-1800s) and from the desire to seperate characters from central command long enough to allow real field commanders who didn't have to phone home for permission to do every little thing, as you'd end up with in a world that had instantaneous communication over interstellar distances. A good design choice, imho.

Re:Problems with WoH (2)

WNight (23683) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733504)

Quite right. One of the characters says "there's no such thing as suprise, Under those circumstances, 'surprise' usually means not that one opponent truly failed to see what was coming, but rather that she simply misinterpreted what she saw."

I like how Weber can describe a battle in tiny detail, yet doesn't every time, unlike some authors of military fiction. He always describes the new aspects, how Honor yet again "surprises" her opponent, but doesn't discuss each individual hit, except in the first book where it's new.

And you're right, there's no technobabble. If something new is invented (and the books are over twenty years, technology does change) it's discussed and you get to see the navy play with it in simulators and such, where its capabilities are firmly nailed down, so that it can't be a magic widget when needed.

Re:Problems with WoH (2, Insightful)

Tiger (9272) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732095)

Well, it's not as if David Weber's books are marvels for their subtle and complex characters.

In fact, if WoH is the first HH book you've noticed that the good guys are all really good and honourable and loyal and - occasionally - rapscallions, but nice fuzzy heart-of-gold rapscallions.. and the bad guys are power-hungry, greedy sons-o-thingames willing to climb a mountain of dead bodies to get to the top, or just plain namby-pamby liberal military-hating scumbags who are too stupid to understand political realities... (deep breath, deep breath).. where was I?

I'm a HH fan because the universe has a nice feel to it, Weber is a gifted author when it comes to describing space war, and of course big things happen on a grand scale. It's space opera.

His characters and dialogue really detract from it though. I've noticed between his HH series, and the Starfire books he co-authored with Steve White, a lot of the same characters appear - with different names.

Re:Problems with WoH (1)

TheCrazyFinn (539383) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733444)

I see you've totally missed Tom Theismann, Eloise Pritchart, Rob S. Pierre (Ruthless, yes, evil, no), Shannon Foraker, Lester Tourville, Sonja Hemphill and the many other characters who have been 'Bad guys' at one point who aren't evil. St. Just, one of the few truly evil Peeps, is a historic character. Although Weber does have a hate on for beurocrats (Ask him about the INS someday, he comes by it honestly) and 'Liberal Politicians (Note that most of the Liberals and Conservative Lords are based off current Democrats).

Re:Problems with WoH (2)

sphealey (2855) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732266)

Unfortunately the characters suffer in WoH.
That's bad, because the characters were the only thing keeping the series from sinking under the weight of the Tom-Clancy-in-the-2300s technobabble. Which is saying something considering Weber's strength with characterization (hint: sarcasm involved in that last sentence).

The first few Honors were pretty good - even my anti-tech spouse liked them. Then the Clancy-babble got louder and louder. Even I couldn't finish the last one, and I used to like technothrillers.

sPh

Re:Problems with WoH (2)

Reziac (43301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732419)

You're more tolerant than I am (tho I also write and edit, which I've found decreases my tolerance for any sort of poor writing). I made it to about the middle of the 2nd book before I'd had enough, mainly because of the cardboard characters. Skims thru later books did nothing to improve my opinion.

That said, I'm still tempted to buy the new book just because of the CD. Even if there's nothing on it I care to read, it's still a damned wonderful concept.

(And when does the Bujold CD come out??!!!)

Re:Problems with WoH (2, Informative)

Peter La Casse (3992) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733035)

(And when does the Bujold CD come out??!!!)

I've heard that her agent talked her out of electronic publishing, Baen-style, which is too bad.

Not so! Bujold is published electronically! (2, Informative)

danaris (525051) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733209)

You can download most of the Vorkosigan series (I'm not sure how many, or which ones) from www.fictionwise.com. She also puts sample chapters on the Baen site, and in one of those places is the first 11 chapters of The Curse of Chalion (if you haven't read it yet, you really need to!).

Dan Aris

Re:Problems with WoH (2)

Nightpaw (18207) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733229)

You're more tolerant than I am (tho I also write and edit, which I've found decreases my tolerance for any sort of poor writing). I made it to about the middle of the 2nd book before I'd had enough, mainly because of the cardboard characters. Skims thru later books did nothing to improve my opinion.

Who are you, Forrest J Ackerman? "Tho" and "thru" are still wrong, and yes, they may be shorter, but they still look stupid.

Manties? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4733005)

Sounds interesting, but I don't see where the male panties fit in..

Re:Problems with WoH (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4733084)

I have a theory for why there is such a precipitous drop in character quality. It is that this book is actually an Anne Rand style philosophical treatise.

The key is the "centrist" political party. Even by American standards, which are pretty far to the right compared to the rest of the first world, the party is a pretty right wing group. Most of the subplot seems to revolve around creating a political climate where the views of the main character would be considered anything but right wing. It's the torturous contortions he writer has to put the characters through to do this that destroys what is normally one of the greatest strengths of the series

Re:Problems with WoH (2)

WNight (23683) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733391)

Keep reading. The "bad guys" go from a class-ist "communism in name only" with "evil" motives to an "egalitarian" society run by madmen who'll vanish people for not cheering loudy enough, to a society that in many ways seems to be the better of the two. Through all these phases you follow people on the "evil" side who dislike the totalitarian regime they live in and yet their personal honor doesn't let them abandon their people despite their leaders. And we even see how good intentions aren't enough as a well-meaning rebel ends up being worse than the government he overthrew. But the individual people always have real motives and are always striving to do what they see as right.

In fact, Honor (the character, not the concept) deeply respects many of the enemy commanders and were circumstances different, she'd be good friends with them.

I think partly that the view of the enemies as evil changes as Honor ages and gets a broader view of her own society.

Did I miss something? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732023)

What the hell is the book about?

What what ? (1)

wossName (24185) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732039)

Given the popularity of the Honor Harrington series over all, ...

Who the hell is Honor Harrington ? No don't, I'm googling for it myself, it's just that I have never heard of him/her.

Re:What what ? (5, Informative)

NecroPuppy (222648) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732071)

It's a decent Sci-Fi series, with a such a good
following that other authors have done anthology
pieces.

What I find most interesting is that the main
character is the one who gets hurt most often.
Every other main character has gotten through the
series without permanent injury, whereas Honor is
currently down one eye and one arm.

The rest of the characters, even the minor ones,
are generally well developed, with distinct
personalities. Tho, I may be biased there, as I
am one of the minor characters. (The look on
Mom's face when she read my name was priceless.)

All in all, a decent series, well worth the read.

Re:What what ? (2)

X86Daddy (446356) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732436)

Tho, I may be biased there, as I am one of the minor characters. (The look on Mom's face when she read my name was priceless.)

I don't remember reading about Necro Puppy, the evil hexapuma. :-) So, I'm curious... which character? Are you friends with David Weber or is it just a cool coincidence?

Re:What what ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732595)

No one got hurt if you don't count all the dead "good guys." Honor is the only one that seems to only get hurt instead of dead. :-D

By the way, my personal favorite part in the book was where Oscar got shot in the head. Classic!

Re:What what ? (1)

ecs05norway (597435) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732808)

The first few books are available as free downloads right off Baen's website, if you want to take a quick look before laying out for this one and the CD...

Brief Plot Description (2, Informative)

Jerrith (6472) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732075)

**Spoiler**

Basically, the main idea in this book is that the government is in the hands of inept politicians who go too far to try and take advantage of their recently won peace.

The two main manticore fleets survive because Honor was in charge of one, and had extra ships from Grayson (sent as a training exercise), and the other was reinforced by the Grayson home fleet right as the attack begins.

With that said, there's so much going on in the book, I've hardly spoiled anything. :) I highly recommend going to read it. :)

Re:Brief Plot Description (2)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732146)

What?

Thanks for the summary, but I still haven't a clue what its about.

It it a Civil war thingy? Space epic? A Harry Potter ripoff?

Re:Brief Plot Description (1)

Drakin (415182) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732181)

It's Military Sci-Fi, wouldn't call it a space epic really...

Re:Brief Plot Description (2, Informative)

ornil (33732) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732720)

It's a space opera of sorts. With military action (strategy) and political manipulation. It's a lot like some of the Nelson-era naval fiction. Anyway, if you don't know what it's likely to be about you should not read it, go read the first book - "On Basilisk Station" (available for free in the Baen free library) and see if you like it. Then read the rest of the series in order.

Re:Brief Plot Description (2)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733051)

It it a Civil war thingy? Space epic? A Harry Potter ripoff?

Imagine if the British and Spanish empires had endured 'til the 23rd century and were fighting in starships instead of sailing ships, and you're close. Except the Spanish are a lot like the Soviet Empire, and no-one really has control of the Americas. Earth itself doesn't really feature. Honor herself starts out like Hornblower, then becomes like Nelson. In every book it's touch-and-go for a while, but eventually the Spanish get their asses handed to them on a plate, just like that time they sent an Armada over. Rule Britannia!

Agh! (4, Funny)

Drakin (415182) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732157)

I was trying so hard not to buy that book... Not that I don't like Weber's work... I like it a lot... but hard cover books here in canada cost an arm and a leg... /me goes looking for the saw, and someone willing to "donate" an arm and leg

Re:Agh! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732648)

I checked it out of the public library, the CD was in it, and the license specifically allows copying and disribution to friends. Read it on screen and you won't even have to pay a late fee.

We just bought this... (2)

SwedishChef (69313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732159)

Our company provides science-fiction books in our employee library which we all can check out and read. Many of us, in fact, donate any sci fi we get at Goodwill or other cheap sources to this library. Anyway, we just got this book and one of the guys took it home without knowing about the CDROM and was just blown away by the amount of material!!! If Baen hadn't already made us rabid fans, this would have done it!!! Well done and thanks. :)

Worst Book out of the Series (1)

rovitotv (65942) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732164)

Out of the entire series this book is the worst! Come on you have to read 3/4 of the book just to get
to the first space battle and it is tiny. The last
1/4 of the book is good, but I hate all the
politics. I read Weber for the space battles not
the politics!

Re:Worst Book out of the Series (1)

unfortunateson (527551) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732407)

Actually, I found the tech development and daring escapes of the last few novels better than either the politics or the space battles.

The politics of the first couple of books gagged me. I mean, having your villain named "Rob S. Pierre?" Care to telegraph your intentions, Dave? (For the history-challenged, go google Robespierre). The political intrigue and machinations is better than the grand-scale stuff.

The technobabble behind his ships also grated on me as a contrivance to be able to recreate a naval battle's broadsides and chases: you've got an impenetrable force field that only covers the top and bottom? Why not include another one that covers the freakin' sides. But once I'd swallowed that, the growth in tech, which parallels to some degree the naval technology of the 20th century (development of radar, aircraft carriers, etc.) got to be a lot of fun.

On Basilisk Station is an excellent read. With the free version available at Baen, and a very cheap hardcover edition floating around, there's no excuse not to read it. Like Bujold's Warrior's Apprentice, a wet-behind-the-ears prodigy parlays an impossible situation into an amazing, improbable and chortle-inducing victory.

Weber's work is not what's best about SF: thought-provoking stories where aliens mirror ourselves, or radical changes in technology serve as a model for the extreme aspects of our society, but it's great entertainment.

This is where a tablet pc would be nice (4, Interesting)

greechneb (574646) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732165)

I can't really picture reading a book off of a laptop or desktop and being comfortable. This is one case where a tablet pc might be nice to have. Although I see reading as a form of entertainment, and after I get home from staring at computers all day, I don't really want to look at any computer screens at unfortunately. I guess since I don't have the money (or the desire) to waste on a tablet, I'll just buy good old books for now

Re:This is where a tablet pc would be nice (1)

breaston (545036) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732303)

You should try the REB1100 [rca.com] . I got one from OfficeMAX several months ago on clearance for $80. You can download the older eBook librarian software which allows you to create .reb files from HTML or text files.

Re:This is where a tablet pc would be nice (2)

henben (578800) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732364)

You don't read it on a monitor, you read it on a PDA or similar. A monochrome, backlit Palm (Visor etc.) screen is surprisingly comfortable to read from, even for a whole novel. Try it.

I use an iPaq to read ebooks (3, Interesting)

_UnderTow_ (86073) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732417)

I've been using an ipaq to read ebooks lately. As the review said, the books are available in MS Reader, HTML and Palm formats. A backlit PDA is almost the perfect device to read ebooks. I've gotten so used to reading them on my ipaq that I prefer them to dead tree books.

Re:This is where a tablet pc would be nice (2)

aminorex (141494) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733161)

notebooks and subnotes are very nice to read from,
i find. palmtops are too crippled by their miniscule
storage. i love the toshiba portege 3980ct with its
11" XGA screen, weighing about what an average
harcover book weighs, but being readable in the dark.
The old porteges fold flat and feel like they are
carved from a single block of solid magnesium, they're
so tight.

now reading from a creaky 5 pound dell plastic
monstrosity so big that it bangs into things when
you walk with it in one hand, that won't fold out
flat would suck, i admit. but i won't pay for
a cf format 802.11b card that goes into a pda that won't
hold more than one book at a time and won't connect
to a cd-rom.

if you like tiny, you should check out some of the new sony's. personally, i want >=XGA in an 11 or
12" factor, and the discontinuted toshibas are
the only game in town, to my knowledge.

Reading off a screen isn't that bad! (1)

cmpalmer (234347) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733240)

When I heard about War of Honor, I remembered that I had bought the first Honor Harrington book (On Basilisk Station) last year, but never read it (I started it, but it seemed pretty lame). I dug out Basilisk and read it. About halfway through I stopped hanging up on the amateurish writing and really got into the story, so I bought the second one. It was good, so I bought the third. Then I realized that I was going to blow nearly $80 at this rate (the used bookstores around here rarely have the Harrington books), so I bought War of Honor and thought I'd give the books on CD a try.

I've read three of them so far on my laptop using the Microsoft Reader and it's really just something you have to get used to. I've read a bit of them on a monitor, but sitting in front of a monitor in an office chair just isn't the way I like to read a book. At home, I plugged in my laptop and sat it on a chair in front of the couch, lay on my side, arranged my pillows, moved around so my finger rested on the "next page" button, and started reading. After I while, I actually preferred this to propping up and reading a "real" book (although I would prefer to have the same book on a PDA so I could put it in my pocket -- or read it on the toilet).

As for the hardcover vs. paperback arguement, I tend to buy hardcovers of my favorite authors new books mostly because I'm anxious to read them or expect to re-read them. But, overall, I prefer paperbacks. It's rare that I don't have a paperback shoved in my pants pocket or jacket pocket.

Regarding Weber himself, his writing gets better as the series progresses, but, as other posters have commented, his plotting suffers as he becomes overconfident. Plus, if I read "the bomb pumped X-ray lasers clawed at the cruiser's sidewalls" on more time, I'm going to scream. You could make a good drinking game on his descriptive cliches.

The books aren't as good as Bujold's Miles books, but they are entertaining if you like that sort of thing.

Why wait? (4, Insightful)

bleckywelcky (518520) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732208)


Personally, I'm baffled as to why anyone waits for a book they may want to come out in paperback. For something along the lines of a $25 hard cover book, the paperback version may be, at best, $15. You save a couple bucks but have to wait a long time until the initial hype and/or sales are done with before they start getting paperback versions out. I actually just go straight for the hard cover whenever I buy any book that is more than a hundred or so pages because it feels better when I'm reading it. There is some structure to the book, the pages don't get all messed up as easily, a good hard cover feels great to read by a fire or on some cold rainy day.

Several reasons. (1, Troll)

Unknown Poltroon (31628) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732390)

4x the cost.
I prefer paperbacks, theyre lighter, and easier to read for me at least.

Re:Why wait? (3, Insightful)

Reziac (43301) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732473)

I don't know where you're shopping, but in the SF/F market, the differential right now is typically $24.95/hardback, $6.95/paperback, and the wait period for ppbk is down to a few months. And maybe *you* can toss down $25 on a book, but some of us can't justify that much for entertainment.

Hardbacks have more durable bindings, yes, but as a rule they're not printed on as good a quality paper as the better paperbacks (excepting Del Rey paperbacks, who use ink that smears if you look at it crosseyed). I know I have to be more careful to avoid tearing pages when I read a hardback.

As to other reasons to prefer paperbacks -- they're more portable; they're a better size for curling around; you don't need to use both hands, or a hand and your lap, to hang onto 'em.

YMMV, of course.

Econ 101 (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732486)

Price discrimination. Lets say you have 10,000 people who are hardcore fans of the series or author, or just prefer hardcover books, and are willing to pay $25 for a copy. You also have 90,000 casual readers who don't think that the book would be worth $25, but would pay $15 for a hardcover book. So what do you do?

1. Print the book in hardcover only. You will have 10,000 readers * $25/book = $250,000.

2. Print the book as a paperback. You will have 100,000 readers * $15/book = $1,500,000.

3. Print the book in both hardcover and paperback. You will have $250,000 from the hardcover sales, and 90,000 readers * 15/book = $1,350,000. Your total revenue is $1,600,000. You just made an extra hundred grand.

With price discrimination, each group of consumers is able to pay what they want, so the publisher can earn extra revenue by allowing consumers that are willing to pay a higher price to do so. Similar principles are at work in airfare pricing (first class and coach), coupon clipping, and discount cinemas/matinees.

Re:Econ 101 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732520)

whoops, I mean "$15 for a paperback", not hardcover.

ugh...slow down cowboy...

Somebody else is bound to do this, so I might as well get it out of the way now...

4. ???
5. Profit!

Re:Why wait? (1)

captaincucumber (450913) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732560)

some people are tighter with their money. When I was in HS, books cost about the same as they do now, but I was making $4.25/hour. After taxes, I'd have to work about 8 hours bagging groceries to buy a hard cover book.

Even now that I make a lot more than that, all my money disappears into rent, college loans, 401k, and saving for a downpayment for a house, so even now I can't justify purchasing a hardcover. (Unless it's something by George R. R. Martin)

Nice (2)

Koyaanisqatsi (581196) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732218)

Wow, I read the whole review and still don't have a clue what the book is about :)

[quote]Discussion of the plot, even aside from spoiler concerns, is well-nigh impossible. There's simply too much that happens.[/quote]

While I'm all against spoilers, you got to tell something. Anything!

Re:Nice (1)

MarkLR (236125) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732420)

My review [weblogs.com] has some details. It's like a recent Tom Clancy book set in a space opera. Lots and lots of talk before anything happens.

Re:Nice (2, Informative)

salemnic (244944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732427)

While I can't give you a good review of the plot (even though I have read it) you can check out the first part of the book (14 chapters or so) at Baen [baen.com]

Cheers

-s

Re:Nice (3, Insightful)

Photon Ghoul (14932) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732460)

Agreed, I came away from the review not knowing what the book or series was actually about. As a potential new reader, it didn't sound interesting to me at all.

What was it? What genre, if any? Is Honor male or female? Is the writing/plot/characterization good?

Of course, I've garnered some of this from the posts following the review (and I might just check out this series). The review by itself, however, doesn't stand on it's own.

Compared to... (2)

IPFreely (47576) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732228)

I have not read any of the Honor Harrington books. I have read and enjoyed the Miles Vorkossigan [amazon.com] books (See the Great Buys pair in there? Its paired with War of Honor). Can someone compare these for style and such to give an idea how the series is?

Re:Compared to... (1)

RocketJeff (46275) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732321)

Both series (Honor Harrington and Miles Vorkossigan) are excellent 'space operas' and I enjoy both a lot. The best indicator is to read a bit to see if you like it. Luckily, the first two Honor Harrington books are available as free downloads on the Baen Free Library [baen.com] . The first book is On Basilisk Station [baen.com] .

It's worth checking out The Baen Free Library - it has some books that the WOH CD doesn't (but it also doesn't have all of the books that are on the CD).

Re:Compared to... (3, Informative)

Mangelwulf (628489) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732470)

Ok, most people who enjoy Miles enjoy Honor. You see a lot of cross posting in the two forums on the Baen site. The plots of the Honor series are more focused on space battles, versus Miles's "Save the Damsel" idiom. I'll agree with most of the people here that the "batter is getting a bit thin" in this most recent book. But for $25 you get the entire series, plus books from other people, all on a CD - Rom. I'm taking a trip to England this year and am planning on putting the books into my Palm for the flight.

Honor Harrington is the hero of the series. The books revolve around her. She always wins over incredible odds. The series started as a Horitio Hornblower in space. The way the ships work was designed to create the same feel as tall ships and iron men. The space ships fight in giant broadside battles.

The series is fun, but as we move into the later stages of her career we are dealing more with the politics of the world and larger forces are coming into play. This means that the books are moving away from the space battles and into the political battles, much as Miles moved from being an Admrial into being a Auditor. The Miles stories are all at a very personal level. We are very into his point of view and the problems he confronts are all his issues to solve. The later books of the Honor series bounce from view point to view point and the problems she faces are all larger than the battle in front of her. I like Lois MacMaster Bujold's approach to the characters better. I have more fun with it. David Weber's characters are more "stock" in this series and the action is more the point of the story. Both are action packed, but in different ways. It would be fun to see a Lois short story in the Honorverse, and vice versa.

Re:Compared to... (1)

BaloneyWalt (628506) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733019)

I love Bujold's series but hated the first Honor book, and have never read another.

HI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732239)

here a word out to my mother.

CDRom (1)

Kgreene (606578) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732255)

I purchased the hard back as soon as it came out. Not for the CD though which I didn't even know was included. When I saw the reference to the CD however I found that in my copy the CD, attached to the last page of the book, had been removed in the store... and not by the store clerks but rather stolen. Does the content justify buying the book twice (which was one of the weaker in the series) or can the CD be purchased seperately if I contact the publisher?

Re:CDRom (1)

edack (152979) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732360)

The CD can be distributed FREE. Just find a friend with one and burn a copy. My local library has the book w/CD, yours may as well.

Re:CDRom (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4733264)

I purchased the hard back as soon as it came out. Not for the CD though which I didn't even know was included. When I saw the reference to the CD however I found that in my copy the CD, attached to the last page of the book, had been removed in the store... and not by the store clerks but rather stolen. Does the content justify buying the book twice (which was one of the weaker in the series) or can the CD be purchased seperately if I contact the publisher?
Contact Baen (http://www.baen.com/ [baen.com] ). They're cool about things like this.

BTW, if you're interested in the newer stuff (which isn't out yet), you might drop by Baen's Bar [baen.com] or the snippet site [thefifthimperium.com] for a look-see. Snippets for the next Honorverse anthology are up and a preliminary snippet for the next Honorverse novel (Crown of Slaves) appeared earlier this week.

Cheers!

Got it cheap (1)

mgessner (46612) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732267)

I got mine at walmart.com, CHEAP (like about $15 WITH shipping!).

I stuck all the novels on my palm's 64 meg SD card, and can read them at leisure either on my PC or the palm.

It's REALLY nice that they included ALL the novels in the CD rom in the back of the book (but I'll probably savor reading the War hardcopy first before the electronic copy).

Good stuff, Maynard!

I read it, it was ok. The CD is free to share too. (1)

Gldm (600518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732307)

While I'm a big fan of the series, this was not the best book in it. However, that means I still thought it was a better than average book, and it gives me something to read until Neal Stephenson gets around to finishing whatever he's working on now.

Also, you can probably download the book (yes the book the CD comes with is on the CD too) and see if you like it before buying it. Yes it's legal, and I quote from the CD's printing itself: "This disk and its contents may be copied and shared but NOT sold."

I give the publisher major kudos for this (as if the review didn't already.

Oh and as for "Who would want to read a book on a computer or laptop instead of paper?" That's the point. You download a book you like, but it's irritating to read on a computer, so you go buy at least the paperback version because it's more comfortable. It seems to work in my experience, if the book is good enough.

Great initiative (2)

henben (578800) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732350)

Finally a publisher who gets that electronic content doesn't need to be locked up in some godawful "security" scheme! I didn't like the first book in this series. It's a very forced attempt to do a Hornblower-type naval tale in space. The space technology comes across as carefully tailored to provide similar tactics to the age of sail. The impact of many technological changes (e.g. improved computers) isn't really explored. The main character is unconvincingly good, noble and chaste. Still, it's a popular series. I hope the book is successful and inspires similar initiatives by other companies.

The Baen Free Library (3, Informative)

cirby (2599) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732446)

Some of the material on the CD-ROM is available online at the Baen Free Library [baen.com] .

1632 (1)

otis wildflower (4889) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732449)

I'm impressed that it's a downloadable [baen.com] . Though I had already bought the paperback, it makes it easier to recommend to others as I don't have to worry about only sharing my copy. Incidentally, that 1 copy has turned into a hardcover of 1633, and 2 hardcovers of the anticipated 1634..

If you're an alternate-history fan, this is the book for you. I found 1633 a bit too heavy on the exposition (and some repetition, though I had just read 1632) but the characters are real and the story doesn't indulge in copouts..

Re:1632 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4733458)

I'm impressed that it's a
downloadable [baen.com] . Though I had already bought the paperback, it makes it easier to recommend to others as I don't have to worry about only sharing my copy. Incidentally, that 1 copy has turned into a hardcover of 1633, and 2 hardcovers of the anticipated 1634..

If you're an alternate-history fan, this is the book for you. I found 1633 a bit too heavy on the exposition (and some repetition, though I had just read 1632) but the characters are real and the story doesn't indulge in copouts..

I like Baen's free library and their internet sales policy a lot. I'm in europe and there are to the best of my knowledge two good english bookshops in my country. If I order a dead tree elsewhere I'm lucky to have to wait two months for it. At Baen's I get instant electronic access, even prior to release. And the prices are low, not extortionate.

1633 is a bit heavy on the exposition but there's a good reason for this. You see, when Flint & Weber were writing 1633 the original manuscript ended up being too long to be workable. It got split into 1633 and 1634: The Baltic War. Hopefully there will eventually be three books set in 1634. One in the Baltic, One in England and maybe one in Italy.

Patience ...

Melodrama of Honor (1)

snStarter (212765) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732463)

I have to say that the Honor Harrington series has outlived the ability of its author who has fallen into the Tom Clancy trap and now thinks himself as a master political analyst.

Unfortunately, when anyone with a point of view different that the military's must be a rotten coward and intellectual bigot then story becomes nothing more than melodrama with endless pages of exposition.

The best Honor stories were the first three or maybe four. Fortunately you can read them on the CD.

Me, I'll stay with Patrick O'Brian whose Aubry and Maturin are more alien to our 21st century sensibilities than anyone in Weber's work. If you want works that rich and that spark a sense of wonder, then look back not forward.

Re:Melodrama of Honor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4733304)

I have to say that the Honor Harrington series has outlived the ability of its author who has fallen into the Tom Clancy trap and now thinks himself as a master political analyst.

I don't think Weber thinks of himself as a "master political analyst". I think the problem is more general than that.

I think he's made his main character too powerful. Honor Harrington is a Lord Admiral of the Fleet, a Titled Landholder of Greyson, etc, etc.. She really only has very small or very large problems (and small problems make for short stories). Politics is simply a convenient, very large problem.

But you are right about one thing, I think the most interesting stories are written about, what I call "people-size" problems. Unfortunately, HH grew beyond those in about the third or fourth in the series, now she has to face "Lord Admiral-size" problems, and it's more difficult to relate to a character like that. Not that you can't write an interesting story about characters like that, but it's a different type of story.

David Weber is a $cientologist (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4732485)

Thanks Slashdot for assisting in filling the coffers of the CoS.

Whats next, reviewing the KKK maifesto?

~RU?

Re:David Weber is a $cientologist (1)

TheCrazyFinn (539383) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733533)

Bzzzt, wrong.

David is not a scientologist.

How many people (0)

xyloplax (607967) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732543)

will get the CD and print it out at the office?

CD ROM? (1)

epcraig (102626) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732548)

Damn! Just looked, there is a CD ROM in the back.

Here I thought the flip animation they had in Honor among Enemies was a neat gimmick.

Hurray for Baen! (2)

mseeger (40923) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732570)

Hi,

i can only recommend to read the introduction to the Baen Free Library [baen.com] . It's good to see, that not every one who depends on selling content wants to fleece the customers like sheep.

Living from content and a fair use policy are no contradictions. They explain why and how. And it works. I keep buying WebScriptions [webscription.net] and the books ;-). That I love to read John Ringo (Gust Front), David Weber (Honor series) and Lois McMaster Bujold (The Vor game) may explain it.

Yours, Martin

P.S. Has anyone already written a simulator (Perl prefered) for the starships in the Honor-Universe? I would like to check some battles :-).

Plot, and a little more. (3, Interesting)

pythorlh (236755) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732574)

For those so inclined, here's a general synopsis of the plot (the series not just this book, but the CD includes the whole series, anyway).
Honor Harrington is a (space) naval officer in the Royal Manticoran Navy. She starts as a captain, later she's an admiral. The situation is a space-age re-writing of European history during the age of classic (water) naval battles. For the guy who mentioned Horatio Hornblower, you hit the nail on the head. Honor proves her own strategic brilliance, courage, honor(pun definitely intended by the original author), loyalty and sense of duty, mostly against overwhleming odds and underskilled opponents. A few skillful opponents are thrown in for proof that she's not just lucky.
Mixed into this action premise is a truly glorious back story of political intrigue and class conflict. The entire series can be taken as a diatribe against the policies of a welfare state if you want, but it's well concealed, and, in general, well thought out. Throw in a healthy spatter of the harsh realities of war and treachery, and mix well.
I had actually thought of doing a review of this novel myself, but I'm glad I was beaten to it. As the author says, the book is worth it, even if only for the CD. I'll add that as a political statement, buying this book/CD combination to try to encourage it in future publications is also worht it, even if you never read a word. But you'll be missing out if you don't.

Re:Plot, and a little more. (2)

dalassa (204012) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732737)

Am I the only who thinks that the Honor on the cover art looks like Susan Ivanova wearing the pre-rebellion uniform?

Who is Honor? What's It About? How Do I Work This? (5, Informative)

RobotRunAmok (595286) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732576)

Because I am a fan of the series, and because I think what author Weber and publisher Baen have done with the CD-ROM thingie is both courageous and spiffy, lemme try and save y'all some Googlin'...

As has been noted, The Honor Harrington Series is Space Opera, Military Science Fiction. What David Drake did for future tank crewman with his Hammer's Slammers books, Weber does for their space-navy counterparts. There is no "Earth" and no "Aliens," just some far-flung planetary empires, each with different politics (monarchy, socialism, feudalism, whatever) all on planetary scales.

Honor Harrington is an Ayn Rand Romantic Heroine from the Old School. She fights classism, fleet politics, bigotry, duels, and Big Honkin' Enemy Fleets with equal tirelessness and aplomb. She loses friends, limbs, eyes, commands, and keeps coming back for more, plasma cannons a-blazing.

The series has traced her career, from just-out-of-academy first command to whatever she is now, Lord Admiral of the Friggin' Universal Royal Fleet, or somesuch. (Personally, I liked her better when she was "coming up through the ranks," but hey...)

From a geek perspective, the series is notable for its rather detailed thinking-out of space navy mechanics. As someone here has said, Weber is Master of the Space Battle, not necessarily because they are any more exciting than your average Tie-fighter sequence, but because the detail in the physics and the navy crewmen operations seem exceptionally plausible.

If your idea of a good read is the latest Chicano-Lesbian-Prison-Drama from some Lower East Side playwright, move along, there's nothing to see here. If your idea of SF is a barrier-breaking, genre-bending, quantum-cyber-dystopic Enduring-Parable-For-Our-Time, ditto.

If, on the other hand, you enjoy a good read, with interesting, likable characters for whom you can really cheer, and an approach to space-battles that will have you running for your calculator and some graph paper, the Honor Harrington books are da bomb.

Re:Who is Honor? What's It About? How Do I Work Th (2)

WNight (23683) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733324)

If I'd read your review first I'd have been turned off. I don't see Honor Harrington as being Randian in any way except that she's very talented. She isn't one of the socialists in the series, but neither does she come across as a libertarian (the professional tax-dodging whiners, as Berke Breathed called them.)

While the enemy (in the early books) is a dolist state, where everyone is on welfare, it strikes me as a comment about people who sell out for temporary gain more than people who take government handouts. It does bite them, this large burden they have to carry, but then all the political and social systems in the book get examined and we see the flaws in all of them.

Weber makes a few comments that indicate he's on the libertarian side of politics, but mainly in that some characters (not Honor) complain about a progressive tax, and that the "better" societies (that people enjoy living in) have less government control of sexuality and such, but that just seems to make sense.

It's also interesting in that Honor isn't religious, in fact she's an athiest though she rarely says anything that would indicate it, yet the book has what I (an athiest) feel is a fair and positive view of religion.

In fact, I feel less political and social commentary in these books than in most others.

Left Behind (2)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732606)

I was in Wal-Mart the other day (no jokes, please) and I spotted a CD-ROM called Left Behind: iLumina Edition. It was basically a CD guide to the world in the Left Behind novels. My best guess would be it was the equivalent of the Star Trek Encyclopedia.

I don't read the Left Behind novels but what caught my attention was the fact that there was a sticker advertising that all 11 Left Behind novels were on the CD in Palm and Microsoft Reader formats.

I know this is vastly different from what the person in this story is doing (since these are no doubt encrypted versions) but I find it interesting that the CD-ROM only retailed for $30 (and had even been marked down to $25). These books retail for $25 hardcover each and $15 on paperback (they do those "big" paperbacks, not trade paperbacks). To buy all 11 on paperback at a discount (let's say $10.49) would cost over $115 before tax, but they're giving them all away on this CD-ROM.

Clearly they don't think that there's much of a market to the PDA book market.

Anywho, I figured I'd point this out (since the Left Behind series is immensely more popular).

Please do us all a favor though and if you respond to this thread, don't turn this into a religious flame war (since the Left Behind series is a speculative fiction series about the rapture).

Re:Left Behind (1)

Mistah Blue (519779) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732764)

My speculation on the pricing is that the authors view this series as a ministry (as well as making a living) and thus want to reach a greater audience. This is in keeping with Jesus' Commission to believers. Paraphrased... go out and make disciples.

Reviews (1)

Fizzlewhiff (256410) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732608)

I just love a book review that doesn't mention what the book is about. I know nothing about this author and series so comparing the book to how it reads compared to others in the series does nothing for non-familiar readers. How about giving a little insight to what the book is about next time rather than the technical aspects of the book. All that is useful for fans of the series but for the unfamiliar reader it does nothing for the book.

A novel too far (2)

Animats (122034) | more than 11 years ago | (#4732971)

Much as I liked the Honor Harrington novels, David Weber should have stopped with the one before this, at the end of the war. Or written a novel set earlier in Honor's life.

Tom Clancy had the same problem. In each Jack Ryan novel, Ryan got promoted. Once Ryan had been re-elected President, there was nowhere to go. So he set Red Rabbit back in Ryan's early career. That helped; Clancy is good at action, but mediocre at political novels. Weber has the same problem.

No wonder they're giving it away... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4733021)

Honor Harrington has to be the most laughable excuse for a scifi series I've ever read. It's tarted-up (pun intended) fan fiction. I mean, come on. A female commander and her EMPATHIC CAT! It's like something off of ff.net, except it has a cover price. That and she doesn't act remotely like any intelligent military officer I've ever heard of.

Do yourselves a favor and don't spend the money on this crap. Bad writing is still bad writing, no matter how it's packaged.

Boy, is my face red! (2)

eldurbarn (111734) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733096)

I got the book the day it hit the shelves... then didn't start reading it because it was just too darned big & heavy to hold! (Arthritis is a bitch...)

I've been reading my way through the enclosed CD, but it wasn't until reviewer pointed it out that I realized the book, itself, is also on the CD!

Boy, is my face red!

How much? (0)

rmezzari (245108) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733232)

Yeah, I could use some ad space on the slashdot frontpage... Please Mr editors, how much do I have to pay if I want my crappy product announced here???

Geez, and this POS is also overpriced...

10 Stars - It's the Honorable thing to do... (2)

jxliv7 (512531) | more than 11 years ago | (#4733349)

.
I bought "War of Honor" from Amazon pre-publication & read it in one sleepless overnight sitting. Yes, I am a fan...

Honor Harrington appeals for several reasons. I like David Weber's plausible, well thought out, pleasantly unpredictable, carefully crafted plots & background. While it may seem he injects too much detail into the series, underneath it all is even more cultural history & a detailed scientific environment (available for those that want to read it) that is the basis for everything he writes.

What's even better is that the important nuances of each character's actions & reactions, their motivations & personas, are laid out for the reader to follow (but not always predict).

But the most important factor in the series is Honor Harrington's honor. Weber presents a future where a strong female lead strives to always do the right thing. If there is one theme throughout the series, it's that gentle pun of Honor doing the honorable thing.

Baen Publishing has done some amazingly right things with publishing on the Internet -- read the details at Baen (http://www.baen.com/library/) -- but the most daring of all is including the complete Honor Harrington series on CD with the hardback.

I give Honor 10 stars.
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