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Sony Adds New Copyright Method to CDs in 2003

CowboyNeal posted more than 11 years ago | from the pay-to-play-and-play-again dept.

Encryption 630

Natoi writes "Sony is leaving Mac and **nix users out in the cold with their new copyright method called Label Gate CD copyright system. You'd have to be running Windows and use a Sony developed proprietary software to listen to CD's published by Sony starting next year." This seems a little extreme to me, since sitting at the computer just to listen to music is stupid. What about car stereos and high-fidelity CD players?

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First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Angry White Guy (521337) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738177)

Burn Karma Burn!

damn (-1, Flamebait)

i_need_no_nick (577071) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738178)

another unfair piece of drm-type crap :(

A New Sourceforge Project (4, Funny)

Vidiot3k (612026) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738192)

LinuxGate.Sourceforge.net!

Choose one!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738180)

What do GNU/Linux hippies use for birth control?

A) Nothing, kleenex don't get pregnant

B) Their personalities

C) Whatever it is, their mom should have used it.

There's no wrong answer!!!

Re:Choose one!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738191)

At least if you are going to troll, get it right. It's Linux, not GNU/Linux!

Not CDs (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738182)

No, dude, they are _not_ CDs.

Re:Not CDs (3, Insightful)

The Original Yama (454111) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738286)

Besides geeks and Phillips, who cares? These things are circular and work in (most) CD-Players, therefore for most people they qualify as CDs. Only geeks care about rights and freedoms. Ordinary people will only care if a gun is pointed to their heads.

Read the article before posting (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738184)

SME's new Label Gate CD consists of two kinds of music data -- one is data for audio devices to replay and the other is encoded compressed data for PCs to replay.

If you read the article, you might see your questions answered.

whatever. (5, Insightful)

jeffehobbs (419930) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738185)

Dear Sony,

We're just going to hack it.

Sincerely,

The Mac and *nix Community

Re:whatever. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738230)

Better idea. Dont buy it.

I havent bought a single copyprotected record yet. So the record lables missed out on about 10 CDs. I downloaded them instead. :)

Re:whatever. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738283)

I havent bought a single copyprotected record yet.

I haven't bought a single copy protected CD yet either.

Re:whatever. (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738290)

If you use a product such a vmware, it's a simple matter to start up windows in a virtual machine with a virtual sound card i.e. vsound. I've used this method in the past to rip and burn music directly from rhapsody. You don't even have to go the analog route.

Re:whatever. (1)

AsparagusChallenge (611475) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738296)

I would, but anyway I'm not expending my money on a company that treats me like that. If someone would be so kind of sending me a dump of the CD to crack it I'll think about it. And only on my spare time. None of my money will go to them.

Re:whatever. (2, Interesting)

jorleif (447241) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738299)

Could someone explain to me how these people think? I mean they must know it will be hacked. At least the techies who actually create the products must know it will be hacked. So what's the point? Do they trust stupid laws like the DMCA to enforce their silly DRM systems?

What about ripping from the audio stream, is that illegal too? Does Sony 0wnz your audio output!? If not then this is still pretty pointless. One could of course argue that if it would be difficult enough to actually rip tracks most people would just pay for the music, but this is unlikely since the record labels don't control the distribution channels (the P2Ps) and therefore their distribution will initially be more difficult than its illegal counterpart.

everyone loses (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738186)

More important than Mac and *nix users being left out in the cold are the millions who've bought MP3 players to listen to their music collection.

This will just encourage people to go find an analogue->Digital MP3 conversion of the CD on the internet; everyone loses.

I guess I'll never be buying another Sony CD if this goes through.

It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (5, Informative)

DevilJeff (243585) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738187)

You have the wrong idea here. Rather than making the CD not play in a computer, they're adding a bit of software to the CD that'll allow it to be played in a computer. The CD will still be playable in audio devices.

SME's new Label Gate CD consists of two kinds of music data -- one is data for audio devices to replay and the other is encoded compressed data for PCs to replay.

Re:It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (2)

Fembot (442827) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738202)

What stops me getting one expensive cd player with optical out, and one expensive sound card with optical in and copying it like that? Its digital so no big problems with converting to analouge and back to digital again, and its perfectly do-able as far as I can see.

Re:It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (2)

psyconaut (228947) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738221)

SMCS has been implemented on S/PDIF for years. This is what prevents you doing multiple digital "bounces".

Infact, this all started when DAT was seen as a threat to the music industry....gee, how times change ;-)

-psy

Re:It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (3, Interesting)

warmcat (3545) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738235)

S/PDIF (the optical and copper digital protocol) does have a bit in it which says if the content is allowed to be copied. Do the expensive soundcards pay any attention to this bit? I don't know. Can the bit be forced to '0' by a small CPLD? Yes.

Re:It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738246)

My card (a Terratec 24/96) does not. I am not even sure whether or not CD players set this bit. After all copying for private purposes is allowed.

Re:It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738237)

Since there is no A/D or D/A conversion involved you can use the cheapest player and the cheapest sound card with optical links you can get. Of course the sound card has to be able to accept external synchronization and 44.1kHz but I have yet to see one which doesn't.

Re:It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (2, Insightful)

damiam (409504) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738220)

The point was that cars and high-end players often use computer CD drives and do digital audio extraction every time they play. The ONLY way to make them work is to allow digital audio extraction, which would defeat the whole point of copy-protected CDs (not that there is much of a point anyway...).

Re:It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738264)

For a high-end player it does not make sense using a computer drive, does it? It can't make use of data tracks anyway. I guess more of the cheap players (and all of which play MP3 and even VCD) will use computer drives since those are made at a very low price nowadays.
Also I do not get your statement about doing digital audio extraction every time. CD is digital, there is no way of reading it other than digitally!

Re:It plays in Cars and CD Players, too! (2)

rainwalker (174354) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738234)

The conventional music data on the CD used by audio devices is protected by SME's current anticopying technology that prevents the data from being replayed on a PC.

The conventional audio data is also protected by some other form of 'protection'...so don't expect it to play in anything better than a boombox.

read the article - all devices will work (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738188)

From the article "SME's new Label Gate CD consists of two kinds of music data -- one is data for audio devices to replay and the other is encoded compressed data for PCs to replay."

this is just a different take on the previous attempt at putting .mp3 versions of the songs on the disc.... this time with DRM

So what? (5, Insightful)

nutznboltz (473437) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738189)

This just means the tracks will be ripped via the headphone jack.

Piracy (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738190)

This is the sort of thing that promotes piracy - would you rather now buy the CD and not be able to listen to it, or download a ripped copy in mp3 and burn your own CD and be able to listen to it anywhere?
Why is it that the music industry just does the stupidest damn things...

Correction: (5, Insightful)

vreeker (264162) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738193)

"Sony ... will add a new function to music CDs early next year "

Uh... Shouldn't that read "Sony will be removing functions from music CDs?"

Re:Correction: (2, Insightful)

esper_child (515754) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738308)

the title is still wrong, these are not CDs. They just happen to play in a CDA device and in your Windows computer (after using their software). However I doubt this will fly very far, as most of the high end CDA devices and Car CDA systems use a CD-ROM to read the disc, at which point it will hit the copy protection and just not play. This could be a good thing if Sony could figure out how to iron out the bugs in their system, and make it hold more than a few songs. Like it or not DRM technologies are making advancements towards user-friendlyness. If they can make this work right (and maybe provide software for the Mac) this is probly the least painful DRM you will be seeing.

What you are seeing (5, Insightful)

lexcyber (133454) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738194)

Is the recordcompanies last breath before the whole industry dies. They are scared shitless and they dont know what they are going to do. But I dont feel hurt about it. Since record companies can continue their work. But they have to accept that the golden days are over, where they dictate the prices and have multi-thusand percent profitmargins. Record companies, its time to face the real world. With real competition etc.

It's time to get the power of the music back to the artists and the listeners, from profitering bastards!

Revolution!

Re:What you are seeing (4, Interesting)

Kragg (300602) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738294)

You're wrong. Picture this:

1) Sony [sony.com] develops copy protection that largely works (yes, yes, I know.)
2) Sony develop hardware [mp3daze.com] and software [pcmag.com] (for their other hardware)that supports it.
3) Artists start getting less money because recording labels [sonymusic.com] give them less royalties due to bad sales.
4) ???*
5) Profit. Massively.

Can you guess the blank? Horizontal markets are the way to go. Microsoft supports everything off of Windows sales. Conglomo's [title14.com] time has come. And its name is Sony. or microsoft. or nokia. or maybe samsung at a push.

*A Record label [sonymusic.com] offers them more, because it a) sells more due to hassle factor, and b) can partially support it from hardware revenues.

Re:What you are seeing (2)

reallocate (142797) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738309)

You're probably right about the "last breath" stuff, but probably wrong about getting "music back to the artists and listeners". It never was there and it never will be there. The recording industry has never had anything to do with creativity -- it's a distribution and marketing business, not a music business. It will move on to whatever's next just like,it did from 78's and 45's to tape and CD's.

Right... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738195)

Duh, the article states it contains both convential audio tracks and this secured data for playback on a pc. So what's the problem?

Just Desserts (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738197)

You guys did it to yourselves, by downloading all those mp3s from Napster/Kazaa/Gnutella, etc., you've given Sony the impression that you only listen to music in front of your computer.

You got what you wanted, sorry.

Hey fuck you man. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738238)

I didn't download ANYTHING from Napster, Kazaa or any other pirate music networks! Why am _I_ being subjected to this shit along with you damned music thieves? I was a good boy, Mr Sony, please let me have unfucked CDs please oh please!

Re:Just Desserts (1)

Vidiot3k (612026) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738241)

I spent $300 so the music coming out of my pc would sound good, now I won't be able to listen to sony cd's in linux? Screw that. No more sony cd's in my house...

Re:Just Desserts (2, Insightful)

peculiarmethod (301094) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738254)

" You guys did it to yourselves, by downloading all...You got what you wanted, sorry."

Wait, yeah.. I remember that big petition that passed around the US on fidonet, then via fedex that we all signed stating we'd rather give up years of perfectly good research and development of audio standards that have reached a point in which they allow citizens to develop and trade their most important cultural language, music. I think I remember signing something waiving my rights to food as well. sheesh.

pm

Re:Just Desserts (1)

sameerd (445449) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738300)

Thats not true. I use mp3's in my portable mp3player even when it is very very far away from my computer.
:wq

Another Excuse (4, Insightful)

ELCarlsson (570500) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738199)

I can see it now. And then when the sales of Sony's CD's starts to drop off more they'll use it as another excuse to go after P2P and file sharing. It's beginning to seem like a lose/lose situation with these people.

Black Marker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738200)

Aren't you still able to defeat the audio by marking it with a black marker?

Sony CD Players (1)

Aztek (260107) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738201)

Question: This seems a little extreme to me, since sitting at the computer just to listen to music is stupid. What about car stereos and high-fidelity CD players?

I am sure sony will have such good graces as to allow there new lines of protable cd players to play the cds. But sony doesnt account for alot of the cdplayer market

sony music? sony system. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738203)

This seems a little extreme to me, since sitting at the computer just to listen to music is stupid. What about car stereos and high-fidelity CD players?
Well, I'm sure it'll be okay as long as you use some suitable hardware [sonystyle.com] .
Who wants one market when you can have an entire horizontal?

I use my music CD's in my computer... (2, Insightful)

cheezycrust (138235) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738205)

sitting at the computer just to listen to music is stupid

I use my computer to create .ogg [xiph.org] files of the CD's I have here. When I start my computer, XMMS starts playing, and I like having constant music.

Another thing I do, is create backups from my CD's (after a tip from another Slashdot reader). That way, I don't have to be afraid of scratches, since I always have my original CD.

These are examples of fair use - if a company limits our rights to fair use, can we sue them then? IANAL, bue maybe one of you is (poor you, of course...)

Wait a second here... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738206)

You're saying that I cannot listen to a CD in a CD player now? I have to have a PC with Windows in order to listen to a CD (and I can't play it in a CD player)? So, in order to listen to the music I buy, I have to also buy a PC and install Sony's software? I can't listen to this in my car or on my hifi? I have to use my PC?

Too bad that's not what the article says in any way, shape, or form.

This is the standard dual-format shuck and jive broken redbook CD format that we've seen before, time and time again. One session is audio, the other is data. Your PC will read the data session and it will install a nice DRM player and some spyware for good measure and your hifi CD transports and other redbook players will see only the audio track.

This solves nothing for Sony and poses no threat to your ability to make MP3s. I believe this copy protection system was previously foiled with a black magic-marker.

Re:Wait a second here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738271)

I wish you turds would actually read the article before posting.

Re:Wait a second here... (1)

Maxlor (315315) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738289)

I don't expect much from their player, to be honest.

When listening to music under windows, I want to use winamp, period. Does that sony player offer hotkeys that lets me advance the playlist while playing Quake? Does it offer crossfading? Can it give me huge randomized playlists?

Granted, it works, I can listen to their CD on my PC. But frankly I don't feel like going out of my way to be able to do that...

Re:Wait a second here... (5, Interesting)

fmaxwell (249001) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738297)

Too bad that's not what the article says in any way, shape, or form.

Too bad that you don't understand CD player technology in any way, shape, or form.

Many high-end audio CD players use CD-ROM drive mechanisms which will be confused by the new formats such that they won't read the audio tracks. The same is true of many in-dash card CD players, which are often based on laptop CD-ROM mechanisms. Consider the JVC that I have in my car. It plays audio CDs, MP3 CD-ROMs, and will read CD-R and R/W discs. It will, almost certainly, not be able to play the new copy protected discs that Sony is releasing.

high-fidelity CD players (5, Funny)

ihowson (601821) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738207)

What about car stereos and high-fidelity CD players?

What about low fidelity CD players? And all of those middle-range ones? Cheapskates have a right to music, too!

(I'm being an idiot, please move along)

Re:high-fidelity CD players (3, Interesting)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738284)

Heh.... actually
The CD format was developed as a medium-fidelity format... cheap, easy to mass produce, and good enough quality for the home user.

Only in later years after mass market acceptance did they start calling it "high fidelity"

Read the story! (0, Informative)

simulacrum (109611) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738209)

This protection is to prevent unlimited ripping of CDs, it makes no mention of being unable to use CDs in other devices. The article says there are two formats on the disc, one of which can be read by a PC and requires a key to decode.

Re:Read the story! (5, Informative)

rainwalker (174354) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738247)

How is this +2, Informative? The article clearly states that the standard music tracks are also protected by DRM and are unplayable in computers, which also has been shown to mean that they don't work in any decent CD player. The point of this format is that Sony is "graciously" "allowing" people with computers to listed to their music on both their boombox AND their computer (for only an additional $1.64).

Sony CD's (1)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738210)

Funny thing, I just realized that I don't own a *single* sony producy whatsoever. In fact, I can't remember if I ever did. Coincidence? Naaaaah....

Re:Sony CD's (1)

IshanCaspian (625325) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738236)

No ps2?

Thanks for the monkey. *munch*

Hi Fi Players are not affected by this (5, Informative)

Vlad_the_Inhaler (32958) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738211)

SME's new Label Gate CD consists of two kinds of music data -- one is data for audio devices to replay and the other is encoded compressed data for PCs to replay.
Of course, since some car CD players work on the same principle as PC CD players, they would be unusable.
I normally play my CDs in the car. I have more or less stopped buying CDs altogether. Go Figure.

Campaign for Digital Rights (5, Informative)

warmcat (3545) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738212)

http://ukcdr.org/

This is an active campaign to try to stop this kind of evil action by corporations who insist they are the injured party when charging ripoff pricing for their goods and using graft to stop anything at all ever falling out of copyright and into the public domain where all works finally belong.

Take a look at their site at least, consider joining the mailing list.

urgh! (5, Funny)

RestiffBard (110729) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738213)

screw this.

bring back the 8-track.

What are they thinking (2, Insightful)

smartin (942) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738214)

By removing the ability to play CD's on normal CD players they are just giving people incentive to abandon buying them altogether. Stoooopid.

Re:What are they thinking (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738307)

Read the fucking story. It says right there the CDs will still be playable on normal audio equipment.

Time to stop buying Sony then surely? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738215)

Being someone that doesn't use Windows all the time, surviving on my daily dose/fix of UNIX, this I guess is relevant to me. All I can think of is "well its time to stop buying Sony CDs" ...

With their stupid "lock the CD/DVD drive" ideas and now this ... are Sony really the Microsoft of the music publishing world?

I'm sure it won't be long before the software mentioned in the article moves from being software to being firmware of the CD/DVD drive/player.

So if we all stop buying Sony's CDs, it'll result in one of two possibilities:
(a) Sony enters more financial problems
(b) Sony drops the idea

Here's favouring the latter ;-)

Re:Time to stop buying Sony then surely? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738262)

Oh please you know you can't stop buying sony products even if they where selling dog poop in a sack.

You'll be buying sony products later this weekend so stop trying to act all high and mighty.

decss part two? (3, Insightful)

IshanCaspian (625325) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738217)

I can't believe they would be this clueless...don't they realize that if Linux could play DVD's there wouldn't be as much of an argument (or need) for decss? If they just took our fair use rights into account (play it under linux, play it on the computer, on my mp3 player, on my car stereo and so on) nobody would ever need to break their damn encryption.

If you argue that it makes it too easy to copy their work, well, then what they have is an unworkable business model. It's like sheet music. For the really big orchestras who are playing the works of composers who are under copyright protection, they have to buy expensive scores. High-visibility = doing it the right way. This would be equivalent to using music in movies and games and such. On the other hand, if you're going for private lessons, and you need a copy of the blue bells of scotland, the prices of the real thing are going to be cheap enough to make it not worth the trouble of copying it from someone else. This is equivalent to consumers and cd's.

Believe me, I'm all for protection of intellectual property. However, when protection just isn't possible without harassing researchers, threatening consumers, and forcing us to get our songs in a crippled format, it's time for our government to say: "Good luck with that whole music industry thing, you're on your own."

The business needs changing (1)

DerPflanz (525793) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738222)

When is the recording industry finally going to see that it must change? The world isn't the same as 10, 20 years ago. I see some people starting sites with another approach to distributing music. As a matter of fact, I am involved in such a project myself (to become online soon on www.localsounds.nl; sorry guys just for the Dutch speaking community for now).

Will the giants themselves become aware of those projects and participate in this?

What a great waste of space! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738223)

So, you get your usual raw, untouched CD audio which you can play on anything for as long as you like, and you can keep making backups to let the music outlast your lifetime... and you also get some DRM crap of lower quality that needs you to keep Sony in business so they can keep running expensive Big Brother permission-to-listen servers! On the same CD!


You can guess what my sharpie pen thinks of that data track!

"Free world" (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738224)

SME plans to charge about A5200 (US$1.64) per song for the second time onwards ... so in other words, they are charging for you to be able to store your song on your computer. You have to pay $20 per CD. Nobody is going to use this service, I hope they realize. With that effort, they might as well just take a CD player and put it next to their computer. Voila, free music!

Oh, and this will be hacked within a week of its' release. The data can probably be intercepted somewhere in the soundcard on the way to the speaker...

New Emulator Software Needed? (1, Funny)

starfire-1 (159960) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738225)

It seems to me that we may need a new emulator package to behave like a dumb car stereo. Perhaps it could be called the Multiple Audio Machine Emulator ... Hmmm, that sounds familiar. :)

Something to think about (2)

tsa (15680) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738227)

I'm sure they (I mean Sony et al, not just Sony) are working on a system where the consumer has to pay for every time (s)he listens to a CD (s)he purchased, even if it's played in a regular CD-player.

What about the Clie? (1)

Torp (199297) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738228)

Is this the same Sony who sells the sexy Sony Clie with a mp3 player? No Windows on that one, last time I checked...

I Give Up (4, Insightful)

aiabx (36440) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738231)

I can't remember whose CD's are playable on my equipment and which manufacturers use which copy protection, so I'm not going to buy anything. It just isn't worth the trouble.
-aiabx

Sony and trademarks/branding (5, Funny)

psyconaut (228947) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738232)

MemoryGate...
MagicGate...
LabelGate...

If they start doing per-use billing, will they have a brand "BillGate" and will those "BillGates" then cause a huge lawsuit to be launched by our favourite WA resident? ;-)

-psy

Re:Sony and trademarks/branding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738260)

MemoryGate...
MagicGate...
LabelGate...
...WaterGate. ...Waterloo.

Re:Sony and trademarks/branding (1)

xanadu-xtroot.com (450073) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738273)

MemoryGate...
MagicGate...
LabelGate...
BillGates


Heaven'sGate?

Re:Sony and trademarks/branding (4, Informative)

InfoVore (98438) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738304)

If they start doing per-use billing...

Started? That's the heart of the plan:

The first download of the electronic key that goes with a CD is free. SME plans to charge about A5200 (US$1.64) per song for the second time onwards, Ide said. Users cannot opt to just decode one song from a CD, but have to purchase the key for the entire CD, he said.

Copy protection on CDs isn't about stopping file sharing, its about creating new per-play revenue streams WHILE ALSO preserving obscenely high hard-media profits.

I.V.

Well in that case... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738242)

I'll just send my music through my CD player to my soundcard and PIRATE/STEAL it that way.

This sure makes me want to be a Sony consumer (5, Interesting)

bgfay (5362) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738243)

Wow, I sure do want to buy some Sony discs now.

I can't wait for the music industry to implode. An abusive power (whether in goverment (old school) or coporate (new school)) must be subverted. Funny thing. I just went to the library yesterday from which I had ordered eight discs I've been wanting. Spent an hour or so last night ripping copies of them to give to myself as a holiday present.

Am I stealing? Yes, yes I am.
Do I feel badly about it? No, no I don't.
How come? Because the media companies have so far overstepped the boundaries of decency, that I have lost the ability to feel their pain.

Isn't there one executive at one of these companies who has the slightest idea or vision of how this is going to work out?

Finally, I agree with the poster who said simply that this will be hacked. It will indeed be hacked and it's likely that it will be hacked before the discs are widely available. Then the music will be on p2p and the system will continue to dissolve and fade away.

Outrageous (4, Interesting)

Nexum (516661) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738244)

If we had not become so used to being walked all over little by little by the record companies, this would be strongly and outrageously objected to by the affected communities. Imagine if we had not been introduced to the so far lame and piecemeal anti-copying/playing tech that exists at the moment, and Sony comes up with an announcement like this - there would be wide real-world public outrage!

To ostracise computing communities in this way is nothing short of disgusting - and it should be corporate responsibility to bring all under the same umbrella. Will this be a good thing or a bad thing for Sony? I do't know, but what I do know is that from the moment this technology is used Sony will have lost one CD-purchasing consumer (me) simply becasue of my choice of computing platform (Macintosh). Does this affect me? Well, slightly yes it does, but I am sure that if I want a song bad enough there will be a way for me to get it, but on the whole I'm hoping it affects Sony more than anyone else.

Mac users (and possible Linux users?) are a very media-based group of people, there are so many Mac-based graphic designers, film editors, 3d artists, animators etc. These creative people love music! The two go hand in hand! So what are these people going to do in the CD-store? Are they going to change their computing platform so they can listen to music on their machines, or simply not buy the (Sony) CD?

I simply don't get how this could be a *benefit* to Sony.

We should speak out about restrictive technologies such as these - is there a consolidated action group for such things? If so, where can I join?

-Nex

Sony CD Players? (2)

nilstar (412094) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738245)

What happens to Sony brand CD-Players? I have one that cannot be firmware upgraded.... dear sony - please send me a new CD Player.

I can... (2, Funny)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738248)

I can crack it in 7 notes....

Microsoft Bought Sony (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738251)

I guess Bill Gates will now name every product the sony creates and force everyone to windows starting with the Windows only "label [Bill] GATE[s] cd copyright system"

What the industry wants... (2, Insightful)

Doug Neal (195160) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738252)

This is pretty indicative of what the entertainment industry really wants. They have now realised how people like to use their computers as a means of getting entertainment and decided to cash in, but it's got to be on THEIR terms... they don't want you to have a general purpose computer. They see your computer as just another content-delivery device. They want to control it - you use your computer for what Sony/Microsoft/AOL etc say you can, no more, no less. Want to run Linux, back your CDs up? You're a thief! Or possibly a communist! Or both!

The sad thing is, too many people will just shrug and go "OK then", and sit there and be fed third-rate entertainment, have ads forced down their throats, and not notice or care while all their rights are taken away one by one :(

Incomprehensible (5, Informative)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738253)

Didn't anyone even read the posting or article that it referred to before putting thisstuff up on slashdot???

1. This is not a copyright system, it's a copy protection system.

2. It doesn't prevent people from playing CD's in analog players altogether. The music available in two forms on the CD, one inteneded for traditional CD players in a copy protected format, and one for PC's, also copy protected.

3. This only applies to 12 cm CD singles produced in Japan.

RTFA -- not all Sony CDs (2, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738255)

Natoi writes "...You'd have to be running Windows and use a Sony developed proprietary software to listen to CD's published by Sony starting next year."

RTFA. "All 12-centimeter CD singles by Japanese artists rolling out from SME's group record companies are expected to be Label Gate CDs from Jan. 22." NOT All Sony CDs, just some Japanese ones.

Cowboy Neal: "What about car stereos and high- fidelity CD players?"

RTFA: "SME's new Label Gate CD consists of two kinds of music data -- one is data for audio devices to replay and the other is encoded compressed data for PCs to replay."

Maybe the audio data won't play on car and hifi CD players, but if not it's not by design.

SORNY (1)

pentarou (413473) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738257)

That doesn't seem quite right, the story says that it's a *download* function: "consists of two kinds of music data -- one is data for audio devices to replay and the other is encoded compressed data for PCs to replay."

Seems kinda fishy to me. Will the CD play on a traditional CD player? (This seems to imply that it does.) How long will it be before someone figures out how to get around this?

"Copied music on a hard disk drive can be transferred to audio devices that comply with SME's OpenMG digital rights management (DRM) technology for a number of times set by the music company."

Note that this says "copied music", and nothing about the CD itself. I don't imagine any DRM-conscious consumers (i.e. the majority of the /. readership) would even care to use Sony's Magical OpenMG Pixie Stick(tm) technology. ... Furthermore, knowing Sony, the only portable (note: Portable != PC) OpenMG-compliant players available will be made by Sony, and hella expensive at that. And, I doubt they'll give up: think of the MD players that have been around for so long, and the Memorty Sticks with OpenMG support that have also been around for a couple years.

In the future... (1)

Qender (318699) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738258)

In the near future sony will announce that whenever you want to play music, armed guards will arrive at your home to enable the music. They will then watch you and make sure you don't allow any other human on the planet to hear it(they'll be wearing earplugs, just to be safe). When you are done listening to the music, the guards will disable the playing devices, and have you sign a series of non-disclosure aggrements. Then they will leave and send you a bill for the music. Happy Listening!

PS: You don't even want to know what you'll have to do to see a movie. (remember the norse god Odin?)

Do you people even READ THE ARTICLE (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738263)

This is flatout lying. They are not REMOVING the audiotracks that are currently there. They are adding a SECOND set of tracks with DRM.

Next you're going to publish an article that says "Hollywood removes films, only sells extra stuff" because there's a 4CD set of LOTR.

I may not agree with Sony's copyright protection methodology, but after all, they are THEIR copyrights and they can do any stupid thing with them they want. And I wouldn't post an article here flat out LYING about what their doing, just because i think they are stupid.

Re:Do you people even READ THE ARTICLE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738306)

Who the hell would want to ever buy Sony products again!! F*** them! In fact...in fact.....I'm gonna throw this bloody Playstation 2 out the fricken Window!

Copy right? Or Use Limiter? (2, Insightful)

trimalchio (154338) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738269)

Can we not call it a copy right method? I don't care what we call it, a use limiter, a use infringer, an anti-use technology, an anti-theft technology... It isn't a copy right method. There is only one copy right method and that is original creation. Artists and creators hold the sole method of copy right. That right can be transferred, and the creation can be in many ways "protected" or "hobbled" as to how it is used, but the method has not changed. The work in question was a originally created by an artist and BY that METHOD a copy right was established.

Whatever Sony is doing with DRM should not be tied by our language to copy right. It Should be DUM instead, because it is managing our USE, and because it is indeed DUM.

What about Playstation? (5, Insightful)

iiioxx (610652) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738270)

I wonder if the new Sony CD's will be playable in Sony's PS or PS2? Being a CD and DVD player in addition to being a game station has always been a draw of the PS2 (at least, to budget-conscious consumers, like college students). If not, they just removed one of the PS2's selling points. Seems kind of cannibalistic.

woohoo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738272)

But you like capitalism? Don't you?

Terminology (2, Insightful)

mindstrm (20013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738274)

It's not a copyright system. Copyright is a matter of law, not technology.

This is a copy protection system.

no steps forward, 2 steps back... (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738277)

Well, you can't turn him into a company man,
you can't turn him into a whore.
And the boys upstairs just don't understand anymore.
Well, the top brass don't like him talking so much,
and he won't play what they say to play.
And he don't wanna change what don't need to change.

There goes the last DJ
who plays what he wants to play
and says what he wants to say, hey hey hey.
And there goes your freedom of choice,
there goes the last human voice.
There goes the last DJ.

Well, some folks said they're gonna hang him so high
cos you just can't do what he did.
There's some things you just
can't put in the minds of those kids.
As we celebrate mediocrity
all the boys upstairs wanna see
how much you'll pay for what you used to get for free.

There goes the last DJ
who plays what he wants to play
and says what he wants to say, hey hey hey.
There goes your freedom of choice,
there goes the last human voice.
There goes the last DJ.

Well, he got a new station down in Mexico
and sometimes it would kinda come in.
And I'll bust a move and remember how it was back then.

There goes the last DJ
who plays what he wants to play
and says what he wants to say, hey hey hey.
There goes your freedom of choice,
there goes the last human voice.
There goes the last DJ.

Copies vs originals (3, Insightful)

javilon (99157) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738278)

This days i trust the printed (legal) cd's better than the copies. They are usually better material quality and they play everywhere.
But with all this crap they are pushing into the printed cd's, it is going to be a good policy to just avoid them and trust the copies.
If you come across a copy of a music cd, you know that the person who copied it made the effort to remove the restrictions placed on it.
Therefore in the future, there will be less trouble with copies than with original discs!

Also, an album downloaded from the internet will have more value that a original one because it will play everywhere once you burn it!

I think this is gonna backfire on them.

NOT a new copyright method, a new copy PROTECTION (5, Insightful)

Jafafa Hots (580169) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738281)

A new copy PROTECTION method. The only way there can be a new COPYRIGHT method is via legislation.

I was thinking (1)

khold (164649) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738282)

You know, maybe Sony should call it Heaven's Gate

Are you sure it's not called... (1)

UnanimousCoward (9841) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738285)

...Label GATES CD???

bitch bitch bitch (1, Flamebait)

RazzleDazzle (442937) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738287)

sheesh. Can't you people just accept that you cannot win?? The phrase "it's too big to fail" comes to mind. We are just the little guys. They are some of the biggest most wealthy organizations in the country (the content companies like sony, universal, etc) how could we possibly make them be nice to us? Also it seems like they are in bed with microsoft so we should just quit trying to play around with this Linux thing. The experiment, while fun and interesting, is coming to an end. close up the FSF, the EFF, Open/Net/Free BSD, GNU, 2600, etc. In fact board up the internet. From now on we will have to pay to connect to SonyNet, powered by MS .NET, and brought to you by SprintNET and AT&T-NET. Don't forget to pay for your sign up fee, connection fee, useage fee, communication fee, interconnection fee, unsupported hardware fee, unsupported software fee, weekend use fee, cross country fee, intercountry fee, and buy_the_ceo_another_$12,000,000_mansion fee.

Bend over and say thank you to your wonderful fatherly corporations, bringing us all closer together like one big family. We know whats right for you and at just the right price (your credit card limit).

5 players? One for each label? (3, Interesting)

Flamesplash (469287) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738288)

So from what I can tell, if each of the Big 5 use a similar scheme that means that if I want to play an album from each of them I would need _5_ players, since they aren't going to use an open standard or at least a closed shared one. I think this, more than anything, will turn people off. I do not use anything other than winamp to listen to my mp3's and I don't want to have to install 5 applications and also switch between those 5 to listen to my music.

my entertainment system IS my computer (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738291)

granted, if I win the lottery I could get a full sound system, but for right now I consolidate and save money. Plus that gives me the benefit of having a fully programmable system and not saying, "Well crap! I guess since they didn't think to allow me to do X, I just will live without it" Screw that! Fire up the Python and add another button.

Like i care... (2)

niekze (96793) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738293)

Oh no! I can't listen to crappy mass-marketed mainstream boy bands on my computer anymore! I guess I'll just have to stick with quality deep house on vinyl and listen to them on my Technics SL-1200M3D's ;)

(let's see them try to DRM that. muahhaha)

Optical out (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4738302)

My Non-PC CD player has optical out, and my sound card has optical in. Go figure Sony !

That's OK... (2)

bdesham (533897) | more than 11 years ago | (#4738310)

...the Windows users are the majority of the people who use file-sharing systems to share music anyway...
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