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RIAA, MPAA Instigate U.S. Naval Academy Raid

timothy posted more than 11 years ago | from the and-thank-you-for-your-service dept.

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LaikaVirgin writes "After receiving a letter from 'four entertainment-based lobbying associations', the U.S. Naval Academy has seized nearly 100 midshipmen's computers that allegedly had pirated media. It's good to see that the armed forces know who's really in charge."

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biatch (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744915)

Pissed Frost?

We all know what really happened (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745004)

It was those goddamn heathen Canadian fucks that instigated the raid on the US of A.

I encourage all of my fellow Americans to call their representatives and demand immeadiate action agains the Canucks. They need to put in their place. We need to acquire the land and resources of the Great White Shitheads to the north of US.

Fuck the Canadians, let's take back what should be the property of the US of A.

Re:We all know what really happened (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745058)

I know you're just a troll but... Quote: Fuck the Canadians, let's take back what should be the property of the US of A. How in the hell can you take back what was never yours? Even your lame ass war back in 1812 I beleive, you guys tried to take us, and couldn't! You think Vietnam was the first war you lost - read your history books! Get your facts straight troll boy! 'Cause you sound like an ignorant American!

h to the goatse (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744916)

c to the penis bird
fo shizzle my tubgirl

New business-model? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744917)

1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: Do a U.S. Naval Academy Raid for pirated stuff!
4: Profit!

Re:New business-model? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744946)

New official FSF business-model!
1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: Eat a banana.
4: Profit!

Re:New business-model? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744961)

1) Write free software.
2) ?
3) Sell the service of anal sex to gay men.
4) Profit!

Instead of selling the software itself we should sell the service of anal sex.

Re:New business-model? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744997)

2: Pray to our beloved god Richard Stallman. He shall be our only god!

This is Farging War! (0)

Guitarsenal (624820) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744919)

The RIAA declairs on the war college? Man, they really are getting out of hand! BTW: My first First Post. Sweet!

Re:This is Farging War! (3, Informative)

gt25500 (622543) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744949)

My buddy who just went to college was so psyched and then they locked the whole network down. No p2p or hosting of anysort... He can't even connect to my web server because it runs on port 81.

so much for looking forward to college. All because of these bastard RIAA heads.

Re:This is Farging War! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745090)


ha ha what a loser - what college is he going to? The University of Amish Mutherfuckers?

Tell your friend to hit them where it really counts - have him get all drunk and protest on the quad! That'll show 'em!

Re:This is Farging War! (1)

bsharitt (580506) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745171)

We've had the same thing happen at UAH. They've blocked all the ports used by file sharing. If you're interested, it's the University of Alabama Huntsville. I would encourage anyone to call them and compain even if you don't go the UAH.

First!! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744923)

Yeah baby Yeah!! It was the dawn of the third age of mankind...

Gee... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744927)

Why did they take the computers?? They should have taken the pr0n..

Music? (5, Funny)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744930)

Maybe they we're bugged 'cos of all the illegal copies of "In The Navy" by YMCA ;)

Re:Music? (3, Informative)

T-Kir (597145) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744976)

Doh! Think before you post! "In The Navy" by The Village People, not YMCA... must be my day for stoopidity.

Re:Music? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744996)

Please also be funny before you post, too. Thanks.

Re:Music? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744983)

It's the Village People you dolt!

Re:Music? (5, Interesting)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745037)

""`Theft' is a harsh word, but that it is, pure and simple," the letter stated. "... It is no different from walking into the campus bookstore and in a clandestine manner walking out with a textbook without paying for it.""

Aside from the clear lack of logic in this statement, it is interesting to note that the RIAA has enough sense to not call it 'piracy' when they are talking to the Navy.

In reality, it's 'infringement of copyright' , not theft or piracy.

Re:Music? (3, Insightful)

ahfoo (223186) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745079)

In reality P2P is neither piracy or theft or copyright infringement.

Re:Music? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745185)

Why don't you attempt to earn that +3 insightful and actually explain how that is?

Sad news ... Stephen King dead at 55 (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744932)


I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Horror/Sci Fi writer Stephen King was found dead in his Maine home this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to popular culture. Truly an American icon.

Erk (1)

gt25500 (622543) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744933)

Well if software/music/movies didn't cost so much I'd buy them... You all know how it is... I mean if I wasn't a money struggling 16 year old it would be different :D

I wonder if Bill Gates uses this excuse still...

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (3, Funny)

trotski (592530) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744938)

The Navy would be raiding RIAA computer ;).

Go ahead, I'll take the karma hit!

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (1)

gt25500 (622543) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744965)

Haha, that would be some awesome sh*t right there.
"wtf? you have mp3s yourself!" *pistol whip*

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (3)

Stephen VanDahm (88206) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745003)

"IN SOVIET RUSSIA ... The Navy would be raiding RIAA computer ;)."

I'd pay good money to see that.

"Knife to Variable: SEAL team 6 is in position...."

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745062)

Your one of the better trolls here.

I tip my hat to you sir, your posts are always funny and not quite crap floods.

I do ask though that you only use them on really good spots. A few of your recent ones have been wonderfull, but prior to that you had some really weak posts.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (2)

SHEENmaster (581283) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745135)

The RIAA couldn't afford a computer!

(these are the best to arguments for communism that I've ever heard!)

They would be raiding the RIAA because... (2)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745163)

the RIAA was evading taxes?
Or because they need those downloaded mp3s to stop the reactor going critical?

Re:They would be raiding the RIAA because... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745181)

A little from column A, a little from column B

having difficulty breathing.... (5, Funny)

2Bits (167227) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744941)

Haven't read the article yet, but I'm rolling on the ground dying of laughter now.....

What's next? Raiding the Congress and White House, FBI headquarter, CIA headquarter, and Pentagon?

It would be really fun to see the Navy vs. RIAA/MPAA in the court.

Re:having difficulty breathing.... (5, Funny)

RickHunter (103108) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744972)

MPAA Lawyer: Your honor, it should be known that the defendant has a history of killing people, spending large amounts of money, and bias against gays!

Judge: Wow! You argument is very compelling. I can see now that they're just common hacker scum, out to undermine the very foundations of our society, unlike my fine friends at the MPAA! (Aside to Lawyer: Just leave the case of bills under your seat.)

Re:having difficulty breathing.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744988)

Maybe you should have read the article. The RIAA and MPAA didn't raid the Naval Academy. The Naval Academy administration raided the rooms of their own students. The administration decided to take action based on the letters that the RIAA and MPAA sent out earlier. This wasn't a case of the recording industry swooping in on the Naval Academy. It was an entirely internal affair.

Re:having difficulty breathing.... (5, Interesting)

fobbman (131816) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745047)

"What's next? Raiding the Congress and White House, FBI headquarter, CIA headquarter, and Pentagon?"

I honestly hope so. Maybe then the people who pass these stupid laws will see the mistakes that they have made and fix them.

If any of you out there are interns in the Whitehouse or Congress, and you know that there are potential RIAA/MPAA violations going on in those computers, then contact the appropriate folks to make sure that those computers are confiscated as high-profile as possible.

Re:having difficulty breathing.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745107)

Hell, I propose a military tribunal for Ms. Rosen.

post near the top troll (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744944)

i read /. today and heard something about $2 sand niggahs, trolls, offtopic posts, first posts, beowulf clusters, bsd dying, and cox is gay!

Priorities? (5, Insightful)

Rai (524476) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744947)

With global terrorism, domestic assassinations, and a possible war with Iraq, it's good to know that the armed forces have time for the really important things. Wonder how much tax money the *AA's will claim for these violations.

I wonder (2)

CleverNickName (129189) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745049)

So does this mean that the RIAA and the MPAA are "with the terrorists?"

Re:Priorities? (1)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745059)

With global terrorism, domestic assassinations, and a possible war with Iraq, it's good to know that the armed forces have time for the really important things.

It is important for them. You often see military schools bust a bunch of students for things like this where it is easy to break the rules. The theory is that the students are supposed to be honest and self policing on things like this.

"Integrity" is a big deal to these people. Making an example out of a group of them serves as a lesson to the rest of the students.

Re:Priorities? (3, Insightful)

AntiNorm (155641) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745111)

It is important for them. You often see military schools bust a bunch of students for things like this where it is easy to break the rules. The theory is that the students are supposed to be honest and self policing on things like this

Perhaps this should be obvious, but if they are supposed to be honest and self-policing -- suppose they are. That means that they do not see MP3 trading as a violation of any moral code. What does that tell you? Even our own military is starting to dislike the *AA.

Re:Priorities? (4, Insightful)

clark625 (308380) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745091)

I don't disagree with you generally-speaking. But here we're talking about military personnel, and soon-to-be officers at that. I don't think the crack-down was wrong here. When people sign up for the military, they sign away their rights. That's just the way it works--a military isn't a democracy for very good reason.


The military service has a big reason to have the public supporting them. It's killer when they go away on missions knowing that John Q Public doesn't care--or worse, doesn't want them to be where they are. These types of opinions can come from terrible media hype about our armed forces personnel--"hey look... those guys fighting for us are just a bunch of s/pot-heads/priracy goons/". Not cool. Remember, an officer can still be thrown out of the military for having an affair. It's not illegal--but it is conduct unbecoming an officer. And do we really think that it's proper conduct to steal music? Well, this is /., so maybe most do. Fair use is one thing--stealing is something else.


In any case, these crack-downs are a good thing in my opinion. Future military officers need to be above reproach. Remember, these kids chose to be there--they weren't drafted. They gave their rights over to their country to serve our needs. Give them all the respect they deserve and maybe even send these kids a (legal) CD if they really want music.

Re:Priorities? (2)

Spazholio (314843) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745092)

Oh, do be quiet. I hate it when people say that. You're the kind of person who would ask the officer if he didn't have anything better to do, or real criminals to be catching when you get caught speeding. Guess what? You were speeding. You *are* a real criminal.

What these midshipmen were doing, while it should not BE wrong, is wrong. The RIAA says that they are stealing, and the Navy is obligated to respond and investigate. The way to investigate is to take all the evidence (read as: computers) and examine them for evidence of wrongdoing. If they are, they should be punished because this is the law as it stands. If there is no evidence, the computers should be given back.

You make it sound as if they are ignoring the large problems for the small ones. They are dealing with both. You mention terrorism only to bolster a point that has no merit anyway. "If I can't do X, then the terrorists have already won." Screw that. How the hell this got modded up is beyond me.

Oh, and just for the record, I do NOT agree with the actions of the RI/MPAA, but they way things currently are, downloading MP3s *IS* considered stealing, unless the artists gives permission.

And we're surprised why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744948)

Uh, duh? If the Navy gave them their computers (even if they had to pay it back over deductions in their paychecks), then the Navy can do whatever the hell it wants with them. If it wants to take them back, okay. If it wants to shoot them into the sun, okay... I assume companies would do the same if porn and/or warez is found on employees' computers?

I think this is comparable to (4, Insightful)

RomikQ (575227) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744952)

underage drinking. yeah, you can put all the offending youngsters in jail or you can punish whoever sold them the booze in the first place.

as a paedophobe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745182)

I'd have to say put *all* the kids in jail.
Keeps them out of trouble, right?

How? (5, Interesting)

marshac (580242) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744958)

I really wonder how the academy was able to simple seize the computers. It said that the midshipmen were "given" a computer when the entered the academy, but paid back the value over time..... this would indicate that these computers were the property of the midshipmen. So unless they had a search warrant, how were they able to seize and search the computers?

Re:How? (0, Troll)

the_2nd_coming (444906) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745001)

the same how the FBI can take your computer from you if there is significant evidence that you are comitting a crime with it....SEARCH WARENTS

Re:How? (1)

lingenfr (62184) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745082)

Actually not the same. Since the American people recognized the militarys need to stricter laws and abridged freedoms in order to maintain order and discipline, we have the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It is not the same as any other university.

While possession of the copyrighted material is likely illegal, I imagine that it will be dealt with as an honors violation provided all of the content was for personal use. I doubt that it will be career ending unless there is an express policy that has been emphasized to the midshipmen.

The whole issue of the **AA's heavy-handed tactics makes we want to forbid my kids from purchasing a CD until they turn 18. If we could get direct artist to consumer sales and cut out the middlemen, we could all afford music and musicians could still be rich. A shareware model seems the right way to go.

Re:How? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745008)

"So unless they had a search warrant, how were they able to seize and search the computers?"

That's a very good question. And an even more interesting question will be "what is the limit of damages that can be claimed in a lawsuit against the agency doing this illegal search and seizure?"

Why is the RIAA seemingly unique among enterprises who are generally afraid to take ANY controversial action of ANY kind, for fear of being sued? Abusing police power against Navy Academy cadets? Taking computers which could conceivably contain data that requires clearance to access? Pissing off future military officers? Pissing off their FATHERS, who are CURRENT military officers?

This just isn't the kind of action that I would recommend as "wise", if I were the counsel for the people responsible. Seems quite a risky business.

Re:How? (2)

ealar dlanvuli (523604) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745150)

Because they are the cartel of the 21st century.

It kind of scares me to think what it will be like in the 22nd century if we stay on this path.

Re:How? (1)

EverDense (575518) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745009)

So unless they had a search warrant, how were they able to seize and search the computers?

The "midshipmen" may own the computers, but the Navy owns the "midshipmen".

Re:How? (3, Insightful)

clark625 (308380) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745018)

It might surprise you, but folks who have entered the armed services don't have rights. Seriously. I'm sure you've heard that so-and-so signed his life away to the Army? Well, what actually happened was that upon entering the service, the individual gave away his/her own rights to protect the rights of others.


Sure, some people don't like this fact. But it's important that our military have clear understandings that they are not out on a joy-ride and they can't leave whenever they like. They are the property of the govenment and officers do have the authority to use deadly force on a soldier who won't obey orders (at least in time of war). If you're ever drafted, or you sign up for the service, you don't have the right anymore to complain about first ammendment violations and the like (except in protecting others' rights) because frankly, the Bill of Rights doesn't apply to you.

Re:How? (3, Informative)

TechDock (558245) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745086)

Actually, military folks do have rights, just not the same ones as civilians. The military population is subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

Given that, I suspect that the argument could be made that the computers don't actually belong to the midshipmen until after they graduate and the systems are fully paid off, and is government property until then. Any veterans out there that could offer more insight?

Re:How? (1)

Fembot (442827) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745128)

Last time i checked army's had naff all todo with protecting other people's rights, and more to do with strengthening contries.

Re:How? (2)

garcia (6573) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745044)

the midshipmen themselves are the property of the government. The school can do as they wish.

Downloading of copyrighted material is usually against a school's TOS anyway. So if they were breaking that, and the school even owned PART of the computers, they had the right to confiscate them.

Re:How? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745072)

It's called the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice). You do not need a warrant to search and seize property on a military base. Every one is guilty until proven innocent.

Wide Spread Panic? (2)

Flamesplash (469287) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744966)

Unfortunatly, I doubt this is atypical of those serving under the government. While those actually running the systems are probably smart enough to not do such a thing, those using the systems may not be.

Re:Wide Spread Panic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745035)

WHAAAT? The navy listens to widespred panic????

That really fucking sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744973)


I mean, it will probably destroy the careers of those young men for doing something harmless. FUCK the RIAA until their bleeing assholes are full of the consumer's splooge, I say! Mutherfuckers, those kids are going to defend your fat lazy rich asses someday you CUNTS.

Very true (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744998)

It's safe to say those cadets are in a world of shit over this. Hilary Rosen has a lot to be proud of.

Arrr! (5, Funny)

duckpoopy (585203) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744978)

I always knew the Navy was full of pirates.

Midshipman Honor Code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4744982)

A potentially devastating (to the mids) side effect of the raids could be expulsion. All the service academies have honor codes which preclude lying, stealing, cheating, or tolerating anyone who does. The _normal_ sanction for violating the code is expulsion. Given the USNA's administration seems to believe that the allegation of stealing is sufficient to seize the computers, it's conceivable the effected midshipmen may be booted for violating the honor code. Further, any of their roommates or other friends who knew that had the "illegal" material could be booted for toleration. Is their "offense" really so bad as to end their careers? It just might happen.

Re:Midshipman Honor Code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745063)

Regarding the lying, stealing, cheating etc...I think the problem lies with role models. The Commander in Chief (Bush) isn't exactly the poster child for ethics and honor. Perhaps they need to start a little higher up the food chain, and establish a little morals (don't confuse with 'honor' that's bullshit) in the Armed Forces.

Re:Midshipman Honor Code (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745122)


Why would you say such a thing, you smelly hippy liberal tree-hugging animal-fucking rights-infringing terrorist-sympathizing socialist faggot muther-fucker?

Question... (2)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744989)

... aren't Navy personell in need of entertainment?

I know that I, for one, wouldn't want to play games like that with people who are willing to die so I can maintain my quality of life.

So the RIAA MPAA think they are police (1)

The Analog Kid (565327) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744990)

Now they are doing police work, what next they become the established goverment of the U.S. too.

Having gone to a military academy... (4, Interesting)

aluminumcube (542280) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744994)

I can't imagine being dumb enough to use a school issued computer, on a school run network to do anything even remotly wrong. That would be in defiance of the #1 rule any military academy cadet should know, the very rule to end all rules: Don't Get Caught.

Think about it; military schools are places where they punish you harshly for dumb shit, like not having the back of your belt buckle shined or having your underwear folded 4" across instead of 6". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that breaking a real law in such an environment is going to be met with harsh consequences... no matter how dumb that law is.

The Future of Warfare (5, Funny)

Nastard (124180) | more than 11 years ago | (#4744999)

How long before we start to see corporate sponsership of our armed forces? Ideas like "Apple Navy", "AOL/Time-Warner Air Force" and "Dell Army" are becoming less outlandish.

On the plus side, the marketing would be interesting.

"...and the F-16 was all like beepbeepbeep..."

Re:The Future of Warfare (5, Funny)

fungus (37425) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745038)

Halliburton Air Farce? "This news report on Iraq is brought to you by... Shell! Shell, for a clean and affordable energy source."

Ohhhhh Whoah, You're An AOL'er...Now... (2)

Myriad (89793) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745097)

Ideas like "Apple Navy", "AOL/Time-Warner Air Force" and "Dell Army" are becoming less outlandish.

DUUUUDE, somebody set us up the bomb!

You know, you maybe onto something... I've often thought AOL confused the concept of subscription with conscription when giving out those damned CDs. Perhaps there is more to it...

Re:The Future of Warfare (1)

Simon Kongshoj (581494) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745180)

EXTRA: First merger of US Armed Forces and private enterprise has shown result as the Navy and Air Force reveal their new Microsoft Cruise Missiles.

In related news, sighs of relief were heard all over Baghdad.

Wow... (1)

stevezero (620090) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745010)

It's nice to know that they did this raid in time for the end of the term (assuming they are on the semester system, the term would end around the middle of December)

Secondly, why the hell did the USNA agree to do this? Where did the orders come from, the commander of the Academy, or someone higher up? Did the RIAA orchestrate the raid, or was it solely the Academy's doing?

Lastly, while I am sure that owning pirated MP3's is against the honor code, why are students found guilty expelled?

It's also important to note that the computers were issued by the USNA to the students, with the cost of the computers withdrawn from their pay. If they don't get the computers back, do they get a refund of what they have already paid?

Re:Wow... (1)

b0r1s (170449) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745162)


Secondly, why the hell did the USNA agree to do this? Where did the orders come from, the commander of the Academy, or someone higher up? Did the RIAA orchestrate the raid, or was it solely the Academy's doing?

Lastly, while I am sure that owning pirated MP3's is against the honor code, why are students found guilty expelled?


The second paragraph is the answer to the first question: a midshipman without honor is of no use to the Navy. Yes, they'll probably be expelled: they broke a law, what else would you expect to happen?

Just because you don't agree with a law does not justify breaking it. If you break the law, and you're at an institution with an honor code, expect to be punished severely.

So which department is stronger? (2)

PissingInTheWind (573929) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745013)

'After receiving a letter from four entertainment-based lobbying associations'...

So does that means that the U.S. Propaganda Department have more power than the U.S. Naval Academy ?

Some might be offensed by such thoughts, but it is in some way a reality: America get as much (or more!) power abroad from Hollywood than from their military.

Re:So which department is stronger? (2)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745144)

So does that means that the U.S. Propaganda Department have more power than the U.S. Naval Academy ?

On US soil, probably yes. It's remarkably difficult legally to get the armed forces to do anything within the borders of the US, which is why the National Guard, not the regular Army or Marines are called out to deal with situations like homeland security or disaster relief. It's different in different Western countries (for example in the UK we have the regular Army manning the fire service while the Labour Party have one of their traditional tussles with the unions). If the lobbyists tried to board a US Navy ship in international waters, it would be an entirely different matter :-)

What ever happened (1)

xmedar (55856) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745027)

to "Don't ask don't tell"?

RIAA sales down. Prices up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745051)

In the article, they mention:

"CD sales fell more than 5 percent in 2001 and dipped another 1 percent in the first half of this year, according to the RIAA."

Is there a good reference to how prices changed during this time?

Re:RIAA sales down. Prices up? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745100)

RIAA says they don't know, but its a really good deal for us:

http://www.riaa.org/MD-US-7.cfm [riaa.org]

The RIAA and MPAA (5, Insightful)

I_redwolf (51890) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745055)

Just put an end to their whole propoganda "we are going to get everyone and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law" shit. If there is one thing on earth you don't fuck with its people with the power to make it very difficult for you to operate. The US Naval Academy (as well as other military institutions) has stronger ties to business, schools and government than the RIAA/MPAA/etc/etc could ever dream of. These are the people that have strong influential power when it comes to basically anything regarding basically anything. Not only that but these institutions harbor great ill-will to anyone threatening the "future of our country" over something they'll see as extremely "trivial".

Also, once you piss one military institution off unless it's a battle between divisions (army vs navy etc) then none of them like you. I can already see alot of top brass talking about these Lobbying institutions especially since Thanksgiving is coming up. The word will spread and friends of friends, families who have made service life a career will hear about this. It will spread to public servants etc and this one action seriously just damaged any pull the RIAA/MPAA/NMPA and the Songwriters Guild had with government. Especially considering the state of affairs on the table now. Not only that but the owners of the equipment that was seized will truly remember this especially if they get article 15's as well as not knowing if you're fucking with the next (insert influential power here) or if one of those young men/women has a father/mother/aunt/uncle who happens to be a congressman or senator or what have you.

Re:The RIAA and MPAA (1)

elmegil (12001) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745191)

Unfortunately, these were just midshipmen, not "The Navy".

Industry finally sees the light... (4, Funny)

djmurdoch (306849) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745057)

Some of the recording industry's biggest stars, such as Madonna, Mick Jagger and Eminem, have joined coalitions to combat the wholesale theft of music. The industry claims this threatens the livelihood of everyone from artists, songwriters and manufacturers to sound engineers and record-store owners and clerks.

Finally the industry realizes that these thuggish tactics are going to hurt their sales :-).

Re:Industry finally sees the light... (3, Interesting)

sql*kitten (1359) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745167)

Some of the recording industry's biggest stars, such as Madonna, Mick Jagger and Eminem, have joined coalitions to combat the wholesale theft of music.

Eminem who says download the audio on MP3 [lyricsdownload.com] you mean?

Well (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745065)

Soon as I saw the story on the front page I knew what awaited inside. Hundreds of posts from zitty geeks trying to be punker-than-thou by coming up with ever-more-obscure namedropping to make up for their lack of real style (or to pretend that they are actually old enough to have been involved). Drop the pretension kiddos. We all know that your Blink 182 CD is older than your copy of Bollocks.

I love how a whole new level of conformity has been created by the average bozo's efforts at individuality. It might almost work if your personal definition of individuality didn't depend so heavily on how you present yourself to others. I mean, what's the sense of being into bullshit like [insert pseudo-non-mainstream hobby here] if you can't talk about it to make yourself superior to your peers?

Kinda sounds like the Linux crowd, huh? "I'm so ALTERNATIVE by patching my kernel every day while you brainwashed Windows sheep meander in unenlightened tedium." Funny to think that if you had back all the time you spent tweaking and patching (for no good reason other than to say you have the latest version), you wouldn't know what to do with the workstation on your desk.

*sigh*

excuse the rant. caffiene has yet to be digested.

Re:Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745134)

Kinda like Anime.

I saw cmdr taco admit somewhere that the reason he got into anime because he was bored at college because he apparently had no life so he decided gee if i just rent a bunch of normal movies at blockbuster that wouldn't be very interesting, i know! I'll rent a bunch of japanese cartoons instead that'll be cool! I'll still just be inside watching Tv but it'll be COOL tv!

Ya it's sad.

Code of Honor (5, Insightful)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745078)

The military academies have a very strict code of honor. For a midshipman to be caught with something like pirated music would probably result in summary dismissal from the academy.

Evidence presented by the RIAA that midshipmen were engaging in illegal activites like this would really cause the administration of Annapolis to investigate quite carefully, and be VERY upset if this sort of thing was going on.

I feel sorry for these people - if they are caught with pirated music, their careers at the Naval academy are done.

"theft"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745080)

"`Theft' is a harsh word, but that it is, pure and simple,"

If the letter contained that glaring inaccuracy, anyone competent in the law should have thrown it in the trash immediately. Copyright infringement is not legally, morally, theoretically or practically anything much like theft.

It never ceases to amaze me that even on slashdot I see people calling copying data "theft" and going unchallenged on it. Although it is a crime, and is often legally and morally wrong, it is not in any sense theft. Nobody can seriously dispute that. It's blatantly wrong and would be obviously counter-intuitive to call it "theft" if it weren't for the extensive propaganda we've all been fed to convince us otherwise.

It's bullshit, pure and simple, and very fragrant.

Well La Dee Da (3, Insightful)

blandthrax (575357) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745081)

Some of the recording industry's biggest stars, such as Madonna, Mick Jagger and Eminem, have joined coalitions to combat the wholesale theft of music. The industry claims this threatens the livelihood of everyone from artists, songwriters and manufacturers to sound engineers and record-store owners and clerks.

I feel for these people, I really do. I say we set up a Paypal account to help keep Mick, Madonna and Marshall (emineminem?) fed and clothed. Oh sure, take me to task on this but honestly, shouldn't the RIAA present better examples than pampared, multimillionaire recording artists to make their case. I mean c'mon, Mick Jagger could never sell another record in his life and still live like a king, same with Madonna. This RIAA FUD is preposterous. These people can afford to buy their records, I can't and neither can a lot of people I know, that's just the sad reality of things right now. So I'm a thief, well I guess that's just a matter of perspective isn't it?

Trading of Music, etc (1)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745103)

Would violate the Code of Conduct for the Cadets.

"Moral and ethical development is a fundamental element of all aspects of the Naval Academy experience. As future officers in the Navy or Marine Corps, midshipmen will someday be responsible for the priceless lives of many men and women and multi-million dollar equipment. From Plebe Summer through graduation, the Naval Academy's Character Development Program is a four-year integrated continuum that focuses on the attributes of integrity, honor, and mutual respect. One of the goals of this program is to develop midshipmen who possess a clearer sense of their own moral beliefs and the ability to articulate them. Honor is emphasized through the Honor Concept of the Brigade of Midshipmen-a system which was originally formulated in 1951 and states "Midshipmen are persons of integrity, they stand for that which is right." These Naval Academy "words to live by" are based on the moral values of respect for human dignity, respect for honesty and respect for the property of others. Brigade Honor Committees composed of elected upperclass midshipmen are responsible for education and training in the Honor Concept. Midshipmen found in violation of the Honor Concept by their peers may be separated from the Naval Academy."

http://www.usna.edu/CharacterDevelopment/other/p ri nciples.html

joke? (2)

oyenstikker (536040) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745108)

I read an article about this yesterday, and was sure it was satire. A joke. Please tell me this was a joke. Please.

The DoD recent;y barred Powerpoint (4, Funny)

gelfling (6534) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745116)

In the Pentagon, it became so common for the chart jockies to put together such enormous PPTs that brought down the internal networks at the Pentagon just shipping the PPTs around to the audience that the Brass had to ban/restrict its use. It was common for even the most ordinary presentation to contain movies, sounds sub programs, shooting stars.... Presentations typically ran to the multi-hundred megabytes.

I guess what I'm getting at is the DoD has a culture of extreme presentation and content bloat for no good reason. Seems to me that the upper management tacitly approves of massive media collection and sharing.

Sensationalism (2)

cascino (454769) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745118)

For all (/. included) that are trying to make this a RIAA/MPAA vs. The U.S. Armed Forces battle, it simply is not. This is no different than the seizure of computers, harddrives, etc., by colleges and universities around the country over the last few years. The writeup conjures images of soldiers in enemy waters having their navigational computers seized, when in fact it's merely a case of a bunch of students downloading music/movies on their government issued (owned?) computers.
Sensationalism gets everyone all riled up about what doesn't amount to much.
Of course I'm not happy about what happened; I wish someone would stand up to these multi-billion dollar industries. I do, however, feel that this really isn't that big a deal. Yes, it's technically a part of the government, but then again, don't try to tell me "midshipmen" wasn't purposely used instead of "students" for effect.

This is more serious than you think... (5, Informative)

DavidBrown (177261) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745127)

Forget all of the debate here on /. about whether or not copying copyrighted material is theft. For these 100 midshipmen, the real question is whether or not the Naval Academy will consider their acts as "theft" and charge them with violating the Honor Concept.

Naval Academy Midshipmen serve under an Honor Concept, which states:

"A midshipman does not lie, cheat, or steal."

Penalties for violating the Honor Concept include: reprimand, being sent to the fleet for a year (and maybe being allowed to come back), and getting thrown out of the Naval Academy.

Hopefully, the Honor Board won't get involved and these midshipmen will be subjected to only administrative discipline (loss of weekend liberty for a period of time, etc.).

You can count on one thing though - Everyone at the Naval Academy will get lectured on how they can't illegally duplicate copywritten material, and the next midshipmen who get caught won't get off so easily.

IAAUSNAG - I am a United States Naval Academy Graduate

You break the law.. (1)

nlinecomputers (602059) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745138)

..you pay the piper. I think that most copyright laws are immoral but it IS THE LAW. Should we not hold Navy Cadets and Goverment personel to a HIGHER standard?

Go ahead. Mod me down. I'm a not a Troll, I am an OGRE and you better say "Sir" when you call me that.

braindead managers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4745141)

CD sales fell more than 5 percent in 2001 and dipped another 1 percent in the first half of this year, according to the RIAA.

eat my shit - i dont even listen to your fucking music...

RIAA: Big brother of the Artist (5, Funny)

Gyorg_Lavode (520114) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745145)

Remember, only the RIAA is allowed to steal from needy artists. May God help anyone else who tries.

What were they THINKING! (3, Interesting)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745155)

I mean honestly, they were using what is essentially a government network even if it was their own machine. The midshipmen were stupid. I am surprised that their superiors did not catch it before the RIAA did.

My **AA fights... (5, Interesting)

rosewood (99925) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745160)

Sigh, let me take a page from my journal from this week. The **AA's influence on Universities is fucking sick. Pardon the language, I was absolutely angered.

God fucking damn it. So I was given a fairly simple assignment in my 160G Music Appriciation class. I have to listen to Verdi's Rigoletto and write some shit about it. Well, I fucking love Rigoletto but the only copy I have is at my mom's house on an LP.

So, I figure the internet will help me. So, I fireup ol kazaa lite. I do a search for Rigoletto and find exactly what I want. So, I start to download. I am getting literally HUNDREDS of BYTES per second. Mother FUCKER. So, I let kazaa do its magic and its downloading from 4 people and all at ass speeds. I message one of the people I am downloading from and he says he is on a company T1 line and has great speeds. So, I am being raped by my university.

Well, I call up the communications people. I tell them whats up and they say its illegal for me to download music from kazaa and that if I don't stop they will take away my connection. I told him the hell it is, Verdi's Rigoletto has been in the public domain for hundred + years and that is bullshit. He hung up on me after I said bullshit. I called back and got the same guy. I asked for his supervisor and the supervisor told me using kazaa was against campus policy. I asked him to point it out to me and he told me that I can not download copyrighted materials. I said fine, this is not a copyrighted material, so give me my bandwidth. He told me I was just SOL. They kept asking for my room # but I refused. The last thing I need is them trying to cut my fucking connection off.

God damn bastards.

Damned if you do (5, Insightful)

overshoot (39700) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745169)

This was so amazingly un-smart for everyone involved that I'm utterly stunned.
  • As others have noted, the middies had to have been smoking something to put anything on P2P from the Academy.
  • The Academy just qualified for the Pearl Harbor Memorial Security Award by actually having an wide-open network.
  • The Content Cartel just caused an entire year's worth of middies to get flushed down the tubes. People Who Count won't forget what this particular witch-hunt cost.
In the long run, this cost the Cartel so much good-will that it will take freaking million$ in bribes^Wcampaign contributions to repair the damage.

Fear-mongering (2, Insightful)

RoC MasterMind (576689) | more than 11 years ago | (#4745189)

"illegally possessing copyrighted material"
This is an extremely broad term. Also, I have copyrighted material everywher ein my house. My CD's, my books, hell, even my copy of XP-err Linux ;-)
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