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The Wireless City

michael posted more than 11 years ago | from the hey-buddy-wanna-buy-a-laptop dept.

The Internet 268

bigfatlamer writes "This week's NY Times City Section has an article (FRRYYY) on wireless access in New York City's busiest park, Bryant Park. The director of the park has installed a free 802.11b network with complete coverage of the park with help from NYC Wireless. From the article: 'With some clever engineering and hardware from Cisco Systems and Intel, the wireless park was born. Just as park users could sit wherever they liked, so too could they gain access where they liked. The eight-megabytes-per-second connection was as free as the sunshine and the green grass.' NYC Wireless is currently working with the Parks Dept. to put similar networks in Madison Square and Tompkins Square Parks. If they could do Prospect Park (3 blocks from my house) life would be perfect." NYCwireless helps those who help themselves...

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Tally (1)

SnowDeath (157414) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760288)

Now, if we could only get people that care and have power/money to look into my wireless scheme for Tallahassee!

Trivial Wireless News As The U.S. Becomes A (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760478)


Dictatorship.

Slashdot reports trivial news about wireless while the [whitehouse.org]
Cheney-Rumsfeld Dictatorship plots to enslave U.S. residents as it broadens its Meta-Wars Against Countries That Opposes U.S. Business Interests [mnftiu.cc]

Put that in your bong and inhale!

Be Patriotic: Smoke Amerikan Grown Marijuana.

Cheers,
Woot

Re:Trivial Wireless News As The U.S. Becomes A (0)

SnowDeath (157414) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760510)

Warning! Those links are redirects to goatcx!

Did I get it? (-1, Offtopic)

firstpostrobot (628636) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760289)

Just trying to get first post. Mod me down, please, I am so off topic it makes me sick. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Another great free software business-model! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760294)

1: Write free software.
2: ?
3: The Wireless City.
4: Profit!

Re:Another great free software business-model! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760316)

2: Sell the service of anal-sex to gay men instead of the actual software itself.

Re:Another great free software business-model! (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760358)

2: Burn penis on laptop.

gimmie (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760295)

gimmie

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (2, Funny)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (621411) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760296)

We have cityless wires!

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760617)

This is NOT FUNNY ANYMORE. It was funny two months ago on the shack.

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760748)

in soviet russia, shackphrases post YOU on slashdot!

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (1)

kjeldsen (410097) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760753)

WAIT!
THE SHACK!
As in Shacknews! All the chicks thats fit to link in the eternal Babehunts for GREAT JUSTICE!

802.11A? (0, Offtopic)

StormKnightHec (618707) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760299)

Are there any plans to do 802.11A around the park, as well? BTW FP.

yup (5, Funny)

dolo666 (195584) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760300)

... and Pringles sales skyrocket!

Unacountable bits? (5, Interesting)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760315)

I'd love to see a wide-open WiFi access system installed at my local park, but I'm concerned that the network might be abused for use in spamming, DOSing, or other hacking. What logical restrictions should be put on a public WiFi center so that the majority of good people can enjoy the system while the small number of people who would do the Internet harm are foiled?

Re:Unacountable bits? (2, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760357)

I'd imagine a transparent proxy that won't let you do anything past HTTP and POP3.

I doubt they want warez kids sitting in the park to download their gamez on the fat wireless pipe, either.

Re:Unacountable bits? (5, Insightful)

don_carnage (145494) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760398)

Perhaps a traffic shaper would be usefull as well to keep one node from eating up all of the bandwidth.

The problem with a free service like this is that it will be free up until the point where someone abuses it.

Re:Unacountable bits? (2)

pVoid (607584) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760449)

I have a dream that in the future, there will a wireless network spanning that planet (a-la star trek subspace frequency).

I also have a dream that there will be IPv6 to support such a grandiose network.

As for security, in those years, thing will be 'much more secure'... like only some slight fraction of the servers today are.

I also see that you will not need to propagate your email address for doing usefull things (like registration to porn sites, or mega-corporations who think they own you)... like some of us are already doing today.

Ahhh..... it's just a dream.

Re:Unacountable bits? (3, Informative)

draziw (7737) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760461)

Yes, they allow outbound:
node faq [nycwireless.net]

Is it secure? No! Wireless Ethernet is insecure by default. Any user on the Wireless Local Area Network (WLAN) can spy on unencrypted traffic from other wireless users. Wired connections are generally more secure when communicating with other servers. Users are advised to use SSL to connect to web pages and mail hosts, SSH instead of telnet whenever possible, and VPNs (virtual private networks) for all other data to ensure privacy and security. You may see literature saying that the 802.11b standard includes provisions for optional 40- or 128-bit link-level encryption over the air, however, current implementations require the encryption key to be shared by all users of the wireless LAN, effectively eliminating the usefulness of this security feature in an open network environment.

Also fyi: How to find access [nycwireless.net]

Re:Unacountable bits? (1)

aheath (628369) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760462)

I can't think of reasonable and logical restrictions to impose on a public WiFi network. My intitial thought would be to limit trafic to HTTP, ICMP, SHTTP, and SMTP by using a firewall. However, I think many users would find this to be too restrictive. Allowing ICMP and SMTP opens up the possibility of DOS attacks and spamming. An application proxy firewall is problematic because it might require users to change the proxy settings on their computers before they can access the Internet. A firewall that implements stateful packet inspection would allow some level of control without requiring users to change any settings. I think the best solution would be to implement method of posting a pop-up notice when a computer connects to the WiFi network. This would allow the network operator to display a brief acceptable use policy. Perhaps the pop-up could be extended to require the reading of and agreement to an acceptable use policy or some form of EULA. Presumably this would require some programming by the WiFi NIC vendors and operating system vendors. I am not sure that the network operator of a public WiFi network will want to take the time and effort to set up and maintain a firewall between the public WiFi network and the Internet. I suspect that any business offering this service will be concerned about the legal implications that arise from any active effort to restrict access or use. Can I reduce my liability if I actively restrict access and use or actively monitor activity on the network? Am I less liable for DOS attacks and spamming that originate on my network if I leave the network wide open?

Always this argument... (5, Insightful)

Thalia (42305) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760467)

I am tired of the usual diatribe from security people that bandwidth is this great outlet for danger. Any system could be used for DOS, DDOS, Spam, spoofing, hacking onto other machines in the park, secret Chinese spy deals, and more. Get over it.

Some would liken IP connectivity to a printing press, and argue the company providing the press must watch each item printed against copyrighted, subversive, or pornographic works. Others would argue it is like electricity, a utility that is provided fairly cheaply after the initial wiring is installed, and need not be charged for at all for small amounts. The few who see it as a wilderness, full of abuse and crime and desparados checking for weakness tend to sell computer security services.

Re:Always this argument... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760763)

I agree, it drives me nuts. They are using the same logic to eliminate pay phones. I expect to see cash and anonymous postage gone in my life time.

Re:Unacountable bits? (1)

Trunkboy (624638) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760569)

I was wondering too. I'm certain it wasn't "overlooked" -- so I really do want to know what the security tactics used might be. ...it's gonna take a lot of warchalk to cover the entire park. ;)

The net is infrastructure... (4, Insightful)

the_verb (552510) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760318)

As much as we want the 'net to be privately funded, it seems pretty unrealistic to expect networks like this to spring up privately. Like the road system, or sanitation, shouldn't access be a utility?

--v.

Re:The net is infrastructure... (1)

sys$manager (25156) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760574)

No, because it is not necessary. Sanitation is necessary to prevent disease. Roads are necessary to get people places.

The Internet is a toy. People think it's a lot more than it really is.

Re:The net is infrastructure... (2, Insightful)

samfreed (572658) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760758)

If the net is a toy, then so are all public libraries, all locations and facilities for people met and talk, and, ultimately, civilization itself becomes a toy by you.

Time to accept that change happens. When we were growing up there was no net but we had phones. When out parents grew up there was no phone but they had electricity. When their parents grew up there was no electricity.... You get the point. It took many years to get my dad to use a touch-tone phone, but eventually he did.

Re:The net is infrastructure... (3, Interesting)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760653)

Power companies, health care, and telephone service are private interprises. What makes the internet so special that it should be any different?

There's nothing like a nice day in the park (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760331)

Relaxing with your laptop while sitting on a bench... as long as it doesn't burn your penis.

Re:There's nothing like a nice day in the park (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760406)

you should have provided a link to the news story. Now people just think you're dumb. Besides, why would you have your dink out in public?

Re:There's nothing like a nice day in the park (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760430)

Everyone in the known universe has seen the story [cnn.com] . I know this, because I've been forwarded the story countless times by my "friends."

Free Information? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760332)

Free Internet Access?
Free Information?
What is this world coming to! Perhaps someone will get wise, and charge admission to enter the park. Yes... that sounds typically American.

Re:Free Information? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760735)

as opposed to typically Palestinian, which involves blowing themselves and you up the minute you get there, for 'occupying their land'.

Would be nice... (2, Funny)

Nickdawwg (609344) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760334)

It would be nice to get something like that here in New Orleans. Wishful thinking on my part... I just had a 30 minute conversation with a coworker explaining this newfangled internet thing.

Riiiiiiiiiight..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760524)

I once considered taking a driving tour of the South as a vacation, with a stop in New Orleans among other places. I never did take the trip, but I *did* manage to scratch New Orleans off my list of destinations when I discovered that more than one travel guide took pains to point out that street crime in broad daylight (even on a crowded street) is quite common, and that if you look like anything remotely resembling a tourist, you're just asking to become a victim.

<sarcasm>So sure, I'd looooove to sit on a bench somewhere and pull out my laptop, in that environment.</sarcasm>

Re:Riiiiiiiiiight..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760718)

That's because the tourists are the only folks here not carrying guns. If you wanted to pick a victim, who would you pick? I'm completely serious.

A Nice Sunny Day... (5, Funny)

CrazyDuke (529195) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760338)

...The perfect day to go leech Gigs of pr0n in the park for free!

Come on! Smile! You know you want to...

Re:A Nice Sunny Day... (3, Funny)

_ph1ux_ (216706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760635)

Lady walking her dog in the park.

Man runs up to her wearing a trenchcoat. Man opens trench coat - flashing lady with moving images from www.hot-sex.com on LCD screens hiden inside his jacket.

Lady screams.

Man runs away into the bushes.

Re:A Nice Sunny Day... (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760655)

leech Gigs of pr0n

Hrm.

-Gigs

internet access? (1)

newsdee (629448) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760339)

In this case, "free network" means that computers are free to network with each other as long as they are in the park, or that the park has free (wireless) internet access as well?

I guess a free Internet would be expensive for the provider and slow for the user... however I don't think it would be very difficult to have your own provider giving you access (for which you are already paying) wherever you are.

Re:internet access? (2)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760405)

WiFi is inherently peer-to-peer. When you have two or more devices within range of each other, you have a network. There wouldn't need to be anything that's not user provided unless they were providing a point that reaches the Internet.

What about security? (-1, Insightful)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760342)

You would think that with the WTC tragedy just blocks away, NYC would be a little bit more cautious. What security precautions have they taken to ensure that terrorists don't utilize this wireless connectivity to access bomb-making instructions from the Internet? And even if they've been responsible enough to put a filter on the information available, what about all the non-savvy folk in the park who don't have firewalls? Are we to just stand by while their hard drives are violated by swarthy assailants?

Re:What about security? (4, Insightful)

Loki_1929 (550940) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760477)

Please allow me to translate for all left wondering.
Note: These are not my views, only what I'm reading between the lines of the previous poster's comments.



"What security precautions have they taken to ensure that terrorists don't utilize this wireless connectivity to access bomb-making instructions from the Internet?"

Are they spying on everyone who uses the network? If not, they should. Can't have those hackers/terrorists/pedophiles/'bad people'/etc using the network; only Good People(tm).

"And even if they've been responsible enough to put a filter on the information available,"

And even if they're 'responsible' enough to censor the information (in violation of the first amendment),

"what about all the non-savvy folk in the park who don't have firewalls?"

We need to protect people from themselves; save the children; treat all people like children - pick any of the above.

"Are we to just stand by while their hard drives are violated by swarthy assailants?"

We need to arrest all 'hackers' and those thinking about 'hacking'. We also need to force security software and anti-virus software on all users of the network regardless of whether it will cause problems for them or whether they want it or not.





Hmm.. wouldn't it be easier to shoot all the citizens instead of trying to mess with all this? That seems to be the Final Solution(tm) you're seeking here anyway.

Filters are not censorship (-1, Troll)

PhysicsGenius (565228) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760560)

The Constitution doesn't say you can read whatever you want, only that you can say whatever you want. And it only applies to Americans anyway, not illegal immigrants.

hopefully they did it right.. (1, Troll)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760347)

Block everything but port 80. unless you log in via an authentication system. I can see it becoming a giant liability as soon as one joker spams or sends his joke "threats" to whitehouse and senate officials.

It's great to offer free, I do... but I require that you prove who you are to me and give me a way of nailing your balls to the wall when you get out of line. for full access.... it's worked great, and I've only had one instance where I gladly gave the police the information about one user...(Yes, I'll rat on your arse in a second too..) and found out it was a joke by a friend of his.. but it kept my butt out of trouble.

Authenticate, and require proof of who they are before you give anything other than port 80 outgoing only.

Re:hopefully they did it right.. (1)

draziw (7737) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760417)

I'd vote for ports 22, 80 and 443 outbound. :) If I can't ssh out, or at least get to a https page - it wouldn't be as fun. :) Damn cool though.

Re:hopefully they did it right.. (2)

don_carnage (145494) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760481)

The problem with enabling SSH and HTTPS is that you loose all tracking. Privacy is a good thing until you are running a free service without accountability (as others have noted.) Of course, you could always run SSH over 80 via a proxy...Sounds like they're in for some problems.

Re:hopefully they did it right.. (2)

Bill Currie (487) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760492)

80 and 443 wouldn't be a problem (asuming the other end really is a web server:) but 22 is a can of worms. Once you create an ssh link, you can create a VPN and there goes all your blocking efforts.

Re:hopefully they did it right.. (2)

kaisyain (15013) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760629)

ssh -p 80

22 is just a number.

Re:hopefully they did it right.. (3, Insightful)

pVoid (607584) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760533)

Aw come on... you are naive.

'With some clever engineering and hardware from Cisco Systems and Intel, the wireless park was born.

Do you not think they made a system that allows triangulation of where you are, and also sends your content through Echelon-Ex v4.2?

I'm sure if you were to hack into a gov system, they'd have you pinned to the ground before you could leave the park.

I must be color blind (-1, Flamebait)

Senator_B (605588) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760349)

...and the green grass.

Gee... I must be really missing out, I've never been able to see the color of my wireless connections...

Security? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760356)

Doesnt this have security implications? If someone can anonymously access the net there is no way to trace them back...seems like the ideal camoflauge for anyone up to no good.

FRRYYY? (5, Funny)

Aexia (517457) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760363)

What does that stand for?

"Free Registration Required, Yo Yo Yo"?

Re:FRRYYY? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760375)

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, you putz.

Re:FRRYYY? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760428)

In that case it should be "YYYFRR", as in "Yo Yo Yo, free registration required, bee-atch!"

Re:FRRYYY? (2, Informative)

jfk3 (215200) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760513)

Yada Yada Yada

Re:FRRYYY? (4, Funny)

Em Emalb (452530) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760764)

the scary thing is I thought the exact same thing...then, a moment later, Oh, free reg required, yada yada yada.

Good God, Slashdot, what have you done to me?

I'm in acronym hell, and you are Satan with a pineapple!

Not registered? No problem (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760366)

Re:Not registered? GoatSe.cx! (1)

phritz (623753) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760719)

Uhhh. . . in case you're not paying attention, that URL there is

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/24/nyregion/24FEAT. html?ex=1038978000&en=5e68a294ddda428c&ei=5062&par tner=goatse.cx

Rector Park (Battery Park City) (4, Insightful)

smartin (942) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760407)

I heard that there was a nycwireless node in Rector Park, which is a little park in Battery Park City surrounded by appartment buildings. So one day a couple of weeks ago i was walking past and figured i would give it a go. Opened my ibook, fired up macstumbler and found about 2 dozen nets, 2 of which were nycwireless. I was able to connect to and use all of the ones i tried, thought the nycwireless ones by far had the best signal. I'm willing to bet that if you go and sit near enough to some upscale apartment buildings (or for that matter, live in one) you can be pretty sure of getting access for free. It seems that most people think these things are plug and play.

Sustainability? (5, Interesting)

Mannerism (188292) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760408)

NYCwireless looks like a great initiative, but I have to wonder how sustainable not-for-profit wireless networks like this are. Even if sponsorship covers the initial infrastructure (and I can see a "give 'em the network, sell 'em the network adapters" strategy perhaps working for Lucent, Cisco, et. al.), there must be a substantial ongoing operational cost. Does anyone know whether NYCwireless or any similar operations have announced their long-term strategies?

Re:Sustainability? (2)

don_carnage (145494) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760441)

Step One: Set up wireless network...
Step Two:
Step Three: Profit

Tired old joke, but it seems to be a popular business model. There are a ton of websites and services with the same idea: give away lots of free stuff with no hope of gaining a profit. Look what happened to AdCritic.

Re:Sustainability? (3, Insightful)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760615)

Most businesses have more bandwidth than they need at any given moment, so the bandwidth is practically free to them since they were going to pay for it anyway. That is, until ISPs get wise to this idea and start with TOSes that prevent this use without paying extra for it. For some businesses, like shopping malls, they might write off the cost of WiFi bandwidth as a promotion to try to get geeks to stay in the mall, and therefore not pulling their girlfriends away from their shopping.

Re:Sustainability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760670)

Good one! You had me going there right up until you said Geeks and thier Girlfriends

Re:Sustainability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760724)

actually i think you mean they will put it outside the mall to keep geeks outside and not scare away the girls who are shopping...

Re:Sustainability? (2, Informative)

EyeSavedLatin (591555) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760712)

From NYCwireless: "We are volunteer group constructing a community owned network of computers that share internet access over radio connections. Each access point is run independently by volunteers with their own equipment." So their "sustainability" plan is to try and build a community. What? A long term strategy of building a community? What? People should be allowed access to information? This concept would be idealistic and unrealistic if it were the burden of a company, but it's not. Will people try to make a profit off it it? Probably, but overall this is significant because it's a movement where costs as well as benefits are distributed. It's not a get rich quick scheme.

Finally! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760423)

Now I have a reason to go to NY :0

weed (web) services? (5, Funny)

smd4985 (203677) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760444)

this is great news. the drug dealers in the park will be especially happy - they can create a web service infrastructure with their suppliers! .NET has its first customer!!

Re:weed (web) services? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760720)

Nah all the dealers will be out of business now that crackie can get their 100% Columbian cocaine straight from Columbia

That's one degree of separation with .Net

Re:weed (web) services? (2)

fhwang (90412) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760766)

This is off-topic, but of interest: Drug dealers don't hang around in parks anymore, and technology is part of the reason. Why? Because pagers are cheap.

These days most dealers run their businesses out of their cars, not their streetcorners: You page them and they deliver to your home. (Or, um, so I've heard.) Sure beats hanging around on a street corner in the middle of the night with drugs and cash in your pocket. Some believe that this is part of the reason violent crime dropped in the mid-90s nationwide: Less crack dealers on the corner, less people trying to rob crack dealers.

The exception still seems to be Washington Square Park, which from what I've heard is still an alright place to score. I'd suspect that it's because WSP has lots of tourists and college kids who are new in town.

Sunshine and green grass? (5, Funny)

Quaoar (614366) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760458)

I don't think you're going to attract too many wireless nerds with THAT approach.

oh yes you are (1)

newsdee (629448) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760627)

Think about all those sunbathing girls that will be in need for tech support.

Doing things well will... earn you a suntan cream application rights!

Re:oh yes you are (1)

morgajel (568462) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760711)

<nerd>
nonono, that wouldn't work... you'd get your keyboard all sticky.
</nerd>

<geek> like that would change anything?</geek>

Sweet (2, Interesting)

Gary Franczyk (7387) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760459)

Now if they could set up wireless access on the beaches here in Florida, we would have something!

So that's what it's all about? (4, Funny)

coene (554338) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760460)

Free Wireless Internet in the Park, thats what its all about?

Well, at least it's not the Hokey Pokey. Thank god for small miracles.

heh (5, Funny)

Ooblek (544753) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760463)

The eight-megabytes-per-second connection was as free as the sunshine and the green grass.

They forgot to add free as the smell of dog-shit, annoying joggers, muggers, pick-pockets, mumbling homeless people, ranting homeless people, hari-krishnas, and I'm sure the occasional "hey, wanna buy a watch" guy.

Sorry, never been there, I'm sure its nice.

Don't forget the mimes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760500)

Or should that be MIME types?

Also, Ooblek, men who will ass-rape you! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760548)

not that you mind, even when they use barbed-wire cock. Or shall I say, ESPECIALLY when they use BWC

And now the Homeless... (1)

Havoc'ing (618273) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760476)

Can surf the net...and the drug dealers can do realtime ordering!!!

Airports with 802.11b? (2)

abischof (255) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760483)

Like many other Slashdotters, I'll be travelling over the weekend (DFW to PIT). And, I'll be taking my laptop along. I've heard that some airports have 802.11b, but is there a list anywhere of public locations with Wifi access?

Re:Airports with 802.11b? (1)

haa...jesus christ (576980) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760575)

not sure if this [wirelessairport.org] is an actual list, but it names members of an association that are planning to do so at least.

Re:Airports with 802.11b? (1)

Phantasmo (586700) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760725)

Well, if you lived in Canada, this site [airweb.ca] would pretty good!

There are a couple of people in Toronto offering free (lite) access - maybe I'll buy a wireless card for my laptop and check it out.

Private vs Public (4, Informative)

KarmaBitch (562896) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760485)

Amazing that this park is run by a private company and not by the city?

See company's can do nice things...
Don't bash all of them

Legalize rape Now!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760489)

Come on rape is natural. If it weren't for rape, the human race wouldn't even exist. Our ancestors didn't wait around for language and law to develop before they endeavored to pro-create. It's human nature. It's biological, it's evolutionary.

For the love of shit, we might as well make sneezing illegal.

Re:Legalize rape Now!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760590)

Sounds good, we volunteer you to be the first. Come'on, bend over.

jonkatz (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760490)

rapes little boys.

Already Done In Pittsburgh (3, Informative)

hotsauce (514237) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760498)

Pah! I am sitting in Oakland (home of U Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon) with my iBook on a free Telerama connection. Apart from Telerama (which will turn to a paid service when they have the entire city covered), the City of Pittsburgh has a free net downtown, and Telerama and others cover all major neighborhoods.

When Telerama starts charging, I'll just cancel my ISP and use them everywhere. Free would be nice, but my ISP getting me wireless access everywhere in the city is great too.

Of course, Pitt, CMU and Duquesne have their own wireless points all over for their students/staff. It's already reality in Pittsburgh, buddy.


Re:Already Done In Pittsburgh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760709)

Wow, tell me more! I want to move to Pittsburgh.

hahahahaha. You thought I was serious.

Wireless Park In Portland (5, Informative)

dailywireless (624587) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760518)

Portland, Oregon, is planning a re-designed Waterfront Park. Yesterday I sent them A Wireless Park Vision [dailywireless.org] . They liked it!

Interactive, engaging and site-specific applications are a click away. The Dialtone Symphony [flong.com] (.ram [dax.aec.at] ) is wholly produced through the choreographed ringing of people's own cell phones. Here are some other ideas:

The Public Review Draft of Portland's Waterfront Park Master Plan [portlandparks.org] is available on-line.

The Morrison Bridge [bizave.com] , in the center of Waterfront Park, has phone line access. An Orinoco 2500 [proxim.com] ($1000) could drive Wi-Fi repeaters [dailywireless.org] on the north end (near Saturday Market) and the south end, (near the Alexis Hotel), providing blanket coverage. The repeaters [dailywireless.org] could be camouflaged [dailywireless.org] as animals or Oregon historic figures [ochcom.org] . Waterfront Park also has a direct shot to the Council Crest tower [custommetalworks.com] where Winfield Wireless [winfieldwireless.com] has a wireless ISP.

Rent out Segway Scooters [segway.com] with built-in Pocket PCs. Your GPS position would trigger Oregon Historical Society's Narrated Neighborhood Tours [ohs.org] , Portland Visitor's Association's Self-Guided Tours [pova.com] , Portland Metro Maps [metro-region.org] or Lewis and Clark Maps [mapbureau.com] . Wireless cameras [dailywireless.org] could be helpful for the police, too.

Jacksonville Florida's free wireless hot spots [jaxwiz.org] provide tourist information as well as internet access. Multi-lingual kiosks, incorporating webtablets with language translation are available now. Text to speech can be output in a variety of languages. And it sounds good. Human voice samples are now incorporated into text to speech. Choose a language, respond by voice.

Parks have not caught up with the wireless society. Let's make it happen!

Peace and Quiet (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760527)

Ahh, a peaceful day in the park. Trees waving in the wind, birds singing, and geeks typing furiously.

Green. (4, Insightful)

Trusty Penfold (615679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760531)


Personally, I go to the local park to get some fresh air, look at something other than Windows and get a modicum amount of exercise.

The last thing I want to do is check my email.

In other news... (1)

writertype (541679) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760570)

A wave of laptop-jacking begins...

Who needs a park? (1)

LiquidAsphalt (627915) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760589)

Yeah the park is wireless, but inside theres no bugs or crazy people. What they need to do is make apartment building wireless and tenants just pay a fee to access and its all good.

I figure if an apartment sets up wireless and leases a T1 for the tenants, around 35 tenants sign up at $30/month, and your internet is payed for and high speed.. viva la resistance.

computerless wireless (-1)

mito (115150) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760608)

Some friends and I have a new concept for wireless that doesn't event require a computer: talking to actual live persons of the opposite sex in the street. See? No wires and lotsa communication.

Man, arent't you guys all tired of staring at your screens? At least when you go outside leave the fucking computer/pda/tablet/nerdpad behind.

Wireless Park In Portland (-1, Redundant)

dailywireless (624587) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760613)

Yesterday I submitted A Plan For A Wireless Park in Portland [dailywireless.org] . Portland is re-designing its Waterfront Park.

They liked it! I got an immediate response from the people in charge who said they'd CC the wireless ideas to everyone in the department and include it in their newsletter.

I like the idea of interactive, engaging and site-specific applications. The Dialtone Symphony [flong.com] (.ram [dax.aec.at] ) is wholly produced through the choreographed ringing of people's own cell phones. Here are some other ideas:

The Public Review Draft of Portland's Waterfront Park Master Plan [portlandparks.org] is available on-line.

The Morrison Bridge [bizave.com] , in the center of Waterfront Park, has phone line access. An Orinoco 2500 [proxim.com] ($1000) could drive Wi-Fi repeaters [dailywireless.org] on the north end (near Saturday Market) and the south end, (near the Alexis Hotel), providing blanket coverage. The repeaters [dailywireless.org] could be camouflaged [dailywireless.org] as animals or Oregon historic figures [ochcom.org] . Waterfront Park also has a direct shot to the Council Crest tower [custommetalworks.com] where Winfield Wireless [winfieldwireless.com] has a wireless ISP.

Rent out Segway Scooters [segway.com] with built-in Pocket PCs. Your GPS position would trigger Oregon Historical Society's Narrated Neighborhood Tours [ohs.org] , Portland Visitor's Association's Self-Guided Tours [pova.com] , Portland Metro Maps [metro-region.org] or Lewis and Clark Maps [mapbureau.com] . Wireless cameras [dailywireless.org] could be helpful for the police, too.

Jacksonville Florida's free wireless hot spots [jaxwiz.org] provide tourist information as well as internet access. Multi-lingual kiosks, incorporating webtablets with language translation are available now. Text to speech can be output in a variety of languages. And it sounds good. Human voice samples are now incorporated into text to speech. Choose a language, respond by voice.

Don't give up! Put some wireless ideas together and send it to your Parks Department.

Dreams DO come true!

Ads for near by businesses (1)

LiquidAsphalt (627915) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760632)

I used to work near Bryant park and there are a bunch of restaurants in the area. I bet the next push will be advertisement via the web to wireless users. Heck they could even deliver to the park for you.

I can see it now, your browsing the web and listning to some performance on the stage in NYC while the traffic flows besides you and bam an ad for Mickey Dees pops up, or heck some dude delivers food on his bike based on your order from the park. Good deal.

bad music joke (1)

newsdee (629448) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760660)

you better not run any portal servers from there or you'll get sued by "Linkin" Park!

Government Sponsored.... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4760668)

I live near the government campus of Some Country(TM), and from the parks arround, you can access many, many WiFi Nets, most of them BEHIND the firewall... You can get at so much stuff it is not funny.

A whole new meaning to "the government providing a service".

Why do I post this anonymously ? Because I can get at SO many secret things there, and SO much bandwidth, that I don't want them tightening up....

In related news (5, Funny)

stinky wizzleteats (552063) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760750)

Homeland security secretary Ridge today ordered thousands of law enforcement officers to scour the grounds of Central Park looking for a warez web server believed to be operating from a remote control car.

In other news... (4, Funny)

psyconaut (228947) | more than 11 years ago | (#4760762)

The number of people mugged for their laptops and PDAs in New York's Bryant Park has increased dramatically recently. NY Police are baffled.

-psy
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