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Russia's Role in the ISS in Trouble

chrisd posted more than 11 years ago | from the blame-lance-bass dept.

Space 360

Uhh_Duh writes "cnn.com is reporting that the Russian space program has fallen on hard times and is no longer capable of launching independent missions due to budget problems. The article touches on the fact that their annual funding is about 309 million versus the U.S. budget of 15 billion. They've also announced that they will not be meeting most of their future deliverables for the international space station." (corrected, the title originally said "IIS" instead of "ISS)

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Process of First Post Improvement (-1, Offtopic)

FirstPostRobot2 (631218) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865639)

First Post is indeed an art. But with so many artists out there... it's hard to break in, whether by sweat or by silicon.
It's not really an AI problem... it's not a matter of outwitting Slashdot, it's just a matter of being at the right place at the right time.
Meanwhile, we're getting some great suggestions in the First Post Journal. Thank you for your indulgence!

Generated by FirstPost! version 1.2.0

Commence "In Soviet Russia Jokes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865640)

This is going to be Painful

Re:Commence "In Soviet Russia Jokes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865690)

You are correct, sir. My eyes are bleeding already.

Re:Commence "In Soviet Russia Jokes (0, Offtopic)

Nevermore-Spoon (610798) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865704)

Props
on the speed at which you preemptivly caught all the Soviet jokes

MOD UP PARENT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865757)

Modding this as a troll is just wrong!!!! It's frickin hilarious!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Redundant)

Yakov Smirnov (631685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865796)

Troll mods up YOU!!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Offtopic)

gosand (234100) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865643)

Oh, wait...

Misnomer? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865669)

I think the title's wrong. Shouldn't it be "ISS", not "IIS"? /me thinks the /. editors have done too much MS-bashing to think straight.

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA... QWZX (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865707)

IN SOVIET RUSSIA the soviet Russia soviets Russia!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA all your US belong to BASE!

Russia's Role in the IIS in Trouble? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865645)

I didn't know Russia had a role in Internet Information Services :-D

((*o*)) Who cares about ISS (Sc0re:5.5) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865814)

Who cares about ISS ....
Now this is news...(but Rob won't post it cause he is busy honeymooning) ...
U.S. firms move IT overseas [com.com]
U.S. firms move IT overseas
By Ed Frauenheim Special to ZDNet News December 11, 2002, 5:07 AM PT
Under pressure from overseas rivals, U.S. companies selling information technology services have a new mantra: If you can't beat them, join them.
IT services companies are jostling to promise customers cheaper, flexible services using technology professionals in low-wage countries such as India, China and Mexico. Hewlett-Packard is the latest U.S.-based company to announce its overseas intentions. At a meeting with financial analysts last week, Ann Livermore, HP's services chief, said the company plans to relocate a major portion of its IT services work to India.
"We think customers are going to put a lot of pricing pressure on the consulting and integration market," Livermore said. "We are going to aggressively move everything we can offshore."
HP already has several thousand services employees in India. The company said it will give a more detailed version of its offshore consulting plan in January.
Last month, computer services giant Electronic Data Services announced its "Best Shore" program, promising a 40 percent increase in personnel and resources devoted to low-cost applications services centers around the world. EDS currently has 4,500 employees working out of 13 Best Shore facilities, which are located in cities such as Chennai, India; Sao Paulo, Brazil; and Wellington, New Zealand.
In addition, IBM's services wing says that for more than a year it's had what it too calls a "Best Shore" strategy. Big Blue has services centers in the low-cost countries of India, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Canada and China.
Frances Karamouzis, an analyst with market research firm Gartner, said U.S.-based IT service providers are going abroad as a response to competition from Indian technology services companies such as Infosys and Wipro. "These are ways to position their competitive offering to the Indian firms," Karamouzis said.
Those Indian businesses are faring much better than their U.S. counterparts amid the tech downturn. In the most recent two quarters, Infosys saw sales rise 26 percent, and Wipro's revenue jumped 26 percent. In contrast, EDS's revenue for the past three quarters edged up only 4 percent, and IT services provider Computer Science's sales for the past two quarters increased less than 1 percent.
Even so, Indian-based companies are siphoning off just a few drops from the U.S. IT bucket. Karamouzis estimates they take in about $6 billion per year, or less than 5 percent of U.S. IT spending. But the offshore model has gained a foothold and will grow, she predicted.
Indian companies began to take on low-profile tasks like legacy software maintenance in the early 1990s, Karamouzis said. By focusing on quality, they gained the confidence of U.S. corporations, and now they are working on more important applications, she said.
IT's passage to India Already, more than 300 of the Fortune 500 firms do business with Indian IT services companies, according to Gartner. The research firm predicts that by 2004, more than 80 percent of U.S companies will have considered using offshore IT services. In addition, more than 40 percent of U.S. corporations will have completed some type of offshore IT pilot program or will be using IT services with an overseas component by that time.
"That IT work is headed offshore is confirmed by a November report from Forrester Reseach. It estimated that the number of computer jobs moving overseas will grow from 27,171 in 2000 to 472,632 five years after that. Forrester researchers predict that other services--including call center services and back-office accounting--will follow IT operations in moving abroad."
By 2015, a total of 3.3 million U.S. jobs and $136 billion in wages will transfer offshore to countries such as India, Russia, China and the Philippines, according to Forrester.
Reasons for the shift start with lower wages. HP pegs the cost of a talented programmer in India at about $20,000 a year, a fraction of the cost of a top U.S. tech worker.
Other factors fueling the shift offshore, according to Forrester, include the emergence of low-cost high-bandwidth telecommunications links, standardized business applications and Internet-based collaborative tools.
Greater flexibility also may entice customers to prefer an offshore model or a combination of offshore and onshore services. With operations in both the United States and Asia, an IT services company can offer clients around-the-clock support--or what EDS calls a "follow the sun" capability.
Not everyone believes the U.S. IT industry is on the verge of withering away. Norm Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California at Davis, argues that the need for face-to-face interaction remains vital for programming projects. "Most U.S. firms will find that it is just not worth it to outsource software development overseas on a large scale," he said.
Gartner's Karamouzis agreed Matloff has a point, especially when it comes to software companies' core products and to applications that require a great deal of expertise in a particular industry, such as banking.
However, Indian firms typically can accomplish IT projects for U.S. clients with 90 percent to 95 percent of the work done in India, she said. She estimated that as much as 40 percent to 50 percent of U.S. IT services work could be done overseas in the next five to 10 years--raising serious concerns about the prospects for U.S. IT workers.

I know this IS /., but ... (-1, Offtopic)

burgburgburg (574866) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865830)

don't you mean ISS?

Of course, they might have had a role in the trouble with IIS, but I place most of the blame on Bill.

in IIS? (-1, Offtopic)

frenetic3 (166950) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865647)

in soviet russia... countries play roles in web servers!

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0, Redundant)

Jucius Maximus (229128) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865648)

wait a sec

uh, nevermind.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865649)

IIS is ISS!

Sorry.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Redundant)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865650)

space station pays for you!

first "IN SOVIET RUSSIA" post

Re:IN SOVIET RUSSIA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865765)

By my count, you're sixth.

Sorry, thanks for playing.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Offtopic)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865651)

The IIS Roles in trouble...

I say they should... (5, Funny)

craenor (623901) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865654)

Carry all of the boy bands into space for $100 million...then take bids on an open auction to leave them there...

Re:I say they should... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865705)

wow, a joke about a boybands. my sides are aching. seriously folks, these jokes just aren't funny. find a harder target

Re:I say they should... (5, Insightful)

rowanxmas (569908) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865786)

Carry all of the boy bands into space for $100 million...then take bids on an open auction to leave them there...

I see nothing wrong with this idea. If pop stars are willing to pay for the station, and keep our (important?) research going, then, by god let them. I would rather the boy bands pay for it than my tax dollars.

Re:I say they should... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865826)

In Soviet Russia, tax dollars pay for boy bands!

Now aren't you sad you bothered to check for replies?

They can do this cheaper (-1, Offtopic)

Mothra the III (631161) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865827)

Celestis, Inc. launches people into space for only $4800. Gene Roddenberry and Timothy Leary have already made the trip. And I for one would be willing to chip in for the cremation costs.

Re:I say they should... (3, Interesting)

SpinyNorman (33776) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865828)

Really! They should go totally commercial - build a moon station and fill it with $20M/week tourists. One the infrastructure was in place maybe they could up the volume, lower the price, and start ferrying the rest of us poor schmucks up there too.

One of my lifetime goals is to fuck in space.

WTF? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865655)

Russia's working on Internet Information Server?

IIS? (0, Funny)

DJPenguin (17736) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865656)

I'm not suprised Russia had a hand in making MSFT's web server product.

Maybe they mean ISS? Who knows? Who cares?

Oh god I've just had a premonition. We are going to have a lot of In Soviet Russia jokes aren't we...

Re:IIS? (-1, Offtopic)

DJPenguin (17736) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865709)

Offtopic? OK so now pointing out errors in article summaries on the front page is OT?

Metamod away, please :)

In Soviet Russia... (0, Offtopic)

arglesnaf (454704) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865769)

IIS makes jokes about YOU!

Re:IIS? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865867)

In Soviet Russia, In Soviet Russia jokes have you!

In Soviet Russia, the state appreciates you checking for replies.

write them off (3, Interesting)

Metaldsa (162825) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865658)

So is NASA planning on writing off Russia totally? Do they get to use the Internation Space Station later on if they get funding (economy improves, etc)?

What a maroon! (-1, Offtopic)

RealBeanDip (26604) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865659)

It's ISS you moron!

For a second there I thought my IIS server was going to start serving up "IN SOVIET RUSSIA" web pages!

Re:What a maroon! (-1, Offtopic)

Telastyn (206146) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865712)

Don't worry, it still might...

Re:What a maroon! (-1, Offtopic)

daeley (126313) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865715)

In Soviet Russia, you serve the server.

Re:What a maroon! (-1, Offtopic)

terraformer (617565) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865721)

Yeah, you'd think CmdrTaco was posting from his honeymoon hideaway...

Re:What a maroon! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865798)

In Soviet Russia, web pages serve up YOU!

*runs*

Re:What a maroon! (0, Offtopic)

Anonvmous Coward (589068) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865879)

"For a second there I thought my IIS server was going to start serving up "IN SOVIET RUSSIA" web pages!"

Error 404

The file has not found you!

If the Russians can't help with the IIS... (0, Funny)

Pastor Fluff (555255) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865660)

are they going to switch to apache instead?

Parent is redundant (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865821)

see subject

Russia is to blame for Microsoft bugs?? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865664)

...or should that heading have read ISS rather than IIS :-)

What!? (0, Redundant)

Nefrayu (601593) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865665)

Does this mean that we can no longer count on them to space the boy bands? That's really disappointing... :-(

launch another spice boy (0, Redundant)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865666)



can't they just launch another spice boy I mean nsyncer .... or at least get justn to pay his bills

typo you fool (1, Funny)

gingerTabs (532664) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865667)

I didn't realise The russians space program was so involved m$ products...

I believe we've covered this before (3, Insightful)

IWantMoreSpamPlease (571972) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865668)

Rule #1: Never never never give any critical roles to bankrupt nations.

About the dumbest thing NASA (or the US) could do, get together a bunch of nations to build/launch/maintain a space station, then give the critical parts (life support, delivery of components) responsibility to the nation than can least afford to do it.

Brilliant, the IIS was doomed from the word go.

Re:I believe we've covered this before (-1, Offtopic)

LostCluster (625375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865751)

Brilliant, the IIS was doomed from the word go.

Internet Information Server (IIS) has doomed from the get go. Can we talk about the International Space Station (ISS) in this thread instead?

Re:I believe we've covered this before (1, Insightful)

Yakov Smirnov (631685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865819)

About the dumbest thing NASA (or the US) could do, get together a bunch of nations to build/launch/maintain a space station, then give the critical parts (life support, delivery of components) responsibility to the nation than can least afford to do it.

Yes, it was better to let those rocket engineers and nuclear scientists go to some third-world country to produce a nuclear device. The ISS program is basically a way to keep Soviet engineers from doing just that.

Re:I believe we've covered this before (-1, Offtopic)

raf1hh (589023) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865838)

Hmm, isn't the US bankrupt too? Last time I checked, it has been for over 100 years....

quick show of hands... (-1, Offtopic)

Schnapple (262314) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865670)

...how many people thought Russia was being fucked by Internet Information Server?

Re:quick show of hands... (-1, Offtopic)

Fizzlewhiff (256410) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865795)

...how many people thought Russia was being fucked by Internet Information Server?

In Soviet Russia, Internet Information Server fucks YOU.

Re:quick show of hands... (-1, Offtopic)

jenns (571323) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865851)

In Soviet Russia, Internet Information Server fucks YOU.

Uh... I don't think you have to be in Soviet Russia for that...

Parent is redundant (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865858)

How many of these IIS/ISS posts are we going to see? I think I've counted about 50 so far.

Ah well (4, Interesting)

Torinaga-Sama (189890) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865674)

Their money is probably better spent feeding their people and counting their nukes at this point anyway.

IIS - ISS (1)

frieked (187664) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865679)

Funniest typo ever -Comic Book store guy

First Post!!!!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865680)

Yes!

--

I FAIL IT!

I am a disgrace to first post. This is not first post, this is a FAILURE.

Re:First Post!!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865773)

In Soviet Russia, it fails you!

in soviet russia (-1, Offtopic)

anonymous coword (615639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865684)

the IIS is in trouble with YOU

IIS? (-1)

Yakov Smirnoff (631649) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865689)

In Soviet Russia, Internet Information Services and International Space Station the same thing!

Don't you mean ISS? (0, Redundant)

trubble (247626) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865692)

IIS is the frequently maligned Internet Information Server from Microsoft. I think you meant ISS: International Space Station.

Re:Don't you mean ISS? (2)

chrisd (1457) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865791)

Only on slashdot would that not look like a typo.....my bad. Sorry.

has fallen on hard times ? (5, Interesting)

thoolie (442789) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865700)

"has fallen on hard times "

I think the Russian Space Program has had hard times since the collapse of the USSR. Just my .02$

They changed my title (5, Informative)

Uhh_Duh (125375) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865706)


I hate it when slashdot changes the title of the story and makes ME look like a bafoon!! I submitted it as "Russia's Space Program in Trouble".

I've been framed as a spelling idiot!

Re:They changed my title (2)

MrEd (60684) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865728)

Sucker!


Should've made it into a k5 story [kuro5hin.org] instead. ;)

Re:They changed my title (2, Funny)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865748)

What's a bafoon?

Do you mean buffoon?

You are a spelling idiot. Self-fullfilling prophecy?

They finally shot IIS into space? Good riddance! (1, Offtopic)

mkweise (629582) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865708)

When will Windows follow?

Metaduplication? (1)

DoNotTauntHappyFunBa (592447) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865714)

I was going to look for the last time something along these lines was posted (geez it must have been in the last 14 days), but I am afraid it will be modded as redundant by the time I can find it and put it up. I think we need some metaduplication to handle this.

Re:Metaduplication? (1)

DoNotTauntHappyFunBa (592447) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865889)

Here [slashdot.org] it is. 14 days exactly!

Disturbing (0, Troll)

zmalone (542264) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865719)

This article's comments may set a new low for shitty "In SOVIET RUSSIA" posts. I count 5 or 6 in the first 10 posts. I hope that everyone can get this shit out of their systems now.

Of the remaining posts, nearly all of them comment on the IIS/ISS mix up. I would imagine that the few that slip through the cracks will be the shitty meta-posts like this one.

Does the soviet Russia thing bother anyone else? I suppose soviet USSR, or communist USSR could work, but soviet Russia?

In Soviet USSR (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865822)

Soviet Russia bothers YOU!

SOVIET RUSSIA, n. (1, Insightful)

DoNotTauntHappyFunBa (592447) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865825)

"soviet USSR" would be redundant, as Soviet is the first "S" (or the middle "C" in CCCP).

I take "Soviet Russia" as the combination of a place and a time. "Russia between the years 1917 and 1992, more or less" or perhaps "Russia during the second half of the 20th century (the cold war years)"

Re:Disturbing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865865)

You only added that 3rd line so you wouldn't be totally offtopic. The first 2 lines of your post point out known bullshit.

Tourists (3, Interesting)

selderrr (523988) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865720)

I guess that this will louden the cry for billionaire space tourism. IMHO the russians should make that stuff their top priority !

Let the russians handle the tourist part, let the yanks handle the military sillyness and we europeans will do the real stuff :-)

typos (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865724)

Anyone ever wonder if they make these typos on purpose just to what kind of witty responses we can come up with?

How is this different (-1, Offtopic)

redfiche (621966) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865727)

from this [slashdot.org] story? I was sure we had used up all possible IN SOVIET RUSSIA jokes there.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA... (-1, Redundant)

Yakov Smirnov (631685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865736)

Hard times all on YOU!!

paging Yakov Smirnoff (-1, Offtopic)

sib888 (94158) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865741)

He's just about due for a comeback, or dead.

Re:paging Yakov Smirnoff (1, Offtopic)

jonerik (308303) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865842)

[...]or dead.

I thought he had a theatre in Branson. Which is far worse than death.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1, Redundant)

Yakov Smirnov (631685) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865848)

Comebacks happen to YOU!!

Time to dump the space station anyway (5, Interesting)

Mothra the III (631161) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865743)

The space program has become ridiculous, between failed attempts to launch boy bands into space and new projects like virtual planets http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=96&ncid =96&e=1&u=/space/20021210/sc_space/cyber_planets__ building_virtual_worlds_to_explore_signs_of_real_l ife it seems to have drifted far from actual space exploration. If they ever want public support for government dollars, they need to start looking at sending someone to Mars, or at least back to the moon,

If they don't pay up... (5, Funny)

esanbock (513790) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865754)

We better tell the Soviet Russians that if they don't pay up, all their space base are belong to us.

Please try to keep posts on topic.

http://slashdotIndia.org is coming soon... :o) (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865756)

Who cares about RPG Codex....
Now this is news...
(but Rob won't post it cause he is busy honeymooning) ...
U.S. firms move IT overseas [com.com]
U.S. firms move IT overseas
By Ed Frauenheim Special to ZDNet News December 11, 2002, 5:07 AM PT
Under pressure from overseas rivals, U.S. companies selling information technology services have a new mantra: If you can't beat them, join them.
IT services companies are jostling to promise customers cheaper, flexible services using technology professionals in low-wage countries such as India, China and Mexico. Hewlett-Packard is the latest U.S.-based company to announce its overseas intentions. At a meeting with financial analysts last week, Ann Livermore, HP's services chief, said the company plans to relocate a major portion of its IT services work to India.
"We think customers are going to put a lot of pricing pressure on the consulting and integration market," Livermore said. "We are going to aggressively move everything we can offshore."
HP already has several thousand services employees in India. The company said it will give a more detailed version of its offshore consulting plan in January.
Last month, computer services giant Electronic Data Services announced its "Best Shore" program, promising a 40 percent increase in personnel and resources devoted to low-cost applications services centers around the world. EDS currently has 4,500 employees working out of 13 Best Shore facilities, which are located in cities such as Chennai, India; Sao Paulo, Brazil; and Wellington, New Zealand.
In addition, IBM's services wing says that for more than a year it's had what it too calls a "Best Shore" strategy. Big Blue has services centers in the low-cost countries of India, Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, Canada and China.
Frances Karamouzis, an analyst with market research firm Gartner, said U.S.-based IT service providers are going abroad as a response to competition from Indian technology services companies such as Infosys and Wipro. "These are ways to position their competitive offering to the Indian firms," Karamouzis said.
Those Indian businesses are faring much better than their U.S. counterparts amid the tech downturn. In the most recent two quarters, Infosys saw sales rise 26 percent, and Wipro's revenue jumped 26 percent. In contrast, EDS's revenue for the past three quarters edged up only 4 percent, and IT services provider Computer Science's sales for the past two quarters increased less than 1 percent.
Even so, Indian-based companies are siphoning off just a few drops from the U.S. IT bucket. Karamouzis estimates they take in about $6 billion per year, or less than 5 percent of U.S. IT spending. But the offshore model has gained a foothold and will grow, she predicted.
Indian companies began to take on low-profile tasks like legacy software maintenance in the early 1990s, Karamouzis said. By focusing on quality, they gained the confidence of U.S. corporations, and now they are working on more important applications, she said.
IT's passage to India Already, more than 300 of the Fortune 500 firms do business with Indian IT services companies, according to Gartner. The research firm predicts that by 2004, more than 80 percent of U.S companies will have considered using offshore IT services. In addition, more than 40 percent of U.S. corporations will have completed some type of offshore IT pilot program or will be using IT services with an overseas component by that time.
"That IT work is headed offshore is confirmed by a November report from Forrester Reseach. It estimated that the number of computer jobs moving overseas will grow from 27,171 in 2000 to 472,632 five years after that. Forrester researchers predict that other services--including call center services and back-office accounting--will follow IT operations in moving abroad."
By 2015, a total of 3.3 million U.S. jobs and $136 billion in wages will transfer offshore to countries such as India, Russia, China and the Philippines, according to Forrester.
Reasons for the shift start with lower wages. HP pegs the cost of a talented programmer in India at about $20,000 a year, a fraction of the cost of a top U.S. tech worker.
Other factors fueling the shift offshore, according to Forrester, include the emergence of low-cost high-bandwidth telecommunications links, standardized business applications and Internet-based collaborative tools.
Greater flexibility also may entice customers to prefer an offshore model or a combination of offshore and onshore services. With operations in both the United States and Asia, an IT services company can offer clients around-the-clock support--or what EDS calls a "follow the sun" capability.
Not everyone believes the U.S. IT industry is on the verge of withering away. Norm Matloff, a computer science professor at the University of California at Davis, argues that the need for face-to-face interaction remains vital for programming projects. "Most U.S. firms will find that it is just not worth it to outsource software development overseas on a large scale," he said.
Gartner's Karamouzis agreed Matloff has a point, especially when it comes to software companies' core products and to applications that require a great deal of expertise in a particular industry, such as banking.
However, Indian firms typically can accomplish IT projects for U.S. clients with 90 percent to 95 percent of the work done in India, she said. She estimated that as much as 40 percent to 50 percent of U.S. IT services work could be done overseas in the next five to 10 years--raising serious concerns about the prospects for U.S. IT workers.

In the ISS (-1, Offtopic)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865758)

Soviet Russia can't get to YOU!

Ah HA! Thank you ladies and gentlemens!

/me dances off stage

The US now rules space (4, Interesting)

Nefrayu (601593) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865770)

So aside from all the typos and joking, does anyone else have an opinion on the fact that the US is now THE power in space? Although the article mentions India spending $500 mil on space, it doesn't come close to our spending or our expertise. Personally I think it's a good thing. Space is the next military battleground, or so it is said. So what are your thoughts?

Problems from the Beginning (5, Interesting)

WatertonMan (550706) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865772)

The whole way that NASA has run the Space Station program and the Mars program have been dismall. On the one hand the public doesn't really give a damn about science, so if NASA pursued fairly cheap science projects with a good return, they'd dry up quickly. At the same time though the space station is a solution in search of a problem - and one that is VERY expensive.

To a degree all of this was just to help keep Soviet scientists around in Russia and not heading to the mid-east to develop nasty weapons. Further the military clearly had motives in keeping the Space Shuttle running. However now the Russians can't do much and haven't been able to move into commercial projects. Even in NASA the shuttles are wearing out with no replacements on the horizon.

The big question is whether all of these problems are a good thing or a bad thing. When you consider the BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of dollars spent on all this, one can ask what the return has been. (Say it in a Carl Sagan voice) There are plenty of good scientific projects. Further R&D on making space flight cheaper is a big deal. But space research itself needs to be seriously rethought.

Money Dependence (5, Insightful)

PeekabooCaribou (544905) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865775)

The global dependence on money is appalling and ridiculous. Money as motivation will only bring the human race so far, and probably in the wrong direction. What happens now, when such a major player in the space race is forced to resign because they cannot secure enough meaningless currency to further scientific research in space? It is a terrible waste of human potential.

Future generations will look at us as petty and shortsighted, squandering finite resources we have no claim to with regards only to our own instant gratification. That is, if there are any resources left for the human race to survive on after a few hundred years.

Cynical? Not me. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to drive my SUV through a red light while talking on a cell phone.

Re:Money Dependence (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865883)

Sorry, for a moment there I thought I read it as "Monkey" Dependence. Said to self, "Are they still sending those poor things up there? No wonder..."

what? (-1, Offtopic)

painehope (580569) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865793)

now Microsoft is blaming Russia?

In Soviet Russia... (2, Redundant)

ocie (6659) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865794)

IIS crashes you.

Oops, that is ISS.

In Soviet Russia (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865802)

trolls moderate you!

You can't stop Yakov [yakov.com] , you can only hope to contain him.

Mistake (2, Insightful)

Wyatt Earp (1029) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865803)

It was a mistake to have Russia as a "partner".

NASA/USAF should have bought thier technology outright like LockMart did with the advanced trans-sonic S/VTOL Yak-41.

Trouble (2, Interesting)

KKin8or (633073) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865811)

Russia seems to be having all sorts of problems these days. I saw a blurb on CNN [cnn.com] the other day about a Russian rocket failing to make orbit and falling back into the atmosphere, destroying the satellite it was carrying. I feel like we hear about something like this in Russia every few months lately. But it makes me wonder-- does the US have this kind of problem (maybe not NASA, but commercial satellites going up, or military stuff), and the media just doesn't make a big deal of it?

Here's a topic for you: (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865820)

The International Space Station is now neither International nor a Space Station. Discuss amongst yourselves.

Lameness Filter (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865834)


Who votes for adding the phrase "In Soviet Russia" to the lameness filter? Sheesh, it's old already.

In CAPITALIST AMERICA (1, Offtopic)

Nefrayu (601593) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865850)

In Captitalist America I'd charge you per post for all the "In Soviet Russia" messages I just had to wade through...

Re:In CAPITALIST AMERICA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 11 years ago | (#4865880)

Captitalist... that's funny.

Reminds me of the old engineer joke... (4, Funny)

Zog The Undeniable (632031) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865860)

The Russians may have budget problems, but...

An American astronaut in space in 1970 was asked by a reporter, "How do you feel?"

"How would you feel," the astronaut replied, "if you were stuck here, on top of 20,000 parts, each one supplied by the lowest engineering bidder?"

15 biilion for Nasa monopoly--- (1)

linuxislandsucks (461335) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865861)

15 billion for Nasa monopoly

Russian engineers starving --pricelss..brought to you by the Father son tag team of BUSH!

Sadly, I no longer need to imagine (2, Offtopic)

teamhasnoi (554944) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865871)

what a Beowulf cluster of "In Soviet Russia" posts would look like.

Title now corrected (0)

anonymous coword (615639) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865875)

Now you can mod those stupid iis jokes down as -1, redundant!

it should be done by now (2, Interesting)

xmnemonic (603000) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865877)

Originally (according to a 1998 issue of Popular Science), the ISS was to be completed by 2003.

Corrected... (2)

Quixadhal (45024) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865885)

Ah, and here I was wondering since I'm sure IIS *does* have a 15 billion dollar budget...

Honestly... (2, Funny)

lonedfx (80583) | more than 11 years ago | (#4865893)

When has Russia's role NOT been in trouble as a partner in ISS ? Honestly I'm waiting for the news that'll say :

Russia's Role in ISS no longer in trouble!

Now THAT will be news.

lone, dfx.

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